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[Music] in 2017 Kelly Cochran a 34 year old woman gave the following statements during her testimony in an iron County
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Michigan courtroom Kelly told the court about her husband Jason Cochran she explained how he had
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physically abused her throughout their entire marriage and on numerous occasions he had held a gun to her head
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threatening to kill her speaking in regards to one of those occasions she said quote he put a gun to
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my head he was going to shoot me he was going to shoot himself he was going to just end it right there
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end quote Kelly went on explaining her marriage more and informing the court that she
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had cheated on her husband and she was having an affair with a man she had worked with Chris Regan
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she said on October 14 2014 her husband Jason went out with some friends so she invited Chris to
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come over and join her at her home Kelly and Chris were having sex when Jason returned home he walked in saw the
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two of them Chris on top of Kelly and Jason shot Chris in the back of the head and the two of them fell down the stairs
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in the middle of the ACT then just a short time later Jason told Kelly to fetch him in an electric cord
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so he could power a handsaw Jason then handed Kelly a pair of forceps and told her to remove the
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bullet from Chris's head Jason forced her to make him dinner he wanted a burger with fries
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while she was cooking for him Jason was dismembering Chris's body with the Sawzall in their basement
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Kelly said when he had cut him up Jason took one of Chris's hands and waved it at her adding that that would be the
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last time he would ever wave goodbye to her after mutilating the body Jason put the
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body parts into several trash bags and told Kelly to help him carry them she would not she told the court I
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didn't care if he shot me right there but I wasn't carrying those bags saying quote I wasn't going to be part of him
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being treated like garbage Jason and Kelly hid Chris's remains in a wooded area near pantoga Trail in
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Crystal Falls Michigan Kelly said she only helped him because if not Jason was planning on dissolving
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the body using acid and then Chris's body would never be found so Kelly suggested that location
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thinking it was a high traffic area and he would likely be discovered on the stand she was asked if she felt
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guilty and Kelly said yes because if he Chris if he would have never been in a relationship with me he'd be here
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[Music] Chris Carl Regan was a fun-loving divorce father of two grown boys Chris
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found his love for the outdoors when he was stationed at K.I Sawyer Air Force Base it was a great place for hiking
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camping and all types of cycling activities he loved and passed on to his two sons
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Chris was 53 years old he had an on and off again relationship with a woman named Terry O'Donnell they
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first met in the 80s this was an on-again and off-again relationship that lasted until 2014 but even when they
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were off again Chris and Terry remained close Chris's Sons said that Chris was the
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type of friend and father that always answered phone calls and returned text and when they didn't hear from him for a
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week they knew something was wrong on October 27 2014 Terry O'Donnell went to the police and reported Chris is
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missing Chief Laura frizzo took the report Terry made sure to let the police chief
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know that Chris was not depressed or suicidal in fact Chris was excited he was getting ready to move out of town
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and start a new job in Asheville North Carolina in November it already started to pack for his new
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adventure and the pair planned to remain close even after the move they had made plans to visit each other
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during the holidays so weird thing here Colonel is that Terry didn't know where Chris was but she knew where Chris's car
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was yeah seems a little strange we have Chris's sons who say it was over a week since they had heard from their father
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and then Terry told the police chief that she could take her to the car to Chris's car which was sitting at a
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nearby park and ride so police went to this vehicle and sure enough it was Chris's car later the
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police ran a check on Chris's bank accounts finding that the last time that he had used his bank card was about two
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weeks prior to the reporting of him missing Chris used his band card at a local gas station around 4 pm on October
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14th Chief Rizzo went to the gas station observed the security footage from the 14th and she saw Chris driving his car
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pumping gas he was traveling alone and nothing appeared out of the ordinary and when Chris drove off and left the gas
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station nobody was following him when police had found Chris's car they found two interesting items one Chris's
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knee brace they were informed that he wouldn't go long without wearing it so this is not a positive find
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the other item was a sticky note left on the passenger seat and on it was a local
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address and police are going to check with Chris's work and they find out that Chris hasn't been to work in two weeks
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yeah and while they're there they're going to ask if there's you know you ask these people is there anything that we
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should be aware of anything of importance uh in regards to Chris and why we might not be able to find him
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well at some point they're told that Chris is having an affair with a co-worker this is a married woman named
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Kelly Cochran the address on the sticky note in Chris's car was Kelly's home address so
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of course police went to the home of Kelly Cochran and her husband Jason Cochran and they brought them in for
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questioning and this question was a little odd to say say the least right yeah yeah I agree it's not so much the
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the questioning that I find odd it's more of the answers that we end up getting because they do what you would
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you would expect in any situation like this they take in two people now they're not under arrest for anything at this
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point nor should they be they're just being asked to answer some questions and these might be tough questions and we
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want to get good honest answers and be able to fact check some of these things so when we bring in Kelly and her
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husband Jason we're going to separate them we're going to put each one of them in a room by themselves and they're
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going to be interviewed separately they're going to be asked a lot of the same questions but along the way as they
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start telling us proportions of their story well we're going to let those questions
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adapt depending on what's going on in their version of the story first thing we want to know as investigators is why
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do we find this address your home address in this missing individual's vehicle well
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that's when Kelly comes clean and she says look we've been having an affair of course we know that the investigators
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already know about the affair at this time right from them his co-workers yeah so they're going to make the hard
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decision to ask Jason about the affair to which the husband states that he didn't like it but he was aware of it
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and that if he wanted to keep Kelly as his wife then he just kind of had to put up with it it was just something that he
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had to put up with apparently she had other uh Affairs throughout the course of their marriage all right so this is
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like a ongoing thing but it's just like a loud the open relationship sound I mean it
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almost sounds like it is well what it's not open relationship in the sense that what we gather from the questions here
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is that both people willingly admit to the extramarital affair uh Jason is aware of it uh both agree that they're
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not he's not entirely happy with it but that's what was going on in this situation and Kelly had stated that Not
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only was she having an extramarital affair but that Jason wouldn't do anything to harm either her or Chris
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as she stated that Chris meant the world to her and if anything happened to Chris
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even though that Jason didn't like this affair that Jason wouldn't do anything to Chris
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because it would really hurt Kelly and that Jason had been great throughout their entire marriage in fact he
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worshiped the ground that she walked on therefore he would never do anything to hurt Kelly right but she doesn't have a
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problem having this affair and hurting her husband yeah she was asked if Jason would be you know violent either towards
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her or to Chris and she stated that he was not a violent individual that he was at times
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depressed and maybe even suicidal at times but she was he was not what she would describe as a violent individual
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so the police are obviously taking a long look at Jason and Kelly Cochran Kelly because she was the one she was
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one of the last people to see Chris and we know this because she tells the investigators hey look he had been to my
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house before I had been to his house several times and it sounds to me like she was going
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to his house more often right and on the she says between the 12th and the 15th somewhere in that time range
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that she had gone to his house and they had had dinner together and she that was
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the last time that she had seen him so she's being looked at because we know that she is one of the last people to
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see Chris and then both of them are being looked at obviously because of this affair this has got to be a super
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weird situation I'm guessing for detectives because here we have this couple okay now how do we how do we
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explore this how do we look at this do we look at it as we have two suspects working together
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or do we have one suspect and the other person doesn't know what's going on either way we have two people that are
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very interesting in this investigation into this missing individual yeah I mean or the fact that they might have nothing
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to do with the situation true so then we have police search their home and this is what the FBI
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and this takes place in March of 2015. now they find no obvious sign of Chris or of murder but while they're there
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They seized two guns the couple's cell phones and their computers this search though would have a huge
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impact because Kelly and Jason were spooked by this so much so that they packed up and they moved to Merrillville
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and Lake County Indiana how far away do you know I don't know the exact distance
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but we're talking about a move from North Michigan to I believe this is north West Indiana right so so at least stayed
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away right and I think the the important thing here is the cochrons moved quickly
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so this is one of those running out of town in the middle of the night situation the cochrons move like
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cockroaches and I'm pretty certain that they moved in with Jason's mother but they did leave pretty much
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everything behind when they fled Michigan their Furniture was still in the house food was still there just
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about everything apparently Jason even left his marijuana plants behind hmm now despite speaking with the couple back in
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2014 after learning of the extramarital affair detectives said the Regan case had eventually gone cold so we have the
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single father of two and he was about ready to move and start a new life and now he's just
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disappeared from the face of the Earth yeah about three weeks before he could move down to North Carolina he vanishes
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his car turns up at this park and ride and there's little Clues to suggest what may have happened to him but police are
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well aware of his relationship with Kelly Cochran then on February 20th 2016 paramedics in
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Lake County Indiana responded to a 9-1-1 call on the call a woman stated that something was wrong with her husband and
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she needed help the woman did not know for sure what was wrong with her husband but she but he was sweating a lot and
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throwing up she said she needed an ambulance right away when paramedics arrived it was at the
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new home of Kelly and Jason Cochran Jason was unresponsive they tried desperately to revive him
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during the entirety of their time on site Kelly the wife that had called 9-1-1 could only be described as
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disruptive and she wouldn't leave the room despite their request for her to do so especially as they attempted to
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revive her husband Jason was pronounced dead and the cause of death was believed to be an overdose
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of heroin Kelly held a memorial service for her late husband and wrote on Facebook that his death was quote the
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hardest thing I have ever had to deal with but then someone tipped off the FBI saying that the couple were suspects in
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an unsolved Michigan missing persons case which could possibly actually be a murder case right this paired with
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Kelly's confusing and inconsistencies in her stories about what had happened to her husband the night that he had died
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and Kelly's defensiveness and evasiveness while all of these things were raising major red flags so a full
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autopsy was ordered and this revealed that Jason had not died from an overdose but from asphyxiation well surprise
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surprise yeah changing the cause of death from accidental overdose to homicide caused by asphyxia by
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strangulation right but you you would think that there was some drugs in his system well it was because sorry I
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didn't get to finish the cause of death it's uh by strangulation Complicated by heroin intoxication okay so the lead
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detective in Indiana this is detective Ogden he hatched a plan and I I love this kind of police work right here he
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hatched a plan with a tipster to make Kelly believe that her husband had left behind a letter that would
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expose their past actions so a phone call is made and there's a gentleman that's going to
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happen that sounds like such like a detective movie and then a phone call was made well the man working with the
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detective his name is Walt ammerman okay this is her deceased Kelly's deceased husband's very good friend according to
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Walt now during that phone call Walt tells Kelly he has a letter from her late husband that he had asked him to
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send to the Iron River Police Department if anything had happened to him investigating officers recorded this
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phone call now Kelly asked the man not to send the letter but ultimately told him that he was going to have to do what
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he had to do Walt tells her that he intended to mail the letter to the police department
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later she asked Walt if he had mailed it he said that he had she asked what was in it and Walt told her he did not open
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it well this prompted Kelly to call Indiana detective Ogden she said she had something to tell him and this is wild
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Captain because her story is going to change dramatically you think yeah well she tells detective Ogden that that
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Jason had caught her and Chris together had caught the two of them having sex and she witnessed
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Jason kill Chris but keep in mind meanwhile back in Michigan police are still working the
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case but they have no body they still have not found Chris's remains right but with his car being found and the
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information they found in the car I mean her story lines up with what possibly could have happened well let's do a
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quick little recap here because there's a lot of moving around in this story and
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it can get confusing so in 2014 we have Chris Regan who goes missing in Michigan
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then once the couple Jason and Kelly Cochran are questioned they leave the state of Michigan and about a year and a
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half later Jason Cochran dies now after his death the ruling of his death has changed from an overdose to homicide
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then we have Kelly Cochran who is now in constant interaction with the Indiana Detective now after this letter this
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this letter phone call goes down she is going to call the Indiana detective and she wants to know why this letter was
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sent what was in the letter she's she's pretty consumed with this letter and that's when she says that guess what
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I know we told people in Michigan we didn't know anything about Chris's disappearance but what actually happened
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was we were having sex and my husband came in and had shot Chris Regan [Music] foreign
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers all right Captain nine weeks after Jason Cochran
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had died the Michigan authorities decided they were ready to charge Kelly Cochran with Chris's death now Kelly had
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been let's say working with the detective in Indiana up to this point but just like her and Jason had fled
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Michigan Kelly decided she was going to flee Indiana well and think about this now Captain
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this is not the same situation because now Kelly technically being charged with a murder or with The Disappearance up in
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Michigan this is a wanted woman okay so detective Ogden well he likes a good game of chess as we
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saw with his clever creation of that fake letter we would later learn that that whole letter thing was just a ruse
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it was a pretty intelligent idea it's a great idea and this time he tracks pings
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on Kelly's cell phone in April of 2016. so Kelly is located in the state of Kentucky and she's arrested by U.S
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Marshals and the Kentucky State Police and Wingo Kentucky following her arrest Kelly was interrogated by both Michigan
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and Indiana Law Enforcement well let's focus on her possible involvement into Chris's death her boyfriend or her her
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lover okay well Captain I have to point out this story is very tricky to cover and very tricky to research for many
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reasons okay first off we have the ever-changing stories of Kelly Cochran and I don't know why I've seen this in
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several cases not often but seen this in several cases and it seems like a strange kind of Defense to put up to try
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to convince law enforcement that you're innocent or didn't have much involvement
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in something or at least didn't have control over a crime or murder and what I mean is the ever-changing
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stories so basically what Kelly does is that she throws you one story and she's going to
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see if you bite and if you don't bite and you don't believe her she's very happy to throw you another story or a
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slightly different version of that last story that she gave you and she's willing to just keep doing this and
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doing this and doing this until you settle on a story now the thing here though is what she will do from time to
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time is she will point out reasons why she might be willing to come forward about having
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more of a personal involvement and in the crime that took place then the previous story that she gave you okay so
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each story she's a little more involved and then also she does this other thing too where she will just throw out these
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crazy stories that on the surface and when you're first presented with them seem like possibilities but it could
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just be her playing mind games with you well and that's pretty strange too because you see a lot of times when
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somebody confesses um to a crime that they'll start every time they start confessing
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they'll backpedal so they're less involved well that's what's so great about this
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letter this this whole letter ruse that was come up by the Indiana detective okay so basically you have a situation
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where Kelly Cochran and her husband Jason are question about The Disappearance of Chris and they say look
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yeah we saw him we had some kind of relationship with him we had some uh personal interaction with this guy but
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we had nothing to do with his disappearance we don't know where he is or what could have happened to him
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and then after the creation of this letter all of a sudden Kelly is saying a whole different story
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we were having an affair that much was true we've already agreed on that part but in this version of the story they
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are caught and Jason basically executes Chris right in front of Kelly yeah and then her dismembers him yeah and here's
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the other crazy thing Captain remember how nice Kelly said that her husband was yeah and you know he worshiped the
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ground that I walked on and he would never do anything to hurt me hurting Chris meant hurting me and he would
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never do that all of a sudden here's the story this guy's an abusive husband I was
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scared to death of this guy he killed Chris and I didn't tell anybody about it because I was afraid of
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my husband right all the while she keeps asking detectives both in Michigan and Indiana what was in that letter what was
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in that letter from my husband to his friend that his friend did not open up and that he sent to you guys I wanted to
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see that letter let me see that letter right the detective Ogden the guy that created the letter mm-hmm
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he basically he just goes he created the idea of the letter right yeah right and
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he came up with it and I tell you what Jason's old friend Walt he sold it great on that phone call man he sold it great
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to Kelly and she bought it she bought every bit of it she ate it up to the point where she keeps asking to
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see this letter detective Ogden gets like aggressive with her during The Question he's like you don't get to see
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the letter gives her one of those you can't handle the truth yeah yeah you know what I was talking with somebody a
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couple weeks ago and they were asking me remember the old Felix Vail case that we
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covered with our friend Gina Who pretended to be an insurance adjuster and took pictures of his place and got
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to know him and know some personal things about him yeah she also pretended to be somewhat romantically interested
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yes slightly interested in this guy somebody asked me said uh don't you think that's kind of operating in the
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gray area of law enforcement I said I love when they operate if you think that's gray fine to me I think it's
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black and white these criminals do things behind closed doors under the cover of Darkness we're just leveling
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out the playing field a little bit I'm totally fine with that guy Felix Avail believing that Gina was from the
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insurance company well I'm totally fine with Kelly Cochran believing that there was a letter sent from her dead husband
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yeah I wouldn't say that's in the gray area I mean that that's within the law I think that's creative within the law
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you're exactly right as long as they're playing within the confines of the law it's all fair game right and remember I
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wanted to start that that show where we dress up like clowns and we go take people hostage and try to
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get them to confess to crimes we couldn't get anybody to buy that show yeah because it's illegal I found out
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later it's illegal to do that well Captain her story is going to continue to change and she's not going
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to get to see this letter that she wants to see so badly but now all of a sudden
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Jason is this monster that she was married to that she had been afraid of okay so let's follow Kelly's story all
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right she says that her and Jason her husband they started dating shortly after high school then they moved in
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together in 2001 Jason proposed to her she thought Jason was quote the love of her life
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so she accepted and they got married in 2002. according to Kelly Jason was two very different people after their
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marriage sometimes he was the man that she loved but other times she said that she saw the eyes of the monster in him
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and that their relationship devolved into verbal abuse and physical threats a couple was married for 13 years they
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didn't have any kids Jason had some kind of physical trouble he was injured I believe it was some
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kind of injury that he had suffered suffered at work and so at some point in their marriage he was unable to work
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Kelly and Chris became heavily involved at some point and it's been reported that they were
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getting together as many times as four or five times a week now Kelly said that jealousy in her marriage was was getting
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very bad well of course you're having an extramarital affair why would it not be
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according to Kelly on October 13 2014 Jason and Kelly came up with a plan to quote save their marriage and this was
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to kill Chris Regan inside of their home and they would implement this plan on the next day
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so Kelly lured Chris to their home then when Jason quote caught them supposedly caught them right Chris with
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his wife he shot him in the head with a 22 caliber gun the cochranes then set about
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dismembering Chris's body then they divided Chris's body between garbage bags and threw the bags into the woods
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now Kelly was able to direct investigators to a desolate stretch of Michigan Woods where they did discover
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evidence of these alleged crimes including a human skull with an apparent Bullet Hole bones and Bone fragments
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police also recovered a 22 caliber rifle and a 22 caliber bullet and a pair of glasses at this scene but hold on to
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your horse people because this story is going to get a little more Twisted because at this point she's going to
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start telling law enforcement that Jason not only you know killed Chris but he's
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a serial killer yeah she claims that Chris before killing Chris Jason had killed other individuals
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and that he had even kept some trophies from these kills to which she had confiscated them or he had hid them I'm
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a little uncertain as to the details of that but for whatever reason these trophies
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ended up roughly in the same location as Chris's body Okay so so all of a sudden Jason is a serial
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killer and she provides some potential victim names and very little detail or information regarding these crimes that
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she's saying happened she gives this information to detectives well here's the problem you now have this woman in
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your custody who very likely and very soon should be charged with two potential homicides now you're handed this list of
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other victims in in a whole uh Buffet of potential other crimes this could really mess up your
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investigation the thing here is Oh Captain these detectives they're too smart they
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realized early on the games that Kelly wanted to play my boy's Wicked smart that's right and they realize these
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games and they realized that these were just things that were thrown at them to try to screw up the investigation and
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they were smart enough to say you know what let's take what we have in front of us right now let's take this individual
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that we think killed two people let's deal with this first and we can always come back to these items and look into
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them later so they decide to pursue charges against Kelly Cochran and in in Indiana Kelly would be charged with the
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death of her husband then in Michigan she was facing charges related to Chris's death this is included homicide
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and assisting her husband to mutilate the face remove or carry away a portion of a dead body and concealing the death
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of an individual Kelly pled not guilty to all charges while she initially claimed that she
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wanted to defend herself at trial she did eventually relent and she asked for assistance from a public defender
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so at some point she wanted to be her own lawyer early on she wanted to be her own lawyer that's correct now the
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prosecution the attorney gave the jury copies of her presentation which included copies of text messages sent by
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Kelly to both her husband and the victim Christopher Regan now what's weird here
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Captain is that they were able to prove that Kelly Cochran was okay so Chris was communicating with Jason according
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to their cell phones right around the time that they believe Chris was murdered so they actually think that what was
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happening was that Kelly was using Chris's phone to communicate with Jason this likely went down when they were
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moving the vehicle moving Chris's vehicle from their home and placing it at the park and ride
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and then we also have the situation of they could have gone to his home at some point it's a little unclear if they if
00:34:26
they actually did it suspected that they may have during the opening comments Kelly's
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defense lawyer said that Kelly's husband was solely behind the murder and that his client was acting out of fear for
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her own life even though she already confessed to being involved well that's what's so confusing about this case
00:34:49
Captain like I said she gave story after Story during closed-door meetings with law enforcement and then when we go back
00:34:56
and we review the the trial I believe the trial lasted almost three weeks when we reviewed the trial
00:35:04
She lays out a little bit of of a pretty solid defense okay and and solid in the
00:35:09
sense of it's now one story and the story is this that her husband her deceased husband was
00:35:19
guilty was the sole murderer of Chris and that she was afraid for her life so whatever her involvement was it was out
00:35:28
of fear from her husband who had abused her for years and I'll tell you what the prosecution
00:35:36
was absolutely brilliant because they questioned every statement that Kelly gave Kelly was on the stand I think
00:35:46
but she was on the stand for a long time I mean maybe two complete days maybe even three but they allowed her to lay
00:35:54
out her story and then they went back through man and they poked holes in every bit of it that's a strong bladder
00:36:00
well one thing that I think was interesting uh was was one simple line of questioning
00:36:09
when she time and time again explained how afraid she was of her husband stating
00:36:16
things like he would often he always carried loaded guns in the house and he was an excellent Marksman was a complete
00:36:23
psychopath that's abusive and he's a serial killer so why wouldn't she be afraid well and she claims that he
00:36:29
threatened to shoot her in the head like 20 times with this being with a gun to her head she also claims that he fired
00:36:37
shots at her at one point and that he only missed because he wanted to because he was an excellent Marksman honestly
00:36:44
I'm such a smart mouth that you know if um my wife said I'm going to shoot you in
00:36:49
the head 20 times I'd say ah joke's on you I'm only going to feel fill one of those but these are 12 20 separate
00:36:57
incidences oh yeah the threat wasn't I'm going to shoot you in the head 20 times
00:37:01
that he threatened her 20 different times with a gun to her head so I am a little slow today well here's here's a
00:37:08
big problem so the prosecution questioned Kelly this is a great question they said so just to
00:37:14
be clear for the jury you were so afraid of your husband that you decided to go out and have an affair
00:37:23
you were you were afraid for your life all these years of your marriage from your husband and so your your result is
00:37:31
you go out and have an affair something that would many people have been killed because of Affairs on top of that going
00:37:38
out for an affair maybe not that bad maybe you're not so scared but you bring the guy over to your house yeah
00:37:45
according to Kelly he had been there three times before before this incident you must say we're traveling yeah
00:37:52
trembling hey why don't you come on over and that's what's great when you see her
00:37:56
on the stand and when she's being cross-examined by the prosecution uh her story just doesn't hold up there's
00:38:04
there's so many things about her story like saying we always had loaded he always walked around with loaded guns
00:38:10
inside the house well he threatened me one time and he actually pulled the trigger well what happened well the gun
00:38:16
wasn't loaded that time I thought you said the guns were always loaded well not on this occasion
00:38:22
right you know and he was an excellent Marksman and he even fired shots at me but I got lucky and they missed it was
00:38:28
about two inches from my head well I thought you said he was an excellent Marksman well he missed because he
00:38:33
wanted to miss that's how good of a shot he was so she has an answer for everything it's
00:38:39
not always the right answer well right but if you're lying about every answer you can come up with a answer
00:38:46
well and the other thing that she was questioned about was her unwillingness to help during the
00:38:53
ordeal and even after her husband is dead her lack of emotion during the investigation her unwillingness to help
00:39:01
the investigation after her husband is dead these are all things that just don't
00:39:06
they don't help her story to ring true at any time yeah and the biggest red flag here for me what you stated in the
00:39:13
beginning is when they called in that Chris was missing when they found his car and then they question these two
00:39:21
individuals they're gonna sit and question Jason and Kelly but here's a big red flag in separate
00:39:29
rooms so now you're in the police department and this guy killed your lover right
00:39:37
right and you're in separate rooms surrounded by police officers if you're so afraid of the guy
00:39:44
that's when you say hey this guy's a killer he's a serial killer I can prove that he did this lock him up protect me
00:39:54
I agree with you 100 and guess what there are going to be people out there that would say but she was let's let's
00:40:01
say she was afraid you know then I can understand why she didn't say anything no if if you get one chance to save your
00:40:09
ass this is it because from this moment on we might be able to protect you from this moment on
00:40:16
we might be able to lock him up right or at the very least we might be able to put you somewhere and keep him away from
00:40:23
you and while we build a case against this guy and I think the thing too is that if you give law enforcement that
00:40:29
chance and again he could get arrested and the police could say she had nothing to do
00:40:36
with you getting arrested you know so I I don't know that that was her chance if
00:40:41
what she's saying had any truth to it that's what you would have done and again there's going to be people that
00:40:48
come out and say well this person was physically abused and verbally abused and and and they feel bad for
00:40:57
but I don't we don't even know if that was true right you know for all I don't know of any police reports of him being
00:41:04
arrested for beating her up well and here's the other thing captain and with Kelly's story
00:41:12
like you said you if she truly was a victim on any level on any level at all you want to know and you want to
00:41:21
weigh that with the circumstances right yeah so we have the the original investigator this is Chief friso Laura
00:41:31
frizzo she's the one that originally took the missing persons report of Chris back in 2014. she was part of what she
00:41:39
referred to as two field trips that she took with Kelly Cochran after cochrane's
00:41:45
arrest to this area looking for the remains and Laura said on the stand that all the
00:41:52
while she was still looking for reasons and looking for evidence that would back
00:41:57
up Kelly's version of the story and that Kelly was telling them some truth along
00:42:02
the way I think what we learn here and we know this from other cases and other uh murders
00:42:10
that how do you know that Kelly Cochran is lying it's pretty easy her mouth was moving her lips are moving
00:42:17
that's correct after 12 days of witnesses questions and testimony it was up to the jury to decide the Kelly
00:42:26
Cochran murder cases they would find Kelly guilty of murdering Chris Regan yeah in May of 2017 she is going to be
00:42:34
sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole this for the conviction of murdering Christopher
00:42:41
Regan her boyfriend and co-worker okay now we have a suit now now we have a situation Captain where
00:42:52
she's going to end up pleading guilty for killing her husband Jason Cochran right and for this she was sentenced to
00:43:00
65 years as part of the plea agreement and she did state to the media I will die in prison and I have accepted that
00:43:10
fate well no [ __ ] Sherlock I mean you committed murder you're going to die in prison well Kelly told the court that
00:43:18
she delivered an overdose of heroin to her husband and then proceeded to put her hands on his neck nose and mouth
00:43:26
until he died she states that this took about a minute okay and he was vomiting like she said
00:43:36
in the 9-1-1 call so basically she's putting her hand hands over his nose and mouth
00:43:43
and he's choking on his own fluids right at this point so she did give several different
00:43:52
versions of this story to law enforcement but this seems to be the one that would stick that they're going to
00:44:00
use for her plea agreement right okay and later she would say I still hate him and yes it was a Revenge killing she
00:44:10
stating that she evened the score that she was still mad at Jason for killing Chris and that's why she killed Jason
00:44:18
about a year and a half later well we know that she's a liar so but she did mention that Jason might have killed
00:44:26
other people I'm assuming that she's lying and when she says Jason Jason she's probably talking about herself
00:44:32
well that's what's weird because at another time she tells law enforcement that she is a serial killer and then she
00:44:39
may have killed as many as 21 people now the provisions of her plea agreement with the state of Indiana if Kelly
00:44:47
chooses she could later provide locations of other victims but this would be without any penalty so she
00:44:55
cannot be convicted for additional murders in the state of Indiana right however I don't want anybody to think
00:45:02
that anybody was lazy during the course of this investigation or during the course of Prosecuting Kelly Cochran I
00:45:10
from what I read and what I could find it looked like these investigators specifically the ones in Indiana worked
00:45:17
this case and not only worked this case extremely hard but outsmarted a very smart criminal and murderer along the
00:45:25
way multiple times so don't think for a second that Kelly has outsmarted the justice system in Indiana yeah I don't
00:45:33
think he's outsmart in them and it's I don't even think she's smart she just has a level of evil that becomes hard to
00:45:42
deal with and I think they dealt with it the best way they could you know they almost kind of fought fire with fire and
00:45:48
they really tripped her up well in the the supposed extra murders that she may have done what information she provided
00:45:57
them was taken to the process executor so that was taken into account before they agreed on this plea agreement in
00:46:04
the state of Indiana and and the prosecution firmly believed that there's nothing here there's nothing of any
00:46:10
truthfulness here in any of these statements now to the other end of that argument as
00:46:18
to whether there's any potential other victims some people including Kelly's brother believe that the couple had
00:46:25
killed at least nine people together as for who those other victims are detectives said that it's a mystery that
00:46:33
Kelly claimed that she had quote friends who are buried in several States including the state of Tennessee but
00:46:39
never revealed where or who Kelly told police that she murdered many other people
00:46:46
a Hobart police detective said that at one time she had said she had killed 21 people on two occasions she had told her
00:46:54
that and she states I didn't believe it I think that she was stretching things she was trying to play a game she
00:47:01
realized that when she gives you 21 games which she did you're going to have to take a lot of time to look into each
00:47:08
of those and they didn't it didn't take long for them to realize that she was sending them on a wild goose chase so no
00:47:16
more victims have turned up and no other murder charges await Kelly Cochran personally what I think Captain after
00:47:23
everything that I dug through in the past week what I think we're dealing with here is a situation where I think
00:47:28
Kelly Cochran was the ringleader I think that Jason was certainly involved in the
00:47:34
murder of Chris but I think that Kelly was the one that put together the plan I think she was kind of the leader I think
00:47:41
that for whatever reason Chris became a problem and they devised this plan to kill him
00:47:47
and then later when she's presented with another problem Jace and her husband she
00:47:53
decides to get rid of Jason and this is the only way that she knows to how to handle these problems that she's created
00:47:59
that she's taken on in her life is is to end them with murder now a scary thought though here before
00:48:07
we leave Captain former police chief Laura frizzo she had a comment on possible other victims she said quote I
00:48:15
do not think that Chris is the first person that they murdered she explained there's no way that the first person you
00:48:22
choose to kill you're going to be able to clean clean up the blood and get rid of the body so that the FBI agents can't
00:48:30
pull DNA off the walls to do what they did to him I don't know how you could do that if it
00:48:37
was the first person you've ever killed shooting someone that's one thing you can be far away pull out your gun and
00:48:45
it's done but to sit there take a cut up body and then wrap its parts put it in your vehicle and haul it
00:48:54
over to the woods and bury it there's no possible way you could logically think that through I truly believe there are
00:49:02
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