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[Music] pick a country and you likely can find a citizen who is killed ritualistically
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and repeatedly consider the phrase run amok which derives from a Malay word translated
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loosely as to attack with homicidal mania believing that amok was caused by an evil spirit
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Indonesian culture tolerated these violent outburst and dealt with the after-effects with no ill-will toward
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the assailant the underlining premise the capacity to kill indiscriminately dwells in all of us
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most people just suppress the urge or avoid the spirit still the serial killer occupies a
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singular role in the cast of Americana here he and the vast majority have been male has been hyperbolized
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and fetish sized and even romanticized serial killers are responsible for only a small fraction of the murders
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committed in the u.s. but they are some of the most notorious figures in our history and culture says Sarah Weinman
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who runs the newsletter the crime lady serial killing is twisted fantasy that has roots in the wide open American
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landscape where it is all too easy to hunt and kill without detection and with impunity it was in the 1970s that agents
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Robert Ressler and John Douglas of the FBI's behavioral science unit coined and defined the term serial killer
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distinguishing one from a mass murderer who may kill many at once or spree killer who lacks a so-called cooling-off
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period between murders indeed the 70s marked the crimson stain height of serial killing in the u.s. in that era
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there were a number of factors working in the assailants favor from lacks gun laws to the popularity of psychedelic
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drugs to the sprawling interstate highway system and cheap gas and from the dearth of surveillance
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technology to the spotty coordination among police precincts it may never have been easier to avoid getting caught
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taken from John Wertheim si.com long-form article titled the i-5 killer this is true crime garage
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[Music] [Music] we start off on the evening of December 9th 1980 in Vancouver Washington a 20
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year old female attendant is working the second shift at a gas station when seemingly out of nowhere a man suddenly
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appears he was tall with dark hair and on his face he had what was very obviously a fake beard before the
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attendant knew it the man was standing right in front of her and he had a gun the man told her to open up the register
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and give him the money she did as he requested he then told her to turn around and just like that he was gone
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the robbery was reported and the attendant provided police with the description of a young dark-haired man
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who was tall and had an athletic body type and it was with this very quick but very terrifying event that a series of
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robberies and holdups started just days later an ice cream parlor was hit the next day a drive-in restaurant the
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robberies occurred in both Washington and Oregon but then on December 21st a different type of report came in 200
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miles away from the holdup at the drive-in restaurant in Seattle Washington a woman working at churches
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Fried Chicken reported that before 9:00 p.m. she was in the women's restroom washing her hands and face when a man
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walked in he said excuse me but he did not leave instead he locked the door behind him he put the gun to her head
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and said do what I say and you won't get hurt he then forced her to perform a sex
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act and immediately after the assault he left but not before telling her to count
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to 100 before she dared to exit the restroom she obeyed and then out of fear she stayed in the restroom screaming for
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help a co-worker called police the victim gave a description of her attacker a tall man with dark hair and a
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small silver gun who was the man with the silver gun who seemed to appear out of nowhere one mr.
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fake weird beard was was he wearing a beard during this attack so we have a several robberies that take place and we
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have at least one sexual assault but in these cases most of these cases he is wearing what is a fake beard and it's
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not even like a good fake beard because the witnesses are able to tell law enforcement is there such thing as a
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good thing I don't I don't think there is but if there is I've never seen one I know in one of the attacks that the the
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beard was like hanging off his face it wasn't really even attached to his face very well hmm the other key thing about
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these robberies is the witnesses will always tell law enforcement that the weird thing of the man seeming to just
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appear out of nowhere and these are all storefronts and gas stations and drive up restaurants so what they mean by him
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appearing out of nowhere it's not like they saw him get out of a car and walk into the establishment and then hold up
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the place they said that they would turn around or look up from whatever they were doing and he was standing right in
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front of them by January of 1981 law enforcement had dubbed the robber the i-5 bandit this given his apparent
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preference for committing crimes along the interstate 5 corridor on January 8th he held up the same Vancouver gas
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station he had robbed in December three days later on January 11th he robbed a market in Eugene the next day on the
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12th he shot and wounded a female grocery clerk at a store in Sutherland Oregon and some of these robberies the
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man had a band-aid or a piece of tape across the bridge of his nose when he shot and robbed the grocery clerk in
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Oregon he had two band-aids across the bridge of his nose the woman survived and the man made off with over $300 in
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cash the bullet went into the woman's shoulder and out through her back police recovered the bullet
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it was now evidence and a possible witness reported seeing a VW Bug parked just outside of the grocery store around the
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time of the attack and we all know that's not good this leads us to Salem Oregon January 18th 1981 just before 10
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p.m. an emergency call comes in the caller is a woman and she is asking for help she tells the operator that we have
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been shot at races put on the call and the call is coming from the trans American Title building squad cars and
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an ambulance are sent racing toward the building the operator asks the woman for
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her name the caller is having trouble speaking her voices faint and her breathing is weak fighting through the
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pain the caller says her name is Beth Wilmot and that they need to hurry because we have been shot in the head
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and Beth is pretty sure her best friend Cheri Hall is already dead the operator asks who shot you Beth says it was a man
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but she did not know him Beth and Cheri were at the TransAmerican building cleaning the office when a man walked in
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she said the man was above average height with dark hair and a bandaid on his nose the man was wearing a coat and
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jeans and he was in his mid to late 20s Beth said again and again that her friend Shari is dying Beth was afraid
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that the man was going to return now a police officer arrived at the scene he arrives there first and he's alone the
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emergency caller did not know if the shooter was still in the building the officer knowing the general layout
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of the building he knew if he entered he would become the perfect target should the shooter remain inside but by the
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description of the attack and the injuries he heard on his police radio he also knew if he didn't go in the two
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women inside would surely die so with a gun drawn the officer kicked open the door and entered the operator stayed on
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the line until the ambulance arrived the shooter thankfully had left Beth somehow
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survived this attack Cheri did not despite her being shot in the head twice luckily neither bullet penetrated Beth's
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skull and she lived and she remembered a lot about the attack and about the attacker in horrific detail she was
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later able to describe both two detectives the two women Beth and Cheri were best friends and they operated an
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evening and weekend cleaning business that Sunday night they were cleaning the TransAmerican building they were almost
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done and getting ready to leave and go home for the night sherry unlocked the front door went out
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to the parking lot started up her red Bronco she left it running and went back into the building
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just to finish up a few things just then a man with a silver gun and a bandaid on
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his nose entered the building he ordered the women to a room in the back once there he threatens them he makes them
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take off all of their clothes he sexually assaulted both of the women when he was done he told both of them to
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lay face down on the floor next to each other then standing overtop of them he shot sherry in the head then he shot
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Beth in the head then sherry again then Beth again and then sherry then he left well Beth after being shot the first
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time she kind of plays dead which is possibly what saved her life yeah Beth went on to say that she knew the man
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would just keep shooting them if they moved so after that first shot she made herself like ompletely still and silent
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but we do know he shot her again anyway this probably just to make sure that she
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was dead and Beth said that she was lucky because the man shot sherry three times and she was only shot twice police
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were able to retrieve some evidence from the crime scene but we have to keep in mind how difficult of a situation this
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would be to collect evidence one we have a guy that it seems like neither of the
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victim even knew so what was he doing there in the first place but then on top of that we have first responders who
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there main objective their first goal arriving on the scene is to preserve life as to
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save the lives of these victims right and when they arrived on the scene both of these women they were alive but
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they're both clinging clinging to life they're very close to death and so we have a situation of the police they have
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to go in to save lives they have first responders we have we have medical technicians there everybody is working
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and really they're trampling and contaminating the scene plus we have the added factor of this is taking place in
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a building and the police have to go in there and clear the building to make sure that the shooter is not still in
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this building luckily they are able to retrieve some evidence from this crime scene and they might have got lucky here
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because this is some pretty decent evidence so first they find a single hair which after some testing and
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comparing it to first responders they believed in the victims they believe this hair to be from the suspect they
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also were able to retrieve the suspects blood type was it a real hair or was it a fake hair this was a real hair my
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friend and they retrieved the suspects blood type which they later determined to be be negative this is also a good
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thing for them because it eliminates quite a good deal of the male population they also had a living witness and most
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importantly they found a bullet now obviously we know there were five shots so there was more than one bullet but
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one bullet was in great condition this was a 32 caliber and because of its condition they were able to narrow it
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down to just a few different guns meaning they had a very good idea of what kind of gun fired this bullet right
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are they making the connection that this is their i-5 bandit yet they have not but then we have this situation that is
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just 16 days later and it's about 380 miles away and right off I five just north of Redding California
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there was another attack in this time it ended in a double homicide just before 9
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p.m. on February 3rd 1981 a young woman came home and the house looked empty she
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called out as she walked the house but no one answered when she reached the upstairs she came into a bedroom and
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discovered the lifeless bodies of Donna Eckerd and Janelle Jarvis each had been shot several times in the head one of
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the women was bound at the wrists and ankles and her mouth and nose were covered with surgical tape detectives
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quickly deduced that both were alive and well just less than three hours earlier
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this because of a phone call that took place with Donna yeah because the person that was on that phone call is also the
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person that found the bodies yeah Donna told the caller that she and Janelle were going to go down to Jake's market
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to pick up some some items for breakfast the next day now inside of one of the woman's pants pocket detectives found a
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handwritten check made out to Jake's market interviews conducted at Jakes market determined that the two never
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made it to Jake's someone had intercepted them right law enforcement also determined that the victim had only
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been dead maybe an hour before they were discovered they were both killed with a
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32 caliber gun now back in Salem we have Beth Wilmot the one who almost died was shot in the
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head twice she is recovering from her two gunshot wounds to the head and to everyone's surprise she is healing much
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faster than anticipated she's able to give detectives a description of the man that killed her friend and it tried
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unsuccessfully to kill her now with some good old-fashioned detective work the Salem Police were now working under the
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theory and suspicion that the killer was not a local this leads them to sending out a teletype to police offices in
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other jurisdictions and other states now they are asking if any commune he had experienced a similar homicide
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immediately they got a response from the Redding California area after comparing
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notes they firmly believed that the two cases were linked they were in fact the same type of crimes same caliber gun and
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both right along the i-5 corridor then Salem released the following description to other jurisdictions and to other
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states Salem Police were looking for a male white 25 to 28 years old 5 foot 11 to 6 foot 1 inches tall medium build
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described as good build with dark hair possibly curly collar length and dark eyes pale or light complexion described
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as being good looking and has sad eyes with more white showing below the iris the suspect wears a black or orange knit
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cap a green hooded coat brown cord or sheepskin lined jacket green windbreaker the coats always buttoned blue jeans and
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all incidences white tennis shoes with red stripe blue driving type gloves with open back they go on to describe the gun
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that is believed to have been used in these crimes a possible H&R break top six-shot revolver vehicle a 66 or later
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light-colored VW Bug possibly modified in some manner now keep in mind regarding this vehicle that's more of a
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suspicion rather than they're saying that we've seen this in all of these incidents in sight and because we have
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multiple attacks and robberies and such that have taken place we have a different description of what this
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suspect could be wearing after the description goes out more police agencies contacted Salem the description
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matched that of the robberies and holdups that we previously discussed and in the
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following February 3rd in Redding a female store clerk was kidnapped raped and a holdup
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an identical crime was reported in Yreka on February 4th but the same man robbing
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in Ashland Oregon motel that same night five days later in Corvallis a man matching the description held up a
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fabric store molesting the clerk and a customer before he left On February 12th there were robberies
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committed in Vancouver Olympia and Bellevue Washington the Olympia and Bellevue incidences included sexual
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assaults some jurisdictions were looking for the i5 bandit some jurisdictions were looking for the i-5 killer and as
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police were learning the two were one in the same and at this point did they decide to change his name from the i-5
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[Music] all right we're back Cheers so now we have police from several jurisdictions
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that are now in communication with each other they are sharing the details of the robberies the assaults and the
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murders and what evidence and witness statements they may have these are dedicated detectives determined to
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solving these murders and ending this crime spree and to ensure that they can track this guy down they want to know
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everything about him so they start to put together a psychological profile and list out what is known about the
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offender's modus operandi here is what they come up with they are looking for a male Caucasian who has a macho image of
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himself recently divorced or separated from a lover recently released from penal or mental institution this man
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would be described as a nice guy and would not be considered a suspect by a friend or neighbors the motivation in
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all of these incidents is primarily sexual he is a loner some things to consider the offender has not hit
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Portland or Multnomah County does not like location with men present has not hit outside of time spam they had
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narrowed down most of these attacks to taking place in the early evening hours so when they reference timespan that's
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what they are stating this is with the exception of one incident that took place in February in Eugene Oregon
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the offender has only hit one convenience store takes band-aid off when fleeing tape is an unknown brand
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now this is tape that was used to to bind the victims and also we have to consider that on some of these attacks
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it's not a band-aid across the bridge of his nose it is some type of tape the individual parks one to four blocks away
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from the scene is never seen by the clerk prior to the incident they go on to say that they suspect that the
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individual may be hiding glasses mark on nose with the band-aid or the tape they go on to discuss the offender's
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method of operation stating that the offender picks a location where young girls are working or likely to work he
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prefers to hit in the evening hours between 5:40 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. only attacks during slack times of operation
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this is when the businesses would not be busy there wouldn't be a lot of traffic
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in and out of these businesses he is armed with a 32 caliber nickel-plated revolver he ties or tapes
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victims has victim disrobe but he stays dressed in 13 of these 23 incidences there were sexual assaults the older
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female victims are only fondled the offender is soft-spoken and not verbally abusive he takes the victims to the back
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room no drug alcohol or tobacco odors are detected by victims he has never seen casing the businesses he has his
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own vehicle parks up to four blocks away wears bandaid on nose and he has used a
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wig and/or fake beard as a disguise he also takes the telephone receiver away from the scene this occurred in almost
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all of the attacks in which there was somebody shot or some type of sexual assault this seemingly so he they can't
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call police immediately after he leaves the hood of his jacket always stays on and he wears gloves but may take them
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off to fondle the victims he has victims count to 100 as he is leaving the scene
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well the first question for me becomes the true motive you know because they're not convinced that all these but there's
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23 attacks and robberies 13 of them sexual it seems like to me that there's a double motive and it's not just sexual
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it's that this guy needs money I agree with that he needs money but also the he also needs this this sexual
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satisfaction yeah because that's if if the the primary motive is simply money he's putting himself at a much greater
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risk to assault these women agreed but hands but in every scenario there is money taken correct I don't think that
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there was in the first sexual assault that we welcome describe where he walked into the restroom where the woman was
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already in there but it's like escalating right like it seems like there was a couple robberies and then
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once he figured it's almost like this guy figured out I can control this situation enough that not only do I get
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money but now I can then the motive then becomes sexual I actually think what's going on here is kind of a two-pronged
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motive one I think you're absolutely right this guy needs the money but I think money is mainly secondary to his
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motivation for these crimes I think sexual is the the primary motivating factor here I think that in
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situations where we have a robbery that occurs and there is not a sexual assault
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I think there's something else going on there one it could be practice to see how much he believes he can control a
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situation right and to also just kind of see what's going to go down and then later determine okay I it's safe for me
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to be here for a longer period of time I'm more comfortable controlling these victims and more comfortable controlling
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the scene of the robbery and so I think that the primary motivating factor here is the sexual aspect but I also think
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that in some of these situations he could either get spooked and just want to get the money and get out of there
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yeah or he sees a situation where he thinks they might fight back or he might not be able to control the situation
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what I'm getting at is there's some variable there that comes into play in the situations where sexual assault does
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not occur that we probably will understand when I also might be looking for a certain type correct because he's
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just going into these random places almost well and that's what I think that the police are trying to point out here
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where they say his motivation you know one of his methods of operation is he picks locations where young women are
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working or likely to work right okay and then when he's fondling older women he's
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just fondling them mm-hmm so so it does appear he has some type of right victimology some type that he may be
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looking for in these sexual assaults the interesting thing here though too is like you pointed out in this situation
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they're never going to be 100% certain that all 23 of these incidences are in fact connected and committed by the same
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offender so what they do is when they're pulling together their their information
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that they know things that they know occurred during the the committing of these crimes and things that the
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offender said and did his actions they're comparing notes and these these lists that they're providing us now mind
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you this is not something that they wanted to send out there but they're not so much putting it forward to the public
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they're just sharing it with other jurisdictions and other states mm-hmm this is a time when jurisdictions didn't
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always work together very well or cooperate together and I'm sure all the technology wasn't there as well and I'm
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sure on some level it took some convincing from one police department to another to point out that we may be
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dealing with the same guy and we all need this to stop because not only is this guy hitting all these places and
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he's this is a rapid-fire attack here we're talking about 23 incidences in a short period of time
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well they mentioned somebody that might had just got out of a relationship okay that just got maybe divorced
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yeah or recently released from penitentiary or a mental institution yeah which would then go with the whole
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no job thing I'd also put on that description possibly a guy that recently just lost a
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job or job opportunity because again that money it's it's always there the sexual assaults are not always there but
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it's almost in every case there is some money being taken now 300 bucks is not and I think one of the cases it was 300
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bucks not a huge amount of money but I wonder if that's because this guy knows I'm just gonna keep doing this again
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so well doesn't matter if I disown if I only get 300 he's not doing anything that is setting himself up for a big
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takeover well and obviously we didn't go through all 23 of those those situations
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because it's just too much to list out and just too much to go through but on some occasions he's hitting more than
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one place where where there's a robbery and or sexual assault he's hitting more than one place in the same day right so
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like you said he's going he knows he's going to rob again he knows that regardless if it's $10 or
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$100 in the till they are there will be another robbery soon well right and I like the fact that they say look he only
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hit one convenience store and so there was something about that convenience store whether it was too difficult to
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take over maybe it was too difficult to control is the more customers the possibility of more customers than he
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can control the situation or is it just simply ah there was there was not enough
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money there is that one of the reasons why he only hit one convenience store well we should also keep in mind back
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we're not talking about something that took place five or ten years ago these crimes that we've described so far here
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are 1980-1981 so back then we have an average salary in the united states of like 13 to 14 thousand dollars so right
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300 bucks is a good hit for him we're talking about this is a guy that is probably pulling down enough be it
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whether there's a little bit of money or something more like $300 that he might be able to
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survive off of just these hits just off of these robberies so where you say that
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somebody we should also factor in and consider somebody who recently lost a job I think you're spot on there because
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yeah what they're all eating out with what yeah what they're pointing out here is recently divorced or separated from a
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girlfriend or lover you're adding in loss of job or loss of opportunity that's fantastic because they want to
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know something triggered this yeah we we have a the similar description and all of these incidences so something
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triggered this and once that that trigger was set this guy hit the ground running and he committed a lot of crimes
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and at a fast pace so they want to know what what was preventing him from doing this in the first place maybe he was
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married and didn't need didn't need the money yeah that's weird though - because
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he's described as attractive so you would think if again I lean to that idea where they were they're saying oh well
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possibly he was in a relationship or married some kind of sexual needs were being met and for some reason now here's
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this attractive man he's newly single and instead of going and trying to meet another mate this is how he is going
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about his life now yeah and some of our listeners do not like when they hear the
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description that's put forward by law enforcement that the offender is described as good-looking and I get that
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but this is a quick reminder that monsters don't always look like monsters right and we have this situation here
00:36:46
where in some of these incidences you know they're asking questions to these victims saying be it for a robbery or
00:36:53
sexual assault or what have you they're asking them very simple things to try to lead them to who the offender
00:37:00
is you know what did anything seem off was there any thing weird going on or did you notice
00:37:08
thing anything out of the ordinary before the attack occurred well no I didn't notice anything nothing seemed
00:37:14
off that day so that's where they're going they're saying well it doesn't appear that he is casing the business
00:37:22
that he's watching the business and then hitting right that take too much time in
00:37:26
there seems to be a frequency here and then the the the added factor of they say well he's parking his vehicle 1 to 4
00:37:37
blocks away and fleeing the scene that's they can simply come up with that by going okay after the attack did you hear
00:37:45
or see a vehicle leave the property leave the premise no did not and none of them so they know that this guy is
00:37:52
fleeing on foot furthermore when it comes to the good looking thing I I know of one of these
00:37:59
incidences where when the victim was asked is there anything was there anything weird or out of the ordinary
00:38:06
before the attack she said that the strangest thing occurred before the attack is that a this this dirty looking
00:38:15
younger guy came in and she said the man had a threatening appearance and the guy
00:38:23
said to her something to the effect of you know this would be an incredibly easy place to rob mm-hmm and this put
00:38:30
her on edge well this this threatening looking individual according to her statement made a made a small purchase
00:38:38
and then left and she said the oddest thing about this whole holdup to her was that shortly after this weird-looking
00:38:47
dude left this this good-looking tall man clean-cut comes in and I my guard was down because of his appearance and
00:38:56
then he's the one that robs me so that's where we have that statement of of possibly good-looking right have we have
00:39:05
we had any other statements like that before that they saw a dirty guy I I'm only throwing that out there that we
00:39:12
have a guy that's wearing possibly wearing wigs and wearing fake beard and then with the whole tape
00:39:19
on the nose it's really like he's trying to do the the tape on the nose thing is
00:39:25
weird or the bandaid on the nose because to me one it's like broken nose or possibly now to open up the nose a
00:39:38
little bit and I would only say that because possibly he's parking you know very far away some people you know I'm
00:39:47
just throwing out straws there you know is is he wearing this because he's sprinting to and from the places but we
00:39:56
have these disguises is this guy puttin on a disguise and going in there and encasing the joint
00:40:01
they say he's not casing the joint but what if he's casing the joint as as an another character well I have to believe
00:40:10
that they were just wrong about that in some form because you don't get lucky 23
00:40:19
times you don't go into a business 23 times and commit some kind of crime and then get away scot-free right that's
00:40:26
just playing the numbers game there it doesn't add up so I have to believe that in some way yeah but there's a lot that
00:40:33
you can learn from parking two blocks away from a place and then approaching it you know I mean there's so I I think
00:40:41
their statement is almost bogus by default well I don't think he was sitting there for hours or on multiple
00:40:49
days watching agree these businesses what we see is somebody who is offending in multiple jurisdictions and we're
00:40:57
talking a lot of these are hundreds of miles away from each other but they're all off of this I five interstate so I
00:41:06
think this is somebody with a good knowledge of that interstate and the businesses along the way I think this is
00:41:13
somebody that probably travels the i-5 a good deal and in his travels maybe he's
00:41:19
he's learning he's doing a bit of Intel along the way and he can make he can make a side note and say that gas
00:41:27
station that I stopped at tonight that I got gasps from I didn't stop there to case
00:41:31
the joint I stopped there because my tank was low and I need a gas oh it was 8:30 p.m. there was a young woman
00:41:39
working alone in the gas station it's Thursday and there was no other customers here and you could just make a
00:41:45
quick mental note of that and say you know what if I'm back in Eugene Oregon on this date you know on the on this day
00:41:54
next week at 8 p.m. this might be a spot to hit and then with the disguise stuff
00:41:59
I love the the suspicion or the the question of could the tape or band-aid be used for hiding glasses marks on the
00:42:10
nose you know that this would be somebody that in his everyday life he wears glasses but that could be an
00:42:16
identifier so when committing these crimes he is not wearing these glasses and to cover that up he's put this
00:42:24
band-aid or tape across the bridge of his nose and I think that's an easy conclusion to come up with I I think
00:42:31
it's creative but where you make that leap is you know that he's used fake a fake beard and more than one occasion so
00:42:39
he is making some attempt at disguising himself right and he may have taken it a
00:42:45
step further and come up with this idea to use the band-aid or the tape across the bridge of his nose well and even
00:42:52
with the the fake beard or the tape or the band-aid like it causes a distraction from natural features so
00:43:01
yeah I mean even if it's not really so much to cover up you know a broken nose or the classes marks on the on the
00:43:09
bridge of the nose it's almost it dis creates a distraction in general and then I thought about the frequency of
00:43:16
how much this is happening like you said there could be a robbery one day and then and later that day sexual assault
00:43:25
and so to me that leans towards possible like alcoholism or some addiction but but they're not smelling any alcohol and
00:43:35
there's no like it seems like this guy is coming in and they're going he was not suspicious so there was almost no
00:43:46
signs of drug activity well and I think you're right there this to me would point to a very organized offender we
00:43:56
have somebody that is has determined that it's best for him to park not near the business and to enter and leave on
00:44:04
foot he is arriving and he's attempting to disguise himself he's wearing gloves in all of these incidences so he's not
00:44:12
leaving fingerprints behind he's also very organized in the way that he controls the situation and really
00:44:21
follows almost the same script each time you know taking the the victim to the back room where they're concealed and so
00:44:31
I think we are dealing with somebody that might not be incredibly intelligent but he's at least good at doing this
00:44:40
thing and he is organized in the sense that that's why I go you know to back up what the victims were saying no drug
00:44:49
alcohol or tobacco odors he doesn't he does not appear to be out of control in any of these situations he doesn't
00:44:59
appear to be out of his mind or drunk or anything like that he's not making a lot
00:45:03
of mistakes well they also point out that he doesn't hit he didn't hit a couple areas like all of his attacks
00:45:10
were outside those areas and so that makes you wonder do they believe that he's from that area that he's not
00:45:17
attacking that because he's would be more likely to be known than those areas yeah that was Portland OR Multnomah
00:45:27
County as well as he only hit Eugene Oregon seems to be a place that he has hit but only once maybe during all of
00:45:39
this so you're right when we have all of these attacks now he does have hundreds
00:45:44
of miles to choose from for these attacks but for whatever reason he seems to be staying out of those areas but
00:45:51
while we were saying that there they can never be 100 percent convinced that all of these
00:45:57
incidences are in fact all linked to one another the very interesting thing here
00:46:03
is when they're comparing notes they're seeing the same stuff in these all 23 of
00:46:10
these things we got the offenders actions the way that he speaks to the victims we also have a very similar
00:46:17
description in all of these incidences as well as the same description of the weapon used during which so it's good
00:46:26
that they're sharing information it's bad that they now know that they're dealing with a guy that is roaming
00:46:32
basically the the countryside and roaming the the west coast up and down the i5 and he doesn't seem to be
00:46:41
stopping or even slowing down when committing these crimes On February 15th now keep in mind captain this is just
00:46:50
three days after multiple attacks took place on the 12th 18 year-old Julie Ann Reitz she is at a party she is leaving
00:47:00
that party this is around 2 a.m. she tells all of her friends that she is heading home Julie Ann Reitz lives with
00:47:08
her mother at Southwest Cherry Hill Drive this is in Beaverton Oregon mm-hmm now her mother is out of town that night
00:47:16
and when her mother returns the next day she finds the body of Julie Reitz finding her lying nude on the stairs
00:47:25
her hair blood-stained she had been shot point-blank in the head yeah the time of
00:47:31
death was later determined to be between 3 and 4 a.m. police recovered a 38 caliber bullet from the victim there was
00:47:41
an eyewitness statement that said that the only thing that he noticed out of the ordinary was that he had seen a VW
00:47:49
Bug driving up and down Julie's Street that night police went on to interview about a hundred and fifty
00:47:58
people who were closest to Julie who were in her social circles they believed that none of the people they interviewed
00:48:06
made for a good suspect now this case is not connected to the i-5 killer for one simple fact
00:48:17
the police were working under the suspicion that Julie knew her killer they based this off of what they found
00:48:25
at the crime scene Julie Wright's had shared a glass of wine with her attacker and she had also
00:48:32
was in the process of preparing coffee for two ok and somewhere in this process she is gunned down by her assailant so
00:48:43
what we have here is you come up with what why did they come up with this well this is easy to put together they know
00:48:51
that Julie lives with her mother when's the last time you saw Julie what time were you last at your home oh I
00:48:58
Julie was already gone for the day I left when I returned I find my daughter dead we know that Julie came home that
00:49:06
night and then they find wine glasses and somebody you know evidence to suggest that somebody was in the process
00:49:13
of making or serving coffee so we're under the assumption that Julie knew the killer well enough to let the individual
00:49:26
into the home and spend some time talking with him but we have a sexual assault and we have shots to the head
00:49:34
mm-hmm so this is why they are very interested in interviewing all the people that are closest to earth these
00:49:42
are your obvious this is your obvious go-to they believe that out of those 150 people approximately 150 people that
00:49:51
none of the people that they interviewed made for a good suspect this points them
00:49:55
to a different thought that their suspect is known to the victim Julie Wright's but would be on the fringes of
00:50:03
her life and social circles yeah they're going to have to go back and re-interview all of these people or a
00:50:12
good majority of them this is because now they're not looking at any of those individuals as actual suspects they are
00:50:18
wanting to get more information from them on who are the people that that kind of knew Joe
00:50:23
is there anyone that stands out is there a guy that she might have known they come up with two or three different
00:50:31
people out of this group of 150 that mentioned a name of an individual that Julie had some type of relationship with
00:50:40
it seems like they they work together at one point this man took her on a date maybe two but Julie didn't really want a
00:50:50
relationship with this individual the name that's presented to them is Randall Woodfield
00:50:57
he is somebody that worked at the faucet with Julie writes this was a bar and I believe that Woodfield was a bouncer or
00:51:07
possibly a bartender he he worked from time to time as a bouncer and or bartender at some of these different
00:51:13
bars this fawcett bar is located in Portland so not terribly far away apparently he didn't last very long
00:51:23
working at this bar because yeah he must have been a bouncer because it says in my notes here that he was let go because
00:51:30
he didn't didn't seem comfortable removing people from the bar mm-hmm so they want to track down this Randy
00:51:37
Woodfield and give him a looking at getting the business well the the other added factor here too is one of the one
00:51:46
of the individuals that supply police with his name says you know what do you know about this guy well I know that he
00:51:54
he did some time or got in trouble for some robberies years ago okay so now we have a guy that actually fits what
00:52:02
they're looking for that's on the fringes of her life and social circles and then on top of that it's a guy with
00:52:08
a record right but riddle me this is he wearing a fake beard well police do once
00:52:19
they have his name they want to go talk to him because it's very simple this is our next guy in line here this is
00:52:27
somebody that has pointed out to us by two or three of the people that knew Julie Ann Reitz so let's go talk to him
00:52:35
because he could either be a Specht or if he has an alibi that is good then we can clear him and move on
00:52:44
with our investigation so they have to travel out to Eugene Oregon and they meet with Randy Woodfield he answers the
00:52:53
door when they knock and they're talking to him and early on in their conversation they say hey we do you know
00:53:02
somebody named Julie Ann Reitz and he says no I can't place the name I don't know anybody by that name to which
00:53:11
police follow up with the question of what would you mind coming to our Police Department and discussing some things
00:53:18
with us there right because this is what's going to set off some alarm bells for the investigators we have a guy that
00:53:27
wants to lie about knowing Julie Ann Reitz who was found murdered yet we have at least two or three people that say
00:53:34
not only did they know each other but there was some type of involvement which which is interesting because this
00:53:42
happens a lot in cases it's it's when the people when the person lies about knowing the victim the red flags go up
00:53:51
but me and you were or so we're good with faces bad with names and so it's like I could totally see you being
00:54:01
interviewed by the police and then and then asking you do you know so-and-so and you go on I don't think so you know
00:54:10
I get that but one of the witnesses are saying that they went on a date together
00:54:16
the other is saying that Randy was pursuing aggressively pursuing a relationship with Julie Ann Reitz so it
00:54:24
wasn't even it wasn't just it's not work together it's not that yeah it's not that they just happened to cross paths
00:54:31
and work together for a brief time period together and on top of that when he worked at the faucet was less than
00:54:37
half a year less than six months before they're questioning him about Julie Ann run right but it's not a it's not a good
00:54:44
deal of time and it's also others perception that they were at least friends or went on a date together right right
00:54:52
I'd say the the friends are being pursued by this guy that's definitely more of a reason why he would know her
00:54:59
than that they worked at a bar together which ton of you know there's a ton of turnover at bars too so well and think
00:55:08
about this from Randy's perspective because he doesn't know everything that the investigators that are talking to
00:55:13
him he does not know what they know right and he is technically when he's asked that question he's in a no-win
00:55:21
situation this is a lose-lose baby because if he says yes I do know her well they've already stated that they
00:55:29
are looking for somebody that knew her as a very good suspect but when he says no I did not know her this makes it a
00:55:37
double whammy because now they want to know why one we're looking for somebody that knows her but why does this man
00:55:44
want to lie and say that he does not [Music] thank you so much for joining us back in
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