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[Music] yesterday Captain we reviewed a horrific murder a double homicide two people
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killed by two different people and what seemed to be an open and shut case but turns out not everyone was satisfied
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with the resolution of Donna's case some were skeptical of Mark's story and this because they knew Donna and
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saying that some stuff just didn't add up the main skeptic was Donna's father cash Brown
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cash said from the start he didn't feel things were right for example he said he
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observed on a walk with Mark after the funeral that Mark wasn't crying when they discussed what happened to Donna
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another thing that was odd was that Donna was usually very cautious she would not have left the front door
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unlocked he says and she certainly never would have let Roger Harrington who she
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was afraid of into her home but still Maybe it was simple maybe she was distracted
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we know she's a new mother maybe she's exhausted and had forgotten to lock the door maybe Mark forgot to lock the door
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maybe it was just bad luck or like you said law enforcement thought maybe Harrington tried to force himself into
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the home my issue with that problem is why wouldn't she start screaming at that point because she knew her husband was
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in the house and as you so astutely pointed out yesterday the coffee cup and the cigarettes that belonged to Roger
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Harrington are found inside the Winger's home yeah so it's what could you hold my
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coffee cup while I pushed my way into your home well let me grab your Hammer while I'm at it so her father cash he
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shares his feelings with Donna's sister and her friend these two decided hey we're gonna do a little test so one of
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them went to the basement got on the treadmill at Donna's house and the other one fell loudly onto the floor in the
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dining room upstairs the woman on the the treadmill says she could not hear anything over the sound of the treadmill
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so either Mark has really good hearing you know he's got like dog hearing or maybe the thud was extra loud that Mark
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heard and Donna's mom and stepdad we we need to point out Mark has plenty of support
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some of this coming from Donna's mother and her stepfather who not only supported him as far as
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they were concerned and publicly said so Mark was almost as much of a victim as Donna was but there was also someone
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else who was a little suspicious of Mark Winger this is detective Doug Williamson
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he didn't believe a word coming out of Mark's mouth he felt that there was some elements of
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Roger Harrington's behavior that didn't quite mesh with the story being told by Mark now for one thing he had parked his
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car right in front of the Winger home on the wrong side of the street facing oncoming traffic not exactly stealth
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mode the beat up sedan stuck out like a sore thumb in the residential neighborhood right also a crowbar and a
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knife were found in his car and we pointed out yesterday well he didn't exactly bring the murder weapon
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to the home with him but he had some things that could be considered weapons in his vehicle well In fairness who's
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carrying his car a cup of coffee and a pack of cigarettes a man's only got so many arms then there was the meeting
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with Mark Winger that we kind of left off with in yesterday's episode this is what Roger Harrington's
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roommates had mentioned that they were under the impression or Roger told them that Mark called and
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asked him to come to the home right not that he was showing up there unannounced or unknown to the Wingers
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the roommates were pretty convinced that Roger was convinced or at least told them a story that convinced them that he
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was asked by Mark Winger to be at the home well we have Harrington's car as evidence like you said there's a knife
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there's a crowbar but there's also a note with the Winger's address and a Time yeah if I was going to commit a murder
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maybe you have the address but you wouldn't have you want to mark down the time to me the time determines that he
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was supposed to have a meeting with them right in the front seat on the front seat of Roger Harrington's vehicle
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written on a piece of paper in pen we had the Winger's name and address in the time 430 but also listening to that
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9-1-1 call we've done so many cases where there's 9-1-1 calls where the person is so
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frantic to me that's almost playing up yes it's a dramatic situation but this call sounds so frantic
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and I never like it when the person disconnects the call even though Mark Winger is going to call back to 9-1-1
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but he basically I have to get my kid you know well you don't need to hang up you can you can stay on the line I'm
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going to put the phone down real quick I got to grab my kid Detective Williams said that Mark never told them about any
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kind of meeting with Roger Harrington remember he was told that Roger Harrington was called that morning and
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warned to stay away from the house and stay away from the Winger family so something's not right here Captain
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something doesn't seem to be all together yeah again that 4 30 time on the Note doesn't go with Mark Winger's story so
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initially detective Cox was not skeptical and it was in agreement with labeling it
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as a Justified homicide and closing the case Roger Harrington's Sister Barbara Howell
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later said that when she tried to talk to detective Cox to tell him her brother was not capable of murder and that
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something didn't add up she said that the detective was dismissive eventually detective Cox he would come
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around and this is because his partner Williamson wasn't having any of it in fact he petitioned his superiors to let
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him and detective Cox continue to investigate and initially was told flat out no well again and and the
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detective's defense you also have a few things already that are showing you some
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red flags and that maybe there needs to be a further investigation and like you stated yesterday the investigation was
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only three days long well and some of this stuff almost seems like Mark is calling the investigation
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into question himself because later what we have is at some point mark asked the
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detectives if he can have his gun back and even though the case was closed and the files were put away the
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investigators are working other cases Mark he shows up at the police department and he's asking about the
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progress of the investigation which is a little bizarre right he wanted to know how the case was going
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and at the time the case was closed they had already publicly closed the case so
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detective Cox is saying as far as I was concerned he would have just accepted it that the
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case was closed so this seems to be like a major mistake on Mark's behalf here we have a closed case but he's asking
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how the investigation is going oh yes how bizarre how bizarre yeah that's Stranger Than a dress on a donkey four
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months after Donna's death Mark filed a lawsuit against Bart Transportation the company that employed Roger Harrington
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he alleged that Bart was negligent in the hiring process in the hiring of the driver that the company should have
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known he was dangerous and unfit for the job Mark was seeking damages from the company for the wrongful death of his
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wife right the result of this lawsuit was effectively what would reopen the case yeah because
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what happens here is you're suing that company but if that company has an insurance company then the insurance
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company is going to do a thorough investigation because they don't want to pay out the money Mark was hoping that
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the police evidence of Harrington's guilt would help his case for the damages that he
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was seeking and that's not what happened at all so we have the transportation company they hire attorneys and they
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start to prepare to defend this lawsuit and as a matter of course requested and received the police documents in the
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case the incident report the crime scene analysis reports the interviews all of it and they began to notice that this
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case was not as open and shut as everyone had assumed Bart's lawyers dug in and started
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sifting through all of the information asking questions the detectives worked with them eager to
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have the opportunity to revisit this case but because by this point Williamson was skeptical he's now got
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Cox to turn and be skeptical as well these detectives are going yeah we don't think that this was right that we got
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this right in the beginning they're happy that someone else is agreeing that Mark might be Shady so
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Roger Harrington's family they got themselves a lawyer as well oh yeah and like we were talking about before
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Harrington yes has some mental issues and might have some outbursts of uh violence but
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that's a big difference between trying to go somewhere and grabbing a hammer and bludging somebody to death in
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February of 1999 so remember she was killed in 95. a woman named Deanne Schultz was deposed by the BART Transportation
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attorneys in the civil case she was someone that was previously interviewed by police this is because
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she was Donna's best friend there is even video footage available of her holding baby Bailey and sitting next to
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Donna on a couch she was one of the people who told investigators about Mark and Donna's marriage and it being a
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great marriage but this time under oath in the deposition four years later she's
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telling a very different story about Mark and Donna's relationship Deanne said that in 1995 her and Mark were
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having an affair and he had talked to her about killing his wife Deanne told the detectives that Mark
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said things to her like we could be together if Donna just died and saying theoretically it would be great if he
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were to go out of town and maybe Deanne found Donna's body on the night before I'm sorry on the day
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before the murder Mark said he was working to get the van driver in his house so even referring to Roger Harrington by
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name then on the day of the shooting and Donna's murder Mark asked her will you love me no matter what my
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answer is no all of this of course is super suspicious obviously yeah but not exactly evidence of a Murder
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Mark said to her I think they believe me I did it for us she didn't want to ask what he meant like he's dropping all
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these hints to her she doesn't want to ask him what he meant he warned her to tell no one of their
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Affair or that their gooses would be cooked that they both would be in trouble well look on top of that you
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have a man now you're suspicious of him murdering his wife and murdering this innocent bystander
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and using him as a pawn you have to be fearful of your safety that he what what's going to stop him
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from doing it to you exactly and she says you know I didn't know exactly what all of this meant at the time part of me
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wanted to think that he was just talking crazy but what the police do they end up
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finding a paper trail to back up Deanne Schultz story to confirm the affair well
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yeah because so it goes a little bit deeper I mean she for the last few years was having a
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lot of mental issues and having severe depression because this is a lot to hold in
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and on top of that you had a relationship with this man he's saying to you hey well if my wife is dead then
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we'll be together well now he doesn't want to be with you and she ended up telling the doctor all
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this stuff beforehand so to and once she started telling people the truth it really started kind of setting her
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free from the depression and all that stuff the police they tracked down phone records and hotel records again this is
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four years later after after the death they tracked down phone records and hotel records this backing up her side
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of the story her version of the story and what they found was that the affair apparently began about a month before
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Donna's death and continued for several months after until Mark Winger broke it off broke off the relationship well
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right because when she comes forward and starts talking with the police the police run this by Mark Winger and he's
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going ah she's you know she's not telling you the truth I don't think he denied that they had a
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relationship but I think he was denying many parts of it so what the police do now that they have their Inn they decide
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let's bring in a seasoned famous crime scene analyst this person's name is Thomas bevel to
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retroactively investigate the crime scene and the evidence and later he concludes that Donna's
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death was most likely a staged domestic homicide in which Mark Winger Lord Roger
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Harrington to the home to kill him and frame him for Donna's murder so let's go through how bevel came to
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this conclusion and the evidence that backs up this conclusion he says that none of Donna's blood was found on Roger
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Harrington if he had really been beating her to death on the head with seven lethal blows
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from a hammer there would have been blood spatter all over Roger Harrington yeah instead there was
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a long blood spatter cast off stain on Mark Winger's sleeve the initial gunshot to Roger's head was
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inconsistent with Mark's story about the shooting him in the face there was no blood trail from Roger Harrington's head
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wound to where Donna lay which there would have been if Roger Harrington had really been beating Donna
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when Mark shot him blood spatter showed that Donna was attacked in a location in
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the home different than where Mark described her being attacked by Harrington this was the um
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the hallway she was running toward the door and the Clincher was the positions of
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Roger and Donna's bodies this completely undercut the story that Mark told the detectives at the time the three
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Polaroids remember they were taken by an officer at the scene they were looked at and showed the
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bodies in place at the crime scene this before EMTs removed them to take them to
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the hospital to try to save their lives these Polaroids showed that the body placement did not line up again with
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Mark's tail Roger Harrington's head and feet were lying opposite to what Mark said happened if Market shot him as he
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stood up from Donna he would have fallen backwards off of Donna which is what marks it happen well the
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other problem too is there was two separate pulls of blood coming from Harrington's head
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which would make sense with the eyewitness saying that there was a shot and then a five minute Gap in another
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shot yeah I'm I'm getting to that there Captain but the point here of the body positions was that Roger was found lying
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facing oh sorry Roger was found lying face up 180 degrees in the other direction with his feet facing the same
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way as Donna's so he would have had to have flipped in the air to end up like that if Mark was telling the truth and
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you're exactly right there was those two distinct blood poles that showed that Roger had been turned over before he was
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shot a second time something never mentioned by Mark yeah the biggest piece of evidence and you haven't got to it
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yet so I don't want to step on your toes but he yes you were talking about Mark having blood spatter on his arm okay but
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you could also maybe argue that away a little bit because at some point he's holding his wife as she's dying you
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would expect to see blood smears from someone holding a a bloody person you would not see Blood cast off spatter
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cast off right but I'm saying one maybe a a a good defense attorney might be able to argue that on some level
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or say well maybe Mark was a little bit closer to her during closer to his wife than he thought he was during the attack
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but my biggest issue my biggest red flag is you're holding your wife you would lay her down gently
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but look at those crime scene photos she was laying face down who would do that oh I'm holding you oh uh now the the
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paramedics are here let me just dump you down on your face well with all of this
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information and the new information coming from the the new crime scene expert retroactively reinvestigating the case
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now we have the detectives who are going to continue to work the case in conjunction with the state attorney's
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office and by this point the BART attorneys the transportation company their attorneys were also working with
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police and so we got everybody kind of now working against this one time considered
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hero yeah we call that a double whammy and everybody's now saying look this guy we believe murdered his own wife and
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then tried to set this Roger Harrington guy up and killed him in the process to cover everything up So eventually
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we have uh we already have Roger Harrington's family who was involved in in trying to
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clear his name but Mark is going to drop the lawsuit against Bart but it's too late at this point the
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damage is done he's already kind of opened everyone's eyes as to what probably happened here well yeah and in
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law enforcement we'll tell you this is a misstep he was he was getting greedy with
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trying to get money for his wife's death and that again you can drop the lawsuit
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but if I was the head of that Transportation Company okay you dropped the lawsuit I'm going
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to have my team that I've already paid a bunch of money to finish their investigation
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[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] we're back cheers everybody you can't
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even save yourself that's right well Captain all of this leads up to eventually the grand jury is going to indict Mark
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Winger on charges of first-degree murder but this doesn't take place until August
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of 2001 and remember Donna was killed in 95 Roger Harrington killed in 95 and so
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a lot of time has passed and in that time Mark gets remarried he goes on to have three more children he's married to
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his child's Nanny and he's living a normal life other than this case being reopened and
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reinvestigated and you know he's seemingly this this good family man I just don't understand how
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these [ __ ] bags get so many women I mean this guy looks like a penis wearing glasses needless to say even though he's
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charged we have Mark who decides to plea not guilty the bond was set at 10 million dollars
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in his case at the trial the prosecution presented all of the evidence that tended to suggest Roger Harrington's
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innocence and Mark's guilt they showed the Polaroids and the note in the car crime scene experts testified about the
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positioning of the bodies detectives testified about the lack of forced entry Deanne
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testified about the affair and the suggestive things Mark was saying to her and Roger Harrington's family testified
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that he was not known to be violent they didn't believe him to uh be capable of murder now Mark's defense will point out
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that the evidence was the same now as it was back then back when you said this was a justifiable homicide nothing's
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changed and they tried to paint Roger Harrington as an unstable mental case whose Behavior like parking outside and
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stalking Donna was erratic and unpredictable so you can't really make logical assumptions based off of his
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movements or his actions I mean this is a very difficult case for law enforcement because at the time of the
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9-1-1 call you have Mark Winger saying I shot and killed a man so he's not denying that he
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didn't kill that person so to me the the Crux of all this is to prove that Mark actually killed his wife
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well and you have the defense who's going to of course try to undermine deanne's testimony which I think is some
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of the the biggest and worst testimony against Mark in this game yeah not so much for
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the affair but the comments that he was making like you said uh if my wife was dead we could be together
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or if I could just get this van driver into the house yeah I think when you see it and you have this woman testifying to
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both the affair and these actions it gets really difficult to explain that that away or look past any of that yeah
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it's almost an indirect confession but the the defense of course is going to say hey This Woman's unstable we can't
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believe what she's saying but what we will find out of course the jury did in fact believe her especially when you
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compound that with all of the other evidence in this case the crime scene evidence well yeah again you you have
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this person that's basically telling you he indirectly confessed the forensic evidence doesn't lie
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so that is just confirming her story really doesn't lie but it seemed to have been ignored the first time the it only
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took the jury 13 hours of deliberation to find Mark Winger guilty on both counts of murder
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on August 1st 2002 Mark Winger was sentenced to life in prison with no parole for the murder of Donna and Roger
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Harrington right his appeal was rejected he has never acknowledged his guilt or showed any sign of remorse in fact five
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months into his sentence he gave an interview with 48 hours in which he maintained his innocence but if you tell
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yourself a lie over and over then maybe you start believing it yeah he did admit
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to the affair but uh did not admit to the the murder he says that he was a good husband to Donna he made a mistake
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he's human it was a stupid thing and it was wrong as for Roger Harrington the picture the police had initially gotten
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of him turned out to have been somewhat exaggerated his former wife once accused
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him of domestic battery it appears that um his friends and family said that he was a sweet and kind
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individual he was helpful he was someone who rounded up baby clothes for for a friend
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who didn't have much money he was in fact diagnosed as depressed and delusional and sometimes suicidal and he
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did spend time in a psychiatric ward it appears to be maybe even twice treated at a local mental health
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facility but none of these doctors ever deemed him to be a threat to anyone else but
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himself right in any case if anyone had any doubts that remained about Mark's guilt even after his conviction well
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that's going to be completely eradicated in uh 2005 he tried to hire a fellow Pontiac Correctional Center
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prisoner to carry out some murders for him yeah again huh how bizarre how bizarre and
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they know this because the prisoner went and approached investigators and had plenty of information to back it up so
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the general story here Captain is that Mark tried to hire this guy this is 44 year old convicted murderer Terry Hubble
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to hire a hitman to kill some people for him so it's you know the middleman we need
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to get a middleman let's get let's get one bad dude here to find some other bad dude to who did he want dead oh he
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wanted a bunch of people dead so Mark was willing to hire through Terry Hubble Hitman to take out Mark's childhood
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friend this is Jeffrey Gelman Jeffrey was a wealthy successful real estate developer from Florida Mark was upset
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with him because Mark asked him to pay his one million dollar bail to which Jeffrey gellman refused although the
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problem with pain is bail is this guy is a Flight Risk if he's willing to try to
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murder two individuals and then try to Stage IT where he is the hero you can't this guy can't be trusted yeah
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you're not putting up a million dollars of your own money to get some guy out that likely killed two people I mean
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Mark is a real [ __ ] bag so what what Mark wanted done was he he wanted a Hitman to
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kidnap his childhood friend this Jeffrey Gilman who was very wealthy and he wanted him to to hold
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Jeffrey for ransom what they were going to do is have the kidnapper threaten to harm Jeffrey's family unless Jeffrey
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paid up the money and then after Jeffrey pays up the money he wanted the Hitman to kill Jeffrey and his family anyway
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the other thing he was willing to pay for was that he wanted his the the number one witness against him Deanne
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Schultz the woman that he had the affair with he wanted her to be killed as well but
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he wanted her to you know you you find her and you force her to write a letter saying that she lied right you force her
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to record make a recording of a statement of her saying that she lied that Mark Winger
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had nothing to do with Donna's death and that she had made the whole thing up and
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then make it look like a suicide so Mark is not only trying to hire someone to kill a bunch of people he's also trying
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to make it so that he will get a new trial and possibly get out of prison that if Deanna Schultz story changes
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maybe everybody looks at this evidence a little bit different yeah maybe so maybe
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if you get an appeal that you could argue well she recanted her story so she's recanting the indirect confession
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but what I said before what backs up that indirect confession is the forensic evidence Mark also wanted the Hitman to
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take care of his ex-father-in-law as well and apparently this was just because he did not like him so what we
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have here as evidence from Terry Hubble to back up this statement is that Mark wrote out 19 pages of
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instructions right it's written out for hire a a murder For Hire document there's a great article that you you can
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look up I'm not going to go into the the whole thing here but there's a great article if you want to look further uh
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by Chris ditro from June 2007 from the Benton news but basically Captain what this is is it's 19 Pages detailing how
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he wanted everything to play out it's a very long version like this kind of reminds me of of a movie moment here and
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red dragon you have the the communication between Hannibal the cannibal Lecter and the
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Tooth Fairy Francis Dollarhide where the police where the FBI discover communication between the two
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and we have Lecter telling Francis Dollarhide Graham home Marathon Florida save yourself Kill Them All I mean this
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is 19 pages of this guy saying I want this person this person this person and their family
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killed and I'm willing to pay you for it I guess a big chunk of that money would
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be from The Ransom that they would collect from taking this Jeffrey Gelman hostage in threatening his family and
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then killing him anyway yeah and all I have to say about Mark is hey Mark use a piece of [ __ ] a gigantic flaming
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pile of [ __ ] real quick here Captain this uh convicted killer Terry Hubble he's so he's kind of an interesting
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story himself because he was already in prison some for some other charges when in 1991 he was indicted by a grand jury
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for the murder of a 14 year old this is Angel Greenwood she died from head injuries all the way back in July of
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1983 they were able to indict him and charge and convict him all of those years later so now you have here a guy
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that's murdered a child another guy who's been convicted of murdering Roger Harrington and murdering his own wife
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Donna Winger you got both of them telling two very different stories to investigators one
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killer telling on the other Killer Hey this guy's trying to hire me to find somebody to kill all these other people
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for him and here's some paperwork to back it up what you have here though is you have Mark Winger the the flip side
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of that the reverse of that is Mark Winger saying look I'm locked up I'm locked up for the rest of my life I
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these are just simply fantasies that I wrote down these are fantasies that I was writing that I was you know
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journaling and this guy got a hold of them somehow and now he's trying to benefit from it
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so this thing goes to court and there is a battle and we said how quickly the jury deliberated in his his murder trial
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against Roger Harrington and his wife Donna Winger it was even shorter deliberation for this trial I think they
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were only they only took a break to discuss this for about three hours and I think in the
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course of that they had lunch as well and so they end up finding Mark guilty of trying to hire someone to kill all of
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these people and when you think about it well you said what 19 Pages yeah that's
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a that's a lot of evidence to try to argue away his defense will argue that Terry Hubble did in fact benefit
00:37:02
from throwing mark under the bus which he did I mean he got sent off to a different
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prison which was a much more relaxed environment the state even paid him three thousand dollars three thousand
00:37:15
and some odd dollars uh for his assistance in this conviction but to me it just I mean I was really
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Blown Away by just how evil and cold this Mark Winger is I mean to to think about think about the
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situation he basically gets handed he basically gets handed on a silver platter a situation that he was
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looking for he was looking for a way to take out his wife and then all of a sudden Roger
00:37:51
Harrington comes along and they have this crazy drive back to her home these phone calls start coming into the home
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and this guy's getting all happy he's getting excited he's like not only did this fall right into my lap yeah but I
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have there's documentation in my wife Donna has gone out of her way and spoke to her family and her friends about her
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being afraid of this guy and this guy calling our house and he's harassing us if I can just get him back to the house
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I can Hammer my wife to death and then turn the gun on this guy and put him over by the body and boom open and shut
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case my wife is dead this guy killed her and I'm the hero everybody feels sad for
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me that I mean that is completely diabolical and then you have just a handful of years later
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he's looking to hire somebody to take out a whole family of people from some guy that just he grew up with that he
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knew that's not willing to put up Fork over a million dollars to let him out of jail while he waits for his trial and he
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wants to kill his father-in-law step his wife's stepfather just because he doesn't like him and then kill the woman
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that he once had an affair with I mean that's a long list of people ironically and I say it ironically
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because he's not this monster looking dude that is out praying for victims he does look like a
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penis with glasses though out trolling the streets looking for victims but he is every bit as evil as some of those
00:39:28
guys that we've talked about BTK Ted Bundy this guy is is one of the most evil individuals that we have discussed
00:39:37
on the show and I don't know if it's a huge red flag because again it's a 9-1-1 call so if you take it at face value he
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is calling about this horrific scene that's playing out in front of him but when he says
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there's a bullet in him and Harrington and then they find two as much as investigators got this right
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in the end and forensic science got this right in the end it's a shame that they
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didn't wave those red flags sooner and that they didn't dive deeper into the evidence to collect
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that and because look they could have said look there's a bunch of red flags here but we still kind of
00:40:21
you know if we have to lean one way we still think that he's possibly innocent and then
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when another piece of evidence comes out and you dive back into the case or you have to reopen that case
00:40:34
you could see all the red flags staring right at you but it's a it's almost like
00:40:39
they were just too quick to solve the case and move on well I I can agree with some of that I don't know
00:40:47
if it was too quick I think maybe some of it it looked like what they were being told and what they thought they
00:40:52
were seeing one thing that we haven't touched on yet and it's a little interesting tidbit here in regard to the
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neighbor the ear witness who says I heard a gunshot and then it was minutes and minutes later until I heard a second
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gunshot and you're exactly right Captain we have Mark Winger on the phone to 9-1-1 and says a bullet in his head
00:41:14
and then they show up and this guy's shot twice well what investigators believe went down is that we know both
00:41:22
the victims Deborah Winger and Roger Harrington were still barely clinging to life when EMTs arrive on the scene
00:41:31
but what they believe happen now is that when Mark says to the 9-1-1 operator I've got to go my baby screaming my
00:41:39
baby's crying is that he actually heard Roger Harrington who was was again we know he was still alive but he
00:41:47
was a little too alive right at that point that he hears Roger Harrington either trying to get up or making noise
00:41:54
and he knows I've already alerted the police and EMT to get here pronto I need to make sure that he's dead that
00:42:02
everybody's dead before they show up because these two are going to have a much different story to tell when police
00:42:07
are here right and you can actually hear on the 9-1-1 call you can hear Harrington moaning so they believed that
00:42:17
he got off the phone and didn't go 10 to the baby right away or go over to his wife right away that he went over and
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that's when the second shot was fired into Roger Harrington here's one weird thing here too Captain
00:42:31
uh to kind of close this out a bit the the judge ends up giving Mark Winger an additional 35 years on
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top of his already life sentence that for the murder For Hire plot right because he he got a life sentence with
00:42:49
no possibility of parole correct correct and then what we have is the you know this guy he won't go away this wasn't
00:42:57
the last time that we would hear from Mark because in 2009 he ended up suing the prison that he was housed in and he
00:43:06
was suing some of the administration there alleging that they were not allowing him to exercise
00:43:12
outside of his cell saying that this was cruel and unusual punishment this is a guy that's murdered two people and was
00:43:19
happy and hoping to murder a bunch more uh he had been restricted to his cell for a year after this murder For Hire
00:43:30
plot and he said that being confined in a small space was not enough room for any
00:43:36
type of physical activity which was giving him panic attacks and anxiety so you know I don't think anybody's feeling
00:43:43
bad for Mark Winger eventually though we'll all be happy to know that that case was very quickly dismissed
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colonel my good buddy my good pal two heavy recommended reading this week yes we do our beautiful Captain this week we
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are recommending tears of Rage by John Walsh from grieving father to Crusader for justice
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the untold story of Adam Walsh case True Crime readers know John Wall she has several great books out there and True
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Crime Watchers know John Walsh from his time with America's Most Wanted this is one of his books but this is the one
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that features the Adam Walsh case the murder and Abduction of his child check out tears of Rage by the great John
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Walsh you can find that great title and many more on our website truecrimegarage.com just click on the
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recommended page and until next week be good be kind and don't live foreign [Music]