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a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime in March of 1992 20 year old Amy Hooper was killed she was found alone in
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her apartment someone went into her apartment and killed her on that day now we've been talking about this case and
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talking about the investigation that followed and we've been going through some of the suspects and police looked
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into Amy's boyfriend they looked into Amy's former boyfriends they looked into friends co-workers and
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neighborhood sex offenders they followed up on tips they were working very hard on this investigation as we both stated
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yesterday this is a cold case however we don't believe that it's because of a lack of effort on the Franklin County
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Sheriff's Department in fact it seems like there's no reasonable logical reason that anybody would want to hurt
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her in fact detective Clark said in an interview quote Amy had a lot of friends and partied a bit but she didn't use
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drugs and she didn't run her mouth she wasn't causing anyone any trouble she hung out she worked hard and she did her
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job it doesn't seem that amy was mixed up in anything nefarious at the time of her murder and the other thing that they
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followed up on to regarding this investigation and they reported this in the papers
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there were no known disturbances reported at her apartment complex in the weeks prior to her death so nothing
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appeared to be out of order right yeah and then once inside the apartment inside the the apartment which is in
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fact the murder scene we have a situation where we have no signs of a break-in no signs of forced entry and it
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didn't appear that anything had been stolen I mean she was still wearing her diamond ring when her body was found I
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once heard a detective talk about how some traders will go around Columbus has outer Belton 270 and they'll drive
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around 270 and get off at exits and start trying to look for opportunities and I wonder if somebody possibly saw
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her in Grove City and then followed her back to the lincoln apartments right Village Apartments because the
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apartments are not that far off the exit correct yeah actually they are very close from that 270 exit and that's an
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interesting take and I actually believe that that might be a likely scenario here and that would mean that she was
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killed by a stranger right Amy was a very attractive young woman it's not inconceivable that some
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maniac would be out there driving around looking for a young attractive woman and
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follow her home and see her going alone into this apartment right the only tough
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thing about that theory for me is the lack of evidence on a sexual assault I want to point out some weird things in
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this case and mind you I want you two to make mental note before I go into this of the location you know that location
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fairly well okay so as police were investigating Amy's case this is pretty quickly actually in fact within just the
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short few weeks following the murder a few women on the west side of Columbus told authorities that they were
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receiving strange phone calls detective Clark told the media quote people would get calls from a man who would say
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remember Amy Hooper you're going to end up just like that now the reason why I point out that I believe that that is so
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strange is remember we covered a case about a year or so ago this was William Coe means or bilko means lived in that
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same area now he has a mysterious death it's it's not been ruled a homicide you and I agreed that it was a mysterious
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death but there were threatening calls and letters that were going on after his death and he actually lived very close
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to where Amy Hooper would have lived at the time of her death now mind you their
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deaths are separated by 12 years right so it's likely it wasn't the same individual but I found it so strange
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that you would have such a small area where you have one a mysterious death and then to a full-blown homicide and
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you have these strange calls that are going on this is a threatening phone call you remember Amy Hooper who was
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just in the news remember that murder victim you're gonna end up just like her yeah and some of that we believe was
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bludgeoned to death and then stabbed after death I mean this is a vicious murder I mean what kind of sick minded
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donkey spanker starts calling women and saying you're gonna end up like that dead girl well and the other thing too
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that you have to wonder about is if these if these calls were related to her murder if that's true then it casts some
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doubt on the detectives stated theory that Amy's murder was personal and targeted that would be my guess yeah but
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we've seen with serial killers or other cases and you you'd know more about this
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than I would where you have individuals that are it's a personal attack but only
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because it is a female that female that Amy Hooper would she should represent mm-hmm a different female in this
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killer's life right so that you know their victim that is female would represent their mother or ex-lover that
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that ruined their life right so that's where it gets pretty convoluted you know you're exactly right you have a
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situation that when you have overkill usually 95% of the time that's going to point to the offender knew the victim
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right and wanted to for a lack of better term destroy the victim not just kill them destroy them but as you stated
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we've seen it time and time again with serial killers and with repeat offenders that they're trying to
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destroy somebody else right the victim represents somebody else and sometimes it can be as simple as they have a
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deep-rooted hatred of women in general right so that's a difficult thing and then regarding these phone calls captain
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police were never able to find out anything more about these calls they looked into this angle here but they
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couldn't figure out one more about the calls or if they were in fact connected to Amy's murder at all it could have
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just been pranks right and this is maybe a handful of years right before everybody was getting caller ID when
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that was like the big thing mm-hmm like all we got caller ID now right and so it
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was a perfect time for for an individual that is sick minded to do this correct well and then the other thing too one
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thing that's been suspected for years we talked about ears the Golden State killer it's believed that he called
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females in that area with threatening calls and strange I've heard some of these recordings very weird strange
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calls but they suspect that because most of his victims were in fact women or that's who he was seeking out as a
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victim they think that that was a way for him to later relive some of those crimes and to gain excitement after the
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fact so we may have a situation here that if these calls are connected that it is from the killer and it is from
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somebody trying to relive that moment or get some kind of excitement out of the fear that he is hearing from the woman
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on the other end of the line well not just excitement but possibly getting some kind of understanding of how's he
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getting these numbers is he calling these numbers by random and if so he could be looking these numbers up and
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the white pages and if he's looking up these numbers and the white pages for the young listeners they would deliver a
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book to your house that would give you a list of all these people's addresses and their phone
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numbers so then you would know that this number is connected to this address and
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okay a female answered you know so that you know raises some excitement it gets your boner juices going well and we
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talked about yesterday how they looked into the abusive boyfriend that Amy had when she was in high school we talked
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about them looking into her very good natured boyfriend that he had that she had at the current time of her death
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yeah the bowling-green student correct we haven't talked about some other possible suspects okay let's get into
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them right now so one thing that's interesting is investigators did talk to Amy's roommate remember she had offered
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up her apartment to allow a young woman to move in with her who had a child and it seems to be according to her family
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they this was really Amy helping somebody out this was not a roommate in the sense that the roommate was sharing
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in the responsibilities of the apartment paying for the apartment this was somebody that she was helping out now
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investigators talked to this roommate according to what I could find she did pass she took and passed a polygraph
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exam and was ruled out as a suspect she told investigators that she did not recognize the medallion the necklace
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that we spent so much time talking about yesterday that was found wrapped around
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Amy's wrist but that's a little strange to me in a sense that we now know that it did belong to Amy but again I guess
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they only lived there for like three weeks so could it be been an oversight on her part likely right the family Amy
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Hooper's family is somewhat suspicious of this roommate they tell us that she quote happened just happened to leave
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for Florida the night before Amy was killed and they believed that she knows more than what she is willing to say or
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what she told investigators well this what gets difficult for us and then Amy's family is
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that DNA that or they claim they're testing people to clear them whose this DNA from as far as like is it even
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connected to Amy or is it connected to this roomie and so there could be relationships that she is
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not telling the police about and that would be shady right right and that's the thing that I think that the family
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is suspicious of I don't think that the family has any belief that the roommate killed Amy I believe that it's it could
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be simply something as maybe the roommates boyfriend had something to do with it or somebody that she knew their
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their statement to me was plain and simple we're suspicious of her we think that it's quite convenient that she just
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happened to go to Florida the night before Amy was killed and then we believe that she knows more than what
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she's saying as far as police are concerned she has been ruled out now we don't know if this was because of DNA
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testing or if it's simply that they can prove that she was in Florida when she says she was in Florida riddle me this
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Batman how does somebody that can't afford to get her own place and is using the help of a 20 year old how does this
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individual have the funds to go to Florida I mean that would be my big question I don't want to make any
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inferences here but my thought is that we might be thinking of this as a vacation I'm thinking it's probably more
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of a move my guess because what I do know from the investigation is that the police did have a hard time they had a
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tough time finding this roommate initially see that makes it even more shady to me like it would be different
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if she moved let's say it wasn't for vacation it was just for for a move that you would think that she would have
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heard about this girl that helped her out she would about her death and then got in contact
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with the police so that's even more suspicious in my mind it could be I see what you're saying there I there's a
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chance she may have had no way of knowing you know what I mean we don't know the the circumstances of her going
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to Florida right so I think I think when you start to make inferences you can assume different things but we might not
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be on the right track there them having trouble tracking her down may just be something as simple as she was had
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fallen on hard times knew someone in Florida who was offering her a place to stay and she found a way to get down
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there right and stayed there for a while her her being hard to track down may not
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be because of any of her own efforts it just may be happenstance but what we do know is the police seem to believe that
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she is not a suspect that she has been ruled out as having any possible involvement I agree with the family
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though it's a weird set of set of circumstances right yeah and they have the right to be suspicious and and I
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think it's also I'm you can put a little weight look Amy helped you out we're gonna put a little weight on you for you
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to kind of present it to me that I shouldn't be suspicious of you mm-hmm does that make sense right and so I
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don't know seems a little little fishy now remember we said how close Amy was with her family specifically her sister
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sandy now one thing that Amy I'm sorry sandy tells us all of these years later when this is something that she's told
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others along the way is something that she has always been very concerned about in the weeks prior to Amy's death Amy
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called Sandy a few times complaining about a young man who wouldn't quote leave her alone this was someone that
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was in her group of friends in Amy's group of friends but according to what Amy's telling sandy she believed this
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guy wanted more and wouldn't leave her alone right he continued to bug her and wouldn't take no for
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an answer you say he's younger so she's 20 how old is this I just said a young man okay so we don't know if he's
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younger or older than the name II what we do know is he was in her group of friends I'm assuming they're roughly the
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same age and has have they had any of the friends come forward and say this is the individual that says his name so we
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could at least question him and test his DNA okay well there's some issue with this individual okay okay
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in Sandy's opinion his behavior rose to the level of harassment or even stalking
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yeah and mind you this is just what she's going off of from what her sisters telling I know all about that these days
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so she tells Amy that you should file an official complaint against this guy right Amy tells her I'm not going to
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file an official complaint because this guy is connected and connected yes it turns out that he is the son of the
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Columbus Police Chief hmm so his DNA from what I could find has never been tested in Amy's case how convenient
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yeah Wow that's a twist and but it's strange because it seems like the cops are putting in the work seems like the
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cops are there different departments though true we have Franklin County Sheriff's Department is investigating
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Amy Hooper's murder but sometimes this individual at the time is the son of the Columbus Police Department's police
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chief right not the current she correct but at the time but sometimes these departments don't like each other so
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wouldn't it be well that's what I told somebody so somebody on the outside looking in on
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this case right a friend of mine Jessica she has helped with this case and helped
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with some other cases in the past and she asked me she said Nick you're from the area I need your opinion on
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something because I found a suspect and I knew exactly who she was talking about
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but I wanted to hear what she had to say and so she tells me who this suspect is
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he she goes the what I'm finding is he's the son of the police chief at the time
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and I said yeah I'm aware of that mm-hmm and she said well what's your opinion would would there be good reason for
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Franklin County to sweep this under the rug and not make a move on this guy because his father is the police chief
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of Columbus and I said look I don't have any super insider information on that kind of stuff but being a local I can't
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really cite one incident where I remember something like that going down I actually can cite a few incidences
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where I believe there to be somewhat of bad blood between the two yeah so you'd think this would be a gotted moment
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hey let's bring this son of a [ __ ] in for questioning and and let's see what how his story
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checks out maybe we can test his DNA mhm and then we could get to the bottom of it and if we have this if we have this
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son of a [ __ ] on our radar do we have I mean this is you know many years have passed my friend so has he done any
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crimes that are even remotely close to this know that we're aware of no so I don't believe so
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so a complete clean record maybe a parking ticket I can't say that with 100% certainty and and I will tell you
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why okay because the the end which individual this is is not super clear as far as public knowledge goes okay but
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and this this will make sense once I say this to you okay the police chief has two sons so those aren't clear which son
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right as far as public knowledge goes it's one of the two now only people on the
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insider on the inside circles would know which one it was okay or one that was being suspected of this or some type of
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involvement regarding the family who passed this tip along to to me they did they do not know which one it would have
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been either it wanted to take too much to get the DNA from both of them and then have that tested against well it
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would take a warrant and I think that that's these you need a warrant to get somebody's cup no better drinking out of
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a cup they're smoking a cigarette you know and get the cigarette but you go test that do you need a warrant for that
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in fact you might you actually might need that now now I I don't want to go too far into that because that's not
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those are semantics that I don't know or understand right I do know in DNA cases
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that we've talked about before that have been solved they did have warrants for that to go about doing that that's a way
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to make sure that it doesn't fall through by the time you get to court now if you go and you steal this guy's DNA
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sample somehow they may say well you can't use this in court and oh the only bit of information you have is the DNA
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matched well now that's that's inadmissible you can't use that in court right right so you've lost your whole
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case so the thing is what what I'm pointing out here is I don't see a situation where anyone has gone mmm
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we're not going to talk to this guy because this is the job that his father has I see a situation where we have
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people a suspect a potential suspect I want to be very clear about that this is all just rumor we have a guy that could
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be a potential suspect but from law enforcement perspective they're probably going you know it that we've reached out
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and tried to talk to this guy he probably lawyer DUP he probably has a lawyer that says what's your evidence
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we're not going to go in there and do any questioning what's your evidence oh you can't tell us you can't specifically
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link my guy to your crime to your murder well we're not going to talk to you oh you want DNA to clear my my
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client right well we're not gonna we're not gonna issue that either unless you have a warrant so well then on top of
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that you have somebody that can help him stay out of the system as far as prints
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possibly prints possibly DNA as far as I'm sure his father now is a former law enforcement so but still they know
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people so let's just say one of these individuals got a DUI or something you know a cop can call in some favors so
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maybe that's possibly another reason why they're not in the system and do we have
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any clue of when the last time they took this DNA and ran it through the system to see if individual has been arrested
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yes I've spoke to the cold-case detective okay a couple of times and the family has stayed in contact with the
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cold-case detective Amy Hoover's family has stayed in contact and from what I've
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the information that's been presented to me is that they have you're gonna like this they have not only DNA on this case
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but there this is not a situation where they have questionable DNA this is not a
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case where they're like concerned of running out of the evidence this is a situation where they have very good DNA
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cheers everybody hope everybody's having a good week cheers to you captain here's
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another thing cheers to technology we have said on this show repeatedly that we are living
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in the Golden Age of solving cold cases thanks to DNA technology that's going on
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today and that wouldn't be possible without computers that's right and while I don't understand science and
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how it works I certainly understand computers and also very opinionated on books that you read that's right
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hey so regarding this case in particular we were talking about the DNA okay I am
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of a firm belief from from information that's been presented to me that not only do they have good DNA evidence
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against the perpetrator of this murder but they have such good DNA that they do not mind testing it from time to time
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according to the detective I've been told that they test it every few years to see if it matches anyone who's been
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put into the system and we also know that they've used it multiple times throughout the course of the years
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throughout the course of the decades to clear some individuals that they were looking at as potential suspects right
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but we don't know how they got the DNA or what the DNA is from blood semen whatever well this is one of those cases
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where look we don't know if there was a sexual assault okay according to what police have told
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the media in the newspapers they're unclear about that there they've never said that there was one or that there
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wasn't one right so we don't know that information according to Amy's family who we've
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spoke to they're a mixed bag okay a couple of them think maybe that that could be a possibility and others think
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that it did that was not the situation but one thing we can consider is we do know a knife was involved and one thing
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that we've talked about several times on this show is that usually when a knife is involved sometimes the offender cuts
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themselves yeah you get that old slippery hand and not only was a knife involved but we know that the knife was
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found at the scene so there's a chance that they've pulled the DNA from that knife and that the offender cut himself
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in the act of killing her I personally hope that he cut himself a whole bunch of times yeah seems like a oil versed
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ball fiddler in regards to the police chief's son I want to be very clear about something here when we talk about
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that situation because I do not want to get ourselves into any hot water with information that we do not know because
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you and I talk to people that work for Columbus Police Department yeah we don't want people showing up to our house well
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and rods and I know individuals and have friends that work for the Columbus Police Department so I do not want to
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throw out there that's a humble brag I do not want to throw out there that we are assuming that the police chief
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covered anything up for his son right this very well could be a situation if this individual is in fact involved at
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all if they were involved there's a good chance that his father knew nothing about this right okay there there are
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many bad son's out there that do bad things and their parents are never aware of it at all yes sorry dad
00:35:03
so the other thing I want to talk about is another possible theory that was presented to me by the family and this
00:35:11
was a theory regarding Amy's job in her position at the leather store she had actually told Amy told her mother and
00:35:23
heard now so her mother has since remarried remember they were going through a divorce at the time of her
00:35:30
death and she was having dinner with her mother and her her mother's now husband
00:35:37
a short time before she was killed and one story she was telling her mother was that there there was some struggle
00:35:47
within her circle of friends or coworkers and what that struggle was Amy had knowledge that individuals were
00:35:55
either stealing from the store or were planning to do so and they were trying to get her involved in this or at least
00:36:02
turn and look the other way Lululemon murders and Amy seemed very upset about this Amy was not going to
00:36:13
one be involved and two she was not going to look the other way yeah what we do know about Amy's
00:36:20
timeline from what she told her mother there was a scheduled manager's meeting at her work the day that she was
00:36:28
murdered yeah maybe that's what they're going to go over in the meeting it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure
00:36:33
out that was one of these guys or one of these people that were stealing from the
00:36:38
store and these could be expensive items too yeah leather jackets yeah you know what 300 bucks for a leather jacket or
00:36:46
more yeah million well never owned one it doesn't take it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that there's a
00:36:54
chance that somebody may have wanted to silence Amy Hooper yeah we like like I said I mean we've a little bit of a
00:37:05
different situation but look at the Lululemon murders then it's the same type of thing somebody is
00:37:13
found caught stealing you know mmm Jane's Addiction style well but think about this too so this individual let's
00:37:22
say it was somebody that worked with her what can we gather from that one they would they would know what time she
00:37:29
would have to be at work so from that they can go back and probably figure out what time she would be home I don't know
00:37:36
that they would know for a fact that she was home alone but really this is what I
00:37:41
picture here captain we could have a holly brenigan situation remember we talked about that case where a young
00:37:49
girl she was what 17 at the time she was stabbed to death in her kitchen when she
00:37:55
was home alone you know in the theory that we presented there was that her some guy that she was seeing at the time
00:38:03
thought that she may be pregnant with his baby right and we put out a theory that there
00:38:11
was evidence to believe that his father may have gone to Holly's home with the intention of talking to her and talking
00:38:21
her out of keeping the baby yeah and when that conversation did not go the way he wanted it he lost it went
00:38:28
off the rails and attacked Holly and killed her there in her kitchen so now you have to wonder do we have a
00:38:36
situation here where it's very similar we have somebody stealing from work that's either trying to get her involved
00:38:42
or trying to get Amy to look the other way shows up to her apartment friendly knock on the door right yeah we have
00:38:51
police saying that they believe that Amy opened up the door that either she let the killer into her apartment or at the
00:38:58
very least opened up the door and then this individual confronts her and tries to persuade her to not turn him in to
00:39:08
not bring him up at the managers meeting right and I turned in his wife and she doesn't go along with that and he loses
00:39:20
it goes off the rails and attacks her yeah could be similar situation the other thing though too is we have another
00:39:27
situation we talked about Christie merica on this show whoo-hoo an individual became infatuated with her
00:39:33
followed her back to her home was there in the early morning hours broke into the home or or or simply just opened up
00:39:42
the door and attacked her there so we have two very similar situations two cases that we've covered before in the
00:39:49
past the other thing too regarding the door regarding her front door that I've always kind of questioned here we can't
00:39:59
be certain that the door was even locked right you brought up the opportunity the
00:40:03
the opportunist the opportunity killer right of somebody that just happened to spot this
00:40:09
attractive young woman follows her home or sees her approaching her apartment realizes that she's alone and decides
00:40:17
maybe he decides I'll just go check the door oh it's not locked and welcomes himself in yeah well this case has not
00:40:26
only does it have a situation it has a poly D as a as a Ron Ron juice it has a JWoww Anna Snooky but I think you also
00:40:36
can't rule out this idea that she opened up the door because she just knew somebody this is also a different time
00:40:44
knock knock on the door you open it up you just don't feel threatened and you and you say oh and it could be a
00:40:53
stranger and that's how they get access and yeah there's no proof that they pushed her down and push her through the
00:41:00
door but what if it was just they said a couple things enough to get in the door
00:41:05
because this person we have evidence was at least willing to help out not even a
00:41:14
known friend not like a best friend but let's say acquaintances single mom acquaintances she said come come live
00:41:23
with me to get on your feet so I think this somebody somebody like that is more susceptible to to somebody gaining
00:41:36
access well no that's a very good point we have Amy's mother who who said to us that she
00:41:44
isn't convinced that Amy didn't just leave her door unlocked that she may have been young enough and naive enough
00:41:50
that maybe or just forgetful enough she left the front door unlocked well if we carry that thought mother's
00:41:58
intuition if we carry that thought a step further well maybe the door was locked somebody
00:42:03
knocked on the door we don't have any reason to believe that she wouldn't have just opened up the door with that
00:42:09
without having any proof of who it was on the other side and right yeah and that's what makes this case difficult
00:42:17
but what gives you hope is the amount of DNA evidence that they have that they can continue to test that one day this
00:42:25
case is gonna get solved well remember what I told you so we do a weekly meeting behind you know behind the
00:42:33
scenes meeting where we talk about upcoming cases in cases that we would like to cover and maybe reasons why we
00:42:40
should cover those cases and when I brought up hey me Amy Hooper's case and I and I said to you I want to cover this
00:42:48
and it's been sitting on my shelf long enough that that it needs to be covered soon yeah and you've been able to talk
00:42:55
with our family which is been great her family's fantastic they've gone through something horrible they don't
00:43:01
have any answers and my heart my heart bleeds for them I mean I I cannot believe what they've been through here's
00:43:09
the thing though here's where I can offer hope is that when I told you on the phone in one of our meetings I said
00:43:18
not only do we need to cover it because this case is close to us in proximity but it also has some closeness in our
00:43:25
our families and in our friends lives you know we're from somewhat the same area there are some of the circles we're
00:43:33
the same I mean my mother worked at the same school as Amy's mother one we've always said that it's important to find
00:43:41
cases that were passionate about but also can we help at all and can we move the needle at all
00:43:49
and really by talking about some of these cases they can generate new leads so I've the fact that you were
00:43:57
passionate about it and it's just a case that nobody's ever heard of outside of Columbus well the other thing that I
00:44:05
told you too is they said not only do I believe this case will be solved I mean I want to be clear about this I'm beyond
00:44:15
belief at this point this case will 100% be solved all right I'm giving you a kernel
00:44:23
guarantee you're a spicy or crispy that this thing will be solved and I tell you
00:44:28
why what we let in here with this segment with the golden age of DNA investigations computers they will find
00:44:36
this individual they have very good DNA evidence all they have to do okay you have you have two angles you can go
00:44:44
for here what you do is you go and you check for familial DNA you do that investigation you see if you can lock on
00:44:54
to the family tree of the perpetrator and then track down the perpetrator the other angle would be if that does not
00:45:03
give you the result that you're hoping for then at the very least you would have what we refer to as snapshot DNA
00:45:10
right which would provide you further explanation of who this offender likely is it's it's almost like a criminal
00:45:19
profile but in a sense that it's all physical and DNA makeup right so we would know for certain yeah if they have
00:45:29
this information if they can't pinpoint the exact individual we would know for certain the individuals gender we would
00:45:36
know their ethnic background their race we would know some things about their physical appearance that could take this
00:45:44
investigation to another level and that's where we are at with technology these days that could happen in this
00:45:51
case and I'm hoping and praying that it does well just imagine all the sweaty pieces of [ __ ] throughout the country
00:46:01
sweating sweating to the oldies because they know that this technology is out there yeah well you know what that's the
00:46:09
thing that I almost find you know you have to find a little bit of silver lining and some of this stuff we talked
00:46:17
about so many tragic stories and so many sad stories yeah on this show one thing
00:46:23
that does bring me a good amount of joy and almost something that I I kind of laugh at is that a lot of these guys
00:46:33
these these murderers that have been lucky enough okay they've they've just been lucky it's not because they're
00:46:43
smart it's not because of anything like that they've just been lucky that they've
00:46:47
been able to scrape by and not be detected yet none of them ever suspected the investigation would get to this
00:46:59
point that someday you won't be able to hide someday you won't be able to hide from the horrible horrible things that
00:47:08
you have done from the horrible person that you actually are and we will find you and you mentioned all those guys out
00:47:18
there that are sweating sweating to the oldies they're scared that they're going
00:47:22
to be found out this is a primary example this case will be a primary example for exactly how this technology
00:47:33
works and how it is used to lead them to the front door of the perpetrator of the
00:47:39
murderer who was able to scrape by and hide and remain in the shadows for all these years the individual might even
00:47:48
listen to these episodes might see his victims name on a computer and say you know what I'm gonna click on that right
00:47:57
I'm gonna see where the investigation is I'm gonna see what they're talking about
00:48:02
well the investigation is hunting you down right now that's where this is the DNA is so good in this case that they
00:48:14
we'll find you and it's only a matter of time before Franklin County Sheriff's Department starts using this actual
00:48:22
technology it's only a matter of time before it leads them directly to your front door now I do want to make sure
00:48:28
before we close out here today captain that we thank Amy Hooper's family yes who is still hurting all these years
00:48:36
later they still are missing their loved one their sister their daughter Amy's mother is still alive she's elderly at
00:48:45
this point they've moved away from the state of Ohio many years ago but her family remains active in her
00:48:56
investigation in this murder investigation they checked in with the Sheriff's Department and the Sheriff's
00:49:02
Department remains active on this investigation as well so I want to applaud her family for taking the time
00:49:09
to speak with us regarding this this cold case that we are definitely passionate about that means something to
00:49:15
us this is not something that has been lost this is not a story that's going to be swept under the rug this is something
00:49:22
that is going to get solved and we're here to remind people about it in the meantime
00:49:27
[Applause] Oh crispy kernels you know it's been a while since you got a little tipsy
00:49:40
well I'm dealing with some stuff that having a hard time dealing with so this is not a healthy way of dealing with it
00:49:50
but that's how I'm choosing to deal with it how about we do a little recommended
00:49:55
reading before we close out here today captain this is a fantastic book it's called my thirty years as an FBI
00:50:02
undercover agent all right it's the title is ghost my thirty years as an undercover FBI agent this is by Michael
00:50:10
McGowan and I didn't know this captain but only about 10% of FBI special agents are trained and certified to actually
00:50:19
work undercover now Michael McGowan has worked more than 50 undercover cases so he's been one of
00:50:28
the best check out his book ghost you don't have to write down that title or the author's name right now because we
00:50:35
will put that on our website for you with all of our other recommended reading books on our recommended page
00:50:41
just go to true crime garage comm and click on the recommended page yeah make sure you check out our bonus weekly
00:50:47
so-called off-the-record follow us on social media and all that good stuff and until next week be good be kind
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