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on Friday April 15 2005. Ray Greek Carr the district attorney for Center County Pennsylvania called into
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work saying he would not be coming in for the day he had skipped work to relax a
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little and take a drive through the pretty Countryside he planned to stop and do a little
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antique hunting and a few mom and pop stores along the way this was not terribly uncommon for Rey
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after all he was nearing the end of a very successful career and retirement was in sight
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the DA's office could survive a day here or there without Rey so playing hooky and just getting away for a while was
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well deserved as the sun went down and the day turned to night Rey's longtime girlfriend
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started to wonder when he would return it got darker and darker and yet she had not heard from him
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she tried his cell several times but he never picked up to tell her where he was
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she thought she had waited long enough so she called the local police department she told them what she knew
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the police explained that they knew Rey and he was responsible but we are probably dealing with here is
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it gotten late Rey must have decided to stay overnight maybe his phone was dead they would make a few phone calls and
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see what they could find [Music] the next day when the detectives in the first shift officers arrived at the
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office they saw the report stating Rey's girlfriend had called and said he had not come home
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after some checking they quickly discovered Ray was still missing he never returned nor called
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[Music] they set off in search of their missing district attorney they got their first break when they
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discovered his vehicle next to an antique shop in Lewisburg Pennsylvania after finding the car investigators
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calmed the area but found nothing no other Clues to suggest where Rey may have gone
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and there were no signs of Foul Play the district attorney had simply vanished and under some mysterious
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circumstances many different law enforcement agencies have looked in to raise disappearance
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over the years they have found a lot of Clues and a lot of strange actions leading up to the
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date that he went missing but nothing definitive I would tell you that he was never seen again
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but there are some that say different that they have seen Rey after April 2005. many have speculated that the
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prosecutor had made many enemies over the course of his long successful career and that someone may have wanted him
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dead but nobody has ever been found was he kidnapped taken away and killed elsewhere disposed of where he would
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never be found like some kind of mob hit seems like something you would see in a
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Hollywood movie and not something that would happen to Ray greekar or is there something else going on
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beneath the surface of this man's life could he have walked away from a good life he had worked so hard to create
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or could it have been suicide or maybe even something more sinister this is the story of Ray greekar The
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Vanishing managing Vanishing [Music] foreign Carr was born in good old Cleveland Ohio
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way back in October of 1945. he attended the University of Dayton where he became interested in studying
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law after working as an intern for the prosecutor's office from there he completed law school and
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became a prosecutor for Cuyahoga County at Cuyahoga County Ray specialized in Prosecuting rape and murder cases Ray
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married Barbara gray in 1969 and they adopted their daughter Laura who was born in 1978. Ray his wife and daughter
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moved to State College Pennsylvania around 1980. this is so Rey's wife Barbara could take a job at Pennsylvania State
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University Penn State this area is a really beautiful place ideal for raising a family safe and laid
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back I guess the plan Captain was that Ray was going to be a stay-at-home dad uh this is a you know new area to the
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family who had just moved there a career change for his wife that's always been my dream be a stay-at-home dad forever
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and ever yeah me too uh I tell you what I don't know if this was a short-term plan uh if they were just waiting for
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their Dar their daughter to start school right and then maybe Ray could resume his career in criminal law or maybe this
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was the plan until just the three of them got settled in I'm not certain but regardless at some point people started
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to catch wind that a very capable young prosecutor had moved to town yeah see my
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move would be kid gets old enough to go to school right the wife then says to me
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maybe you should be thinking about starting your career back right and I'd be saying well you're so
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beautiful and smart and and Powerful that you know I don't I don't want to disappoint you and I also need some time
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for me to find myself and that would happen for about 10 years what a good good friend of mine and he and his wife
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do not listen to the show so I can I feel I'm just gonna feel free to say this his kids he's a stay-at-home dad
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his wife is very successful his kids are getting older and he told me the other day he goes man
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I got to do something this stay-at-home dad stuff is driving me crazy I said oh cool you're thinking about going back to
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work he goes oh no no nothing so I don't know what it is that he's got to do but
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anyway we got a little sidetracked well this is a little side note there's there's not
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many things more sexy than a very smart um empowered woman there you go I thought you were gonna say there's
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nothing more sexy than a stay-at-home dad I was gonna warn warn the dance out there the captain's on the prowl hide
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the dads so anyway Captain Rey he had a reputation when he moved into town There's this capable young prosecutor
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that moved into town after some back and forth and probably some coaxing Rey has
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ultimately offered a job as the prosecutor's assistant Rey excels at this position and the prosecutor may
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have been planning a bit of an exit strategy and wanting to leave the county in good hands one might say he recruited
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Ray greekar and because of this that just a little under five years later Ray greekar was elected to be the district
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attorney of Center County Pennsylvania this was back in 1985. in 1989 after a successful first term Ray greekar was
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re-elected as d a in 1991 Barbara and Rey get a divorce in 1993 Rey is again elected D.A he gets
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married for the second time this took place in 1996 but something else happens in Rey's life in 96 a major event Rey
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has an older brother and this is Roy greekar Roy was still living in Ohio now Roy disappeared from his home in May of
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1996. apparently he was missing for about a week but then his body was later found
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in the great Miami River the authorities ruled Roy's death a suicide believing that he had jumped off a bridge and into
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the river taking his own life despite his brother's suicide he's going to actually have a lot of career highlights
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yeah that same year first he had a successful campaign to make the center County D.A job a full-time position in
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1996. I guess it was a part-time position when he was originally elected and anybody that's been in this
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situation knows that a lot of times when they create these government jobs that are part-time positions usually you have
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an individual that's working basically full-time hours for part-time pay and so it was good that he got this uh got this
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switch to full time there was also a famous case that same year and trial I should say uh for Rey
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in 1996 this was for a school shooting at the camp at the campus of Penn State Greek art prosecuted the perpetrator of
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the 1996 Hetzel Union building shooting at Penn State this was when a 19 year old girl opened fire with a rifle in the
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middle of Campus on September 18 1996. 19 year old girl yeah the the report said that she fired at least five
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shots from a rifle with a telescopic uh telescope site around 9 30 a.m that morning from the front of the union
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building this is interesting because I don't know if I've ever heard of a school shooting that was actually done
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by a female well and this was I I'm not familiar with the campus but I guess near this Union building is considered
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one of the busiest areas for pedestrians and students to be walking around it's a
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beautiful campus the shots sent hundreds of students and teachers scattering this
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killing one student and wounding another before she was tackled while trying to reload the gun the woman that was firing
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the rifle this is Jillian Robert Robbins lived nearby the state college but she was not technically a student at the
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University it said that Miss Robbins had a history of mental problems the student that was
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killed was Melanie spala she was a 19 year old from Pennsylvania there was another person that was wounded in this
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attack and there was one student that escaped injury when a book in his backpack stopped a bullet from piercing
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him uh-huh what was that book called I don't know they don't tell you these things when
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you read the newspaper articles but there what they did tell me was there's an aerospace engineering student this is
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Brendan milov he tackled Mrs Ms Robinson as she was putting a second ammunition clip into the rifle now as the two
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struggled she tried to stab him with a knife but she ended up she ended up stabbing herself in the leg instead
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but being a truly good guy this guy should get like multiple Awards not only did Brandon stop the attacker from
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shooting more people and more students yeah after she had stabbed herself on accident he stood up he took off his
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belt and he used it as a tourniquet to to help save her life as well she ended up being hospitalized in serious
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condition but survived yeah which Rey would go on and prosecute her then probably because of that prosecution he
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ended up being reelected in 97. now this next part most of you may not be familiar with this portion of the story
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but there is a name in here that I'm sure a lot of you have heard before Hulk Hogan in 1998 Ray greekard declined to
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press charges against long-time Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky yeah following allegations of
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sexual abuse of a minor now it's not just as simple as that you know it's not just as simple that he declined to press
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charges there was a full investigation there it may have and probably was more more likely that he was unable to press
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these charges due to lack of evidence but this is something that we will get into more during both this episode and
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the next and Rey was a little bit of a local celebrity I mean they would see him on the news a lot I mean you see
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this a lot of times with uh lawyers or or detectives in the area yeah he would be on local news stations quoted in the
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the newspaper and because he was a very successful prosecutor in 1999 Greek art appeared on the Discovery Channel show
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the FBI Files now I'm not certain which case that they were discussing on there I wanted to go back and watch it but
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we're working on a bit of a time crunch this week Captain so I didn't get a chance to do that yeah somebody feels
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the need to take vacations well it's there's like a foot of snow outside and it's super cold and I'm gonna go
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somewhere to wear that here I'm going somewhere where that's not happening buddy later Ray and his second wife
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split up this took place in 2001 1. a year or two later Rey moved in with his girlfriend Patty they worked together or
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had worked together at one time he would later be re-elected he was re-elected I'm sorry four times total
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before announcing that he would not run for re-election in 2005. yep it was 2004 when greekar announced
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he would not run for re-election and he would actually retire from the D.A job yeah Ray was turning 60 in 2005 and his
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retirement would be just shortly after his 60th birthday so a very good and long run career as the D.A of a great
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place to live and you know going through his life gives you the feel of who Rey was and what kind of guy he was kind of
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the All-American boy who grows up to be the All-American man you know serving the community he's a husband and a
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father he has he's a husband multiple times yeah a couple of times we need to talk
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about April 15th Captain April 15 2005. that's a Friday well at 11 30 a.m Ray gray Carr called
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his girlfriend Patty to let her know that he was driving through the Brush Valley area Northeast of Center Hall
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yeah according to the police chief this is Dwayne Dixon Greek our last spoke to his girlfriend Patty around 11 30 a.m on
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that Friday the longtime district attorney had planned to go into the office around noon that day but instead
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he called his girlfriend who also works at the office and told her he was out for a drive along Route 192 in Penns
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Valley he told her he would not be in it all that day no one thought of this to be unusual
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though uh Patty didn't hear from him again on Saturday evening the state police located greekar's car a Mini Cooper
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parked in a small dirt lot near an antique shop and Louisburg Union County which is about 60 miles east of
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Bellefontaine there they learned greekar had been seen in the shop on Saturday afternoon
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Greek our's car was locked and there was no signs of Foul Play his cell phone was inside the car
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he has not been heard from since but we have some missing items here Captain they can't find this guy they find his
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cell phone in the car but there are some missing items the items that they did not find include Ray's laptop computer
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his car keys and his wallet now they found his car it was parked in the parking lot it was uh like a dirt lot
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okay so he's parked there but you would assume he was seen in the store that's why he parked his car there but this
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store was close to Bridges and remember his brother did take his own life by jumping off a bridge yeah and I guess
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that would be the first thing one of the first things that the family pointed out
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to police when they located the vehicle you know that this is wasn't something that the police were super familiar with
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right but you have you have the family that are going wait a second this is eerily familiar we've seen this before
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we have uh you know his older brother Roy having jumped off of Bridge vehicle found near two Bridges going
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over the saskahana river so oddly enough similar somewhat similar to how his brother's vehicle was found
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many years before now on Sunday the state police used a helicopter to search for over two hours along the banks of
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that river near where his car was found for any signs of Ray investigators used Bloodhounds to try to track and try to
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pick up some kind of scent but they they didn't find anything they started tracking his credit cards and his bank
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records to see if they had been used there were also they were also checking his computer files and his phone records
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the FBI had been called in to assist with some of those tasks in addition investigators were combing through Greek
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R's current and previous cases to see if anyone he's prosecuted could be holding
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a grudge against him now the police chief would would come out and say that there had been no recent threats against
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Ray greekar but he also said that there is no one Focus point for their investigation that
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they had no good leads early in this investigation now the next day we kept saying Saturday
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I actually believe this might have taken place on Monday morning but standing at
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a Podium was Laura greekar grasping a legal pad and she made a plea to her father she said hi Dad
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I want you to know I love you so much my heart aches deeply for your presence she
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told her father she would like to hug him and perhaps hike up a mountain together and just sit and talk for a
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while yeah she said that she will wait for him as long as it takes to hear from him
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now I want to point out Laura Greek are she lives all the way in Washington state so all the way on the other side
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of the country she comes here to help look for her father and make this public plea on television uh go ahead well do
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you feel like she's making this plea as if he's alive and he's running away so you would think that she would have
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some gut feeling that's telling her that this is the case and not Foul Play or whatever and then probably it's backed
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up by her mother telling her you know she she probably at some point said I'm gonna go to
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Pennsylvania and I'm gonna make this uh plea to my father and then her mother's probably going oh yeah that's a good
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idea so that's two individuals that that are close to them that think it's very possible that he just disappeared on his
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own yeah and when you have no signs of Foul Play that's the way you have to approach it and that's exactly what she
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did she finished her um her plea to her father hoping that maybe he would see that broadcast by saying I love you so
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much please call please call us now Patty fornicola that's Rey greekar's long-term girlfriend she also spoke
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briefly at that news conference she too directed her comments directly to Greek are saying Ray I love you very much and
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I miss you I want you to come home please call us we will wait as long as we have to and then at the conference
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Greek our he was he was described by others there as a Hands-On prosecutor who was dedicated to his job we have
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Mark Smith this is greekar's assistant first assistant district attorney he said that Center County was really
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blessed to have greekar here for all of those years Smith described his boss as a private person a very private person
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he kept his own calendar at work and he was passionate about the law typically Smith said Greek art keeps his cell
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phone with him at all times so he can stay in touch with the office even when he's on vacation
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once before they stated that greekar had took off for a day and a half this was when Greek our drove to Ohio
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for a ball game but in that instance no one had reported him missing now also mentioned was the death of
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greekar's brother Roy who went missing in may of 1996 in Westchester Ohio where we had said you
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know after a week his body had been found in the in the great Miami River his death was ruled a suicide by
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Drowning now there is information out there and this is a bit difficult I could find a statement from Rey's nephew
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and this was that the nephew Roy's son had stated that that Rey didn't believe this was a drowning that wasn't didn't
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believe it was a suicide that he had thought that there was other factors involved in his brother's death and the
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son Roy's son believed this as well now unfortunately we don't have Rey to tell us that that was his actual beliefs we
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just have Roy's son telling us that yeah [Music] all right we're back cheers me mateys
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cheers uh so we we talked about the things that weren't found in Ray's car right after his car was found but the
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thing that I think is one of the most interesting things about this whole whole case is what was found and what
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was found was some cigarette Ash yes and I wasn't I don't know if I've heard different reports but I also heard that
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there was a report that his car smelled of smoke yes both reports from my understanding are true so
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um we'll go through this kind of quick here his vehicle is found and it's one of those you know small Mini Coopers and
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inside we find his cell phone which we heard people from his office say even when this guy was on vacation he kept
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his cell phone on him so he could get in touch with the office we don't find the keys to the car and
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the car is found locked now inside the car is this cigarette Ash which is found on the passenger side but it's on the
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floor area it's not on the seat it's on the floor in the car the way that the police described it was like on the
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floor what's that the ashes on the floor yeah the cigarette Ash is on the floor so so picture it's almost like somebody
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was either a sitting in the passenger seat smoking a cigarette or B maybe he had his window down they weren't
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actually in the car and they were leaning into the car with the cigarette yeah I had a buddy one time he needed to
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me to pick him up in Pittsburgh okay which is like three hours away so so I pick him up and the whole ride home
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he was smoking and I didn't you know pay much attention he was just smoking in the car right and
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then when he got out of the car uh I looked down on their cigarettes ashes all over my floor and I realized
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he was just ashing on the floor oh that's nice and polite yeah I mean I give him I it was a six seven hour round
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trip for me and uh and that's how he repaid me so there's two things here I can't say for certain that there would
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have been enough Ash for one to believe that somebody was sitting in the passenger seat and just ashing on the
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floor like your good friend did or if it was just you know singer Dash has Nintendo just fall off the cigarette
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while it's burning but the way that the police describe the ash itself and then the smell first like I said it appeared
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either someone was in the car sitting in the passenger seat it was right in that
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area you know between the legs area or somebody was leaning into the car when we when the window was down with their
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cigarette inside the vehicle the smell was reported as the police said that it smelled to them
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like someone was smoking in the car like right before the car was you know before
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they exited the vehicle shut the doors and locked up the car almost like it trapped in you know actual smoke itself
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and it had sat there they're not really certain how long that car had sat there either which is the other thing to take
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into consideration okay here here's the thing and anybody that had smoked would probably know this if your buddy smoked
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and you rolled down the windows and he was just leaning in right and talk to you and there's some ash on the floor
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but not a bunch of Ash right so maybe a few Puffs he's laying in the car you're not saying anything because you know no
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big deal right right the person gets you know gets out of the window you roll up the window let's say the car
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sits for a day you open up that car you're not gonna smell smoke right you know I mean like so or but take the same
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scenario leaning in the car smoking gets out of the window rolls it up you find that car in the next hour or so yeah
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you'll smell it yeah it might smell I would think so but after a few hours of that situation
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you are not going to smell smoke now maybe if the individual's in the car with the windows up smokes a full
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cigarette let's say right and now now the the window is going to be longer maybe six hours afterwards maybe you'd
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smell a hint of smoke you see what I'm saying so that that's a big deal you know well it's important too because Ray
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greekar didn't smoke and not only did he not smoke but you know the the people that like hate smoke and hate cigarettes
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and hate smokers that was Ray greekar he did not he wouldn't have let somebody smoke in his car is what his girlfriend
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and his family members would say now we don't know that that's a certainty right
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and that's that's where it becomes a little different because you have buddies um you know that will smoke only when
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they drink you know but but when they're not drinking they're pretty against it oh you know somebody wants to smoke in
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their car they're going to say no right so you know this whole idea that he he definitely wouldn't let anybody smoke in
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his car um I mean I don't know him well enough and and maybe I should just go based off
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of what they're saying but there's a lot of people that I know that are quote unquote against smoking yeah until
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they're drinking and then they've had nine Bud Lights and all of a sudden they want a cigarette from you right well no
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yeah they become smokers all of a sudden yeah and usually dancers at that point too anyway uh but I think I think what
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the police are stating here is that you know we can't say for certain that he wouldn't if you know let anybody smoke
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in his car for any reason at all but the information they're getting from his family is that this is definitely
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something strange this is something that they should uh keep into consideration when they come out with the statement
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like there was no signs of Foul Play yes this isn't Foul Play but this is something definitely out of the ordinary
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where we've not seen anything out of the ordinary leading up to him going missing
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now the reporters we spoke in the first half about that news conference where we
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have Laura his daughter talking about him being missing and speaking to him like Hey Dad come home you know give us
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a call you know pick up a phone and give us a phone call the reporter is was stating after interviewing both police
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and gray Carr's family that he said you know obviously the police are investigating every possible scenario
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however it was the reporter's belief that Greek our's family seemed to be leaning toward the idea that Rey had
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taken off on his own now I do want to point out one interesting note before we go too far
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into maybe possible scenarios and some things that happened after his disappearance but one thing we should
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keep in mind an interesting note is that at the time of his disappearance Ray gray Carr was making over six figures
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um and remember we said that he was set for retirement he was planning to retire
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within the next year so just to kind of give you a general overview of his life and his situation at that time because
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you really have when you think about it there would be probably three major scenarios that we we should bring up
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here is it either a he was murdered and they haven't found his body be the suicide we've seen the family history uh
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with his brother maybe there was some depression going on maybe he chose to take his own life and then C we have the
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possibility of him walking away just just stepping out of his car and walking away or D
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right right so D would be the idea that you know his brother um committed suicide quote unquote but
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Rey believed and and then um Roy's son believed that maybe it wasn't a suicide but maybe a murder to
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set it up to look like a suicide so then you have this conspiracy aspect so did somebody uh plan to murder uh Rey and
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then try to make it look like a suicide or look like he disappeared uh because he wanted to leave
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yeah but they wouldn't murder him and make it look like a murder you know what I mean like no no but what I'm saying is
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you know he had he has reason to believe that his brother didn't commit suicide that he was murdered according to the
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nephew yes right and and also according to the nephew that that's what Ray believed so if that happened whoever
00:33:33
killed his brother could they be responsible for the fact that Rey went missing and and we'll have him park
00:33:39
close to these Bridges and if we do that that'll make it look you know maybe you
00:33:44
know he'll find his body in in the water and they'll assume suicide just like his
00:33:49
brother well and like we said Captain the cell phone was found it was recovered in the vehicle but the laptop
00:33:55
that Ray owned it was not recovered and it wasn't until July 30th of that same year that a fisherman uh had discovered
00:34:04
Rey's laptop computer this was in the river beneath the bridge between Louisburg and Milton a computer expert
00:34:14
analyzed the computer and they very quickly found that its hard drive was missing from the laptop
00:34:20
divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was located over the next several days but they found
00:34:28
nothing it wasn't until two months later that someone had recovered a hard drive
00:34:34
on the banks of the Susquehanna River just about 100 yards from the location of the laptop computer and investigators
00:34:43
believed that this was Ray's hard drive but here's the weird thing the the hard drive as you can imagine was quite
00:34:50
damaged and they did they did analysis by the FBI by the U.S Secret Service of all people and then a private firm which
00:35:02
attempted to recover data from the hard drive but failed to do so in 2009 this is this is weird in 2009 the police
00:35:15
revealed for the first time that before Rey went missing someone used the home computer now keep in mind this is at the
00:35:23
home of Ray and Patty house to perform internet searches on topics such as how to wreck a hard drive also how to
00:35:33
fry a hard drive and water damage to a notebook computer now I'm not certain of the dates of
00:35:42
these searches I I believe that there are people that have their theories out there on to win these this search took
00:35:49
place um but these searches were going down at the home of Ray and Patty and it's just
00:35:55
shortly before his disappearance and he takes off let's let's assume Ray takes off with the purpose of of leaving of
00:36:02
walking away or committing suicide right he purposely took off with that laptop computer and then we have these searches
00:36:09
on the home computer prior to this so now you gotta you gotta be thinking about a situation did did he leave
00:36:16
willingly take the laptop and want to fry the laptop for some reason or did Patty do something or have something
00:36:23
some weird involvement in his disappearance and she was searching how to fry his computer
00:36:30
uh in advance yeah to me I lean more towards it'd be Ray doing it yeah the the other thing too is that
00:36:39
there were several of his co-workers had later told police that they had had conversations with Ray that he was
00:36:48
inquiring about how to uh wreck his hard drive or how to clean let's say clean the computer that we need to keep in
00:36:56
mind this was not technically his laptop computer this belonged to the county so
00:37:01
one has to assume that once he retired he would no longer be in possession of that laptop he would have to return that
00:37:08
to to the county Okay so let's just Ponder for a second what is on the laptop why would he need to destroy
00:37:19
the hard drive well where my mind goes Captain is it immediately goes to just when they found the laptop and then
00:37:28
later found the hard drive my mind goes to who other than Rey would want to destroy that computer what would be on
00:37:34
that computer that somebody else would want to destroy it and I mean that because we're talking about a district
00:37:39
attorney we're talking about somebody that's probably got some dirt on some people and somebody that could have
00:37:46
have information in there that could lead to Future charges against an individual and put them behind bars
00:37:53
potentially it's not until it's not until that you later learned that there were searches on his home computer on
00:37:59
how to wreck the computer that one starts to think well why would Ray why would Ray want to destroy his computer
00:38:06
why would Patty want to destroy his computer yeah but again there's there's another step in the evidence chain as
00:38:13
one that searches at his home and then he asked people how to do this so we could like I said I'm assuming that he's
00:38:22
the one that did the searches himself because he's also asking people in public how do I get ready how do I
00:38:28
destroy this hard drive right well co-workers he's asking co-workers about that right and so
00:38:35
yeah I mean my okay so he's turning in the computer what could be on there I I question
00:38:43
would there be I think police their thought was that there was some kind of personal journal
00:38:48
on there that he had personal information about himself that he had put on the computer I don't know how
00:38:54
long he had been toting around this this County uh computer and what kind of information he was putting on there
00:39:01
maybe he was using it for personal purposes you know just as simple as paying bills or had financial
00:39:08
information on this computer that he wanted he didn't want the next person to to be able to to see it right or there's
00:39:14
hundreds of thousands of porn sites you know because it was he was using his uh work computer to beat
00:39:21
off that it could be that simple he doesn't want them to know he was using the computer at work to to beat off and he
00:39:29
wants to clear the hard drive all right um that's a simple that's a simple thing
00:39:35
it's yeah it's pretty simple too that he might have been doing some banking on their paying bills I'm talking about
00:39:42
anything personal that he would use the computer for uh is there a chance that there was some back and forth some
00:39:48
correspondence with his girlfriend on there mm-hmm because think about this he they
00:39:54
work together I mean maybe they use their uh County email to exchange some you know some uh some
00:40:04
naughty pictures maybe I'm not I don't even mean that I don't it possibly I mean anything's
00:40:10
possible we're talking about somebody that chose to destroy their computer and run away
00:40:16
um but what I think what I mean is just correspondence back and forth between the two of them of a personal of their
00:40:22
relationship yeah um this is what's weird for me is because it could be like I said just something
00:40:30
very simple you know and uh you know and it's banking here I did some pulling the Pud on here
00:40:40
you know some you know risque uh emails back and forth which that would be government servers
00:40:49
anyway so they could get into those if you wanted anyways Journal those are all simple to me my gut feeling is if he's
00:40:57
doing searches at home and he's asking co-workers or whoever that it's something bigger than that
00:41:05
yeah and I don't here's the thing a lot of people have presented the idea well maybe he's just gathering this
00:41:12
information because at some point he plans to retire like we said it's going to be within the next year and he just
00:41:17
wants to turn in the computer clean for whatever reason it could be innocent personal stuff that's on there
00:41:23
um but I do want to throw this at you more at least more than one of the co-workers that
00:41:29
told police that that he had inquired to them hey how do I clean sweep this computer before I turn it in
00:41:36
these same people at least two of them told the police that please keep in mind Ray greekar he was a very successful guy
00:41:44
incredibly intelligent and hard-working but he didn't know much about computers is what those co-workers had passed
00:41:51
along to police and meaning who knows what he what his plans were for that computer or what he thought was that
00:42:00
they would find right I think the other thing here too is uh you know he's a prosecutor so sometimes
00:42:09
you're asking these questions you know we we have a lot of conversations with detectives and private investigators
00:42:16
about cases and sometimes you just call them to go if I was to do this right I you know so he could be inquiring about
00:42:25
a case for all we know um but this is what what's weird to me is his connection with Jerry Sandusky
00:42:35
and the fact that we now have this pedophile that you know we now know went to jail and
00:42:43
um did horrible acts and what information did he have on Jerry um that might have been on his computer
00:42:51
yeah so uh before before we get into that Captain let's go through this real quick it was in 2011 uh in July that the
00:43:00
county actually declared Ray Greek are legally dead you know they had not he had not been around for six years at
00:43:07
this point yeah and a day after the judge declared Ray Greek our legally dead this is very strange the police in Utah
00:43:15
arrested a man who resembled Ray greekar and this guy actually refused to reveal
00:43:21
his identity to the police and he was only being charged with a misdemeanor so they this John Doe who resembled Ray
00:43:30
Greek are not only in look but as well as height and weight and some even say that he had the same wrinkles on his
00:43:38
face uh that Ray greekar had the similarities caused an internet sensation you know people armchair
00:43:47
detecting looking for Ray greekar and there was a lot of speculation that they had actually found Rey but it took some
00:43:55
time after some sending copies of fingerprints back and forth that they determined that that was not regard that
00:44:02
was arrested in Utah um sure so nevertheless the fingerprints that they sent out did not trigger a match in that
00:44:13
situation what you were getting to though sure also something that occurred in 2011 was Jerry Sandusky was arrested
00:44:20
and charged by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office on multiple counts of child sex abuse charges
00:44:27
now we need to go through this a bit I think I don't want the whole Sandusky case to hijack the show but I believe
00:44:34
it's important part of this case and for some of our good people out there they may not be familiar with this case
00:44:41
especially our International garage Army members so okay so for those let's start at the
00:44:49
very the most simple part of this for for people that are unaware so Penn State is a is a college as we had said
00:44:56
in the state of Pennsylvania now college football for people outside of this country college football is arguably the
00:45:02
biggest sport or one of the biggest Sports in this country it's a huge it's a huge Money Maker uh it's huge for the
00:45:10
uh universities a lot of these players go on to have careers in the NFL where they make a lot of money so we're
00:45:16
talking big dollar stuff here now Jerry Sandusky would have been an assistant coach to Joe Paterno who was the head
00:45:23
coach for a long-standing time at the state of uh at the College of Penn State now
00:45:30
there had been some rumor that that Sandusky was molesting boys and these would be
00:45:38
I don't have the ages in front of me but I'm guessing if I remember correctly would probably be about boys like age 11
00:45:45
to maybe 14 or 15. yeah and Sandusky was your typical pedophile uh and what I mean by that is he was the
00:45:56
type that he was going to use his position of power to put him in a situation where he could gain the trust
00:46:04
of some of these young men and boys and then he would use that trust to to turn against them and and do horrible
00:46:13
things to them right he he ran a charity and I believe the charity was called Second Mile I'm not positive on that
00:46:21
Captain but I think it was called Second Mile and the the simplest explanation of
00:46:26
this charity was it was an organization that was set out to um to take a look at troubled youths and
00:46:35
try to put them on the correct path to give them a second chance so to speak and so in 1998 was when the first
00:46:43
Rumblings of this come about we have two boys that made claims against Jerry Sandusky and this was the case that Ray
00:46:50
greekar worked yeah he worked this case trying to get I question how much evidence there was
00:46:57
because it appears to me like he he was trying to get some kind of confession from Jerry Sandusky and Sandusky said
00:47:05
some things that were a little incriminating but they were very cryptic they were uh what he did was
00:47:13
they took Greek R I'm sorry Greek art took Sandusky and one of the victims mothers and put them in the same room
00:47:21
together and at some point this is kind of mind hunter-ish you know on my mind Hunter
00:47:26
they always talk about how to set up the interrogation room and how to handle to
00:47:30
kind of manipulate the suspects and things in the background yeah so Greek are set it up so that the plan was this
00:47:36
that he was going to direct questions to Sandusky and at some point he wanted the
00:47:42
mother to interject and kind of take over the questioning and stab him in his throat so the mother asked Sandusky
00:47:51
something to the effect of uh all right so this is weird they were they were in a shower together which should never
00:47:57
have happened to begin with that alone interrogation no no the boy one of the boys in Sandusky were in a shower
00:48:06
together nope so from what happened what typically happened with Sandusky from my
00:48:12
understanding is there are several incidences where he would be at a high school you know players that play at
00:48:19
high school level or he would take these trouble youths to the Penn State football facilities and they have
00:48:27
showers there you know and he would do these fake practices or whatever and then there would be a shower session at
00:48:32
some point it would typically be during the shower session that he would start to molest
00:48:37
the boys so the mother at some point interjects with the question of when you were in
00:48:44
the shower with my son seeing him did that excite you and I think that question really threw
00:48:51
Sandusky for a curveball because he he almost confesses there he says something like
00:48:57
I don't know yes I guess like he gives like a weird answer like that like he's like really kind of thrown off by the
00:49:04
question and then he immediately says something to the effect like well she she says like well did you molest him
00:49:09
and he says no I didn't but I'm I'm sorry and I I wish I were dead so it's it's this weird thing that's
00:49:17
like Greek art leaves this meeting I mean when you leave that meeting you know like this dude did this stuff yeah
00:49:24
he just didn't say anything that really is going to get you get you a conviction
00:49:29
and unfortunately this is a guy that's of prominence too and I hate to say this but we know this to be the truth in most
00:49:37
situations usually people on a position of power sometimes it takes a little more to
00:49:42
convict them than it would some low life like me in the garage yeah um yeah I want to compare yourself
00:49:48
to it I wouldn't call me a low life when you when you're talking about that group
00:49:52
but the fact of the matter is is at this point and based off of the interrogation based
00:50:00
off uh the transcripts I'm sure at some point um that Rey was taping this this information should have went to Penn
00:50:07
State and they should have said here's what here is what's happening Jerry is not gonna no longer gonna work for us
00:50:14
for one because we have young boys that go into the college program 18 19 year old boys
00:50:23
so you're not going to be around them not going to be around any athlete showering you're not going to work for
00:50:28
us and also those connections with the charity and you helping out kids we're going to put a kibosh on that too and
00:50:35
that's what should have happened yeah what will happen but that's what should have happened well it gets worse because
00:50:41
I believe it was the following year after these allegations first came out the Jerry Sandusky retires from his
00:50:49
position as a coach at Penn State yeah now upon retirement he still I believe he was the founder of that second mile
00:50:56
charity of that Foundation yeah and Penn State allowed him to keep an office at the at their facilities where he
00:51:05
continued to use their facilities to gain the trust of these boys and then later molest them so this continued for
00:51:12
many years so for those of you out there that are not familiar with this case we're talking about a guy that was later
00:51:18
convicted of multiple multiple counts where we have lots of victims over a long history of time the guy I believe
00:51:26
was sentenced to 30 to 60 years and I think he was in his mid to late 60s when he was sent in so thank God we're we're
00:51:34
seeing a guy that will not get out of prison on his son was charged as well yeah and and the reason why this is so
00:51:41
big so for those of you not familiar Ray greekar worked in the county of Penn State where that where that college is
00:51:50
that college is the biggest thing in that area that college runs that town right let's put it this way that is your
00:51:56
cash cow and then you're God you're God bigger than bigger than the President right
00:52:03
bigger than any world leader in that little town is the head football coach and so that's
00:52:12
where this becomes really shitty because of money and because of a football program I think some a lot of this was
00:52:21
swept under the rug and that's complete horseshit well and there's plenty of evidence I don't want to get into a
00:52:27
whole debate about this portion of it but there's a lot of evidence out there that uh it's obvious that certain
00:52:33
members of the Penn State University knew that this was possibly going on and they kind of turned turned a blind eye
00:52:41
to it yeah and kind of acted like nothing bad was going on and they let this monster
00:52:47
um victimize these children repeatedly for years and and so what I was wondering is um
00:52:55
I think it was his son Jerry sandusky's son that he had and maybe Jerry was also
00:53:00
hit with uh having child pornography on his computer so what I'm wondering is what what let's
00:53:08
just say hypothetically what if Rey went to some people said can you help me with
00:53:12
this can we get something on Jerry and they could have simply said you know we got these files from him here's the
00:53:20
files and then Rey opened them up and then couldn't you know how do you explain away that file
00:53:27
that's interesting see I'm saying and so that's why I wondered like to me like again is it is is it a kind of a gross
00:53:37
thing that this guy would be using his work computer at home to you know jerk off or whatever
00:53:42
yeah but you can explain that away right like well you don't want to have to you
00:53:49
don't want to but I'm just saying that I'm just saying that like if you turn in stuff like that or you turn in you know
00:53:55
a diary yeah I don't know to me there was a reason he's asking people and it had to be
00:54:02
darker I think and it could have been just as simple as a private investigator said we got these files on him you got
00:54:09
to take a look at them to see if they're incriminating right and he could try to
00:54:15
explain that away but that that would be maybe a little more difficult well and with regarding
00:54:21
the Sandusky thing you know the thing that the reason why this case is always linked to the Sandusky uh crimes is
00:54:29
simply this you know people have often wondered if if there were so many people in powerful positions so many smart
00:54:36
quote-unquote smart people I don't want to label them as smart obviously right it turned a blind eye to what was going
00:54:42
on or what they thought could have been going on people also wonder where's the line then
00:54:48
when where do where does one stop to to continue to cover up this the misdealings of this powerful
00:54:55
man and and that's why this case has always been linked to that we have a guy that
00:55:01
goes missing in 2005 we have Rumblings that start in 98.99 that this stuff is going on and and it wasn't until 2011
00:55:10
that everything is brought to the light so was it covered up again in 2005 was was it was this going to be brought to
00:55:18
light in 2005 and somebody stopped somebody stopped that from happening now it was uh I want to continue on
00:55:25
Captain because we got one more item that I want to make sure we get to before we run out of time today but in
00:55:30
2015 there was some information that came out and this is just full of bad this is just all kinds of bad right here
00:55:39
so in 2015 I believe it was September there's an unnamed individual that comes forward and he is telling the
00:55:49
authorities this is an FBI informant who is a former Hells Angel member of the motorcycle gang
00:55:58
he tells the FBI that Ray greekar has been murdered that he was murdered back in 2005 and he was
00:56:06
murdered by another member of the Hell's Angels okay so the way this thing works is like this
00:56:14
apparently this FBI informant former Hells Angel guy he believed that the guy that he was accusing was was dead by
00:56:23
this point so if this dude was afraid of this dude or what I don't know why he waited to tell the FBI this but but I'm
00:56:32
assuming he was afraid of this guy and thought that he was dead he would later find out during the
00:56:39
course of this investigation and the information that he's providing that this guy was actually in fact he
00:56:46
was still alive and he was in another state now I don't know if this guy that he's
00:56:51
trying to turn in is still a Hell's Angel member I don't know you know I don't know who he is
00:56:57
right he does he remains unnamed to this day but why what was his motivation for
00:57:03
killing rape B apparently the the member that killed Ray greekar Ray greekar had had prosecuted this guy
00:57:12
a long time ago and apparently it was for just some kind of assault charges it wasn't for like
00:57:20
the you know it wasn't for something huge you know it wasn't like a big crime but apparently the uh
00:57:26
the guy felt like he was wrongfully prosecuted not that he was guilt you know not that he was innocent of these
00:57:33
charges but that they gave him some extremely lengthy sentence for what he was convicted of right he didn't agree
00:57:39
with the sentence of of what he had done that be done by the judge well and I think that well I think the the state in
00:57:47
the county can recommend uh sentences or lengths of sentences right and anyway they uh apparently once this man got out
00:57:57
of prison he tracked down greekar and he killed him and he I guess he according to this guy he slit the throat of Ray
00:58:07
greekar and he took him out to this property and I don't I have no information of where this property is
00:58:13
this these reports are all very vague but he took an amount to this property and I guess there's a mine shaft
00:58:20
somewhere on this property if not multiple mine shafts and Ray Greek our's body and his remains were placed
00:58:28
somewhere in that mine shaft according to this FBI informant Rey's body's not the only one in that
00:58:35
mine shaft oh it's about it's a body shaft the problem the problem with this part of the story
00:58:42
though is is that he will not tell them where this mine shaft is located he starts to back out and I believe it
00:58:49
could be that once he found out this guy's still alive he said all right I'm not cooperating anymore there are a lot
00:58:56
of people out there though and a lot of people in law enforcement that believe that this might just be some kind of
00:59:02
false confession and I don't know what the uh the gain would be I don't know what the reason for it well you said he
00:59:09
was a FBI informant that also was a Hell's Angel right yeah he was a one-time Hells Angel
00:59:16
member if not still to this day we don't know I'd just say the the psychology that goes into having to be in those
00:59:24
environments could mess with you a little bit to be on both sides of the fence yeah
00:59:30
well a lot of times though that's the misconception that I think some people have that actually a lot of times these
00:59:37
informants that's what they are they are on both sides of the fence they're they're playing the good and they're
00:59:42
playing the bad um and and it also makes me one's mind it could mess with with some someone's
00:59:50
mind it also always makes me question their credibility well right because your job is to alter reality you're
00:59:56
trying to alter the reality of the bad side or the good side and so therefore your reality can become fuzzy and like I
01:00:05
said it's just all kinds of bad because if in fact this confession these statements are true the ray gray car is
01:00:12
dead and he's he's in a place where they may not find him until somebody points this out to them
01:00:18
if it's not true then we've just got another a bunch of information that leads nowhere or right it doesn't matter
01:00:26
yeah in this case it's just crazy because it's one of those cases where you have several different scenarios
01:00:32
that could have happened with Gregory Carr he could we could be talking about suicide we could be talking about he
01:00:38
walked away or somebody killed him and there's a conspiracy there's information to point you in either of those
01:00:45
directions and in all four of those directions and there's certainly evidence out there to talk about more
01:00:51
theories than just what we covered here today and to do so on the next episode we asked James Renner our good friend is
01:00:58
he the only guy that's returned that's come back to the garage multiple times the rest of them are dead the rest of
01:01:05
them rest of them didn't want to see they're all in the body shaft but we we asked our good friend James Renner to
01:01:12
sit down and talk to us about the ray Greek our case because this is one that he covered back in the day and he spent
01:01:18
quite a bit of time he worked for a newspaper I believe and a lot of people know him from the mara Murray
01:01:23
disappearance and have some strong opinions uh good and bad for Mr Renner we are on the good side obviously but
01:01:30
we've asked him to talk with us about this Greek our case because this is one that he looked into for quite some time
01:01:36
and he got a bunch of information and theories from some of the locals well he's just a very interesting guy to uh
01:01:44
pick his brain and the fact that he covered this case made it even more interesting and the the great thing
01:01:50
about him is he didn't hold back on some of the crazier theories he and not saying that he believes in them he just
01:01:58
kind of lays them out for everybody so join us in the garage here tomorrow with our good friend James Renner
01:02:04
foreign [Music] thanks for listening thanks for telling a friend until next time be good be kind
01:02:15
and don't litter thank you