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[Music] last year True Crime garage received a letter that read in part I live in one of those small NYC suburbs
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where crime is predominantly of the property variety and murder is extremely rare
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but on a Monday morning in September of 2007 a beloved Postman in our community was
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killed in his third floor walk-up apartment the victim Steven Spina was a young and friendly single dad
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the facts are somewhat cut and dry his on-again off-again girlfriend left him alone in his apartment when she
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headed to work it was Steven's day off and when he didn't respond to his girlfriend's text about a lunch date she
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returned to his apartment midday and found Stephen stabbed to death no arrests have ever been made in this
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case where Stephen lived is a small town the kind of town where most people know
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each other Stephen grew up here and was friends with most of the people in town and knew
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or was friends with most of the people on his mail route in fact Stephen was good friends with one of the detectives
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originally assigned to his case and now a new Cold Case detective has been assigned to Steven's case
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thank you again for taking a look at this true crime garage has such a large following I really believe it might help
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Advance Steven's case if you guys would cover it thanks again Suzanne after reading Suzanne's letter we of course
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got on the internet to see what if anything could be found about Steven Spina there were a few internet stories
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covering the case then we found an interview with his daughter Skyler and watching her
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interview we both knew right then and there we had to cover this case this is true crime garage and this is
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the still unsolved case of Steven Spina [Music] Sunday September 16 2007 I would be willing to make a
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handsome wager that on that Sunday night 36 year old Stephen Patrick Spina when he went to bed and the head went to
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pillow he was probably smiling and looking forward to Monday morning Steven had every reason to believe that that
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Monday would be a great day that night his girlfriend Tamara was staying the night at his apartment
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Stephen had Monday off from work and in the morning his girlfriend would take off for work and then she would be
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joining Stephen for a lunch date after lunch Steven had his favorite event scheduled for the evening taking his
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daughter to the New York Yankees baseball game now Stephen played and participated in some form of baseball
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for almost his entire life and it had to be a dream come true for him to share his love of the game with the love of
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his life his 12 year old daughter Skyler it was the middle of September and that
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meant that the Yankees were still fighting to keep their October MLB playoff hopes alive that Monday evening
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the Yankees were playing Baltimore Unfortunately they never went to the game someone killed Stephen Spina that
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morning in his apartment now Captain let's go through what is known about this still unsolved homicide case well
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like the colonel said it was a Monday morning but Stephen was a mail carrier so it was actually his day off this is a
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brief description from Project coldcase.org they have several news articles from Steven's case on their
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website which are interesting to check out if you have the extra time now the facts are as follows on Monday September
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17 2007 Steven Spina was stabbed to death in his Mamaroneck New York apartment there were no signs of forced entry into
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the apartment nothing was reported to have been stolen from the home it is very likely that Stephen knew his killer
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he was last seen by a neighbor at approximately 9 30 a.m that morning and he was found deceased by his girlfriend
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around 12 30 PM detectives raised a number of leads including information about Steven's tires being slashed not
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long before his murder also investigated were tips regarding prior relationships of Stevens and his
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girlfriend now let's fill in the blanks here if we can as we know Captain the injuries that are reported is that
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unfortunately our victim was stabbed multiple times here there is evidence that this crime is personal the evidence
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and the crime scene suggests that this was a personal cause homicide the weapon itself to the Public's knowledge the
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weapon identified simply as a knife has never been found evidence that the scene
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suggests that the killer brought the weapon with them to the crime scene and again the apartment was not ransacked
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and nothing was stolen well and like we said Stephen was a mail carrier and he had a different schedule than most
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people so the fact that he was off on a Monday and killed on the day he would have been off it's most likely that the
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killer knew Stephen because he would have had to know that Stephen would have been home that day yes and you're
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exactly right there Captain I believe that that is a significant clue in this case so a couple of things we discussed
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that the apartment's not robbed there doesn't appear to be anything of significant value missing from the
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apartment when the detectives are searching through the scene the other thing though too is this is a third
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floor apartment it's not like somebody just stumbles in off of the street and attacks this guy in his apartment again
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no signs of forced entry so did Stephen let the person or persons into his apartment that day around noon and
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you're exactly right regarding his schedule so that Monday September 17th Stephen was off from work he's a postal
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carrier in Larchmont which from my understanding the way that his schedule works it's quite different from
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most people's work schedules it's not the typical Monday through Friday nine to five type of gig Steven was off on
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Sundays every Sunday he had off now his other day off each week would be a rotating day for example on this week he
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is off on Monday well the following week he would be off on Tuesday and then Wednesday and then Thursday and so on
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and then this pattern repeats itself so on this particular day he's off from work this has to be some
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kind of clue here because not so many people would just know that he would be off
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on this particular day that he would be home if somebody had a beef with him or somebody had a reason to go to his
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apartment and attack and kill him well then that person very likely knew and had prior knowledge that he was off that
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day definitely the area itself this Mamaroneck is a small town in fact it's the the village of Mamaroneck Stephen's
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girlfriend they had been together on and off for about two years right is my understanding at the time of this
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homicide now on that day she had stayed the night at Steven's apartment the night before which was pretty common
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from from my understanding and she goes off to work she works nearby this is about maybe a 10 minute drive
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well she is texting Stephen because they had plans for a lunch date that day when
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he doesn't respond to those texts she decides well I better go to the apartment and check on him make sure he
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didn't lose his phone make sure everything's okay she gets to the apartment this is the tricky thing here
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no forced entry into the apartment but when the girlfriend Tamara arrives at the apartment
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the door is locked so she has to get the super and convince the super to let her into
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the apartment which she successfully does when she goes in then she finds Stephen
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having been stabbed to death in the apartment she calls 9-1-1 again small town so a
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very quick response time we have police and First Responders on the scene very quickly after she arrives back at the
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apartment that day well with no sign of force entry and the door being locked when they arrive it makes you wonder
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what kind of lock was on the door yeah it's difficult to say I don't know the exact specifications of the lock or the
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door itself other than to know that it required a key for her to get in when she found him that day the current
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detective which we did speak with is not the original detective that was there on
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the scene that day but that that would be interesting to know Captain how did the killer one gain access to the
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apartment and two then leave having left the door locked behind them now there's
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key things at this crime scene that we need to talk about so the weapon again described as a knife
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there's evidence and things at the scene that suggests that the killer brought the weapon with them to the crime scene
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the knife has never been found we've never actually received information or it's never been released
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to the public how many times Stephen was stabbed and there's details about this crime scene and details about
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the attack and his injuries that have never been released to the public so here we have the police holding back a
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good bit of information with the understanding of a few things that we believe that there was no forced entry
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to the home the weapon was brought to the scene there's also some things at the scene captain that it's a difficult
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scene for for police right this would be a pretty violent struggle Stephen was in
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good shape he was 36 years old he would not be easy to take down so one thing that we might have to consider here is
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the possibility of more than one person present or more than one person involved
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in the actual attack on Stephen there that day in his apartment police aren't willing to say one way or or the other
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if it was two people or one person that was there they do believe though that it's likely that there is some kind of
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involvement here where we have a situation where either somebody else knows what somebody did and who killed
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Stephen or Maeve even had some knowledge at the time prior to this attack think about his employment he's a male carrier
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so he is walking routes and carrying the bags of mail so like you said good shape
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and on his off time he would umpire Little League games so this guy has an active life like you said there is a
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good possibility there is more than one attacker yes police certainly not ruling
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out that possibility now one of the items that is of significant evidence here in this case is that a size 11 boot
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print was found at the scene and to be perfectly clear here Captain this boot print had to take place either
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during the attack or just after the attack so this person whoever this boot print belongs to is
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directly involved in this crime it's a bloody boot print so it's a suspect boot print that was found at the scene it has
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been reported that it's possibly a Timberland brand boot but to be perfectly honest here it's my
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understanding that the print itself while comparing it to other boots the the Timberland boot most fits or best fits
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this possible shoe pattern or the the sole of the boot itself right there are a couple of other brands that and
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similar styles that could not be 100 rolled out so while police are leaning on the idea that this is a Timberland
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brand boot it's certainly not 100 percent that it has to be a Timberland brand one thing that's very weird about
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this case too is that there had been some vandalism done prior to Steven's murder you have to look at this
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situation and go okay is this directly connected to the case or is it not so Steven had a white Nissan stanza which
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is like a small sedan and he would park this vehicle out on the street typically in front of the
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apartment building his tires were slashed approximately two months prior to his murder now this is very weird and
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of course this is going to jump right off the page to everybody right for significant reasons one this was a
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personal cause homicide this was something that was somebody had a beef with Stephen and and and attacked him
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and his apartment well that goes right hand in hand with somebody vandalizing his vehicle and then when we talk about
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him being stabbed to death entire slash well possibly a similar style weapon or the same weapon used here in the
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vandalism and then later in the the homicide well when first looking into this case I thought oh that's that's
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crazy is is it possible that just one of his tires were slashed and maybe it was an accident or maybe
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you know you got a flat tire I I have known some people that actually had a flat tire that were convinced that
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somebody slashed their tire but no and this scenario Steven had all four of his tires slashed and this was reported to
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police at the time right and what's interesting here is while we don't know 100 percent who slashed
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his tires when talking with detectives they believe that they know who who slashed the tires so the way that the
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the portion of this story goes is when Stephen reports this of course the first thing they ask him is going to be
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do you have any idea who would who would do this to you you know was this was this random was this some teenagers out
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pulling a prank or was this somebody that uh you're having a problem with and he named a person to the detectives
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and said this individual we've been having issues and I believe that it was this person that slashed my tires he's
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basing this off of verbal altercations that he's had with an individual as well as threats that were made when we say
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threats I don't know the extent of those threats Captain I don't know if this person threatened his life or threatened
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him with bodily harm or threatened to slash his tires but whatever the threats were and whatever the verbal
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altercations were that took place this is what led Stephen to telling police hey my tires were slash I'm I'm filing a
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report and I believe it was this person now Stephen was a very popular individual he grew up in this area this
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is a small town the village of Mamaroneck is a small smaller town in fact I want to say it was about 28 000
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27 000 would be the population around the time of his murder but he grew up in this town and this is the kind of town
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where you knew most of the people people in town and then given his job his occupation out there on his mail route
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he knew most of the people on his mail route as well in that nearby Larchmont and his mail route from my understanding
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Captain worked like this and this is pretty typical typical once you get a route you don't get
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rotated on and off of that route frequently you stay on that route for a good deal of time and like I said he's
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36 years old he's got years in on the job so he's had this route for a considerable amount of time he knows a
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lot of people in the area from having grown up there and his occupation as you pointed out he umpires baseball games
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and volunteers with the youth in the community coaching baseball and being a part of
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softball in the community so he knows a lot of people and he's a popular guy he's well liked but I think this kind of
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shows his personality a little bit too when he reports the tires being slashed and then tells police hey this is the
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person I believe did it he tells the police you know it's not a big deal I just wanted to have it reported you
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don't need to go talk to this person which of course they did in fact my understanding is this they don't go and
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talk to the person because of the requests that they get from Stephen at the time when he reports the vandalism
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but of course after the murder they go and speak with this individual yeah if somebody slashed
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my tires I'm gonna go take a [ __ ] in their sandwich the other thing now this could be directly connected or it could
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have nothing to do with anything at all here Captain but we can't we can't just not discuss this next item his
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girlfriend's windshield was smashed and I don't have an exact date for this but it's my understanding that this this
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vandalism took place before Steven's tires were slashed and Steven's tires on his white Nissan stanza were
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slashed approximately two months prior to the homicide yeah another interesting point to this case you have vandalism to
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Steven's car then you have vandalism that happened before that to his girlfriend's car and you wonder if those
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are connected and if those are connected then maybe they're connected to his murder I don't know if the windshield
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being smashed was reported to police I don't know if if it was if it was the same scenario where it was believed to
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be a person that they knew that they could could say hey and suggest we think it was this person who who did this but
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in a strange twist in this case police tell us tell the captain in the colonel that we have three to five individuals
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while we're not really ruling anybody out we've not officially cleared anybody publicly in the case we have three to
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five individuals that have separated themselves from everybody else and when we say separated themselves we
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mean they've put themselves on a short list of suspects here in this case three to five individuals
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the strange twist is the individual that is believed to have slashed the tires did not make it onto that short list
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of individuals that the police are interested in for Steven spina's case now I don't know what you found or what
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you were told but again when you're looking into this case and you hear that Stephen's car was vandalized four tires
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slashed obviously with a knife and he was murdered with a knife you go red flag well it could have been a box
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cutter or I mean right we don't know exactly what was used for the for the slashing of the tires but yes you're
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right it's a sharp weapon similar something immediately you jump when you hear of the the knife attack and you
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hear of the tires being slashed you immediately make that leap and go these two things have to be connected we say
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it all the time the timelines are so important and in this case it's even more important because we have such a
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small window so you'd have to have an alibi for that small window well and that's exactly the scenario here Captain
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we have but a three hour window when this murder had to have taken place and therefore if you go and you speak to
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suspect number one in the tire slashing incident and you can confirm that this individual was at work or was in another
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town or was somewhere where you have a lock down solid Alibi for this person then this person doesn't make it onto
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that short list of suspects and I'm guessing knowing the amount of people that police spoke to in the amount of
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people that were investigated in this case that that is what separated this individual and did not put them on that
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short list of suspects which would be frustrating if your law enforcement you would think you have a really good lead
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for telling a friend thanks for sharing these cases on social media cheers to you cheers to you Captain cheers to all
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the people out there in listener and land now this case is incredibly difficult for a couple of reasons it's
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one a little difficult to tell the story because we have that hold back information that is not providing a
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whole lot of details about the crime scene itself we have been told by law enforcement that this was a complicated
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crime scene and that they've had some some setbacks with it they are going through the testing or retesting process
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we should say there is a significant amount of physical evidence that was collected at Steven's apartment that
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evidence is being retested they're hoping to learn new information based off of those tests and that will
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be taking place within the next couple of weeks so we could be getting some big news here in Steven's case but without
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that big news or without somebody coming forward with additional information the
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way that this case looks now it's sitting there and it's it's pretty cold with the exception of the retesting of
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the evidence well at least there's some movement and hopefully those tests give us some kind of answer well in this area
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this Mamaroneck is a it's a village it's a small town as I said earlier we're looking at about 28 29 000 people in
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2007. the state of New York's homicide rate is lower than the national average the village of mamaroneck's homicide
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rate is well below that of the state of New York in fact most years the village of Mamaroneck experiences zero homicides
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and because of this as you can imagine Captain there are very few unsolved homicides left on the books currently
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they have three so this is personal when you have this type of scenario this is personal for the detectives and for
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the police department itself currently in 2023 they only have three unsolved homicides it's the kind of situation
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where you have the entire detective Bureau you have the entire police force everyone from the police chief all the
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way down through the ranks to the rookie cop all of them here knows every one of
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them knows of the three unsolved homicides that you have left here in Mamaroneck there's a female torso that
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washed up in Mamaroneck there's a male victim that was murdered in the 90s and then you have Steven spina's case the
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well-liked mail carrier that everybody knew so you have a lot of individuals with the vested interest in solving this
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case because it is a community it's a crime against the community and Stephen was one of the Beloved members of that
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Community currently there's a forty thousand dollar reward for information in this case some of that is coming from
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by the way of the family and some of that comes by the way of Crime Stoppers like you said Stephen lived on the third
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floor so do we have any more information about that location yes like I said here
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Captain most years experiencing no homicides in the area so the crime rate rather low it's mostly property crimes
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in this area Steven owned a third floor walk-up Co-op apartment at the Mamaroneck Gardens apartment complex and
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it looks like this is a freestanding red brick Garden style apartment his building was between Palmer Avenue and
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Boston Post Road and located at 300 richbell Road and as we said Stephen lived there technically he lived there
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alone to come complicate things a little bit we have his girlfriend Tamara who from my understanding they've been on
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again off again for about two years at this point in their relationship everything's going great this is one of
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the the high points of their relationship everything's going good they're getting along very well and she
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is staying most nights at his apartment now as said Stephen is also a father he's separated from his daughter's
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mother and his daughter Skyler she has her own bedroom at his apartment and Steven had
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a rule that he was pretty strict about he did not have his girlfriend stay the night on the same nights that his
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daughter stayed the night his daughter's mother is not on that short list is not a person that has separated
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themselves from everybody else police are satisfied with all of the information that they've received from
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her in fact it's well noted and well known in the community the relationship between Stephen and his ex
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it was it was a very good relationship and they had a very good setup as far as shared custody of Skyler went the a
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schedule that was working for both of them on both ends and also keep in mind this is not like a a recent separation
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or a recent split up this was a situation that they had been in for years prior to the homicide and this
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wasn't the only ex of Stevens that law enforcement talked to and it seemed like all of his ex-girlfriends had good
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things to say about Stephen and it didn't seem that there was any bad blood between any of his exes that's exactly
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right the the any time that he had a separation that for the most part people stayed friends and people still
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liked each other after they parted ways I think the suspicion here then falls into the category of the person who
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slashed the tires right this person as we know is not on that short list for police
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but you're going to have individuals Stephen was a popular guy he had been in and out of some different relationships
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and there is some thought that maybe this all has to do with jealousy that somebody that was either in a
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relationship with Stephen or was involved with somebody who was in a relationship with Stephen at some point
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that this that this may have to do with one of those relationships some type of Love Triangle
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that is believed to be the case here in this situation the the whoever attacks Stephen had personal cause to do so we
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talked about that boot print that was found at the scene now it sounds like no unknown fingerprints were found at the
00:36:50
scene and the scene was pretty bloody that's the best description I can give to you
00:36:57
the the boot print was a size 11 there that's That's a hardcore fact right there they're not saying 11 and a half
00:37:05
they're not saying ten and a half no they know the size of this boot print they believe that it's possibly from a
00:37:12
Timberland style boot our victim was stabbed multiple times but again nothing was missing from this third floor
00:37:19
apartment the small garden style apartment one of the things I can't get over is a couple months before his
00:37:25
murder his tires were slashed is it possible that Stephen told the police I think this is who did it but it was
00:37:33
actually somebody else well and because this is a suburb of New York City I'm envisioning this situation captain and
00:37:42
and very much thinking about Law and Order right where you okay you got the cops
00:37:48
now we we have a victim here a homicide victim here the detectives are out they're gonna go talk to this person who
00:37:55
Stephen believes slashed his tires and I'm kind of picturing this and it goes like this where the guy goes yeah I
00:38:03
slashed the tires but I I didn't kill anybody we've all seen that scene before or
00:38:08
similar scene on on something like Law and Order right but what I've been told here from the detectives that have
00:38:15
worked this case the individual that they spoke to that Steve had pointed them toward never
00:38:22
admitted to slashing the tires and certainly didn't admit to killing Steven Spina what their belief is they believed
00:38:30
that Stephen was probably correct about the vandalism that he had picked the right person and they have reasons for
00:38:38
backing that up we can't prove it you're exactly right we can't prove it 100 percent but I think that if the
00:38:45
detectives were actually getting paid to solve the vandalism incident that they probably would be able to solve it
00:38:50
however they're working a homicide and again while they're satisfied that they've identified the person that that
00:38:57
may be responsible for the vandalism they're saying that person is not on their short list of suspects well one of
00:39:03
the things that really frustrates me about this case is you would assume that the killer would have some blood on him
00:39:08
where are the eyewitnesses that saw a man with blood where is the security footage maybe from the apartment complex
00:39:15
or a local store I mean this is a small town down that would have multiple cameras why didn't we get somebody on
00:39:24
security footage well and that's just the problem here we don't have that eyewitness and so where we have a
00:39:33
situation where the time of day very likely can clue you into who should be a suspect and who should not be a suspect
00:39:42
it also in some weird way works toward the advantage of the killer because it's a Monday and most people were busy
00:39:51
they're off at work they're out doing their thing there's not a lot of not a lot of eyeballs just scanning the
00:39:57
neighborhood watching what's going on one set of eyeballs was a neighbor person that saw Stephen go out to his
00:40:06
car around 9 30 a.m that morning this person while we said almost nobody has been publicly cleared this person is not
00:40:15
a suspect and there's no evidence to that this person should be a suspect in fact this information is helpful to the
00:40:23
investigation and this person came forward so now we're dealing with a very short window of only three hours a lot
00:40:30
of people have suggested maybe the girlfriend his current girlfriend at the time should be a suspect and of course
00:40:37
she was certainly looked at here in this case police have not said if she's a suspect or not they've certainly not
00:40:44
publicly named his girlfriend as a suspect people are suspicious of her because she
00:40:51
lawyered up but there's there's a little more information than just girlfriend finds boyfriend dead and then lawyers up
00:41:00
she didn't lawyer up until about three or four months after and she was very Cooperative with police and detectives
00:41:08
early on in their investigation and when I asked the detective I said you know some people think that it's suspicious
00:41:16
that this girlfriend switched from being cooperative to not cooperative and then
00:41:20
lawyers up the detective wasn't going to offer up personal feelings or opinions about that
00:41:28
but was very open and honest when saying look it's not uncommon in our investigations for somebody to
00:41:37
cooperate for a period of time and then get a lawyer and be less Cooperative or not cooperate at all so while this may
00:41:45
look suspicious to Joe public out there this doesn't look so suspicious to the detectives that are actively
00:41:52
investigating this homicide well you can also get a lawyer from the beginning and
00:41:56
also be cooperative with police I just wonder if there's another reason why she ended up getting a lawyer is it possible
00:42:05
that they were asking her if there's anybody suspicious in her past and maybe she was getting fearful that she was
00:42:12
given too much information well sometimes people get scared and that could be the situation here it's it's
00:42:19
difficult to say I would love for her to explain to us her thoughts on it but if
00:42:26
she's not talking to detective she's likely not going to talk to us two guys here in the garage oh come on why not we
00:42:32
could offer a lawn chair or a nice cold beverage when we say some people get scared we know that
00:42:40
Skyler his daughter chooses not to live in this area and that is in large part because the person that killed Stephen
00:42:49
has not been identified not been arrested it's one of those tricky cases where you have some
00:42:56
people on the outside that look good and then you get to talking to detectives who have worked this case very
00:43:03
diligently they're telling you that look while we're we've not publicly named suspects
00:43:10
we have three to five that have separated themselves from everybody else and the person that we believe that
00:43:17
slashed the tires is not on that list his daughter's mother not on that list it doesn't sound like the the girlfriend
00:43:28
that his girlfriend at the time was on that list either it sounds to me like they were interested in some other
00:43:36
persons and again they can't rule out they're not saying was this one person or two people that were at the crime
00:43:44
scene when Stephen was killed so there's a lot of meat left on the bone here a lot more information that is needed to
00:43:54
take a good strong look at his case what's interesting too when you go back to the vandalism
00:44:03
incident is Stephen says that while he believes this person slashed his tires I assume that that meant that he this was
00:44:14
a a jealous ex of Stephen's current girlfriend or maybe Steven was involved with somebody that this person that may
00:44:23
have slashed his tires was involved with it's my understanding that while that might have been
00:44:29
a suspicion of this individual that Stephen told police at the time he was not involved with what whatever this
00:44:37
person suspected him of Stephen had not done he had not had a relationship or or
00:44:44
whatever this individual that slashed his tires believe Stephen had done or whatever he was mad at him for Stephen
00:44:52
told detectives that he did not do that he didn't have any involvement in that well I know there's a lot of Suspicion
00:44:58
around his girlfriend but she didn't work that far from the apartment but she was at work so you'd think that they
00:45:04
would know where she was at at the time of the murders she works about five to maybe 10 minutes drive from the
00:45:12
apartment right and from what we've been told is they don't have any evidence to
00:45:17
suggest that she wasn't where she said she was that morning right so that would be at work again a lot of the the
00:45:26
answers here and a lot of the information that is public in this case is vague and it's purposely done that
00:45:32
way to keep some of the information vague there's clearly something here in this
00:45:40
case that police are aware of that only the killer or Killers would would know and that's the information that they are
00:45:48
protecting and that is what will ultimately lead them to an arrest the interesting thing to me is that we
00:45:55
already have some individuals that have been separated from the rest of the herd
00:46:00
as suspects again they've not publicly cleared anybody not publicly naming any suspects I would be willing to wager a
00:46:09
hundred dollars here captain that there are people that they've air quotes cleared in their investigation they're
00:46:15
not going to go out of their way to publicly clear those individuals they're looking for information they're they're
00:46:22
still requesting information from the public they will be retesting physical evidence at the murder scene that will
00:46:30
be retested again this year very soon and that could come back with some information and yield some Clues to
00:46:40
really shrink that list of five potential suspects down to the two that did it are down to the one that did it
00:46:48
at that point we might have winner winner chicken dinner and they might have some DNA that they're able to test
00:46:54
or some even touch DNA you take somebody that was an ex-boyfriend of his current girlfriend
00:47:01
and and placed them at the scene they shouldn't be in his apartment and there what there is one individual in
00:47:09
particular that has not been named but has moved away from the area that is of concern that has
00:47:19
further complicated the murder investigation and police just want to remind everybody that there is no tip
00:47:26
that is too small in this case as we said this is an area that experiences zero homicides most years and in fact
00:47:35
they only have three unsolved homicides still on the books Steven spina's 2007 case is one of those three homicides
00:47:45
that is still unsolved everybody on the force is aware of Stephen's case he was a popular guy friendly guy well liked in
00:47:52
fact one of the detectives that was originally assigned to the case was very good friends with Steven Spina so well
00:48:00
Colonel I don't know if you've been on Reddit this week but we have become Reddit famous again one of the listeners
00:48:07
was pointing out in the Browns Chicken Massacre case how we seem to to be champion this hold back information but
00:48:14
then in other cases we haven't been champions of law enforcement holding back so much information well I think
00:48:22
that every case is unique and certainly it gets tough to really have a strong opinion on the finer details of those
00:48:32
cases until you know what the specifics are yes it's it's difficult because there are cases that you look at it and
00:48:41
you go why are they still holding back this information why won't they release more information and in fact in Steven's
00:48:48
case I I look at that this case and go I think that it may be helpful to have more info out there on this case
00:48:57
however I don't know what that information is so detectives know what that information
00:49:03
is and they're looking at it and they are deciding okay will this help us identify the person that that killed
00:49:10
Stephen Spina if the answer is no then there's no reason to release that information
00:49:18
so just like in the Delphi case one thing that the police were clear on here was they were saying the way that the
00:49:25
girls were killed is not going to help us identify the man that was seen on the bridge that day
00:49:32
that it's not helpful to the investigation things here in this case that are helpful are things like the
00:49:40
murder weapon was it brought to the scene did you find find the murder weapon the answers to
00:49:45
those questions yes we believe it was brought to the scene by the Killer and no we've not recovered the murder weapon
00:49:51
that is helpful information the number of times the the Stephen was actually stabbed
00:49:59
doesn't help us identify the killer at all so again it goes back to the idea of what is that information every case is
00:50:09
unique all evidence is unique to their cases and you have to review them one at a time when you review something
00:50:17
at like the Amy maholovic case and they come out with information and they tell me telling you something 27 years after
00:50:24
the fact on something that's very uh one of almost a one-of-a-kind item they're asking for for the potential owner of a
00:50:32
particular item well that yes it's helpful to identifying the the potential killer or
00:50:40
the suspect in the Amy mihalovic case however you're asking the public for their help on something that is 27 years
00:50:46
old right and so I think you can look at each situation and you can have a difference of opinion on
00:50:56
should they be releasing more or are we fans of holding back the information in the Browns case it appeared very
00:51:03
necessary there were a couple of items that they were convinced that the the only the killers were going to know that
00:51:11
case we saw how it panned out they ended up getting more than one confession from persons
00:51:18
that they did not try that they did not arrest they did not charge with the murders that hold back
00:51:27
information separated the confessions of the killers from the confessions of people that they just
00:51:34
really look they they got they got aggressive with them and they got confessions from people that they were
00:51:40
interviewing those confessions weren't correct and they knew that based off of that hold back information well I didn't
00:51:46
see the question on Reddit but somebody emailed it to me but it is a good question no that's a very good question
00:51:52
that's a very good question well very good question but I think a very good answer all these cases are so unique
00:51:59
they're almost like individuals fingerprints well and to segue this back into Stephen's case
00:52:06
look at the boot print that's something that's very specific that's something that we it's a size 11. someone at the
00:52:14
crime scene someone that was present during the attack and during the murder could be the murderer themselves
00:52:20
has a size 11 shoe a size 11 boot print that information was released to the public that is something that can help
00:52:28
identify the killer one thing that would be great and I really wish that they would be able to sort this out is if
00:52:36
they could come out and definitively say I think it's very responsible of them to
00:52:40
be saying it the way that they are but it would be great if they would be able to sort this out and definitively say
00:52:46
yes that came from a Timberland brand boot they can't do that because there there's
00:52:52
a couple of other boot prints that are so similar that they're saying we believe it's a Timberland but we can't
00:52:58
rule out one or two other possibilities here so that is a an identifier and so when we talk about hold back information
00:53:08
here we have a good piece of information that could identify the Killer and that
00:53:13
being the size of their shoe right again there's no tip that's too small detectives are welcoming any and all
00:53:19
tips and information if you have any information regarding the murder of Steven Spina and Mamaroneck New York
00:53:25
please contact the village of Mamaroneck detective Bureau at 914-825-8541 or you can call the New
00:53:35
York State Crime Stoppers tip line at 866-313-t-i-p-s there is a reward totaling forty thousand dollars for
00:53:45
information that directly leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Stephen's murder
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