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business all right everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
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crime [Music] jaleek's grandparents Barbara and her husband Dennis Smith well they publicly
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called out their son-in-law Stephen in a capital News nine piece Barbara said quote I believe that Stephen is the
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only one who knows what happened to jalik on November 1st and I do believe he harmed
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him she elaborated that earlier in 2007 Jocelyn asked Stephen to leave the home because she was afraid he would harm the
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children according to Barbara Stephen had anger management issues and had been going to
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counseling for them they were so bad that Jocelyn had made him move out of the family home for
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brief periods this twice in 2007 because of aggressive behavior towards the children
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and after the stream incident that we talked about yesterday Jocelyn forced Stephen to pen a letter
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of apology to jalik for this and made him do the child's chores for one month Barbara and Dennis enthusiastically
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helped Elaine persons found the find jalique task force getting Billboards erected holding vigils and organizing
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volunteer searches those searches continued weekly even after police scaled back their official
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searches for jalik this in May of 2008. and also in May of 2008 Barbara petitioned the court to assign custody
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of jalik over to her so that she could more actively pursue legal Avenues to locating him such as obtaining medical
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records and contacting homeless shelters on his behalf she said she also wanted to ensure that
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the boy had a safe and stable home to come back to in the event that he was still alive
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a Warren County Judge ruled against her in July Jeffrey McMorris he's the attorney for
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the parents said of her request quote the grandmother here was just worried about
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her own publicity and quote this lawyer is as big of a dirt bag as the father is
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at least he's getting paid to do so the the father's just being a dirtbag well no no he was he's getting paid too he's
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getting paid by the state that's true so they're both paid dirt bags continuing with July 2008 here Captain the Albany
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Times Union reported that jaleek's grandmother the one that we were just praising
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was arrested and charged with second-degree burglary this is based on a complaint from Jocelyn and Stephen
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apparently Barbara entered the unlocked Raven Way house this is where they were living and used
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a flashlight to do a little snooping a little poking around if you will remember Stephen and Jocelyn were no
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longer living there at this time they had already moved off to Vermont a neighbor reported that someone was in
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the house you know you can you've seen this in the movies the all the lights are out it's supposed
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to be dark over at the neighbor's home oh no you can see someone walking around with a flashlight in there so the
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neighbor reported someone was in the house and since her entry technically was unauthorized by the owners Barbara
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was facing charges for this she did plea not guilty in court in a court proceeding which took place on July 15th
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I think more interesting than her arrest is what could she have possibly found in
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the house or what was she looking for well and whatever she would have found they would have they probably wouldn't
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have been admissible in the court of law well what we do have is shortly after this burglary and then I don't think
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this is any coincidence at all the police executed a search warrant on the home good well look here's a couple
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things I applaud what she's trying to do I also applaud that she has no problem throwing
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her son-in-law under the bus he doesn't seem to be cooperative he doesn't seem to give a [ __ ]
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you claim that this boy went missing on his own accord and you move none of this
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stuff makes any sense you're ripping down posters of this kid you are not Cooperative with police you are
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caught lying over and over you're still collecting money for a kid that you're not taking care of
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you you basically tried to kill this kid by Drowning him this is not a good dude
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and I applaud the effort by turning on him and throwing him under the bus but at the same time we're not looking for a
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missing person anymore we're we should be looking for a body if the father is responsible which it just makes the most
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sense The Logical connection he's not responsible for the kid going missing he's responsible for the kid's death
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and we need to be looking for a dead body what the police was looking for with their search warrant was one item
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of Interest this was reported to be a piece of clothing that they stated that Barbara saw
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while she was inside that home this was a bright yellow fleece pullover the one jalik was said to have been wearing when
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he disappeared the same one that Searchers were looking for as they scanned the woods fields and waterways
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usually that's one of the things that they're really pointing out here with in regards to the searches when you're
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looking for someone it's very helpful when you're able to tell them tell the Searchers hey he or she was last seen
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wearing this bright red sweater right or this bright yellow fleece pullover something that's easy to spot so you can
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move and clear land and keep going well this fleece that they were told he was last wearing was found by Barbara in
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the home and then later by police after they executed the search warrant turns out obviously this thing was in the
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house this whole time what's this more proof that they're Liars it's odd too that it was even left
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behind when they moved right like it this it seems like an oversight because wouldn't this be
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something you would try to get rid of if you realized after the fact oh this happens to still be here and I told
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everybody this is what he was wearing I don't think these are good people I think these individuals try to use the
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system well if we adopt these kids we're gonna get set fifteen hundred dollars a
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month as a stipend we're not going to really clothe these kids or take care of these kids we're not even going to try
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to pay for electricity or have Heating in the house and so to me it's not an oversight that's just what kind of
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people these people are they're lazy pieces of [ __ ] that don't want to work that don't want you know that don't want
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to care for people that they're going out of their way to take responsibility of these kids but they don't even want
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to take care of those kids they just want the stipend therefore they don't have to work as hard
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it also kind of reminds you of the Dior Coons case where they found an article of clothing in
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their home that he was supposedly wearing when last seen at the campsite yeah the police did submit this fleece
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for testing I don't know what really came of it there's not been much said about it
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since it was located right we did have this weird voice analysis thing and we've seen this in some other cases and
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this was brought in and gone about because remember Steven would not agree to the polygraph test so some people
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said you know you can use data using data to determine whether he was lying or not with this voice analysis stuff
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right so remember there was that strange interview that Stephen and Jocelyn gave
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to news 10. this was almost immediately after jaleek disappeared all right the one where they didn't really answer a
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bunch of questions correct well at the request of this fine julique task force that has been formed Texas equiseearch
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brought in two leading voice analysis experts to use a method called layered voice analysis which measures changes in
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voice frequency to detect truthfulness and analyze the interview audio voice analysis expert and private
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investigator TJ Ward said quote I have dealt with family members and this is not the way family members react to
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someone missing not at all end quote okay but what do you make of this bringing in this expert
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does it doesn't seem like a huge waste of time to you we already have evidence that this guy is a liar so why spend any
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more time on the fact that he's not truthful well you're grasping for straws here is what you're doing it's
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it's you know it's the task force bringing in these experts via Texas equiseearch what do you think it's in
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some way shape or form like well we know he's lying we know we've caught him lying multiple times right is this their
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way of if we bring them these experts and maybe they state that he's lying maybe that puts a little more uh heat on
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the fire a little more flame um a little more pressure on him to possibly come forward it's an
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interesting tactic because it's not the police bringing in these experts right and it probably didn't cost them
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anything to do this work and to publicly state that they are doing this work really you're as you stated turn up the
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heat a little bit shake some trees see what falls out maybe he maybe does feel the pressure
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and he goes and he talks to police I mean at some point in these investigations when you really feel like
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you have the person or know the person to be responsible for whatever act it is or misdeeds that it were done
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if you got nothing on him you got nothing on them right but you still have them there in the spotlight and they can
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react they can make mistakes we've seen this alleged and I want to be clear about that alleged behavior and actions
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of this man that don't seem to be well thought out or well planned and we've seen talk of him flying off
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the handle maybe you turn up the heat and he does something dumb right well he is dumb Barbara and Elaine uh
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angelique's other Advocates prayed that these type of things would bring charges
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against Stephen Curry but we have to keep in mind just like polygraphs this layered voice analysis the results of
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these are not admissible in court articles noting the one year anniversary of jaleek's disappearance stated that
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police were still meeting regularly to discuss the case and share any leads or tips that might have come in but the
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optimism was really fading around this one year anniversary I was just going to say they need to be doing searches
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around his father's cabin where they were at that night and then the cabin that they lived in with cadaver dogs
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and and I don't know if that has been done but those are the searches that need to be done they they were doing
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that early on within within the first hours and days of the boy having gone missing but the problem with all this is
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this is an area where there's a lot of wooded area right so it's a lot of ground cover yeah they did
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a five mile radius search with the assistance of many different agencies including the
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forest rangers the state forest rangers so around this first year anniversary we
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have Chief Bell who states that at this point there was really little that they could do they being the police other
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than investigate leads that were coming in and wait for a break in the case because they've kind of exhausted
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everything by this point the investigation he said had cost a fortune to that date putting the police
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department well over their budget the missing persons flyer issued they issued a new one around the same time
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Forge a leak by the state division of Criminal Justice Services it was updated at this time to reflect
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that jalik had not run away but had disappeared under unknown circumstances as for the parents the lawyer issued a
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statement saying that they continued to quote pray he is safe and will return home soon do
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you think the mother just doesn't know I think that if the mother knows what happened
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the only way she knows what happened is if she was told I don't think she witnessed anything firsthand or was a
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part of anything in regards to the first 24 hours or 48 Hours of the boy being missing right 18 months I agree uh into
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this thing roughly May 13 2009 police and state forest rangers searched the banks of the Baton kill
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River this is an area well it's it's an area that is called the hell hole and it's described as a swirling
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bulge in the river water cadaver dogs hit near this location and police were aware that Steve and kerr was very
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familiar with the area sounds like a lovely place oh because he's a [ __ ] bag that goes with hell hole right well the
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family would camp in this area and had been known to do so hey kids let's go at the old hell
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nothing was found in this search of the banks uh Chief Bell said we continue to get tips
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uh the interest has not died off we still want to find jalique this is all per news 10. and about a year and four
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months later investigators returned to this area again this time with State Police dive Crews on hand the water
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level of the Battenkill River fluctuated especially in the quote-unquote hell hole and it was often unsafe for divers
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quote it's a dangerous place to dive there is metal and rebar and other stuff down there said Chief Bell this is per
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the Times Union the chief described the site as a Gorge at the bottom of a hydroelectric Dam
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which leads to a Whirlpool a New York State Police spokesperson said that the dive team searched that specific area
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because of its proximity to a hydro electric Dam because of the water pressure created by
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the dam anything in the water there is pushed down into a very small area so I mean this sounded like a perfect spot
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to hide something to hide a body maybe the search unfortunately was fruitless or fortunately was fruitless
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in 2009 a hunter walking in the woods near Lake desolation in Northern Saratoga county
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found skull fragments on the ground it was determined that they were in fact human
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and they were deemed to be the remains of a child estimated to be 10 to possibly 12 years old
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it looks like at the time in 2009 Captain there were six missing persons cases in the area that would meet
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or could meet this criteria right law enforcement officials they jumped all over this of course and jaleek was one
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of the possible six missing persons that they thought it could be fortunately it
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was not him and some of their estimates were wrong with their findings it turned
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out that the skull was the remains of a 18 year old girl from Colorado her name Jennifer Hammond
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who went missing in August of 2003. in March of 2010 police released an aged enhanced
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portrait of jalique they had been prepared by the national Center for missing and exploited children
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police held a press conference announcing the release of this photo to the media Chief Bell said quote
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I'm hoping this might spark some interest in the parents to come forward it's two and a half years later and they
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act like this never happened they need to reach out and be cooperative with law enforcement end quote one thing I will
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really really want to commend Chief Bell and others that do stuff like this again
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we we have a situation where we look at it from afar and we can say it really points to two possible outcomes yeah
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maybe the boy ran away but we have evidence that the father is being less than truthful and is not
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being cooperative with police and by his own admission in everybody else's account as well he's the last one to
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have seen the boy one he has also temper issues and he can be violent so if the boy didn't run away this is your
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responsible person your responsible party right and one thing that I love about Chief Bell is anytime they have
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any reason to go to the media at all he's circling the wagons and saying hey we're putting out this information one
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for the public to help us out but two because we want the parents this is this is in efforts to get the parents to
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cooperate with us to talk with us to help us out now Captain we need to introduce
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somebody named Scott Thorpe age 37 okay and his involvement or non-involvement in this case I don't
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know how you want to look at it but he's certainly in my opinion a big part of the story because in April of 2010 Scott
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Thorpe kidnapped a man who owed him money for drugs he beat the guy up and showed him a
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photo of what appeared to be a dead body along with jaleek's missing persons flyer
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he told the guy that he beat up that he had killed the kid and he would do the same to this guy if he didn't pay up on
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his debts then he and his goons dumped this kidnap victim off in Kingsbury right a body in
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one of the photos is said to have some resemblance to jaleek and the victim was told that it was in
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fact jalik this is all per an investigator this was reported in the Times Union paper
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they said that police recovered all of these photos during a search of Scott Thorpe's house
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apparently this guy he fled the area he went down to Florida and was on the run for a while until the U.S Marshals
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caught up with him and arrested him in late June of 2010. douche On The Run yeah to use on the Run Thorpe was of
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course locked up and charged with the attempted murder and kidnapping and he was extradited back to Washington County
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where at that time he was being held for an eventual trial on the charges now investigators at the center for missing
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and exploited children examined these photographs that were found in Thorpe's possession at his home
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and specifically the one that was thought to be jaleek their final ruling Captain was that it was not julique in
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that photo unfortunately any of the information out there to the public does not address who
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it was in the photograph or my thoughts maybe it was a doctored photo that it wasn't anything right like
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what Scott Thorpe was telling us it would be the good news is we know that whatever it was in that photo dead body
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or not it's not our missing boy Julie all right foreign [Music] foreign [Music] we are back cheers everybody thanks for
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joining us what a frustrating case frustrating indeed cheers to all the people up front
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people in the back come on spend up spend up I think I think you're just getting excited because you're heading
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off on your vacation I'm gonna upset everybody before he's been drinking oh heavily all right Captain Captain we
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mentioned the national Center for missing and exploited children several times throughout this case we've
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mentioned them on the show dozens of times before not because not just because they've been involved in other
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cases we've covered but also because we've encouraged people to seek them out and maybe offer up a little bit of
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donation be it money or time because they are doing fantastic work they are working they're damnedest to bring
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children home now in this case they've continued to support law enforcement and continue to help in the investigation
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in the search for jalique rainwalker we mentioned that the national Center for missing and exploited children created
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an age progression photo of jaleek but in 2012 that organization took on a larger role representatives of the ncmec
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or Nick Meck as John Douglas likes to call it came to Washington County to undertake the daunting task of reviewing
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the investigation and all of the evidence compiled by four one two three four law enforcement agencies that
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investigated this case not not only are you good at computer you're good at counting I can also go 4321 in the
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opposite direction the Knick Mac report turned out to be 80 Pages it was an 80 page report that was eventually released
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to law enforcement investigators said that it opened up a few leads that would be pursued after working with the ncmec
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in late 2012 the Cambridge Greenwich Police finally changed the classification of jaleek's case
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this is something you were pointing out and you've been you've been pounding the
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desk and pounding the table and saying this is what we need to be doing here they changed the classification of
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Julie's case from a missing child to a probable child homicide yeah at a December 2012 press conference
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Chief Bell made the announcement that jalik was the victim of a quote probable child homicide not a runaway State
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Police Major Crimes unit backed this up investigators acknowledged that they had
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exhausted all leads in the case although they insisted that it was not a Cold Case at the press conference Grandma
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Barbara and her husband both spoke about how painful it was to continue to have hope every day that jaleek was still
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alive and yet to have no answers for all this time a plea was made to the public to help
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find the missing boy authorities also requested that the media stopped disseminating the
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old National Center for missing and exploited children's age progressed photos of jalik and the organization
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took them off of their website this is weird right because earlier we are condemning the father for tearing down
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the posters of the the prayer vigil and saying any publicity is good publicity but here we have law enforcement tearing
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down their own photos and telling people to tear up the old age progression photos that we sent out they're doing
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this because what they're saying at the time is all they are getting from these age progression photos
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are false leads right they're spinning their tires they're out Chasing Ghosts well we see that a lot of times with
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missing person cases even people that we know people that were close to authors that have gone up to other countries and
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showed people pictures of a girl and and they get these leads and you think oh my
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God it's going to be solved it's people misremember people want to see things that they
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didn't see they want to help people are mostly good-natured people that want to help and uh they'll try to give you some
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information that creates like you said a false lead well and also what you have here too is I I think is it's really
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underlining what they believe it's really putting the exclamation mark on hey we no longer believe that we're looking
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for a missing child yeah it's sad and although at this press conference there was nobody would
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actually come out well Chief Bell did not actually come out and name any suspects but he did say
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quote certain people have been eliminated and certain people have not yeah he said flat out that the police
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have not received any cooperation from Stephen and Jocelyn and he pleaded with them to come in and sit down with him
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the grandparents on the other hand well they did not mince words they said if you did nothing wrong and
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you have nothing to hide why don't you cooperate with law enforcement to find your son these were the words of Dennis
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Smith in response to the press conference Stephen and Jocelyn released the following statement oh they released
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another note yeah well this is their this is the way this is their third note in the case that they're releasing well
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their statement they they have a rebuttal or it at least it's not a no comment thing I I don't know what to
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make of this you could take it either way either let's hear it either condemn them for dodging the media or
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condemn them for releasing a statement I don't know what to make of it but they said despite everything that law
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enforcement has had to say we know that he is out there meaning jalik and will return to us someday
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we pray that the reclassification of the case will not result in the lessening of
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efforts to bring jalik home to his family the statement also expressed objections to the discontinued use of
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the age progression photo arguing that people needed to know who to look out for this is a statement one half of the
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parties that provided this statement was a man that was tearing down posters for a vigil at one time yeah
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I mean I don't know if they know how big of piles of [ __ ] they are of people this Jocelyn
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that's the key to it all right is Jocelyn is what I think I think she now knows I think she might not have known before
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but I think it may be a temper tantrum and one of his little rages that he slipped up
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or maybe there was some evidence that he left behind because he's a lazy pile of
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[ __ ] and he slipped up now she knows and now she's either scared and she feels like she has to protect
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her children and other adopted child or or she's also afraid if she goes to police that they're not going to be able
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to protect her possibly or what is he going to do because we know he's a known liar how much is he
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going to throw her under the bus will he try to blame her for everything that has happened
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these are are individuals that the kid goes missing and they've done nothing everything they've done every step that
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they've taken is to muddy the waters and to me that's all that's all the proof we need
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we're not you're not going to get anywhere unless you find his body but again I think in these circumstances
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it's like you know that that's finding a needle on the haystack unless somebody comes
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forward and says I know what happened and I know some details and I could lead you to an area that could be easier
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searched I think but this this son of a [ __ ] ain't going to come forward and say [ __ ]
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so maybe one day it's going to wear on her more and more because these are her parents that are coming
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out saying you guys are awful people right and if you had nothing to do with this be cooperative with the police the
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these are her her parents that is going to wear on her and grind on her and it should
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it should wear on you and whatever God or whatever you think you pray to that [ __ ] ain't gonna help you and when you
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get to the other side you're just going to burn in hell for all your sins that's
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what I think I don't I don't know that they're trying to muddy the waters it their actions to me look more like
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pretend the water doesn't exist I mean it's right from the get-go right from Jump Street Grandma's over at the house
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and she's saying they're acting like nothing happened they're like they're more concerned about a doctor's
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appointment and going to a birthday party and should they feed me some breakfast it's it's like as soon as he
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was gone regardless of how he was gone right even if the kid ran away there was no there
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was no almost even no mention of it to her like like they they called her and told her this is what's going on she
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shows up wants to help and they're they're concerned with other things and it's been that way since the the minute
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that it happened yeah but hold on that's that's what I'm saying though it's kind
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of weird because it is both happening at the same time it's back to Forrest Gump
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it's both happening at the same time yes acting like nothing happened completely but also oh by the way we
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found this note that suggests that he ran away now I might have gave him that as a
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homework assignment but I I can't remember that but he probably ran away now let's act like nothing happened and
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let's do that for a time period okay now things are getting a little hot in the kitchen here's some other random note
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that is typed saying that he's alive or he's fine I I believe wholehearted or wholeheartedly that they're responsible
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for that note and so yes I agree with you there's there's a definitely there's these
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moments of let's just act like this kid never existed right but I think there are these times where they're they're
00:36:28
throwing wrenches in you know into the keys to muddy the water in regards to the anonymous letter
00:36:36
that shows up to Media I don't know man that's just a weird thing it's it you could see it being the
00:36:44
parents because they chose to send it to the media I could also see it being just
00:36:48
a complete hoax yeah I mean we have the attorney saying hey there's there's stuff in there that only jaleek
00:36:55
would know that doesn't mean anything that's that man's opportunity in uh and the parents opportunity to say see
00:37:05
we told you so even even if they didn't mail it they go oh we got lucky some some weirdo decided to mail in an
00:37:12
anonymous letter to the newspaper I would like to talk to a major newspaper and ask him how many Anonymous weirdo
00:37:19
letters do they get on the rag right like is what's what do you put the what do you put the Mark at the quota is is
00:37:26
it somewhere a couple a couple a week yeah one once a week I would imagine back in the day that was it was more
00:37:32
often but in late 2013 what was interesting here is that rumors started to swirl that there was an arrest in
00:37:40
this case that was going to be happening and soon but Chief Bell said that there
00:37:47
was no truth to these reports so we got all excited and worked up for nothing yeah half chub you know what seemed to
00:37:54
spawn these rumors was the current Washington County D.A announced on the anniversary of jaleek's disappearance
00:38:02
they he believed a prosecution for jalik's murder could go forward he didn't name anyone but reading
00:38:11
between the lines here this likely meant that he believed that there was sufficient evidence evidence to bring
00:38:17
charges against Stephen Kerr now it's important to note that this public statement was issued in the middle of a
00:38:25
bid for re-election which the D.A did not win the current one did not win so when the new D.A took
00:38:32
over his office reviewed the police investigative file for the case but did not proceed with any prosecution citing
00:38:41
Double Jeopardy as the reason that the no body murder case should be put on hold until the evidence was Rock Solid
00:38:49
in the case then in 2018 the case well received a terrible blow we had uh the man who had headed up the
00:38:59
investigation from the beginning the man who refused to let the case die the man
00:39:04
who never gave up on finding jalik Chief George Bell very sadly he passed away suddenly in March of
00:39:13
2018. according to the Times Union in his 39-year law enforcement career Chief Bill had never missed a day of work
00:39:26
39 years work in law enforcement Chief Bell never missed a day of work he had been having flu-like symptoms
00:39:35
leading up to this and he died of a heart attack after leaving a hospital in Bennington Vermont
00:39:43
in 2019 an article in The Post Star says jaleek's disappearance spawned one of the most in-depth investigations by a
00:39:54
local state and federal officials in Washington County in decades and even after 13 years a group of investigators
00:40:03
continued to work on the case according to the same publication Washington County district attorney Tony Jordan's
00:40:11
office has been reviewing the evidence police amassed which was turned over to his office in the spring of 2018 shortly
00:40:20
before Belle's death they are cautiously assessing the material in the file with an eye toward
00:40:27
possible prosecution this here is another bizarre thing in this case here Captain you gotta wonder
00:40:35
how strong is any of this evidence how strong is any of this case what do they have what could they
00:40:42
possibly have is it a case where it's just minus the body right and once we find that boom we're
00:40:50
moving forward with charges so this guy should be on the edge of his seat at all
00:40:54
times he should be very afraid because we are one piece away from convicting this guy and putting him away for a very
00:41:01
long time or is this posturing to try to get this dude to make a mistake but again he's pretending as nothing has
00:41:09
happened I think there's a lot of stuff out there in the open against the son of
00:41:15
a [ __ ] so what do they have behind closed doors let's say it's equal to now we got a pretty strong case but that we
00:41:23
always know that they're weak cases if you don't have a body so let's focus on that
00:41:29
find the body once you find the body then you can bring this bastard to trial and you can spend the rest of his life
00:41:36
Behind Bars and once you figure out that his wife knew about it she could spend the rest of her life behind bars as well
00:41:45
see I don't know that I share that same opinion I don't know that I believe that
00:41:49
Jocelyn is convinced that Stephen did something and I say that because her actions
00:41:57
before the boy went missing were to protect the children in the house she even complained to others her
00:42:06
mom and other people that Stephen wasn't behaving or parenting the way that she wished that he would right so for me I
00:42:16
kind of look at it and go I I really wonder if she truly felt that he had done something that all the other
00:42:24
children are potentially in danger as well now we would know based off of the ages
00:42:31
that we listed earlier that here in 2020 all of these kids would be adults now they would be young adults but they
00:42:40
would be adults but still you would have a period of over 10 years to be concerned that he
00:42:48
could do something to one of these other children and I always like to to rely on the
00:42:55
previous actions of of an individual will usually lead you to what their future future actions and behavior will
00:43:02
be and that's what we saw on the outside looking in before in regards to Jocelyn
00:43:09
I'm not so naive to believe that she doesn't maybe at some level suspect something
00:43:15
but what I truly think is going on here is one of two situations well I shouldn't say that because here I
00:43:23
go here I go narrowing myself to two situations when immediately a third popped into mine let's say and you've
00:43:30
been hinting at this a little bit along the way and I can can agree with this a little bit there is a chance that
00:43:37
there's something so much more horrible under the surface going on that that never reached any of
00:43:46
the public never reached anybody that knew these people that there's just some really bad horrible stuff going on and
00:43:52
it had been going on for a very long time there is always that small possibility
00:43:58
that that is a truth however where I lean with this case and I'm going to go a little glass half full
00:44:05
and a little glass half empty at the same time okay why are we laughing I don't even
00:44:14
know what that means well you will when I finish my thought so where I'm going with this is one of two things I think
00:44:20
is probably likely here either a jalique did run away and his adoptive father was
00:44:32
kind enough and concerned enough please hear the sarcasm in my voice to give him
00:44:38
enough time and opportunity to get as far away as possible so that he could not find the boy and nobody else could
00:44:46
find him and return him to the household if that did not happen I feel like he's convinced his wife that
00:44:54
that's what happened all right so do you want to know what I think sure I think we all know what I think so we don't
00:45:03
have to go over it right well this the you know that I I think he's responsible I think she knows or or like you said
00:45:13
there's something maybe it's it's the way he told the story one time maybe it's her finding the jacket that he
00:45:21
claimed that that he would he would have been in when they're looking for the kid
00:45:26
I think there's something in her deep down and her gut that's telling her this guy murdered a child
00:45:37
and I've been supporting him again maybe also in a sense if I'm here that I can protect my
00:45:45
children but um but it might not be a confirmed knowledge but I think I'd be really interested to see what
00:45:55
they have behind closed doors what evidence that they have that hasn't been shown to the public
00:46:01
and but I think it's really going to take finding a body in order to bring the charges against this individual that
00:46:10
need to be brought against him yeah and I think you're hitting on something really interesting there Captain because
00:46:15
there's a lot of gray area and there's a lot of what we do not know about Steven's cell phone that they were
00:46:24
tracking that night we know that they were tracking it okay we know that they believe he was out driving that gold
00:46:31
minivan around that night I have to believe with all these swirling rumor rumors that they keep
00:46:40
going back to time and time again every so often that we have evidence to prosecute we might an arrest might be
00:46:49
happening soon I wonder if they have more information that's based around that cell phone and
00:46:56
based around activity that they know took place with that gold van that night and here is a statement from a former
00:47:04
State Police investigator who's now retired and he was involved in this investigation for six years or so and he
00:47:16
said that there was significant he used the word significant significant evidence in the case that has not been
00:47:23
revealed publicly and he went on to say that the national Center for missing and
00:47:29
exploited children when they reviewed the case years earlier that we reported on uh in this episode he said they
00:47:36
deemed it to be quote prosecution ready so you have to wonder yes are they just looking for that one final piece now
00:47:46
this is a case that that more than just as much as any case out there but more so than than a lot of them needs
00:47:56
the Public's help we need information from the public and if anybody knows anything at all in
00:48:05
regards to their suspicions about Stephen their suspicions about where Julie could be or what could have
00:48:11
happened to this young boy then they need to come forward it's been too long and report this and point law
00:48:20
enforcement in the right direction please again anybody with information they're asking that you contact either
00:48:28
the New York State Major Crimes unit or the national Center for missing and exploited children and we'll have those
00:48:36
numbers posted for you on our website at truecrime garage.com on the blog for jalique rainwalker's case
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