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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some True [Music] Crime accused killer Sydney tier huse
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did lawyer up and he got a good one or at least an experienced one his lawyer was a man who faced more criminal murder
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defense cases I believe in the history of Canada he had argued at the time nearly 700 murder cases so if anyone
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could get tier huse a light sentence this is going to be the guy for the job tier huse did agree to talk with Dan
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zupansky and why wouldn't he have this guy seems to want to tell his story and to tell the story of the murder itself
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yeah but this is going to make his lawyer's job a little more difficult that it is Dan thought the
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case was a good one to Spotlight for his work with the peoples for justice but this case was already making headlines
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and Dan believed there was a bigger story here and this could be a book so Dan and tier huse work out a deal that
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the two of them would write this book together about the case and they would split the proceeds
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7030 the things as you just said here Captain regarding making tier Hugh's case more difficult to argue in court
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yeah 100% that is so spoton because the things that he's telling Dan zupansky one in person and two through letters
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he's talking about how not only did he kill and mutilate this poor man he seemed to or at least from his
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writings he seemed to enjoy it right he seemed to enjoy it very much he sent Dan
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several letters and even diagrams of drawings of how he dissected the body and things that he was intending to do
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if we're g hold on if we're gonna talk about dissecting there we go continue on my
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kind sir so the other thing too that we have not got to yet and you look you had
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a statement yesterday you got to clear something up for me because you said Dan was going to split the prophets
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correct now that's legal there it is and it isn't we'll get into that in in in more detail here in a minute just just
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I'll remind you later I want to Circle back to something that you said on yesterday's show and maybe a bit of a
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head scratcher for some of the people out there you talked about the length of time and we talked about the amount of
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skill that would be involved the amount of labor involved to mutilate this body in the manner that it was
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you made a statement saying this proves this points to premeditated murder and people will probably going well all of
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that all of those Acts were carried out postmortem how does that point to premeditated murder what it points to is
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that our offender that our killer very likely has a fascination with the dead has a fascination with playing and doing
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with things to a corpse and you can't have a corpse until you murder someone so it very much plays into the thought
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of was this a premeditated murder or not agree when we talked about letters that
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he sent and about diagrams that he sent to Dan talking about things he wanted to
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do or things that he did do with the body there were also acts of necrofilia oh okay tuse talked about playing with
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the body and playing with body parts he talked about partially dissecting one of
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the hands and one of the forearms tus even talked about the power that he felt when he's holding the parts of the body
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and how it made him know that he had done the right thing meaning that the murder was the right thing for him to do
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right as we said according to tier Hughes 6:20 p.m. is when he says Robin green died I mean that's pretty sick I
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mean he's he's playing flicky flicky with the with the dead tiu says he has serial kill Killers for Role Models this
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is what he tells Dan and he actually notes four killers in particular and this is Dennis neelen who he says is his
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hero Jeffrey dmer John Wayne gasy and eile waros for those not familiar Eileen waros was an American serial killer who
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murdered seven men in Florida between the years of 1989 and 1990 she shot these men at Point Blank Range
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Aileen claimed this was in self-defense and that the men had raped her or attempted to do so ailen was a sex
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worker she was convicted and executed by the state of Florida this is somebody that we at some point want to do a
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profile on episode 811 okay John Wayne gasey who we covered in episodes well this was way back then
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episodes 105 and 106 and for those that listen listen to those two episodes you will remember gasy raped tortured and
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murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young men between the years of 1972 and 1978 gasy received a much easier death
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than any of his victims when he was killed via lethal injection at the Stateville Correctional Center on May
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10th 1994 his death was confirmed in the middle of the night and actually this is
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this is a strange thing this is something I will never forget I remember hearing back in 1994 I had a paper route
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and I remember hearing on the news early that morning before anyone else in my family had got up for the day hearing
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the news that gasy had been executed Jeffrey dmer who of course is very well known in the True Crime Community also
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known as the Milwaukee cannibal or the Milwaukee monster he committed rape murder and dismemberment of 17 men and
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boys from 7 8 to 1991 he ultimately received the old prison Justice and was killed by an inmate on November 28th
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1994 these are tier Hugh's Role Models those are his words yeah well he says hero for one yeah and with with the dmer
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case um you were saying that earlier before the murder actually took place in room 309 that they were taking pictures
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is this a old-fashioned camera or is it Polaroid do no it was a disposable camera okay so did they get any evidence
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off that other than that they could place him in the room and place them together nothing other than that because
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the pictures themselves from my understanding only depict both of them being alive and well before any type of
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attack occurred right but I also wonder if he got this from dmer because dmer would take pictures at the time I think
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dmer was using a Polaroid but he would take pictures of a lot of his victims or he'd even get him to come back to his
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apartment saying hey come back I'll take some pictures of you it's it's possible
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it seems like a weird thing to do and then turn yourself in yeah there there doesn't seem to be yeah but that to me
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is good reason or to be well thought out that I'm going to take pictures to capture this moment yet I'm not going
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to view these pictures okay there's one crime that is similar with dmer where he
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picks up a man takes him back to a hotel and blacks out woke up the guy was I believe Beat to Death so that's similar
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to to dmer I I wonder if he read about some of these guys' fantasies cuz like you said the mutilation of the body
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would be proof of premeditation if he read about some of these guys fantasies and identified with them well that's why
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I'm giving a very brief look at each of these individuals that he named as his so-called role
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models and look these are people that tier Hugh likely studied and the last one that we need to go through is Dennis
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Neilson this is the one who he said was his hero now neelen was a Scottish serial killer who was convicted of
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killing six people but murdered at least 12 it's suspected that he M murdered 12
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young men between the years of 1978 and 1983 he committed these murders at his home this was at two different addresses
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in North London he strangled most of these young men he would then keep the bodies for an extended period of time he
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would eventually dissect the bodies and dispose of The Remains by burning them or flushing them down the toilet
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Syracuse claims in court that the letters that he sent to Dan zansky that's giving great detail right on how
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he committed the murder and things that he did with the body and how he enjoyed it he claims in court that these details
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he found all this information in books that he found in the the prison library at the jailhouse library and he took
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details from these different crimes of some of the killers that we previously mentioned and piece together this
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fictional story of what he tells Dan happened that it's not you can't use those letters to determine that I
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actually knew what I was doing that it was in fact premeditated murder and that I am a very very sick and Disturbed
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individual you can't use that because it was all some fiction that I came up with
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in my mind put pen to paper and send it off to Dan zupansky to try to tell or to
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assist him in telling a good story right all of these killers uh that we mentioned too is interesting that he
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list these killers in my opinion and because they're all big names these killers received a good deal of
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notoriety for the murders and for the gruesomeness of the murders that they committed Dan would learn quite a bit
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about tier huse unfortunately most of what is known about tier huse comes from Sydney tier Hugh himself he has decided
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what would be learned about him what he would tell people tier Hugh spent most of his adult
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life working as a chef he moved around quite a bit too remember we said he was from Winnipeg but moved away he actually
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lived in Vancouver amongst other places for some time tier huse moved back to Winnipeg or was in the process of doing
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so at the time of Robin Green's murder he was moving back because he had recently lost his job as a chef and he
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was let go or fired and was waiting to get back on his feet or in the process of doing so in
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Winnipeg yeah this Royal Albert hotel it was the kind of place where you could throw down a little money and stay for
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an extended period of time so I don't know for sure but unlike our victim Robin green who was simply in town to
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visit family and party for the holiday TI huse was probably there for an extended stay as he attempted to move
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back to that area before all of this tier hu didn't have much of a police record maybe not as big of or as lengthy
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of one as most would think he did have a conviction for exposing himself to a newspaper boy yeah and here you're just
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trying to deliver the papers and uh goo tuse was adopted he was an indigenous person adopted by by a white family who
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lived in Winnipeg tuse would claim abuse but of course there were never any charges to back any of this up he he
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claims to have been physically and sexually abused by some of his family members I know some of the details of
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that I don't care to go into it because I don't believe that these statements are true these are in my opinion highly
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suspect claims unsubstantiated claims of abuse and I actually liken these claims
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to be similar to those of Arthur shawcross Who after his eventual capture just seemed to lie about everything
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including abuse by members of his family right so it is through this book project
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that Dan zupansky acquires all of this information from Sydney tier huse about the murder Dan decides this stuff is
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evidence most of what Dan has of course is from tier H tier huse wrote about it himself and sent it to zansky this is
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evidence about the murder about intent of murder and truly a glimpse into the mind of the killer right and we know
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that he told the police which I I'm not sure how that works there but when they see him and and he takes them to the
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scene of the crime he said they ask how it happened he said well I did it and I chopped him up with this knife so to me
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that would be a oral confession and then it seems like zupansky is going hey this
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is a written confession all right something you wanted to get back to we need to talk about the deal the deal
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between Dan and tier Hughes to split the proceeds of this book 7030 yeah the way
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that this goes down and I will really simplify this and make it very vanilla because we don't need to go through
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every little tiny bit of this but generally speaking what we have here is Dan zansky
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is aware of current laws in place and aware of laws that are in the process of possibly being enacted right there
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was to be a law put into place it hadn't passed yet but it was to be put in place
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so that criminals could not profit from their crimes much like our son of Sam laws
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that we have which technically eventually those were ruled to be unconstitutional but there are still
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similar laws in place here in the United States that hold up the general concept
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of that idea that perpetrators cannot profit from his or her crimes right so Dan knows that this is in the process of
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being voted upon and that he's aware that it's going to pass this is not when when you go and you put this bill I
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don't even know if they call them bills up there I love when we talk other countries we know so much it's tough
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enough to figure out America yeah so well rounded we are when this bill is put up or this this act is put into
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place or to be voted upon Dan is aware that this is the type of situation that passes it's not something that sits
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around and waits and there it never passes this is a law that everybody can easily
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get behind nobody out walking around in society no normal person wants a murderer to profit from their murder
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right they just don't he goes in there with this idea knowing that T huse thinks he has leverage because tuse is
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the man holding the story he's the one holding all the information if he doesn't give that to Dan zupansky he can
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give it to somebody else so Dan wants to make it look like hey we're working on this thing together we're going to split
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the proceeds he's also aware that this law is going to pass eventually and I can flip the table flip the script on
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tier huse he's not going to get paid or profit in any way from the information that he's provided Dan's also very
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confident that tier huse will provide him with information because he seems eager to talk to someone do you think uh
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Dan zupansky would look at him in the eye and say ha got him 100% story's all mine creepo maybe now I don't know at
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the time because there are some complications with that so Dan zupansky through his correspondence with murderer
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Sydney tier huse goes from journalist and author to Star witness in this whole mess because his correspondence and the
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work and effort that Dan put in he provides the prosecution with a detailed and graphic minute-by-minute timeline of
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the crimes and the murder and then the postmortem behavior of the offend offender right also because TI huse is
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dumb enough to believe that he's communicating with a quote unquote friend he also provides his feelings and
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thoughts and puts pen to paper and writes them down to later be viewed when trying to determine his punishment for a
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very brutal and coldblooded murder right which his lawyer is probably trying to argue the defense lawyer is probably
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trying to argue that my client's insane and and and therefore and he didn't plan this so therefore it should
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be manslaughter or even less yeah second deegree murder charges back then would you would be facing if convicted a
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10 to 25e sentence all right keep that in mind as we go through the rest of this within
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those details are also tier huse writing what he's thinking and feeling as he is
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dismembering this innocent man and again he talks about the power he felt during
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the act and how severed pieces of this body how it turned him on right he felt powerful tier Hugh also believes too
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far-fetched ideologies that the savagery of this murder is going to bring him notoriety and money by committing the
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horrible act itself and then telling this putrid tale with fanciful descriptions from his writings TI huse
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was even telling Dan what to name the book or at least providing several suggestions for the title yeah what were
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those I couldn't find that list and I've seen that list somewhere in the past we
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should have reached out to Dan maybe Dan can tweet us or something if I've seen that list before and I could not find it
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anywhere within this past week or so but Dan if you're listening tweet us the book itself is called trophy kill and
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that is one of the suggestions provided to Dan from tier Hughes and Dan had to testify against tier Hughes this is
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scary stuff this is scary for many reasons we know what T huse is capable of right we know what he has done that
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is not in dispute at this trial what is in dispute is was this premeditated and did he of his own power and of his own
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control commit this horrible act and murder we talked about the two for one deal this this is why this makes this
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super scary right Dan zupansky has to testify against this guy against the guy that he fooled that he tricked right the
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two for one deal states that while you're in jail waiting for your court date you get two for one time served
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because of the it's more harsh or it's considered to be more harsh by Canadian law while you're waiting for your trial
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rather than serving your time in prison so we're going to give you double time for it remember we said if this thing
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goes to second degree murder the penalty is 10 to 25 years tier Hughes managed to if he was
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managed to get it reduced to second degree murder or manslaughter which many of these cases
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do go that rout out right right he's going to get a lighter shorter sentence and then right and plus he gets double
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time for the time served right meaning if Sydney T huse gets 12 15 years something like that he's already served
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10 years of that okay let me get into that real quick the trial took five years to get to wow he sat in jail
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waiting for a court date for 5 years that's well that's of his own doing right right right he's manipulating the
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system system him and his lawyer claim that he's not getting a proper jury trial that he should get a jury of his
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peers and because he's an indigenous person that they should be basically he he wants the peers to be exactly like
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him make up a jury of people exactly like me and watch [ __ ] stains that's not how it works uh we need a whole jury of
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[ __ ] stains your honor but think about this if he only gets 10 years we could be talking about about parole hearings
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as soon as this dude is convicted zansky Could Be A Marked Man yeah tier Hugh fortunately his next trophy does not
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this doesn't work out in his favor or to the extent that his lawyer was trying to
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manipulate the system he does get convicted of murder he does receive that life sentence with possible parole at 25
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00:28:13
some things that I wanted to get into before we wrap up today some what I believe to be very important questions
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here that come to mind when reviewing this case and questions that I think need to be discussed for one do you or
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do the people out there believe that tier huse actually killed for fame and notoriety I could see somebody saying
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yes because there's some evidence of that I'm going to say no because I think that's after the fact I think this was
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more about the thrill and the power that he would seek afterwards MH and and possibly these fantasies that he had
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that he wanted to carry out because it was so horrendous that I think it was like a byproduct like he thought well
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now that this has happened and now that I possibly could spend my whole life in in prison how can I profit off this or
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how can I make something of myself yeah I don't know that he killed for fame or notoriety I'm I'm kind of with you on
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that a little bit in the sense that maybe he figured there's no way of getting out of this and we've already
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stated he says serial killers were his role models maybe he saw some of the fame and
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notoriety that they received from their crimes and thought well if I'm going to have to do the time at least maybe I
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make myself a somewhat of a name right now if in fact he did I'm not g I don't know that I would go as far to say that
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he didn't I I really feel on the fence regarding that question and that is a big question that comes up in this case
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but if tier huse did in fact kill for fame and notoriety look we already know he would
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not have been the only person to ever do so Luca magnata killed and dismembered Lyn June and there's no doubt that he
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did that for what he presumed to be Fame he he did receive International notoriety not so much for the murder but
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because he packaged and mailed off the hands and feet of the victim to elementary schools into Political party
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headquarters and because of the video he released on the internet depicting the murder
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scene I'm sure there are probably plenty more but Luca of course is is the one that first comes to mind also though I
00:30:42
think there's also evidence against that he did it for fame because if he's telling these people later that hey
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these were my heroes these serial killers well as far as we know this is his only kill
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and so I think if it was like oh well if I kill somebody and I do it in such a horrific manner I can keep
00:31:06
killing and I'll have to keep killing and keep doing so in a horrific manner just like my quote unquote Heroes right
00:31:14
but I think the thing when we talk about somebody like Luca magnat is he set it up in a way that he
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would be able to kill one person and receive that same notoriety be be lumped in with some of the worst of the worst
00:31:32
but having only killed one right but you bring up a my other question which is an
00:31:37
interesting one to ponder is tier huse possibly a serial killer what what do you think the chances are that he has
00:31:45
killed before this I mean this is pretty gruesome stuff here even by serial killer standard so making it somewhat
00:31:55
difficult to believe that this is tier hu's first go at homicide yeah I think because of his small criminal history
00:32:04
one can say well this is possibly the first one and and he also confessed to it pretty quickly it's almost like once
00:32:12
he came to or claims to come to is when he goes oh I must have did this and I need to tell somebody and but it's so
00:32:22
horrific that's the evidence that you go well this person has the ability to have
00:32:30
done this before yeah and it appears that he has the fasination to have done this before yeah
00:32:38
that this is some kind of fantasy that he eventually lived out or maybe it's one that he has in fact lived out in a
00:32:47
different manner once or twice or three times before the thing is with this case
00:32:53
you're not going to find another one that is identical to this postmortem Behavior by the
00:33:01
offender right but the confession that you reference is really truly the first thing that makes I believe would make
00:33:11
one say no he's not done this before because he in fact did turn himself in but well it seemed like he couldn't stop
00:33:21
confessing somewhat I mean here's the thing the confession I think when we see behaviors of other
00:33:31
individuals maybe we take that away and say okay that is not a 100% indicator that he has not in fact killed before
00:33:39
because we have seen scenarios some like that of Ed keer I mean he killed and killed and killed and oddly enough he
00:33:47
dismembered corpses too but then one day he turned himself in right then you have
00:33:53
someone like Wayne Adam Ford dubbed the remorseful serial killer also out in California just like keer Ford killed
00:34:03
Four Women and then one day just walks into a police station with a severed breast in his pocket for Effective proof
00:34:11
mind you and confesses to being a serial killer now some believe that this man may have killed more but only telling
00:34:20
the police about the ones that he wanted to leaving out some of the kills and confessing to others and all of this for
00:34:27
one reason or another and unfortunately Ford if in fact he did kill more than for only he would know
00:34:34
the reasons why he would confess to some but not others usually Captain what I have
00:34:42
always looked for in this type of scenario when we talk about confessed killers and why they would confess to
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some but not others is the obvious in in our great country some states have a possible penalty of death right for
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one's crimes and others do not that making sense why someone might confess to a murder in one state but choose to
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leave out a murder that they've done in another state and we've also talked about shame and of course it's hard to
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believe that someone capable of murdering multiple individuals would have any form of shame but it seems that
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they do we know this from someone like Ted Bundy who was a partially Confessor of his crimes right
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and his confessions he hinted at and made reference to acts of necrofilia but never outright admitted to it and we
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know that on February 9th 1978 Ted abducted and killed 12-year-old Kimberly leech but that wasn't a crime he was
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willing to confess to right but I think it goes back to what you're were saying before is well they the the selfish
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reason of well I'm not going to admit to killing somebody in this State because I'd get the death penalty but I also
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think they Adit they omit any killings of children because they know that could mean the death penalty for them in jail
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because we we have seen uh time and time again that the people that have committed crimes against children they
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they get punished well in the situation with Sydney tier huse is just this he was hoping that because he
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claims to be all drugged up and intoxicated that he's going to get a second degree murder
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charge or a manslaughter charge and this will not this doesn't mean he's spending
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life in prison right or that he's spending 25 years in prison so if I walk into a what I believe to be police
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department and tell them I woke up and found some guy chopped up in my hotel room I must have killed him right that
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plays to me hopefully getting second degree murder charges or manslaughter charges now if I say within that same
00:37:07
sitdown meeting oh by the way I also did this in Vancouver and I also did this in
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Edmonton I did it in U you know any other place right but by the way I blacked out in all those cases it's
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going to make it seem like now we're talking about a premeditated murder hands down right and that his
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defense is not that he didn't kill this man his defense is that he was not of his own control thus light severely
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lessening the sentence that he would receive and by the way maybe I'm going to receive a little bit of notoriety a
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little bit of Fame and a little bit of money along the way while I sit here and and wait to be released back to the
00:37:49
public yeah it's really a tricky thing the thing with tier Hughes too I'm I would be curious to know more about why
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and when he chose to pack everything up and move to a different city I'm curious
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what is the actual reasons and the why and the how of him moving back to Winnipeg and him moving from Vancouver
00:38:17
right if you're a chef in Canada Vancouver from my understanding or Toronto is where you want to be he was
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in Vancouver at one time that's the place he's going to make the most money that's going to be the most opportunity
00:38:31
and the most jobs for somebody of that profession right is there unsolved crime that he possibly would fit the bill for
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yeah did it get too hot in the kitchen he decided to run to hot in the hot tub Dan zansky was a volunteer journalist a
00:38:49
wannabe true crime author this story picked him and I'm glad that it did Dan zupansky received a lot of extreme ex
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unwarranted criticism for his efforts to get to the truth and to present the truth to the public the public that
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would be just as afraid as Dan was if they just took the time to educate and understand the true gravity of this
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situation and the dangers that someone like tier Hughes presents to any society that chooses to allow him to live in
00:39:22
that Society I said volunteer journalists and I said one to be true crime author and I said that with
00:39:29
extreme respect to Dan Dan didn't go to school to be a journalist and later when
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his book titled trophy kill came out he was then criticized by people in that profession saying Dan is not a true
00:39:43
journalist a journalist is someone who collects writes and shares information with the public Dan is every bit of a
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real and true journalist and one very big giant step above those that critiqued him and above and better than
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those who just push fluff pieces for a paycheck right Dan is a journalist with Integrity a man that cares about the
00:40:09
truth and that worked his butt off on this tar huse Robin green case getting the story straight from the mouth of the
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monster and then provided that truth to the public he truly performed a real Act
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of Public Service here so I just understand the the [Music] [Music] criticism want to thank everybody for
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Nick do we have a recommended reading for this week of course we do if you go to True Crim garage.com and click on the
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recommended page you will see a lot of recommendations from two guys in a garage listed right there for you this
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week we are recommending of course trophy kill the shall we dance murder the trial and Revelations of a
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psychopathic Killer by our good friend longtime friend of the show Dan zupansky check that out on our website yeah Dan
00:41:18
zupansky the king of True Crime until next week everybody be good be kind and don't litter
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