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[Music] [Music] he the family of a teenager murdered 34 years ago is making a new plea to solve
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that crime they are frustrated now at the progress on the case and demanding answers from investigators ttv's Chuck
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strickler has more on their new push for justice well it is one of the oldest unsolved murders in Franklin County we
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talked to the family of Bill cin a month ago on the 34th anniversary of his death
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and today Bill's sister continues to post tweets like these as if Bill were talking from beyond the grave and she
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has only one goal to never let Bill's voice go silent I never wanted to be a best kept
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secret for 34 years I don't have a clue then or now Kathleen Kine speaking for her brother Bill a battle she says is
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going nowhere he's not just a box of files sitting on a shelf Gathering dust you know he had a future he's 14
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years old he had his whole life ahead of him somebody decided to end it Phil means was found just down the street
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from his house on January 7th 1980 years have passed the case has grown cold and
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she feels even today her family has been left out in the cold it's frustrating trying to get answers trying
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to get somebody to return phone calls return emails to get some kind of information here's one to the Franklin
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County Sheriff's Department says please don't give up on me now the cin family says there were certain pieces of
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evidence found here at the murder seen a knife a beer bottle and what could be the most significant Bill's scarf that
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was used to strangle him now a body fluid was found on that scarf and the family says it was supposed to be tested
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for DNA last year but they are still waiting for answers there's got to be somebody that can do something there's
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no reason to stop there's always going to be some hope and she will continue to pressure and publicize her plight in
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whatever way she can as the Battle For answers goes on to find Bill's killer if my murderer has tormented you for
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decades and deep down you know what happened to me share now Franklin County Sheriff Zack
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Scott tells me that the DNA sample in question is so small that if they use it once to test it may be gone forever and
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that's why they are taking extra time to review it he says his detectives will continue to work the case Kathleen says
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an email from a detective promises a follow-up meeting with a family she says she hopes that happens in the meantime
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these tweets she says will continue [Music] on the evening of January 7th 1980 14-year-old Bill coin is helping his
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father work on the family car he went two doors down to get his sister to walk home from a birthday party
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this is Bill's little sister Kathleen who is only 9 years old however the party was not over Kathleen does not
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want to come home yet and ask Bill to come back and get her later right so good like a good older brother he's
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going to come home and then he's going to tell his parents hey I'll go back and get her later no big deal and I think
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the way that this thing went down Captain is that Bill's Father Robert and his mother they the three of them were
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supposed to go to the mall that evening while Kathleen was at this birthday party now they didn't go to the mall
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because the family car was not running properly uh and at this discovery his father Robert and Bill decide that
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they're going to stay in the garage and work on the car MH now throughout this night bill will be helping his father
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and he even brings his father a cup of coffee um his two brothers he has two older brothers they're at home at this
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time along with their mother all are presumably in the house now after bringing his father a c a couple coffee
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for the second time Bill goes out to the goes out of the garage and goes to the front porch front yard area of the
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property well let's talk a little bit about this neighborhood I mean so this is Columbus Ohio so we're pretty
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familiar with this but those of you that aren't uh if you ever seen the show The
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Wonder Years M um now that show was set back in time a little bit but similar uh
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neighborhood yeah I actually lived in this neighborhood at one one time for about a year or so and you've been out
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there to visit me during this time and it's a small neighborhood uh and to describe it to everyone the the best way
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I would describe it is there's very few what I would call like straight roads it's a lot of winding roads through this
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neighborhood and all the houses are they're smaller homes um and probably were built in the 60s and late 60s I
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would guess um but that gives you a picture of this neighborhood small homes windy roads the homes are pretty close
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together yeah when I was first looking into this case I I thought there would probably be some confusion cuz you know
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this happened on a Monday mhm but there was a birthday party yeah well so what's
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up with that yeah it's a strange evening to have a birthday party in my mind but
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take note of this people out I'm I'm being honest shooting from the hip here cuz there are some parents out there
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that are like you know what my kid was born on January 7th we have the party on January 7th you know what take into
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consideration all your guest and do this thing on the weekend please yeah I I don't know if that happens as much
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anymore but okay so it's it's Monday night working on the car last time they see Bill is he delivers this cup of
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coffee and they're probably trying to settle in for the night M and you they have work and school the next day so uh
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where's Bill well exactly because Robert is done Bill's Father Robert is done working on the car at some point he
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comes inside he talks to his wife he expects to see Bill inside the house Bill's not there m you know she says the
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obvious thing oh I thought was out in the garage with you no he must have went back to collect Kathleen from this
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birthday party right they go down to the birthday party Kathleen's there bill is
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nowhere to be found they call this into the local police department now we said this was we said this is Columbus Ohio
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but this is outside of 270 so 270 is the outer belt freeway that goes around Columbus Ohio this is what would be
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called the West Side um and it's typical back in these days that a small Police Department called New Rome uh might have
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actually been the police officers that would have responded to this call right so we have a 14-year-old boy missing and
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it's believed his father would later report that they believe that bill was probably last seen about 20 minutes or
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so before they realized he was not at the house right so not long after they report him missing the police are there
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they're going to surveillance the whole area for uh I I believe 9 45 or so yeah around 9:45 the police are on the scene
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looking through the neighborhood Billy's father and a neighbor and Billy's two brothers would end up finding Bill near
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train tracks at the end of a deadend street uh bill is lying face down in a snowy ditch his winter scarf is knotted
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tightly around his neck and he is unconscious uh this spot strange enough Captain is only about two blocks away
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from the family's home and as we said this is near train track so he's lying face down amongst you know trash beer
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bottles Rusty car parts that sort of thing uh Bill's brother Mike using a pocket knife cuts the scarf from Bill's
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neck uh Bill's father and older brother Bob perform CPR on the young man until the ambulance arrived bill was
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transported to a nearby hospital uh the hospital this is called Doctors West uh it's maybe just 2 or 3 miles away so a
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very quick drive to the hospital H but unfortunately at the hospital bill is pronounced dead uh this would be around
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11:00 p.m. at night the cause of death was listed as strangulation law enforcement says other than the
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strangulation there were no other signs of violence or a struggle nor was Bill robbed upon arriving at the hospital law
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law enforcement was working with two theories either bill was murdered or this was some kind of suicide now it
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wasn't in till April 22nd that they were I don't even think they even said suicide too I mean wasn't at some point
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they thought it was possibly an accident yes you are exactly right but but upon arriving at the hospital these are the
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two theories that they're working with uh it wasn't until April 22nd that they released the coroner's report the
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coroner ruled the the death of homicide uh the cause of death was actually you know I said strangulation earlier but
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the cause of death was actually Cardiac Arrest due to compression of the neck by
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ligature mhm um you know what does that mean okay so basically he has a heart attack because there's extreme trauma to
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the body you know you're cutting off the airway he's unable to breathe and this this brought Upon This Heart Attack that
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ultimately killed him right but that's probably by more Force than if he accidentally you know tightened the
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scarf around his neck too tight mhm it would probably because you know a lot more force on the neck might cause caus
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that heart attack is yes is that correct yes well I but I also want to touch upon
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something real quick here um you know we said that this he went missing and was found unconscious on in January of 1980
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it wasn't until April late April of 1980 that the coroner's report was released now I've heard a lot of people and read
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a lot of people stating that you know oh it's the 1980s they didn't really know what they were doing back then and this
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was the cause for the delay of this Coroner's report I actually don't believe that to be the case at all I
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think that they probably knew very quickly within days of him arriving at the hospital of what was the manner of
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death uh I believe that what actually happened here Captain was there may may have been a dispute between the
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sheriff's department and the coroner as to the cause of death is there any other
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findings that the coroner finds yes uh a toxicology report shows volume in Bill kin's blood but other than that there
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are no signs of personal drug use by the 14-year-old now law enforcement are not
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sure how Bill got the volume or why it was in his system the coroner uh publicly declares the death a very
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bizarre case and we're going to see why very quickly because it was quickly reported after his death after the young
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man's death that on two previous occasions uh the first being in September and then again in October of
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1979 bill was attacked by two unknown males and he was choked on both of these occasions Bill coin as we said he's 14
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years old and I want to paint a picture of Bill for you now 14 sounds very young
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I've seen pictures of Bill and Bill is 6 foot tall about 175 lbs uh he's a freshman at wesland high school he's you
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know from all accounts he's the the teachers say he's a perfect student his parents say he's a perfect child um he
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play play the piano he was in the school choir he was a newspaper boy yeah he he
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had a newspaper route for some time now I do want to touch upon this uh 6ot tall
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175 lbs because I've seen pictures of Bill he does not look 14 years old to me he he looks 17 or 18 He looks almost
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like a grown man you know when you picture a freshman in high school you you typically don't think to see
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somebody 6 foot tall 175 lbs so he's a he's a tall big kid let's talk about these attacks that took place in
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September and October of 1979 now Bill received some threatening notes at school it's reported that he
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received three to four notes that were found in his locker these were given to detectives eventually uh some of these
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were typed some were written and some were cut from pieces of magazines now Bill's best friend and his girlfriend
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also received a note in their lockers these notes were typed in red ink one saying that blood will spill um another
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saying it's bill has three months left so P.S make the best of it the the note that said that Bill had three months
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left is the note that was delivered to his girlfriend's Locker well it seems like somebody has way too much time on
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their hands the other thing Captain there is one note that was found at wesland high school after Bill's death
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that says you are next signed with a red s this is according to Bill CO's parents
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but I also want to state that the wait wait hold on a second so there was another note that was delivered after
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his death that says you are next we don't know if it was delivered after his death it was found at the high school
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after his death now the tricky thing here is so it wasn't delivered to anybody is that's what I'm trying to get
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at um I here here's where there's a big problem there's little details about this note and that is because we have
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Bill kin's parents saying that this this note was found after his death at wesland high school we have the
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sheriff's deputies who would not discuss this item nor would they confirm even having found this right so we don't even
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know if it exist so it's yes it's in big big time dispute here whether this this
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thing was real or not play the base big time so I want to talk about these assaults the first took place on a
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Wednesday this is September 5th 1979 at approximately 8:30 p.m. bill was on his way home from a friend's house he
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decides to cut through the woods behind an elementary school bill is on his bike
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he's riding his bike he's on a trail that's about 50 yard behind the school when he is knocked off of his bike by
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what he would say is two men that were unknown to him um they approached him from behind once they attacked him they
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tie a plastic garbage bag over Bill's head and wrap a bicycle inner tube around his his neck Bill almost blacks
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out from this attack but eventually he starts to break free before he can black out when he when this happens these two
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dudes that attacked him in the woods took off when Bill gets home he has obvious signs of bruising uh the police
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are called regarding the attack the attack is reported but the the police go to the scene they find Bill's Bike uh
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they find the inner tube and they find the bag that was placed over Bill's head they found a note there saying he was
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warned uh bill was unable to describe the two men that assaulted him okay so normally you could be able to tell right
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away uh the individuals were black or white mhm so he's not able to say that I couldn't find any reports where they
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they say you know these are white guys these are African-American guys um really there's no description of these
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people at all as far as public records go well normally too it's like you might not be able to tell if the guy is 16 you
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know the person that attacked you if they were 16y old or if they're but you can normally you know break it down and
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go well they're in their 20s or 30s that's one of the frustrating one of the many frustrating things regarding this
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case and and what if Bill knew and just was afraid to actually State anything there's a lot of speculation regarding
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that let's talk about the attack that took place on Monday October 22 1979 this is the second assault and you
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could you could possibly call this the attempted murder of Bill coin this takes place at approximately 6:30 p.m. uh bill
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is out collecting money uh like the captain said he had a newspaper route and he was going door too to his
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different customers and he's collecting money now he's not on his bike this evening he's on foot um he says that at
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some point while he's out collecting money two men who were driving an older model vehicle uh he described this as
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Aqua or tur turquoise and color um two men jumped out of a car and they jumped him from behind they attack him and then
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tie a rope around his neck and throw him into some bushes Billy loses Consciousness and he blacked out for
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about 5 to 6 hours once he regains Consciousness Bill walks home and he arrives around 12:30 or 1 a.m. that
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morning Bill has rope burns on his neck he has a gash on his face and broken blood vessels on his face as well to you
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know obvious signs that this guy was choked and knocked out uh Bill files a police report and describes the asants
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as two white guys in their late teens or early 20s he's also taken to the uh hospital at this time where his injuries
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are noted this was probably part of the police report um and so he's two he's attacked twice both times the police
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investigate a report is filed and at least one of these occasions he seeks medical attention because of the attack
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bill would ultimately end up quitting his paper route I understand why um and just four days after filing the report
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bill is asked to take a polygraph test now he has to take this test this is at the BCI office the Ohio BCI office which
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is in London Ohio there's a lot of questions about these two attacks the the Sheriff's Department dep um and
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let's let's kind of clear this up a little bit because I said earlier the new Rome Police Department would more
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than likely be the ones responding to the missing report of Bill from January of 1980 mhm New Rome is a tiny little
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tiny little area and they only had part-time police officers back then it's bigger than Parts Unknown but it is Tiny
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yeah and the best way to describe these police officers picture uh Boy Scouts in
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cop cars is pretty much the way I would describe the new New Rome Police Department they're part-time they really
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only issue traffic tickets they don't really investigate any type of crime um later and I don't know there's probably
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a new Rome cop listening right now mad as hell well there there can't be because New Rome no longer exists at
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some point it was absorbed by Prairie Township because you got me there there you go um but if they had any type of
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major crime or an assault or anything like this this is within Franklin County Ohio So
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eventually the sheriff's department would be called in to investigate these different things not the Boy Scouts that
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were issuing traffic tickets on West Broad Street yeah I'm sure I got a ticket from them before yeah I I
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definitely received one and one thing I remember is they they told me I had to pay in cash in person uh and my ticket
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was for not having uh being able to provide proof of insurance I was pulled over for who knows knows what but that
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ends up being the ticket I didn't have my insurance card on me at the date that I was pulled over now in Columbus and in
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most cities you can just go to the court and prove that you had insurance at the
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time you were pulled over and there's then they take away the ticket my situation with New Rome was I showed up
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I'm like look I here's my proof of insurance they're like we don't care that you have insurance you were pulled
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over for not having proof of it you need to pay that ticket and pay it in cash I
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can't remember what I paid but here's what I do remember part of the reason why New Rome no longer exist is they
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were writing all these tickets telling people they had to pay in cash and then they they the government doesn't believe
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that new Rome was reporting all of these tickets being paid or even issued that they're basically pocketing the money so
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many many got you yeah many many good reasons why New Rome is no longer around but let's let's go through this real
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quick Captain so we have a a dead 14-year-old boy Bill coin he's found face down in a snowy ditch uh his scarf
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is tied tightly around his neck death by strangulation exactly and then we also find out that on two previous occasions
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this same young man has been attacked by what he describes as two men uh Who attack him and both times trying to
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choke him to death yeah first time trying to put a bag over his head and then tie the bag you know tight and the
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other time uh trying to strle him with a rope where he blacks out for 5 to 6 hours yeah did they report him missing
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that day there's so here here's a big problem with this case his parents are no longer around um they they both
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passed away live to be you know an old age um his sister and brother are still around uh he had two brothers I don't
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know about his oldest brother but his sister and brother to this day are very active in the case keeping this case
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alive searching for answers good for them exactly um but however his they were young at this time his sister was only
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nine uh his brother was a few years older than him they are a little they're a little fuzzy about the details of some
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of these things and there's also been a lot of people that have kind of come out
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of the woodwork saying well if my son was attacked on two separate occasions I would have moved I would have mortgaged
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my home and and moved to another neighborhood and sure you would have okay let's let's not fault these parents
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I don't find any fault in what the parents did or did not do no okay let's be clear about this the two times that
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he was attacked both times it was reported to the police that's what you're supposed to do at least one of
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those occasions Bill received medical attention if not on both occasions right um so I don't know what more you expect
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of parents to do you you report these things to the police and and then you know you hope that the police are out
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doing their job the the problem with the police is the the victim is unable to describe these guys uh the best
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description that they get out of two attacks is it was a aqua turquoise car uh with some white dudes that may have
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been in their late teens or early 20s yeah but it kind of sounds like you're fauling bill I mean again I think
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there's probably some reason that he didn't want to come forward with some information but yeah there's ways to
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toughen up your kids too I mean could you could have send Bill to the Cobra Kai Tojo yeah but it's also I I'm not
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fauling Bill what I'm saying is there's good chance he may not have he couldn't provide a better description because he
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didn't know who these guys were uh he was attacked uh you've talked about on this show several times what happens
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when you're knocked out you might not remember things that happen leading up to being knocked out I don't know what
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happens when somebody's choked out or strangled like that to the point of Los losing Consciousness that they might
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might not be clear about what happened to them um it's pretty easy then when you come to to be pulling the inner tube
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off of your neck and the bag off of your head and realize that that's how you were choked or strangled there is so
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much more to get into in this case just heating up we'll get right back to this right after this quick beer
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00:33:05
thing's pretty big I think let's take into account that the sheriff's department they're currently
00:33:10
investigating that bill has been attacked on two separate occasions this is before he's found murdered or found
00:33:17
dead at the end of that Dead End Street they were also investigating the letters
00:33:23
that these notes that bill received at at school they were investigating all this before he's found dead at the the
00:33:30
end of that street now after his death the Franklin County Sheriff's Department the detectives they're on record stating
00:33:38
quote that we are interviewing persons close to Bill and the reason being is at this time they're still struggling to
00:33:45
determine if they were dealing with a homicide or a potential suicide so for the first part of their investigation
00:33:52
they interviewed just about if not everyone that would have known bill uh they interviewed his family his
00:33:58
friends and school officials and they said they said quote uh persons interviewed describe Bill as a perfect
00:34:05
student a perfect child a perfect citizen so I really firmly believe that they could come up with no apparent
00:34:12
reason for his death whatsoever um even though they couldn't decide if this is a
00:34:17
homicide or suicide there's no reason for this 14-year-old boy to be dead and I believe that that is why that they
00:34:24
waited so long to have the forer release his report ultimately ruling the situation a homicide more evidence is
00:34:32
going to come in backing the idea that this is a homicide and not a suicide because his neighbors are going to start
00:34:38
getting threatening letters this is a crazy thing Captain because on July 21st of 1980 Neighbors on Maple Drive start
00:34:47
receiving threatening letters or notes um we say Maple Drive this is the same street that bill and his family lived on
00:34:56
it's reported that that 13 to possibly 19 notes of these threatening letters or notes were received uh by eight
00:35:04
different families all very near the coin's home some families received identical notes on the same day some
00:35:10
notes were mailed some were delivered in person at night uh notes were found on porches and on cars so up until
00:35:18
September of 1980 these notes were mailed but the first note that was delivered in person at night was
00:35:24
discovered on September 9th 1980 police were looking at the handwriting on these notes the handwriting is
00:35:31
described in two ways two very different ways uh one being crudely printed and there's also notes that are neatly
00:35:39
penciled on pieces of cutout envelopes uh these notes are submitted for analysis which reveals that the letters
00:35:47
were all written by the same person even though some crudely and some neatly right but were these letters connected
00:35:54
to the original letters um let's go through that because there is some wording of these notes
00:36:01
that would make you believe that they could be connected and keep in mind he's re Bill Comin is receiving these
00:36:07
threatening letters and then he's killed uh most of these letters are brief uh they're simply just three or four words
00:36:14
on a lot of the notes the messages that were reported in the newspaper at the time were as follows uh parents should
00:36:21
guard their children carefully this one is signed X the next note is is short now I want to note here that uh seven
00:36:30
different girls and women in the neighborhood which the ages range from Seven all the way up to 50 received
00:36:37
these letters addressed to their name mhm um some of the other notes said all have been warned uh one said death in
00:36:45
October one said you are next and the other one said it's time this one was left the Night Before
00:36:53
Halloween this of course you know just some of the notes not received because they didn't report all of them to the
00:36:59
newspapers uh police say that they did believe that the letter writer could possibly be the the killer of Bill
00:37:07
comines on November 2nd law enforcement took the notes to Syracuse for a psychological profile of the letter
00:37:15
writer here's where things well that's kind of difficult too when the letters are so short yeah well here's the
00:37:23
difficult thing too because in December of 1980 they arrest somebody for writing these
00:37:29
letters a 54-year-old woman who lives on Maple Drive was arrested for writing the
00:37:35
threatening letters she wrote all of them so how did they catch this crazy old bat well remember they did the
00:37:42
psychological profile and they've not said this in the papers but here's what I believe I believe that what they came
00:37:49
up with in the psychological profile is that probably one of the persons that have received letters or received the
00:37:56
notes eles was the author of all of these notes so what they end up doing is they go back and everybody that received
00:38:04
a note they asked them to submit a handwriting sample so they can compare it to the notes found clever so 54
00:38:12
yearold this is uh aen taupe uh she decides she's not going to submit a handwriting sample to the police so they
00:38:20
get a search warrant and they go to where she works and they take items from her desk basically taking you know
00:38:28
collecting handwriting samples on their own without her help they determined that she wrote these letters based off
00:38:36
of items that they found in her desk and the letters probably smelled like cats well alien taupe was a state employee
00:38:45
she worked for the Ohio Department of Taxation she lived with her husband who was a retired mail carrier this is
00:38:52
Willard taupe 56 years he probably had him deliver the letters they had four adult children at this
00:39:00
time when she's arrested uh one daughter and three sons ranging in age from 22 to
00:39:05
30 I believe the daughter was the youngest of their children they lived in their house on Maple Drive for seven
00:39:13
years they knew the coin um actually Mrs coine describes alien top as a friend um
00:39:22
and so then why is she writing these these letters because she's not not really a friend I'm guessing this is
00:39:28
this is after the fact that once it's discovered that she was the writer the mother States Bill King's mom States you
00:39:34
know she was once a friend now she's somebody I don't even want to see ever again MH uh they lived the way that the
00:39:42
way that Bill's sister Kathleen describes the neighborhood um the taes would have lived not directly across the
00:39:49
street from them but across the street and a house over right so they liveed very close to the coin a little more
00:39:57
background on aen taupe um she she before she wrote the letters before the letters started showing up this is back
00:40:05
in 1973 and 74 she had several nervous breakdowns um after after being caught as the letter writer she was diagnosed
00:40:14
as having dual personalities she spent three weeks in a hospital and then she got all better well she was or her
00:40:22
family was one of the first people to receive these threatening notes they took the notes were delivered
00:40:28
between July 21st and October 31st of 1980 she's caught for this in December of 1980 mhm so she even participated in
00:40:38
the investigation in the sense that she spoke with police on several occasions and she also talked to the
00:40:44
newspapers uh when when the people in the neighborhood were receiving these notes she told the Columbus Dispatch
00:40:51
that this is some kind of sick joke or somebody is ready to go off the deep end that's that's what she's quoted as in
00:40:57
the paper she told the police she was receiving threatening phone calls and Prowlers were lurking around her home at
00:41:03
night and attempted break-ins to their home well I wonder if maybe with the mental issues she was dealing with if
00:41:11
this uh because Bill was murdered maybe this triggered something inside her and and again maybe she was friends with the
00:41:18
family and that that was a bigger trigger and therefore then she became mentally unhinged because of this murder
00:41:25
so but it's sad nonetheless now law enforcement would end up proving that all the phone calls to police uh the the
00:41:33
comments or the suspected prowers or attempted break-ins to their home they were all false claims all right so what
00:41:41
does she get charged with well she gets charged with writing the threatening letters this I guess is a misdemeanor
00:41:47
and she pleads no contest to this and receives a fine of $50 um She fainted during the court
00:41:54
proceedings and like just like Su Knight yes he has he has a problem going to court um here's the weird thing
00:42:03
though Captain uh and as if it's not weird enough I can't get much weirder so I've read newspaper articles that came
00:42:10
out in December of 1980 and her husband is interviewed with her uh regarding her
00:42:17
arrest he seems to be in her Court uh he has her back um like we said she probably has some mental issues going on
00:42:27
the thing is though she offers no explanation as to why she wrote any of these letters eventually law enforcement
00:42:35
would say that she did not write the letters that bill coins received before his death and stated that she is not a
00:42:43
suspect in Bill coin's murder the letters that were received were received at people's houses or on the street um
00:42:50
the the letters that bill received were at the school mhm in September of 1981 1
00:42:56
so over a year and a half goes by and after announcing the menacing letter writer was not a suspect uh in what the
00:43:04
coroner called a very bizarre case and also Eileen taupe was not considered a suspect in the threatening letters Bill
00:43:11
had received before his death the police still had named no suspects couldn't find a motive for the murder of Bill
00:43:18
coin but now in 1981 they're reexamining the case and talking to the Press once again this time there's a there's a
00:43:27
theory that starts to come out a year and a half after the death of Bill coin okay and this is that he possibly died
00:43:34
of an accidental suicide by way of autoerotic xixi law enforce okay law enforcement
00:43:41
claims that the investigation is ongoing at this time however uh we have detectives detectives stating publicly
00:43:49
that they don't believe that bill kin was murdered the coroner at this time still has not changed his ruling of
00:43:55
homicide the deputy coroner claims the ruling of homicide was given to keep the case open
00:44:02
that law enforcement were they were having trouble believing the stories uh regarding the first two attacks on Bill
00:44:08
coin and they are now telling the newspapers that bill kin's uh responses to the lie detector test that they asked
00:44:15
him to take before his death showed signs of quote significant attempt to deceive okay a couple things going on
00:44:23
here first of all autoerotic AIC iation right mhm so this is where either during
00:44:29
sex I guess or during self sex okay I can't believe we're talking about this uh but you'd be choking yourself
00:44:40
and be and it would help uh you know you climax okay right so that's what they're
00:44:47
stating they believe it's a possibility that he was choking himself with his scarf um and then beating off uh by the
00:44:56
train tracks all right well let's get into this is the time where we have to get into all this speculation because
00:45:02
it's obvious that law enforcement they don't seem to have a good idea I think on whether he's murdered or whether this
00:45:09
was an accidental death was pretty simple was his pants found down around his ankles or or was his pants on I'm
00:45:17
going to go off of what Bob has said Bob is uh Bill's older brother he was one of
00:45:22
the people that found Bill face down in that ditch that night he states that as far as his memory goes that Bill's
00:45:30
Clothing didn't seem abnormal um and to furthermore the family's belief that he was murdered is
00:45:40
okay so this is a cold night there was snow on the ground Bill's wearing a winter coat he's wearing pants long
00:45:47
pants he's wearing big thick gloves and a scarf a scarf his own scarf that is tied tightly around his neck that
00:45:55
probably caused this Cardiac Arrest that he had they there's no sign of there's no
00:46:02
sign of a struggle but there's also no sign of what you were just talking about the your self sex that you were just
00:46:09
discussing um sorry so that's inappropriate yes uh bill you know Bob these are Bob's statements many years
00:46:17
later one sad one of the saddest things about this is I I've read Bob's stories and um you know just the fact that he
00:46:26
and his father basically took turns performing CPR on Bill trying to revive him yeah um Bob states that that Bill
00:46:36
had vomited because of the the strangulation and that for many many years Bob could still taste that in his
00:46:45
own mouth uh from having performed this the CPR but there's all kinds there's so
00:46:51
much things there's so many things to discuss here okay let's well I think this whole idea of this autoerotic
00:46:59
fixation theory is to me is just irresponsible well and and one thing that that would have your back on that
00:47:07
is that a lot of people argue that the size of the gloves he wore would have been that you wouldn't have been able to
00:47:13
tie your shoelaces with these big thick gloves on that he wouldn't have been able to tie this scarf around his own
00:47:20
neck MH um I have so many questions about this case and this is one of these fascinating cases that you dive into and
00:47:29
you could go a million different directions with it um the first the first question I have is there's there's
00:47:37
some question as to when Bill still in life started receiving these threatening letters these threatening notes was it
00:47:45
before the first time he was attacked or was it after the first time he was attacked um he was attacked on September
00:47:53
5th of 19 79 and the reason why I bring that up because that's a Wednesday that would have been the Wednesday after
00:48:01
Labor Day now back in the day and you'll remember this and I know that school school years have changed throughout the
00:48:08
years that a lot of kids start school early August or mid August nowadays but back when we were kids we would
00:48:15
typically start school the week before Labor Day and I used to love that because they would kind of ease you into
00:48:21
the school year because you would typically start on that Wednesday before Labor Day so you would go to school for
00:48:27
3 days you would have a 3-day weekend you would go back to school for 4 days before you went to your first full week
00:48:34
of school which is week three so I have to believe I'm just going off of numbers
00:48:40
here that bill probably started receiving these threatening letters after the first attack and I only say
00:48:48
that because I believe that having found them in his locker and his friends Finding them in their lockers that that
00:48:56
these letters would have been delivered by somebody that had access to that school this would be an upper classman
00:49:02
or a teacher somebody already in the school now leading up to the first attack bill would have only been in
00:49:09
school for what five days five school days before the first attack right um and I do have confirmation that that
00:49:18
that school year is correct uh his sister would say years later when question about the whole incident that
00:49:25
back then we started school the week before Labor Day so he wouldn't have been in school very long before before
00:49:33
being attacked right which makes some sense because you know people get back from summer break and then they're kind
00:49:38
of Rowdy mhm so that's you know that makes sense and I and I believe you know if he was murdered the the per the
00:49:44
people that they're looking for the suspects are going to be uh members of that High School mhm there were some
00:49:51
reports uh that bill might have been bullied by some upper class now no one could give really specific
00:49:58
incidents of him being attacked or being picked on at school other than there were a couple people that said on more
00:50:06
than one occasion during choir practice you know while he's at choir there were several upper classmen that seem to go
00:50:13
to the choir room and kind of stare down some of the kids in the choir bill being one of them right
00:50:19
because when you go to high school you normally have like freshman English class well who's in freshman English
00:50:24
class freshman right mhm you have sophomore math class or whatever there's those classes that
00:50:30
have a overlap so choir being one or like jazzband or like even gym class sometimes would have a overlap right so
00:50:38
this would give Bill the opportunity to be in contact with some of these upper classmen you're exactly right okay so
00:50:45
let's talk about these notes and let's talk about the things going on at school um regarding the notes that he received
00:50:53
before his death these are items that are being held somewhere in an Evidence Locker in the U Franklin County
00:51:01
Sheriff's Department these are these are notes that his remaining family members
00:51:07
are a little unclear of and they're not actually certain that they've seen these
00:51:12
notes so Kathleen and Bob who are active in this investigation are not really able to clue Us in as to what these
00:51:20
notes are we have some vague descriptions of these notes but like I said some of them were written WR some
00:51:26
were typed and some were letters and words cut out of magazines and newspapers uh the sheriff's department
00:51:32
does not comment on these letters other than stating that they were investigating if Bill was the actual
00:51:40
author of these letters and I say that because remember the polygraph test that they gave bill that they requested of
00:51:49
him once they saw signs that he might have been deceptive during those polygraph tests that's probably why
00:51:55
they're starting to look at him being a possible author of these notes one big question I have regarding those notes
00:52:02
are which ones were written which ones were typed and which ones were uh cut out of magazines and received by whom
00:52:09
you know if all the handwritten letters and notes were received by Bill and the typed ones and the ones that are
00:52:16
cut out in newspapers and magazines were received by his best friend and his girlfriend I would really wonder if Bill
00:52:24
actually authored those those notes yeah cuz one of the theories that you know gets me is you know as far
00:52:30
as the the autoerotic fixation Theory doesn't make a lot of sense to me but a possible like you know maybe it was a
00:52:39
suicide m in the sense of well you know whatever is going on in my head I'm going to go take a walk and I got this
00:52:46
scarf and if I tie it really tight and cut off my Airway that uh and I throw these gloves on that once it gets
00:52:56
difficult to breathe that maybe I won't be able to take off the scarf MH that that would be my idea and so but then
00:53:06
what if cuz like what the coroner said is well was really the heart attack because of so what if he tied the scarf
00:53:14
super tight he can't breathe he has these gloves on before it gets to the point where he would probably struggle
00:53:20
to save himself you know he he passes out mhm and so that that is a possibility and like you said if he's
00:53:27
writing these letters then maybe he's just writing these letters or talking about these attacks that maybe never
00:53:34
happen as a way to get attention yeah or to cover up some kind of thing that he was doing on his own MH I actually I
00:53:44
don't think but what would that thing be I mean you're just tossing that out as a
00:53:48
overall blanket idea well I'll get into that a bit here because I don't think that suicide is the right word for any
00:53:56
of this I think that what we're dealing with here is either a homicide or an accidental death um not a suicide so
00:54:05
there is one report that one of the teachers at Bill's high school at wesland high school told law enforcement
00:54:13
that at one point Bill had asked that teacher how to pass out how to make yourself pass out mhm I couldn't find I
00:54:21
don't know how credible this is um this is something that found on a website somewhere I didn't find it in a
00:54:27
newspaper I couldn't find any other reports of this actually being a real thing okay but what I'm getting at here
00:54:36
is that possibly could have happened he could have asked somebody that or could have had these weird conversations maybe
00:54:43
with some of his friends now Kathleen and Bob they don't believe that a good number of his friends were interviewed
00:54:49
about this you know we have the law enforcement stating that you know we talk to everybody that knew bill
00:54:55
um and they say that a lot of his friends weren't spoken to by the police I don't know what information they could
00:55:01
offer um but here's here's where I have a problem with this being a homicide the
00:55:08
first thing is that the parents state that bill would have not left the home without telling them where he was going
00:55:16
and I believe this I believe this because everybody that's been in the newspaper anybody that knew bill has
00:55:22
always said he was extremely close with his family and his parents and he was also uh a very responsible kid you know
00:55:29
we talked about him being a good student and talking about him having a paper route uh so I believe this so their
00:55:36
statement to the Sheriff's Department is this has to be a murder because he would
00:55:41
not have committed suicide and Bill would have had to have been abducted from either their front porch or from
00:55:46
their front yard because he wouldn't have left on his own right but there's a few problems I have with this the one
00:55:53
being that that these homes are close together they're small homes they are small Lots uh this this area when I
00:56:02
lived there 15 years ago was a very quiet area at 9:00 at night especially during the week mhm if Bill was abducted
00:56:10
you would think that somebody would have heard something that there might have been a struggle Bill 6 foot tall 175 lbs
00:56:18
uh I I feel his father's in the garage with the door open working on the car mhm it almost seems to me like if he
00:56:27
was abducted all bill would have had to do especially after having been you know
00:56:32
in two situations like this before already being in fear all he would have had to do was shout out or yell or
00:56:39
scream and his father would have heard him or a neighbor would have heard him so I have a problem with the families
00:56:46
thought that he was abducted and then later found strangled to death and I'm going back to the first two uh attacks
00:56:54
as part of this problem one being the night that he was coming home from his friend's house where he was attacked in
00:57:00
the woods and somebody places a bag over his head in an inner tube around his neck to choke him out I have a problem
00:57:08
with the inner tube that seems like a strange thing for an attacker to bring to an area in the woods maybe lying
00:57:16
there waiting for somebody I mean how would you know that the the letters to me if Bill's receiving threatening
00:57:23
letters it almost seems like Bill is targeted maybe he was targeted after this first attack I don't know but
00:57:28
having the inner tube there seems like a strange thing it doesn't seem like a strange thing to me with somebody being
00:57:34
on a bike Bill might have had an inner tube you know a lot of people will bring an inner tube with them in case they get
00:57:39
a flat tire out somewhere they can change the tire themselves and ride home well right so you're saying that
00:57:45
possibly he's playing like the blackout game yes or something of that nature that that he was getting some kind of
00:57:52
high or or maybe this was something taught to him by a friend this is pretty common actually I I'd say probably every
00:58:00
generation that people go through this period of you know the the blackout game or the figing game speed dreaming
00:58:07
there's a bunch of different names for it so let's go back to the first attack I've looked at where that school in the
00:58:13
woods behind the school are located MH and I know where his friend's house was and I know where his home was the woods
00:58:20
was actually out of his way and he did not need to go through the woods to get home first of all second of all it was
00:58:28
not a shorter route you know like kids often would take shorter routes cut through people's yards and cut through
00:58:34
the woods I get that yeah but it would have been faster for him to take the the roads from his friend's home to his
00:58:41
house it was completely out of the way yeah but maybe he just preferred it I get that I get that but it seems strange
00:58:48
and then second of all we have the second attack he's out on his own and he's unaccounted for for 5 to 6 hours
00:58:55
mhm that seems strange to me too I I have so many so many issues with with this case claiming that you attacked
00:59:02
while you're collecting money for your paper route might give you excuse not to have a paper route anymore and on none
00:59:09
of these occasions was he robbed and on the two occasions that he comes home from these attacks there's nothing on
00:59:16
his clothes to indicate any type of struggle other than the bruising on his neck and that this this poor kid was had
00:59:24
passed out or was unconscious for some period of time right but how do you explain these marks could he could have
00:59:31
choked himself he could have blacked out himself he no no that's what I'm saying
00:59:34
but I'm saying let's say you're trying to play the blackout game you're just curious right maybe you played the
00:59:39
blackout game with your buddies and you're like you know what that was kind of weird a weird feeling I kind of want
00:59:44
to experience that again I mean again he's a 14-year-old boy I mean we do some dumb stuff you know so he's sitting
00:59:52
there and he's like okay I want to try this this by myself then he goes home and they're like what the hell's on your
00:59:58
neck right and then he's like well what happened was I was attacked and that's what was happening and then what he did
01:00:05
was well I'll make up these notes cuz then if I make up these notes then that covers my tracks even more yeah the
01:00:12
first attack is weird because the police do go to that spot in the woods and they
01:00:15
find the bicycle they find the inner tube and they find the bag everything that Bill said would be there was there
01:00:22
why would he leave his bike Maybe he came to and and panicked and and freaked out and just went home on foot and like
01:00:30
you said now he's at home he's got to he's got to explain for his whereabouts he's got to explain why he doesn't have
01:00:35
his bike um now we also have this situation where he's coming home from his paper out he's unaccounted for for
01:00:42
five or six hours he comes home and he looks like he's been attacked as far as the choking goes um and now he's got to
01:00:49
explain to his parents why they have to take him to the hospital I just don't see any sign of abduction or struggle or
01:00:57
attack other than this choking thing the rumors of abduction really kind of came
01:01:03
after mhm and then we have the volume why was there valume in his system that's strange to me too but I I don't
01:01:11
think that anybody would have made him or forced him to take valume and then kill him that doesn't make any sense to
01:01:18
me I he he would have died or been close to death pretty quickly after having been quote unquote abducted from his
01:01:25
front yard I don't know how much time it would take vum to get into his system but I think this is something that he
01:01:31
took on his own I wouldn't be surprised if this was something that was we could find no reason that it was prescribed to
01:01:37
him but we're talking about 1979 in 1980 is there a possibility that when he was
01:01:43
seeking medical attention for the second attack that a doctor he he received a shot that night according to his sister
01:01:50
is there a chance that a doctor said you know what here's some of these here's some of these pills and when you're
01:01:56
feeling weird bill or not feeling good about things you can take one of these and it'll help you relax MH so there's a
01:02:02
possibility he could have received those from an actual doctor or hospital but not actually have been prescribed the
01:02:09
medicine we don't have Bill's parents around anymore to verify how he would have received that volume nor could I
01:02:17
find anything from his parents discussing the volume in the newspapers at the time well you were telling me
01:02:22
earlier about an interesting point about the second attack yeah the the one thing
01:02:25
about the second attack remember he states that he was choked from behind with a rope uh these two white dudes at
01:02:32
teenagers early 20s they jump out of this car they jump him and the way that he makes this this sound and the way
01:02:38
that it sounds in the newspaper is that he was along his newspaper route these are homes that are close together that
01:02:44
he was attacked there and basically choked and left for dead thrown into some bushes or underneath the tree I
01:02:50
wonder you know if we could get a better a better report of that actual attack because had he been abducted and taken
01:02:58
elsewhere that would make more sense to me because I cannot believe that in this
01:03:02
neighborhood he that that a boy that a 14-year-old boy just lie there lifeless almost for 5 and a half six hours on the
01:03:11
side of a sidewalker in somebody's front yard or side yard and nobody discovers him during this 5 and a half six hour
01:03:17
time period and he eventually wakes up and walks himself home well and I think your theory makes a lot of sense uh I
01:03:24
just argue that there was items found uh with uh Bill's body and they you know they were able to pull DNA off these
01:03:32
items yeah okay so there's the items found with him there's there's one item in particular that uh the family points
01:03:39
to and this was a knife was found in the area of where Bill was found and their thought is it's possible that this knife
01:03:47
was used to abduct bill that's why he was silent during the Abu abduction um and that whoever killed Bill would have
01:03:56
thrown him there into the ditch and then discarded of the knife uh before leaving
01:04:01
the scene well and there's possibly DNA on the scarf as well correct so I've I've seen several reports that in late
01:04:10
2013 and early 2014 they were going to test these items as early as 200 I believe 2012 okay um I've heard
01:04:21
conflicting results on these test I've heard some reports that the items still to this date have never been tested
01:04:29
that's the main rumor that I hear as well and then the other rumor is that these items were tested and they weren't
01:04:36
able to come up with any new leads based off of their findings on these items I wonder uh as far as the knife goes let's
01:04:44
describe this knife it was described by Kathleen his Bill's sister as basically a knife that you would find in
01:04:51
somebody's kitchen it had a wooden handle um it was not a knife that the family recognized to be from their home
01:04:58
um it also could simply just be trash you know this was a long the the railroad tracks uh he was found you know
01:05:05
there were beer bottles in the area there were car parts possible that this could just be trash well and one of the
01:05:12
other rumors about the DNA is that there was not enough to sample that they' have
01:05:17
this destroyed and it's funny to me because think about how many cases that we cover and we learn week by week we
01:05:24
learned something MH and what did we learn last week was it PCR yes so you know there you know you're reading about
01:05:32
this case and they go well we don't have enough DNA evidence to to test it we're
01:05:36
afraid we'll contaminate it and then you go wait but PCR is like basically a photocopier so why aren't we
01:05:42
implementing this in this case and is if it's about money I think the thing maybe
01:05:48
not the knife cuz like you said it's a very possib very good possibility that this knife was just thrown out as trash
01:05:54
or just left there you know some kids were playing uh with their mom's kitchen knife and just was like ah just leave it
01:06:00
here littering that's do it that's what it comes down to a bunch of litterers pick up your pick up your
01:06:08
trash your piece of trash um no so I I agree with you there there's those items there that to me are sketchy but I think
01:06:17
the thing here is if we can pull DNA evidence off of his neck his scarf anything that they could get that was
01:06:24
connected to him not on those surroundings but connected to him if they're able to test that if they're not
01:06:30
but they're able to duplicate with PC then do that and then test it now is there somebody else's DNA other than
01:06:37
bills right because if it's just bills then your theory makes the most sense but if there's somebody else's the
01:06:45
suspect or the you know or The Killers not the suspects The Killers went to his high school he knew them through high
01:06:51
school they were upper classmates the thing that I lean towards your theory about
01:06:58
is why would you when you went to pick on an individual wouldn't you punch him mhm
01:07:05
hold him down do something I mean it seems like strangling the individual is you know it's not the first thing you
01:07:14
would do when attacking somebody yeah or possibly that you'd strangle them with your hand you know you'd be in a fist
01:07:20
fighter or or maybe they're not even fighting back but you'd strangle with your hand before you would use a bag
01:07:26
with a uh you know a tire tube and if they have the tire tube can can we you know what kind of tire tube did did Bill
01:07:36
have you know so I don't know I mean it leans that way the re the only reason why I lean that way cuz I would assume
01:07:43
that if somebody's bullying him that there would be a punch or something thrown first bill would have a black eye
01:07:49
you know not just marks around his neck yeah and okay let's I'm going to go back
01:07:53
to the DNA real quick before we get before I get into the bullying but the DNA that we're that you're talking about
01:07:59
that was found on his scarf um was reported as bodily some kind of bodily fluid right um which could have been the
01:08:07
puke that's what I'm getting at we all we now know that that bill vomited at some point uh and it very well could
01:08:14
have been Bill Bill's vomit on that that scarf um so I question I question that and I'm like like you said let's test
01:08:23
that stuff and if it's bills we got to move on from this thing what's irresponsible here is that I really feel
01:08:30
that we're 30 some years later and I I think there's enough to question if this is a homicide or not I would love for
01:08:38
law enforcement to come out and say definitively one way or the other it remains technically a homicide because
01:08:45
it's on the books as such uh that's what his sister believes it is as well and so
01:08:50
does Bob and his and I believe his family always believed that he was killed and that he was murdered um I
01:08:56
don't mean to go against his family at all um I simply just want answers exactly like they do regarding the
01:09:03
bullying uh you mentioned something you know that this would have had to been upper classman I I agree with you 100%
01:09:10
on that the other thing is if these people were not just they weren't just upper classmen if it if he was in fact
01:09:17
murdered it wasn't just somebody that had access to his school that attended his school this was also somebody that
01:09:22
fit into that neighborhood that didn't seem out of place in that neighborhood because there's nobody other than bill
01:09:28
on three separate attacks to say hey I saw this guy or these guys or these group of people driving around and this
01:09:35
aqua colored older car that that he said was probably a Ford Falcon or something
01:09:40
that looked like a Ford Falcon do yourself a favor Google an older model uh Aqua Ford Falcon that is not that
01:09:47
could not have been a common car back in 1979 1980 not the pictures that I saw this is a car that in my opinion would
01:09:55
have stood out this is a car in my opinion that had they gone to the school they probably could have asked about 50
01:10:00
people and said you know who drives one of those so and so drives one of those yeah uh it would have been an easy thing
01:10:06
to come up with the other thing regarding the bullying is when interviewing his girlfriend and and his
01:10:13
friend that received these threatening notes as well Captain don't you believe you know both of us you know in a high
01:10:20
school setting don't you believe that if you receive some kind of a threatening note you might have some clue who put
01:10:26
that in your locker yeah yeah no I I think so but or or at least out of the three of you you might have some
01:10:33
speculation as to who did it yeah I think you know I think you could come up with somebody going oh so and so doesn't
01:10:39
like me or so and so is mad that I'm dating this girl or so and so doesn't like my buddy or started a fight with my
01:10:45
buddy I think you would have a small list of people that would be likely suspects in the notes themselves well
01:10:52
but I also take back what I was saying before you know when I was saying the bullies would probably punch him in the
01:10:57
face if you think about stuff like um uh what's that show um Dazed and Confused you know the these upper classmen would
01:11:06
jump out of the car all they're doing is holding down the individual and then spanking them mhm I say that only what
01:11:13
what I mean by that that's a horrible thing to do to anybody but what I mean only by that is they're not punching
01:11:19
them right to get the so this could have been just some sick thing they're doing
01:11:23
like a form of hazing almost right but this could be some kind of sick form of hazing mhm and so yeah these these two
01:11:30
individuals for whatever reason pick Bill and then they go after him and they grab him and then they just we'll tie
01:11:37
this around his head and then we'll we'll run off mhm but the but the threatening letters the the not the
01:11:43
notes that he's getting don't sound like some kind of taunting as towards hazing
01:11:48
you know I get you are next yeah that sounds like oh you know remember we choked that one kid kid now we're going
01:11:54
to we're going to choke you in our little hazing weird hazing thing that we do but one of the notes says blood will
01:11:59
spill that sounds like murder that sounds like some kind of severe attack the other one stating something like
01:12:05
bill has three months left uh spend them wisely or something like that you know this again like I said there's so many
01:12:13
things that you brought up that I think are super valid points and then the other side of me goes but the people
01:12:18
that were closer to this case than me me and you could you know ever be is his siblings mhm and for them to come out
01:12:25
and say look this doesn't you know it's a 14-year-old boy that you know maybe was just you know had this weird phase
01:12:32
for a while where he was making himself pass out that's a very good possibility there is a good possibility that he was
01:12:39
just being harassed by somebody and that these individuals for whatever reason maybe it just started out as a haze and
01:12:46
they're like oh well this you know this actually went too far now we got to get rid of him mhm that's that's a good
01:12:53
possib ability too and I but I think you know what I know what his sister's doing
01:12:57
is she has a Facebook page they've posted a lot of information uh about that school and now what's great about
01:13:04
like webs Luthers is they can actually go online and pull up the yearbook for wesland high school M um wesland High
01:13:13
School in Columbus Ohio and and look through uh and look through these Pages yeah and and if he was murdered to me
01:13:22
100% I believe You' find those those individuals in that book well I think a big problem with this case is alien
01:13:31
taupe the one who started writing these other letters that were not connected to
01:13:35
anything I think that I think that the police probably had their suspicions as to whether this was an actual homicide
01:13:42
or not and I think on once those letters started well there was a big scare in that neighborhood by people receiving
01:13:49
these letters and even by people that weren't receiving these na these letters and so the police had a job they had a
01:13:55
duty to that Community to go in there and determine who's writing these letters because everybody in the
01:14:01
neighborhood immediately thinks these are coming from whoever killed poor Bill comines and I think that once they were
01:14:09
already confused about their own investigation they get involved in this letter writing investigation and I think
01:14:16
the police for a long time for those few months that those letters are being received I think they thought that if
01:14:21
they could find the author of those letters that they would find the killer of bill and when then that that didn't
01:14:27
work out when that turned out not to be Bill's killer I think maybe they reverted back to their original thought
01:14:34
of this might not be a homicide and what I mean where I think a big Interruption
01:14:39
is alien taupe is I think that those months would have been better spent they definitely they definitely did a lot of
01:14:45
work on this case they did a lot of work trying to figure out who that letter writer was they could have spent those
01:14:50
hours and those days going back and actually clearing up within a year within months of his death determining
01:14:58
the actual cause of death and and maybe getting it right well and I wish you know there was more than one polygraph
01:15:04
test yeah because because I don't know how much that proves I mean we I don't I actually don't I don't I don't look to
01:15:12
that polygraph for anything really because I don't I I think I think giving a polygraph to a
01:15:18
14-year-old boy or girl I think is strange I think especially if he was in fact attacked you could make a child
01:15:26
feel like they're guilty of something that they had no had nothing to do with and just by putting him in the chair and
01:15:34
submitting him to that test he could come off as deceitful just because he's now in a situation and in a setting
01:15:41
where he feels you made him feel like he's done something wrong and I would love to know if that DNA was actually
01:15:46
tested if so I would love to know what the results are I know people are going to send us things that they've seen But
01:15:52
like we've said we've heard both sides of the coin that yes they have been done nothing came back or that they've not
01:15:58
been done I worry that the sheriff's department this many years later believes that it's not actually a
01:16:05
homicide and they might not be technically working the case if that's if that in fact is their stance on it I
01:16:12
would love for them to say you know what Coan family let's sit down let's review
01:16:16
the boxes of evidence that we have let's review this together because they are owed some answers they are owed some
01:16:23
answers in this case and they owed closure yeah even even if it's just law enforcement coming out and stating yes
01:16:31
we are on your side we believe this was a homicide or no we still think that this was an accidental death and I and
01:16:38
all the people that write suicide or even the autoerotic expiation stuff I think that's a little too I think that's
01:16:46
a little irresponsible I think that this in my opinion I lean towards accidental
01:16:51
death here and I think that's the right term I and I welcome I welcome anybody else's thoughts on it because there's I
01:16:58
my when I sit down and look at this thing captain my opinion changes daily as to whether he was killed or
01:17:04
whether this was an accidental death yeah well again I think sometimes people throw out these theories and they have
01:17:10
no evidence to back it up so you know I think look I but I do think like I said before there's enough information online
01:17:18
and that maybe that the whbs Luther Community could help out in some way the True Crime community in some way
01:17:25
possibly could dive into this case a little bit and maybe uncover some new leads that's the hope of his sister the
01:17:31
other thing too is you know like we said our you know what we kind of lean towards or what kind of makes the most
01:17:38
sense was this was some kind of accidental um death the other thing too is if we do have these letters why can't
01:17:45
we pull DNA off the letters that were written right so and if it's if it's if it's about funding well it's this simple
01:17:53
you know the the siblings can contact us can contact True Crime garage and we'll
01:17:58
we'll pull the the True Crime Community together and we'll get this tested ourselves if it's about financials so um
01:18:07
I you know it'd be great for that community and for the family to get some closure on this case yes and I truly
01:18:13
hope that Kathleen and Bob uh Bill's brother and sister receive the answers and the information that they need and
01:18:20
deserve uh his parents deserve that information and in that closure as well unfortunately they did not get it you
01:18:27
can follow you can actually follow Bill coin and Bill coin's family at Twitter um so if anybody's looking for updates
01:18:34
on the case hopefully hopefully there are updates um you can do that at Bill Co means well it's a really interesting
01:18:42
case one I never heard of uh till this week and it was a Columbus case so uh do we have a recommended reading for this
01:18:49
week we do this week we are recommending the Pierre Hotel Affair this is is a true story of one of the most famous
01:18:54
unsolved heist in American history in 1972 someone well I should say some ones stole $28 Million worth of jewels from
01:19:04
New York City's Pierre Hotel you know this would make a great movie Captain anyway a group of men arrived at the
01:19:10
hotel dressed in tuxedos they very quickly attacked the security guards and took Hotel staff and guest hostage uh
01:19:18
when they finally left the hotel they departed with $28 Million worth of Jews and they left in limousines if you would
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like to if you like a good heist or you like a good who done it check out the Pierre Hotel Affair and you can do that
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right until next week every everybody be good be kind and don't [Music] [Applause]
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