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there was no reason for what I did Edgar Alan Poe The Telltale [Music] [Music] Heart we start off this week's world
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wide garage cast with three brutal and very scary unsolved murders in the Florida Keys all taking place in the
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span of about 1 year just under 13 months in fact these three murders had everyone on high alert and rightfully so
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the three victims were all said to be vulnerable female victims they were all killed and their bodies recovered in the
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short span of July 1988 to July 1989 some women were buying and packing their purses with cans of Mace some
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inspired by the fear and violence were buying and packing their purses with pistols others were signing up for
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defense classes all three of these murders would take place in a 10mile radius of each other yeah this is a 10mi
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string of Royal Coral Rock Barrier Islands Big Pine Key little Torch Key and no name key
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all down near the southernmost tip of Florida now while the papers describe all of the victims collectively as
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vulnerable females all three of them could not be more different from one another the first victim was 4-year-old
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Patty Lanza and then about 6 months later we have a second victim this is 20-year-old cancer survivor Lisa Sanders
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and then the third victim was a 39-year-old former beauty queen from Illinois her name Sherry pisho who was
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very intelligent Sherry was homeless by choice living a very let's say hippie lifestyle for a lack of a better term
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and sleeping under the stars in beautiful Big Pine Key the killings and frankly the horrific nature of how all
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three of the victims were killed and what was done to the bodies spawn some very scary rumors some were saying that
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a serial killer was using the keys as a hunting ground some saying that it was the work of the Florida Keys Ripper and
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the local media had its own Theory either it was the work of a lunatic a Satanist or perhaps drug cultist
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sacrificing victims one headline read murders in rural Keys spawn rumors of a cult
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victims lived in a murky Fringe world that article is from the Miami Herald from 1989 and the article Captain it's a
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lengthy one so I have cherry-picked some of the highlights here and it reads Big
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Pine Key Florida Sher paricio slept under the stars in a little green dinghy little green dinghy was my nickname in
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high school she talked about the magic of Saturn she said she had the power to make rain everyone in these once
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Heavenly Keys called her the rain maker then on the night after a full full moon
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someone from Hell lunatic or Satanist snatched the rain Maker's Soul a killer slit her throat cut open her chest and
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stole her heart the murder of Sherry paricio 39 a high school beauty queen from Illinois is the third unsolved
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homicide of a female along this 10mile string of Royal Coral Rock Barrier Islands Big Pine Key little Torch Key
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and no no name key all within a year one of the other victims like pisho had a missing heart and some people in these
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Keys usually laidback and relaxed are very very frightened quote the consistent story is that the murders had
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something to do with a satanic cult connected with drug shipments detectives are mystified they
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measure tire tracks take clothing descriptions and confront an almost frenzied local Rumor Mill they haul in
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for polygraph test a variety of key Critters as they call them eccentrics aging hippies with earrings tattoos and
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excon and suspected drug dealers Monroe County Sheriff Jay defor doesn't Advance
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a murder Theory and downplays talk that drug cultist sacrificed the victims quote we haven't ruled it out the
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sheriff said says but we haven't ruled out martians either well you got to love a smart ass all the victims were
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vulnerable females one 4 years old she lived with her mother all the victims lived in a murky Fringe world of
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transients wild parties and talk of white powder and black magic cult related or not the murders have brought
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attention to the growing problem of Satanism in the keys Ronda poor works at a church church and Marathon she says
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she has counseled six or seven recovering cultists they've been involved in initiations they use girls
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for ritual offerings on altars making them lie on slabs one boy said he had to take a large live animal kill it and
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drink the blood on July 2nd 1988 the first murder occurred little Patty Lanza four wearing a white jumpsuit went with
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her mother Deborah to a party on little Torch Key it was a big wild Affair people were probably doing cocaine says
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Kim Normandy who attended the party she remembers Patty's mother confused about where her little girl was the mother was
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sort of out of it Normandy says sheriff's deputies found the jumpsuit and underwear in the woods not far from
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Patty's body an autopsy indicated that she had been sexually assaulted and then clubbed on the head the murderer is a
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vicious dangerous person had no fear to snatch a 4-year-old from a party and do this just moments away from a large
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group of people Sheriff deor goes on to say that he does not believe that this killing is connected to the others
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investigators cite differences in the victim's ages and the way that they died there's a very compelling Link in these
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three murders and that seems to be geography and time the girl's grandparents believe Patty's
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death is cult or drug related the grandmother asked the homicide investigators to send her surviving
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grandchildren to a psychiatrist especially one of them she goes on to say I think may know something and is
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afraid to talk about it detectives questioned Patty's mother and a friend his name Mike balagna he is a tow truck
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operator the second murder occurred December 17th 1988 and be it small town coincidence or conspiracy the victim's
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parents lived next door to the first victim's grandparents our second victim is Lisa Sanders aged 20 she was a small
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woman 4' 9 105 lb recovering from leukemia she came to the keys from Michigan to join her parents her hair
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was still still thin from the chemotherapy 6 weeks after her arrival on a Friday night she left her trailer
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park wearing blue jeans a pink tank top a silver necklace two gold chains and her High School ring with a topaz Stone
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she went to a wild party maybe a 100 to 200 other people attended that party almost every Friday the partygoers
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gathered on a deserted road to drink smoke p and raise hell this was on sparsely populated no name key yeah I
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used to go to big parties back when my nickname was Little Green dinghy she was to meet her mother Marilyn at a flea
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market at 6:00 a.m. on Saturday to sell Christmas decorations however she never made it at noon sheriff's deputies
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noticed vultures near a rock pit a mile from the party site they found the Body nude in some bushes they had to chase a
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way the vultures Dr RJ Nelms Jr Monroe County's medical examiner reported that the victim had multiple skull fractures
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and knot marks on her neck consistent with a rope and strangulation they concluded that the killer had also
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clubbed her on the head apparently with the butt of a pistol and stabbed her with a double-edged knife left to right
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through both eyes Nelms noted numerous holes measuring up to 3 in some he said caused by the vultures missing from the
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body were most of the heart brain eyes neck muscles appendix ovaries bladder and parts of the lung neither the
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pathologist nor the detectives are certain how the organs were removed by vultures by a Madman or by both but it
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appears investigators say that someone dragged the victim down a Hard Rock Road while she was still alive apparently
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behind a vehicle Marilyn Sanders says she thinks her daughter was murdered by a Satanist quote I don't believe for a
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minute the vultures did it yeah maybe this murderer is a Satanist but he is also definitely giant pile [ __ ] most
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certainly the vultures did not remove the heart of Sherry perisho the third murder victim someone cut it out with a
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knife says NS the pathologist quote I think it is possible it was the same knife used in the second murder like the
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two other victims parisha was short 5 foot2 she had a childlike innocence about her she kept a diary painted and
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like to soak up the sun in a blue bikini she rode around town on a bicycle every
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evening before calling it a day she straddled her napsack in pots and pans across her dingy
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the little boat had her name on the back she would row out under the pine Channel
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bridge to about 4 ft of water and sleep there in the swimming hole at about 10: p.m. July 19th a toist from Ohio fishing
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off the bridge thought he hooked a big fish it was Sher paro's left elbow you can't trust anybody from Ohio so like
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you said three female victims all connected within a 10m radius but vary in degrees of age but when you hear
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rumors that two of the victim's Hearts were removed that's going to get everybody locally on high alert yeah
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this is a difficult thing to sit here and try to make sense out of right because we have these three murders and
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what we do have is we have the police coming out and they're saying we don't feel that this first one is connected to
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the other two we can't say for certain that the other two are even connected to one another we do have the fact that one
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they're all killed in close proximity to one another and they're also killed within a short time period from one
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another and oh by the way right the three cases are unsolved and so until we know who did one two or three of these
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killings we just don't know exactly what happened now Captain not too many folks
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out there throw out praise and cheers to investigative journalists Like Yours Truly you're kiss so traditionally I'm a
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fan however one thing that I strongly encourage that we all should be doing constantly is to read between the lines
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always look for the story inside the story always ask yourself what are they not telling us and never be afraid to
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question what we are told now you have to be careful in some of these situations because sometimes I feel like
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news outlets can stray from the good sound reporting and Venture into the sales industry right and what they're
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trying to sell us is fear and the more you watch and read the more you become afraid the more afraid you are the more
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you will return to watch or read because we are afraid of the things that are out
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there we are afraid of the things that could harm us or our families a lot of times these things we have little
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control or no control over but in some weird way we feel like if we tune in if we stay informed well we have control
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over that well aren't you just the pot calling the kettle black and so in this case it's
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really interesting here because I think they did some great work here the Miami heral is doing a great job on reporting
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these cases the article is fantastic and the writing is excellent the article comes from the Miami Harold staff writer
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Sydney fredberg doing gangbusters work down there in the South Beach area but they stray a bit when it comes to these
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theories it looks like we have a lot of the local scuttlebutt that is making its
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way into these news stories and I mean across the board so this is the one that we chose to go through in good detail
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however this was just one of dozens of articles that were coming out around this area all over Florida at this time
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because of the nature of these horrific murders right we chose to go with this one because none of these other articles
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were as good or as thorough as this one now they could be right on some level right like my boy meatloaf said two out
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of three ain't bad there's no way you've met meatloaf so if anyone out there in listener land wants to keep score here
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we go as the colonel sees it anyway so is it a lunatic or lunatics responsible for one of the murders or all three
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absolutely yes ding that's a score could a Satanist be involved in one of these murders yes of course so ding again but
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a drug cult sacrificing victims well you heard the sheriff emphatically quash that notion when he says we haven't
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ruled it out but we haven't ruled out martians either right so it looks like while drugs may be involved in some of
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these parties that we're discussing it doesn't appear or they don't have any evidence to suggest that a drug cult was
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involved in these murders well we have several victims and we're going to have several suspects and each one of these
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murders and that's what's left out from these news articles at the time they're coming in with these scary headlines
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that we got these cult druggist and they're just offing people and sacrificing victims but really we have
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some decent suspects in each one of these cases and whether or not any of these cases were connected to the others
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while that seems to be a concern for the public here and that comes through clearly in this article it wasn't so
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much a question for the investigators in fact you heard the sheriff saying they have reason to believe that the first
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murder is not in any way connected to the other two so they had suspects in each case and most of those suspects
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were only a suspect in one of the cases there was however one suspect that popped up in two of the cases but not
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the third so let's go through each of these with a little more detail here shall let's do it the Patty Lanza case
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is a very strange one right they all are but with the way the woman from the last
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article described everything I caught myself victim blaming quite a bit thinking why in the hell would anyone
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bring a child to that party you're not victim blaming directly you're just questioning the actions of the victim's
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mother but some more information describes what I think to be more of a family friendly atmosphere or maybe at
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least one might think that going to the party right this was to be a large 4th of July holiday party families welcome
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to this event it was on a Saturday which was July 2nd Deborah Lanza takes her four kids with her to this party on
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little Torch Key at the party they are roasting Hogs people are playing Horseshoes and there's lots of kids that
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were present so not just Deborah's four kids that are there in fact many recall one of the favorite activities that the
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kids were engaging in was chasing one another around a house and chasing each other around on this large wooden
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patio little Patty only four years old at some point she complains to her mother that she is tired and she's
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saying hey I want to go home this is just before 1000 p.m. so no problem Deborah Lanza says okay we are going to
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go home let me round up your Three Brothers the brothers are all older Patty is the baby of the bunch it's
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during this time that Mom seems to lose track of Patty we've all been in this situation whether where the parent or
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where the child you're at the party now you got to gather up everybody and you got to gather up your belongings and at
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this point she just can't find her daughter yeah this is when the confusion sits in and Patty seems to vanish in the
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blink of an eye then sadly as we know her body is found the next day not terribly far from the house that hosted
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the party within days there is a suspect at least one person attending the party
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reported to authorities that another party attendee later determined to be 30-year-old Steve polite was seen
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leaving the house with the little girl just shortly before her mother noticed that she was missing right police
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arrested Steve and charged him with false imprison of a child under the age of 13 in connection with the girl's
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death Steve was arrested on July 5th and put in jail so Captain this was quick things are moving quick in this
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investigation he is in custody already by July 6th with the announcement that the investigation was ongoing and
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further charges may be filed police said when you have a murdered girl this is what you want some answers quickly
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eyewitnesses coming forward and it seems like a moment of got him and this Steve
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polite he was someone that showed up to the party with a handful of other people
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but he seems to be one of these guys that a lot of the people at the party didn't seem to know who he was you know
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sometimes at these parties friends invite friends and then those friends invite other friends and next thing you
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know you're at this big large party that you thought you were going to know 90 to
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100% of the people in the room and you're looking around and there's some strangers involved yeah or if you're the
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captain you just invite yourself so a lot of people at this party they don't know who this guy is also they say that
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the people that were with him that came with him arrived with him at the party fit in that same category where a lot of
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the people at the party did not know who these people were so Steve is arrested he's sitting in jail I know they were
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hoping to get a confession from him which never came and I know they were trying to get some additional evidence
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against him as well some physical evidence because what we have here in this investigation so far is just a
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witness or a few witness statements that have our victim and our suspect seen together at the party but if Steve is
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the guy well unfortunately they don't have any luck getting physical evidence against
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cheers to you Colonel cheers to you there captain now we have this Steve polite individual who is suspect number
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one in the murder of little Patty Lanza and odd that last name is polite because
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it might not be so polite that he showed up to a party that nobody seems to know
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who he is right and unfortunately this investigation against Steve polite stalled I don't know if
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they were getting conflicting reports from people that were at the party but what we do know is that law enforcement
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gets inconclusive scientific reports they collected blood hair and clothing fibers
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right that were sent off for testing analysis and comparisons and none of this evidence was any good for the state
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in connecting Mr Steve polite to the abduction and murder of the little girl well like you said we have eyewitnesses
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but how many times have you been at a party there's a bunch of people around and you got to run out to your truck or
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your Jeep to grab the six-pack that you brought so he heads out to get the six-pack and this girl heads out to her
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car to wait for mother or wait for her family and so these eyewitness reports it they put them together but it they
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don't put them together in the sense of they saw this guy grab her and carrying her over his shoulder right now the
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Monroe County State Attorney he ends up dismissing the charges against Steve but
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this doesn't go down until late November of 88 so Steve sat in jail for about eight or nine days shy of five months
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and then he is released now interestingly enough according to Florida Keys missing and unsolved Steve
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admitted to police that yes he was with the girl at the party there's no detail given here Captain so I don't know if
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he's saying yes I I spoke to the little girl or yes I spoke to several kids while I was there right but he does not
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deny being in the company of this little girl but he tells police yeah I talked to her but she was alive when I last saw
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her so he ends up getting released and then again according to Florida Keys missing and unsolved he then dies in
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1989 or maybe early 1990 of what is reported as natural causes apparently years later his DNA is tested in this
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case in the Patty lza case and it is announced that he is excluded as a [Music] suspect
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our second victim is 20-year-old Lisa Sanders she was a tiny but strong woman she was just 4' N9 in tall or 4' 10 in
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tall depending on which report Little Mighty M but she battled leukemia and was recovering from her victory over
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leukemia heck not just recovering she was living life and moving onward and upward with her life yeah there's
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probably somebody out there fighting cancer right now keep fighting don't give up you can do this she was a kid
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from a big family growing up in Michigan after leukemia she decided she wanted to
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pursue a nursing career she enrolled in the Florida Keys Community College nursing program and relocated to Big
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Pine Key in 1988 about 2 months later after she arrived there on the night of Friday
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December 16th 1988 Lisa attended a large party on no-name key some Reports say maybe a 100 to possibly even 200 people
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attended the party throughout the night it's a party people come and go it gets a little difficult to determine exactly
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how many people attended this party from my understanding here Captain this was a
00:32:20
regular out in the open we're out in this rural area out in the sticks and people just kind of randomly show up
00:32:27
sounds like a big bonfire party to me yeah party dude and this goes down every Friday night now she is last seen at the
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party around 9:30 p.m. by several people the reports are that she left the party
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on foot saying that she was going to go home or walk home that night I don't know how far she was living from this
00:32:50
party but again this is all kind of a small community all of these three areas that we're talking about all within 10
00:32:58
miles of one another the following day her parents report her missing and as you heard earlier police find her body
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practically led to the body by vultures she was found off of a dirt road having been tossed into some bushes
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as we reported earlier she had been beaten stabbed and dragged behind a vehicle by a rope tied around her neck
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and parts of her were missing there was debate over the theory of whether it was
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animals or the killer or both that were responsible for the mutilations done to the body yeah I think I'm comfortable
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after reviewing the injuries and all of the information saying yes it was probably both right the we have the
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statements from police later on much later after this case takes place in 1989 and 1990 where they are saying that
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most of these mut ation appear to have been done by Animals by the vultures by birds but one thing we know to be
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true is vultures didn't tie a rope or chain around her neck and then drag her behind a vehicle no so it has to be both
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there there shouldn't be much of a debate here this case has been in the news not just in 8889 or 90 this case
00:34:22
has remained in the news from time to time over the years this one has never strayed very far from the spotlight in
00:34:30
fact in 2015 police were once again asking the public for their help in this matter and even offering up reward money
00:34:39
for information now it does look like they had multiple suspects in this case as
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well in fact they had one that they liked a lot the Monro County Sheriff's detective Bureau have stated publicly
00:34:54
over the years that there is a quote person of interest in this case they don't however ever give this man's name
00:35:02
but we did a little digging of our own here and we know this to be a guy that I call the man with four first names this
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is Guy Billy Lee Scott a Man convicted of rape murder and manslaughter up here in our state Ohio from these charges and
00:35:21
convictions he has been in jail or prisons here in Ohio for over 30 years years now and was recently in our local
00:35:30
news in fact just 4 days ago we were told that the Ohio Innocence Project is stepping up to bat for this guy Billy
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Lee Scott well this case is going to be difficult for law enforcement because like you said the party is so large 100
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people to 200 people so that's a lot of people to try to track down especially when there's no like list of people that
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came to the party we have a lot of people people just from the community dropping by yeah and Scott is 60 years
00:36:02
old old turd he's still in prison here in Ohio he's serving a 15 years to life and prison
00:36:08
sentence that he received from a Butler County jury after being convicted of murder rape and assault his case is
00:36:17
difficult because up here in Ohio he's accused of raping and murdering a woman named Lisa Buckley and oddly enough this
00:36:30
murder takes place shortly after an outdoor party sounds a little similar to our first victims first two victims here
00:36:37
in the keys the problem with his conviction or at least as far as the Ohio Innocence
00:36:45
Project sees it and I'm not here to make any enemies especially with the good people of the Ohio Innocence Project
00:36:52
yeah well I'm here to talk [ __ ] and kick some ass I've reviewed a lot of this this case the guy looks guilty to me
00:36:59
he's had several appeals that have held up in court but look they're doing their
00:37:05
jobs they're going to give him a shot here I guess there's DNA in this Lisa Buckley case and so they're going to get
00:37:13
Scott's DNA and compare it to the Buckley case and if it doesn't match up they're going to say this guy was
00:37:21
innocent he was basically convicted off of eyewitness statements and no physical
00:37:28
evidence at all in the Lisa Buckley case oddly enough it seems to be that that might be the same thing that was
00:37:35
connecting him to the Lisa Sanders case in 1988 down in the keys that you have some people suggesting that he was there
00:37:44
at the party and then now we have a victim the following day there was also some rumor at the time that police were
00:37:54
searching for a pickup up truck possibly with Ohio license plates on it that is back in 1988 in the Lisa Sanders case
00:38:03
well just to be clear just because the Ohio Innocence Project is going to be taken on this case they're going to be
00:38:09
doing tests before they fully invest their all their time and energy correct so this is going to go down relatively
00:38:16
soon from my understanding there was a rape kit from the Lisa Buckley case here in Ohio and fingernail scrapings and
00:38:25
from my understanding that evidence has never been tested and has never been tested against this individual here Mr
00:38:34
Scott maybe these results we can go over on an episode of off the Record his claim and his defense team's claim is
00:38:42
that this guy was convicted on the statements of eyewitnesses or as they say people that made up this story
00:38:52
against him to get him convicted get him wrongfully convicted the persons that testified against him in the Lisa
00:39:00
Buckley case one was from a previous relationship which he had that didn't go so well and the other was a family
00:39:07
member of an individual that he was convicted of killing so they're saying these people had a vested interest in
00:39:14
testifying against him truthful or otherwise he was already convicted of manslaughter he was involved in a
00:39:21
shootout where we end up with people passing away from their injuries from this shootout right and so that's how he
00:39:29
gets the manslaughter charge and his defense team is saying of course this one person testified against him and led
00:39:37
to his conviction in the Lisa Buckley case and they had reason to do so and that's because they hated him for being
00:39:43
involved in the shootout where their loved one passed away and they probably don't feel like he got a long enough
00:39:49
sentence yeah I kind of agree in this case I mean some people get longer senten for selling marijuana now we say
00:39:56
all that but really at the end of the day the man with four first names he's got nothing to lose just a couple first
00:40:03
names he's in prison either way so of course he's going to say test it test it test it and hopefully something goes
00:40:09
wrong even if he did do it for him and he catches a break and he gets out now we also could be sitting here a few
00:40:17
months from now going well he got what he wanted for they tested it and it turns out yes he killed Lisa bucklet
00:40:24
well then we'll scream to the high heels got him but even if he's innocent we have this rough individual that we know
00:40:32
of as far as his history goes or he put himself around three situations where there's murdered victims yeah that's
00:40:40
what's so interesting to me here Captain with this individual as a potential good
00:40:44
suspect in the Patty lza case I'm going to include that one as well as the Lisa Sanders case so I've reviewed some
00:40:52
statements that make it sound like maybe he should be a suspect in the Patty lza
00:40:57
case as well reportedly he was seen at the no-name key party and then seen at the July 2nd
00:41:06
1988 party on little Torch Key the one that the four-year-old Patty Lanza went missing from and then later her body
00:41:13
found nearby the following day well like we said all three victims were found within a 10mile radius around similar
00:41:22
times so if this guy is seen at one party that puts him as a possible suspect in all the cases so down there
00:41:30
in the keys within this six-month stretch you have two victims that are murdered shortly after or during the
00:41:39
course of a party right now what would make him interesting is yes he seems to have been a suspect in the Lisa Sanders
00:41:49
case but some of these reports are suggesting that he attended both of the parties right
00:41:57
now Monroe County detectives are on the record saying that quote he was present at both those parties but a lot of other
00:42:07
people also were present at both citing that it's such a small community right okay so there are a lot of similarities
00:42:18
to the Lisa Sanders case compared to the Lisa Buckley case and this coming from law enforcement
00:42:25
they say it happened after an outdoor party and the Ohio victim oddly enough was also named Lisa the thing with Scott
00:42:33
being guilty or innocent in the Buckley case or the Sanders case or let's go even with the Patty Lanza case yes the
00:42:41
statement from law enforcement down in the key saying a lot of people were at both parties but guess what chicken butt
00:42:47
I guarantee you I would slap down a big old Ben Benjamin Franklin on this one and wager it I guarantee you he was the
00:42:55
only guy that was was at all three parties and I'm talking about the the party up here in Ohio where Lisa Buckley
00:43:01
was killed afterwards right now they are saying they want to test Scott's DNA for comparison in the Lisa
00:43:11
Buckley case in Ohio and that might exonerate him or exclude him from having been the killer in the Buckley case I
00:43:20
say great if he's willing to give his DNA for testing in comparison in that case to confirm or remove him as the guy
00:43:28
in the Buckley Ohio case let's take that DNA too and if you have any available for our perpetrator in the Patty lza
00:43:36
case which you might right we give we gave the statement that it was reported that the one guy who was charged with
00:43:45
unlawful imprisonment of a child under the age of 13 Steve polite he was locked up and
00:43:53
held in jail for four almost 5 months released and then the reports are that he passed away a year year and a half
00:44:03
later and his DNA was tested years later which excluded him as a suspect in the Patty lza case that would imply that
00:44:11
they have DNA of the perpetrator in the Patty Lanza case right they may also have DNA of the perpetrator in the Lisa
00:44:20
Sanders case because we know according to all the reports that she unfortunately was raped
00:44:26
if he wants his DNA compared in the Lisa Buckley case I say great let's do it because if he was wrong wrongfully
00:44:32
convicted get him out of that cell as quickly as you possibly can however wouldn't he stay in jail for a little
00:44:40
bit of time because he's charged with another homicide however if he is willing to give his DNA for comparison
00:44:48
in that case I say if it's possible let's compare it in the Patty Lanza case and the Lisa Sanders case as well yeah
00:44:55
you can test them for all three and look maybe he is innocent of all three and it's just a weird coincidence that he
00:45:02
was at all three parties but at least you can get closer to an answer by process of
00:45:10
elimination that's exactly right 7 months after the brutal torture killing of Lisa Sanders a man fishing off of the
00:45:20
Big Pine Key Bridge at first thought that he caught a big fish but sadly it turned out to be that he hooked a human
00:45:31
elbow now the way that this goes down and I thought this to be a little bit fishy let's say to start with no pun
00:45:40
intended there you go when you dive deep into the details here I'm always suspicious of the person that finds the
00:45:49
body plus he's from Ohio and here this sound like a suspicious story yeah it took much digging to to find out the
00:45:59
details that this individual one was not alone two was from out of state and was
00:46:05
on vacation with three other friends it was less fishy then yes and it was a fishing trip that involved four
00:46:14
individuals so they're all fishing off of this bridge now remember we had said earlier in the description of Sherry
00:46:22
paro's life 39-year-old homicide victim Sher pisho she lived on this little boat and at night time she
00:46:33
would take it under this bridge near a swimming hole and regularly sleep there under the stars at night
00:46:43
time what it appears to be Captain is that somebody in the middle of the night must have approached her and murdered
00:46:52
her and they leave her in the same general area and unfortunately this man who's on vacation
00:47:02
he's there with his three friends the four of them are out fishing he hooks the elbow of Sher
00:47:10
parisha so very quickly we have the discovery of our third victim 39-year-old Sher pisho who is reported
00:47:21
to be a free-spirited woman living on a small boat now she wasn't just killed this is where we
00:47:30
stray a thousand times away from the first two murders unfortunately you know the Patty
00:47:38
lza case it looks like somebody abducted the little girl assaulted her and killed
00:47:43
her within a very quick period of time and left the body near the home of the house that was hosting that party Lisa
00:47:53
Sanders a little more complicated did she get into the to a car with the wrong individual was she abducted on the
00:48:00
side of the road as she was walking home that night it's difficult to say what we
00:48:05
can say is that somebody took her from wherever they got her from and they placed her body in the bushes not close
00:48:15
to where this party was and then the animals get to the body and really complicate things with the
00:48:22
investigation in this case it appears that somebody just went after this woman in the middle of the night where she was
00:48:29
intending to sleep or nearby her Camp if you want to call it that she wasn't just
00:48:34
killed she was mutilated this is a fact where it was a debate with Lisa Sanders did a Madman do it did the animals do it
00:48:42
or did both do it we're saying we believe both in this case this is completely different this was manmade
00:48:51
mutilation on this poor woman on this victim to to me it looks like somebody even playing with the body after the
00:49:00
murder it was determined that she was drowned and the autopsy revealed the details of the mutilation some of which
00:49:09
was the throat slashed so deeply that the spine was severed and that she was almost decapitated she was sliced down
00:49:18
the length of her torso and her heart and other things were removed the cuts were so precise that one law enforcement
00:49:29
officer said quote it was surgical there was no mistake about what happened here
00:49:36
this is the murder that the locals ran wild with there were so many theories on this one each Theory stranger than the
00:49:44
last and there were a lot of suspects I can't say if these were people considered to be suspects by the actual
00:49:51
police but the general public certainly had a list of suspects this point the community kind of like the deli case
00:49:57
they're just going to throw out to law enforcement almost anybody that looks suspicious I think this is because of a
00:50:03
few different factors here in this case compared to the others why was there such a heightened level of Fascination
00:50:13
and fear surrounding this case compared to the others one this being the third murder of this type in just roughly
00:50:22
about one year's time two the horror of this one the amount of degradation done to the corpse is pretty
00:50:31
much Beyond Comprehension well and where we question that and with the second victim we don't have to question that so
00:50:39
much with the third victim and here with the third victim I think part of the mystery here is compounded by the
00:50:47
mysterious lifestyle of the victim herself she was a mystery now she's involved in this
00:50:54
mystery who was the lunatic The Satanist the madman the monster that killed her in
00:51:01
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