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Welcome to Off the Record. I'm your host Nick Crime. >> It's good to be seen and it's good to
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see you. Off the record. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling the friends. >> True Crime podcast.
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>> Be good, be kind, and don't >> little crime. >> Gather around, grab a chair, grab a
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beer. Let's talk some true crime. >> Where we left off, guys, we got around 6:00ish is when Ron says he he wakes up,
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notices Amy's gone, and then soon he's going to start conducting his own search looking for his daughter. Eventually, he
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will return after not finding Amy, wake up his wife and his son, and they're trying to alert the ship staff, as they
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say, begging the staff to make an announcement to help them find their daughter, especially because they're
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getting ready or about around the same time, they're pulling into port. And a whole bunch of passengers, like almost
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like it's the Titanic, are going to be rushing off of this boat to get off of the boat. and they're worried that if if
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something's happened to their daughter that somebody could move her off of the boat or she's going to get lost in the
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shuffle. They really feel like if they're going to be able to find her locator that this is the time. Now,
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while all this is going on, we have witnesses who claim to have seen Amy after the time that her father believes
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her to be missing, right? Or at least missing from their room. Some reports I've seen have suggested or said as many
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as three separate witnesses later told authorities that they saw Amy on the upper deck with yellow. She's, you know,
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he hands her a drink. I I I want to be clear on this because one thing I didn't love about when this goes from your TV
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screen and then somebody plugs it into the internet. Everybody always says, "Well, there were two people that saw
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her. They were stand two women that were standing together. they saw Amy with this guy at this time. I say nay because
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all I remember seeing on the documentary was one person sitting on camera. So she
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can say all day and night that she was standing with somebody else, but we don't have that other person to step in
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front of the camera and say the the same thing. So I lean more toward we got one
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person giving this statement. I I can clear up some of this um because I have talked to the two girls who were there
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were girls at the time um who saw Amy with yellow. Um now these are two young women who met uh Brad and Amy actually
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at the airport in Miami when they were on their way to Puerto Rico. And so they were about the same age. One of them had
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kind of a crush on uh Brad or thought he was attractive. So, you know, they they hung out with
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Brad and Amy. So, they they knew them on, you know, on site and they were also at the disco that night dancing late
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into the into the morning. And these two women uh decided not to go back to the room after the disco closed because they
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didn't want to wake up their family. and they and it was so late already, they decided to stay out on the on the deck
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until around 6:00 in the morning before they could uh go back. So, they they exist. I've t I've talked to them and
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they claim that they saw uh Amy go up that glass elevator back up to the disco with Yellow. Now, the documentary makes
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it seem like they saw them for sure after Amy left her cabin at 5:30 or whenever it was the next morning and
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that it was, you know, after that that they saw them go back up to the disco. Now, I disagree with that um because one
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of the one of the girls that I talked to um says that she can't be sure that uh it was that late in the morning and that
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it could be as early as 3:30 in the morning. So, I think it's very possible she did see Amy and Yellow together, but
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I really think it was before Amy went back to her cabin. Um but we can't be sure. They said that they saw Amy and
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Yellow go up the elevator and then Yellow came walking across the deck alone and and walked by them. So, what
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happened to Amy there? I think that's probably when Amy went back to her cabin. Um, but they they you know,
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they're not entirely sure, but they do suggest that they saw her after she came out the next morning. I but it's it's
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not it's not 100% like the documentary makes you think. And you did mention the there there's this rumor of a third
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witness, this woman who would hang out at the disco because she was taking antibiotics and she had to stay out of
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the sun. And she's she claimed at some point that she saw Yellow and Amy come up when nobody else was there and Yellow
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gave her a drink. That witness, I think, is totally unreliable. Um, if she is in the disco because she's
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trying to avoid the sun, what's she doing there at 5:30 in the morning when the sun's not up? Uh, the sunrise that
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morning, I think, was around 6:30. Nothing about that witness makes sense. And it's my understanding nobody can
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locate that witness anymore. the witnesses aren't as reliable as as the documentary would make you think. And
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there were a number of other witnesses that claimed that they saw Amy on Curissowl months after she went missing,
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suggesting that she did get off the ship, that maybe she was involved in human trafficking. But you got to
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remember that these are eyewitnesses that are coming at it in reverse. You know, they didn't know who Amy was. They
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encountered a woman that kind of looked like her and then months later they saw her picture on America's Most Wanted.
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The human mind is built to create narratives that that make sense, that tell a story. Um, and memory is not
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something like you see in TV and film where suddenly there's this flashback in 4K and it's exactly how it happened.
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That's not how it works. Every time you access a memory, you change it a little bit. You rewrite it a little bit. Um,
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it's not static. So, I do believe that the witnesses believe they saw Amy, but I don't know. I'm not convinced that the
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the woman they saw was actually Amy. >> The three of us, we get to see kind of how the sausage is made, right? James
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may be more than myself and the captain, but James, you've been involved in different documentaries as have I. True
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Crime Garage, and I can't say this was everyone's experience, but the studio or Netflix, whoever is putting out the
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documentary, certainly has >> skin in the game, right? And I have experienced a a particular situation
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where I'm sitting in front of a camera and they're getting ready to hit record and they say, "Hey, uh, why don't you
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say this?" And I go, "Well, why would I say that?" They go, "Well, because, you know, of what was going on at the time."
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I go, "Well, that wasn't the situation. That that wasn't the case at all." Well,
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how about you just say it for the for the camera real quick? Real quick shot here. Just go ahead and say it. And I
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go, "No, I'm not saying that because it doesn't Good for you. It's not true." And and and maybe
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Maybe some people will do that because some people just want to be on camera and and in that moment I'll defend
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people that say things that are untrue because I think that the way that I would I thought they were making me feel
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was that I had to say it or I was going to be, you know, asked to leave the room.
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>> But I I didn't give it I didn't give a [ __ ] Like I I I know I know the story.
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I know I know the facts of the story. And you can ask me all day and night to say something. If you want to find
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somebody else to say that for you, you can. Right. I'm sure there'll be a line out the door.
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>> Yeah. Most people don't realize that on these documentaries, there's often a writer that's credited. And that's
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that's what the writer's doing behind the scenes is they're thinking about the narrative they already want and they're
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trying to put the words in the mouths of the people that are being interviewed. So, it's not this. You know, a lot of
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times the documentaries you're watching, you're you're listening to these statements. A lot of times that's not
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the statements that they made. It's the statements that were rewritten on the spot and then asked they they like you
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said they go to the witness and say, "Can you say it like this or can you say this?"
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>> I think that it gets difficult for the viewer to understand that when you're seeing somebody sit in front of the
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camera and tell you something, it's completely different than if they were sitting on the stand, hand on the Bible.
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Yeah. >> And testifying to something in court. It's completely completely different
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>> for sure. >> Well, and that's why anybody that is interested in this case and is doing a
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deep dive on Reddit, do yourself a favor. Go watch these interviews that James Rener has has done. I think it's
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some of the best stuff that you're that you've been putting out. >> Thank you. >> But why has nobody mentioned this?
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I was watching the documentary maybe 15 minutes in. I'm like, "This is a great documentary. It's shot well. There's
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great be B-roll." It kind of made me miss the days of Paradise Lost and the grittiness to the original docu series,
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but nobody I have not seen anybody mention this on the internet. Her brother's name is Brad Bradley.
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>> Yeah. Don't don't trust a man with two first names. Don't trust a man with the
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same name. Uh just slightly altered. >> And in all likelihood, his name is Bradford.
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>> No, it's uh it's actually he's Ronald Bradley Jr. And the the story I got was
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um so instead of calling him Ron Jr., They were looking for a nickname and they thought he looked like a Brad, so
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they started calling him Brad Bradley or or he had friends that would just call him Brad for short. So it it stuck.
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>> He does look like a Brad. Not going to argue that. >> I'm not trying to poo poo on the family.
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Don't think I'm doing that. But I have seen a lot of online speculation that Brad might not be so great with the
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truth at times. I I'd never caught I don't think that any I don't think that the family has outright lied about
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anything. I think they've withheld some information which got them in trouble during the lawsuit against Royal
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Caribbean 2, >> right? >> But I don't think they would outright lie about anything. And I certainly
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don't think they're ultimately responsible for um you know doing anything to Amy. you know, they they in
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their heart, you can tell that they believe that she's still alive and desperately want to um to find her. I
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you know, I for me at this point, if I was if I was Brad, I would be deleting all of my social media history. You
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know, the I mean, it's if Amy's alive and reading his his social media, I I can't it it would have to be very
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painful, you know? So, that bothers me a little bit. I've said it before, they were a very tight family. There was a
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lot of love there. >> What are your thoughts on the eyewitness that claims she saw Amy in the bathroom?
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Um, so yeah, this woman went on a cruise and ended up in Barbados and has this story about how she uh encountered a
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woman she believed to be Amy Bradley inside a bathroom and that she was being essentially guarded by three um black
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men who were with her uh and trying to keep an eye on her. And that woman, uh, the the witness, she actually lives in
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Ohio. So, I got to, you know, sit down with her. She lives in Columbus. And again, I think she believes that she
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what she says that she believes what she saw. I don't know that it was Amy. um she has this story about the this woman
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acting very bizarre in the bathroom and she went up to her and got a sense that she was in some sort of trouble and said
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that the woman told her her name was um Amy and that she was from she thought she said West Virginia but in hindsight
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you know she said well it could have been like a town in Virginia like Chesterfield Virginia and again she's
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coming at that in reverse because you she has this encounter and then a couple months later sees Amy's picture on one
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of the news programs like uh America's Most Wanted and then >> I think it was on Dr. Phil. But
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>> Dr. Phil. Yeah. >> The thing I thought was interesting about her telling of the story and again
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cuz I didn't talk to her face to face. I I I have to just go with what the documentary is saying, but it made it
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sound like she didn't have a aha moment until it wasn't a picture of Amy. It was a
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picture of this sex worker that was on a website that some people think is Amy's.
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Can you >> Yeah. >> dive into that and are we are we learning any more about this individual
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that was on a website? >> Yeah, it's a very interesting part of the story. So, I I think you're right. I
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think it's possible that the woman that she encountered in Barbados was the woman from the escort pictures. And that
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woman is in my mind very unlikely to be Amy. Um, so in around 2005, somebody sent the Bradley's a picture of a woman
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from a an escort website that was running out of a brothel in Margarita Island. Now, Margarita Island is fairly
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close to the ABC islands of of uh, you know, where Kurissau is. And Margarita Island is uh in fact on on a good day I
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think you can see Margarita Island from Kurissau. Margarita Island is part of Venezuela Venezuela, which is um a very
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very scary country. And uh uh there was a brothel on Margarita Island called um it was run by a business called
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Affordable Adult Vacations, which was run by a Greek guy from Canada named Alexis Zaglanitis.
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Um, and he was this weasel of a guy uh who always had his hand in prostitution down there. So, this picture shows a
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woman who clearly has a resemblance to Amy Lynn Bradley and her but her hair is kind of um curly, frizzy. And uh to me,
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the first time I looked at that picture, I immediately just thought that this this picture had to be taken in the late
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80s or early 90s. Just kind of has that look. And um so, but there's definitely a resemblance there. And so they did a
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lot of work trying to look into that brothel and the background of this guy. And um so when I set out to do my
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research on this case, that was one of the main things I tried to focus on because either that is Amy or it's not.
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And if it's not Amy, then who is that woman in the photograph? And if I can identify that woman, then it really it
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really kind of puts um you know, it kind of takes away the idea that she was trafficked because at that point there'd
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be no no evidence that she that she was. So um I set out to figure out who that woman was. Now I haven't been able to do
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that for sure, although I think I'm getting close. Um, there are a number of other women whose photographs appeared
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on that same uh escort website. And on that page, it's she's on a page that refers to visiting escorts, not escorts
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that live on Margarita Island, but escorts that would come in for a weekend to meet up with clients and make some
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money. And there are two other women on that page who I have been able to identify. And both of those women
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starred in adult films in the '9s. And it and it appears they were never at Margarita Island. Had nothing to do with
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it. So I believe what was happening is Alexis, the guy that ran the place, was taking still photographs of these these
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white women from adult films saying that they were visiting escorts as a kind of
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bait and switch. So these guys would come out to the island and they're like, "Hey, could I get a date with Jazz, the
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name of the woman that looked like Amy, and he'd be like, "Oh, you know what? You just missed her, but we have these
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lovely women from the Dominican Republic in Colombia." Because the women that were working in the brothel were um
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women of color exclusively and be, you know, partly because it was easy to um to obtain them. Now, I do
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think it was a bit of a human trafficking situation, although Alexis would have argued that, you know, the
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the women had a choice to work there or not. Sure, they had a choice. Um, they had to come on the the island, but the
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money that they would make in that brothel would be 10 times the amount they would get working for, you know,
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any job at their, you know, in the Dominican Republic or Venezuela. So, yeah, they had a choice, but did they
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really? They were all women from from those islands. And if you're in involved in a criminal activity of some sort, you
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don't want to get the attention of the authorities. And a white woman in those brothel would have gotten a lot of
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attention. And I don't think it's worth the risk for them. So, um I I don't think that Jazz is Amy. Um now, after
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the documentary came out, I was contacted by a woman who claims to know who Jazz is and said that she was on
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Facebook one day and this picture came up of of Jazz. Uh and this was a couple weeks before the documentary even. And
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when it came up on her page, she's like, "Oh, that's my my old friend Susan." And
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she assumed that she was seeing something like an obituary or whatever. And then she realized that this was
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connected to Amy's case. And this woman claims that she knew the woman from the photo, her real name was Susan, and that
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she lived in Daytona Beach, um, Florida in 1994, which is four years before Amy went missing. and that this woman claims
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that she would do makeup for these photooots that her that Susan's boyfriend uh would use to kind of
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promote her as a uh as an escort or call girl. Now, it's it's hard to verify that
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story. Um this woman's given me the names of a couple of her friends who also met Susan. So, there is um you know
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some circumstantial evidence there, but uh yeah, we're still trying to figure out
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you know who the woman in the photo is, if in fact it's not Amy. I almost never think right anytime that we're seeing
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documentary or datine 2020 when they show a missing person and then they show a photo of somebody that might
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be or somebody thinks that it's a photo of the person when they compare them I almost never think that they look alike.
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Here's the other thing too. There's a lot of people that haven't heard of this story until very recently because of the
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documentary. But this story has been featured a lot of times on other shows years prior to this documentary. So I
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remember things about this case and learning about this case from other shows way back when and seeing that
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photo way back when on those shows. And I remember at the time not thinking that
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it looked a whole lot like Amy, but for some reason watching it on Netflix, I saw a lot of similarities. But the other
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vibe that I got was the picture. Let's pretend for a moment that it is Amy. It shows somebody that again I agree looks
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a lot like Amy, but it would be somebody that's older, haggarded, right? That it
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would be it would have to be a much more recent photo than when Amy went missing.
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That's the impression I got. However, I thought it can't be Amy because everything about this picture other than
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the person in it is telling me that it was taken probably prior to her going missing. Like that photo just screams
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early 90s to me. Yeah, it like the the the everything in the background early 90s. Everything about the woman early
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90s. And so if that is true, then it can't be Amy. I do want to touch on something though because
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>> one thing that Let's talk about the the wrongful death lawsuit for a moment. >> Sure.
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>> Because the family has they they make efforts to declare Amy Bradley dead so that they can take this wrongful death
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lawsuit against the cruise line, which I can agree with that. However, your lawsuit isn't going to have any legs if
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you are saying we are filing a wrongful death lawsuit, but at the same time saying that, well, she's still alive and
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living on a an island somewhere, >> right? >> So, it it quickly is going to get tossed, right? You can't you can't be
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saying the whole crux of your case is that it was a wrongful death, not that you know it was a wrongful she got off
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at the wrong stop on your cruise line. >> Yeah. So that gets talked. >> They they actually filed two suits
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against Royal Caribbean. One was the wrongful death and and one was for negligence I believe and um you know
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they were kind of connected in that way and it forced them to I think part of the reason they they they filed the
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lawsuit was to get some of the people from Royal Caribbean uh under oath in deposition which they were able to do.
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Um, they also, uh, Iva and Ron and, uh, Brad were deposed. Unfortunately, it's been so long since they filed suit that
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those depositions have been destroyed, but I was able to get um, some information about the the hearings and
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the court cases and things like that. And the suits were ultimately dismissed for essentially the reason you you said.
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And um the reason the that the court stated they were dismissing it was due to fraud on the part of the Bradley's.
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And the reason they said that they were involved in fraud is because they um apparently had u over a hundred
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sightings of Amy and they only um offered up the sightings that suggested she was under duress on the island and
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did not share the witness statements that showed her alone on a beach or alone at a restaurant seemingly, you
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know, not under control, seeming, you know, to just be um under her own power. So, you know, that that hurt them. And
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the reason that they gave at the time for not sharing that info um is interesting because they they say they
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weren't sharing it out of caution for her life because at the time >> they believe that Amy was being held by
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uh Colombian basically uh criminal syndicate >> in Kurissau. And that has to do with
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another part of the story, which is this uh guy named Frank Jones goes to them and and says, "Hey, I'm an ex special
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forces guy. I have information that Amy's being held by Colombians on Curisowl. Uh I need you to, you know, if
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you can fund my excursion there with my um a team, we'll go uh >> my my ex-Navy SEAL buddies,
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>> we'll go rescue her." And so at the time they they really thought that by sharing
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that info it might put her in danger um because this operation was kind of underway. That ultimately turns out to
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be a con. Um Frank Jones conned um uh the Bradley's and um a missing person's organization out of over $200,000 before
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he was ultimately caught and sent to prison. It was he receives like five years in prison I believe and it was
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over it was like 28,000 and change from the Bradley's and about 180 to 190,000 from this missing person's fund that he
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frauds them out of. Meanwhile, what we learn is it's really just funding this lavish vacation where he's just at a bar
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and drunk all the time. And he even provides them with some photographs that he says is of Amy on a beach with a man
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that's controlling her. And later we learn that he fabricated those photos. It was a a man that he knew and that
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posed with a woman that they hired and they somehow put tattoos on this woman to make it look like cuz you don't see
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the woman's face. >> Yeah. >> It implies that it's Amy because of these unique tattoos that Amy had and
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the placement that they are seen on her body while she's sunning on the beach. One thing that I thought was shocking
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because I was like I had no intention of watching the documentary because I like
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I said I've seen the story covered several times before. We're so eyeballs deep in true crime stories and there's
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so many cases that are in my head the space the room is not large enough. I need to purchase more real estate cuz
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it's scrambling the brain at this point. And so I I choose not to watch certain things because it's overload. And
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there's a place down the road that I frequent. A few of the people that work there and have worked there a long time.
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They know what it is that I do for a living. So I I'm come walking in there the other day. I haven't watched the
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documentary yet. I hear this conversation and overhear this conversation from afar and I can quickly
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tell that they're probably talking about the missing woman from the cruise ship.
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And the documentary has recently come out. So, they come over to me after they're having a lengthy discussion and
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they said, "This family, this poor family, why didn't they just hire a private investigator and send him to the
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island?" I'm like, "Oh." Right away, then I'm like, "Oh, now I have to watch the documentary because they clearly
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left out a huge portion of this story." That was a large part of this. I mean, this guy frauded these people for months
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and months and months. This was >> Yeah, >> this was ongoing for a long time. and
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then they learn everything he's been telling them was complete [ __ ] Why do you think that that doesn't make it
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to the to the Netflix documentary? Do you think that that's like egg on our face that the the family is embarrassed
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that they believe this or do you think that it's Netflix trying to sell us a mystery that maybe it's not so
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mysterious? >> I I think it it could be my personal thought is it's a it could be a number
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of things. one that they had limited time and uh you know they only had three episodes for this series so they
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concentrated on the the you know some of the more interesting things that might be connected with her disappearance. Um
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I think it could be because they couldn't get anybody on record to give a little more information about him other
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than the family. Obviously they you know um probably couldn't get Frank Jones himself. I I I have talked to him a
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little bit. So, yeah, I I think it was time constraints and and lack of um finding decent interviews for that.
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>> Well, but I mean, his situation's been adjudicated, right? You can go to >> you could get the court records. Yeah.
00:30:07
>> And use that. I'm just saying I thought it was a little irresponsible in the presentation because I get what you're
00:30:14
saying. There's only three episodes. you only have so much so much space and so much time, but at the same time, you
00:30:20
also spent 10 minutes showing us every podcaster that's talked about this case from their basement. Uh, which I I'm
00:30:27
sitting there on my couch watching it with another person and they're showing these different podcasters talking into
00:30:32
microphones and on YouTube and whatnot about this story and I'm going, "Holy [ __ ] those are my colleagues." Like I'm
00:30:39
like like how disappointing that those are those are my colleagues. They look like they haven't left the basement in
00:30:45
in in months. And meanwhile, I haven't left left the garage in 10 years. I say step out of the basement and into the
00:30:51
garage, my friends. But yet, no, this this story is huge. It's certainly huge right now. I love what you're doing with
00:30:59
digging deeper and talking to people more on this story because regardless of what you think happened, I I think it
00:31:06
would be negligent on anybody's part to to sit there and say I I'm sold on this one idea. I think there's so many
00:31:15
possibilities with what could have happened with this young woman. And I will I will agree absolutely with the
00:31:22
family. I'm so glad that they did file the lawsuit for the negligence >> of the the cruise ship because you are
00:31:30
given a false sense of security when you walk onto those ships. I tell you friends, it's not like going into a nice
00:31:37
hotel here. It's it's far more dangerous than any of that. And I think that the cruise ship did show a bit of a
00:31:45
disregard for this woman's safety and for her family's concerns. Right. They they delayed making any announcement.
00:31:54
They and and I thought, look, maybe the guy in real life is an absolute winner and and he would be my best friend if I
00:32:00
knew him off camera, but on camera that cruise director came off douchy as can be. He's like, "But the cruise goes on."
00:32:08
Yeah. Okay, good for you. Um, >> but the cruise goes on. And and look, Amy's not the first person to come up
00:32:15
missing on one of these ships. She's also not the first person that was missing for a period of time and then
00:32:20
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off. [Music] One thing that the documentary missed as well was the how thorough was this
00:35:50
search of the ship. They're like, "Well, you had all hands on deck. every crew member was searching every nook and
00:35:56
cranny of the ship. They weren't. We know that be from later statements that didn't make it onto camera from the FBI.
00:36:02
The FBI says as soon as they get onto the boat, they're talking to the captain. They're talking to the persons
00:36:08
in charge and they're like, "Yeah, we, you know, we looked around for her. We sent out some of our security personnel
00:36:13
and looked around for her." No, it wasn't all hands on deck. It wasn't every nook and cranny. It was a couple
00:36:19
guys looking for her. They didn't find her. I have a background security administrator for a very large property.
00:36:27
If you told me to go find something on that property back then, I would have looked at you, James, and captain, and
00:36:32
said with all of the confidence in the world, I'll find that for you. >> Yeah. >> But I can also say sit here and say,
00:36:38
"No, I remember one of our staff lost a a a set of keys, building keys. This is a high security issue."
00:36:46
>> Yeah. >> Right. This is east of the building. Dozens of keys on this key ring was lost
00:36:53
in that building and on that property. That key, those keys, at some point as the as the boss, I was convinced they
00:37:00
were gone. I was at some point convinced that somebody left with them, lost them
00:37:05
off of the property and we would never see them again. Nope. We found them two and a half months later.
00:37:12
>> Wow. >> Two and a half months later, we found those keys. Another situation uh in
00:37:17
property management many years later uh somebody had lost their clipboard. It was drywalled over and it wasn't until
00:37:25
like >> four or five years later when they were removing the drywall that that clipboard
00:37:30
was ever found. So I'm here to tell you that that that that search is not a thorough search. The FBI says it wasn't.
00:37:38
And I do think that there was some negligence on behalf of the the cruise ship and and disregard for this young
00:37:44
woman and their family's concerns. >> The documentary is just kind of the tip of the iceberg if you're going to dive
00:37:51
in this rabbit hole. And I think the first episode you start going, who is this yellow guy? And this he's a kind of
00:37:59
a creepy bass player, which we we know most bass players are, especially the ones that play on cruises are creeps.
00:38:06
The captain was a bass player that played on several cruise ships. So, if anybody can uh vouch for the character
00:38:13
of those stringed stringed players, it would be >> Well, we don't have a lot to do in the
00:38:19
band, so we have we have time to think and and and and look out into the crowd. But, so part one, you go, okay, we need
00:38:28
to know more about this individual. And then they kind of get away from it. And then episode three starts off with his
00:38:35
daughter calling the Bradley's. One of my issues with him even being that good of a suspect is he doesn't get off the
00:38:45
boat and he remains on the ship, remains in the band, still has to do his job for
00:38:52
the rest of the time that that boat is gone out at sea. So, did he sneak her off the boat and hand her off to some
00:39:02
handlers? And then all these eyewitness accounts, you go, "Well, can we track Yellow's whereabouts? And was he even
00:39:12
around? Or was he out?" Because, like you said, these contracts are sometimes for 6 months. Other than getting off at
00:39:19
a port, you live on that boat and you're on that boat for 6 months, sometimes a year at a time. Cuz some sometimes you
00:39:26
get to the end of your contract and you're like, "Hey, I'm I'm going home next week." And you get an offer. Hey,
00:39:33
we had a bass player back out. We'd like to have you renew your contract. And in
00:39:39
those cases, because I have several friends that have done this, if they're in a pickle, they up your pay.
00:39:47
>> And so there could have been six months, sometimes a year or more that he was on
00:39:52
cruise ships. So, how is he doing anything with Amy? >> Yeah, >> but like I said, it's just the tip of
00:40:00
the iceberg. I think your interview with him is great. I think it just adds more
00:40:05
details and gives you a better picture of everything that was going on. But what what are your thoughts on Yellow?
00:40:13
>> Yeah, I think the documentary did Yellow Dirty. Um, you know, they they didn't
00:40:19
get him uh on camera. they didn't get an interview with him. Um, and you know, for me sitting here in Ohio working on a
00:40:28
book, I thought, you know, I I realized how important it would be to talk to Alistister. He's very difficult to get
00:40:36
to, though. He lives in Grenada on Grenada, which is um, you know, its own its own separate island. And I realized
00:40:47
that I was going to have to try to find him there. Um, now Grenada, like Curisowl, it's hard to, you know, they
00:40:53
don't really have phone directories that you can access uh online. So, I was able
00:41:01
to find that he was working for a church and that they would meet every Sunday. Um, but you know, he would it's called
00:41:09
the Church of the Nazarene and they have a couple sites around Grenada and he would alternate around them. So I I
00:41:16
decided to go to Grenada to see if I could find him. Um and so I flew there last October and of all the places I
00:41:24
visited for this story, Grenada was the only place I felt that I was in danger. Um it's definitely like a third world
00:41:34
type of situation down there. Um not a lot of police oversight. Um there's a lot of corruption there.
00:41:43
um just the you know just the disparity of income is um you know the the people on the island are are making next to
00:41:52
nothing. Uh, everybody on that island. I was drive I was riding around in a taxi
00:41:57
and there were these by the way the taxis when I say taxi you're I think all these taxis are like over 250,000 miles
00:42:06
you know held together by duct tape and wishes and I was in the back of this cab
00:42:12
and we were driving through these neighborhoods and every house had a little wooden shack out front and I'm
00:42:21
like it almost kind of looked like bus stops and I'm like hey what what are these shacks all about? And the the
00:42:27
cabbie said, "Oh, that's uh everybody has their own little shop and they'll sell, you know, chips or soda or water
00:42:35
or or rum or beer because everybody's hustling. Everybody's got two or three different jobs because they're poor."
00:42:44
And so it was a it's a very different world down there. And I took this cab to the church, not knowing for sure that
00:42:53
yellow was even going to show up, but luckily he did. And he got out and I went up to him and I said, you know,
00:43:03
Alistister, you know, my name's James Rener. I said, I've come a very long way just to talk to you. Would you give me
00:43:10
10 minutes after your service? And he and he he nodded. He's like, I know. He's like, I know how how far you must
00:43:18
have come. He's like, "I'll give you some time after the service." So, I sat and watched his sermon and he talked
00:43:25
about working uh on the island as an exorcist uh which is interesting. And, you know, he had a very nice
00:43:33
congregation. They sang lots of songs and uh he has a beautiful wife and a son who I think is like 12 or 13 years old.
00:43:43
Uh then we talked after that. uh just he and I and he sent everybody else out of
00:43:49
the church and we sat there um and and spoke and I found Alistister to be very sincere and he has a lot of regrets
00:43:58
about the way he acted as a young man. Um, and you know the you know he he would call them sins, you know, trying
00:44:08
to hook up with these young women on the on the cruise ships and you know he takes responsibility for that but he's
00:44:14
like look I didn't I didn't traffic anybody. I didn't kill anybody. And I do think you know that so you've got the
00:44:22
witness that says that he saw Amy with yellow on a beach in Kurissowl months after she disappeared. And would
00:44:30
somebody under the theory that Alistister had something to do with putting Amy in a trafficking situation,
00:44:37
would he then go back to his victim months later in a in a public space where she's out and and free to ask for
00:44:48
help. He's just putting himself in danger in that situation. I I just I I don't see it. Um, and he has no history
00:44:57
of of violence, >> but also we don't know if he was on a cruise ship at that time.
00:45:02
>> Correct. Yeah. I'm sure the FBI has been able to piece together his, you know,
00:45:07
when he was on the ship and and when he and if he was even available to be on Curacal that day. And I think it's very
00:45:14
telling that the FBI has told the family, look, we have no evidence she ever left that room. Yeah, I think it's
00:45:19
it's highly unlikely. And and in that case, you know, look at look at what they've done to to him. I mean, not just
00:45:28
the documentary, but everything that the family has said on social media to this
00:45:33
day. I mean, he's there's so many people after watching that documentary that just assume, oh my
00:45:39
god, he's he's guilty of sin and and and he trafficked that poor woman. >> Like you guys are saying, Netflix, a
00:45:46
documentary is a bit of the tip of the iceberg, if you will. us talking about it here today while we were able to dig
00:45:53
into some other things and and really kind of dissect some pieces and parts of that documentary and things that James
00:46:02
has learned about this situation before the documentary came out and still exploring it. We could go on for hours.
00:46:09
We could go on for days. There's a lot of stuff we didn't get to. So, if there was something that your ears didn't hear
00:46:15
today, folks, don't get upset with us. We are just a few guys hanging out in a garage trying to make heads or tails of
00:46:21
a very difficult and mysterious situation. And like you know the reason why the story has to be that if Yellow
00:46:31
did something he most likely had to hand her off at port is because just like the
00:46:35
cruise director said the cruise goes on. The cruise has to go on and it did. Right. The boat continued on with or
00:46:44
without Amy. We we still don't know what happened to her, but we know that the the vessel later departed Carouso. It it
00:46:51
continued on to the island of St. Martin and then went to St. Thomas to the Virgin Islands before returning to San
00:46:58
Juan, Puerto Rico. This on Saturday, March 28th, 1998, and then creating this huge, huge mystery of what happened to
00:47:08
this young woman. James Rener, we appreciate your time. We appreciate you joining us once again here in the
00:47:13
garage. you are one of the most recommended true crime authors on our show and so
00:47:20
>> great true crime books but for this story for more on this story go to his wonderful podcast it's on YouTube as
00:47:28
well true crime this week you can check him out make sure you look into more of the Amy Bradley stuff he's got a lot of
00:47:35
it there for your ear balls and your eyeballs thank you James Rener for joining us this
00:47:46
[Music] Amy Lynn Bradley is missing. She's been missing since March 24th, 1998. She was
00:47:57
23 years old at the time of her disappearance. Amy would be 51 years old today. Her classification is endangered
00:48:06
missing. Her family suspects foul play. Amy is a Caucasian female. She is 5'7 in
00:48:13
tall with brown hair and green eyes. Sometimes Amy would dye her hair blonde and at times, especially when cut short,
00:48:20
her hair may appear to be almost black. At the time of the disappearance, Amy was approximately 115 lbs, ears pierced
00:48:30
multiple times, and her navl is pierced as well. She was a smoker and social drinker, mostly Marbor lights and Miller
00:48:38
Lightite beer. Amy has the following tattoos. A Tasmanian devil spinning a basketball on the back of her shoulder.
00:48:45
A green and blue gecko lizard around her navl. A Japanese symbol on her right ankle and a primitive Japanese sun
00:48:52
tattooed on her lower back. The FBI have age progressed photographs available showing what Amy may have looked like at
00:49:01
42 years of age. The FBI is offering a reward of up to $25,000 for information leading to the recovery of Amy Lynn
00:49:11
Bradley and information that leads to the identification, arrest, and conviction of the person or persons
00:49:18
responsible for her disappearance. If you have any information concerning the disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley,
00:49:26
please contact your local FBI office or the nearest American embassy or consulate. A special thank you to
00:49:33
author, YouTuber, and podcaster, James Rener, for joining us in the garage this week. Please check out his show, True
00:49:41
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