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of the business you're right it is everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer here let's talk some true
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crime there are going to be investigators working these crimes who say to me well
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you don't have all the information because you don't you're not privy to all of our documents and that's true I I
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received you know several thousand pages of foia documents but there are probably
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a hundred thousand pages of documents you know who knows what they've got and they will say that to me I say to them
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two things one it's impossible to refute the information that is in the book Because all that information was
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obtained from the documents I didn't make it up there's no conjecture or in some instances where I speculate I say
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that I'm speculating right information that is based on fact that I allege is based on fact that's in the book all
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that information came from the documents so one no officer who previously or currently works this case can say that
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anything in my book is falsified it's all true it's all based on the documents the only other thing they can say is but
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you don't have all the information and so I say to you yeah that's the [ __ ] point so if you have all the information
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why don't you [ __ ] tell me what you have and we'll work together and I'm not even talking about me I'm talking in
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general about the family members of the victims and the other other people who have spent decades working this case
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emotionally and I'm talking about the communities I'm talking about the the Decades of children I'm talking about
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the generations of people raising their kids in a certain way because because they were touched by these crimes it's
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important to recognize that serious crimes don't end with the prosecution of assess aspect I want to get into this
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for a second the effects of those crimes linger in the atmosphere they linger in
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the lives of the loved ones of the victims in the lives of the community for Generations man and so in this
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instance I was a member of that community tens of thousands of others were members
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of that Community those children of those tens of thousands are now a member of that community and the crimes linger
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and linger and linger for decades for decades for decades in multiple Generations so if you tell me
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but you don't have all the information then I say to you give me the information
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prove that I'm thinking about this wrong tell me something that you know tell me where I'm wrong say something
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they won't say anything because nobody's letting them because this case was not meant to be solved because this case
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this case is directly tied to some of the people who are politically entrenched in that in that community and
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financially entrenched in that community [Music] over the years Captain there have been
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many theories on who is the Oakland County child killer and how has the perpetrator been able to evade capture
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for all of these years but before we get into this too much I do want to point out that we did cover
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this case back in May of 2016 episode 28 if you have the Stitcher app and if you
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don't have the app we'll go get it because all of our episodes are there I didn't want anyone to think that we
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are skipping over anything in this case so if you're thinking that just know that on episode 28 we covered some
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different angles of each of these four murders and we also covered more of the Dr Danto stuff we covered the Allen and
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Frank Theory and the man from the diner Theory and I even said at one point that
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I thought that this could be the work of a man and woman team maybe a husband and
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wife the purpose of these two episodes this week is to explore a much different Theory and a theory now that might be
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looking like it's more likely than some of the others explored and Captain this is a theory that is quite similar to
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some of the thoughts that you had regarding the missing person Johnny gosh so what we did here was yesterday's
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episode was kind of a primer regarding the four murders and today we will explore a theory not discussed on that
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show before getting to the suspects that could be tied to this Theory let's go through the original profile of the
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perpetrator the task force developed a profile of the offender based on descriptions given by Witnesses who saw
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Timothy King talking to a man on the night that he was abducted the profile described a white male dark complexion
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age 25 to 35 with shaggy hair and long sideburns because the person seemed to be able to gain the trust of children
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the task force believed that the killer was possibly a police officer a doctor or a clergyman
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the profile describes the killer as someone who was familiar with the area and probably lived alone possibly in a
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remote area since he was able to keep the children for several days without friends family or neighbors knowing the
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interesting thing here Captain is we're going to discuss the possibility of a perpetrator that was able to hold these
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kids captive for several days but the possibility that friends did know what was going on and may have even
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been involved in the Abduction the Captivity and murder of four children so Captain let's go ahead and introduce J
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Reuben Appleman the author of the new book The Kill jar Obsession descent and a hunt for Detroit's most notorious
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serial killer which will be released later this week now he is the gentleman that you heard in our trailer earlier
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talking about hey I've put together a book on this investigation based off of information that I was able to collect
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information that was contained in the original in the original investigation right so basically Jay rubin's theory is
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it's not one killer that it's a multiple maybe a group of people and regarding his investigation into these crimes we
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wanted to ask him about some specifics mainly evidence that has been left out of a lot of the media reports as well as
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possible eyewitness sightings of vehicles that could have been involved and individuals that could have been
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involved in the perpetration of these crimes so one of the big problems I think with this investigation and you
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think so as well is when they actually started going to the public saying we're looking for this type of individual
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they're also saying that they're looking for a gremlin and we we know that there
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was another car that was seen in an earlier abduction that they never mentioned so so they're basically saying
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we're looking for this car but there's this other car that we saw too but we're not telling the public about that well
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one of the biggest talked about clues in this case that has stood the test of time here and still is
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discussed to this day is that car is that blue Gremlin however a 1971 LeMans was seen at the Jill Robinson murder
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scene right and I hold a lot of weight to this eyewitness and the reason why is because this individual once owned that
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car well in a vehicle left Clues as far as Tire imprints and bumper imprints at the maholic scene
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and a blue Gremlin with a white stripe was seen at the possible abduction site of Tim King so at least two different
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cars but maybe three or four different cars should have been discussed and yet the
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focus on the car was put on the blue Gremlin but the blue Gremlin which is weird here captain
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it was still in the parking lot after Tim was reported missing and the search was underway for the Lost Boy
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it's making it almost seem like it's it's not connected or if it was connected it was left at the scene for
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some reason it would have been more logical to research the Le Mans as the suspect vehicle there was a detailed
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description of the Pontiac LeMans from the Robinson site and was compared to the imprints at Christine's scene when
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this was done the imprints came back to be that closer to that of a Le Mans and not anything like a gremlin so too much
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time was possibly wasted on the wrong car well there's a lot of information about various vehicles that it's
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important to understand I say this all the time it kind of resonates the blue Gremlin was really you know a red
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herring the blue Gremlin was something that was easy to put on posters that stuck in people's minds
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was really just kind of a distraction from the reality of multiple other vehicles possibly being involved more
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specifically a Pontiac LeMans shows up in many of the police documents and and when I say the police documents I want
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to be clear with you that that I've read through and studied for years now thousands of pages of internal documents
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from the Michigan State Police the FBI throughout all that information multiple multiple instances of other
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vehicles show up besides the blue Gremlin so I like to put away all thought of the blue Gremlin however
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there is one instance of not a blue Gremlin but a blue Vega which is the mirror of the blue Gremlin it's a it's a
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same car different brand that shows up and that that that car was driven by two specific suspects in this case that
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become very important later on so but it let me back back up for just a second and address the Pontiac Le Mans there
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were other Pontiacs there was a tempest those Vehicles show up more than the blue Gremlin and you could say
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to yourself well why are we talking about the blue Grandma why does everybody even think about the blue
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Grandma Gremlin and and the answer it becomes very clear that when you're thinking about the blue gremlin
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you're not thinking about all the other cars and that's intentional so as we have
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seen with the vehicles the same might be true with the evidence we've always been told that the bodies
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were scrubbed clean that there was no physical evidence but your investigation would prove otherwise one of the most
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misleading parts of The Narrative of the Oakland County child killer case is that
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there was no evidence that from the very beginning in the 70s 76 77 78 79 into the early 80s news articles
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all the time all the time highlighted the fact that there was no substantive evidence found anywhere near
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the bodies that the bodies were meticulously scrubbed that the clothing was meticulously washed that they were
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looking for a lone serial killer of almost maniacal genius you know prowess somebody who would never get found
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because he they speculated were was so smart and aware of police work and and meticulous and you know like a Hannibal
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Lecter sort this was somebody who was just too smart to be really tackled immediate way although Hannibal Lecter
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is was locked up but the reality of this case was not only that there was plenty
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of evidence but that all of that evidence was was quashed was was shoved aside and you have to look back at the
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files and you say now wait a minute not only is it not a scrubbed clean body but it's actually a messy body and you
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have to wonder why that was why that was said and the main the main thing that I
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found when looking through the documents the main thing of importance to me when
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looking through the documents is that all of it points to the fact that very on there was an extreme amount of evidence
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and there were extremely substantive leads and that there were people who under today's standards of investigative and
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prosecutorial procedure would have been indicted for these crimes and ultimately
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found guilty so there was blood evidence there was semen evidence there was fingerprint evidence there was human
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hair evidence there was animal hair evidence there were carpet fibers I said well carpet fibers well what does that
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mean to you let's say the least of the evidence let's say some carpet fibers all of the kids had the same carpet
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fibers let's say human hair not just Christine had human hair on her there was human hair on multiple bodies what
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are your thoughts on the bodies being placed out in public areas out in the open and maybe even suggesting that they
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were taunting the police with the placement of these bodies yeah one of the things people often talked about in
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the beginning of the case and continued to talk about throughout the decades is that the bodies were not just dropped in
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plain sight but were neatly placed this is another instance of having to forget everything thing you've ever learned
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about this case and start from the beginning the bodies were yes they were dumped in plain sight no they were not
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placed neatly when people say why was something dumped in plain sight instead of what like buried somewhere out in the
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woods or whatever it doesn't make sense to a lot of people the answer is it makes perfect sense because this is not
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something that was very well thought out on the part of the killer this is somebody who just really wasn't thinking
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ahead methodically prepare for the murder of and dispose of the bodies of these children this was somebody who
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went off the rails had a body suddenly and had to dump it fast these bodies were just dumped out of out of the back
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of a car I mean you look at Timothy King's photo of his body at the drop site now the narrative that we've been
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given was that all of the bodies were neatly positioned arms across their chest this kind of [ __ ] Timothy King
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looks the actual photo of Timothy King at the drop site looks like he was just dumped out of a car as quick as possible
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he's buckled onto himself face down in the snow he just looks like a dude who just got tossed out of a car when you
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look at this black and white Xerox I have of this photo and you see his body like that there's no way no way
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whatsoever to think that we're dealing with anybody who meticulously planned anything this was this was somebody
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that in terms of The Dumping of the body at the very least who just need to get this body out of their car period when
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you say Plain Sight well there's two reasons to put in plain sight one is one is uh because they're trying to make a
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statement and that's the narrative everybody's run with oh it was two miles from this police station or something
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well you know you're in tight quarters almost anything is two miles from a police station if you're talking about a
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little area right or a couple of miles from the police station they wanted to build this this lore of like the
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maniacal killer who was taunting the police and all this [ __ ] it's totally totally misleading what really happened
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is that multiple people were complicit in the abduction sexual molestation photographing and such of
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these bodies of these of these kids and at some point these kids were murdered likely by the same person and it in in
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at least proximity to other people people who at least knew what was happening and then had to get rid of the
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[ __ ] body because he didn't know what to do he was not a smart person this was
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not a maniacal person this was the work of a slob somebody who leaves blood semen saliva fingerprints hair dog hair
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carpet fibers all over the bodies is not somebody who's making a statement by then you know being meticulous in the
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placement you know in proximity to a police station you know a couple miles away or something these were slobs man
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these were just there are prisons filled with criminals who weren't thinking ahead that's why that's why they're
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there I mean this is not this is not something that we really need to overthink anymore once you go back and
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you start from scratch and you get rid of all the narratives that you've been told and you realize they were all a
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line of [ __ ] just like this Narrative of the bodies being placed and I know you've thought this before and I
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know that others have thought this before because that's all you find in the news when you Google when you Google
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this case and you start your own investigative process and you start looking at all the reports and all the
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Bold pictures and the Google images of all the all the suspects and all that everything's out there but it's all out
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there from previous narratives none of it is really based on the documents that were obtained by foia request in the
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last decade that have been studied by some of the family members the victims that have been studied by me at this
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point and that have been studied by other police officers you know I met with police officer Jack calflash he was
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one of the original task force members on this case I had documents that he hadn't seen so why is that when you're
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talking about a task force member a task force member a member a trusted seasoned
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detective one of a couple of hundred at the time who were working this case not having the information
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that he needed to solve the case you have to suspect that that was on purpose a task force is allegedly
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brought together to solve the crimes so when he didn't even have the information that I had from the foia
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requests and again I talk about State Police documents FBI documents City documents Birmingham Ferndale Berkeley
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Southfield Livonia Oakland and Wayne Counties all of that information all that information points to totally
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shaking up all the narratives that you're familiar with and one of those narratives is the placement of the
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bodies and and it sucks to have to tell you that because I'm sure you spent a lot of time thinking about that when you
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when you did your investigative online investigative work but the reality is the photos of the bodies at the at the
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drop at the drop sites the narratives from the drop sites uh the individual statements from police officers who were
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at those drop sites don't line up with the grand Narrative of these bodies being neatly placed
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foreign [Music] [Music] cheers mates it's good to have another guy on the show that's not afraid to drop FB cheers
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to you captain and cheers to our friend J Reuben Appleman author of The Kill jar
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Obsession descent and a hunt for Detroit's most notorious serial killer which is available everywhere books are
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sold on Amazon and audible if you want to check it out make sure you do it's the book that will prove to you and
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everyone else that everything we've always been told about the Oakland County child killer is just not true now
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moving on Captain I want to get into some of our thoughts and something we opened up this episode with with the
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thought that it was not one lone killer that possibly a group of individuals were working together and had some
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involvement on some level and one two three or maybe all four of these cases now to do so we're going to
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have to introduce you or reintroduce you to some suspects that we mentioned when
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we covered the case the first time um some of these some of these suspects we just briefly
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mentioned on our show back in 2016 but one that we did talk about which is a great starting point is
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Christopher Bush Christopher bush had been in police custody short before Timothy King's abduction for suspected
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involvement in child pornography he committed suicide in November of 1978. and blood-stained ligatures were found
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in his apartment as was a hand-drawn image of a boy closely resembling Mark Stebbins screaming in agony which was
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found pinned to the wall in which Bush committed suicide there has been no confirmed activity
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remind me what the suicide was he he had shot himself and we'll get into that but
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the thing that investigators and a lot of people keep going back to when they talk about Christopher bush is that
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there has been no confirmed activity of the Oakland County child killer since his death so many in law enforcement
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have suggested that the real killer is dead and that the Oakland County case is pretty much closed the old we know who
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did it but he's dead now we're going to go through why that statement and that mindset could be
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wrong now here's here's the thing here captain in our previous episode I think that I
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had said that bush had hung himself as you just asked me there and we pointed out he he shot himself but that's
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actually a trickier situation because it is believed that no gunpowder residue was found on his hands so people people
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rightfully so question that if this was in fact a suicide or is there some kind of chance that
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Christopher bush was killed that he was the Fall Guy for a group of pedophiles that he belonged
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to right so kill Christopher Bush place the gun in his hands or on his bodies leave bloody ligatures in the room with
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him a drawing of Mark Stebbins screaming and paying tacked to the wall and there
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you go police believe they have their killer right but then no murders take place after that right okay so
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who could this group of individuals be that we keep talking about that could be involved in one way or another in in
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these cases okay so we started with Christopher Bush let's talk about a guy named James
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Vincent gunnels as a teenager gunnels was repeatedly sexually assaulted by Christopher Bush
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at the bush family's Lake cabin Bush was convicted of this crime gunnell's hair was a partial DNA match with a hair that
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was found on the blouse of Christine mihalik victim number three gunnels was questioned regarding his
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possible involvement in the Oakland County child killing cases and law enforcement claimed that gunnels cheated
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on one of these tests and failed another failed what test the polygraph the polygraph test I'm sorry
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I said he cheated he's a cheater gunnels is currently living at the central Michigan Correctional Facility
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he has a very lengthy criminal record but he could be released as early as June of next year so we have suspect
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Bush and we have suspect gundells which was being molested by Bush and there's some thought that maybe gunnels at some
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point became a accomplice of bushes that they were molesting individuals together
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at some point right regardless we have Bush who was considered a suspect in the cases who was a known acquaintance of
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gunnels and we find a hair on one of the victims of gunnels meaning gunnels either came in contact with this victim
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or she had been at the same place that he had been at some point right so let's bring another scumbag into the
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fold shall we and one of the earliest telephone tips submitted to police Christopher Bush's name is mentioned
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this is a voice recording that has mysteriously been lost or erased throughout the years of course it has
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but in regards to that tip in 2008 a victim of child molestation and we will not use his name here this victim
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testified in 2008 that when he was a child he was forced into sexual activity with another boy that he believes was
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Timothy King victim number four he also testified that he was later shown a Polaroid picture of that same boy again
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who he believes to be Timothy King the picture showed the boy tied up in the trunk of what the victim believed to be
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Christopher Bush's vehicle he also testified that he was present when Christopher Bush dropped off Timothy
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King at the home of a one Ted Lamborghini Ted Lamborghini lives at the Ken Ross Correctional Facility where he
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is scheduled to never be released he is serving life without the possibility of parole this is because in July of 1976
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this is around the time of the murders Ted was very busy committing 14 counts of criminal sexual conduct eight times
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with a minor between the ages of 13 and 15 six times with a child under the age of 13 years old
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Lamborghini is not only a sick disgusting pedophile pervert but he is as slippery as they come because
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although he committed these terrible acts in 1976 he was not caught until he was found in Parma Heights Ohio in
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December of 2006. turns out Ted Lamborghini and his good friend this is Richard Lawson were
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operating in a pedophile ring in Detroit in the 1970s and 80s once he's arrested here's the aha moment
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regarding the old statement of we know who did it but he's dead gets turned on its side here
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so once finally apprehended law enforcement publicly refers to Lamborghini as quote he was our most
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promising suspect in the Oakland County child killer case Lawson and Lamborghini
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operated in Detroit's Cass Corridor pedophile ring Lawson when caught pointed the blame for
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the murders at Lamborghini Lawson is serving a life sentence for murdering his boss in Livonia in 1989. he was
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arrested in 2005. Lamborghini rejected a plea deal that would have reduced his sentence
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greatly but it required him to take a polygraph and answer questions about the Oakland County child killings in
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exchange they would dismiss 13 of the sex charges against him Lamborghini said no gunnels that lies and cheats
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on one of the polygraphs and now we have this individual that will not take one even though he's going to get reduced
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sentence correct so now this is uh this is pretty disgusting and pretty it's already been disgusting to hear but
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um we have to clear up how these two know each other and how some of the other individuals know each other so the
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the cast Corridor pedophile ring was basically this okay a group of men there the cast Corridor was a very poor
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basically the projects okay and what they would do is they would pick up these boys who wanted food they wanted
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money they wanted things and they would give them things they would give them money they would give
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them food they would give them all three but in trade they were using them for sex
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and they would typically sodomize these boys photograph them throw them in a bathtub
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hose them off and then return them however they rarely harmed them in a physical way of let's say beating them
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or strangling them anything like that because they dropped off these boys with the hopes that at some point they're
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going to want some more money and they'll come back right they're not going to tell anybody because they're so
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poor right and so these men took advantage in they repeatedly raped these boys and it wasn't just one two three
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four five boys it was a lot of boys that lived in this area Okay so the thing here is how does Lamborghini
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get on police radar well he got there because Lawson remember his friend Richard Lawson who was involved in the
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same pedophile ring said hey I was scared of Lamborghini and I think he was involved in the murders well why he
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tells law enforcement about a very specific story he says that there was another pedophile that they hung out
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with his name is Bob Moore he was the owner of a bike shop that was near this cast corridor
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so he's another in this pedophile ring he kept a photo album of the boys that some of them were involved with at one
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point one night while they were hanging out in the bike shop Lamborghini opens up the photograph book and he shows
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Lawson a photo of a white kid from the other side of Eight Mile Road and he said to Lawson looks like the
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king boy doesn't it and gave him a wink you'll be glad to know that this other individual that we just introduced Bob
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Moore died in 1996 of cardiac arrest in his home his pit bulls devoured his carcass before the body was discovered
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right good Archibald Edward Sloan he owned a nice city name he owned a 1966 Pontiac Bonneville
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mitochondrial DNA taken from hairs found in Sloan's Bonneville matches DNA found
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at at least one of the body dump scenes I actually believe that this DNA matches
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DNA collected from as many as three of the crime scenes we got to be clear here though because the tricky thing is the
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DNA is not a match to Archibald Sloan but just simply hairs found in his car back then Sloan he was known to have
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lent out his car to plenty of people he also owns several other vehicles at this time he owned a 1969 black Chevy
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pickup in a 1971 blue pickup Archibald Sloan has been convicted of two counts of
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first-degree sexual assault against a male against male Miners and he is currently serving a life sentence
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okay I know that's a lot to take in but what we're pointing out here is that we have
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multiple individuals that have known ties to one another and they have some tie to one or two of the crimes
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and coincidentally they've all at some point been charged with sexual acts against minors two of them serving life
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sentences because they've committed so many of these crimes now we have to talk about a guy named Gregory green now this
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is taken directly from Barry King's website and blog he is the father of victim number four Timothy King the task
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force formally advised the king family that Gregory green was a potential suspect and that he participated in the
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Oakland County child killings this was discussed when the Michigan State Police reports were given to the king family
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Gregory green was a known pedophile and a companion of Christopher bush the Michigan State Police reports have
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extensive history of his pedophile convictions in California including one case in which green
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thought the boy was dead and dropped him off at a hospital okay so to be I don't
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want to go through this in any more detail than I have to but the the general the general thing in this particular
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case is this Gregory green not only enjoyed molesting boys but he enjoyed choking them at the
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same time on one of these occasions and I say one of these because he did this to multiple victims he thought he had
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killed the boy so he drove to the Hospital and he left the boy in front of the entrance just lying there right the boy
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ultimately was revived and so he lived luckily he lived uh he did have to serve jail time for this in
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California unfortunately it wasn't a life sentence and he once returned from jail once he's out of jail he returned
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to his home of Flint Michigan green and Bush they were confidants and spent time together and they molested
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individuals together including Christopher Bush's younger cousin well the list of sick [ __ ] this keeps
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continuing okay so we mentioned that Christopher Bush was spoken to by the police in regards to the Oakland County
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cases okay right so was Gregory Greene what they were able to get from these two individuals is one same story it's a
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very troubling story that the two of them at some point had agreed that one of them should get a day job and the
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other one should get a night job so if they took it a young victim captive that one of them would be present during the
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day to watch over the victim and the other present at night to watch over the victim however
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when asked the question Christopher Bush would not answer the question as to what
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they intended to do with the victim when they were finished with the child Barry
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King also in his blog states that on more than one occasion Gregory green stated that Christopher bush had killed
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Mark stabbin's victim number one now green was sentenced to life in prison for violating a child and later he died
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in prison in 1996. so all these guys are connected in some way and possibly had something to do with these murders half
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of them are dead yeah we're not definitively saying want to be clear on that we're not definitively saying that
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this is what happened up in Oakland County we're just simply pointing out that there are things and reasons to
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believe that one or a bunch of these individuals were involved and possibly working together to dupe the police to
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make it harder on their investigation yeah I think people knew that there was you know obviously child pedophilia
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going on but I think the idea that there was Rings or some kind of network I think
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was kind of probably not discussed a lot in the 70s it's not even discussed enough today well I think for us to get
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the break that is needed in this case I think that James Vincent gunnels is the go-to I think he's somebody that needs
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to really be talked to at length he's technically the only one with something to lose
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meaning that the others are dead or currently serving life sentences and one of the guys Richard Richard Lawson has
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already rolled on another person he's already said look I think Ted Lamborghini did this and here's why
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right but then we have the I think was the last group of guys that one of them thinks that they killed
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the first victim correct but what I'm pointing out here is gunnels is the only one with something left to lose every
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all the other individuals named in this story that we named as suspects and in this group are either dead or serving
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life sentences the the first sick thing about all this is that most of these individuals that we speak
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of as big of pieces [ __ ] as they are they are probably at one time victims themselves
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and then you have gunnels which we know was a victim and possibly became accomplice
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and I don't think that justifies anything I actually have some suspicion that maybe he is the reason why bush is dead
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and maybe that's why you're not going to get a lot out of him because maybe it's not this network of
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these sick [ __ ] um network of the sick [ __ ] that did all this stuff and they destroyed these
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children and they left them on the side of the road as if they're trash and I think for whatever reason this
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this guy that became a victim that probably got wrapped up in this and it probably had something to do with these
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murders of these children then decided that enough was enough and he had to kill the guy that was
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you know torturing him and and making him what he became yeah and it's just sick to know and have an understanding
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that these individuals were working together and here's the thing regardless if they were working together in the
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Oakland County child killer cases we know that some of them were working together in the cast Corridor case
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and you had mentioned the victims of the okay the Oakland County case being thrown out of the car disposed of like
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trash same with those poor kids that were allowed to go home at the end of the day
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they too were treated like trash by these men by by individuals named in this episode and victims
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of course they didn't get to choose to be victims if they were at one time a victim but at some point in their life
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they chose to victimize others and that was a choice that they made willingly made
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and this case was very hard to research and very hard to put together considering
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these individuals in the acts that they've committed against people in the community
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one people need to talk about this more often and know that it's part of reality
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and you have to accept that it there it is happening it's going on it's a problem and you need to be aware of this
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and maybe you can be part of the good guys to stop it well and if you want to learn more pick up
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The Kill jar by J Reuben Appleman you can also visit berrykings blog and learn more about the case there and anyone
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with information on any of the suspects that we have talked about or anyone with
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