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oh 17-year-old Candace hiltz was found dead August 15th 2006 she was shot seven times total six in the head and one in
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the chest three guns might have been used to kill Candace hilts a shotgun a small caliber gun and a bullet from a
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medium caliber gun the paths of the bullets are steeply downward back to front and left to right
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the autopsy does not present evidence that the guns were fired at close range or the order she was shot Candice was
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shot in the head once with a shotgun and then five times in the back with a gun of a small caliber she was also shot
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once in the chest from the front with a gun of a medium caliber someone had broken into the home
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of Candace hilts and murdered her that afternoon with the gun evidence was it one person using three
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guns or two killers or possibly more this is just the first of many strange twist in the murder of
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17-year-old Candace Hills and this is true crime [Music] garage [Music] Candace hiltz was born on December 22nd
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1988 in Canon City Colorado Candace was born into a large family she was the only girl and the youngest child she had
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nine older brothers unfortunately Candace was only 5 years old when her father passed away at a very early age
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it was obvious that Candace was extremely intelligent Dolores hiltz is Candace's mother and she describes her
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daughter as candy was a gift and noted that Candace was doing calculus at the age of 11 Candace's sister-in-law this
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is Heather hiltz said the two were close growing up and grew even closer when she
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married into the family and saying Candice was outspoken smart funny and would readily tell you what she thought
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even if you didn't like what she was saying mhm sounds like somebody I know yeah sounds like somebody I'm sitting
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next to uh sitting next to yourself she grew up to be a strong young lady who could give
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her nine older brothers a dressing down if she thought they needed it now we mentioned that Candace was very smart uh
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this is how smart she was when most kids her age were in high school she was enrolled at Brigham Young University
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when Candace was 16 she was halfway done with college but then she got pregnant and then gave birth to a baby girl and
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named her Paige this is in September of 2005 Paige was born with an illness this
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is a hydris uh which is basically fluids uh or buildup of fluids on the brain or in
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the brain this meant that Paige would not likely live a very long life Candice questioned her mother about how she
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could afford to continue to go to college and also care for her ill daughter Dolores and Candace decided
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that they would figure out something and Candace's mom never told her that she should drop out of school and just get a
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job and tend to the baby no Dolores told her daughter that college was you know her daughter's dream and that they would
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figure something out so by the age of 17 Candace was a mom and still a college student but now taking classes online
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through BYU she was looking to fulfill another goal after BYU she had just received an acceptance letter to
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Stanford law school so by by the age of 18 she was going to graduate from BYU and then go on to Stanford law school
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her dream was to be a Supreme Court Justice on August 10th 2006 the sheriff department is going to show up at the
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hilts home and they have questions because they're looking for Candace's brother yeah and this is uh officer
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Robert Dodd from the local sheriff's department he's at the hilts home now we have to set this up a bit before we get
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into this stuff so the hilts home is located in Fremont County in Colorado which is policed by the Fremont County
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Sheriff's Department M Candace and her daughter Paige lived at Dolores hilts home remember this is Candace's mother
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I've read several newspaper accounts of this and I'm still a bit fuzzy on who was all living at the home for reasons
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that will become clear as we go but according to the newspaper accounts they are quoting Candace's mother Dolores uh
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Candace and Paige lived at her home along with with a couple of her older brothers of those older brothers is
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James hiltz who is a very big part of our story James suffered from some pretty severe mental illness his mother
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describes this as he is very delusional and fearful of interaction with other people and this fear or phobia of other
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people extended to his own family James's mother says that at this time in August of 2006 James was living in a
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tent in the woods behind the hilts home now this is a very rural area so to be a
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little bit more clear James was living deep in the woods behind their house so maybe something a little bit deeper than
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just anxiety mhm maybe some sort of schizophrenia possibly that's what I would believe and the reports I read it
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sounds like they would often not see James for days uh Dolores said James would rarely interact with anyone in the
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hilts family he didn't have any close close friends because he had this fear of interacting or being around other
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people theor said James believed that some other woman was his actual mother and this of course only distanced him
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further from the family it sounds like this was a pretty long-term condition that they had been dealing with for a
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long time uh because it's often reported that Candice stood up for her older brother uh because unfortunately a lot
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of times people can be mean so anyway back to the Sheriff's Department mhm officer Robert Dodd was sent to the
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hilts home he was there to question James uh the reports are for trespassing and stealing some items James entered
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somebody's home and took some of their property well of course James is not there for officer Dodd to question him
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because he's living in the woods um so officer Dodd talks to Dolores and Candice FYI I should throw this out
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there we would only end up with one version of this story this would later come from Dolores for some reason
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Candice becomes upset with the officer there could be a multitude of reasons for her becoming upset with him uh maybe
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she didn't like the questions maybe it was possible things that were said about her brother that she didn't like yeah
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and while she's also pretty young and even though she's doing these more adult activities by going to college and stuff
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doesn't mean that she is mature for her age mhm or or what I you know what I think is probably most likely Captain if
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this story is in fact true MH it's probably the way the officer was treating Candace's mother Dolores that's
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my guess yeah you know the officer when told why Dolores could not produce her son James for questioning you know I
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can't tell you where James is except he's living in a tent somewhere in the woods you know probably sounds strange
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and weird to the officer almost like he's she's hiding her son or she's lying mhm uh so anyway Candace gets loud with
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the officer there is there's now a l a loud argument going on between Candis in officer Dodd well and sometimes you
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become pretty protective of individuals that are very protective of you mhm so that could be apparently at some point
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Dodd threatens to arrest Candice and she for what well you know how these things
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probably go down when an officer is not getting the answers that they want I I can just kind of picture this thing
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working out in my head right he shows up he's looking for James he questions the
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mother I can't tell you where he is except for he's living in the woods sounds like a madeup story the officer
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gets upset with the mother probably threatens her with some kind of obstruction of justice situation then we
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have Candace stepping in to defend the mother and I'm guessing he probably thre that obstruction of justice idea out to
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Candace well apparently Candace kind of threatened him back cuz she's basically telling him yeah go ahead and arrest me
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this is a tactic that they get with their handbooks right I I hope not no they do it's a the handbook is called uh
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cops with small dicks handbook and when they feel threatened by you know 16 17year old female uh they have to pull
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out these you're obstructing justice I'm going to arrest you yeah I mean I mean I
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usually have the police backs but this situation sounds to me like a bully tactic you like I've run out of I've run
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out my brain is small so I've run out of ideas now I'm just going to throw this well I'm going to arrest you idea out
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there yeah no no I look I love cops I love anybody that is willing to sign up to protect and serve but again that
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those those two words are not happening here who's he protecting MH he's not protecting Candice or the mother and
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he's not serving the the public by threatening people that he's questioning well here's an idea if you really want
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to find James okay yes he's he's thought to have broken into some homes and stolen some pretty small items that are
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not extremely valuable if you really want to catch James isn't your best bet befriending the mother and family
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members of this guy who's potentially living in the woods rather than going in there and disrupting the whole situation
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and upsetting everybody well and I also think you know you you have to show respect to get respect and so I think a
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lot of these times you know that you know they I think a lot of times people of authority will come in not just cops
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but well they'll come in with the attitude that you I deserve respect it's like well look show them some respect
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show them that you actually care look this isn't so much about your son breaking into somebody's home cuz that's
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bad but these little items that they stole we can replace those but what's going to happen when your when your son
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that has some mental illness breaks into a home with a with a gun owner and then
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the gun owner protects their their property and protects himself and rightfully so and then your son ends up
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dead because of this and if I think if you approach it in that manner then you're going to get some answers right
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right and and maybe we need to just keep it as we'd like to talk to your son we don't know if he's guilty of anything at
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all but again that goes back to Serve and Protect because then you're trying to explain to them hey we're trying to
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serve the community but we're also trying to protect your son in the process here's the thing when DOD gets
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threatened back by Candice she basically tells him to go ahead and arrest her because according to Dolores Candace
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says that she tells DOD that she had seen him on several occasions accepting envelopes from known drug dealers and
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she would gladly tell others at the Sheriff's Office what she had witnessed once he brings her in on this
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arrest very very uh interesting play yeah Candace should should be should have been a poker player um officer do
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she was ared in law so there's there's possibility too that you know she saw on law enforcement and she's like Brin it
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I've been studying this my whole life MH officer Dodd eventually leaves the hilts
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home that evening he never ends up speaking to James uh and he arrests no one that night MH now with within a few
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days of this incident with officer Dodd the hilts family dog goes missing of course as we said this is a rural area
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and that means you know there's about a 50-50 shot that this dog was an outside dog you know lived outside right uh I
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have several friends that live out in the country without outdo dogs and well sometimes outside dogs take off on a
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little adventure for a day or so and I know my friends don't really become alarmed until the dog is gone for like
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three or more days okay uh so this it's hard to say if this set off any alarms or any red flags with the family okay we
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had to take a little bit of a break there Captain apparently there chopping down forest around the garage so if you
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hear some noise in the background that is not me feeding the captain into a wood chipper uh that's just that's just
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some people taking care of say something so the people know that you're still here I'm here all right he's here I'm
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one Lim short but no they're chopping down a tree or something and they're going to toss it into the grinder but we
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don't have time to waste that's right so now of course Captain there are cases that we have a he said she said
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situation this case well this case is a he said she said they said she said and oh yeah nobody's talking about this so
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with all of that it makes it extremely tough to piece together this story but we're going to sift through this thing
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together my friends throw it all into the mix stir up the pot and see what we're left with so with that in mind we
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continue and I want to throw out here that some reports state that the family was alarmed that and concerned about the
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missing family dog while other reports simply state that the family believed it's the country we've lived in the
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country for a long time this was not a concern okay so let's recap real quick on August 10th while the sheriff's
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department was looking for James hilts officer Dodd gets into an argument with Candace at her mother's home in front of
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her mother then a couple days later the hilts notice that their dog is missing there is one News newspaper report
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stating that Candice went to the Sheriff's Department It is believed this would be to file some sort of comp
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complaint the report does not state where this information came from if a report was actually filed or by whom uh
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they got this information so we cannot verify that and then there is August 15th this is just 5 days after the
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argument with officer do Dolores is out running an erand and at home are her daughter Candice and granddaughter baby
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Paige Dolores says that she left the home around noon she returned to the home a little after 3:30 p.m. that same
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day when she arrived she does not see Candice instead she sees an obvious sign of a struggle she hears her
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granddaughter crying and she makes her way through the house Dolores notices blood she gets to her daughter's her
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granddaughter's room and Paige is in her crib crying there is a bed in this room
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and the bed appears to have been propped up there's something underneath of it Dolores investigates it's a large
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comforter stuffed under the bed and she pulls and tugs on the comforter pulling it from out under the bed as she pulls
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on it it starts to unravel inside the comforter she discovers the lifeless body of her 17-year-old daughter the lus
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knows that it is Candice but due to the injury she she sustained in her death Candice is
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unrecognizable her face and head are a bloody mess at some point the authorities are called the Fremont
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County Sheriff's authorities responded more than one hour later it took him a whole hour well what's confusing here is
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what time was the call placed okay um because Dolores says that when she found her daughter that she you know she was
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stricken by grief you know shocked at at the discovery and she she basically fell
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to the floor and laid there holding uh Candace's hand for some time uh I'm unclear as to who called
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911 um and and at what time that PL that call was placed but the reports that we
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can see state that sometime about an hour to a little more than an hour after Dolores returned home is when the
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sheriff's department arrived on the scene we have uh we have deputies Brisco and Dodd the Fremont County coroner this
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is Dr Dorothy twillman uh followed shortly behind this was an obvious homicide from from the get-go the first
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report to come out in the newspapers had little real information and was wrong uh
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it it simply stated a girl's body was found dumped in a remote area of the county even though there's a lot of
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reasons to speculate and question a lot of things in this case I don't find this
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as anything of importance uh more than more than likely what happened is the sheriff's department offered little in
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the way of information and the paper just ran with the story right they just went with speculation instead of facts
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yeah the reporter was probably just told that they had found an unidentified girl
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who had been murdered um the next reports were accurate with no you know with with again no real detail simply
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stating Candace hiltz 17 died of multiple gunshot wounds on August 15 2006 in the family home in Copper Gulch
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uh Area 25 mil Southwest of Canon City well you're telling me earlier too that a lot of reports uh reported Candice as
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16 yeah like they couldn't even get the age right yeah there's several reports that say she's 16 and some saying she's
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17 mhm years later Candace hilts mother Dolores hiltz discussed with the Daily Record about her daughter's murder
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describing how she was the one who had found her daughter and that it was something she will never forget stating
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that she had found her wrapped in a blanket underneath of the bed mhm it it was after Candace hiltz was found that
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authorities began searching the area and they found the family dog um unfortunately the author the authorities
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found the dog tied up to a tree in a place that quote you wouldn't have seen him uh the dog was tied to a tree and
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killed with possibly an axe or some kind of hatchet now detectives are working on
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a new Theory after having found the family dog tied up to this tree in the woods behind the house that someone had
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either targeted the hilts house for a possible burglary or targeted Candice for murder the killer or Killers who had
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done this took the dog and killed it a day or a couple days before forcing their way into the home and killing
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Candice premeditated okay yeah they they also yeah premeditated break-in or premeditated murder they had also found
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that someone had forced their way into the home using a crowbar or pry bar on a door forcing it open to gain entry into
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the Residence at some point detective uh Bruce Brisco told Dolores that authorities believed her son James hiltz
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was a person of interest in the case and they mounted a search to find him uh I have a newspaper report saying that he
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was 28 and again some saying he's 29 not a big deal but it seems to be a common um you know Common occurrence in this
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case yeah errors uh but anyway he's in his late 20s and at this time and he's over 10 years older than Candice at the
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time of her murder the family is ordered out of the home this whole place is a crime scene Dolores is brought to the
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Sheriff's Department for questioning during a 4-Hour interview Dolores hiltz said she was repeatedly asked who her
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son was hanging out with she answered of course no one he won't even talk to his brothers it was then
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discovered by the authorities that James was suffering from a psychotic episode or psychotic episodes and he had been
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released early from a mental health facility and was living off the land apparently he was getting like you you
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know how mothers are um even even when well you have a mother and you you are a guy that claims to know a lot of mothers
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so we're going to bring that up again again yeah so you are an expert I don't need to tell you this but you know how
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mothers are the best and here's why mother most of the time no matter what you do yeah maybe there might be some
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distance between the two of you but they'll still try to help you out any way that they can and here's a good
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example of that I don't I don't think you've met my mother apparent apparently uh James was getting food and water from
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a camper outside of the hilts home that his mother was stalking she was keeping it stocked with food and water for him
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today wherever he was camping in the woods and she wouldn't have to worry about him starving to death out there
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right and then should also know if he took the food yeah that he still that's that's smart I didn't even think about
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that uh she told detectives that James uh didn't come to the house wouldn't come to the house wouldn't talk to
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anybody in the family also telling them that uh he's delusional and he thinks that Dolores is not his mother and some
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other woman has replaced her so Within any mental break one could assume that almost anything is possible mhm but uh
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what doesn't add up here is okay one how is he get in this crowbar to break into
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the house and wouldn't he know a better way to get into the house and then also where is he coming up with these three
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guns M do we have any evidence that he has through guns there's a lot of questions here uh and we can get back
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into this right after this quick beer [Music] break [Music] [Music] all right we're back and I think they
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stopped cutting that tree down all right so we are hunting for James hilts the Fremont County Sheriff's Office
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announced that they were searching for James hilts stating deputies and additional law enforcement search teams
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were searching for James calling him a person of interest in the death of Candace hiltz deputies and other law
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enforcement Searchers were looking for James hilts in the area of deer mountain in Copper Gulch they described him as 5'
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10 in tall 155 lbs with blonde hair and blue eyes he was believed to be in possession of at least two Firearms he
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was of course considered to be armed and dangerous they had not filed any murder
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charges against James at this time however and a couple of officers off the Record stated that they did believe that
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James had murdered his sister well they found him on Friday just a couple days later and the well back up a little bit
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because I mean you know again what was there proof that he had guns well if if they're calling him a
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person of interest in this Murder She was obviously killed uh by way of gun um so they're assuming he has guns correct
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but I think you know what I'm getting at is that law enforcement obviously has the responsibility of protecting the
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public but also by saying that this individual that has guns that we have no evidence he has guns and he's mentally
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ill you might be setting him up for a situation where somebody runs into him and they don't catch him alive is what
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I'm saying and then if and if they don't catch him alive well then we can just pin this on him and move about our day
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well yeah and you're right they do have they certainly most certainly have that obligation we have this situation here
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where they're looking for the the older brother of a murder victim somebody that
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they were already looking for on unrelated charges days before her murder MH and now you have a situation where if
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you think he is a suspect and they they never call him to my knowledge they never call him a suspect just a person
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of interest um if you have a Person of Interest Who you believe may have committed this crime but at the same
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time you also believe that they have committed you know unrelated break-ins wow you have to find this guy
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very quickly because if this is something he's escalated to we have a whole bunch of people that are in a
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considerable amount of danger now well and I don't mean to throw law enforcement under the bus here because
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they might have more knowledge of his priors because I don't have any knowledge of his priors other than these
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you know AC accusations of him breaking and entering people's houses but no accusations or no um charges on violence
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you're exactly right he had several run-ins with the law all of them were nonviolent offenses all of them were
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pretty Petty crimes um but I'm just saying that law enforcement in a small town also might know of you know oh he
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got in a fist fight here or there they might know about some things that we aren't aware of his family when they
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were looking for him were they were saying you know from the get-go we don't we don't believe he did this for several
00:31:58
reasons but one of those being he had no previous History of Violence uh even toward the family you know sometimes
00:32:05
things happen within a family and it's not always reported to the authorities but they're saying he was not a violent
00:32:11
man but the problem is at the same time when you're telling me that your son is not a violent you're also telling me
00:32:18
that he might not even know who he is anymore um if if what you're telling me is the truth and and Dolores and family
00:32:27
you believe that to be the truth he doesn't believe you are his mother this guy is not what I would what I would
00:32:34
call delusional this is what I would call he's had some kind of break with reality uh he might be in his own isn't
00:32:42
that what a delusion is yes yeah probably is but but I I mean I don't think delusional is a big enough word
00:32:48
for what I think this kid is experiencing um I think he's had a break with reality I don't think he fully
00:32:55
knows what's going on or who the people around him may be um this could present a problem because if you have a person
00:33:04
who has become afraid for reasons we might not be able to comprehend he could become a dangerous person and now if
00:33:12
he's capable of breaking into other homes like I said we have a huge problem on our hand thankfully thankfully he is
00:33:20
located and they found him on that Friday in the rugged copper Gulch Iron Mountain Area this is south west of
00:33:27
Canon City just 3 days after the sheriff's deputies found Candace hiltz dead at her mother's home now after his
00:33:36
arrest I I want everybody to Let's listen carefully to the charges of okay if you weren't listening before start
00:33:43
listening now that's right everybody listen carefully okay James hiltz has been charged with first
00:33:52
and second degree burglary and criminal trespassing no all of these are considered felonies he is also being
00:34:00
charged with theft and criminal mischief authorities say that he broke into a home and stole hatchets and flashlights
00:34:08
Sheriff Jeff Beaker said searches have been conducted at the hilts home and people are being interviewed in
00:34:15
connection of the homicide James hiltz was scheduled to appear in the Fremont County court on August 31st he remained
00:34:23
at the Fremont County Jail on $500,000 BM until that time well okay let me just wrap my head around all this mess right
00:34:33
M so he's charged with all these felonies mhm right and what did he steal flashlights and hatchets yes that's
00:34:41
what's reported and we could assume that he's stealing these items for survival correct flashlights hatchets and uh we
00:34:51
know that he's mentally ill and we place a bond on him for 500,000 half a on a mentally ill person and I
00:35:01
understand that maybe he's a person of interest in a murder mhm but this is no justice at all this is a mentally ill
00:35:09
individual and you're charging him with these crimes where he was not attacking anybody he was not violent towards
00:35:17
anybody mhm and he was stealing stuff surviv you know trying to survive while he's going through this delusional state
00:35:26
or possible mental break like you called it mhm where's the Justice there well Captain I'm afraid am I have to disagree
00:35:34
with you if if you're saying what I think you're saying um I I I sympathize with what you're saying and I sympathize
00:35:41
with his condition as a as a citizen you know if I were living in the area or if
00:35:47
he were in my area and this went down here's the way I got to look at it he's arrested he's picked up on a Friday uh
00:35:54
they he probably didn't get any type of court hearing until the following Monday
00:35:59
uh so that Bond I'm guessing of 500,000 is set just 6 days after the murder of his sister now I understand that these
00:36:09
are lower level crimes that he's being held on however I do want to remind you some of those are considered to be
00:36:15
felonies and one thing that would be presented to the judge at the time is he is involved in a homicide
00:36:22
investigation uh we are talking to him about this we're talking to his family about this seeking information MH um and
00:36:31
furthermore um he could be a Flight Risk and what I mean by that is oh defin no I'm not look I'm not arguing with the
00:36:39
idea you know look the set a bail I get it but what I'm saying is the the initial charges are kind of ridiculous
00:36:48
anyways I understand that he committed that crime I'm I understand that he might possibly admit to that crime but I
00:36:55
think there needs to be a better system system in place to you know you're going
00:36:59
to take a mentally uh unstable individual and then put them in the system for breaking and entering so they
00:37:07
could survive mhm in a delusional State I mean that's what I have it more of an issue with and the reason why I say he's
00:37:14
a Flight Risk is he's living in the woods he's he's some kind of survivalist right he's been on they caught him in
00:37:21
Flight right um you know and when they did catch him I do want to say that uh they caught him he surrendered without
00:37:28
incident you know he didn't attack any of the people that were arresting him he didn't have any guns on him at the time
00:37:35
of course he didn't he he he had some kind of knife the newspapers reference a knife I don't know that that means that
00:37:42
he was a violent person I think no that means you're living in the woods if I were living in the woods I would do full
00:37:48
like Davey Crockett mode and I would have I would have knives and the [ __ ] skin cap and everything else going on
00:37:54
okay um actually actually you know what Captain I think I'm going to do you just
00:37:59
like dressing up I'm getting a lot of a lot of phone calls to my to my cell phone lately that that I don't want I'm
00:38:06
thinking about using this story here to update my voicemail greeting saying I'm sorry missed your call I'm now living in
00:38:13
the woods like Davey Crockett that's right so here's the thing I I think I think
00:38:20
it's reasonable the $500,000 Bond just because this is where my heads at no no that's fine but what I'm saying is you
00:38:27
know once the bond is done and stuff you're possibly putting somebody into a system that they're not going to be able
00:38:34
to get out of not going to be able to get uh adequate care for with their mental illness I I think they're look I
00:38:42
think we we have the justice system and I think we have to have an another system in place when it when we're
00:38:48
dealing with the mentally ill and I agree with that but I I agree with the $500,000 Bond because my opinion is
00:38:55
let's set this this thing a little high so we can hold him for a certain amount of time until we get this straightened
00:39:01
out maybe he's not our guy but I'm with you maybe maybe sitting in a jail cell or sitting in a jail amongst other
00:39:09
people waiting for trial is not the best location for this young man to be housed
00:39:15
while we're waiting to get to the bottom of this so anyway James was charged with
00:39:19
unrelated burglary charges uh he was never charged with the homicide uh we have to do some fast forward ing here
00:39:27
but eventually James was found not guilty on the burglary charges but this was by reason of insanity uh he was
00:39:35
eventually committed to the Colorado Mental Health Institute in 2008 okay so I go on this whole rant and they
00:39:44
basically did the right thing yeah I think he ended up in the right place but I'm with you maybe jail especially with
00:39:50
his Affliction well they probably put him in a Cell by himself I hope so yeah but the the problem there is you know he
00:39:57
wasn't under any treatment so at least they said look we're going to drop these charges we know he's mentally ill let's
00:40:03
put him in a hospital and let's get him the treatment that he needs or try to get him the treatment that he needs mhm
00:40:09
and I did mention that they had no he had no firearms in his possession when he was arrested of course it was
00:40:14
suspected that he could have had one or two with him presumably guns that he would have used to uh in his sister's
00:40:21
murder I would like to know if they did the test to see if he fired a gun that's
00:40:26
good question and because we could assume that he's not taking showers well we have you know we have some listeners
00:40:32
that are involved in forensics and things like that I would love to hear and see on the blog if anybody could
00:40:38
clear this up because he was he wasn't captured until 3 days after her after her murder is this enough time I don't
00:40:46
know I don't know the uh the ins and outs of this whole situation but I imagine it washes off at some point yeah
00:40:53
I heard it's anywhere between like 24 and 48 hours okay but again I would wonder you know how how much does it
00:41:00
stay on the body depending on how much you wash you know if you fire a gun can you can you wash yourself uh two or
00:41:09
three times and get rid of this residue mhm um we'll get back to James situation
00:41:15
as far as whether he makes a good suspect or not because I think there's a lot to talk about there um after the
00:41:22
arrest of of James the remaining members of the HS family was now allowed back in
00:41:28
their home uh but when Dolores hiltz returned home she was shocked when she did Dolores has maintained for years
00:41:36
that the investigators botch this investigation Dolores hiltz has discussed with media how the
00:41:43
investigators did not take all the evidence with them uh that bullet casings were left behind as well as the
00:41:49
blanket her daughter was wrapped in she said that they left evidence in there for 3 Days adding that the Sheriff's
00:41:57
Office investigators didn't even tape off the house so so Captain they didn't they could have had anybody could have
00:42:04
got in there they didn't secure the home um they left evidence uncollected and they left a door wide open when that
00:42:13
right but now is there evidence of this or is this just she said he said stuff um I mean there is evidence of
00:42:20
this because she's collecting the evidence and then and then sending it back to them MH so that would be the
00:42:25
evidence of it okay yeah so here here's my thought on the door being left wide open okay I don't think this was like a
00:42:32
oh some you know born in a barn situation forgot to close the door I think this was probably the door that
00:42:38
whomever accessed to enter the home to break into the home it was probably busted up enough that it couldn't be
00:42:45
just closed and locked simply closed and locked but they could have boarded it up
00:42:50
in some fashion so that people couldn't enter the home while there's nobody there while they've told the family to
00:42:56
to vacate right but in law enforcement's defense I mean it could have been one of
00:43:00
those things where oh I pulled it shut and it seemed like it was going to stay shut mhm um but then wind open up the
00:43:08
door so it could be that case I mean my front door is the same way like if you go outside and you shut the door behind
00:43:15
you if you don't lock it it has a possibility of blowing open just from the wind mhm uh Dolores hiltz went to
00:43:23
the Fremont County Sheriff's Office and asked to speak with the uh Chief uh or the deputies that were on the scene this
00:43:32
is Dodd and Brisco um she was told that all of them all three of them were too busy and she insisted on staying there
00:43:40
until someone talked to her she said finally a young officer came out and she told him about her concerns now her
00:43:48
concerns are she's gone home the place was unsecured and there's evidence still there that's what she's trying to report
00:43:55
to them in person and she's she's getting nowhere with this she tells the young officer her concerns and nothing
00:44:04
happens so when no one called or no one came out to the house well Dolores hiltz
00:44:09
and her son this is her son Jonathan they went to a store to buy plastic bags and bagged up bullet casings themselves
00:44:18
to eventually take them to the officers she said in those 3 days the investigators that were there searching
00:44:26
the home they only took about 15 things uh in two envelopes and a they took a piece of paneling and a piece of carpet
00:44:35
and she said that's it now Jonathan hiltz this is her other son had taken forensic crime classes so the two of
00:44:43
them they put on protective booties and and gloves and they methodically photographed and bagged all of the
00:44:50
evidence that was left and placed it in a plastic container uh with an Evidence log that they they you know so they
00:44:58
whatever they didn't take yeah you know here's what they didn't take there was a
00:45:02
white computer speaker with blood on it that had been used to prop up the bed this was the bed she was found
00:45:08
underneath the uh the blanket that Candace was found in where her body was found uh was still at the home there was
00:45:16
a shotgun casing in the baby's cradle uh all the evidence they found as I said was tagged and bagged and it was put in
00:45:24
a container mhm later Brisco showed up with a search warrant and asked where the container of
00:45:31
evidence was and Dolores gave it to him okay now the Dolores has a very good quote uh when asked about this by the
00:45:40
media she said I'm I'm thinking seasoned cops don't leave evidence and these are
00:45:46
not rookie officers um that statement's very true right so but what is she implying by that what
00:45:55
she's implying is that it it looks like her and her son were able to find more evidence than what the the police left
00:46:04
with yeah no no I think that but I think there's maybe they left this on purpose
00:46:11
right right right I'm sorry that's that's exactly what I believe she's trying to tell all of us is that she
00:46:17
would have expected some you know some do good boy scout cop to maybe show up and not know what he's doing and
00:46:24
Overlook some of these things to do good boy scout always be prepared he would have collected the evidence that's right
00:46:31
sorry about that I apologize throw the whole uh wee blow Scouts under the bus I'm a rude person yeah you feed me into
00:46:39
the wood chipper you yeah I already lost the limb it's now your turn my friend uh
00:46:44
but I think I think you're right on your spot on there Captain she's she's pointing out these guys have been around
00:46:49
the block too long they've been on the job too long uh it almost seems like they weren't willing to take this stuff
00:46:55
with them for whatever reason who knows right so that kind of goes with the whole conspiracy theory about this case
00:47:03
though is that you're if you're looking for this individual that's breaking in and entering into houses and steing
00:47:09
these little you know flashlights and whatnot MH then uh this young girl kind of runs her mouth to this cop and then
00:47:16
the cop decides hey you know what I'm going to teach this young girl lesson and that lesson is then we're going to
00:47:22
murder you M for whatever reason and I think maybe that it wasn't just her running her mouth but did did what
00:47:29
Candace said to that officer did it strike a nerve now point this out so if she said okay well well I know that
00:47:37
you're taking money from drug dealers or I've seen this or I could prove this and
00:47:42
I have other eyewitnesses and then let's say there's more than one cop involved in this then that cop has to tell his
00:47:48
buddy cop and he tells another buddy cop and then they show up and they go okay we're going to get rid of her and guess
00:47:53
what we got an easy person to pin this on her crazy brother mhm and so when we get to the scene oh well there's this
00:48:00
evidence we don't really want to have that all collected because this this evidence is going to start pointing you
00:48:07
know you you can't hide certain facts just like you know there was three guns used in this murder mhm so how did that
00:48:17
happen if it was just one individual right you know it becomes a you know it doesn't make a lot of sense so you got
00:48:24
to connect the dots mhm and so by not collecting that evidence it goes more towards that conspiracy theory that
00:48:32
maybe the cops were involved well and one thing that is very telling so you bring up an interesting topic here
00:48:38
because one of the big reasons why Dolores will point out amongst other several other details why her son James
00:48:47
should not be a suspect right is that he he had no friends he had no people that
00:48:53
he interacted with he didn't run around around with anybody and like you said this this case well like I said earlier
00:49:01
this case is very strange because you have two almost completely different stories you have the the story of the
00:49:08
sheriff's department and you have the story of the hilts family the one place where they do match up is it seems to be
00:49:16
that the sheriff's department and the hilts family both can agree that two or more people committed this crime
00:49:24
committed this murder and the and verification of that is the sheriff's department asking Dolores who does your
00:49:32
son hang out with she's not you know it's not just where is your son it's who does your son hang out with because they
00:49:39
know early in the get-go this thing was committed by at least two people well Dolores on the other end will say that's
00:49:46
why he's not a good suspect because he had no friends he didn't hang out with anybody he was afraid he had a phobia of
00:49:52
being around other people of having relationships with people people it's that that is an interesting
00:50:00
point where they actually match up in their beliefs right well part of the police right you know what I mean so I I
00:50:08
think that's where it gets odd there and and yeah it is it two or three people I
00:50:14
don't know it certainly doesn't look like one um and here's one of the other things that Dolores would point out when
00:50:21
they're they're worried about her son James um remember the the house was broken into the hilts home was broken
00:50:28
into somebody used a breaker bar a pry bar crowbar whatever you want to call it to break into this door and then gets
00:50:36
into the home James hiltz when he did come in the house uh which apparently he did go back into the house on occasion
00:50:45
but this would only be when nobody was at the home right supplies there was a butter knife that was hidden underneath
00:50:54
a the front step step uh to the home and he would use this butter knife to pop open the front door yeah so he had no
00:51:02
reason to you know basically bust his way into that door yeah that doesn't exclude him though just because again if
00:51:10
he is in some manic state or some delusional State you know he might not even understand what he's breaking into
00:51:18
mhm so it wouldn't be like oh well I have no clue what's happening oh I remember there's a butter knife here he
00:51:24
could be so far gone that you know he thinks he's breaking into a you know a castle or something and that's exactly
00:51:31
right those are the questions that come into my mind and these are reasons why I
00:51:36
cannot exclude James as a good suspect I I think he's I think he's right up there
00:51:42
I think he's right up there there's there's questionable things going on in this family there's questionable things
00:51:47
going on in this household and I don't know that any of us have a clue what's going on with James um here's here's the
00:51:55
question I I I want to talk about okay we already talk about that he he may not have had to have Breo breaken into the
00:52:01
home MH now he he he's already went into other people's homes and he's stolen some items now we said that the dog
00:52:09
appeared to have been killed with an axe or a hatchet well one of the items or believed that he had stolen from these
00:52:16
other homes was in fact a hatchet it's actually in one report states that he had stolen more than one Hatchet um so
00:52:24
he has the means uh to do this uh regarding the dog yeah um and it's a it's a very strange thing to do for for
00:52:33
anyone to do an act like that but horrible act horrible act if he did in fact have a hatchet was he stealing it
00:52:40
for more than one reason um or you know it it to me it looks like he had the means to kill the dog the problem well
00:52:49
the other problem too with the break-ins is you report that hatchet right mhm but what if you have a illegal
00:52:57
weapon normally when somebody breaks into your house and then let's say you had a a shotgun that wasn't registered
00:53:04
to you mhm and somebody steals it you normally don't repeat you don't report that to the cops right so so that's the
00:53:12
other issue too then then you go okay well he has these hatchets well that kind of puts him in the more likely that
00:53:19
maybe he killed this dog scenario mhm and then well how did he get the guns well if he's breaking into houses
00:53:27
and stealing guns and I I'd wonder if any of those individuals would come forward and say well I actually did have
00:53:33
a shotgun or I did have a 22 and that yeah and that's why I questioned the statement that he did not have access to
00:53:40
Firearms it when you're busting into people's homes and taking things you have access to a lot of things that you
00:53:45
normally don't have access to uh the big question for me on those on those other
00:53:50
burglary charges I would love to know how he gained access access into those homes right because here's the thing it
00:54:00
we can say all day long that he would not have broken into his own home that he would not have busted open this door
00:54:06
and went in there we can't say that if that is exactly how he was gaining access into these other homes my
00:54:13
suspicion is that my suspicion Captain is that he was not breaking into these homes and the reason why I say that is
00:54:20
when I look at the charges he's charged with first and second degree burglary but charged with criminal trespassing
00:54:27
meaning that he was in an area that he shouldn't be for reasons that that were no good right and but you would expect
00:54:35
to see a breaking and entering charge with with James which we do not see so I'm wondering with this being a rural
00:54:43
area is this just a simple situation of people leaving their doors unlocked he knows nobody's home and he lives in the
00:54:52
woods he can creep up on your house whenever he feels like it check the doors and walk around your home and
00:54:58
collect items that he believes he needs for whatever Survival game he's playing in the woods yeah that's a very good
00:55:04
point and also too I mean look if anybody knows the credit card trick depending on where that your door
00:55:13
latches like you can take a credit card or or a butter knife or anything and just pop that door open and maybe that's
00:55:20
what he was doing and then you wouldn't know if the door was locked or unlocked anyways right so he obviously knows this
00:55:26
little trick um and also you know once this trick became more popular they started making sure that all the locks
00:55:33
kind of go one way um so but it's interesting it's it's definitely interesting and so if they're not
00:55:40
reporting that he broke in then again what else did he take that they're not reporting the other thing too is when
00:55:46
when he's picked up when they find him there's no report of them saying Oh we found a bloody hatchet with the guy
00:55:54
right you know um there was not what I would call any damning evidence against him other than he's misunderstood we we
00:56:02
don't really know what kind of Lifestyle he's living or what state of mind he is
00:56:07
in at the time of that his sister is killed yeah and I would say that with his mental state he has to be a suspect
00:56:14
the one thing I can't get over is then how did this individual have three guns and then when they decided to you know
00:56:21
Murder their sister they decided to use three different guns on this on this individual and there is some speculation
00:56:29
that some of the gunshot wounds happen at the same time yes there is speculation of that um it is it would be
00:56:37
possible for one person to use two or three guns on the same victim the reason why Captain I can't rule him out I is I
00:56:47
got to paint a picture for you okay we have we have a man um that that is in need of some help in need of have some
00:56:55
support he's living in the woods we do not know what's going through his mind if if I try to put myself in his
00:57:04
situation we know that he doesn't believe that his mother is his mother can you imagine where you're waking up
00:57:11
every day in the woods you're sleeping in the dark Forest every night and you're waking up every day going you
00:57:17
know what there's this house that's not too far from here and it's full of these
00:57:21
people that I've never met that I don't know who they are and they keep telling me that they're my family that this is
00:57:27
my mother my sister my brothers um it it's it's a it's I could see somebody panicking and doing
00:57:35
something very strange in that situation it's almost it's almost like being you know he's had a breakup with reality and
00:57:43
he's thrown into a world that he cannot understand right therefore I don't know that we can understand or put limits on
00:57:50
what we think he is capable of or what he's not capable of right so you're you're basically stating that your
00:57:57
opinion is that the family's like he's not a violent individual so therefore he couldn't have done this mhm you know
00:58:05
close case on him let's throw a little other Theory out there no I'm saying I believe in this but just go with me on
00:58:13
this right okay so this person that is not capable this person that is not violent has a mental break with reality
00:58:21
and you normally would see certain types of breaks of reality with the same individual right like somebody that
00:58:27
you're caring for somebody that is in your family that has mental illness right they have a normal set the the way
00:58:36
they break with that reality is normally the same but what if this time was different right mhm and then the family
00:58:43
comes we got an hour window from the time that they supposedly see the body mhm and call the
00:58:52
cops mhm what takes place in that hour and then on top of that remember how all this evidence that
00:59:00
the police didn't collect mhm that they then collected and then then gave to was
00:59:06
this created even after they left H you see what I'm saying right like it starts
00:59:12
creating some answers for some of these things that these questions arise and so
00:59:17
your thought would be okay what if you knew that he murdered her and then now you're you have two options your your
00:59:26
daughter's already dead mhm and and what is going to happen to him what is going
00:59:31
to happen to your mentally ill son and what's an easy way to cover this up if she is shot by multiple guns then
00:59:40
they're going to assume that she was killed by multiple people and guess what he doesn't have multiple people in his
00:59:46
life or multiple friends mhm so look it's not a theory I believe in I'm just saying it does answer some of the weird
00:59:53
questions that we do do have yeah I thought I was steering the ship in a in a unpopular Direction by saying I would
01:00:00
still consider him a suspect and man you drove it right into the right into the iceberg there saying this is not this is
01:00:08
not what I this is not what I believe saying not only could he be still a suspect but possibility of the family
01:00:13
covering his tracks for him very interesting stuff and there's a lot more there's a lot more strange twists and
01:00:20
turns and icebergs along the way in this case yeah and let's just be clear that's
01:00:24
is not what I think I'm just putting out the possibilities and I think when you're trying to get to the answers
01:00:31
right you're trying to funnel everything down to get to the answers you have to look at every possible thing and where
01:00:37
does the evidence point you know you so I I I think that's that's all I'm doing and I think people should exercise that
01:00:47
right and exercise themselves in doing that more often with these cases you know to funnel into the truth no you're
01:00:54
you're exactly right because this is a case that requires everyone to put on their thinking cap and you need a really
01:01:00
big tall thinking cap for this this case because there's so many possibilities and so many just weird stuff um it's
01:01:09
going to get pretty he I can't really explain it any more than weird stuff so for more weird stuff we'll be back in
01:01:17
the garage tomorrow and hopefully there's no wood chipper [Music] all right thank you guys so much for
01:01:33
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