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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] welcome welcome welcome welcome to you as well it's the 44th episode 44th
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episode of off the record wow eventually we'll get to 300 three and then I'm out I'm out and then
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we're quitting that'll be the last episode number 300 did you watch any of the um NFL
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combine the underwear Olympics as some people like to call it yeah I watched some of it there's this
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guy uh and I know we got plenty of True Crime stuff to talk about but I just want to mention this cuz I I just got
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say it out loud because it seems crazy there's this dude DK metf he's a wide receiver and he is like 1% body fat is
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what he checked in at or maybe under that if that's even possible but um he they have to bench 225 lbs and they
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count the Reps and it goes on your you know your resume to get into the NFL and he did I think he did 28 reps which
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which is a tie for the record by a wide receiver you wide receivers typically don't lift a lot of weight but doesn't
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he come from a family with running backs and wide receivers and he he may uh I don't know a lot about the guy other
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than he's like a physical specimen like he he he's the one that you should like put a poster of him on your wall
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somewhere to to inspire you to work out yeah I saw him run his 40 which was pretty fast not as fast as
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Campbell though okay yeah they they they were worried about his 40 time because of uh just his muscle
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massh but what's what's funny to me is Nick Bosa which arguably could be the first pick of the draft to go to Arizona
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um there were saying his combine might suck like his numbers just might not that was the prediction that his
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combine might suck yeah but I I believe his uh I mean other than like the weightlifting and stuff like that I
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believe his brother's numbers aren't great but basically they're like so these numbers matter on some level but
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then you got somebody like a freak of nature Nick Bosa that when he actually plays he does what he's supposed to do
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and then the numbers don't line up well makes sense and then he beat all of his brothers numbers is what I saw uh beat
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all of Joey's numbers but you know like you said it it doesn't really 100% translate into NFL success because right
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I was curious about when I saw the DK mataf put up 28 reps at 225 which I've never lifted
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225 tried to bench press it once ever I don't I I couldn't um but well that's maybe something you can work
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towards this year well they were I was looking at I wanted to see like what other records They had
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for reps at 225 and there's some dudes that have put up like 54 56 reps I can't remember the exact number that's the the
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record but they're all all the dudes at the top of that list you've never heard of them uh you know as an NFL player so
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right big and strong and yeah and Joey Bosa may had may have had terrible numbers but I mean
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he's he's already proven in the NFL that he's a dominant player I mean he's he's
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a GameChanger well and that's the thing is though you have the eye test and you always have the eye test and yeah and if
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you pass the eye test well then what are your numbers but but again somebody like Joey Bosa or Nick
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Bosa they pass ey test with flying colors right that you don't care what their numbers are so it's pretty
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interesting so yeah that was going on this weekend UFC this weekend college basketball is so interesting right now
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yeah I watched that that Tennessee game which was good the high State game was awful yeah and I Was preparing for our
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you know actual show mhm and I don't know how it happened was playing a little guitar
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like got done like with most of the stuff I was taking a little little break mhm and I fell down this Rabbit Hole
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last night and it was one of those rabbit holes where you start falling down the rabbit
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hole and you actually think that what you are hearing or reading or whatever you're looking to is fake okay that it's
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just made up and Alex Jones was on The Joe Rogan podcast and that's been like a big controversy because he's knocked off
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all the platforms and Joe finally had him back and it's it's an insane episode but what's but what's interesting is he
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he does bring up some things that on the surface just sounds like complete Wackadoo nonsense MH well they have
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people looking this up why he is talking about they're like factchecking as he's
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just rambling yeah and some of the stuff that they're bringing up there were I mean this was stuff that was reported in
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like the American science journal so it's not like that sounds like a reputable place right and and this um
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and this is a crime so I I want to talk about um oh we're going to talk about something they were talking about no but
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but it was it felt the same way when like I first start started watching a couple videos
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um on the on this case M and I just thought well this is this is not right this is this is made up this doesn't
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even sound right and why haven't I heard more about this but that's kind of what
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happens with I think some of the crazier news right uh so Auto warm warm beer uto
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warm beer is a person's name yes he was a student he was an American student he's from Cincinnati Ohio which is about
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an hour and a half away from us H he attended High School um did well was popular I believe he was
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second in his class okay but he actually gave a speech so I don't know if they have like the Val Victorian give a
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speech and the the second person or if the valid Victorian like I think when when I graduated we didn't have the
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valid Victorian do a speech because he was you know some 16-year-old Prodigy kid that didn't want to give the speech
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okay so it went to the next person so he gave this great speech you can see that
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online he ends up going to the University of Virginia and he's studying a double major and commerce and in uh
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economics and he's doing a for a foreign exchange program through the London School of um economics and
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then a minor and global stability now what's interesting is he's actually going to China to study some programs
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there MH he he he's doing a lot of stuff and he was 22 at the time 21 22 at the time so he is traveling all over the
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world he went to like Ecuador he went you know like I said China and he decides that he wants to go to North
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Korea and when he goes to so he's in Hong Kong completing like a study abroad program M gets it where he can um he can
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take this trip to North Korea and it's going to be about $1,400 which is really not that bad but
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he's already in Hong Kong right but it's for like five days seven days okay and it's
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through I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to find where it says because it was like one of these
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like through YouTube and all these stuff where it's like come travel with us and
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take this um the tour of uh North Korea with this company it's like it almost sounds like one of those
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group tours yeah but it but this was more for students this was like you know and they they promoted as like this is
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the tour your mom doesn't want you to go on right I can agree with that right and
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so this is the tour I don't I don't want you to go on we're talking about going to North Korea right yeah yeah like I
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don't vacation in Baghdad you know there just some places that I not only do I have no desire to go I have a strong
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desire to stay the hell away from it's well it's funny because it keeps on saying his tour group I'm just
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looking this up on Wikipedia so I I end up watching this like two-part series on
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it and then I end up watching these other interviews with his parents then I end up and we'll get into the other
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stuff did you find all the stuff on YouTube is that by like ABC CNN okay so there's probably a lot of people
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there are going you didn't hear about this you idiot uh no I was working on the show so I'm normally in the dark
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about a lot of this is this like recent events that we're going to be you're going to be hitting me with here oh no
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it's 2017 okay so almost a year ago but but it's okay so let's get into it so he decides that he's going to go from
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Hong Kong to North Korea he's a part of this tour group uh yeah young Pioneer tours is what it's called okay
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and yeah the their slogan is this is the trip your parents don't want you to take
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right and the stuff that they take them to they they had a breakdown on ABC where it was like they went here first
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and they went here first now none of this was like like they explain to you how to behave
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they explain to you don't do this don't do that right they bring you up to speed
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like on the the customs and stuff like like you know well and their laws are way different because you have this
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regime that you can't like make fun of MH you can't like you couldn't like let's say there was a statue of Kim
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Young right right you couldn't like go the supreme leader go up and like Kiss the statue and take a picture
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okay you can be arrested for that okay now look every country has the right to have its own laws and you should have
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then when you go to that country you should obey by those laws but here's where it gets creepy to
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me so they're staying at this hotel called the Yang G yangu yatu International Hotel now mainly this
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hotel is for you know like congressmen like diplomats and stuff would go there okay
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so very strange thing about let me spell this Yang gotu cuz you you want to look up some
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other stuff just about this hotel so it's y a n g g a k d o International Hotel mhm so that's where they're
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staying and this hotel is super strange it doesn't have a fifth floor is is five a bad number over there
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like cuz cuz here we you know there's a lot of buildings that don't have a 13th floor right so so technically there is a
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fifth floor and it's smaller mhm so like the other ones have taller ceilings this one
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is smaller well like I think 2 I think it was 2011 or so there was American Tourist that got into the fifth
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floor and videotaped it and I so there so there is a fifth floor or some believe that there's actually a
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fifth floor yeah and they they claim that they use it for like security and all that stuff but if you
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want to go to the dark side it's like this is for security but this is also I mean they're bugging your rooms
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because and they're allowed to do this it's their government but they're bugging these rooms to hear what the
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people are talking about blah blah blah and so the the video footage that you see of the fifth floor again it's real
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small so like maybe the ceilings are let's say 7 feet tall mhm and there's all this propaganda on the walls you
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know like we're the best country there's some signs that have giant bombs that say USA on
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them like they're going to bomb us and so he's traveling with this group The Young Pioneer tours he has a roommate
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that's quite a bit older he says that the whole time on the trip that Otto is a super nice kid super smart having a
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lot of fun he's not Rowdy and they go to the air port and they're going to leave and then all of a
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sudden they were um he was arrested he got a tap on the shoulder and uh two guards came uh simply tapped Otto on the
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shoulder and led him away was he the only American in this group or do you I mean if you don't know
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you don't know I'm not for sure but it's a group of people and he's the only one
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that's arrested yeah okay and then his his roommate said jokingly well that's the last time we
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see you you know just kind of making a joke right well Otto kind of you know he didn't resist he didn't look scared he
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sort of half smiled so then what the North Korean government says is that Otto tried
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to that Otto did get to the fifth floor after a night of drinking that he was dressed in black and he was pulling down
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one of the propaganda Signs Now where it gets interesting is they show you the footage and you can't tell if it's him
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or not right and a lot of people actually believe that it was this other guy in the group and there's like he you
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know he has all these pictures with the group like you know from traveling and and and being being a tourist and
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there's all these pictures of him playing with North Korean kids doing snowball fights and stuff like that mhm
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and so they claimed that he tried to pull down this poster and that he was trying to smuggle it out of the
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country again I think it's strange that he gets tapped on the shoulder and he doesn't seem nervous at all yeah and he
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just kind of goes well but but I mean he could have I mean there's a chance that
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it could just be a uh you know a a made a made video to to claim that somebody to claim that
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Otto went to the fifth floor right you know it could it could it didn't even have to be somebody in the group it
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could just be total conspiracy somebody else yeah staged this thing and said well if if the US reaches out and we
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need a reason for why we've taken this person captive uh we need to we need to be able
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to show them something and go oh look no he did this while he was here we this is
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no good we're going to lock him up yeah so then he gets he gets interrogated I that's probably not the
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correct word he's probably tortured at some point is what I'm guessing so then he confesses to doing
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it but it doesn't seem it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense well and here's the thing torture
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is a horrible way to go about questioning or interrogating anyone because most people if not damn near
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everyone at some point they're going to give in and just say they did whatever you are accusing them of to hopefully
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stop whatever you're doing to them you know it's you're not going to get to the truth by applying pain to people yeah I
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mean they say it's not known whether the confession was forced or not so there's
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two videos of him that I could find there's possibly more but there's one that's about 30 minutes long where he
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goes into great detail on this confession and it sounds like like something that Alex Jones
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would make up mhm he starts talking about how this Methodist Church in his hometown that one of his friends mothers
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was like Hey we're a part of this organization and we go into countries that especially communist countries and
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we try to spread Christianity and we will give you like I think he needed a car or something and she's like we'll
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give you a a car that's worth $10,000 mhm but you have to bring back something bring back one of the these you know
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propaganda posters and we'll give you $10,000 but if you're cap if they capture you then and now now mind you the first
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video that you see him is a month after being there I mean he's arrested and nobody sees him for a month and I think
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the next one was a month after that okay so he's arested at uh roughly two two months at this point and he's saying hey
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this church this lady this church and and why is this church important well they donated a bunch of money to
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President Obama and that's why that they're so important and all these people come
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through Cincinnati they stop there and they're you know heavily influencing the United States
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government but is this so strange but if you're captured if they detain you well
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we're going to give $200,000 to your family and it's all this nonsense too about like how his
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family is so poor and all this stuff it's just like and that is nonsense his parents are you know not they're not
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poor they're not yeah but they're not rich but they're not poor the middle class people right and and the fact of
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the matter is you know his parents were giving him some extra money like he had some money to go on the trip the parents
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gave the extra money I mean they're helping him go to college so so not poor and so then he says well they're
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going to give them $200,000 now that sounds nuts but the other thing that sounds nuts is he's saying that that was
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an obligation that he had with his family that if his brother and sister were going to go to college that he had
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to come up with $200,000 never heard of that before you know what I mean like been in America a
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long time I don't know one friend of mine that went to college and then had to pay for their brothers and sisters
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College you see what I mean I I I've actually heard of that before but I don't think it's not common in any way
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at all I I've I have heard that um but it's a very small percentage of people but the whole the whole premise was that
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their their family was so poor right so and there's so that's strange but what's
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really strange is then he starts talking about the Z the Z society which is a secret society and this is Otto yeah
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telling us this and this is like I think it's like about 40 minutes you can watch
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the whole thing he basically comes out he lays out everything that happened and then they have people ask questions mhm
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and the way they do so is so strange because whoever asks the question then this person that's sitting
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beside Otto will then go into more detail um it's almost like a stage who's the person sitting next to him it's
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almost like the judge okay you what I mean so he's confessing and then he's like hey if you have any questions and
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then they ask questions to aut sometimes he answers but after he anwers the person goes into bigger detail cuz
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they're really trying to connect this church to our government and then this secret society the Z society which is a
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secret society at the University of Virginia which they claimed that he wanted to join and they're allies with
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the CIA which if you look into the Z society as far as Virginia goes it's kind of
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like skull and crossbones right type of idea and so that that's the other whole thing that like by doing this that he
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was going to get ahead and because guys with good grades they can get super great paying jobs once they're done but
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to get into the Z Society you have to do some sort of Bravery so this would be his act and this is what he's saying
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this is what Otto's confessing to but again it keeps talking about how he's in cahoots
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with the government like this church is in cahoots with government the Z sociey In Cahoots with the government they're
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in cahoots with the CIA so therefore I am right right so um uh so a lot of people then think that
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all this stuff was just written for him he's brainwashed well is a speculation no not even that he's brainwashed that's
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just and this happens with terrorist groups all the time you know let's take somebody
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hostage and then we make them read this thing right you know and you'll see people say you know I'm I was arrested
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because I was doing blah blah blah blah blah and they weren't doing anything but
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they have to admit it or they're going to get killed so it gets strange because then Obama uh
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the Obama this happens I think at the start of or at the end of Obama's terms but Obama and and that our regime says
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to the parents hey we can't make a big deal about this let's we're going through these back doors we're going to
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try to work this out because he is basically sentenced to like 10 to 15 years of like manual labor oh great yeah
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for something we're not convinced he actually did yeah we don't know for sure we have video footage but we don't know
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it's him uh there is no trial now you're getting this guy to confess in this super strange way and talking about
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these secret societies and blah blah blah blah blah right and it's just it's strange it's
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bizarre and if you watch his confession it's strange and there's a couple points
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where when they're walking him they're holding his arms but you see his arms like down in front of him handcuffed and
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they're almost like not moving properly you know kind of how like weaken at Bernie when you when they're carrying
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Bernie mhm it's almost like he has like these goofy arms you have to watch the footage to just it's very strange like
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there's to me I think there's evidence that there's something going on with his legs and his
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arms and then he's do this crying you know like think about my family and and people say that's acting I don't know if
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it's acting but it's but it's it if it's acting it makes sense because it is so bizarre and maybe he's just a bad actor
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but it's but it's it's just so bizarre and there was like a couple times like he gets up and I don't know if he bows
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but it's it's very strange he he's the young man that they had on I I'm making a guess here so tell me
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if you think I'm right or wrong but is he the young man that was in a suit and they're like walking him out of what
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appears to be maybe a court or some kind of press conference or yeah okay I remember confession okay I remember
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seeing cuz they played them walking him out of that on just about every news station kind of
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repeatedly and all I really remember of it is the it was a scary image to see them walking him out cuz he doesn't
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appear to be he doesn't appear to be leaving on his own in any way like like like the
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brain's not firing on all you know what I mean like like his body's not responding yeah and it's strange though
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too because he you know he's obviously intelligent so like when he's giving the confession and he's answering questions
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he's very polite he's very like like his brain is together at that point mhm so he's basically I think arrested
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and after that time I think nobody sees him and um I'm trying to think let me look this
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up real quick so it so they have the C CCTV footage and they claim fingerprint evidence witness
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testimony he was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor labor uh Human Rights Watch called the
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hearing um a kangaroo court oh uh and they they describe the sentencing as outrageous and shocking again you're
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trying to steal a poster which they caught you if they did catch you then you got the poster back and also just uh
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produce the poster show us that that whatever you think he was trying to steal that you have because if he did
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steal it and he's in line to leave the country then you know would see that so that's
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on March 18th and again there's a brief low resolution video timestamped 1:57 a.m. a figure moves a poster from a
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corridor wall and places it on the floor leaning against the wall the footage released uh does not display any other
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events uh so then he claims that uh during his confession that he abandoned the poster after discovering it was too
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large to carry away so you got a guy that graduated second in his class you don't think he thought of that before he
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tried to steal it right you know um so it's is super strange but is there any chance that he is being talked about
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by people that uh people in power like because we've been having or attempting to have some talks with North Korea you
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would think that his name and I'm sure there might be other people as well but you know when you try to extend the
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olive branch and and and have some kind of decent relationship with countries that you've not got along with sometimes
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they you know you'll make a request hey can you release this guy to us as an act
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of good faith right so they end up Le releasing um a so warm beer what a name warm beer not
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cold beer warm beer but they release him and and I believe three others well here's where it gets even more [ __ ] up
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all right when you say they release them they release them to us to the United States yeah but the problem is when
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they're taking Auto off the the plane he is not coherent at all he's they basically as they're releasing him to us
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they're like oh yeah by the way he's in a coma oh okay so it was the same guy and that's the footage I remember seeing
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the news footage and but then the the dad talks about like when they before they brought him off the plane that he
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heard like these noises coming from the plane mhm and he could see that his son was like held down in Restraint and like
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has restraints on him but he's making almost like animal noises um and he thought what the hell's
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going on well but he's in a coma and their whole thought was now he's going to be back in Cincinnati we're going to
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get him the treatment he needs he's in a coma but hey he's here we're going to be
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able to take care of this he's going to get out of the coma and everything will be fine right so they give some speeches
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they're optimistic they're emotional obviously but they're optimistic well six 6 days later he dies
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yeah so yeah I remember this but here's where it gets even were they able to find anything in his system like because
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I I believe that the speculation was that they were injecting him with something well so they what the Korean
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government says is oh well you know coma we think it's botulism right and so you
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can contract this from like food Airborne too but but they think they got from food and then what that does is
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it's like a really bad disease where it starts eating your brain tissue and you start losing function of your arms your
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legs uh your sight everything what and what they were saying if I remember correctly they were
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kind of given the old well he was fine when we had him weren't they kind of saying that
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like well they're well they're trying to say that he's in a coma because of botulism right and then we do all these
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studies and we go oh well there's no link there is no sign of Bot botulism okay I think I'm pronouncing that
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correctly sounds right um but yeah so the whole thing was that he fell into a coma after taking some
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sleeping pills I I don't think that's correct at all um so then there was this idea that they fed him certain drugs and
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those drugs would have been drugs that would have basically deteriorated his brain cells and his brain tissue and the
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more brain tissue that you destroy then eventually I mean the doctors here said he he didn't
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even recognize language that he also didn't recognize them as being being like human like
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they're talking to him there's no recognition right and then he he ends up dying like I said six days later and now
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you have Trump that says well I talked to Kim Young and and and he says he didn't know anything about it that's
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possible I I don't I don't put that past him you're you're the head of this country do you know of
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everything that's happening right probably not but you're allowing these people to do this stuff anyways so
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whether or not you knew about this one case you know that this stuff is happening oh yeah and but but the other
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I mean some of the details like when the parents say when they pulled him off the
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plane the mom could see her son's bottom teeth and she said it looked like they were Twisted with pliers m
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so what is it and it's so crazy because I mean you have a you have a human that is not even understanding
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that a language is being spoken to him right not even recognizing as anything and how does this guy go from a super
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intelligent kid to 18 months in captivity to so brain dead that he ends up dying 6 days after they release him
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mhm and it's back in the news now because and maybe that's what you know struck YouTube to say hey check this
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story out and I I want to dive into it more I mean I don't know all the little details like I said I watched a bunch of
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these like one parter two-parter things on on YouTube but I also watched the whole confession which was I believe
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like 37 minutes long but it was just so crazy and then when you Brin into this whole Z
00:36:02
society and this you know Methodist Church and that stuff sounds so made up but at
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the same time there is a z Society at University of Virginia there is a Methodist Church in this whole town that
00:36:19
is is a very wealthy Church mhm so it's strange but and you have this kid that's super bright and he's
00:36:30
traveling a lot but again we're going to send our best and brightest over there to steal a a
00:36:41
poster you know what I mean if you want to if you want to learn about things if you want to do some damage to this
00:36:49
regime you're not going to steal a poster I mean what's this poster going to do oh see look I showed you this
00:36:56
poster that's the easiest thing to dismiss I mean you can even have footage of you stealing the poster from a wall
00:37:05
and people could say somebody put that poster on that wall and you took it down or you put
00:37:12
that poster up on the wall and then took it down you you see what I'm saying like
00:37:16
a a poster in North Korea of them saying that they hate America or Americans that's not what's that going
00:37:24
to do you know what I mean like that's not going to spark this outrage where we go
00:37:31
hey we might go to war with you but this kid's death you want to talk about some
00:37:41
outrage you know what I mean yeah the death of this kid that's outrage and we've seen in this
00:37:48
country when there's a tragedy and there becomes outrage that that sometimes leads to
00:37:55
people throwing up their hands and saying hey if you want war you got War so it's it's a very interesting case
00:38:03
in aay that hasn't really dove into it I'd say you know if you're bored sitting around and you want to dive into
00:38:11
something this it's really fascinating it's really fascinating to watch the confession and to watch the tapes of
00:38:18
this of this kid and and then the parents as well especially the parents now cuz the parents were they they they
00:38:25
were trying to be as respectful as possible now they're going look this is ridiculous right this is uh
00:38:32
these guys are responsible for our son's death yeah I think that there should be
00:38:36
some consequence for this happening yeah they filed a lawsuit against them against North Korea they won the lawsuit
00:38:45
but again I believe they did and but that doesn't mean anything they're not going to
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make you know I mean they're not going to make anybody pay yeah you know it's like yeah they want
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they want some legal thing over here but what do that mean right 17 months total
00:39:06
in prison but uh such a sad story and and especially coming from a kid from Cincinnati and he I mean he keeps on
00:39:15
saying Cincinnati Ohio and it's just uh during the the confession and the more he keeps saying that the more it hits
00:39:23
home with me and I go this kid's just you know and this kid's an hour this kid was a hour and a half away from
00:39:31
us and and this should be talked about more because they've been trying to pass a
00:39:39
law recently where you're not allowed to travel to North Korea and I do know that
00:39:45
the group that he was traveling with the young Pioneers are not I mean they've had
00:39:52
thousands upon thousands of people that they took on these tours and nothing bad
00:39:56
happened right and yes are they saying this is the this is a tour your mom doesn't want
00:40:03
you to go on whatever they they were telling people the rules the people there were normally
00:40:09
respectful and but now they're not even taking people over there anymore like right we
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we're not even going to take the chances I mean this kid basically came back like
00:40:22
a zombie and that's very sad well and they could I mean if this happened once I mean they it seems like they
00:40:32
could just willy-nilly detain anybody they want for whatever reason they want and then this could be the sad terrible
00:40:40
outcome from that you know so it's horrible stuff horrible stuff but it's like crazy once you start hearing
00:40:48
that stuff about the Methodist Church the Z Society it's like is you know is that is there anything to that
00:41:03
it doesn't make any sense but then it's like is North Korea making him say this and and why you know what I mean like
00:41:13
why would they make him say stuff like that well I mean really there's there's what three
00:41:18
possible you know explanations for this either a this is something he actually believed and was something that there
00:41:28
might be some truth to or B this is something that was fed to him by his captors right right to to repeat
00:41:36
and to go into detail about and that's what I think we're we probably should lean toward that as being the
00:41:43
explanation because as you said there's like a Handler there with him you know uh filling in the blanks and and adding
00:41:51
to the story or C your third explanation could be was this is this a hallucination that
00:42:01
would that he does believe but it created by whatever poison they're pumping through his
00:42:07
veins yeah yeah or they're saying hey why did you do this and he said I didn't why did
00:42:14
you do this I didn't oh let's feed you some more drugs I didn't I didn't oh why did I do this oh well there's a secret
00:42:23
society in the University of Virginia one of the things I thought funny was he said uh that uh when he was a freshman
00:42:33
when he started school is when he first learned about the secret society and I thought if it's so secret this is
00:42:41
probably not something you'd learn the first quarter that you're in school or the first semester you're in school if
00:42:47
it's so secretive but it it is interesting if you do look up um University of Virginia as as we
00:42:55
talk about college basketball coming up on the University of V Virginia on the campus you'll see Z's
00:43:05
everywhere there's on steps they're like they're hidden in plain sight almost and
00:43:11
so that's but I think people also don't deny that there is is it a secret society Maybe not maybe it's more of
00:43:19
this skull and crossbones but definitely it was a rabbit hole that uh I dove down and
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I couldn't get out of so [Music] [Applause]