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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] is [Music] 14 days after 33 year old tracy sissom
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was last seen the chevy blazer that she borrowed from her father was found abandoned eight and a half miles from
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tracy's apartment tracy systems remains were found 70 miles from her apartment and as we know she had been dead for a
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while probably about 18 days and we also know that someone else was driving that chevy blazer after her
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death this reminds me captain of the jennifer kessie case by the way we covered the jennifer kessey case in
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depth in four parts that's episodes 362-365 if anyone wants to look those up i am in no way saying that these cases
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are connected in any possible way just kind of stuck on this idea about the vehicles in both cases jennifer kessey
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from orlando florida has been missing since january 23 of 2006 shortly after she vanished her car was
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discovered parked around a mile or so from her home a local security camera recorded a person parking kessie's car
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and walking away now that person could not be identified due to poor camera quality in the person's
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face and any distinguishing features being obscured now one glaring difference here is
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obviously in the tracy system case we have found and recovered her remains i know we also know that there was a
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couple uh unknown couple that was driving the vehicle that eluded law enforcement right so in the kessie case
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we're not certain what happened to jennifer but in both cases we have recovered the
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vehicle that the victim was driving and we know that they were moved by somebody else
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now again here we have a very similar situation in the system case the blazer that tracy was borrowing turns up with
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these weird people that we don't know we don't know who they were so what were these two people doing in the
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blazer doing with that blazer were they simply moving it and almost got caught along the way
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but were able to duck the police or were they responsible for you know does this mean that they're
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responsible for tracy's murder or do we have something else going on here captain because we have discussed this
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several times before in other cases here in the garage could this be just one of
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those weird and rare situations that the real killer simply gets lucky and the case becomes
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more confusing for detectives because our killer got lucky and what i mean by that is there seems to be a pretty
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general belief shared amongst a lot of people that these two people that were seen
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driving the blazer and then fleeing the vehicle that they're just part of the story but don't really have
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anything to do with what happened to tracy sissom well what we know about tracy is that her
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body was dumped into a rural area a street that most people wouldn't travel on unless it was a
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local situation but a distance away from where she was last seen you said 70 miles yeah 7-0 is
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it possible that the killer of tracy also abandoned that vehicle and somebody like you were saying this
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couple then happens upon that vehicle that is kind of the general belief here uh that is shared amongst many people is
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that these two people may have found this vehicle somewhere now keep in mind tracy is last seen in indianapolis a big
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city a major city 70 miles from where her remains are found it's very likely whatever happened to
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tracy happened to her that night at the apartment or right after she left her apartment that night
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so whatever happened to tracy happened in indianapolis and if you're going to let's say
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you have a personal cause homicide where you murder someone that is somewhat close to you that there
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would be an easy a direct connection for law enforcement from victim to offender
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but you have killed somebody that you know personal cause homicide and now you are
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tasked with a couple things right you could just leave the body to be discovered and then they can go
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about their investigation but if you do that you know that they're very quickly going to wind up on your doorstep
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knocking on your door asking you the tough questions what you're tasked with is i need to get
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rid of this body a and b i need to get rid of this vehicle because it's a quick and easy leap from
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body to vehicle when you go you know what okay who cares what she told anybody that day or the weeks before
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if they don't find her and they don't find this vehicle and as long as i can create that delay
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between them locating the vehicle or locating her the more and more this starts to look
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like the people maybe she just took off maybe she just packed up her [ __ ] put it
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in this blazer and took off well on every missing person case that we recover we talk about those
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possibilities was there foul play did this person want to commit suicide did this person want to take off and
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start a life of their own well and we've talked about several cases where people report
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somebody missing and the local law enforcement agency they don't have something to investigate because the
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adult is allowed to go missing they finish your food before you so i think that's what you're looking at from a
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strategy point and from something you brought up there's a good chance that whoever is responsible for this
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may have moved her vehicle and left it somewhere abandon it and then these people found it
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and moved it and when they get pulled over by the cops they get scared and they you know these could be drug
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users this could be people doing a favor for somebody this could be homeless people it does not have to be
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somebody directly connected to tracy or her murder well because if you find a banded car and let's say you find the
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keys in the car party time well yeah i'm gonna go pick up the captain yeah and we're gonna blast some bohemian
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rhapsody don't vomit in the back seat yeah give if you're gonna spew spewing this but
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when you have that scenario and you're the driver and you see law enforcement you're going to
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assume that somebody reported the car stolen right because you essentially stole the car and we've said it a
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thousand times vehicles are easier to find than people and the weird thing here too is we have
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information that is telling us that the cause of death in tracy's case was strangulation and then you have that
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partial box of ammunition in the back seat it doesn't sound like some rando people
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that are moving this vehicle for you or that that found it abandoned that they would leave ammunition in the vehicle
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for any reason that's just another confusing part of the story that may really have nothing to do with anything
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other than again if you could create a paper trail between that partial box of ammunition and somebody else especially
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somebody in tracy's inner circle well now we have a problem now we have something to to talk about
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and something to investigate like you're also saying a really good strategy if something happened in
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indianapolis have the vehicle be in indianapolis yep even if it's 10 miles from where
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tracy would have been you're not going to be thinking about trying to locate a body 75 miles away
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once you find that vehicle you're gonna go okay well now her apartment is considered a crime
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scene and this vehicle is now considered a crime scene so you might again you would have to put
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one plus one plus one equals three you know yeah your strategy would be to want that
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vehicle to be in indianapolis or as chaz barkley would say in the annapolis but uh
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yeah you you would want to separate yourself from the victim and from her from the
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crime scene itself too and the best way to do that is not have them find the body if you're
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the perpetrator of this crime and it seems like police were were really working under the theory
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that yes she was killed elsewhere and then dumped in this location but we have her last
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known whereabouts is that apartment so do they believe that she was killed or attacked
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in that apartment or in the parking lot of her apartment complex and then you have the statement from
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the police this is what's interesting though captain we people go why are you really hyper
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focused on these ideas it's because police have not released very much information in these cases
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in this case they've not even officially released the cause of death so we know that they're very strategic about what
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they are allowing to come out so they probably are only allowing things to come out that they know that they have
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other proof or evidence that this is very much case related this is information that we want to allow to go
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out to the public and what was that one statement that they had that a neighbor or neighbors had seen a suspicious
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vehicle that they reported to be possibly a dark suv that whole statement too and knowing that the last time she spoke
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with her mother was 7 p.m that night i'm starting to feel like the sun goes down
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in indiana that night and something bad happened to tracy in that general location after the
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sun went down because again i'm going back to the difficult vague description provided to police
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by a potential witness of a possibly dark suv something either their memory is not
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great or something is causing them to not be able to see the vehicle extremely well over the next couple of years after
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tracy's body was recovered in 2004 only little bits of information trickled out but nothing that really changed
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what we've already related to you thus far in this case indiana state police sergeant jeff
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decker told the republic that the police were choosing not to release the cause of
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death so it would not create problems in any police interviews decker did confirm
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that they believe tracy to have been killed elsewhere and dumped in the area where she was found investigators
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continue to work the case and would say only that they continue to talk with people they haven't ruled
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either way on this being in or out as possible suspects well people have to understand something that's simple again
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you see this in like the delphi case where people want to know the cause of death they want to know
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what happened they want to know those details they think that somehow those details are going to help them solve the
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case when they're doing their internet web sleuthing right but in this case you might have somebody
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that comes forward and says hey look i was talking with my boyfriend i was talking with my girlfriend or whoever i
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was talking to and they said that they're responsible for her death well how did they kill her oh well they
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said they shot her and if that's not the cause of death then you're less likely to believe that
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lead and people might naturally think that she may have been shot and it not be the case at all right right why would
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they naturally think that because ammunition was found in her abandoned vehicle now one thing that did come out this was
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in 2006 so what you're saying is by releasing that information it's kind of a deceptive
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way to put out information there that might not actually matter by law enforcement well not only that
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but you may not have any control over it you may be going back and retroactively
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creating that strategy meaning if they announced that the vehicle was found remember the vehicle was found before
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her body was located right and even months before the body was even identified so there may have already
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been information out there to the general public whether it was in a newspaper or on the news or just known
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in her inner circle that all they found they found her vehicle before they found
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her body and there was there was bullets in that you know sitting in a box in that back the back
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seat of that vehicle now one thing that did come out in 2006 that the police discovered in their
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investigation and this is per the indy star was that tracy system was trying to kick a drug habit or recently had kicked
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a drug habit her family said that she had a troubled marriage and that her body had no trace of drugs
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in her system so there was a toxicology report done on the body on the remains and there were
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no drugs found to be in her system at the time of her death well that's what i wondered because you know in the missing
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or the vanishing women case in chillicothe there was several victims that they thought were
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just overdoses right and so if there's an overdose at a party they don't know what to do and and
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because they're all drug addicts uh struggling with that addiction they don't want to go to jail
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so then they get rid of their they get rid of the body well in this case we know for sure that it's a
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homicide the people who know tracy told us that tracy's estranged husband michael sissom
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had a crack cocaine habit and that he had gotten tracy hooked on drugs as well but we know that they were not together
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at the time that she disappeared and we also know based off of what the family has said that she was trying to
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kick the habit or had kicked the habit and then you have to go back to the toxicology report that may back up that
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statement that she did in fact kick the habit and she ain't going back to michael's system
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if he's if he's hooked on drugs and and part of the problem now clearly based on this clean talk
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screen at her autopsy again we know that this shows tracy was moving forward moving on from that
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addiction but her troubles with drugs and an ongoing court situation with her first husband and her estrangement from
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her second husband and again the unknown identity of the people driving the blazer provided a
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fairly long list of potential suspects in my opinion yeah i agree in 2006 the family announced that they were offering
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a ten thousand dollar reward for credible information on tracy's death her sister shelly
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told the indie star quote we are pleading for any information anyone will have on my sister it has been two long
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years there is a void it makes you wonder how cooperative these exes are with law
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enforcement because you'd think that even her first husband look he has a he has a dog in the fight in the sense
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they have children together and he would you know want to know her whereabouts obviously and then
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for his children's sake he would want to know one what happened to their mother so he can explain that to them later but
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also who is responsible and to see that justice is done for the mother of his children well and
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along with this same announcement here captain of the family offering up ten thousand dollars reward for credible
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information on tracy's death they did quote rebecca sandlin who is tracy's mother as saying quote someone out there
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did this to her it's not fair they are living eating breathing having fun acting like nothing happened
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and a hopeful stat is that there were three phases of the spanish flu so we're in the third phase
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of covid so maybe we're closer to the end than the beginning so keep your fingers crossed
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and here's something that i found online here captain that i want to make sure that we
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send out to the whole world here because it's a case that's near and dear to our
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hearts the tony muncie case which was one of our bonus episodes that we released years ago and still is
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available to this day for purchase and download to listen to but on sunday august 29th
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and again this is something i found online this is not a direct advertisement so don't don't hold my
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feet to the flames here everyone but on sunday august 29th at 10 pm eastern tony's episode will be airing on tv on
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the investigation discovery channel so if you want to continue to follow that case and that case was successfully
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solved check that out on sunday yeah you can find our episode on our website truechromegarage.com or
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also in the itunes store you can buy it directly from itunes i'd recommend getting the episode
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listening to it and then sitting down and watching what uh id has to say yeah in 2008 tracy's case was featured on a
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deck of playing cards now we've seen this in several other cases throughout the years this is a deck of playing
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cards that is handed out to inmates in the state prison system they will often put missing persons or
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unsolved homicide victims on these playing cards and give them out to the inmates because they
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have time to sit around and play cards and they're hoping that maybe someone will see her picture
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get a little bit of information maybe they know something maybe somebody on the inside has told them something or
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maybe someone they knew on the outside told them something and then they can pass that information along to law
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enforcement now remember that tracy's body was found wrapped in a quilt far from the apartment that she was vacating
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found in rural brown county investigators said that they had not been able to uncover any nexus between
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tracy and that area tracy was from indianapolis and had no connection whatsoever that they could find
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to that rural area at all brown county prosecutor jim oliver told the republic quote she was last seen in indy she
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lived in indy we don't know what the brown county connection is he said he believed investigators should
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focus on marion county where indianapolis is located this seems like a very important hint
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that officials believe that whoever killed tracy was close to home now before we proceed any further it has to
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be said that this is one of the most frustrating cases that we've looked at in a while due to the lack of
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information our efforts to obtain documents and reports were stonewalled in every direction we
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submitted foia requests for police reports and autopsy reports those were denied
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but again this case is 17 years old right we've not seen a ton of movement on it
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it's time it's time to put out some more information well it's so frustrating because you know that there's people
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involved or people that are possibly close to her that have information that they're sitting on
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and it's you know why wait and and this idea that somebody committed this murder and
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just sitting around like eating their hot cheetos having a good time no this is weighing on them
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well it weighs on them all the time we managed to unearth some information some more information and
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talk to some sources that we will relay to the listeners in hopes of stirring up
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some interest in tracy systems case we did a lot of digging in this case to try to get to the bottom of who killed tracy
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our feeling was that police have to know a lot more than they are saying and i think we're right our sources
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people close to the case we are not naming them tell us that there is indeed a prime suspect a number one suspect in
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the murder of tracy sissom and police know exactly who he is we are talking about tracy's estranged husband michael
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lee sissom according to our sources when tracy went missing and then turned up murdered police went after michael's
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system incredibly hard so she's in i bet you they thought that they were going to
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get an arrest and soon a conviction early on in this case right police were convinced that michael
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had shown up to the apartment that night that tracy was cleaning out and that the
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two had some kind of altercation and he killed her and then dumped her body system was a
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indianapolis native as well growing up in the same neighborhood as tracy did but our sources tell us that michael
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system had many ties to brown county as well that he grew up hunting in that area and that he
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is intimately familiar with the area where he dumped tracy or where her remains were found
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that is interesting we're being told that this guy is the prime suspect we're being told by law enforcement the tracy
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system has no ties we can't find any connection between our victim and where we found her body brown county
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how now brown cow yeah but we're being told by the sources that not only is this dude the prime
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suspect but there are obvious connections between him the suspect and where the body was later found
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according to the sources michael was dealing drugs when the police were pressuring him about tracy's murder
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and the cops started badgering his drug associates about his activities so the the heat was getting too hot hot in the
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hot so he skipped town he ended up in oklahoma and then he was in missouri for a while where he beat up
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a guy who owed him money from a pool game apparently he beat this guy up so bad that he was arrested in january 2006
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and he was facing a decades-long sentence for the assault some have said that the woman that he married right
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around that same time he married this quote unquote girlfriend so that she could not
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testify against him and that all of the other witnesses were deemed incompetent in that case because
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they had all been drinking in the bar when the fight occurred so these charges captain end up getting reduced to
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felony theft right so he beats up this guy the motive for beating him up was because the guy owed him money from a
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pool game well apparently after he beat up this guy he took that money from the dude so
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they didn't charge him with the physical assault they charged him with stealing the money well how much money
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i you know i don't know how much it was but what happens here is five dollar bill and a coke
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not only do the charges get reduced but the sentence gets reduced as well so he he ends up looking at decades long or
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more charges originally this ends up only being with him plea taking a plea deal and
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getting sentenced to six years he ends up serving one now here's what we've learned obviously
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michael sissom has a violent past in which he faced charges for that assault right
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but women who have dated him say that he would choke them and that he was abusive
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during their relationships what a romantic they said that at first he would come across as a great guy but
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then he would become emotionally and physically abusive and manipulative he assaulted one woman he lived with in
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indiana after his release from prison and when she filed charges and saw his restraining order he sent someone over
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to tell her to keep quiet so there is a conviction on his record relating to that incident a misdemeanor
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battery charge for the assault which occurred december 23rd 2008. he also has a disorderly conduct
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conviction in indiana from 2002 and as we said he did a little bit of time in prison for that missouri assault
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on the pool player so he has a violent temperament and he likes to put his hands on women that's
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what we are being told tracy's family has not spoken out to the media directly about michael and tracy's relationship
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and whether it was violent or not but we do know the two were estranged and tracy was living on her own in that
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apartment that she was clearing out when she vanished and our sources tell us that tracy had filed for and been
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awarded a restraining order against michael so if if the dead could talk then that's
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tracy telling us that yes this guy was violent to me toward me as well [Music] tracy and michael met i guess
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much earlier in life when they were in high school michael actually dated tracy's younger sister shelly
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now shelly was the most vocal advocate for her sister's case shelley would even call up michael
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sissom and beg him to provide the family with answers and tracy's death asking him to confess
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to the murder for the sake of their child because remember the two had a kid together
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and not only that residents of the tight-knit community where both tracy's family and michael's
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family live i'm being told that it they all seem to know that michael had something to do
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with tracy's death that this is sort of an open secret in that area well here again let's go through the list real
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quick violent temperament puts his hands on women we have a restraining order that was issued against him
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from the victim and he has connections to brown county which he would his connections are not just that he
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knew the area but he was very familiar with the royal parts of the area because he went there to hunt not only that some
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are saying the specific area where tracy was later found right now let's go back to 2004 right around
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the disappearance time when tracy disappeared michael sissom was telling people who asked about you
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know what happened to his wife that she had left permanently that she had taken the two girls and left and
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then went to live in various crack houses in indianapolis he said that he had gotten her out of
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the crack houses and moved her in with his mother and that one day she went to pick up her child
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support payment from her ex-husband and he warned her not to blow it on drugs and she just never came back
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okay so of course this story is absolutely ridiculous this is what our prime suspect is telling people in town
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so this okay this weiner spanker he is saying oh no no no no no no she she laughed and and she was she was going to
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all these different crack houses and i'm the one that that was trying to get her clean
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yeah he's saying hey don't be doing that stuff around our kids and don't be spending your money on drugs but the
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problem with his story captain is this does not account for any of the time that she's living on her own in her own
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apartment or moving in with her mother borrowing the blazer from her father to move you know what i mean it's it's like
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a convenient way for him to explain away why she is not around anymore and blame it on the victim and what's
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interesting here too you go okay well what does any of this mean does it mean anything nick and i say yes it does
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it what it means to me is you have her other family the rest of her family are going
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where is she we don't know what happened to her oh but this guy's got a story right
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right he's got a story a story that we know does not line up with the facts of her life leading up to her disappearance
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how convenient and he can say whatever he wants i i that's the unfortunate truth here that's
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the harsh truth here is that the the possible offender lives to die another day and can tell
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whatever tale he wants between between then and now she's not here to to defend herself and
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and tell us exactly what happened what we do know from the talks report captain is that
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drugs were not found in her system when she was murdered right so look like you said
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he can say anything he decided to create some story some fictitious [ __ ] and it doesn't make any logical sense
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with what we know that she was moving out of her apartment that she was going to move in with her family that she
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borrowed her father's vehicle it doesn't make any logical sense but it doesn't matter to him he just
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this is the story i'm going to tell and i'm just going to stick to that and you can you know it's [ __ ] because you
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go doesn't make any logical sense well and what it looks like to me here captain is that the family's theory is
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that tracy was at her apartment loading things into the blazer as she said to everyone michael must have shown up
00:34:36
despite this restraining order the two argued he strangled her then he wrapped her
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body in a quilt and drove her to another part of the state a part of the state that he is familiar with to dump her
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and here's the thing too it would be really important and i know that the family's not been very vocal and shelley
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was really tracy's most vocal advocate sadly shelley has passed away in the years
00:35:06
so it would be really interesting to know and i think it would be important to know whether the quilt tracy was
00:35:11
wrapped up in was this recognized by her family as one that belonged to her or the family or is
00:35:18
this something that we can put up there and say look this this quilt did not come from the victim did not
00:35:25
come from the victim's family our most the best explanation we would have is that it belonged to the killer
00:35:32
well and the tough thing here again is if the point of interception or the point of
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abduction is her apartment what was she doing at the time she was packing up stuff
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so the killer would have plenty of opportunity especially when you're moving you have your boxes everywhere
00:35:52
and things are open and you're packing blankets that you normally don't use did they just pull this quilt from our
00:35:59
own belongings did they move her body with her father's blazer these are things obviously we don't know
00:36:06
but a very good point if the family goes we don't know whose quilt this is never seen it before
00:36:14
but but then the difficult thing is if you say well this quilt is from her ex-husband
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well one could argue well maybe she took that with her when she moved out so that that becomes the difficulty
00:36:29
thing or if you go well that quilt is from you know from his mother's house or something i
00:36:39
still think that becomes difficult to prove because they they did have a relationship they were married
00:36:45
they did live together for a time period some of his belongings could have become hers
00:36:52
another thing that would be very helpful to know is what happened with this chevy
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blazer right how did how did it get into the possession of this man and woman who ditched it when
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they were pulled over by police well i bet mine hurt i would bet money that maybe her ex he's sitting there going oh
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yeah i had to go around to different crack houses and get her out of those crack houses
00:37:14
okay you're a crackhead yourself that means you run in circles with crackheads it probably won't be that
00:37:20
hard to sell that car for a little bit of drugs it's a nice vehicle hey if you just give
00:37:28
me some drugs i'll give you this vehicle well in this look he's not a great guy he's not even a good guy right this
00:37:35
michael guy that we've discussed oh he's a bag of [ __ ] but everything i've been
00:37:39
told is he's a you know he's an intelligent man and that he's would not be dumb enough to if he killed tracy he would
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not be dumb enough to be driving around the chevy blazer that he would have known better than to drive around
00:37:53
the vehicle that was tied to his missing and murdered wife with whom he was not supposed to be in contact with
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right but people close to the case believe that he likely ditched it somewhere which makes sense so that
00:38:05
somebody else could magically come along and steal it in the middle of the night
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or that maybe you know if he if he is dealing drugs then maybe he traded it off to one of
00:38:17
his drug associates or called in a favor from somebody well again that goes back
00:38:23
to the circle of people that he runs around with you have a currency that's different than money because you
00:38:31
have addicts and so they sometimes they'll do things that they normally wouldn't do
00:38:38
maybe at some point they're a good person but because of this addiction they'll steal from their families they'll steal
00:38:45
from others they'll burglarize the neighborhood they'll steal from little kids they
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might even murder somebody well and you have a situation here that i find to be very interesting captain where we have
00:38:57
the potential of other suspects right we have a fairly large suspect pool that i would say we have it could be an
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unknown person it could be these two unknown people that were seen driving the vehicle
00:39:09
it could be her first husband but what we end up having at the end of the day is sources telling us no it was
00:39:16
the most recent husband it was michael's system and he had a violent past he was
00:39:20
not supposed to be around her and he probably was trolling her and bothering her
00:39:26
and that somehow they met up or he found her that night cleaning out the apartment and they got into some kind of
00:39:34
altercation well no i i would lean towards that because i think the other thing too is
00:39:39
she's not found with drugs in her system and so that was probably a control technique for him hey i'm using drugs if
00:39:47
i get you hooked on drugs i can control you more we already know he's abusive and one of the things that abusive men
00:39:55
do is they divide and conquer divide them from their family divide them from their their actual personality by
00:40:03
getting them hooked on a substance and one of the things that i believe and i don't know how true it
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is but what i believe is sometimes these guys get in these horrible rages when they realize
00:40:18
i can't control this person anymore i have lost the ability to continue the path of abusing them and doing whatever
00:40:27
i wish to them and having them be under my control so we already see some kind of separation she's living in our own
00:40:35
apartment but maybe he shows up that day and realizes she's clean she has kicked the habit
00:40:41
she's kicked me out she's kicked the habit she's moving back in with her parents i can't control her anymore and
00:40:48
then flies into a rage and not only that if everything that we're being told is true
00:40:54
michael was an addict himself i don't know his current situation but you just said all of the things that
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that people that are drug addicted may do for money or for whatever other resource
00:41:08
he was an addict at the time of her disappearance so that becomes a whole another
00:41:14
possibility it could be it could be the the drugs are more responsible for his actions than he is
00:41:22
and that's where look he got a plea deal one time in in missouri there's still time if he in fact did
00:41:28
this there's still time for him to do the right thing and if he's not going to do the right thing there's other people
00:41:34
out there that know i i'm convinced of that that there would probably usually these people
00:41:41
even in personal cause homicides usually they tell somebody something and i gotta believe man if this guy is
00:41:49
hanging out with people that aren't so much on the up and up or if he had a call in a favor to have the vehicle
00:41:54
moved or or help him in any part of cleaning up and covering up this murder right somebody definitely knows
00:42:02
something well it makes you wonder what happened to the children because like you're saying this 17 years ago
00:42:08
and yes she had three children they're all grown adults now they grew up without a
00:42:15
mother but they also grew up without knowing what happened to their mom yep and again like we said what we
00:42:21
suspect is that she kicked a habit that she was turning her life around and like i've always said like and we see it
00:42:29
a lot of times with true crime cases where they don't get as much attention because you find out the person
00:42:36
was suffering with an addiction and i always go well it's just as sad to me because they lost the opportunity to
00:42:43
turn everything around they lost the opportunity to become maybe what they were supposed to become
00:42:50
all along but they got sidetracked and so these poor children grow up not knowing what happened to their mom
00:42:58
probably being fed lies from other parts of their family they deserve answers just as well as the rest of her family
00:43:06
does her oldest two were raised by her husband you know their father and then her youngest who she had with
00:43:15
michael system was eventually raised by tracy's family they're probably all in lockstep with of
00:43:23
trying to figure out what happened not just to their mother but to their daughter their sister
00:43:29
and so on now as we said captain this is a very frustrating case tracy deserves justice and so far she has not received
00:43:36
it based on what we were able to learn this is one of those cases like another indiana case that we've covered of a
00:43:44
murdered wife charisse bingham where police know who did it but for whatever reason the powers that be
00:43:51
don't feel like they have enough to bring charges we can only hope that the indiana state
00:43:56
police detective chris fears who told us that this is an open and active investigation is correct and that this
00:44:04
case is being worked and might one day be solved the recent arrest of heidi ferkis's
00:44:10
husband nick 11 years after her murder also gives us hope that this even after all of these years have passed that
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these murdered wives can find justice [Music] if you have any information that can
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help in this case of tracy system or any of the other indiana cases that we have
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mentioned in today's podcast please contact the indiana state police at one 1-317-232-8262
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or for other ways to reach out to the indiana state police you can go on their website at in.gov
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york times best-selling true crime author catherine ramzlin this book the corridor killer is not about just one
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