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talk some true crime at least seven women stabbed and murdered a series of murders in the
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Connecticut River Valley you suspect it was the work of a serial killer all were stabbed multiple times
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times and that's why I'm here to look for results to have results to give those families an answer
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34 years have passed since Jane barowski sped through the New Hampshire night pregnant covered in blood and stab
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wounds Jan barasi was just 22 years old and several months pregnant and didn't know it that night but she may have been
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a Serial Killer's only Survivor late in the evening of Saturday August 6th 1988 Jan barowski is driving home from
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the county fair in Kean New Hampshire along the way she decided to stop and grab a soda for the remainder
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of her drive she stopped at a convenience store in West Swansea the little store was closed but
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no big deal there's a vending machine out front Jane pulls into a spot right in front of the
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store by this time it's already dark out the parking area is small and not well lit there does not seem to be anyone
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else around she got out of her car and walked up to the well-lit soda machine she put
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in a couple of quarters made her selection and bingo the can drops to the open slot in the machine near her
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knees she grabbed the can turns around and immediately notices that someone else has pulled pulled into the parking
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lot a Jeep Wagoner parked right next to her car Jane returns to her vehicle through her rear view mirror she notices
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the driver of the Wagoner walking around the back of her vehicle it's a man and he approached
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Jane's open driver side door window he says something like hey is that pay phone working Jane starts to
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answer when the man immediately grabs the door handle and opens the car door he grabs her and pulled her from the
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vehicle as he's pulling her from the vehicle Jane screams and says to the man please don't hurt me I'm
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pregnant now she's out of the car the two struggle during which the man accused her of beating up his girlfriend
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and asked if she had Massachusetts plates on her car barowski responded that she had New
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Hampshire plates Jane manages to break free from the attack she tries to flee the man chases after he grabs Jane and
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then he stabs her 27 times the man then calmly walks back to his vehicle opens the door and gets in
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then he drives off this is true crime garage and this is the true story of the still unsolved
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case of the Connecticut River Valley killer at least seven women stabbed and murdered the series of murders in the
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Connecticut River Valley you suspect it was the work of a serial killer all were stabbed multiple times
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times and that's why I'm here to look for results to have results to give those families an
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answer on a Wednesday night in October of 1991 I remember being a little boy sitting down to tune in to one of my
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favorite television shows Unsolved Mysteries my favorite Mysteries back then were the Legends things like the
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Bermuda Triangle and the yeti my least favorite Mysteries featured on the show were the Lost loves selfishly I thought
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let these people find each other on their own time because this is my time one hour each week that I get to tune in
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and be amazed and intrigued by the Mysteries out there in the real world many of them because of my young age I
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was learning about for the very first time all with the great voice and delivery of Robert Stack to lead us
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through each story now on the night of October 9th 1991 without any prior knowledge I was going to learn about
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something much more terrifying than magnetic and frequency issues leading aircrafts to disappear in the western
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part of the North Atlantic Ocean or some mysterious hairy aplike creature that inhabits the Himalayan Mountain range on
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this night's episode Mr stack is schooling us all on the subject of serial killers the first mystery of that
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week's show flashed on the screen with the bright blue letters the Bold blue word hit my screen and it read wanted
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the title of the case was the Connecticut River Valley killer my first thought was well I might have a hard
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time falling asleep tonight Stacks lead in was as follows police estimate that there may be as many as 100 serial
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killers living among us on our streets and in our neighborhoods they are cruel and calculating choosing victims
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indiscriminately with little or no remorse for their actions the overwhelming task for authorities is to
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determine how how the serial killer thinks and hopefully learn where and when he might strike again one such
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investigation is currently underway in New England since 1978 the bodies of seven young women
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have been discovered within a 50m radius in the Connecticut River Valley along the New Hampshire Vermont border near
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Route 91 police believe that six of them were abducted and taken to remote wooded
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areas where they were murdered all suffered similar stab wounds most were found off
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dirt roads none were sexually assaulted and police began to suspect that the murders were the work of the same
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individual a serial killer pretty haunting scene you see Robert Stack walking through the woods with his
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trench coat on it and I believe the comment was something like FBI believes that there's over a hundred serial
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killers out there and you're like well if there's this this herial killer and he's responsible for 7even eight murders
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then times that by 100 and you got 800 and some victims out there yeah and he's reciting a stat that was well
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delivered for the time anyway so back in the 80s and the 90s one typical conversation that was always being had
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about serial killers well how many are there and it was almost like you would think of them like Senators well there's
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probably two in every state was the General thought and so that's how you come up with that number of 100 now
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while Stacks narration was spoton as usual a few updates one today the estimated number of serial killers
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walking amongst us just here the United States is between 350 to 500 another terrifying update here Captain the cases
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covered in this segment of Unsolved Mysteries that aired over 30 years ago well they're still unsolved many of them
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on the Cold Case shelves in Vermont and New Hampshire and the one that they call
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the Connecticut River Valley killer has never been apprehended for these homicides nor has anybody else the
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Connecticut River Valley killer is the name given to an unidentified American serial killer believed to be responsible
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for a series of stabbing murders mostly in and around Claremont New Hampshire and the Connecticut River Valley
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primarily in the 1980s yeah that's some scary statistics anyone that would like to view the unsolved mystery segment for
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themselves this case was featured on episode four of season 4 of Unsolved Mysteries and that is currently
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available to view for free on Amazon Prime yes I just watched it again this week we briefly discussed the attack and
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the attempted murder of Jane barasi in today's trailer leading into this week's case she is interviewed on Unsolved
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Mysteries for their episode as well her voice is disguised and she appears Only In the Shadows on the show to help
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maintain her anonymity now keep in mind if she is as the show portrays the only living Survivor of this killer of women
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well this is for not just for her safety number one and the safety of the case as
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it stands because if they can prove that any of these cases are in fact connected
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to each other or to the horrifying attack that took place and nearly killed Jane barasi some 34 years ago well then
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she would have been Paramount to the prosecution in the state's case against the offender once identified arrested
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and charged right a Vermont newspaper this is the Rutland Daily Herald did a follow-up article on the
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show's coverage of this case now keep in mind at the time in the late 80s even into the early 90s this case had many of
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the women in the area terrified and of course the case had the detectives perplexed nobody could really
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agree if these cases were all connected or how many of them were connected amongst the cases that they had
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outstanding the detectives had some leads but one thing that we are going to see in this case Captain is that the
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remains of some of these victims were not located for a considerable amount of time this of course causing a major
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issue for these investigations remember we've discussed this all the time here in the garage that time is the killer
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time is the killer of evidence of witnesses of their memories what persons with key information in any case can
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verify or even remember we just time does not help as it goes by these investigations well in this area too as
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well as heavily wooded area New Hampshire Vermont area a lot of back roads a lot of places to hide bodies
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here's a good summary of that follow-up article the headline was exciting and intriguing and it reads Mystery Show
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leads to tip on i91 murder in fact the article states that the New Hampshire State Police received about 800 tips
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from around the nation since Unsolved Mysteries aired their coverage of the case months earlier the article goes on
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to state that the New Hampshire and Vermont state police are investigating crimes including the murder of Barbara
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agnu a Norwich nurse who disappeared January of 1987 from a rest area off of northbound Interstate 91 near White
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River Junction Barbara's body was found 11 weeks later 89 ft off of an isolated Road in Heartland police said her death
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was caused by multiple stab wounds Barbara ago's murder at the time was one of seven unsolved homicides in the
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Connecticut River Valley since 1978 now this article goes on to point out something very important to this
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case and is stated as although police have not officially linked the killings they were portrayed as the work of a
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serial killer on Unsolved Mysteries New Hampshire state police detective Sergeant clay young said quote that is
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one Theory which we have investigated but have not fully endorsed he said the decision by the unsolved mysteres crew
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to portray the killings as serial crimes probably made it more appealing to viewers quote it gave exposure to the
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case it did generate phone calls from all over the country anything that keeps it in the eye of the public we welcome
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end quote it's really hard to definitively connect these cases because because the physical evidence was so
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there was so much Decay that we have a lack of physical evidence in these cases some of them are not found for weeks
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months or even years after they disappeared and like the captain pointed out many of these victims are believed
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to have been stabbed to death that gets a little complicated when you have such decomposition with some of these victims
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to actually discern exactly what took place or how the victim may have even been killed let's get into the victims
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here and some of the victimology in this case the short version of it is this that for roughly 10 years between 1978
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and 1988 eight women were murdered in the Connecticut River Valley region that straddles the border of Vermont and New
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Hampshire all of these victims are believed to have been stabbed many in a specific pattern across the upper body
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and abdomen again that gets very hard to decipher in some of these cases because
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of such levels of decomposition right two questions remain amongst others are all or some of
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these victims connected to one killer or is one or multiple Killers still free the first one in the
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series many consider this to be the first one is the unsolved 1978 homicide of Katherine milikin on October 24th
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1978 Katherine milikin age 26 she was last seen photographing birds at the Chandler Brook Wetland Preserve
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in New London New Hampshire her body was found just yards from where she had been
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taking these photographs and it was determined later that she had been stabbed over 20 times she's one of the
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cases Captain where she's last seen in this area her body's found not ter terribly far from where she's last seen
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there doesn't seem to be any kind of threat that anybody else recognized at the time yet she's found and she's one
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that is actually she's one of the few victims that were actually found relatively
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quickly next that brings us to Mary Elizabeth kitley the details of her case are as such Mary kitley was last seen on
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July 25th 1981 near Exit 13 of the Massachusetts Turnpike in Farmingham Massachusetts Mary had been dropped off
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there by a friend and was then going to be hitchhiking to Waterbury Vermont this
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is where she lived with another friend Mary was attending classes at the University of Vermont and at the time of
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her death was working to get this education finish her schooling and go into a career sadly her body was found
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on August 9th 1981 in the woods off of Unity Stage Road in unity New Hampshire the medical examiner was not able to
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determine a cause of death because of the condition of the body so there's extenuating circumstances here Captain
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we know that the circumstances surrounding her disappearance and her death are considered by law enforcement
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to be suspicious and that's why this victim's name finds itself on this list and as a potential victim in this series
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right but the complications in the condition of body did not allow the medical examiner to determine the cause
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of death even though she's found relatively quickly notice that we have she's last seen July 25th and her body
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is recovered August 9th well again like I said this is a breeding ground for serial killers this is a you have heavy
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heavily wooded areas and then those areas which are not highly they're not highly trafficked
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by by individuals and then you have a plethora of rodents and other animals that are going to get to these victims
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the problem being with a lot of these cases and you take a look at them and when you dissect the case you start to
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see similarities you'll see similarities with these victims where some of them were hitchhiking were known to hitchhike
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and were known to be in the act of hitchhiking on the day that they were last seen and then you compound that
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with the location of where the bodies are recovered from later and it looks like you have if not the same killer in
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a lot of these cases you at least have someone with a relatively trite M Mo but a very
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similar modus operandi picking up a hitchhiker picking up a stranger and then went discarding of the body in a
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remote wooded area yeah I would define all these cases as crimes of opportunity but I believe this killer or
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Killers is putting themselves in the right positions for those opportun those opportunities I think
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you're spoton and and the experts would agree with you in this case captain that
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you're exactly right these are mainly victims of uh crimes of opportunity Predator spots prey random procures them
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whether it's snatch and grab talking them into a vehicle or showing some kind of threat gun or
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threat and forcing them into to being captive now a captive victim and you're exactly right we often
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in anything that we do we often create our own opportunities right and what you have here is very high probability that
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if look I I'll go ahead and get it out of the way now we don't need to dance around it too
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much I don't think that all of these cases are in fact connected to one killer I do believe however that several
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of them are in fact the work of one individual and I think it gets a little difficult to to decide which ones belong
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in that category and which ones don't but whoever whoever committed these crimes
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is somebody that was out looking for somebody right I think that the the perpetrator of several of these
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homicides was somebody that was out trolling in the area trolling near Interstate 91 for a good deal of time
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for several years and you're right crimes of opportunity but the killer created their own Opportunity by
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constantly be driving out by themselves trolling around in their free time and looking for a potential victim
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that brings us to Bernice courtmanche that brings us to Bernice courtman she was only 17 years old she
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was last seen alive around 3:30 in the afternoon on May 30th 1984 she was last seing hitchhiking on
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Route 12 this is near Claremont New Hampshire she was working as an assistant at a nursing home part-time
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while also attending High School course manie was a nurse's aid and she's last seen on the 30th of May 1984 she's
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reported missing the very next day authorities said that her skeletal remains were found nearly two years
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later so this was April 19th 1986 The Remains were discovered off of cat Hole Road in Newport her body was
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decomposed an autopsy revealed that Ki had been stabbed to death Court man's case has been popularly
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linked to these this series of crimes the unsolved killings of the Conneticut River Valley killer but Cold Case
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officials don't believe that all of the cases that we are going to discuss are connected the thing that they keep
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pointing out though when they anytime that they say we don't believe that all of these cases are in fact connected
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they usually followed up with a statement that's similar to this saying that the possibility can't be fully in
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investigated until one of these cases gets solved which makes sense so you have this this span of and depending on
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where you go for your information or who you talk to you get a varying degree of
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how many victims are we actually talking about that could be in this series and unfortunately we're going to be telling
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you the same thing that we we can't look at all these cases and say they're all 100% connected no ifs ANS or butts but
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again I feel strongly that many of these cases very likely are connected so those
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numbers we keep seeing saying eight women or 10 women but really those numbers vary captain from as few as
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seven victims all the way up to potentially 13 or 14 victims I would actually argue that it could be double
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that and the reason why is because like I said this is a these are grounds for every hitchhiker that we have in this
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area that we then found the remains of how many of these hitchhikers were never found and so yes we have eight bodies
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that are found now we got to figure out if these bodies are connected in any way
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shape or form but how many victims did they not find how many missing persons within
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this time frame and roughly this area and again law enforcement is putting these crimes within 50 miles is the
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hunting ground for this individual or multiple individuals even further than that so if you then figure out that a
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couple of these cases might be connected and you got to put them in this group over here group a and then you connect a
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couple other of the other victims and they're connected and put them in group b and now we got two killers how many
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victims are not found in that area and I think here one thing that I paid close attention to Captain was more so where
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the victims were last seen or what evidence suggests to where the abduction took place or where whatever went wrong
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started to occur because and this is going to sound very cold of me to say this but this is
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nothing new here in the garage we talked about this way back when we first covered the Tony Anthony Muny case we
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had seen in several cases in the 80s where victims were either abducted or something went down that which led to
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their death their murder in Columbus or the Greater Columbus area but it was not
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uncommon especially in the 80s it's still unfortunately not uncommon today to then find a Columbus victim to
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find their body in Delaware County north of Columbus right north of Franklin County and
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sometimes unfortunately you have a situation where you find bodies in similar areas over a great length of
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time or a period of time and it doesn't necessarily mean that all the cases have
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to be connected sometimes unfortunately again this is going to sound cold but sometimes there's just good places to
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put a body and therefore people do it well and it's an easy place because of the terrain you just to get lost yeah
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and you see that in the Unsolved Mysteries coverage too when it shows Robert Stack and then later shows the
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psychologist who helped police on the case them walking through this wooded area and very quickly when you're
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looking at this segment and you see them in the woods you go yeah I kind of get it why somebody would place the body
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there and that you have these cases where the remains are not found for months or even years we have two years
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almost two years in this last case that we just talked about in Bernice's case and you understand why it took so
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long for the body to be recovered there's nothing that suggests that anybody held Bernice kche for a long
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period of time right it's very likely that unfortunately she was killed shortly after she was abducted or
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shortly after she hitchhiked and got into the wrong vehicle and so it you you can look at the terrain as youve pointed
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out and understand that there are a reason why a killer or somebody that killed somebody would place a a victim
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there it's in the hopes that they're not recovered or if they are recovered that
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time is the Killer in evidence has been destroyed due to time that leads us now to Ellen freed from Newport she was age
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26 when she was last seen talking on a pay phone she was talking to her sister on the pay phone outside of Leo's Market
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this is a convenience store small convenience store in Claremont this took place July 22nd
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1984 Fred's sister would later tell investigators that at one point during their phone
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conversation her sister Ellen told her that a car had driven by and out of fear freed had checked to make sure that
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the engine of her own car was still working that this car had spooked her that had drove by I'm getting the
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feeling here that she probably saw the vehicle more than one on one occasion if she's checking to make sure that her
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engine is still working and then noting that to her sister there's a bunch of things in this case or these cases that
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bother me or give law enforcement trouble one is just lack of eyewitnesses but this case in particular
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out of all of them really haunts me because CU we've all been there when we've been somewhere or we feel like a
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car is following us or something doesn't seem right seems like in some of these cases like especially with The
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Hitchhikers they were hitchhiking and got into the wrong vehicle mhm but in this scenario she's well aware of what's
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happening and she's well aware there's something not right going on here and then she goes
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missing yeah and her case reminds me Captain of Jane Bar's case the Survivor and it also reminds me of
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another one of these cases I can see some connections in some of these cases and some some
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similarities as we go through these now she's last seen last heard of talking to her sister
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on this pay phone then a few days later Ellen Freed's car was found two miles from the Leo's Market where she was on
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the phone with her sister her skeletal remains were found in a wooded area next to the Sugar River this in Kellyville in
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the Great Kellyville area of Newport New Hampshire now her remains are not recovered until September 19th
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1985 so again we have a situation this is over a year later after she was last heard from alive and well the autopsy
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revealed the cause of death to be undetermined again because the the skeletal remains were in such a state of
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decomposition that it didn't really give proof positive evidence as to how she was killed however the circumstances of
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her disappearance and the findings at the scene where her body was later recovered were consistent with Ellen
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having been sexually assaulted before her death the case has been treated as a homicide her body was found in the same
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wooded area as Bernice kmane we also have the unsolved homicide of Ava Morse her remains were found in
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Unity on April 25th 1986 she was 27 years of age at the time that she went missing she was last seen on the morning
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of July 10th 1985 hitchhiking on Route 12 near North Charleston New Hampshire the medical examiner determined that
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during dog walking sessions this now Captain brings us to one of the more difficult victims in
00:36:15
this series for me anyway and this is the victim Linda Moore who was aged 36 and
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I'm going to go ahead and throw this out here right now her murder her the details surrounding
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her murder and the speculation on her case is is enough to cover one or two episodes on her own and this is the one
00:36:42
to me where I quickly look at it and have a very difficult time lumping it in with the others this case is quite
00:36:49
different in my mind simply because she was killed inside of her house in seon's
00:36:55
River Vermont on April 15th 1986 so we know she wasn't out hitchhiking we know that she
00:37:03
wasn't found you know somebody out trolling around and finds a a potential victim at a rest area or on a pay
00:37:12
phone this woman was found killed in her own home we know where her body was found and her body you know it wasn't
00:37:19
like she was at a pay phone and that that her body was found in the woods like some of the other victims but
00:37:28
this is what I think makes it so difficult for law enforcement about connecting these cases is because if you
00:37:36
have these killers and we've see this all the time these killers could have a loop oh
00:37:44
well I I drive to this gas station because they have a pay phone and I see if anybody's at the pay phone and then I
00:37:50
go to this rest stop and I see if anybody's there and then I drive along the freeway and see if anybody's
00:37:55
hitchhiking and see if if anybody's car broke down right and is it possible that
00:38:02
this killer stops at a convenient store and and sees her and follows her back to
00:38:08
the house that's a possibility too the good thing for the investigation in her case is that you have a good deal more
00:38:17
of evidence and information to really try to hone in on what exactly went down and who is responsible for her homicide
00:38:26
where you don't have that in many of these other cases so in the case of Linda Moore look that afternoon her husband is
00:38:34
the one that found her stabbed to death inside their home and the there there's this tragic story this true tragic story
00:38:42
of not only of this wonderful lady this mother of two who was killed in her own home but they tried
00:38:52
to okay so her husband finds her in the afternoon he drove home from work discovers his
00:39:00
wife has been murdered and inside their home the police are now on the scene and
00:39:08
they're looking through the evidence and trying to figure out what happened but at the same time they are scrambling to
00:39:15
stop the school buses so the school buses are out in the area and they're driving the kids home from school that
00:39:23
day Linda Moore's two children were on a bus in route to their home they were scheduled to be dropped off at any
00:39:30
minute that's awful and of course the father and police nobody wanted the children hopping off the bus walking
00:39:38
right into this murder scene and and seeing their mother and this condition they hadn't even removed the body from
00:39:45
the scene yet and the police tried their damnedest but this is one of those additional tragic stories that
00:39:53
comes along with these stories that we tell each week that they kept stopping bus after
00:39:59
bus they couldn't get a car to the bus that actually had Linda Moore's children on it in time the kids showed up and
00:40:06
were dropped off at the driveway of their home now fortunately by that time of course we already have their father
00:40:14
on the scene he's the one that discovered Linda having been stabbed to death but the grandparents had also been
00:40:20
notified and were on on the scene and able to intercept the children put them in their car
00:40:27
and unfortunately deliver the bad news then and there to them at that time so they didn't have to witness anything
00:40:34
unnecessarily but it just one of those weird stories where police did their damnest to try to spare further
00:40:43
trauma now prior to being stabbed Linda Moore was sunbathing on her lawn several people were seen
00:40:52
outside of Linda Moore's household including a mysterious dark-haired man with cheap sunglasses I I should be
00:40:59
clear with cheap glasses there's nothing to indicate that they were sunglasses and a blue napsack although Linda Moore
00:41:06
was not left in the woods like the other victims her body she was stabbed in that
00:41:14
specific pattern shown in other stabbing victims in the valley profiler John philpin who we talked about he's the
00:41:21
psychologist that assisted police in this investigation and others related to the Connecticut River Valley
00:41:30
homicides he believes that it's possible that the killer had been interrupted which prevented him from then moving the
00:41:37
body to a more secluded area or more secluded location like we found with some of the other victims the other
00:41:44
thing that gets difficult in these cases Captain is trying to determine where the
00:41:51
victim was killed I'm of the belief that it's it's possible that some of the victims were killed where they were
00:41:58
found or near where they were found but like you had said earlier there's also the possibility in one two or several of
00:42:05
these cases they may have been killed in a vehicle or killed elsewhere and then transported to the secluded area for the
00:42:12
purposes of hoping that the bodies would not be found and like we said there's not a lot of
00:42:18
eyewitnesses that are connected to these cases so we don't have a vehicle that we're looking at that connects all these
00:42:26
cases together after the murder of Linda Moore this brings us to what many believe to be the last of the deceased
00:42:33
victims this is Barbara agnu who was 38 when she vanished agnu was a divorce a with a young son she was working as a
00:42:43
nurse at a cardiac unit Barbara was last seen at the Stratton Vermont ski area where she had been skiing with her
00:42:51
friends in January of 1987 her V vehicle this is a BMW was found at a Interstate 91 Northbound rest
00:43:02
stop in Hartford Vermont on the 10th this is just a few miles from her home on March 28th her
00:43:11
body was found and it was determined that she had been stabbed to death in the rural area of Heartland Vermont she
00:43:18
too displayed that v-shaped stabbing pattern this case is is really weird to me too because where her B where her
00:43:28
vehicle is found is just a few miles from her home so police friends and family have been baffled as to why
00:43:37
Barbara agnu would stop her vehicle that night she's heading home and as said her car was later
00:43:45
located just a few miles from her home now some have suggested that look the snow was heavy that night maybe she
00:43:52
decided to take a break from driving maybe she wanted wanted to throw out some garbage from her vehicle or even
00:43:59
make a phone call at a pay phone at that rest area but or the simplest thing is that she had to use the restroom yes
00:44:08
that that's on that list of of speculation why why did she stop again many people have said but if she if it
00:44:15
wasn't an emergency why stop at all when the vehicle she's just a couple miles from her home you know 2 three four more
00:44:22
minutes she's at home I look at this and wonder if we have a completely different
00:44:29
situation in this case that we might not have in some of the other ones I wonder
00:44:35
if she had been forced off of the road or someone someone tricked her into stopping somewhere along the way and
00:44:44
that could this be a situation where the killer or Killers moved her vehicle after yeah very possible but like I said
00:44:52
and and it's scary to think about and once we get to Jane's case because Jane stopped
00:45:05
um cuz in Jane's case she stopped to get a a soda at a vending machine so to just
00:45:13
to think about this we have a killer that is going in some kind of pattern and he's checking the areas that people
00:45:22
hitchhike at he's checking convenience stores he's checking for people that or uh their cars have broke down on the
00:45:30
side of the road he's checking rest stops he's checking pay phones he's checking places that are vending
00:45:36
machines and it's probably there's there's probably some kind of high that he's getting just by going into these
00:45:45
locations knowing that he might be finding a victim well then once you see somebody at these locations well how
00:45:54
many people are around is their opportunity for you to pounce yeah and I think you're exactly right here in this
00:46:01
situation Captain I think that it's very similar to some BTK activity you know after Dennis Raider
00:46:09
was arrested and even tried and convicted and and and he pled guilty to a lot of
00:46:16
charges one thing that was weird was they the experts and the authorities kept pointing out to him you know you're
00:46:24
one of the the stranger serial killers because you unlike most of them stopped killing well first of all very few
00:46:33
serial killers killed for the length of time that right Dennis Raider did and so
00:46:40
naturally there are going to be times when they stop killing and stop is a weird word to use because it's more like
00:46:47
a pause right it's a pause between homicides and Raider pointed out he said look no I never stopped killing I made
00:46:55
not have actually killed anybody after this this last homicide but the Act of Killing involved so many other things
00:47:05
for him and a large part of that was trolling and driving and and the excitement that he got looking for
00:47:12
victims or his projects as he would later call them and you may have a similar situation here where this guy
00:47:22
doesn't ever truly stop killing he just didn't acquire a victim he was always out driving and looking around and like
00:47:30
you said had his spots where he would like to go these hot spots that he's checking for a potential victim and a
00:47:38
pay phone given the time frame and given the cases that we've brought up and the
00:47:43
victims that we've brought up payones seem to be wrapped up into a lot of this guy's trolling or the methods that he's
00:47:51
using the other thing going back to this idea where maybe you have have this one
00:47:57
case where Barbara anu's car may have been moved later to throw off investigators I think you can go back to
00:48:09
the Ellen freed case as well age 26 she's on the pay phone talking to her sister they find her vehicle a couple of
00:48:17
miles from that Leo's Market that convenience store where she was last known to be alive and
00:48:24
well you know did did this killer find a way how do you find a way if Ellen gets
00:48:32
back in her vehicle and starts to drive off when they find her vehicle there's no signs that there was a struggle in
00:48:40
the vehicle there's no signs that the vehicle wasn't working she had mentioned to her sister hey this car has spooked
00:48:48
me that's driven by it spooked me so much I was double-checking to make sure that my engine still works so I can get
00:48:55
in the vehicle now could she have run into car trouble and they weren't able to trace that when they found her
00:49:00
vehicle yes that could be a situation but if her car was working fine as she indicated to her sister then how does
00:49:09
she get back in her vehicle she's already spooked she's already said that to her sister spooked enough to double
00:49:14
check that the engine worked how does then somebody trick her out of her vehicle or get her out of her vehicle to
00:49:20
me it almost looks like a situation where she may have never got back into that vehicle and whoever got a hold of
00:49:26
her did it before so and then chose to move her vehicle because they when they spotted their victim they spotted her on
00:49:35
the pay phone they wanted to distance that vehicle or finding Ellen freed from that pay phone yeah or the attacker
00:49:45
attacks her in her car and takes off in her car uh then doubles back on foot to get his vehicle and you're right captain
00:49:54
that could be the scenario because we know with Jane Bar's case our surviving victim that she was taken from her
00:50:02
vehicle so yes we could see a similar Mo in some of these other cases all right I
00:50:07
think it's now time this is the part of the case captain that I like to call the
00:50:13
great debate the reasons for and reasons against that these cases are in fact all
00:50:22
connected now a great website New England un solved blog spot made a list for similarities between the cases as
00:50:30
well as a list of a case against a serial killer offender in these cases let's go ahead and review those
00:50:39
now for similarities between cases the first that they know is that all of the cases except for critchley's
00:50:48
definitively involved a knife attack and yes this is true we see the choice of weapon here in most of these cases but
00:50:58
one we have a knife attack that is involved four of the cases had a specific stabbing pattern across the
00:51:07
upper body and abdomen the other cases may have also displayed this pattern but were too decomposed to tell although an
00:51:16
attack to the upper body was present yeah so similar injuries this is interesting this is a little more
00:51:23
specific than just victim after victim being stabbed to death this is a specific stabbing pattern across the
00:51:31
upper body and abdomen which is found in at least four of these cases could have
00:51:36
been present in some of the other cases but due to decomposition we can't tell third on the list Captain is with
00:51:43
the exception of Linda Moore and Jan barasi all of the victims were killed in a wooded area that they had been
00:51:51
transported to whether they were transported there and then attacked or if they were
00:51:57
attacked and then transported afterward that is certainly Up For Debate but what
00:52:02
we do know is that with Jane bok's attack her attacker attacked her in that parking lot in that small parking lot of
00:52:11
the little convenience store that was closed and essentially just left her there to die and as you pointed out may
00:52:19
have even thought that she was close to death when he left her and then we have Linda Moore who we
00:52:28
point out is very different just simply for the fact that she was killed and found in her
00:52:33
home some of the experts in this case share the opinion that Linda Moore in that attack in her home that the killer
00:52:43
may have been interrupted and some even say that the attack on Jan barasi who survived May simply have been
00:52:51
interrupted as well they go on to point out the two sets of victims were found in very close proximity to each other
00:52:58
that's one thing that look we pointed out that sometimes you just have a good location where people tend to for a lack
00:53:07
of better word dump bodies or try to hide bodies but one thing that we cannot move off of is the fact that two
00:53:17
sets of victims were found very very close to one another it's almost like a Green River Killer type situation where
00:53:26
he was dumping and discarding of victims in clusters right one thing that's problematic for the the
00:53:34
investigation is that three of the victims were known to be hitchhiking at the time that they were last seen two of
00:53:41
the attacks this is in the freed and the barasi attack definitively involved a pay phone and were near payones at the
00:53:51
time of the attack we know that Fred was on the phone with her sister and then she vanishes we know that in the barasi
00:53:58
attack the killer or the attempted killer for whatever reason used the phone as a way to communicate with the
00:54:08
victim saying hey does that phone work what we don't know is with some of the other cases it is possible that a
00:54:16
pay phone or soda machine or a stop at a convenience store may have been an element in some of the other cases the
00:54:24
agnu case the moris case the kitley and the courtmanche cases that's certainly a
00:54:29
possibility just because we don't know exactly when our victim was abducted or how right that makes sense and as the
00:54:39
captain pointed out earlier and John filbin points out with his assessment of these
00:54:46
cases that he speculates that it's possible that the killer would regularly check these areas looking for
00:54:56
spots along his route his trolling route that that include payones that include soda machines or places where victims
00:55:03
May potentially stop at a rest area he John Philbin goes as far to suggests that it would be interesting to learn of
00:55:12
who would service these machines the payones or the soda machines the vending machines yeah or similar to like the BTK
00:55:22
I believe BTK or Dennis Raider got his job with ADT because it gave him the opportunity to hunt when he was
00:55:35
working and so like you said is somebody servicing these payones or servicing these vending
00:55:42
machines or possibly even cleaning these locations rest stops or convenience stores or or even maybe
00:55:53
trash pickup or multiple different jobs that would allow this individual to be trolling or hunting for a victim and
00:56:03
you're right with BTK that job with ADT gives him Insight gives him Intel into people's homes and their concerns with
00:56:12
their own safety while they're at home and that's very interesting it's it's like on the job training right
00:56:21
where he's out there he's getting a job and and doing a job that he's getting paid for but at the same time he's
00:56:27
getting Intel and he's getting insights into things that of his Fantasy Life of his cubed life of the cubed version of
00:56:37
Dennis Raider the one that wants to gain access to somebody's home and then kill whoever he finds inside we
00:56:46
also don't know how large the hunting ground was because there could be a difference between the
00:56:53
hunting ground and the dump sites so there could be a a smaller area where this person can go out oh I'm I'm
00:57:05
going to tell my wife I'm going to the store real quick to to pick up a couple items but I can drive around for about
00:57:14
30 to 40 minutes without her suspecting that I'm doing this I think he would get
00:57:21
off on the hunting as much as he did the actual killings I think you're right and
00:57:29
I think that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that you're right in this case here they also list a case against
00:57:37
a Serial offender and here are some of the items they suggest that would say hey these are not all connected we're
00:57:44
not looking at one killer who's committed all of these crimes so and they point out that in the past 20 years
00:57:51
the Vermont and New Hampshire State Police have officially declared their opinion
00:57:55
that these attacks could not all be related one case to be made was that all of the women LED very different
00:58:02
Lifestyles had different appearances and were a variety of Ages they go on to point out the serial
00:58:10
killers often work within a particular group such as young women with blonde hair another concern was the timing even
00:58:17
if a few attacks were related and occurred within a short amount of time what could explain the long Gap between
00:58:25
the killing of milikin and then kitley but then a very abbreviated period of attack between the other women
00:58:35
to sum these attacks off the timeline seemed unrelated to the three attacks that occurred in just one year and two
00:58:43
months in Claremont New Hampshire finally one must question why so many different suspects have Arisen with
00:58:50
different physical attributes the person believed to be involved with Linda Moore's attack was described as having
00:58:57
dark hair and then in some of these cases we have a suspect that is described as having blonde or light
00:59:05
hair I think that the this list here is a little problematic I I like that it was put together and to be honest with
00:59:13
you if someone asked me to create such a list I would put together the exact same
00:59:17
list of a case against a serial killer however we keep referencing BTK and that's not by mistake that's because you
00:59:27
and I or I and you and hopefully I'm not talking at a turn here Captain but from
00:59:32
our conversations about this potential serial killer here right I've already stated I do not think that all of these
00:59:39
cases are connected I think that likely some of them are the the result of one single killer
00:59:50
however it's not by mistake that we're referencing BTK because if you look at the extended
00:59:57
profile of this individual it aligns with that of somebody like Dennis Raider BTK somebody that is not just fits into
01:00:09
the general public but is a part of the public that is a part of the community could be a father could be a husband and
01:00:16
a father probably works a job may maybe even attends church and is a member of their Community an active member in
01:00:25
their Community I think that there's a chance chance for that here I also think that there could be reasons that would
01:00:33
explain a way why you have these weird gaps in the killings so we know with Dennis Raider he took gaps in his
01:00:41
killings and a lot of it had to do just with what was going on in his regular life in his normal person life right
01:00:48
that that life got in the way of his Hobby and his hobby was hunting and killing and we know that with Gary
01:00:56
Ridgeway the Green River Killer that happened with him as well you know he went through a couple of different
01:01:02
marriages and when he was in love and in the early stages of his marriage he wasn't out hunting and killing and we've
01:01:12
also reviewed other serial killers and other offenders that only offended when their wife was
01:01:19
pregnant or when they were triggered by something some event in their normal life they were laid off from a job and
01:01:26
and because they had nothing to do for 6 weeks they managed to kill two people in
01:01:31
a six week window where they had only killed one person a year leading up to that or what we we' seen with a lot of
01:01:38
different serial killers is they they kill somebody and then they tell themselves they're not going to do it
01:01:44
anymore and they're not going to succumb to these urges that they have so that it
01:01:49
was just a mistake it was a one-time thing I'll never do it again I lost control right so this whole to me it's
01:01:56
poppycock every I'd say not every but I would say the majority the majority high
01:02:03
percentage of serial killers have gaps in their killings so to me it's a poppycock statement I think where I fall
01:02:13
is a little differently than than where you're at I think that traditionally the
01:02:19
the killers that I have reviewed they tend to kill and then they increase the frequency in which they kill but at the
01:02:27
same time they're they're also going off the rails they're losing control of themselves while they might be getting
01:02:34
better in the early stages with the first handful of victims right eventually they start to go off the
01:02:39
rails and they're losing control of themselves and start to create a whole lot of mistakes and then they get caught
01:02:45
the problem with applying that here is if in fact the serial killer is responsible for the majority of these
01:02:52
cases we're talking about a killer that has has not got caught right somebody that is different from those that do get
01:02:59
caught so I think when you review this list of a case against a potential serial killer you could easily take
01:03:09
serial killers that we've reviewed here on the show and otherwise and look at this and say yes while all of these
01:03:17
items certainly do present a case against a serial killer you could then argue okay well here's three examples or
01:03:24
five examples of why it fits with this this other type of killer that we know about that we caught that that we are
01:03:32
fully aware of who he was what he did and who his victims were right but I I'd make an argument look I agree with you
01:03:40
yes there's a lot of killers that you can look at that they kill somebody and then then there's a Time Gap then they
01:03:49
kill somebody else and there's a Time Gap and then eventually those gaps become small smaller and smaller that
01:03:56
happens a lot of the time but I would still argue that before that urge and and we've heard it
01:04:03
from dmer we've heard it from Bundy some of these guys go look at some point it just got to the point where I'm
01:04:10
not going to fight it anymore I am what I am and I'm just GNA do this and I'm just G to go full full
01:04:19
bored but I would argue before that moment that you could find gaps in all of all of their killings that brings us
01:04:28
to another interesting question are the victims that we discussed are they all the potential victims of the Connecticut
01:04:35
River Valley killer now if you do some digging on this case there are at least five other cases that some people
01:04:44
include as part of this series there's one still unsolved case way back in 1968 then there's an elderly woman in
01:04:53
198 2 there's even a male victim in 86 we have unidentified remains found in 1989 and then we have the Cold Case of
01:05:03
Carrie Moss of New Boston who went missing in 1989 and then her skeletal remains were found almost exactly two
01:05:12
years later a cause of death in her case has never been determined due to decomposition her case has been treated
01:05:18
as a homicide though now one thing here Captain due to time constraints and due to the fact that we already agree as do
01:05:28
so many others that when you review this list of seven or eight victims and it gets hard to quickly discern who is
01:05:35
connected and who is not it seemed a little rambunctious to me to try to dissect all of these other
01:05:44
five cases U the male victim seems to be an outlier where doesn't seem to fit just because of the victimology and then
01:05:52
the first one 1968 may just be way too early in the series and then you have the
01:06:00
complications with the cases in 1989 uh with the the unidentified remains and then the cause of death unknown in the
01:06:09
carry Moss case well again we don't know if these killings just stopped or if this killer relocated and for armchair
01:06:17
detectives out there that want to do a little further digging themselves the New Hampshire Department of Justice has
01:06:24
a victim map that is helpful it's not limited to the river valley case but if you go to dj. nh.gov
01:06:35
you can navigate from there to the interactive victim map and a victim list for New Hampshire homicides and missing
01:06:44
persons cases should someone want to troll that map and see if any other New Hampshire homicides fit into this
01:06:52
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