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GameChanger [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] as true crime enthusiasts know often
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serial offenders carry a moniker or nickname who could forget such terrifying titles like the nightstalker
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and the Green River Killer there was the Hillside Strangler and the servant girl
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Annihilator these names were bestowed upon these killers by the press and even the law enforcement agencies that
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investigated their crimes in some cases the killer simply cannot wait long enough for the press or
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law enforcement to come up with a clever or even not so clever name so some killers provide the press
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and law enforcement with a name to call them until they are discovered outed and
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pulled into the light from the Dark Shadows where they hide Jack the Ripper Pinn letters to the
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police authentic or otherwise giving himself what he called the trade name when he signed the famous dear boss
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letter Yours Truly Jack the Ripper David burwitz wrote to NYPD captain Joseph burelli telling him I am
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deeply hurt by you calling me a woman hater I am not but I am a monster I am the Son of
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Sam now in the garage we examine another Infamous serial killer one that provided
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the Press with his title when he told the San Francisco Examiner dear editor this is the Zodiac
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speaking the Zodiac was laying claim to three solved homicides in the San Francisco Bay area he would go on to
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kill again we have five confirmed murders in this series some say the number of those murdered by the Zodiac
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should be between 20 and 28 the Zodiac claims to have killed as many as 37 innocent victims still to
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this day the series of murders remains unsolved and the one who called himself the zodiac is yet to be identified
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this is true crime [Music] garage we're going to start off on a Friday in Vallejo California Vallejo is
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a waterfront city located in the San Francisco Bay area of the state of California this is where the Zodiac will
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find his first two victims or two of his earliest victims because as we will later see there is much debate on when
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and where the Zodiac started killing on the night of Friday December 20th 1968 16-year-old Betty Lou Jensen and
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17-year-old David Arthur Faraday were out together on what most have reported to be their first date some reports
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state that the two dated briefly before the following incident both were very good students in fact later it was said
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that the two really had very little time for Teenage romance as both were quite focused on their schooling and
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extracurricular activities David Faraday was a top student and a member of The Varsity wrestling team at Vallejo high
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school he was an eagle scout as well and the recipient of the god and Country award Betty Lu Jensen was a top student
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at Hogan High School the attack on the two teens on this Friday December 20th would leave both shot to death the early
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reports state that the two went to a high school Christmas concert at Betty L Jensen's High School just several blocks
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away from Betty L's home they were going to attend a party after and at some point the two went for a drive and were
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met with gunfire later reports would indicate that maybe the two teens misled their parents David Faraday borrowed his
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mother's 1961 Rambler station wagon and drove to Betty L Jensen's house where he
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picked her up the two left there about 8:30 p.m. instead of going to the concert the two went to a friend's house
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where they hung out for about a half an hour from there they went to Mr Ed's restaurant and Drive-In where they
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ordered a Coke and sat and chatted for a while after the stop at Mr Ed's restaurant and drivein the teens went
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for a drive and they ended up at Lake Herman Road which is an isolated country road known as a lovers lane they parked
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in the lovers lane area just off of the winding dirt road for reference this is about 10 mies away from Betty Lu
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Jensen's house and school the slain couple were found just before 11:30 p.m. that night by a passing motorist this is
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Mrs Manuel Borges who was in route to the nearby town of benia California benia is considerably smaller than the
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City of Vallejo and Lake Herman is basically between the two benia is east of Vallejo the vehicle
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was just outside the fence to the lake Herman pumping station Mrs Manuel bourges lived off of Lake Herman Road
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and as she is driving she couldn't help but notice the vehicle parked she saw the passenger door open David was lying
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on his back blood around him and his feet were toward the rear wheels of the vehicle some reports have Betty Lou's
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body found in as close as 10 ft from the rear of the vehicle others say as many as 30 ft away either way it was obvious
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to the detectives that Betty Lou was in the process of running away from the scene when she was gunned down there's
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an interview with the lead detective and in it he says Betty Lou was 28 ft from the back of the car so that's got to be
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right reports state that the girl had been shot five times in the upper right side of her back from a range of no more
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than 10 ft Mrs Borges was of course horrified at this discovery she jumped back in her car and sped away when she
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got to Bia she flagged down a police car she told them what she had found and the
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two Bia officers raced to the scene when they arrived they found David Faraday still breathing they called for police
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backup detectives and an ambulance Betty Lou was dead at the scene Faraday was rushed to the nearest hospital let's
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talk about what was found at the murder scene according to what was released at the time police will find the Rambler
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car hood still warm when they get to the scene the ignition was on and I'm guessing likely to run either the heater
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or the radio or both because the two were planning on sitting there for a while this is odd though the front
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passenger door was open the other three doors doors and the tailgate to the vehicle were all closed and locked so
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some have surmised that maybe the attacker was able to force both youths out the same door the front passenger
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door however I found a report that states that there were footprints that detectives say indicate that Faraday got
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out of the driver's door and walked to the passenger side and I have to wonder could these be the Killer's Footprints
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and not David Faraday's right did he walk up to the driver's door put the gun on Faraday and force the two out the
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passenger door and walk around to greet them on the other side David was shot in
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the head at close range the bullet traveled forward from behind his left ear detectives found four bullet casings
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near the vehicle the only thing they would say about the bullets at the time is that they came from a small caliber
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gun one report specifically says small caliber rifle one report says a 22 caliber which of course is a small
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caliber investigators said the girl had not been molested and that robbery was not the motive and even at close range
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something with such a small shell as like a 22 it's going to take more than one shot to kill most individuals it
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will however if you do any Research into Hitmen and things of that nature they often prefer to use a small caliber
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specific specifically a 22 because they're doing head shot right and I won't get into that too much but the
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bullet tends to bounce around inside quite a bit more than a larger caliber police even threw out some theories to
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the newspaper the day after and two days after the homicides and these theories include the following a deep heel print
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possibly from a boot was found in what they described as the brush grown area in the rear of a fencing this is running
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around the pump house right detectives say that the Brushy growth would be the only concealment offered to a sniper so
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that's interesting because of several reasons one this is to suggest the possibility that the killer was there
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before the couple even arrived in this theory he would be lying in weight in the brush hidden and then when the two
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Park he emerges from that Brushy growth area that they mentioned and takes control of the wouldbe victims well it
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makes a lot of sense because they would not see headlights they wouldn't have time to react if the perpetrator showed
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up in a vehicle they would have at least some warning that he was coming it's also interesting because I don't know
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exactly where this fencing and Brushy growth area is in relationship to the victim's vehicle and I say that this
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could be important because it could go against or for the next item cuz deputies said that there was a Bullet
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Hole in the rear window of the vehicle leading them to theorize that Faraday stopped the car and was fired on from
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behind again you'd have to think that the killer would have to know this area somewhat to even know that this Lovers
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Lane existed yes and the thing here too Captain what I'm trying to point out about this sniper hiding in the bushes
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scenario right from where the shots would have been fired at the two victims the killer had to have standing beside
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the vehicle so a stray shot hitting this rear window from that Vantage Point makes no sense it didn't just happen
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this was a shot that was likely intentionally fired into the back of the vehicle right meaning I think that the
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killer probably approached the two victims from the rear of the vehicle and then worked his way to the side where he
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eventually shot and killed both you have this secluded area again I think the killer would have to know the area it's
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almost like they'd have to know the area so well that maybe they fired the shot not intentionally to kill somebody
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initially into the back window but to get them to like scram flee the area in the vehicle or flee the vehicle to flee
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the vehicle so I lay and wait the car comes in they start talking I creep behind them I shoot the window and by
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shooting the window I have it's game on and now they're in full panic mode and that's what I'm interested in as far as
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the the kill the other theories are that the couple may have already been parked
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and someone pulled in nearby and startled the two or they were trailed and pulled over or trailed to the spot
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and then the killer returned to get them whatever happened Captain it happened relatively quickly and probably not too
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long before Mrs Borges found them because the car hood was was still warm and David Faraday was still alive we do
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know that we have possible bootprints and like you said are those the male victims Footprints or those The
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Killers Footprints but it doesn't seem like we have tire marks from some other vehicle that is true there's no mention
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of tire marks from another vehicle a faraday died on arrival at the hospital at 12:05 and this is very unfortunate not
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just because he passed he he's now a murder victim but for the investigation itself because police at the time
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thought okay we have this attack these on these two young teens the female victim did not survive we're rushing the
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male victim to the hospital hopefully we can save his life but also we want to talk to this guy so he can tell us and
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give us details about this attack so we can find the perpetrator because Faraday
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passed away this would not be possible for the detectives now the detectives were on the scene investigating by
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midnight that night the seleno County Sheriff's Office was the investigating agency now to fill out the timeline a
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little better the teens left Betty L Jensen's place at 8:30 they went to a friend's house for about 30 minutes okay
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so now 900 p.m. at the earliest they leave and go get a coke at EDS from there they go driving again about a 10m
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distance out to where the vehicle would later be found several witnesses spotted
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the vehicle at the park location off of Herman Lake Road this is at 10:15 10:35 and again at 11:00 p.m. this is based
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off of witness statements that David Faraday must have turned the vehicle around at some point after it was
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initially parked at that spot which again makes you wonder and question the shot to the rear of the vehicle another
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witness said that they stopped their vehicle on the side of the road that night this would be near the murder
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scene right these two witnesses were young and they were on a date as well they said that they stopped the vehicle
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to their vehicle to check something on the vehicle and while stopped they said that another vehicle slowed down and the
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driver was just kind of looking at them and then he went past the vehicle then stopped and then backed up toward them
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and this spooked the couple so they got into their vehicle and drove off they said that the vehicle Then followed them
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for several minutes but eventually they lost this car well first of all I mean I
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think we both we disagree on a lot of things but what we can probably agree on is this couple that possibly saw the
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killer that night they didn't stop their car to check on a part they're out at a Lover's Lane they're
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probably out there to talk flirt a little necking and then they see this creep come upon them and he stares them
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down and like you said backs the vehicle up starts to Spook him but I think I think that was the play you know stop
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the car back it up stop it again act a little creepy to get them to start moving and then you can follow to see
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where they went yes this is under the idea that maybe the Zodiac was just out there driving around trolling looking
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for potential victims now they state that the vehicle the suspicious vehicle they
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described it as a blue Plymouth Valiant and they said that this incident took place around 9:30 p.m. another witness
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said that they saw a white four-door Chevy Impala parked near David Faraday's car keep in mind Faraday is driving his
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mother's Rambler it's a station wagon so Faraday's car will be a little more noticeable than the other standard
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two-door sedans or four-door standard sedans out there driving around do you know if it's if it was a woody i' I've
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looked up the vehicle I I can't recall no woody on Lovers Lane there are pictures of Faraday's vehicle online it
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was later reported that 10 shell casings were found so let's examine this number
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a bit I guess that number is fairly easy to get to when you really think about it
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because Betty Lou is stated to have been shot five times David is shot at least once so now we're at six casings right
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and there was that shot that hit the back of the vehicle so now we're at seven later the Zodiac himself would say
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10 shots were fired at the scene John Douglas said that not only were bullet casings found near the vehicle but also
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on the floorboards of the vehicle M so if this is correct then this would indicate to me that the gun was fired
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inside the car at some point or at least close enough to an open door or window that the casings fell inside the vehicle
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we did have some early suspects in this case that were looked at one there was a
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teen boy that was said to have had a thing for Betty Lou and I don't know if the two had any type of relationship or
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if they ever dated but it seems that this teen went so far as to threaten David Faraday at some point this teen
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was looked at and cleared the other suspect would be an unknown individual the Jensen family
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thought that maybe there was either a Peeping Tom or someone spying on the family or Betty Lou in
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particular around the time of her murder right 7 months later the timeline of the next
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event in our murder series timeline again will start on a Friday and again will take place in and around Vallejo
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California this time it's Friday July 4th Independence Day 1969 22-year-old Darlene Elizabeth faren
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was a popular and sociable young woman she was well educated a mother of one child a daughter named Dena
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Darlene was married to her second husband Dean and the three lived on Monteray Street both Dean and Darlene
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had a lot of friends now Captain out of all of the zodiac victims well at least the confirmed five murders and two
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attempted murders I would put Darlene at the top of the list when it comes to the
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highest probability that the Killer and victim knew one another this would be because of Darlene and Dean's sociable
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Lifestyles and employment they knew a lot of people they had a lot of friends right and they had a lot of people over
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to their house very often so it could have been a friend of a friend hosting and attending parties both small and
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large now Darlene worked at a place called Terry's restaurant and one thing that is very curious Darlene faren told
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a coworker that she knew the two victims David and Betty Lou Jensen or at least knew of them well that makes some sense
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because Darlene attended Hogan high school years earlier this is the same high school as Betty Lu Jensen that
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night Dean and Darlene were going to have friends over Dean was at work he was a cook at Caesar's restaurant
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Darlene had a babysitter she stopped by Dean's work to tell him that she and her
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younger sister were off to watch the parade boats there Dean asked if Darlene would pick up some fireworks on her way
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home he and some friends wanted to set them off that night for the holiday right Darlene and her sister then went
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to Darlene's work again Terry's restaurant this is to tell some co-workers that her and Dean were
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hosting a party and they should come by after their shifts the two went off to the boat parade and after they again
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went to Dean's work by now it's getting late but of course work shifts run late at restaurants on Friday nights Darlene
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then went back to her work very briefly and then went home before letting the babysitter go for the night she went out
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again first she took her little sister home and dropped her off right and then she went and picked up her friend this
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is 19-year-old Mike maou it sounds like Mike was expecting Darlene at some point
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that night but regardless Mike seemed to leave his house in a hurry leaving without turning off the TV and the
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lights the two were going to go purchase fireworks for the party later that part
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is for sure yeah but whether or not they plan on parking somewhere or not is Up For Debate Darlene was driving her Chevy
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Corvair some sources say early in the drive a car seemed to be following them right the car was light in color the
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original idea was the two wanted to go get something to eat but at some point it changed to the two were going to look
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for a quiet place to talk a neck Mike says that this is why they were heading to the the park right Mike says they
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turned around at Mr Ed's restaurant and Drive-In so they could change Directions
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They Drove briefly and then they pulled into Blue Rock Springs Park this was known as a good place to park now if
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there was in fact a car following them in this version of the night's events the car that was following them then
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pulled into the lot as well and then sped off the report is either the same vehicle or one very close to the same
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description later returned and pulled in behind them right the vehicles lights shining on Darlene's car then not
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knowing what was going on Mike was shot and the shooter just kept firing on him and Darlene Darlene was shot a total of
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nine times the shooter then walked back to his vehicle and Mike says he got a good look at the guy he described the as
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salent as a white guy late 20s 26 to 30 years old with short curly light brown hair stocky about 5' 8 in tall and about
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195 to 200 lb possibly more the man was wearing a blue windbreaker and pleaded pants
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unfortunately Mike is in a terrible amount of pain and made some noise some Reports say that he cried out yeah and
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this could have tipped off to the killer that they were still alive the shooter walked back back to Darlene's vehicle
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and shot both Darlene and Mike two more times after the shooter left Mike opened
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the car's passenger door and fell out of the car lying on the ground the couple was found shortly after midnight by
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three young people who called the police police received a call about the shooting at 10: after midnight and
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quickly officers and a detective arrived on the scene the police report says police arrived at 12:38 a.m.
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there they found Darlene barely alive slumped over the steering wheel and Mike in really bad shape lying outside of the
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car yeah I think with the Zodiac what's was always missing in in my brain is why
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but as you're pointing out we have a couple that does not become a victim but possibly sees the Zodiac and the
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Zodiac's kind of toying with them maybe testing the waters a little bit and then
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here if these reports are correct he pulls up next to a car that like we said they're sitting there talking maybe
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making out and this guy pulls up seeming to be a solo driver what are you some perv that's going to watch and then he
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backs away and then comes back and Parks right behind them it's almost like he wants to induce some kind of panic he
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wants to induce the reaction first and then it's game on and so do you think in your humble goat opinion is is this cuz
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he wants to see them in fear or or or what well one thing we will learn about this killer is that he enjoys watching
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the reactions of the masses so why wouldn't he enjoy seeing the terrified reaction of those that he is hunting or
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attacking yeah the question I have about the two younger people that say that they saw a suspicious vehicle and
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provided a description of such I wanted to find a description of the vehicle they were driving again that goes back
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to the idea of David Faraday's vehicle the Rambler is a station wagon would look considerably different than most of
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the other vehicles just out on the street that night right if they were driving a station wagon as well well
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that tells me a different story that maybe the zodia was actually targeting Faraday's car or
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the the two people in the vehicle so that was one thing that I looked for and again yes why will be a huge question
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when it comes to the Zodiac because for the five murdered victims it's very very likely that he
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did not know any of them of course we see that often with these serial killers but this is a unique situation unlike
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any of the others that we've talked about so far now again we have at the second murder scene we have the police
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on scene at 12:38 a.m. at that time the buses were in route that's cops speak for ambulance on the way right the cops
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pulled Darlene from the vehicle remember she slumped over the steering wheel the
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cops all believed that she was trying to tell them something and specifically they said that she was either saying I
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or me or something of that nature but they could couldn't make it out and they never really got any words from her but
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this is something where I go back to the idea of because of her lifestyle and her
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husband's lifestyle and where they worked I put her probability of victim and killer knowing each other
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significantly higher than a lot of the other victims and you have to wonder when they're pulling her from the
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vehicle did she believe she knew who attacked them and was trying to tell the officers that when they were trying to
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers mates cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain
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cheers to all of the people out there in listener land and all the people on the
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back we have victims Michael maou and Darlene faren they were rushed to Kaiser Hospital Darlene was DOA and Mike was
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rushed into surgery and two days later reported to be in quote satisfactory condition
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Mike Mao survived the attack despite being shot in the face neck and chest the newspapers at the time reported that
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each victim was shot three times so it looks like this would be one piece of holdback
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information the number of shots fired because we already said Darlene we would later learn was shot a total of nine
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times do you think that the Killer is leaving them on the brink of life or do you think they just don't know well I
00:32:27
think that the killer was successful in his first attack killing both of the victims at the scene and I think that he
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absolutely thought that he was successful again at the second attack having killed both victims and we now
00:32:43
know that Mike Mao survived and we'll get into that why there's evidence that the killer believed that both were dead
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back to the number of shots we know that Darlene was shot nine times and it does
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look like Mike was likely shot three times the newspaper said 7 9mm cartridges were found near the car the
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car's windows were open the ignition was on and the car was in gear it appears that the vehicle stalled out the radio
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was on now because Mike survived he was able to tell the police quite a bit about the incident right Pur John
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Douglas the gun used was thought to be a Browning high power semi-auto aut atic handgun police put this together because
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of Mike's description of the attack and that the shooter did not seem to stop to
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reload the gun at any point so this compared with the 9mm casings and the total number of shots of course known to
00:33:43
police at the time indicated what type of gun was used this is because similar guns you would have to stop and reload
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to get off that number of shots yeah hold on I'm reloading I I'm not saying that they're incorrect they very likely
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are correct but one thing I want to point out is in Mike's description of the events the killer shot both he and
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Darlene and then returned to his vehicle right and at which time Mike cried out and Mike it's very interesting because
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Mike says he does not know why he he cried out if if he was reacting to something or if he was just in a
00:34:25
terrible amount of pain right but then the killer returns shoots Darlene twice and then shoots Mike twice
00:34:33
almost to make sure like okay I'm going to make sure both of them are dead or if
00:34:37
I didn't finish one or both of them off I now have I question if there was an opportunity when the killer went back to
00:34:45
their vehicle if in fact the killer went back to the vehicle for the purpose of reloading do cockroaches want to play
00:34:53
keep in mind Mike's been shot he's in a good deal of pain there are some things some details of
00:34:59
that event that he could be misremembering well it's possible he's also going in and out of Consciousness
00:35:06
well and we also know that Mike Mao would tell more than one version of the story to police when they were
00:35:14
investigating this homicide yeah but I I also think some of that is that you're trying so hard to
00:35:22
remember uh and and and the more they question you or more look you're probably not just getting
00:35:28
questioned by police you're being questioned by your friends also hey what do you remember man and then how many
00:35:34
people told him man if you could just remember something more maybe we could catch the guy that'd be very frustrating
00:35:41
the location of the murder scene is only about 2 miles away from the lake Herman
00:35:46
Road murders so given the short time frame of just 7 months and two miles apart and the similarities to the crimes
00:35:54
it would not have taken long for the police to suspect that the two were connected but they would not have to
00:36:01
figure this out for themselves because at 12:40 a.m. a man phoned the Vallejo Police Department to report and claim
00:36:09
responsibility for the attack the killer also took credit for the murders of Jensen and Faraday 6 and A2 months
00:36:17
earlier here are the details of that call valo police dispatcher 26-year-old Nancy Slover took the call Nancy Slover
00:36:26
described the male caller's voice and tone as though he was mocking and taunting her for shock value and if in
00:36:34
fact he was she said it worked the caller spoke the following words in a monotone rehearsed fashion I want to
00:36:43
report a double murder if you will go one mile East on Columbus Parkway to the public park you will find the kids in a
00:36:51
brown car right they were shot with a 9mm Luger I also killed those kids last year
00:36:59
goodbye yeah now a couple things I mean first of all he he calls them kids so I'm not saying that we should assume but
00:37:06
you can start off by going well he's probably older than the victims he's definitely older in my opinion and by
00:37:14
this time of course he's read all of the details about his first crimes about the
00:37:19
first two murders and he knows whether he knew Faraday and Jensen before shooting them he
00:37:27
definitely knew who they were after he killed them because their names and ages where they went to school their parents'
00:37:33
names and addresses were all found in the local papers for those of you who have seen the David Fincher film
00:37:41
zodiac that is the creepy phone call at the six-minute mark of the movie yeah where the killer reports a double murder
00:37:50
that's again why I think he thought he finished them both off his words before anything gets on the news or anything
00:37:57
gets in the paper for him to learn that someone survived he's calling and not reporting a murder he's or an attack
00:38:05
he's reporting specifically a double murder right but back to the movie The Zodiac if anybody has not seen the movie
00:38:15
Zodiac it's one of the best True Crime dramas it's incredibly good and it was considered to be a box office failure
00:38:24
which does not make a whole lot of sense to me I love the movie I've seen it half
00:38:29
a dozen times anyway this phone call from the Zodiac we need to point out this was not this call was not recorded
00:38:38
repeat not a recorded call it's been widely reported that the call was recorded but listen to the goat it was
00:38:46
not and we know this simply because the police dispatcher says they did not have
00:38:50
the equipment at their disposal to record incoming calls at that time so it's not not that they didn't record
00:38:58
they failed to record just this call they just didn't record any of them because they didn't have the capability
00:39:03
so that is very important for several reasons the first being that Nancy the dispatcher would have to recall the
00:39:11
caller's message after the caller hung up so it's not verbatim which I believe to be important as some have pointed out
00:39:20
the directions provided by the Zodiac were actually incorrect this would likely mean that the zodiac did not know
00:39:27
the area well right however you have to keep in mind that the killer caller would not want to give directions from
00:39:38
the pay phone where he's calling from duh he's going to give them directions from the police department to get the
00:39:46
police to where the kids are located do you understand what I'm saying yeah I've I've spoke English my
00:39:52
whole life okay two things that I believe are fully correct with nany's report of what the caller said are
00:40:00
double murder meaning zodiac intended to and had every reason to believe that he
00:40:05
successfully carried out his mission of killing both victims and I say that I believe that she's recalling this
00:40:11
correctly because she says that she was shocked by his tone number one but she's
00:40:17
going to be shocked by his words as well double murder double murder is something
00:40:23
that you do not forget when you receive a very short quick phone call want a burger get a burger want a free fry get
00:40:31
a free fry one he seems very uh smug yes the other part the second part which I believe to be 100% correct and I find
00:40:42
this to be super interesting at least to me the fact that the Zodiac says to her
00:40:48
if you go one mile East on Columbus Parkway to the public park you will find the kids in a brown car regardless if
00:40:55
people believe that the directions are correct or incorrect again I made an argument that you wouldn't give
00:41:00
directions from your location that you're calling from you would give directions from the police department to
00:41:07
where the kids are but let's scrap that entirely right why the hell is the Zodiac giving directions to what he
00:41:16
calls the public park why wouldn't he just name the park right if you you find the kids at so and so park in a brown
00:41:26
yeah if he knew the area he'd know the name of the park if he doesn't know the name of the area it's just a some park
00:41:33
right he says public park and offers directions to the public park well we have already said it once Blue Rock
00:41:39
Springs Park the park has a name Blue Rock Springs Park he wants them to find the kids we know that he why else call
00:41:48
the police unless you want them to find them so he wants them to find the kids and he wants it to be known that he did
00:41:56
did both of these shootings the double homicide the year before at Christmas and this one on this night right so if
00:42:04
he knew the name of the park why wouldn't he just say the name of the park to make sure that the police got to
00:42:11
the right place and again if you say the name of the park you don't need to give
00:42:15
any directions at all the call should have been I want to report a double murder you will find the kids in a brown
00:42:21
car at Blue Rock Springs Park they were shot with a 9mm Luger I also killed those kids last year
00:42:29
goodbye goodbye also the location of the phone call is strange police traced the call
00:42:36
to a phone booth at a gas station at Springs Road in tuom this is located about 3/10 of a mile from Darlene fen's
00:42:45
home and only a few blocks from the Vallejo Police Department I don't think this location is weird because of the
00:42:52
distance to the victim's home or the police station right it's weird because of the distance from Blue Rock Springs
00:43:00
Park the public park where he shot them and it seems he may not have known the name of the park so based off of
00:43:08
eyewitnesses and ear Witnesses for that fact the latest that Darlene and Mike could have been shot would have been
00:43:16
maybe 1210 a.m. most believe that it was more likely between 12:02 and 12:04 a.m.
00:43:23
uhhuh why is this important well we know the call from the killer came in at 12:40 a.m. so depending on how you shake
00:43:32
it out there is approximately 30 to 38 minutes after the attack before the phone call the fastest
00:43:43
routes from the murder scene to the phone booth is 7 and 1/2 minutes 9 minutes and 11 minutes three different
00:43:50
routes the three fastest routes so what took him so long to get from murder scene to the phone booth where he called
00:43:58
it in so you're saying there's about 20 to 30 minutes of missing time but that doesn't mean he necessarily was
00:44:05
traveling he could have already got to the phone booth and decided Well I don't know what to say yet what am I going to
00:44:13
say I'm going to I I have to prepare this even though his conversation was pretty simple is pretty direct is pretty
00:44:23
kind of demeaning uh smug like I said before but maybe he just sat there well my first
00:44:30
thought was maybe he just hung out around the murder scene to watch what was going on we already speculated that
00:44:39
maybe this killer enjoys seeing the reaction of his actions so maybe he hung out there until he started hearing the
00:44:47
police sirens and then took off and then made the call but the problem with that
00:44:53
is this drive the fastest route would be set 7 to maybe 11 minutes distance the cops were on the scene at 1238 the call
00:45:02
came in at 12:40 so the sirens aren't what scared him from the scene he very likely left shortly after shooting the
00:45:11
victims and we have this based off of eyewitness and ear witness statements so if he left immediately afterward why do
00:45:22
we have that that difference in time and it could be something is silly is he just drove around for a while or didn't
00:45:29
know what pay phone he wanted to use there's also the chance that he's not from the area and that's why he doesn't
00:45:35
know the name of the park and he also doesn't know where a phone booth is right to make this call he went and had
00:45:41
to go looking for a phone booth one piece of speculation that I thought was very interesting was somebody pointed
00:45:49
out the high probability that the killer would have got victim's blood on their clothing or person and that this phone
00:45:58
booth is in a highly residential area meaning if the killer didn't want anybody living witnesses to see his
00:46:08
vehicle right maybe it's as simple as he drove home parked his car changed his clothes so he wouldn't be covered in
00:46:15
blood and walked to a pay phone or then drove across town to another pay phone that makes up for the laps in time I
00:46:24
actually think it's something a little more sadistic I think it's something a little more sick driving around flicking
00:46:32
it the whole time I think and we know how these killers operate they love to return to the scene of the crime they
00:46:40
love to pull the purple headed yogurt Slinger the lake Herman Road murders that took place 6 and A2 months earlier
00:46:47
is only 2 miles distance from the most recent attack right I think there's a good chance that maybe he shot these two
00:46:58
victims and then drove to the old murder scene maybe even to reenact it or live it out or or just kind of look at the
00:47:07
area right admiring his work because if you map out a route from murder scene to
00:47:14
murder scene and then to the pay phone well you're left with a whole lot less of unaccounted for time right but I also
00:47:23
wonder you said this uh pay phone was pretty close to the police department correct I wonder if there's again like
00:47:31
we know that he wants to kind of induce Panic he wants to see this fear in their
00:47:36
eyes I wonder he likes to see the reaction I wonder if he wanted to see if anybody
00:47:45
called the the police and to see if the police were already reacting to it that's a possibility like I'm going to
00:47:52
drive by the police department and see if people are in in route yet so let's go through Mike Mao's statements of what
00:48:00
he says happened that night because we now have a surviving victim a a living witness he says now remember he said at
00:48:10
some point that they might have been followed early but and that's what led them to parking at the Blue Rock Springs
00:48:18
Park in that version of the story he says that it was a light colored car that was following them and this is very
00:48:25
interesting interesting and remember we had mention of a white American car in the first attack on Lake Herman Road so
00:48:33
a white American car again making an appearance in this version of the story right there was also a situation where
00:48:43
Darlene's Sister Christina said that Darlene our newest victim had a heated conversation with a man in a white car
00:48:52
in the parking lot of Terry's restaurant on one of the their trips to the restaurant that night remember they went
00:48:58
to the restaurant a couple times she says on one of those occasions she witnessed her sister arguing with a man
00:49:05
she did not know his name and this man was in a white vehicle MH but then when you dive in and take a look at the
00:49:14
statement Mike gave to Police from his hospital bed in this version of the story he says nothing about being
00:49:20
followed in fact he says they pulled into the lot to talk and shortly after after a few other cars pulled in these
00:49:29
were all believed to be other teens Mike says A car pulled in and just kind of sat running and watching them for maybe
00:49:37
a minute or two then the car sped off the car then came back and pulled up behind them the way that a cop car would
00:49:46
Mike says that though through a very brief conversation the two of them both he and Darlene believed that the person
00:49:55
now parked behind them was in fact the police officer he says that the man got out with a high-powered flashlight like
00:50:02
one used by police he says he couldn't see the man because he was shining the light directly at them this is the old
00:50:10
light blind technique that police will use then the man just started firing Mike's Hospital account also includes
00:50:18
Mike saying the gunfire was not loud that maybe the gunmen used some type of silencer so are you suggesting that Mike
00:50:25
is saying that it's possible it was a cop and possibly some altered weapon so it you like I said like a maybe like a
00:50:35
man-made silencer on the gun he's saying the the manner that the vehicle pulled up behind them would would be the way
00:50:43
that a cop would typically stop someone the way that he felt that the the person
00:50:48
approached the vehicle the energy yeah that he he and Darlene didn't think that they were in any danger because they
00:50:56
thought that it was a cop walking up to inquire as to why they were just sitting
00:51:00
there well then you think as far as the Killer goes background security guard maybe was a patrol officer at some point
00:51:09
maybe had some military background correct and we we should be perfectly clear here he's not saying that it was a
00:51:15
police car right because we have the description of the vehicle that he says that the gunman was driving that night
00:51:23
Mike Mao's description of that vehicle he says that it looked a lot like Darlene's car maybe even the same model
00:51:30
so this would mean it would be a Chevy Corvair and then some have pointed out that back then the Ford Mustang looked a
00:51:37
lot like a Chevy Corvair so the police have always kind of said we believe that it was either a Chevy Corvair or a Ford
00:51:45
Mustang Mike Mao says that the vehicle's color was about the same color as Darlene's car so brown but he also says
00:51:54
maybe a little lighter so I guess a light brown one interesting thing though tan ban the tan sedan Mike said that he
00:52:02
saw California license plates on the vehicle he couldn't make out any of the numbers after he had been shot but he
00:52:10
said he specifically remembers that it was in fact California license plates right this second version of his
00:52:18
story is probably more correct and I say that for several reasons but one mainly
00:52:25
because this version of the story is backed up by Darlene's sister but hold on a second you're not saying cuz we
00:52:31
have multiple people giving we very likely just have Mike mou giving different versions of the no but what
00:52:39
I'm saying this is not the only person to give the police information so far correct but but we're not saying that
00:52:46
any of these victims in any way do we think they're lying to the police or just saying because of the chaotic situ
00:52:55
ation that they were in and just heck just surviving is something there has been some belief over the years that
00:53:03
maybe Mike Mao has purposely left out some details really out of fear okay is is one General thought the
00:53:12
other thought is that he may have altered some of the versions of that story and told different stories because
00:53:20
he was in fact in love with Darlene and didn't want to shame her after she' Fallen victim so that's why the story
00:53:31
goes from we were being followed and the car followed us into that parking spot to then later we went and parked so we
00:53:39
could have somewhere to talk the general thought is and Mike has never confirmed
00:53:43
this so we don't know the thought has been well maybe Mike made up a reason why the two would be parked there other
00:53:50
than they just wanted to go and park there if you know what I mean well yeah the other thing though two is keep in
00:53:56
mind this is a 19-year-old boy who's been shot three times and was probably traumatized in
00:54:04
all kinds of I mean you couldn't even imagine yeah most definitely but again it's just like that that one of the
00:54:11
first couples that think they saw the Killer and then the killer possibly followed them for a while and they're
00:54:16
like well we were just stopped on the side of the road because something broke in the car it's like no you you probably
00:54:22
were making out you just didn't want to tell your parents I mean we have to remember this is 1968 right 69 and
00:54:30
Darlene was married 69 well and keep in mind this version that we just went through he says that when they pulled
00:54:38
into the parking area of the park that there were already some other vehicles there they had reasons to believe that
00:54:45
they were you know younger people just kind of hanging out and that those Vehicles left and then the suspect's
00:54:53
vehicle pulled up just kind of of sat there looking at him for a little bit drove off and then came back and the
00:54:59
reason why I think that this second version is the more likely is a statement based from Darlene's sister's
00:55:07
account of the nights events she says this is Pam Huckabee Darlene's younger sister says she hold hold on we have
00:55:17
Betty Lou Jensen Huckabee these are like the most 1960s names of all time name that you'd think you would hear on like
00:55:26
a 60s sitcom or something so Pam hucke says that she always believed that she missed witnessing the attack just by
00:55:34
seconds she says quote I was there in the parking lot just leaving when the car drove up behind her I relive it
00:55:42
every fourth of July weekend I wonder what I might have done differently the quote police car passed me going in as
00:55:51
we were going out we heard the pop pop but thought it was fireworks again so that we're clear she's not saying she
00:55:59
saw a police car right she's calling it that because Mike Mao said that it behaved in the way that he believed a
00:56:09
cop would pull them over or approach their vehicle in the July 5th 1969 Vallejo times heral it read officers at
00:56:17
the scene broadcast an alert for a young heavys set white male adult riding in a
00:56:23
brown automobile and the July 6th 1969 Vallejo Times Herald it read under the subheading brown car so it's obvious
00:56:33
that police are looking for the man described to them by Mike mou as well as this brown automobile I I'm pointing
00:56:41
this out because we have this question mark of a white American car but to be perfectly clear in the story that makes
00:56:49
the most sense for Mike Mao there is no white American car it's a brown brown or
00:56:55
light brown vehicle if it's brown or light brown flush it down but let's not look past the obvious right mhm we have
00:57:05
a married woman hanging out with I guess you could almost assume they're they're
00:57:10
at least flirtatious I don't know if you would call call him her boyfriend but she's married so number one suspect is
00:57:19
always the husband did it yes this is a unique situation so Mike m show and Darlene faren were described by everyone
00:57:28
including Darlene's husband as good good friends right and so these were not people that were just hanging out for
00:57:36
the first time together in fact Darlene's husband said that Darlene had a lot of male friends and this did not
00:57:46
bother him a lot of that was based off of where they worked they both worked at restaurants and anybody that's worked at
00:57:53
restaurants will know that off often people after their shifts they they tend to go out together whether it be in a
00:57:59
large group or a small group and so of course her husband Dean was looked at regardless of how he felt about her
00:58:07
hanging out with Mike or other men right he was looked at quite well the issue being that he was at work he was still
00:58:16
on his work shift at the time of the murder so he has not only just a good Alibi it's a it's a solid Alibi so Dean
00:58:26
Fen has been cleared as well as two other individuals that were male friends of Darlene faren they were cleared as
00:58:35
well so when we look back on this case in the case before Captain we do have suspects that were looked at that were
00:58:44
not the quote unquote zodiac right that knew the victims and were in fact cleared by the local authorities in
00:58:53
those investigations and but you have to think for law enforcement once you roll
00:58:58
out those stereotypical suspects or suspects that you think are connected directly to the victims now you have to
00:59:06
step back and look at the whole picture and go well maybe we have a serial killer on our hands do you think there's
00:59:12
any possible way that this killer is using like a rental system or maybe even borrowing the cards from different
00:59:21
individuals I think the borrowing Vehicles is quite possible uh especially given
00:59:30
the profile put forward by some people over the years um one profile states that the they would believe that the
00:59:40
Zodiac may have lived with a parent or parents for a considerable amount of their adult life and we know from other
00:59:50
serial cases that we have covered and I'm referencing the one I that comes immediately to mind is the Atlanta child
00:59:58
killer case where they were getting different descriptions of vehicles from connected
01:00:05
victims because sometimes he was driving his car other times he was driving his parents vehicle and we've seen that in
01:00:13
other cases as well where they will borrow someone's vehicle because they know they're going to go out and commit
01:00:19
the murders with it or flee the scene with it and if they're seen they don't want to be seen in the vehicle that
01:00:24
could be traced back to them right so what do we know about this killer we both said that we think he likes to see
01:00:33
the reaction of the victims before he shoots them we know that he possibly has means to have or access to multiple
01:00:47
Vehicles we know he likes to toy with other individuals and we for him to follow around multiple eyewitnesses
01:00:55
there's probably other eyewitnesses that just never came forward because they didn't think much of it he's trying to
01:01:01
put himself in the right place at the right time so he can have an opportunity the things that I would add to my
01:01:08
thoughts about our killer is even though these two attacks took place relatively
01:01:13
close to one another or two mile distance from each other I don't necessarily think that the killer has to
01:01:18
be local again I question why wouldn't he just say the name of the park rather than provide Direction
01:01:25
the other thing that I suspect is going on here too is that the need to have a female victim yeah because in both
01:01:33
situations we see similar Mo now of course we have to piece some of this together ourselves because nobody
01:01:42
survived the first attack to tell us what went down but we can base off of the evidence and off of the the
01:01:51
statements from the second attack it appears that what he was looking to do is to stop the immediately stop the
01:01:59
threat of the male fighting back right and then we see overkill on the female where the female is shot more times than
01:02:08
the male and so I think there is a need for him to have a female present to kill a
01:02:16
female and I think some kind of sexual gratification well and I think that that's the purpose of him pulling up
01:02:24
stop and looking at the people and then deciding if he's going to attack or not but maybe he needs the male victim just
01:02:32
as much as he needs the F male victim cuz it's almost like he's like I think um deep down in my soul or whatever I'm
01:02:40
not good enough for you but I'm going to be better than this individual at this moment by killing them and then and then
01:02:49
but you're going to pay cuz you didn't choose me I've had some people I've heard some people say well well he was
01:02:54
probably making sure that the victims were young that he was looking for a certain age group and I I think that is
01:03:00
the silliest statement I've ever heard because one would not think to find a bunch of old people parked in these
01:03:06
lovers Lanes right right he's not he yes he is looking for young victims that's why he's choosing to attack in this
01:03:14
manner he expects to find younger people parked there together I think it's the sometimes you just have a couple guys
01:03:21
hanging out drinking or you have just team te aers that have nowhere to go that park a car somewhere I think it's
01:03:28
important to him that there be a female victim and as you pointed out likely a male victim as well what we do know for
01:03:34
sure Captain is that this killer wants everyone to know he is responsible for both of these attacks he wants them to
01:03:43
know that these attacks are connected and he is in fact a serial killer he's a killer that's brutal methodical and he's
01:03:52
thinking out these crimes he's also thinking out the communications that he chooses to pass on to police and we will
01:04:00
also learn that this guy will not stop and therefore we will have more crime scenes and victims to
01:04:08
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