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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign [Music] Candace hiltz who was just 17 years old
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was murdered on August 15 2006. she was described at the time as a teen mother who had an 11 month old daughter
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Candace's family said Candace hiltz had an altercation of some sort with an officer at the sheriff's office about a
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week before she was killed just days before her death the family's dog went missing James hilts Candace's older
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brother was a person of interest in the murder but was never charged multiple family members who have spoken out all
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say James hiltz was not the murderer and that he wouldn't have hurt his younger sister now we said yesterday Captain
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that Candace's daughter Paige was born with an illness and unfortunately a little more than six years after
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Candace's murder Paige passed away the murder investigation went cold for many years they're saying seemed to be no new
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suspects no new clues or leads in fact it appears that despite everything said by the hilt's family the sheriff office
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seems to have set their sights on Candace's brother James and for much of this investigation and probably to this
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day they still believe that he did this or was in fact involved Dolores wanted the autopsy release to the public she
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believed that there was information in the in there that would clear this thing up or at least clear her son James well
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the hilts family got their wish and the autopsy was eventually released and I'll
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read most of this article to you regarding this this is titled release to the public autopsy Candace hiltz shot
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seven times three different types of guns could have been used this is from The Daily Record you sure you don't want
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me to stutter through it I I'll let you hold my hand um so here we go details from Candace
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hilt's autopsy revealed that she was maliciously murdered this is obtained from the Fremont County coroner under
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the Colorado open records act the formal autopsy states that Hill was found dead
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August 15 2006 she was shot seven times total six in the head and one in the chest the autopsy also reveals that
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three types of guns could have been used in her murder and that she was shot both
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in the front and in the back the autopsy said hiltz was shot from the front once
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in the head with a shotgun and then five times in the back with a gun of a small
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caliber she also was shot once in the chest from the front with a gun of a medium caliber the paths of the bullets
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are steeply downward back to front and left to right the autopsy States regarding the shotguns from the back
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in a previous interview with Candace Candace hilt's mother Dolores hilts she implied that the bullets going downwards
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seemed like someone either executed her daughter or that there were two Shooters
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however the autopsy doesn't present evidence that the guns were fired at a close range or the order she was shot
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but there's a bunch of evidence that points that she was murdered in her house so it'd have to be at least
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somewhat close range it wouldn't be a of a considerable distance no uh besides detailing where Candace hiltz was shot
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how many times she was shot the different bullets found the autopsy also details what occurred when Candace hiltz
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was discovered according to the autopsy Candace hiltz was last seen alive at noon and was later found by her
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boyfriend who was not named in the report the boyfriend of the deceased had left to go to Canon City and then drove
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home the report said adding that he eventually arrived at Candace hilt's house when he heard the one-year-old
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infant screaming he entered the residence saw blood and picked up the baby who appeared to be unharmed he then
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went outside with the baby and took her to his wife oh what he took the baby to his wife but this is
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Candace's boyfriend according to the autopsy it's Candace's boyfriend yes uh this that makes zero sense so he goes in
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sees that his girlfriend's dead takes his girlfriend's baby which is not his baby
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and then takes the baby to his wife all right that's what this document States um continuing on we'll we'll get into
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this Captain there's a lot to discuss here that makes zero sense this man then returned to the deceased home and found
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the deceased placed underneath the bed unresponsive the report said she was pronounced dead at 5 23 PM now
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Dolores hilts in a previous interview said that she had first found her daughter wrapped in a blanket underneath
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the bed also but didn't mention anything about a boyfriend finding her daughter after the evidence was discovered and
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reported each family member who spoke with the Daily Record about it and about the murder investigation all said that
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James hiltz did not kill Candace hilts okay so that's the newspaper article well that look now we have some issues
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because we have one Dolores she's saying I found my daughter she has always said
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that yes and then I called the police and now we have this other guy which we don't know his name
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so I don't even know what to call him okay you want me to clear all this up for you no I'm trying to come up with
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the name for this guy first I'll call him Reginald wife girlfriend combo there you go okay I'll call him Reggie for
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short Okay so let's we there's so much ground to cover here Captain I'm I'm almost spinning
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trying to figure out where to start first of all and that's the PO who's you know all right so this autopsy did
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not get released to the public for many years after Candace's murder okay so let's be clear about that second of all
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this is a second hand account we're hearing this through you know the media they could have chosen to leave things
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out um they could have misspoke on certain things I don't get the vibe that that
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happened but I do want to be clear this is a second-hand account of this autopsy
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it's not us looking at it with our own eyes right now why is it important that this autopsy didn't come out for many
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years for several reasons one is that Dolores hiltz said for years that when she would think about the case she would
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go to the Sheriff's Office and she would look through the case File stating that the case File was about 2
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000 pages and within that case File was the autopsy well good for her you know good for her but I I don't know what's
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going on over at that Sheriff's Office either she is has misspoken um to put it politely or they're letting
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people involved in the Inner Circle of a victim look at a case File that seems like strange
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doings to me um now regardless she has said to the media for many years you know there's
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something strange going on here the Sheriff's Office might they're either hiding something or they might be
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involved in this murder uh get the autopsy because I've read it this is her words
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I've read it once you read the autopsy it's gonna it's gonna present things in a different light and you're going to
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see what I'm talking about well what it presents is that we don't know if Flores
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was telling the truth or not about finding the daughter that's what it right proves which is so
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that's so weird to me okay so first of all you have this situation where it almost sounds like Dolores is lying
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about finding her daughter and let's be clear I mean we understand that that her
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daughter died and that she's probably doing everything she can to figure out how this happened but you know we have
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to point out the obvious things so I don't want something saying well they're complaining no we're not we're trying to
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look through this thing this thing is look Captain we stepped in it this week all right I'll tell you that we stepped
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in it this thing is a mess yeah you stepped it in you brought into the garage and I'm gonna have to get out
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that bleach and I'm gonna have to do a lot of cleaning this week so I look I apologize that there's so much to sift
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through here but comes walking in with his night costume on swinging the sword everywhere
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it's embarrassing anyway so we have Dolores who is telling the media to seek out this autopsy now if in fact she had
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seen the autopsy in advance and is telling the media to seek it out well that makes me that makes me believe she
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has nothing to hide from what they're going to find in the autopsy yeah and I think that's her actions time and time
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again though is that she really doesn't have much to hide so that's where I you got to start believing some of the stuff
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that she says because why would she be pointing at evidence that you know makes her look in a bad light oh and you know
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what I kind of I kind of pooh-pooed on the sheriff's department there and I misspoke okay so just I want to be clear
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because I just reviewed my notes Here uh it says that she stopped by the public defender's office on several occasions
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and reviewed the case File there which can't which contained an autopsy report okay okay so a little different right
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right a little different there um all right so the first question is who actually found Candace was it this
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was it this boyfriend who then took the baby back to his wife Reginald yeah Reggie takes the baby back to his wife
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and then goes back and finds Candace here's the clear-cut problem with this whole situation it can't be both there's
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no way that this thing could get misconstrued to be being both because in both stories it's one completely
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different person by themselves finding the baby and then finding the the Candace no it's not my friend
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because he has this baby he finds the baby and he drives back to his wife yeah where's her Alibi okay let's just paint
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this picture he shows up with his girlfriend or with his wife his girlfriend's house
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they they murder her right okay who finds the body oh the guy that murdered her what a convenient cover-up well and then
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whose Alibi is who oh my wife's alibi we didn't kill my girlfriend and there was two people involved in the
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murder I'm just saying I'm just putting that out there as a possibility well I know that we named this guy Reggie but
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the reports that we see regarding the autopsy they do not name this guy they do not name his wife now what Dolores
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would would tell the media is that this is just one of several problems with the
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autopsy itself well you're right but there's that's also several problems with the investigation because we have
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no name of this person so and we also have factual evidence that law enforcement Left Behind evidence well so
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so we know that they have bonkered up this case a little bit that you know they they gummed up the pipes right so
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what happened with this guy well the autopsy itself could say his name the the newspaper that released this
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information may not have felt like they could release it no no then that's fair um I'm guessing that his name appear
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years in the autopsy but what I'm stating is that we have evidence that proves that they're incompetent on
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certain levels of this investigation and that might have been an Avenue where they put their blinders on and they go
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you know what a girl ends up dead and we we've been looking for a crazy brother he's our number one suspect well your
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number one spot suspect might be the guy that's taken a baby to his wife that he
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got from his girlfriend his dead girlfriend's house maybe that should be your first number
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one suspect that would be mine well Dolores says that this was not Candace's boyfriend first of all that that was
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something that they just got wrong that she didn't have a boyfriend okay okay this is just Kim So second of all second
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of all the the person that they are talking about is not married so there's there's several there's
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several problems with that statement in the autopsy this according to Dolores however she states that this man was a
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friend of a neighbor I'm sorry I said that wrong was a son of a neighbor who was asked to drop by the house to check
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on Candace and the baby there here's the problem though that's as far as an explanation as we get from
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anybody okay okay so you clear still doesn't explain who found the body who found the body you're exactly right or
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where the baby was when the body was found it doesn't explain any of that and and only one of those stories can be
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true it's not it's not a meshing of the two stories it doesn't work it doesn't work for this for this situation no not
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at all I would love for somebody to clear this up because the problem we have is like I said
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both stories don't work here one of us one is right and one is wrong and for you to prove to me which one is correct
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Dolores I would like to know the name of this guy that you asked to drop by the house to check on Candace and the baby
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maybe he can confirm that this is what actually took place and back up your story that you were in fact the person
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that found the baby and Candace yeah or or police could confirm this as well and
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that's what I'm getting at but both sides should be should come out here and tell us what the heck is going on
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because there's something very strange and fishy going on and it to me it almost looks
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like I almost questioned both sides at this point yeah it seems like some weird actions on both sides but what is
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dolores's thoughts on what happened to her daughter okay so while we're on the topic of the autopsy this is perfect
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timing she states that there are at least two gunmen uh it seems to me like that's the one thing that they can agree
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on the sheriff's department Dolores or Gun Man Gun Woman yep she says that um she believes that her daughter was shot
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simultaneously from two directions and was dead before she hit the floor now keep in mind she was shot inside the
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family home and this is also where the simultaneously being shot at Theory comes from because there's really no
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proof of this yeah now she states that she that Candace had two shotgun wounds one to the back of the head and one to
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the left of the back of her head she had eight to ten 22 caliber gun shot wounds
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in her left side Dolores said when they were dragging her body down the hall she
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thinks that Candace had some death Tremors and that her head would have touched the doorway and left a wavy
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blood pattern on the door she believes that a shooter then reloaded the shotgun and shot Candice
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again in the chest because according to Dolores there is a gunshot on Candice that is listed as an after death wound
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well this is some crazy CSI [ __ ] well and I'd hate to keep harping on this but
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we have a situation Captain where either the autopsy is wrong that the things in
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the autopsy are wrong or Dolores is wrong yeah we get it there's some conflicting stories now one thing I
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should point out in that I would put in dolores's favor here is that back in January of 2007 Dolores filed a formal
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complaint with the State Attorney General's office alleging mismanagement of the crime scene complete with copies
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of all of the pictures that she took she also included her theory that a law officer could have been involved in her
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daughter's death right now now tell me what person their right mind would have been involved in this
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and then brought a spotlight a big Spotlight on this case and by the way when I bring
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the spotlight underneath that Spotlight I'm going to give you all the evidence right if you're if you're involved you
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don't do stuff like that right it seems to me that she's being very transparent she's allowing everybody to see into
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what's going on I point that out with with this incident now that nothing Becomes of this of her formal complaint
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but she is taking it to one of the highest offices that she can in presenting evidence and presenting a
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story which like you said could end up with her being investigated um so she must have felt confident in
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her beliefs of what had had occurred and again she encouraged the media to seek out this autopsy so maybe even though
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these stories aren't lining up she is maybe she feels she's honest therefore she has nothing to hide and honest man
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an honest woman has nothing to hide right right and she's being very forthcoming with everything yeah and you
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know I mean this this is just speculation does a little speculation just a little
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birdie told me this little story that possibly the person that performed this autopsy was related to Fami Malek that
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this is what a bird told me I'm hoping one day Fami quits appearing in every every show that we do I I generally
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believe that most these coroners are doing a great job medical examiner is doing a great job and that we're and
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that's where the real facts where you get the real facts from um so I if if we you know when we tell
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his story the story about Fami Malik and everything he screwed up it makes it look like this could be going on
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everywhere and I hate I can't live my life walking around no no no no no no what I'm saying here is you know this
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autopsy which she is pointing to she's saying take a look at this there might be one or two inconsistent things in it
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but the overall picture is there and I think maybe that's what she's saying is well yeah they didn't get that right but
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who cares you know because does it really matter if she found the body or he found the body like the evidence
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within the body and that's what the autopsy is that's probably the most important evidence
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here right I mean I at the end of the day it doesn't matter but it it's something that should be clear no no it
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should be clear but what I'm stating is that you know even with that unclearness
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she's still saying hey you need to take a look at this because there's enough evidence here to to to go with her
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Theory or to go into the fact that there should be more of an investigation and this was a situation and we see this
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time and time again where law enforcement they come to a conclusion and then they got their guy just on a
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different thing and he's in this hospital so he's away and he's you know he's not going to harm anybody
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right so we got our guy and now we stopped working on it now there is an interview where you know Dolores she
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isn't always just saying that the Sheriff's Office killed Candace uh or the The Dodd killed Candace and
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covered it up right you know she's not she's not stuck to that 100 all of the time and you know there is one at least
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one occasion where she did state that perhaps it was a couple of girls who were jealous of Candace and not an
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officer who had killed her daughter because of the after death Tremor remember the after death shot that we
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spoke of right where she believes that there was a death trimmer and then the killer reloaded the gun and shot her
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then her statement is that she believes a trained officer would know about death
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Tremors and would not have panicked thinking that Candace was still alive and then shot her again yeah but most uh
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police officers haven't shot a person before that's true but she does bring up an interesting topic for me and this is
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when I review what the autopsy says according to the newspaper now to be clear the autopsy Accord according to
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the newspaper makes it sound like Candace was shot in the front and in the back simultaneously right from opposite
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directions simultaneously I have a hard time believing that trained officers who are trained in in
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strategically moving through a home clearing out rooms moving through buildings clearing out rooms
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they're also trained not to shoot at one another okay if if ever they're shooting
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downwards if this victim is between you and I and we're both firing at her we run a risk of getting caught in some
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kind of Crossfire action you know that me shooting you on accident right but that being shot at the same time is pure
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speculation that is speculation and in fact actually Dolores believes that she was fact in fact shot on the side not
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from the not from two opposite directions well I don't know how much I buy this whole jealous girl Theory you
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know I I don't think that lines up to me I think if Candace said something that hit a nerve with law enforcement is it
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possible because if there was some truth to what she was saying and are they trying to cover up some other misdoing
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we've seen that in the past there's so much more to get into and the biggest maybe Twist of the whole story
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right after this beer break [Music] all right we're back cheers me mateys all right captain we're gonna shift
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gears here a little bit I hope you are a fan of Storage Wars because we are about
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to get into some storage locker conversation this taking place in Canon City uh the Fremont County Sheriff Jim
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Beaker said that he has placed Sheriff's Lieutenant Robert Dodd on administrative
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leave after it was reported by The Pueblo Chieftain that evidence in a gruesome decades-old murder case was
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found in a storage unit formerly rented by Dodd question leave you say is he on paid leave well
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they have to investigate this and see if there was wrongdoing by uh Lieutenant Dodd a local citizen this is Rick
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ratsluff um he recently bought the contents of a storage unit in an auction that had been
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rented by Dodd but Dodd lost control of the unit's contents because he failed to
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pay the rental fees yeah when this citizen looked inside he found some of detectives Dodd's old uniforms with his
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name badge on it he also found sirens and lights off of police cars and several items in envelopes marked
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evidence and they're not really supposed to take those lights and do whatever you
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want with them that's property of the city now ratsliff believed uh I'm sorry radzliff met the sheriff and another
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officer at the storage unit these two officers took the evidence as directed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation
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now the way this went down is he contacted the sheriff's department and he said look I found these things in
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this storage unit they had a bit of a meeting at the storage unit and they agreed that the sheriff's Department
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could take these items with them for investigation we could just play his clip if you want to no it's a terrible
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clip so we have Sheriff Beaker confirmed in his statement that on December 30th this is in 2016 that he and Commander
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Jeff Worley they did briefly look at all of the evidence in the storage locker and immediately contacted CBI regarding
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the matter with their consultation they cataloged photographed collected and secured the items moving them into the
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Fremont County evidence storage now on January 3rd of this year the CBI sent two agents to meet with the sheriff and
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they took all of the evidence because this is obviously an active investigation now the CBI confirmed that
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it is investigating how this evidence came to be in a storage unit now let's talk about some of these
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things here um there was a blanket that was recovered in the storage unit now Dolores says that this blanket is
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familiar to her she says that this is the blanket that Candace's body was in um that was the blanket that that she
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and her son Jonathan had bagged and eventually gave to the Sheriff's Office okay they also found bloody socks there
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um in the storage unit Dolores believes that these socks were on Candace's feet when she pulled her from underneath the
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bed they would have been taken off with her clothes with Candace's clothes when she was taken to the autopsy
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a hatchet was also recovered in the storage lock yeah the very weird looking Hatchet yes and I I described this as
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like a hatchet that you would throw yeah um maybe in a circus act or something like that wow it kind of looks like
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something from He-Man I'm glad you said that because I was thinking like Snake Eyes from GI Joe
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something that he would throw anyway sorry we dorked it up there for a minute super dark
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um a hatchet was recovered in the storage unit and Dolores says that this is familiar to her as well because it
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was one that she had owned um and she stated that it probably lying outside by a wood pile and it is a
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weapon that was used this is her opinion used to kill the family dog um the dog's name was Jackson it was a
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female dog um uh she had disappeared three days before Candace's murder there was also a
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rope that was found this may have been the one that was used to tie Jackson to the tree so the dog was taken to a back
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hill tied to a tree and ax if someone had now this is Dolores words if someone had tried to break in the dog would have
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went ballistic now uh CBI officials confirmed that they are investigating the recovery of the
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evidence in the storage facility now but isn't that something that maybe only the
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family would know about the dog going ballistic possibly yes or I mean sometimes people that break into homes
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or plan to commit crimes just assume that they don't want to deal with a dog well and they also found like boxes of
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paperwork or something like that yeah from the sheriff's office so these are all very bad things for lieutenant Dodd
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yeah he owns the storage unit he defaults on the payments and then when it's purchased by somebody else they
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discover what could be evidence in a murder case an active murder investigation well and I wonder if you
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know the term applies here I mean if you can't afford to do the time or afford to pay the time on your
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storage locker then you can't afford to do the crime or something like that there's no saying like that at all
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um the the thing here is Captain we got a bad situation because Dodd is like you
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said placed on administrative leave um I believe it to be paid uh if you want to feel worse about the situation I
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do believe that he was paid for this administrative leave he um he would eventually be charged
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with mishandling evidence um with uh you know not doing his job properly for a lack of a better term
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um he's not there's been no conviction in this situation yet he has since retired from the Sheriff's Office and he
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yes he did he's moved out of state run and hide my friend he's running he's run out I was going to say moved out of
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state but he ran out of state um anyway this this problem doesn't really end here because then we're going to fast
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forward to about six months later there was additional evidence that was allegedly connected to former Fremont
00:32:04
County Sheriff's Office detective Robert Dodd which was found and recovered from
00:32:10
The Phantom landfill in Penrose now according to the Pueblo Chieftain Cannon City resident Rick ratsluff who also
00:32:19
discovered evidence from a 2006 homicide in December he received a tip from The Phantom landfill worker this is Robert
00:32:28
Orton who said that more apparent evidence had been found from a dumpster that was collected from Dodd's former
00:32:35
residence Dodd had already been charged by this time with abuse of public records in two counts of second-degree
00:32:41
official misconduct after the evidence was found by ratzliff caused an investigation by the CBI now since this
00:32:50
investigation as we mentioned dot had resigned uh he now lives in Texas he's scheduled to appear in court at this
00:32:58
time that this stuff is found now what is this stuff that is found well they collected a dumpster okay from his
00:33:08
former residents it was full of stuff now like maybe one of those rented dumpsters before you're going to move
00:33:14
out yeah that's what it sounds like to me and it I guess they have to check for HazMat type material before they can
00:33:23
dump the stuff well when they were checking the dumpster they found what is listed as quote a fat envelope that
00:33:31
looked like criminal investigation paperwork a videotape labeled as it as containing a sexual assault
00:33:38
investigation interview and a tackle box marked fcso crime scene unit forensic lights and just to remind everybody this
00:33:47
is the same individual that was questioning the family and Candace called him out when he said that he's
00:33:53
going to take her to jail I mean this guy shows multiple levels of incompetency at the law enforcement
00:34:00
position um I do want to note that the paperwork that was found in the landfill the
00:34:05
official reports and paperwork that were were found they they dated from 2003 to
00:34:12
2006. so who knows if that included this murder investigation that would have started in August of 2006. all right so
00:34:20
what is the big problem with all this evidence coming out um well of course as you pointed out not
00:34:26
only did Dodd potentially have the altercation with Candace but he was also one of the lead investigators in her
00:34:33
murder case right um and this presents all kinds of problems you know like Frank Costanza says I got
00:34:40
a lot of problems with you people and now you're going to hear about them okay so we have this guy we have this guy
00:34:46
that's not fit to be an officer at all in my opinion he's dragging down the rest of the good people that do that job
00:34:52
because like you said he's incompetent and I hate to judge a book by its cover but that's all I have I'm a guy that
00:35:00
lives a thousand miles away and can only read these things in the newspaper but his ex his the the things he has done
00:35:08
um this guy is he's just a sloppy lazy mess is what I think this guy is um is HE capable of murdering somebody I
00:35:17
don't know is HE capable of covering it up I don't think so I don't think so I don't think this guy can
00:35:23
I don't think he's I know right but that doesn't mean that he didn't try and he's
00:35:28
failing miserably now I do want to point out you know we said that Dodd has been
00:35:32
charged with this and this has not been resolved yet um if you want to have something to be
00:35:38
angry about today I'll give you something to be angry about today I'm already pissed off man I have heard some
00:35:44
reports that they were trying to work out a plea bargain with Dodd I have a bazillion problems with that
00:35:51
and everybody else should including the sheriff who's in charge in Fremont County and including the district
00:35:58
attorney that's in charge here's why because if you can't trust your police if you can't trust your Sheriff who can
00:36:06
you trust right who who do you got on your side that's what they are there for that is what they are supposed to be
00:36:12
doing and like I said this guy is a sloppy lazy mess and he's dragging down the rest of the good women and men that
00:36:19
are performing this tough very tough job yeah every day and night keeping us safe
00:36:25
and giving them bad light and here's the thing if you if I if I'm this dude's boss all right if I'm captain chief
00:36:34
sheriff dog in town you're a colonel I'm the captain and I got this little sloppy
00:36:39
lazy mess Dodd he's got evidence in a storage unit he's throwing away important items uh in the
00:36:48
landfill in a dumpster what else who knows where else he threw stuff away at right you know who you know who he's
00:36:55
making look bad he's making me look bad the head dog in charge he's bringing down the whole Sheriff's Department if I
00:37:02
were this Sheriff Beaker guy I'd be on the phone with the district attorney and I would say no you throw the book at
00:37:08
this guy throw the we need to make an example out of him for the public but more importantly for the other officers
00:37:16
that are coming up through the ranks this is stuff that evil even if he wasn't trying to cover up a murder even
00:37:22
if he wasn't hiding anything this is just a sloppy lazy mess that Dodd sat in for years and this is not how you can
00:37:31
run any type of investigation this is not how you can run any type of sheriff's department and hope to get
00:37:36
things done well it's obstruction of justice which is breaking the law so if you bring break the law you should go to
00:37:43
jail and that's what this scumbag deserves now go to jail is this stuff evidence in the murder of Candace I
00:37:51
don't know we'll get into that in a minute but regardless let's say that it is let's say that these items were
00:37:57
somehow involved or connected to the murder of Candace hilts we have a big freaking problem here now Captain
00:38:03
because guess what problem if if I find this evidence and I find DNA evidence on
00:38:09
this stuff that ties somebody to the crime or points me in a direction that would lead me to solve the crime guess
00:38:16
what this stuff ain't going to work in the court of law because you can't any good defense attorney is going to tell
00:38:23
the jury this stuff sat in a locker in a storage unit it was not in a controlled
00:38:27
environment it was being housed by this cop that we don't know if he's a bad dude or not for years and years and
00:38:34
years this is contaminated evidence you now can't use this to convict anybody we
00:38:39
have a case that looks to me to be in the get-go in the early get-go this case should have been solvable the problem is
00:38:46
it's unraveled and it's fell apart throughout the years and it's only gotten worse and I fear I fear people
00:38:53
and I know we've questioned Dolores and and what's going on there in that situation
00:38:58
here's the thing Candace is the victim here she deserves Justice Dolores our family family deserves justice as well
00:39:07
yeah and I fear that that nobody's going to get this because of moves that have been made by the sheriff's that's just
00:39:14
if he's a sloppy mess and he's not involved but he if he's somehow involved they can still tie this in uh does that
00:39:22
to have evidence against him and I'll be really interested to see what the CBI comes out and says you know moving
00:39:29
forward yeah I'm really looking forward to that information as well here's the thing here's my other thoughts on this I
00:39:35
know I know I got real worked up there because I do feel like Dodd regardless has done some very bad things some wrong
00:39:41
things sloppy mess now let's say let's say that this stuff is not evidence in the actual Candace case right now that
00:39:51
might be confusing for somebody listening right now what do you mean by that and well nobody has come out and
00:39:58
stated 100 percent that this is stuff that was actually taken from the hilt's home that this was in fact the hatchet
00:40:04
that was used to kill the dog okay here's where I call into question the hatchet right you you and I described it
00:40:11
um Dolores described it as a hatchet that she believed on that she owned and that would have been near a wood pile
00:40:18
I'm assuming it's near the wood pile because it was used for chopping up wood and sticks and things like that
00:40:24
this does not look to me like the hatchet I would pick out to chop up wood right but you don't look like somebody
00:40:30
that could chop wood I can chop wood sure but not with that hatchet not with that hatchet my friend this Hatchet to
00:40:40
me this Hatchet to me looks like either either something that Dolores would not have owned I don't know why she would
00:40:47
say that that's one that I owned and it was used for chopping wood I would tend to lead lean more to the side that this
00:40:55
could be a hatchet that was stolen from somebody's home by James um this looks to be more of a decorative
00:41:04
um Hatchet rather than something you would use as a tool um so there's there's where I question
00:41:09
that um you know that's where the big uproar is because everybody's saying that we
00:41:15
have hidden evidence in a murder case I've not had anybody with any background come out and tell me that this stuff is
00:41:23
actually involved in that murder case what we do have is a law enforcement officer that we know for a fact withheld
00:41:29
evidence we just don't know what the evidence is for in which cases 4. so there are four major theories swirling
00:41:38
around this whole unsolved case here and I know that it's pretty obvious that we
00:41:42
obviously that we danced all over two of them but let's go through them very quickly here and I'm just you know I'm
00:41:49
not trying to brag or anything but we we look like Justin Timberlake and James Brown that's that's right anyway
00:41:58
um so the first Theory that's out there is that the father of this baby came to the house and killed Candace so this
00:42:06
would be Paige's father now there are several problems with this Theory one we don't know we don't have on record who
00:42:14
the name what the name is of the father okay uh the theory would be something like this that he he was either angry
00:42:22
with Candace or he didn't want to be a father didn't want to have a baby in his life so he kills Candace
00:42:29
this doesn't ring true to me real well it doesn't sit well with me because I don't see this person I don't can't
00:42:39
find any evidence first of all this person being involved in this baby's life for 11 months I don't know if if I
00:42:48
had fathered a child didn't want to and wasn't told that I'm the father didn't have any knowledge of this nobody
00:42:55
seeking money from me or anything of that nature and this baby's fine you know living for 11 months elsewhere in
00:43:04
the care of its mother I don't know that I would have any why would I have any ill feelings
00:43:09
towards that situation uh yeah I get your point there I think the major thing here for me on this Theory and why I
00:43:18
don't buy it is I feel like Candace's uh family would be talking more about this
00:43:23
Theory right that's a very good point I think if if he were to be a suspect we would have heard this person's name from
00:43:29
the hilts family themselves so moving on to Theory number two that Candace was killed by strangers that somebody busted
00:43:38
into the house and killed Candace and then left seemingly with no motive at all um really I guess the only thing you
00:43:46
could come up with here is that it would be some type of Thrill Kill um but to me this seems
00:43:53
seems targeted in a way where with most of these thrill killings from my experience they seem to be more crimes
00:44:01
of opportunity where they stumble upon their eventual victim this to me looks like someone targeted the house for some
00:44:09
reason came in and killed her I mean somebody obviously showed up with several different Firearms showed up
00:44:16
with something used to break into the house itself and here's the other problem I have
00:44:21
I firmly believe that the death of this dog is linked to the death of Candace Candace right which would be days prior
00:44:31
right and it seems to me like that would be that's not random at all like somebody would have had a stake out the
00:44:37
house watch the house capture the dog somehow and then tie it to the tree and then kill Candace later I to me that
00:44:46
seems it it almost seems lazier than the work that uh that that Lieutenant Dodd was doing yeah the only thing about this
00:44:55
theory for me would be yeah it could have been the you know dog has something to do with it like we said it was Prior
00:45:02
but it could be could have been a situation where there's a group of individuals that thought for some reason
00:45:08
on this property was an opportunity and you know they staked out the they staked
00:45:14
out the house or whatever um but again there's really no evidence towards that then obviously one of the theories also
00:45:22
would be that her older brother James killed Candace now I know that I've called into a question a lot of things
00:45:28
going on with James and and he does look like a likely suspect or somebody that I
00:45:35
would consider to be a person of interest um like I said with that hatchet that was found if
00:45:41
if that was the one that was used that looks to me like something that would have been stolen from another home I
00:45:47
can't speak uh enough to the point of what was his state of mind I don't think any of us could could fathom what he was
00:45:55
going through and how he was going to handle the situation that he found himself in
00:46:01
but the problem I have here with that is I feel like the sheriffs they circled in
00:46:08
on this guy very quickly and I almost feel like if there was evidence to put this guy away they would have done so
00:46:15
and but that's not what happened they that's not what happened at all they put evidence in the storage locker now we
00:46:23
have Dolores who will Who has continued to blame uh her son's situation and the situation of the investigation on the
00:46:33
sheriff's department and I think some of that is definitely rightfully so now with her son her son James hiltz he
00:46:40
remains at the state hospital to this day he does have some off-campus privileges
00:46:46
um but here's the thing it sounds to me I've had Dolores I've I've read two stories from Dolores regarding her son
00:46:55
James and where he is now one stating that you know he should have been released by now and the police keep the
00:47:02
sheriff's department keeps returning to the hospital every time he comes up for a hearing stating that he is a suspect
00:47:09
and a murder investigation but she has also said that James has chosen to stay at the state hospital so
00:47:17
I I guess both could be true in this situation um but it seems strange to hear both versions from the same person yeah
00:47:27
my my problem with the fact that James would be the the murderer is the fact that you know this murder to me the
00:47:35
evidence points that there was this was done by multiple people so it would have to be James and
00:47:41
somebody else who's that other person right and there's no evidence of this other person the other thing too is we
00:47:47
have no evidence of this individual being violent um now that being said I think with his
00:47:52
mental state is it possible that he actually killed the dog it had nothing to do with his sister's murder that's
00:47:58
very possible as well because because of the weapon that the dog was murdered with and so that's a little odd but I
00:48:07
think the other thing too here though and when I said oh well maybe the family helped cover it up we have an individual
00:48:12
that is where he needs to be for his health and his mental health and knowing that and then knowing that we we might
00:48:22
need to keep him there if if the family felt that they needed to keep him there I don't think they would cover that up
00:48:27
right right I don't think that they would cover that up at all the then the other obvious one would be was somebody
00:48:34
from the sheriff's office involved in the murder or killed Candace and has covered it up
00:48:40
well well so many signs point to yes yes they do um one thing I struggled with here is in
00:48:50
the beginning was I really thought that given what I know about Sheriff's departments and about police activity
00:48:57
I really felt like that if the Police or Sheriffs have done this that I didn't get the feeling that they
00:49:04
would capture the dog in advance and kill it out in the woods you know we all know police activity
00:49:13
with their you know they are more than capable of busting down a door shooting an animal that charges the door
00:49:22
and then going in and taking care of business so I didn't see a reason for that act to take place but then the more
00:49:31
I get to thinking about it I question one thing we had that story from basically an unknown source stating that
00:49:40
Candace at some point had gone to the Sheriff's Office to file some kind of formal complaint
00:49:46
here's what I question is there a chance that maybe whatever was done to that dog
00:49:52
that poor dog that that was done as some kind of threat and what I would be curious to
00:49:58
know and we will we will never know this whatever was done to that dog did that happen and was that a threat that was
00:50:05
not received by the family because they were unaware that the dog was missing or
00:50:10
just thought the dog took off on some adventure and then Candace goes and files this report
00:50:16
or attempts to file a report with the Sheriff's Office yeah if if we knew that little piece right there I would think
00:50:23
that all points show and sign in the 0.2 someone in the Sheriff's Office uh probably died because why did he have
00:50:33
any of this stuff to begin with why was he taking these items home why was he placing them in a storage locker that
00:50:41
seemed like you're hiding them tucked away and then yet he's careless enough to default on the payments where
00:50:47
somebody can find this stuff same with the things that were collected from his home that ended up in the
00:50:52
landfill as well those are those most of those items that we talked about that ended up in that landfill those were
00:50:59
regarding other cases I I just don't understand why this guy was taking anything home do I think he was a shady
00:51:06
dude I I look look taking the stuff home and hiding it yes Shady dude I think he's more shady than
00:51:14
that I think he was doing some things that he shouldn't have been doing I think he was covering some of his own
00:51:20
tracks I don't know that I can say 100 that he's capable of murdering somebody and covering it up
00:51:28
the big question for me is now can I believe let's say I believe that he he is capable of that
00:51:36
do I believe that people within the sheriff's office would have helped him that for me is where I can't make the
00:51:44
leap I can make the leap to believe that Dodd did this it doesn't mean that he doesn't know some other Shady
00:51:50
individuals right that's true but I I I'm having the trouble making the leap that more people in the Sheriff's Office
00:51:58
were involved in this than just potentially dot well we have multiple evidence you know like we said before
00:52:05
that you know him taking evidence home storage in locker that's shady stuff but whatever Candace said to him I think hit
00:52:13
a nerve and I think that if you investigate that Avenue you're going to find more answers I just lean towards
00:52:20
that there's a lot of shady stuff going on with this uh individual and like you said I think the dog was possibly a
00:52:28
warning as well and I I apologize if at any time we seemed frustrated during these episodes but this was a very
00:52:35
frustrating I'm sorry very frustrating case to cover because there there's so many things that are wrong with this
00:52:42
case there's so many things that that you question this might be the messiest case that we've covered
00:52:48
um yeah and look I'm not one to jump down law enforcement throats I I love conspiracies right Captain conspiracy
00:52:57
all day long but I normally don't fall to the line of all this is possibly law enforcement
00:53:04
but every so often it's clear you know it's more of a clear picture and I think you saw that you know with um like boys
00:53:13
on the tracks in case for example and I think here again there's I there's not enough to point a finger and saying it's
00:53:22
this guy I know it he did it but I think there's enough nuggets that if if investigated correctly uh by the CBI
00:53:32
and by current law enforcement I think that this uh family could get Justice and the thing here is the the hilts
00:53:40
family God bless them they deserve as just as good luck to them Candace deserves
00:53:45
Justice I think I don't know that we're going to get a conviction in this case it's it seems a little too sloppy to me
00:53:54
um but I think they could but I think it's going to take that Community rallying around the fact that they
00:54:01
deserve answers and they deserve to have uh people that they pay to Serve and Protect Serve and Protect and not you
00:54:08
know get in the way of Justice or take the law into their own hands and it's going to take the local community
00:54:14
constantly uh just you know badgering them and being a thorn in their side and then they'll do something about it but
00:54:22
until then they won't do anything about it but what would be a huge step in the right direction for the hilts family and
00:54:29
for everyone in that community in the Fremont County area they need to prosecute Dodd on all of
00:54:36
these charges to the fullest yeah he needs to go to jail for this right and to to to the sheriff in charge out there
00:54:43
into the district attorney out there you know I apologize if you didn't do any missed doings here this is your mess now
00:54:51
this is this is your mess to clean up and you've got to straighten out this situation that's on it's on you it's on
00:54:58
your shoulders this is your community and I hope that they do that and I hope we get some results regarding dot in
00:55:04
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