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[Music] crime September 7th 1996 Las Vegas Nevada this was supposed to be a big day in sports a
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lot of people a lot of celebrities they had made their way to Vegas to see the big boxing match this is Bruce Seldon
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vers Mike Tyson build as the championship part two MH Bruce Seldon was the WBA heavyweight champ Champion
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he had a record of 33 and3 and Iron Mike Tyson just three fights removed from his
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time in prison won all three fights in his previous fight he had just captured the WBC heavyweight title Tyson's record
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are very impressive 44-1 of course the big fight was broadcast live on pay-per-view and the fight was held at
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the MGM Grand in beautiful Las Vegas and I can't remember if I actually watched this fight but any child of the 90s um
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you would know your your father would get the Tyson fights and they'd last about like a minute and then your father
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would be yelling cuz they they paid all this money to watch a a minute long fight well unfortunately the big fight
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was really a much to do about nothing because Tyson mopped the floor with the guy right Tyson knocked Seldon down
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twice both times connecting with a powerful left hook and Tyson won by way of knockout in the first round in just 1
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minute 49 seconds making it one of the shortest championship fights in boxing history in attendance that night as we
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said were plenty of celebrities you know Vegas is only about an hour and a half long flight from Los Angeles yeah four
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four hour five hour drive from La as well so of course we have Tupac Shakur was present and he was there with Death
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Row Record CEO sh Knight and their Entourage of friends family and business associates well after the fight this is
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sometime between 8:30 and 900 p.m. someone in Tupac sug Knight's Entourage a guy by the name of Trayvon he spots
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this dude Orlando Anderson nicknamed baby Lane we'll just call him Orlando but Orlando is 21 years old and he's a
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member of the well I believe it's the a member of the Southside Crips well this is no good because they had beef MH
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apparently Orlando and some of his [ __ ] buddies had robbed someone in the Foot
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Locker store earlier that year year uh it sounds like this person who was robbed was was with Tupac and Suge in
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Vegas that night so that guy uh Trayvon he points out to or he points out Orlando to Suge and Pac and this is not
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going to end too well for Orlando no no this is going to end about as good for Orlando as it does for Seldon in the
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boxing match Tupac led the attack he ran up and he hit Orlando uh Suge and the rest joined in they took Orlando to the
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ground pretty quickly uh kicking him while he was down uh Tupac in the death row guys uh they had their own security
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with them there that night well and you can if you YouTube this you can actually
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find the fight online uh not the actual Tyson fight but the fight afterwards with Tupac you can find that on YouTube
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mhm yeah it was caught on surveillance camera that night well one of the private security uh for the death row
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guys he pretty quickly pulled Tupac from the fight and if you if you watch the surveillance footage this all happens
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very quickly you can kind of see Pac run up and appear to hit the guy and then you see this like just this crowd of I'm
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guessing Entourage people that that follow in very quickly behind and I'm just going to throw this out there
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because I've I've seen this multiple times as far as conspiracy theories go a lot of people think that it's actually
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not Tupac in the video that the size and the build of Tupac is disproportionate to actually what Tupac was um I think as
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as far as like the police reports of this incident and the security reports that happened it's pretty clear that
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Tupac was there also there is some speculation that he was wearing a bulletproof vest at the time as Tupac
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was known to wear a bulletproof vest multiple times there's also a rumor that uh shite that now I can't find this
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myself I've looked over and over but there's somewhere in the video footage where sugite is actually trying to get
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Tupac to take off his vest I now again that's just rumors that I've heard I can't back that up uh by by me actually
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watching the video myself MH well after after this scuffle takes place um around
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900 p.m. everyone in the group uh they in Tupac's group they kind of head their separate ways they all go to their hotel
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rooms they're going to get cleaned up you know change clothes and get ready to go out for the night the plan being that
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they're going to a club well right and and I think the thing is and I'm not very for sure about this because they
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say that Tupac was supposed to make an appearance now I don't know if that was a if he was supposed to perform or just
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show up because sometimes these celebrities or these rappers would get paid to go to Afterparty yeah and and
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you're right about that I had heard I had heard it both ways um but the the way that I've heard it the most is that
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he was to perform that evening okay yeah and then some of that stuff too is it's just like a birthday party
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like a celebrity kids birthday party or something you want to talk about Easy Money sometimes they're paid six figures
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to show up and do one tune MH well and the thought could be captain that that his appearance or his performance that
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night at the 662 club might fund the entire trip for all those guys to go out there you know and and it's good
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publicity for him uh to sell records as well and and let's go back a little bit because Tupac is there there with Su
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knite but didn't travel with him he's traveling with his cousin um and he's traveling with his girlfriend at the
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time which was uh Quincy Jones's daughter and I can't recall his cousin's name but it's it's a female cousin yeah
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um they they shared like a birthday month and so he's like hey come to Vegas and and let's party but before this all
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went down uh there was a lot of speculation and rumors from Tupac's family that he for some reason just
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wasn't feeling up to go on to Vegas that weekend mhm well I think that points out
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something to me about pac's character because we you know as we showed yesterday he did not have a great family
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structure let's say um he didn't have an easy time growing up but I've seen plenty of videos and plenty of evidence
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that as an adult as you know once successful that he always tried to you know do things with his family keep his
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family together and as you said brought along the cousin on this trip well this is when he goes back up to his room to
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get well and to touch on that a little bit what you were saying before and a lot of Tupac's interviews he would talk
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and and I have a lot of respect for him for this cuz his whole thing was yeah I'm becoming famous and yeah I'm getting
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a bunch of money but I don't need a a ton of stuff I'm going to I'm going to support my family and I'm going to no
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matter how much money that cost to to help them out I'm going to help them out well and as we mentioned the cousin is
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Along on this trip and when when Tupac goes up to his room to get cleaned up for the evening change of clo uh he you
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know and this is her words she says you know he he was he was on like Cloud n when he came up to the room he he was
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excited because he he he loved watching the boxing match right uh he was probably pretty jacked up from that and
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then that might have been why he ran up and it wasn't so hard to get Tupac to run up and punch this guy guy right um
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and so he was kind of Pumped up and bragging to her a little bit about uh the fight that he had had in the in the
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lobby comparing himself to Mike Tyson and um she says that when he right right you're not as big as Mike Tyson but when
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he goes up there to change his clothes you know it was it was regular Tupac Mr Happy gol lucky and she didn't see
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anything that would put off any any warnings to her now one thing she did think was strange was he left the room
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without his bulletproof vest right now um when once he gets downstairs a bodyguard suggests to Pac that he should
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wear the vest that night and Pac says no it's going to be it's going to be too hot here tonight right um so they're
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going to Club 662 um I have in my notes that Pac was performing there but as we said it could
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have just been an appearance now the group before they make it to to the club they go to Suge Knight's mansion He has
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a mansion in the area and they're there for about a half an hour or so and during the course of this visit Pac and
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Suge they're off in what I'm going to call it a secret meeting but no nobody in the group titles it as that they just
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said that for a for a portion of that time at suge's suge's house the two of them were off somewhere they didn't know
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why they weren't with the group or what they were discussing or what was going on
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when they go to leave suge's Mansion uh pac's bodyguard this is Frank Alexander well and to be fair I mean
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this is his label right so it could have just been hey something came up we need
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to discuss this real quick M and private yeah it it may not have been anything of
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great importance of things that were going to happen that evening right um The Bodyguard Frank Alexander he says
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that he would typically ride with two Tupac in the vehicle and he was prepared he said he was standing at the car with
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the back door open getting ready to ride in the back seat with Suge Knight and Tupac on their way to the club that
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evening he says in this statement uh in in this particular documentary that I was watching that Pac had suggested to
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him that he should take another car that he should drive in another car because they'll probably have extra people
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additional people coming back from the club to the hotel afterwards and they may need additional Vehicles right now
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we've also heard statements that Pac told him to ride in the vehicle with his then fiance or girlfriend at the
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time the pro the problem I have with the the and Quincy Jones's daughter right and the reason why I'm kind of pointing
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this out is because people have put a lot of speculation on why The Bodyguard would not be with Pac and I think think
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you should first of all but second of all the problem I have with it is that there's so many different statements you
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know is it possible that he rode with the girlfriend and additional guys in that in that car yes it's possible but
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in his statement he never mentions Frank Alexander statement he never mentions the the girlfriend at the time the
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problem though being I I believe that that we've seen varying accounts from Mr Frank Alex Ander uh and and I don't mean
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drastic varying accounts I mean slightly varying accounts so I'm just kind of covering our bases there but so he's not
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going to ride with Pac now there's been other people that have suggested that Suge Knight told Pac to suggest to The
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Bodyguard to ride in another vehicle right but we have the bodyguards claims that it was Pac so so we have basically
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a three car Convoy and we have sug Knight and PAC they are in a 96 BMW 750 iil which uh I'm not a not a Suge backer
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uh but he's got good taste in cars I got to tell you that it's a rental though right around around is it I don't know
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hey look from all the statements after Pac dies is that you know everything was leased anyways it own anything I I yes I
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think we should be I don't think it was well actually I should say I know it wasn't a rental it could have been a
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lease regardless um around 11:00 p.m. they are stopped this is uh Tupac's car they're stopped on the Las Vegas
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Boulevard this is by Metro bicycle police uh come on can you imagine being stopped
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by a cops on a bike well there's a lot of people walking around down there no I understand that but I'm just saying you
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know if you're walking and you get stopped by a cop on a bike not a big deal but if you're driving and a cop on
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a bike stops you be going what are you doing well apparently they're stopped for their stereo being too loud and
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there's no license plates on their vehicle um these license plates for whatever reasons were not on the car
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they're later found in the trunk of the car um there's no ticket issued um there
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you know they kind of leave without any right without any altercation at all um but not long after that this would take
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us to around about 11 10 11 15 p.m. now we have to we have to kind of picture this as we're talking about it because
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you know this is audio we can't show you any diagrams here but picture the three
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car Convoy pulling up to the corner of flamingo in corval right and it looks like it's five Lanes at the intersection
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yeah so you have you have a vehicle in front which has got you know death row guys in it and then in the middle
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vehicle you have Suge Knight who's driving and you have Tupac shakor who's sitting shotgun and then there's yeah
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and then there's a vehicle behind them as well which contains more of their Entourage so as they pull up as the
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captain said this is a multi-lane road um the vehicles are driving uh in this three car Convoy but they're they're
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straightforward they're not side by side it's one two three as they pull up now they have a there's there's a bit of you
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know there's a vehicle next to them that has some lovely ladies in it and sug Knight and Tupac exchanged some words
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with these ladies uh inviting them to the club uh for his performance well a white four-door late model Cadillac with
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an unknown number of occupants pulled up to the sedan's right side so we have the
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the girls in their vehicle are on the left side of Suge and Pac mhm and so this vehicle pulls up to the right of
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them so if you can picture this their car Suge Knight's car is basically boxed in on all four sides mhm and so this
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vehicle pulls up to the right hand side uh rolled down a window and rapidly fired gunshots um I've I've heard that
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14 shots were fired is the most common number given here um this is fired at Suge in Tupac's vehicle Tupac was hit
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four times twice in the chest once in the arm and once in the thigh one of the bullets went into Tupac's right lung
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Knight was hit sug Knight was hit in the head uh by a fragmentation or a piece of
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uh piece of a bullet or a piece of glass it's a little unclear um and and I got to say that it's unclear part of that is
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because of sug Knight's own statements if you you don't have to look very hard where you can see him in an interview
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saying I was hit with a bullet in the head and and it I still got a bullet lodged in my head that's that's not
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accurate by anything that I could find it it it actually is probably a blatant lie right but he he's hit with either a
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fragment of a bullet or some kind of glass that that does some damage to his head and he's bleeding quite badly and
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the white Cadillac is it's in the rightand turn lane and it's going to turn right onto Corville yeah in The
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Bodyguard Frank Alex Ander he says that one of the death row cars went after the
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white Cadillac uh but he states that that nothing came of this suge's car pulls away now Suge is still driving
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he's driving erratically at this time and the car itself is badly damaged because I think Suge hit a few things
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with the vehicle and the car eventually breaks down now this is not terribly far
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from the scene of the shooting the first officer to arrive at the scene was was a
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now retired officer his name is Chris Carroll Suge is out of the vehicle at this point uh the officer Carroll he's
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trying to open the passenger door to get Pac out of the vehicle uh but it's stuck
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or it's jammed but for whatever reason he can't seem to get the door open now Suge keeps coming up behind the officer
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and running up behind him and the officer is trying to gain control of this of this situation because he
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doesn't really know what's going on here you know he can see that that Tupac is in bad shape uh he sees Suge who is
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bleeding from the head and and his his exact words were he's bleeding pretty badly right uh the officer at this point
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you know he doesn't know if these two guys might have shot each other um he's not really sure what's going on so he's
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got to kind of protect himself but try to offer some assistance to these guys at the same time so he keeps kind of
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pointing his gun at Suge and saying saying dude you got to you got you got to lay down you got to back off so I can
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get this door open well In fairness to the cop too I mean shook is a pretty big guy well that's funny that you say that
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because he that's exactly what he States in his in his interview you know he said
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my first thought is I see this giant man and he says he's huge this guy is huge he's running around I'm worried about
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him coming up behind me he goes and the guy's bleeding from the head but he seems all there you know what I mean he
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seems he knows what's going on he's he's with it but he keeps saying you know I was shocked that this dude was even
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walking around I think I think the officer may have thought because the amount of blood coming from Suge that he
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was shot much worse than what he was right anyway he's trying to gain control of the situation he can't get the
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vehicle door open according to whoever you want to believe the officer says he eventually gets the door open shg Knight
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says that he has to keep coming up and trying to help the officer because the officer couldn't figure out how to get
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the door open or take off the seat belt well we' assume that maybe the door is jammed because of the shots or or from
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sh hitting something with the vehicle true right so there's there's plenty of reason for it to be jammed according to
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the officer he finally gets the door open and he at this point he yeah but is at this point isn't this when uh they
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open up the door and Tupac's body just kind of falls out yeah if he kind of falls out of the vehicle and he's kind
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of like leaning up against the open door at this point yeah he's been hit four times right mhm he said you know so he
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the officer says I I grabbed him with my left arm he falls out into me and I've still got my gun in the other hand uh
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he's say stating that Tupac is covered in blood and he noticed that immediately noticed that the guy's got a ton of gold
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on and he's got you know necklace and jewelry and lot of rings that night you can actually uh Google search Tupac the
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night of the fight and you can see what he's wearing and you can see he had multiple rings on each finger the
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officer says that all of the gold all the jewelry is covered in blood uh and he says that he the the other guy just
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keeps yelling you know U and and suge's still yelling now now Suge is yelling Pac Pac uh and he just keeps yelling it
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over and over again and this is when the officer realized who who he's encountered you know he
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wasn't aware that it was Tupac until now he's got him out of the vehicle he sees
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all the blood and now he's putting everything together now the officer is stating that Tupac is also trying to
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yell back at shg knite yeah and the officer says that at some point very quickly Tupac goes from yelling back at
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Suge to trying to speak or struggling to speak uh he's not being super Cooperative with the officer but he's
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probably in a whole lot of shock as well um to the point where he he basically could not he couldn't speak very much at
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all you know almost kind of like you know he's out of energy he's he's been taken down and well yeah and the off
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well the officer's trying to get some information from Pac because once he realizes how badly this guy's been been
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shot and injured you know he wants to find out who shot him can you tell me any information at all and he he asked
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him that several times who shot you who shot you um and he says at some point Tupac looked at him and took a breath uh
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to get some words out and when Tupac opened up his mouth the officer thought that he was actually going to tell him
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who shot him or or offer some cooperation right uh but then the words came out from Pac Fu and then after that
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he started gurgling and kind of slipping out of Consciousness and at this point the amb is going to show up they're
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going to take Tupac to the hospital now this uh this officer that talked to Tupac or tried to help Tupac was saying
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that he never spoke another word after the fu and then there was also officer that rode in the ambulance with Tupac
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and he also question him as well trying to get answers because obviously they know somebody shot him mhm well and then
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once they get to the hospital we have this situation where he has to be rushed immediately into surgery to try to save
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his life so he's you know he's in surgery he's heavily sedated um th this is this is a strange thing here Captain
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a very strange thing to me it's possible that both stories are true but yesterday
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we reported that when when Pac was shot in New York that his somebody in his group had informed the police that that
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somebody was coming back to the hospital to finish the job and we stated that that that was probably very likely
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because Tupac rushed out of the hospital he left a lot earlier than the doctors wanted him to now the same story is
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basically repeated verbatim here as well where somebody in the group called the police and stated that somebody's going
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to come back to the hospital to finish the job we need to get an officer here um and they're told that they're underst
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staffed there's no officer available to guard the the hospital room or to guard Tupac I don't know but the other problem
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I have with this though too is that you have bodyguards that you're that you're paying MH their salary so you know
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wouldn't these bodyguards be able to be at the at the hospital to protect Tupac yeah it's it's just the reason why I
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question it um I don't question it in the sense that somebody's life was in danger and there's of course immediate
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threat in both situations I kind of question it because it's the exact same story two times in a row I I just don't
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know that it that one of those stories actually happened um I believe it happened at least once I I just think
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that the waters are a little murky and and some of the stories may have bled into one another so that's a poor choice
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of words but may have carried over from one incident to the other well and what I was saying before
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um to me this is just all pretty sad you know I I can't understand maybe Tupac didn't know who shot him
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but I he might not have even seen anything I mean he was he was basically ambushed when you think about it he was
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he was shot it was a surprise attack well I right but I'm and I'm very well aware that me and you know me and Tupac
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grew up in way different circumstances I'm just you know if somebody shot me and I knew wouldn't you
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want to say uh right I I understand it's a whole different uh situation but that
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that's what's so sad to me is is that maybe uh his fans or his family or anybody could have got some answers uh
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if he was just willing to to talk you know and and say the name but again like you said maybe he didn't didn't say the
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name yeah I or didn't know or didn't see anything I have a feeling that I I don't
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think he he saw who did this um or he didn't didn't know them enough to be able to identify anybody um but once
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he's at the hospital you know we we we all know the sad story from here you know he's he's placed on some different
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type of life support machines um now now to show you how tough this dude was you
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know Tupac would you know we talked about yesterday he he's shot several times in New York and he leaves the
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hospital against doctor's orders um and you know me me I break a leg I'm down for six months this guy maybe six years
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yeah this guy he's just he's right back at it he's a real man so this situation here they at some point they have to
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sedate him because he's trying to get out of bed this guy is is you know just breaths away from lifelessness and yet
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he's got the strength somehow to to get out of bed right um unfortunately on the
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afternoon of September 13th well yeah well but what's reported and this is where kind of the conspiracy stuff kind
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of falls into play it's some some of it's um reported that he goes into a coma and then he has to have more more
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surgeries because uh where the bullets hit and then that possibly they had to remove a lung mhm uh and then several
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days later like he said he he is reported dead yeah he passes away um and it sounds like they were the doctors
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GameChanger all right we're back cheers mates cheers well let's talk about the investigation a little bit and this
00:33:26
won't take take us too long before we get to some of the other more widely talked about things in this in this case
00:33:33
but in September of 1997 one year after Tupac was killed the Las Vegas Police uh
00:33:39
made a statement this is Sergeant Kevin Manning he told the review journal that's the local Las Vegas newspaper
00:33:46
that Tupac slang they didn't believe it to be motivated by a gang war or arguments within the rap World um it
00:33:55
said he says that appears to them that the motivation would be some type of personal dispute more than anything and
00:34:02
two of the detectives that were on this case I I thought they made an interesting statement they were saying
00:34:08
you know yeah you know Tupac had a lot of opinions on police officers but that had no weight or bearing on their
00:34:16
commitment to solve this case that that when they signed up to be detectives when they decide when they decided to be
00:34:23
police officers they took a oath and and everybody that they were working for uh deserved
00:34:30
to have closure to deserve to have their case solved mhm they also said that they
00:34:35
had a lot of theories you know a lot of theories as to what went down that night
00:34:39
who was responsible but stating that they have no Witnesses willing to cooperate or any direct evidence
00:34:46
implicating any specific individual now police at the time said that Tupac's Associates knew who killed him um but
00:34:55
that that would be definitely KN which was in the car with him mhm but they unable to make a case they State now we
00:35:03
also have some FBI documents that have come out over the years in 2011 a highly redacted 359 page document was released
00:35:14
on the agency's website this is a common site to post records that are of the subject of several Freedom of
00:35:21
Information Act request now within those documents you'll see that the that the FBI's information is slightly different
00:35:31
uh regarding this investigation as far as what we just heard from the Vegas Police but I also want to throw out
00:35:39
there that Within These FBI documents they are actually talking about their investigation into both the death of
00:35:47
Tupac and Biggie So within these documents it says that the FBI did spend a lot of time examining a link between
00:35:57
uh the two killings they also spent a lot of time examining the link between some LAPD officers who might have been
00:36:04
members of street gangs or who worked security for death row and the ties between the record label and the blood
00:36:12
gang members and one of the things that the FBI would talk about with the connection with the blood gang is that
00:36:18
they actually thought possibly both shootings were connected to the Southside Crips or the Southside Compton
00:36:24
Crips yeah that they that the Crips may have mass minded both of the uh the killings um here's another strange thing
00:36:32
in this whole case though there was another shooting uh this took place in November just two months after Tupac's
00:36:38
death um this the victim here is 19-year-old and I I have to apologize but I have no idea how to say this young
00:36:46
man's name I think it's yafi Fuller foler I believe and he actually had two names um the other name that he went by
00:36:55
was Yaki Gaddafi um but I apologize if we misspoke on those but I think we got pretty close there Captain tried our
00:37:02
best yeah regardless this young man he was he was a backup singer in uh Tupac group the Outlaws um he was shot in a h
00:37:10
in a hallway of a housing project in Orange New Jersey this was two months after Tupac's death just 19 years old uh
00:37:18
he was part of pox Entourage in Las Vegas and was a passenger in a car directly behind Tupac's car when when
00:37:27
the artist was killed now um police say that F's murder was unrelated to Tupac's
00:37:34
case even though fola was the only witness who told Metro investigators that night that he could possibly
00:37:42
identify pox as salant MH Fula was killed before police could question him further at length and like we were
00:37:50
talking about a little bit during the break our detailed account of the night or the shooting or where the cars were
00:37:57
and all that stuff we probably didn't do a Home Room job of but we're going to get back to a lot of that stuff when we
00:38:05
go through the theories yes and there's varying accounts of those but as you'll see as we go through these different
00:38:11
things it's going to come we're going to have to come back to it a couple of times um so let's talk about some of the
00:38:17
widely discussed theories about tacx death and who killed him well and here's just a little um warning if you're just
00:38:24
the fact man if you're just the facts man then you probably don't want to listen after this you're just the first
00:38:31
part of the show man right so all right so the the first theory is that the Illuminati had something to do with the
00:38:38
death of Tupac um you know in 1996 well yeah they death Road records releases I'm just going to interrupt you because
00:38:45
I don't think you'll be able to say it Don Killuminati there you go very good when I see that word I I am my brain
00:38:50
immediately separates it into two words well Captain conspiracy is here today my
00:38:55
friend yeah the the 7-Day Theory uh which reportedly features lyrics predicting Tupac's death uh it is
00:39:03
alleged that Tupac developed a dislike for the Illuminati uh the the power the organ organization supposedly yields
00:39:11
while in prison in 1995 MH um so you know this has been brought up time and time again that this that these very
00:39:21
important shadowy figures with lots of power took this guy out because he was outspoken and he was going to speak out
00:39:30
against such people well and one of the things that uh kind of the theory behind
00:39:34
the Illuminati as far as it goes with the the rap world or the music world is the idea that we'll you know we need to
00:39:42
dumb down America we need to dumb down the world and if we can dumb them down then we can kind of do whatever we want
00:39:48
and they're just not going to be focused on that so you need rappers to be talking about [ __ ] and hoes right you
00:39:56
need uh some dumb music out there you don't need to have people saying socially relevant stuff and well you
00:40:04
don't want to get the people thinking too much right or asking too many questions right and so a lot of the
00:40:11
stuff that Tupac and one of the things that Drew me and you know it wasn't like I was this kid listening to Tupac it was
00:40:18
afterwards and this the studying of him and the then I was really interested when um some of my college professor
00:40:25
friends were saying they're teaching classes on him now okay well why and you start diving into his
00:40:32
interviews and what he is saying about you know you know you need to empower yourself you know you need to get
00:40:38
education and it doesn't have to be through a four years in college but you need to educate yourself and he was he
00:40:44
was saying things like this so kind of this theory is yeah Tupac had some of these you know you know quote unquote
00:40:53
gangster rap type songs but he was also saying stuff of empowerment and and so the idea would be
00:41:00
that they would want to get rid of him because he was trying to uplift and if you really dive into what he was talking
00:41:07
about with the thug life stuff which I never knew much about that I just thought it was just kind of some silly
00:41:12
thing he'd say thug life but it's really this Mantra and these ways and he was actually writing up laws and and things
00:41:20
that people could follow and if you follow this thug life it wasn't really to be a thug at all
00:41:26
it was to uplift yourself educate yourself get yourself out of this situation mhm and one could argue this
00:41:33
is kind of you know possibly from Tupac's upbringing I mean his mother was a black panther and a lot of the stuff
00:41:42
that the Black Panther Party stood for actually was you know there was some socially relevant stuff there as well so
00:41:48
I think some of that education came down from his mother well and I think a lot of these thoughts too that that Tupac
00:41:55
was put putting out and that some of the thoughts that the Black Panther Party has put out over the years is that you
00:42:01
know united we are much better than we are as individuals and who would that scare well that would scare the people
00:42:07
in power the people that might trying to be quote unquote control us you know it's almost it's very reminiscent of
00:42:15
when we discussed uh Joseph Columbo the the the guy that was uniting Italian Americans right and the thought that he
00:42:22
was probably that he could have been killed by people or organizations of power because he was uniting people and
00:42:29
he was he was getting people to believe in themselves believe in their community
00:42:33
and believe in their brothers and sisters around them to to stand up for themselves and stand up for their
00:42:38
communities and and to have a voice well and the other thing that that Tupac talks about a lot is you know gangster
00:42:45
rap was talking about the real the real struggles that were happening on the streets and the deaths
00:42:51
that were happening on the streets and therefore since they were bringing it to light there was some statistics that
00:42:56
were done and he always talked about how the the powers of be want to shut that down and the government for a lot of
00:43:02
times like typ Gore was like spearheaded you know let's just let's not allow this
00:43:09
music to come out and one of the Tupac's ideas was you don't want us to talk about this so so the problem goes away
00:43:17
but the problem's not going to go away you you know people are just not going to report on it anymore there's still
00:43:22
going to be people killing each other but you're not going to care because it's never reported to you mhm well and
00:43:29
we should mention the FBI thing here because I I don't necessarily know that it fits 100% but it but it in itself I
00:43:37
don't know that it's a separate Theory so let's just cover that now while we're on this topic because you know the
00:43:42
thought is that potentially the government or the FBI killed somebody like Tupac because of reasons we just
00:43:48
stated but the evidence to that would be that there is uh there's some proof out
00:43:55
there that he might have been being watched by certain agencies yeah he definitely was and he might have even
00:44:01
being been watched while he was in Las Vegas yeah okay so he was a okay here's a couple things so one he was a
00:44:09
outspoken black male so with power too I mean the bigger his albums got the more
00:44:15
power he actually had and I think they knew that just as much as the CIA had uh you know has files on you know mayard
00:44:24
Keon right mhm uh James Mander Kean from tul they have uh files on John lennin I and I think it's naive to think
00:44:34
that they shouldn't have those right right so you know we were kind of joking off off air that there's a good
00:44:42
possibility that the CIA has files on us I mean they're the most boring files they have but they might have files on
00:44:49
us they have compromising photos of me from a wet t-shirt contest um but yeah so did they have files on him yes
00:44:59
and if you if you look at these documentaries of Tupac sometimes you'll see these surveillance footage and it'll
00:45:06
say FBI surveillance footage here's where it's not so clear is is was that surveillance footage from the club that
00:45:16
the FBI attained MH or was it the actual FBI doing the surveillance right and that's not clear so we have the
00:45:26
Illuminati Theory we have the possibility of FBI or CIA involvement um the way that I look at this thing
00:45:32
Captain is I want to kind of you know for if anybody's panicking I wanted to kind of start with the theories that
00:45:37
we're a little more outside of the box and kind of work our way closer to the box if we could so we'll eventually get
00:45:44
to our opinions on these theories yeah so so the next theory of of who killed Tupac would be that nobody killed Tupac
00:45:53
that that he is uh that he's alive and well and possibly living in Cuba you know we we talked about his his aunt
00:46:01
being there um there is an article that was published um that that says that he's been in hiding the whole time
00:46:07
there's probably several of those articles um but we've also seen all kinds of pictures of him supposedly that
00:46:15
he could be living anywhere uh possibly Tupac lookalikes or supposedly Tupac himself yeah there's a lot of talk too
00:46:23
that he kind of knew this was going to happen fell in love with uh mavelli MH and mavelli was um was a guy that faked
00:46:31
his own death um I I believe that mavelli actually faked his own death and then came back I'm not really I I'm not
00:46:39
schooled on that very well um I I thought he was somebody that talked of some kind of strategy about faking One's
00:46:46
Own Death right no I actually believe he actually did so so the fact that he talks a lot about this and and actually
00:46:54
actually talked about being rebirth uh Tupac talked about being rebirthed and actually being mavelli now um I
00:47:02
think because of a lot of that talk um look when you're shot five times and you kind of see the writing on the wall was
00:47:11
he a fortune teller I don't think so I think he knew that the the people he was surrounding himself with and the the
00:47:21
entertainment uh industry that he was in he knew that if he wasn't making changes
00:47:28
he'd probably end up dead well and he's not he's not an idiot I mean the Tupac's
00:47:33
are very intelligent man and he he knows that he he might be in a bad situation you know if this happened once it could
00:47:40
happen again and I barely escaped the first time you know it's very likely well and then there's all these weird
00:47:46
talks about the autopsy because you have the autopsy photo the the problem with that I I are
00:47:54
those real photo photos are not so a lot of people will say well this is photoshopped or it's a fake photo maybe
00:48:01
it is a fake photo mhm and so then that destroys the whole argument about the autopsy
00:48:07
photos um now but but then he got cremated so he got cremated really quickly yeah so the reports are that
00:48:16
that he was cremated the next day now it's they're kind of Loosey Goosey reports because some people will say as
00:48:22
late as 24 hours after he passed away or as early as 10 to 12 hours after he passed away yeah and that's pretty
00:48:29
suspicious but then we also have the death certificate yeah so I was trying to find an autopsy because there's been
00:48:36
arguments that there was one conducted that there is no autopsy I got nowhere with that the best I could do was locate
00:48:43
a death certificate now well and let's let me be clear about the autopsy there might not be one and I'm not I'm not a
00:48:51
doctor you know I'm a captain but the the thing is here is that we know that he had a punctured lung or something was
00:49:00
wrong with his lung because of the gunshot shot in the lung yeah and they had to pull I I believe they had to
00:49:06
remove um the lung yeah so I think maybe there wasn't an autopsy because they were already doing all these surgeries
00:49:14
so they already know so it's not like a you know we showed up to this house and Tupac was murdered it was he was in the
00:49:21
hospital for multiple days yeah but on the death s certificate itself um the two things that stand out there are that
00:49:30
the height and weight listed on the death let's be clear the one that I saw right they're not accurate they the
00:49:37
death certificate that I saw has him listed as 6 foot tall 215 lbs well that's Tupac was nowhere near 6 foot
00:49:47
tall he was nowhere near 215 was about 58 5'9 it was about 160 to 170 lb yeah yeah and I would say if he's 170 lbs
00:49:58
that's soak and wet with 10 rolls of quarters in his pocket because he was a very lean uh a very lean guy yeah and I
00:50:05
think if you look at the like I said Google image search Tupac Shakur the the the night of the fight he actually looks
00:50:14
thinner than normal mhm yeah and the thing with the death certificate is is two things okay so first of all I
00:50:21
reviewed the whole thing there's nothing else on that document that I called into
00:50:27
question it was only the height and weight that appeared to be wrong to me they even had his his birth name on
00:50:32
there they had you know that his mother had signed off on it the problem is I'm seeing it on a computer in the garage
00:50:40
right it's not an official document by the state of Nevada that was handed to me it it's it's something that somebody
00:50:48
could have very easily doctored and put on the internet yeah okay so I'm just going to give my opinion on this if he's
00:50:56
actually dead now a couple things uh a lot of conspiracy theorists will say that when his mother gives interviews
00:51:03
maybe she smirks or something like this she gave plenty of interviews claiming that he died I mean and explaining to
00:51:11
you oh by the way I'm the one that had to let it go you know and I had to say hey let's let's stop this he he doesn't
00:51:21
want to be a prison uh he doesn't want to be a prisoner here anyways he he's not happy with what's going on anyways
00:51:26
and he's now struggling you know let let him let his soul move on mhm and so I'm just going
00:51:34
to go with the fact that that's what she has stated over and over and over and why wouldn't I want to believe a mother
00:51:42
I understand that the idea of the conspiracy theorist of him faking his own death would be well yeah his mom
00:51:48
would cover up for him and I yeah I think that uh unfortunately it would be great if he was still alive and but but
00:51:57
I think it's a very unlikely Theory um the other the next one would be the Jewish let me just okay so so we can put
00:52:05
a bow on this right there are maybe two cuz look a lot of anybody that's into conspiracy will be like you you
00:52:14
guys missed this or you missed that well yeah I understand that there's some videos that were made in Cuba of a
00:52:21
rapper and possibly two pox in the background for 002 seconds uh I don't know what to make of
00:52:32
that you know kind of looks like him all I can say on that theory is there's there's two things that have have me um
00:52:42
that are hard for me to wrap my head around one the amount of eyewitness accounts in Haiti that have come forward
00:52:51
to uh um authorities saying that they saw Tupac it's like a crazy amount like 10,000 reports mhm the other one is
00:53:00
there's like two photos out there if you Google search two box Al alive you can search through and and take a gander
00:53:07
yourself but there's two um in my eyes that I have a hard time explaining so that's all I'm going to
00:53:16
put out there but do I believe he's dead I do believe he's dead the third Theory
00:53:21
would be the Jewish Defense League uh the FBI reportedly discussed threats to Tupac as well as rapper Easy E from the
00:53:29
far-right pro-israel political religious group the Jewish Defense League the jdl
00:53:35
uh it is alleged that the jdl made Anonymous death threats against Tupac and then offered him protection services
00:53:42
for and trade for large sums of money when this money wasn't paid it is alleged that jdl murdered Tupac um but
00:53:51
the the the FBI has has discovered these threats and has stated this but they also state that there is no link between
00:54:00
the jdl and the killing of Tupac that has ever been discovered by them well if there's a conspiracy on a death that you
00:54:08
want to look into uh something that's pretty fascinating Easy E that'd be One MH as far as a conspiracy that's one
00:54:16
that I've looked into I can't explain it myself the next Theory would be Suge Knight that that Suge Knight had had
00:54:24
Tupac killed that it was some kind of hit some kind of conspiracy against a guy in his own
00:54:30
organization um this is a theory that I really Dove a lot into because going into it I I thought that this was a
00:54:38
pretty likely Theory you know when I was when I was younger uh I I really did think that probably either you know
00:54:47
somebody from the East Coast group had poac killed or that or that sh Knight did it so this is one that I dove into
00:54:55
quite a bit the the the theory goes like this that supposedly um Su Knight owed Tupac about
00:55:03
$3 million possibly a lot more yeah and he also might have known that Tupac was looking to leave Death Row Records uh in
00:55:13
order to start his own label so the theory runs that if Tupac was killed death throw records would profit from
00:55:20
any unreleased material which we know he had a ton of it because the albums kept
00:55:24
coming out um Death Row Records have released a number of his albums since his death well right and then his mother
00:55:31
comes out and does a report stating hey when when we were talking about that BMW
00:55:37
earlier and I said it was probably least the reason why I was stating that is if
00:55:41
you look at the the report that the mom came out with she said look my my son died broke right and when my son would
00:55:50
get angry um at Death Row Records and started saying where's my damn money they' drop off a Bentley mhm and so
00:55:58
Tupac would be like okay well I got Bentley oh he Tupac's mad again drop off another car all Tupac's mad again drop
00:56:05
something off Tupac thought he owned those cars right he would tell everybody that he owns those cars after his death
00:56:13
it they figured out that all those cars that Death Row Records were saying that they're giving him they were just leased
00:56:19
vehicles MH and that Death Row Records owed him a bunch of money but 3 days before he died his lawyer sent stuff to
00:56:28
Death Row Records lawyer stating basically like this is done MH um and that's why when we were talked about the
00:56:36
little meeting that Suge and Tupac had it could have been Tupac and and Suge Knight talking about this like hey this
00:56:43
is how it's going to go down now I don't think Suge is a dumb guy uh I don't think he's a bright guy either but he's
00:56:52
smart enough to know how to threaten people he did it with Dr Dre when he wanted to leave and I think if Tupac
00:56:58
wanted to leave maybe he would let him leave but he's going to get a percentage of that afterwards MH well the thing
00:57:05
here with Knight um you know for those of you not familiar this is a guy that's no he's no stranger to being in trouble
00:57:14
with the law and he's no stranger to probably acts of violence himself right um in 2015 Knight was involved in a
00:57:23
hit-and run incident that left one man dead and another hospitalized uh now he did turn himself
00:57:30
into the sheriff's department for that uh the following morning um and at that time was arrested on suspicion of murder
00:57:37
you're right but if you're going to have a hit on a guy don't do it when he's in
00:57:41
the car with you don't do it while you're driving it doesn't that doesn't make a
00:57:46
lot of sense to me well the the incident that I was talking about with the uh the
00:57:51
hit and run incident it looks like he is still facing those his court date uh due
00:57:57
to some health complications or health problems he's been having the the court date keeps getting pushed back well he P
00:58:04
he passed out when they set bail uh he passed out in the courtroom yeah and at times he's claimed to have been
00:58:11
suffering from blindness um and some other ailments as well but it sounds like that case the the judge has said
00:58:19
we're taking this thing to court in January of 2018 and there's Health concern concerns no health concerns
00:58:26
that's going to be the start of the trial for those charges now another thing here that gets brought up and
00:58:31
you're exactly right Captain he there's no way that in my opinion that he would put himself in the
00:58:39
vehicle that's going to get sprayed with bullets I mean the vehicle 14 shots is what's most commonly reported the other
00:58:47
thing is that the a lot of reports state that you know what that incident with Orlando Anderson in the lobby was an
00:58:55
incident that Suge Knight created in advance because it would give him some kind of out it would give police some
00:59:03
kind of suspicion that Orlando Anderson and maybe his people were involved and this would pull the guilt or not the
00:59:10
guilt but this would pull a lot of the suspicion off of Suge Knight the problem with that theory is well Suge Knight
00:59:17
joined in the fight the dude was on probation and this was a violation of his probation he ended up having to go
00:59:23
back and spend some time in prison because of the the the situation that was caught on the surveillance camera
00:59:30
that night right so okay right so then the other things that are against him is that Tupac was probably leaving so if
00:59:37
he's leaving then again he'd still probably get some percentage he's still going to make money off of his old
00:59:44
albums if Tupac became bigger look Tupac was probably one of the biggest icons in
00:59:49
the world at the time if he became even bigger than that Death Row Record still going to make a bunch of money off of
00:59:55
him from his from his past records so and maybe unreleased stuff and things like that
01:00:02
so uh you know and also Suge Knight doesn't ever come forward and says who he thinks did it he always it's like he
01:00:10
changes his story all the time oh well yeah Tupac's alive no Tupac's dead Tupac's alive oh no I saw him in Cuba
01:00:17
it's almost like he's just messing with people um the the the thing he said on record and when I say on record I mean
01:00:24
in a videotaped interview that aired a lot of different places but one thing he said on record that really kind of upset
01:00:32
me was that you know the thought is that the FBI stating that or the the police stating that they believe that some of
01:00:39
Tupac's Associates know who killed him right and so the question was if you knew Suge if you knew who killed Pac
01:00:48
would you report that would you turn the people in please and his answer is no I
01:00:54
wouldn't wouldn't say a thing because it's not my job to do that it's I don't get paid to solve crimes um right but
01:01:01
right you run a record label and that was your artist it's your job to protect the artist but you weren't really a a
01:01:09
businessman or a record label you're just a thug that's what he was right right so and this was your friend this
01:01:16
was your this was your friend and if he wasn't he should have been your friend right and and the thing is you can't it
01:01:23
is his job it's his job on some level and you can argue it a hundred different ways and you'd be right right and I like
01:01:29
I said I understand that I come from a different uh background and upbringing but this whole idea the this uh snitches
01:01:37
get stitches whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me and and and what also a couple things one I think that
01:01:47
goes with the idea that Tupac is actually dead and what goes with the the thing that uh Su Knight was not involved
01:01:55
was the amount of gang riots and murders after Tupac's death the next couple weeks they had a big issue with this the
01:02:04
next suspect on the list is Orlando Anderson himself you know following the boxing match between well the next
01:02:11
Theory the next Theory thank you following the boxing match he was the guy that was attacked uh when the fight
01:02:16
broke out in the in the lobby um you know in some stating that this was a fight between rival gangs the Bloods and
01:02:23
the Crips um stating that you know Orlando Anderson wanted some form of Revenge you know that that he got into a
01:02:30
scuffle and he got his butt whooped and you know stating what are you going to do now well you're going to go you're
01:02:36
going to go get your friends you got jumped by a bunch of people you're going to go get your friends and you're going
01:02:41
to go out and you're going to correct this situation right um I'm not going to lie I like this Theory um because uh
01:02:50
unfortunately a lot of times when these things go down in the way that they did usually it's a result of some form of
01:02:57
retaliation somebody felt that they were done wrong somebody felt that they were
01:03:01
embarrassed or beat up or robbed or whatever and they go back out and they take some kind of vigilante justice well
01:03:08
and there's some weight to this because there was an I I at least believe one eyewitness that stated that the shooter
01:03:15
was Orlando the night of the shooting M well and the there was some lawsuits involved as well right so we have
01:03:24
Anderson who sues Death Row Records because he's attacked in Las Vegas and and what happens in response to that
01:03:32
lawsuit well there's a wrongful death lawsuit against Anderson for the death of Tupac Shakur correct yeah yeah the
01:03:39
mother uh AI uh Shakur filed one against Anderson four days later now what what came of that
01:03:47
supposedly is that uh Death Row Records actually settled and that he Orlando would netted
01:03:56
78,000 uh he also reported to some magazine Orlando did in 1997 saying well I was a fan of Tupac I was a fan of his
01:04:03
music but again the night of the shooting you have uh eyewitness calling I believe 911 or the police department
01:04:12
saying hey I know who shot him it was this guy uh now who did that call come from could it have just been somebody
01:04:19
that was in the scuffle and just had a thought that well it's must have been this guy yeah and but the thing here is
01:04:27
we have half the equation when it comes to Orlando right we have him in the area
01:04:31
and we have a motive um that's that's more than we have for some of the other people or theories on our list now uh
01:04:39
Orlando was eventually killed in an unrelated gang shooting in 1998 uh he and Associate were involved
01:04:45
in a shootout with uh some gang members several people died in that situation his associate was later charged uh for
01:04:53
his involvement in the shootout yeah and there's also some other I can't I can't find it right now
01:05:00
and I don't think you found it in your research but something to do with Orlando was already being charged or was
01:05:06
already a suspect in another shooting earlier that year yeah he he was definitely questioned in the shootout
01:05:15
regarding Tupac uh he was questioned several times uh but whatever took place during that questioning period didn't
01:05:23
lead to any arrest well and then now we go to uh Powderpuff Daddy no and look I'm just making a joke you know puffy
01:05:31
had a couple good tunes right he had a yeah but I here I all about the Benjamin can I go on the record and I'm not doing
01:05:38
this to back you up I just want to throw my own opinion him him talk the uhhuh yeah uhhuh yeah that that is annoying on
01:05:46
the songs he had a couple of his own songs that were decent he he's like the captain of bad boy he keeps interrupting
01:05:53
yeah uh he he should have stuck to doing his own stuff and when he was producing
01:05:57
just Just Produce man Just Produce yeah uh the thing is uh he's a bad dancer but
01:06:02
he's one hell of a dresser I'll give him that uhhuh yeah so anyway of course we have the the rap War Right theory uh
01:06:09
Sean Colmes biggie um how how do you want to go about this because people you could easily lump these two together or
01:06:17
you could separate them and when you say lump these two together you're talking about the Orlando Theory and the Sean
01:06:25
Puffy Colmes Theory well well kind well I was going to get to that but what I meant was when you talk about Biggie or
01:06:34
talk about Sean Colmes do you want to lump them together as one suspect or talk about them
01:06:40
separately uh just lump them together I guess okay because I don't think look I I think a lot of these you know it takes
01:06:48
a special type of person to want to create content to want to rap to want to create music to for you know to write a
01:06:56
book or whatever right mhm and I think some of these guys not saying that you know you know puffy didn't want to
01:07:02
create CU he he produced some stuff but people like Suge Knight they weren't creating they were just you know one of
01:07:08
the things in interviews that bring up all the time with Tupac is well you're getting pimped that's what they say to
01:07:14
them you're being pimped by the record industry you know or these record label guys so I don't think I mean yeah you
01:07:23
might grow up and there's might be some violent tendencies in how you grow up but I think both these individuals even
01:07:30
though they had you know Biggie and Tupac even though they had some violent things I think a lot of that was more
01:07:36
because of the people around them well and I think with biggie a lot of it was a bit of show um yeah you know I think
01:07:45
that he was a hardcore rapper I don't know that he was a hardcore dude um I didn't I never really got that sense
01:07:52
from him um but the thing here is Captain you know when we get into this when when when it first comes out it's
01:08:00
it's brought up that that Notorious BIG basically put out a hit on Tupac right um the the thing that we're going to get
01:08:10
to here when you dive down into it it's actually it's more mentioned that it came from Shan Colmes and that that
01:08:18
biggie actually had nothing to do with this incident now what we're talking about here is former LAPD cop Greg
01:08:26
cading uh he says he was involved in a special task force investigating uh these different cases yeah he started
01:08:34
with the biggie murder though which led him to to the Tupac investigation on his
01:08:38
own and he claimed in a 2016 documentary that Shan Colmes had paid gang members uh CP gang members Dwayne Keith Davis uh
01:08:51
100 I'm sorry $1 million to carry out the murder yeah well and it's kind of weird because it's
01:08:58
blurry the the the rumor was that that he it wasn't that he just gave him a hundred or gave him $1 million it was
01:09:07
just if this happens I will pay you right and that was my going to be my question to you because when I dove into
01:09:14
this thing it was confusing to me was this an outright hit or was it a bounty because there they're two completely
01:09:21
different things a hit you pay someone here's here's your this is our agreement go kill the person a bounty is more like
01:09:29
job of the Hut that's like you know what if somebody brings me this guy there's a
01:09:33
reward so it sounds to me more like a bounty uh the this guy his his name that he goes by is uh Kefi d uh so we'll call
01:09:45
him Kefi D but he lived he lived or was from the Los Angeles area hold on he goes by Kefi D so we're going to call
01:09:53
him key D well it's easier than saying Dwayne Keith Davis every time so this guy he lives around from my
01:10:01
understanding lived around the Los Angeles area yeah um well if if he if you were going to put a bounty out on
01:10:07
somebody and he's from the the [ __ ] he's a [ __ ] member uh and you wanted Tupac
01:10:13
dead well Tupac would have been in that area this seems like a likely thing here
01:10:18
um but the way that this story goes is a little different it's not taking place in Los Ang is taking place in Las Vegas
01:10:26
why because happen stance though Kefi D happens to be in Las Vegas he claims that he and a bunch of friends a bunch
01:10:33
of Associates were going to be in Vegas for the fight that weekend right the situation is this who is Kefi D well he
01:10:42
is the uncle of Orlando Anderson MH well Orlando Anderson is attacked by Tupac that evening right and so after that
01:10:53
attack goes down Orlando Kei D and all these guys are sitting around talking about this you know well how are we
01:11:00
going to correct this situation because we just we just look like we got punked now we going to we're going to correct
01:11:06
this situation here oh wait a second in there that uh is there that Bounty out there isn't there this situation out
01:11:13
there that somebody could make a whole lot of money right and we might be going after this guy anyway for our own
01:11:18
reasons tonight so why don't we makes a bunch of sense yeah why don't we just do
01:11:22
both at once mhm so the way that I understand the situation now these are Kefi D's words this is his you can
01:11:31
listen to his There's an actual audio confession yeah and he's confessing that him along with what it's it's seven guys
01:11:40
it's eight guys total in the beginning right so they have their crew of people now the one of the interesting things
01:11:46
was people said well or Orlando Anderson had no ticket to the fight so why was he
01:11:52
at the fight a lot of people call him a pawn you know like well we'll set him up
01:11:56
for the conspiracy theory well the reason why he's at the fight is cuz some of his crew was at the fight they had
01:12:03
tickets but he didn't have a ticket so hey you guys go to the fight I'm just going to stay out here in the lobby when
01:12:08
he gets caught in the lobby with um Death Row Records that's when the fight breaks out so then while they're there
01:12:15
and hit uh K D's um um buddy or whatever says hey you can take care of that hit now like killed two birds with one stone
01:12:24
right right well we don't have any guns the guy goes here's my gun gives him the
01:12:29
gun they pull up on Pac want me to keep going well yeah the guy's name that he goes by the guy that supplied the gun he
01:12:37
goes by the name zip right so zip gives him the gun uh what were they renting that weekend he one of the guys his
01:12:45
mother had rented the late model white Cadillac so they had access to a vehicle matching the description they have
01:12:53
access to a firearm so what they do is they pull up they're in the right hand lane uh oh actually so what happens is
01:13:02
what Kei D says he says that they go to the 662 Club MH and they decide okay well we're going to drink a little
01:13:09
liquor we're going to smoke a little weed we're going to go to the 662 club and that's where Tupac is supposed to be
01:13:15
it sounds to me like they were trying to Ambush Tupac and sug Knight in the parking lot of the 662 club right so
01:13:22
they pull up and they have two vehicles there's four guys in each vehicle they sit there for about 20 minutes or so and
01:13:29
during the course of this time when Tupac and Suge Knight are not showing up some of the guys start to get cold feet
01:13:35
and they start to worry about what you know the situation just got real you know you can sit behind closed doors and
01:13:41
say you're going to take down these people but once you're in the car and you get to the location once you're at
01:13:45
the parking lot oh man I would have ran out of there faster than straight pooped
01:13:50
yourself you know but I tell you what oh excuse me some of the guys start to get
01:13:54
cold feet Kefi D is in one vehicle he's not in the Cadillac at this point and he
01:13:59
tells the other guys you know what go off do whatever you want I'm going to hop in this other car he hops in the
01:14:04
Cadillac so now in the Cadillac we have the driver he goes by the name tbrown uh
01:14:10
we have Kefi D riding shotgun behind the driver we have DeAndre he goes by he goes by Dre and then behind Kefi D in
01:14:20
the in the back passenger right hand side Orlando is Orlando and so they decide that they're
01:14:26
going to go I guess they're going to go look for Pac and look for well I think the idea
01:14:32
was more like well let's go get some more booze maybe we get some more weed possibly and then work our way back to
01:14:38
and then we'll work our way back and so as they're going up and down this strip they're like well maybe we'll run into
01:14:43
them there well as they pull up to this intersection there's these girls screaming Pac Pac right now there's four
01:14:51
girls in a grease green Sebring and they're um they're interviewed often so they're the ones that Drew the attention
01:15:01
to to the location of Pac right so now they're like well there he is so Kefi D turns around and hands the gun to Dre
01:15:09
because Dre would be in the back passenger side and Kefi D is like well I'm not going to shoot him yeah because
01:15:16
Kefi D was was the one claiming he would shoot at the vehicle that he would shoot
01:15:21
Suge and he would shoot t but their original you know when they see the vehicle their first thought is
01:15:27
well get up on the left hand side so kefy D and the passenger seat can reach out the window and and spray the car
01:15:34
right but they couldn't because if you look at the positioning of the cars in the intersection they couldn't get to
01:15:39
the left side of their car so they're forced to pull up on the right hand side now Kefi D sitting in the front seat he
01:15:45
does not want to reach over the driver and and blast in front of the face of his driver so as the captain says he
01:15:54
tries to hand the gun to Dre who's sitting directly behind the driver Dre says you know what I don't want anything
01:16:01
to do with this get that thing away from me it's then that we have Orlando who was attacked earlier that evening he
01:16:08
decides to take the gun he grabs the gun from Kefi D he reaches over Dre and he puts his hand just outside of the window
01:16:16
and he shoots the car as many times as he can right and then they drive off this is what key d says so then they
01:16:24
drive off they turn right on the intersection and then all of a sudden they realize that a car is following him
01:16:30
now what Kei D says is well we thought it was the girl and the the girls chasing after us M but he claims that
01:16:36
there was some gunshots so then they fire back and as we know uh based off of the um statements that um from Frank
01:16:45
Alexander The Bodyguard The Bodyguard and the other Outlaws they claim that they chased after this white Cadillac
01:16:52
mhm so again he now this is not heavily reported that there was other shots after the the first shootings with Tupac
01:17:01
so the fact that ke Kefi D actually States this to me has more validity with his story right right and and it also
01:17:10
explains why the uh the members from Death Row decide to stop pursuing the vehicle yeah and then what key D claims
01:17:20
is that see now he grew up with Suge Knight and what he claims is that when Orlando was shooting at the car that
01:17:30
Suge Knight made eye contact with Kei D and he knew uh that Kefi D and his crew were responsible for the death of Tupac
01:17:41
yeah and he also states that he thought that Suge Knight would die that night because he thought he was hit in the
01:17:45
head with a bullet right so then after they get away from uh the other vehicle the bodyguards then what happened
01:17:53
happens well the the guys they Park their white Cadillac and they actually park it it's strange because they park
01:18:00
it somewhere that's very close to where Suge Knight's car ends up at the at the end of the night uh they Park their
01:18:08
vehicle and they put the gun the way I understand it they put the gun on top of the tire uh to kind of hide it for the
01:18:15
evening they go off and party for the night and then the following day they go back to the vehicle they check the
01:18:22
vehicle make sure that there's no loose shell casings inside the vehicle well they're very lucky that the cops didn't
01:18:28
find that vehicle mhm because all they would have to do I think uh even with it being on the wheel well I I don't think
01:18:37
they would need a search warrant for that well they of course they wouldn't need a search warrant for that I think
01:18:41
part of that is why they left the gun outside of the vehicle because if there was nothing inside proving that that gun
01:18:49
was inside the vehicle then they could claim that somebody else just put that gun there the problem is then they would
01:18:56
have to explain why they have rented a vehicle that matches the description of the car that was supposedly shot at
01:19:04
Tupac uh and why that that rental car could be traced back to one of those those men in the vehicle all right so
01:19:12
let's try to put a bow on this Theory right mhm now this Theory I think holds a lot of weight to me and a lot of
01:19:21
people would say well this guy is you know ke D was just a criminal anyways and he gave this confession I believe
01:19:26
when he was in jail but where is the proof well here's here's a couple things out of the four people in the car that
01:19:33
we we have proof that three of them were in Vegas now one of them claims they weren't in Vegas but I think two of
01:19:40
those guys then claimed that guy was actually in Vegas with them yeah my understanding is it it's the driver of
01:19:46
the vehicle says that he was not in Vegas that weekend and as you just mentioned the only other two guys guys
01:19:53
that are still alive that were in that vehicle that night say he was the driver of the Cadillac well right and we also
01:20:00
have the surveillance footage I don't know if it's FBI surveillance footage or not but to me you can see a white
01:20:06
Cadillac on the footage of the parking lot at 662 yeah whether or not you can see Kefi D I swear at some point I saw
01:20:15
footage that I could see him on it but uh I I can't I can't find it to to show you and I I think that there's probably
01:20:24
no question that that we favor this Theory better than the others that we presented that's part of the reason why
01:20:31
we saved it for Less that's part of the reason why you hear us jumping out of our chairs to talk about it right the
01:20:36
thing here for me is because it all kind of lines up uh there there there are some questions that I have and I'll get
01:20:43
to those in a minute but the thing here is okay we have people that put themselves in the area uh they have the
01:20:50
means they say that they had access to a gun they were driving a vehicle that matches the description given by
01:20:56
everybody there's no question about the description of the vehicle and we also have a motive we have an obvious motive
01:21:03
and not only do we have an obvious motive but to me I see all kinds of motives when you claim that these guys
01:21:10
are the ones that carried out the murder and it looks to me as though they in their intention was to shoot Suge and
01:21:19
Tupac was to kill both of them is what it appears to me me because as he states that they would have preferred to have
01:21:27
pulled up on the left side of the vehicle and fired into the vehicle in that manner now we could have seen a
01:21:33
different result with that we could have seen a Suge Knight get killed and a Tupac survive the attack had it gone
01:21:39
down that way but again it their motives uh retaliation well also to and also Tupac's mom then files a wrongful death
01:21:48
against this guy as well we have the retaliation thought for the motiv we also have just the gang aspect for the
01:21:56
motivation and then the the icing on the cake for their motivation would be that
01:22:01
they could stand to make a whole lot of money if in fact that this bounty that was supposedly put out by Shan Colmes if
01:22:08
it was in fact a real thing MH the problem the only problem I see with the confession itself is the involvement of
01:22:17
Shan Colmes I I it that to me I don't I don't I don't I don't make the connection uh I understand that it's
01:22:27
probably you know it was a general suspicion by people at the time um I think it makes for a better story for
01:22:34
Kefi D it also could have just been a rumor that Kefi D heard it might not actually been something that came from
01:22:41
Tupac's or not Tupac from Puffy's mouth right right right and I think if there were a large amount of money and I know
01:22:48
Puffy's somebody that has the ability to deal in large amounts of money but if seeing a movement of that amount of
01:22:55
money exchange hands FBI or CIA would would have set off some big red flags here so where where I stand in my
01:23:04
opinion is that this this Theory makes the most sense well and and on top of that LAPD when they were doing the
01:23:12
investigation a lot of detectives that have done work on this investigation all think that the murders came from
01:23:19
somebody from the Southside uh Crips mhm and these guys were members and and just
01:23:24
to be clear you didn't misspeak there because you're saying LAPD and this took place in Las Vegas the thing here is
01:23:31
we're seeing information coming out of former LAPD detectives and officers that are saying we started investigating the
01:23:39
biggie portion of this of this story right because this is what happened in our area we started to see we started to
01:23:47
look to see if there were ties between the two murders and it led us to our own personal investigation into Tupac murder
01:23:54
and this is the theories in the things that we're seeing come to light now well on top of that after the murders like I
01:24:01
said there were gang violence and shootings for weeks and weeks afterwards as a retaliation now why would there be a
01:24:09
retaliation if your gang was not involved right it doesn't make any sense well and the thing here is I want to go
01:24:16
on record stating this very clearly I think that this was a a gang uh a gang related murder the thing here is I want
01:24:24
to be very clear I'm not stating that it was Tupac that was in some kind of rivalry gang I I believe this was
01:24:31
carried out by a gang probably with people with gang ties these guys this confession from Kei D that all falls
01:24:40
into that theory right and and what we talked a lot about when we were researching this case um I'm just
01:24:48
fascinated by Tupac in general and I feel like he has I feel like the weight that he was
01:24:54
carrying in his words doesn't get enough respect from people that are outside of
01:24:59
the hip-hop community so if you if you a hip-hop fan or if you're a rap fan then
01:25:04
yes this then Tupac was this icon we ain't telling you something you don't already know right but if you're not in
01:25:11
this world and that that's not something you're interested in then you're like why the heck are they covering this guy
01:25:17
look I'm a huge Beatles fan as much as John Lenin was a icon to this world so was Tupac Shakur and I think when you
01:25:26
look into the FBI or the CIA or the Illuminati or he's still alive all these odd theories it's because at the end of
01:25:34
the day somebody that was so magical of an individual you know influenc well don't say influencer
01:25:44
because now if you have a a bunch of people following you on Instagram they call you influencer I'm going to say
01:25:50
this and maybe I'll get some heat from it and I I don't give it I don't give a [ __ ] okay this guy was possibly some
01:25:57
form of a prophet right I think that same thought about John Lenin I think that same thought about Muhammad Ali I
01:26:05
think that same thought about Malcolm X I think that same thought about Martin Luther King this guy was saying things
01:26:12
that were relevant and he didn't have to he was a multi-millionaire and he wasn't
01:26:17
getting paid what he should have right his labels holding this money that he was not getting paid what he
01:26:24
should have but he he had all this money he had all this power he didn't have to
01:26:28
say this stuff he could have just kept to himself you know stayed in his own lane eyes on the prize been
01:26:37
greedy be selfish I think because of his upbringing his intelligence the way he saw the world he would even say in
01:26:46
interviews my brain sees things different than most and I believe an if you look at somebody that I think is a a
01:26:56
musical genius Quincy Jones Quincy Jones his daughter was was dating him and he said when you met Tupac this guy was on
01:27:05
a different level as if he was touched by the hands of God or something that's his State that's what he is saying so I
01:27:13
think all these other theories that he's still alive or maybe the CIA killed him
01:27:17
or the government I think because at the end of the day this guy was so special so magical that you don't want to
01:27:24
believe some you know and let's say what Orlando was he was a thug but he was also a young naive Thug and for whatever
01:27:34
reason uh you don't want to believe that this guy could take out somebody so powerful and so magical I won't use the
01:27:44
word profit I think all those guys were great men I think the loss here is that in my opinion Tupac had the potential to
01:27:53
grow into becoming a great man I think that he was incredibly talented incredibly smart I think I see a very
01:28:02
impulsive young man uh making some poor decisions um obviously yeah what what I'm getting at though is I think that if
01:28:10
he could have stayed out of trouble which would have been very likely if he could have removed himself from some of
01:28:15
those bad elements that had worked their way into his life that I think he could
01:28:20
have grown into being he was something special but he could have grown into being something very positive uh for
01:28:28
himself and for everybody for all of us because I would have loved to have seen a Tupac in his 30s I would have loved to
01:28:36
seen a Tupac in his 40s right especially I mean not even just as a rapper but as
01:28:41
a as an actor he was amazing actor yes he was and the thing here is I'm I just think that we didn't get to experience
01:28:49
all the things that I know he was capable of yeah and when I say Prophet I don't mean like hands of God what I mean
01:28:56
it's somebody I I believe that there's people that are put on this Earth right we're all put on this Earth somehow
01:29:03
right but that some of these individuals have something inside them and they can't stop it and I don't think he could
01:29:12
stop himself from trying to help others or trying to present the truth or ways to others that's what I mean by all that
01:29:23
well we might get some more insight into these stories because I I noticed A&E is
01:29:27
doing a big uh notorious b and Tupac uh type documentary we also have Tupac's movie coming out sometime this month I'm
01:29:36
not excited about it I'm not excited about the movie I'm excited about the A&E uh documentaries that are coming out
01:29:43
and what was the what was the title of the thing that we we found the the confession from in case anybody wants to
01:29:50
go look it up for themselves anybody's interested in looking more into these and also the biggie side which I i'
01:29:58
would like to dive more into the biggie side as well I'm big fan of his uh it's called murder rap and you
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