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[Applause] [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] ER is one of the most heinous crimes
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committed by man while not a common occurrence it is one which frightens and arouses the public
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as does no other crime of primary concern are those factors which differentiate the lust murder from
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the more common sadistic homicide physical evidence present at the scene May assist in determining the
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responsible individual or individuals and possible personality characteristics of the murderer
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the material presented is not applicable to all such crimes and perpetrators but
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rather the majority the data presented is based upon examination of case reports interviews
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with investigative personnel and a careful review of the literature the lust murder is unique and distinguished
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from the sadistic homicide by the involvement of a mutilating attack or displacement of the breast rectum or
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genitals further while there are always exceptions basically two types of individuals commit the less murder
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these individuals are labeled as organized non-social and disorganized asocial personalities
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the lust murder is premeditated in the obsessive fantasies of the perpetrator yet the killer may act on spur of the
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moment when the opportunity presents itself that is to say the murderer has precisely planned the crimes in his
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fantasies but has not consciously decided to act out those fantasies until the moment of
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the crime consequently the victim is typically unknown to the Killer the lust murder is committed in a
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brutally sadistic manner while the victim may be either male or female the crime is predominantly
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heterosexual and intra-racial in nature the victim's body exhibits gross mutilation and may have been subjected
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to excessive stabbing or slashing with a sharp instrument the victim's death typically occurs
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shortly following the abduction or attack and the mutilation that takes place follows death
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seldom will the lust murderer use a firearm to kill for he experiences too little psychosexual gratification with
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such an impersonal weapon most frequently death results from strangulation blunt force or the use of
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a pointed sharp instrument the investigator may find that the victim has been bitten on the breast
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buttocks neck abdomen thighs or genitals limb or breast amputation or in some instances total dissection may have
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taken place frequently the murderer will take a souvenir normally an object or an article of
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clothing belonging to the victim but occasionally it will be a more personal reminder of the encounter
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a finger a lock of hair or a part of the body with sexual Association the souvenir is taken to enable the
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murderer to relive the scene in later fantasies the killer here is acting out his fantasy and complete
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possession of the victim is part of that fantasy the killer may be compelled to return to
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the scene what set of circumstances create the individual who becomes the lust murderer
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it is generally accepted that the foundation of the personality is formed within the first few years of
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life while extreme stress frequent narcotic use or alcohol abuse can cause personality disorganization in later
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life it is the early years that are critical to the personality structure and development
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seldom does the less murder come from an environment of love and understanding it is more likely that he wasn't abused
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or neglected child who experienced a great deal of conflict in his early life and was unable to develop and use
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adequate coping devices had he been able to do so he would have withstood the stresses placed on him and
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developed normally in childhood the lust murderer is premeditated in obsessive fantasies
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fantasy provides them an Avenue of escape from a world of hate and rejection Dr James Reinhardt in his book sex
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perversions and sex crimes has written a study of these cases almost invariably reveals a long struggle against the
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forward thrust by fantasy the murderer attempts to wall himself in against the Fatal Act
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while at the same time gratifying the compulsive psychic demands in the development and use of fantasy
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these sadistic fantasies seem always to have preceded the brutal Act of lust murder
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these fantasies take on all sorts of grotesque and cruel forms the Pervert on this level of degeneracy
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May resort to pornographic pictures grotesque and cruel literary episodes out of which he weaves fantasies
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on these his imagination dwells until he loses all contact with reality only to find himself suddenly impelled
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to carry his fantasies into the world of actuality this is done apparently by drawing human
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objects into the fantasy the victim may represent something he desires sexually but is unable to
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approach this is true crime garage and this is the slayer's book of death [Music]
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[Applause] [Music] what I just read to you Captain was from the April 1980 volume 49 number four FBI
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law enforcement bulletin this is a law enforcement bulletin from the FBI that goes out to inform and educate law
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enforcement agencies and other departments within the FBI it's my favorite volume that's right
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it's at the top of the stack on your your collector's batch that you have of all of the FBI bulletins I don't know if
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this is still a current thing to be honest with you but um I had often read in other books where Roy Hazelwood and
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John Douglas cited this bulletin and they would reference this bulletin the article that they wrote for the April
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1980 Edition I'd never read the full article itself and I was lucky enough to find it and I
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wanted to include what is my own summary a summarized version of that article because it's many pages long and it goes
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off into a few different areas that are not so important for our case today but in general Captain the bulletin will
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discuss things like training Administration operations community relations and all sort of things from
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fighting crime to just the day-to-day operations of running any Public Service Agency
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they of course include info about who is wanted by the FBI and crime trends in this release they have a great
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section dedicated to Crime problems what they label as crime problems and a lengthy and Brilliant article put
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together by of course two of the garage's favorites and two of the FBI's finest Roy Hazelwood and John Douglas
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again that was my summarized version and I won't go into all of the reasons why it was summarized but again some of
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it's just not important to what we will be discussing today a lot of it focuses on the differences between what they
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were calling the organized non-social and disorganized asocial personalities of these types of killers
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I specifically left those parts out because that was 1980 and since then we have learned that these same profilers
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and others agree that there is also what is called a mixed offender one who exhibits both organized and disorganized
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criminal traits and then to quote Douglas's 1997 book Journey Into Darkness on page 240 Douglas writes in
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this article meaning the FBI bulletin article that we just read we Douglas and Hazelwood divided lust
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murderers into two broad categories organized non-social and disorganized asocial though we don't use the
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non-social and asocial terms much any longer what that means Captain is not so much
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that they do not apply anymore but they still apply however they apply differently than once thought back in
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the late 70s and 1980 when the article came out we have learned obviously so much more
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about lust murderers and serial offenders and Killers since then the purpose of reading that summary in
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the trailer one is it's educational and if we are not learning along the way in this garage Journey well then we are
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just getting dumber and I personally cannot afford for that to happen that's the path I'm on my friend but two
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because it's very much appropriate for this week's case so if you have your speedo on Mr Captain let's dive in shall
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we on Thursday July 29 1993 our case this week starts off in Ellis County Texas now due to the location of this
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week's case we are likely going to reference a lot of cases that the garage has covered in the past if you want to
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listen to those episodes very obviously you get the free Stitcher app and I must
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say captain some of our best work I believe has been conducted in the great state of Texas people outside of Texas
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may not recognize this area by name but they will by location Ellis County is directly south of Dallas
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Texas we covered the strangely still unsolved murder of Missy beavers that homicide took place in the city of
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Midlothian which is in the mid the northwest corner of Ellis County and long time listeners of the garage will
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remember the controversial case of Cameron Todd Willingham The Trial By Fire case that took place in Corsicana
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Texas which is south of Ellis County now Interstate 45 runs from Dallas Texas through Ellis County then down through
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Houston and all the way to Galveston and I-45 is believed by many to have a direct connection to some of the Texas
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Killing Fields cases so our listeners know this area they're familiar this Thursday was a hot and humid one
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can only imagine the hot Texas summer in Late July a road crew was out doing some work now
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that afternoon one of the workers spots something strange off in the brush some distance away
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and he points it out to one of his fellow workers so the two go to investigate as they are getting closer
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one of the men says I think we might be seeing a person and then he says I think it might be a
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woman as they got closer there was a horrific smell sure enough it was a body a dead nude
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female lying partially on her back one of the workers stays with the body the other man ran for a vehicle so that
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they could go and get some help the worker went to the nearest town this is talico
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and notified the authorities now we have the Ellis County Sheriff's Department on the scene here is what
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they found it was in fact the nude body of a female but because of bloating in the Texas
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heat it was difficult to determine on-site just about how long the body had been there
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adding to that the body was missing both the head and hands they had been removed and the body was
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covered in cuts so deputies and detectives searched the immediate area now of course they are
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looking for Clues and evidence but in this situation Unfortunately they are also looking for the female's clothing
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and the missing body parts right but they would notice that the head and hands immediately but wasn't also her uh
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nipples cut off and and her genitalia was mutilated and there was a good deal of Mutilation that was very obvious to
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the detectives on the scene that day now during their search they have an incredibly shocking find the reports
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vary here captain on the distance most State 100 yards away so like a football field distance away right one report
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says more than 200 yards away but regardless what they find is another body this is the body of a Young Man
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the workers were working near the Smith Creek Bridge the female body was located
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in some brush and brambles off of this Gravel Road in this rural location so an area not well traveled a road not used
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often right the male boy was found again some distance away but the body was partially
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in the creek on the creek Bank somewhat near the bridge as his body mutilated that's what's
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that's what's so strange here Captain we have all of this incredible amounts of horrific mutilation done to the female
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body and it does not appear that there was any done to the male body so does that point to the idea that he was just
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in the way he was a casualty she was she was technically this Killer's hunt well
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I I think that it I think that they probably have a lot of initial suspicions and I don't know what they
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are but I think we can go through that somewhat here because what we're really looking at is two very different crime
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scenes from one another right we already discussed the female found lying partially on her back severed head and
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hands completely nude and covered in cuts the male victim very quickly identified as no older than 15 you know
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we don't have the same amount of Mutilation going on to this victim so we can visually take a look and go this is
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a young male and immediately again they're saying no older than 15 was lying face down now he's completely
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clothed and no mutilation no dismemberment yeah shot twice in the head and that's it so the missing body parts
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were not found during the detective's searches of this area the Dallas Medical examiner's
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Office determined that the boy was shot twice in the head as you said so we are not talking about a murder suicide here
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although we have seen strange cases where there are two shots in a suicide but it is very quickly determined that we
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are looking for a we're looking at a murder murder a double homicide yeah well and you could look at the hands as
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a that's a identification marker so did the killer take these hands to so you could it would be harder for you to
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identify her um and then obviously the head but we've seen with Dahmer and maybe you know of
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other killers that that use the head as a trophy uh Bundy was known to take some
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heads as well and he used them for sexual gratification purposes which is a whole nother disgusting
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topic the male was shot with a 22 caliber gun Captain the female was shot as well in
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the back with what they could only determine to be a similar caliber weapon so that makes you wonder do we not find
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they must have found different evidence on the male victim than on the female to
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not be able to specifically State the caliber of the gun used on the female victim but she had been stabbed several
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times as well the head was removed at the base of the neck with either a large hunting knife
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or an ax or possibly a hatchet this is what the medical examiner's office is saying so usually Captain when we are
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saying things like this we think these were possibly the weapons used that would usually indicate that we are not
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talking about something being removed with surgical Precision right there were also Cuts along
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all over the body and she had extensive damage and wounds to her body the abdomen
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had been cut open with a large cut down the center almost like a like a y cut like you would typically see on a body
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once an autopsy had been performed well it was possible that this killer is just
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using one instrument using one knife and that's it possibly yeah and we'll get into some of the
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psychological weird stuff of this and that's why we wanted that intro into this case where we have some of the
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experts telling us a little bit more about this lust murderer so usually and I'm sorry that we didn't tell you in
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advance that you should put down your chicken salad sandwich and wait to eat it this is going to be a tough to listen
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to gross couple of episodes and I I mean I apologize but this is the this is the
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case that we were asked to cover by many listeners this week so usually in this situation here
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Captain a killer will do this I'm talking about the cuts on the abdomen when attempting to successfully
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disembowel a victim now there were cuts and mutilations done to a lot of the body but specifically to
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the thighs breast in genital areas the male body showed no signs of any of this mutilation at all that was seen on the
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female body the male was killed very quickly and it's likely though we can't say for certain because of the state of
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the female body it is likely that she died quickly as well yeah just to me it the evidence points
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that he's just the casualty to get to her so we have the cuts we have the mutilation well
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it was obvious that the Killer and these aren't my words I'm quoting here stayed with the body for quite some
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time in reference to the female victim so we don't know who these victims are and we want to get a time of death or at
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least an approximate time of death so this won't be so much for identification purposes this is more to cross-check
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this approximate time of death against any Alibis of potential suspects especially if we end up in a situation
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where we have more than one suspect and spoiler alert we will before we get into time of death because
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the victim was found nude it is believed that this was obviously a sex crime but
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the medical examiner could find no real signs of sexual assault on the body or signs of this at the scene where the
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body was found also decomposition made it impossible to definitively State this finding another
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weird thing was there was a lot of bruising around the place where the hands had been
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severed and this suggested to the medical examiner and the investigators of the possible use of handcuffs on the female
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victim [Music] [Music] and we're back in our Speedos we be back just like nobody wanted to be the first
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one to Cheers it's hot outside it's cold in the garage I'm well bashful in our Speedos yeah I got on my not only do I
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have all my Speedo but I have my Mighty Van Halen your winter shirt on as well so it's a good it's a good day in
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the garage put some pants on the medical examiner found fly larva on both bodies
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what they will do is they're going to use this fly larva to help determine the approximate time of death because as
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investigators we have a lot of questions here right it looks like they were quite
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thorough with this the medical examiner came to the conclusion but also Enlisted the help of an expert
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in this specific area so getting the second opinion this was provided by a forensic entomologist in Illinois
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the two concluded the following the estimated time of death of both victims was about two days prior between the
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evening of July 26 in the early morning of July 27th but we also have some major questions
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here for the detectives to work out and one that you kept going to but I wasn't ready to get to just yet Captain was why
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remove the head and hands well the hands could be for a number of reasons but like I said before I think it'd be more
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so to stop you from identifying the body correct and I believe that that was the
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initial thought of the Der the detectives on the scene right right but this to me seems like a very
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uh Confused scene or disorganized scene because you have two victims you take the hands of one victim you leave the
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hands of the other victim well now that if you can properly identify the male victim
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we're going to have a better idea of who the female victim is it doesn't seem like
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for for the suspicion of the medical examiner to say that it is obvious that the killer stayed with the body of the
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female victim so we know that there was time spent at the crime scene that was not necessary to the killing of both of
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these victims however the killer or Killers apparently used that time to for excitement purposes rather than for
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preventing the detectives from figuring out what happened here is what it looks like to me because typically removing
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the head and hands as you said is to prevent identification of the victim now the weird thing here is it's 1993 so
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we're in that weird period of time where DNA is starting to come about and so the killer obviously
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didn't know if that was their intention did not know that that DNA was a possibility for identifying the victim
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right it but to go into that a little deeper okay so we've talked about this plenty of
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times on on the show the more effort to conceal a body or conceal the identity of a victim often
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indicates that there's some type of personal relationship with the victim right if
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usually the Killer is trying to conceal himself in a way because he might be the
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most obvious person to have killed the victim could be a boyfriend could be a husband could be hey we went around town
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asking anybody if anybody wanted to hurt Mary Jane and three people told us Bob Smith wants to do it right so he
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doesn't want the victim to be identified but then there's also some other situations that work in that manner as
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well you could have a situation where the victim is not from the area that the victim was brought to the dump site from
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another location usually far away and left there and if law enforcement can't identify the body then they don't know
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that Jane Doe from California or everyone thought you know everyone already thought that she ran away
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uh turns out she was a murder victim right but we can't identify her or Janice doe from Ohio who was abducted
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three weeks ago is actually our victim found in Ellis County Texas but then as you point out you find another body and
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we can deduce from the two victims sharing the approximate time of death that they were placed at about the same
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time and there was no dismemberment of the male victim yeah the to do seem to begin
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so no attempt to conceal this victim's identity so the dismemberment and then compound that with all of the other
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mutilation it seems like the motive for this was simply completely different you know
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they searched the area and the body parts were not found so it wasn't done simply for fun
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and pardon me for saying so but the mutilation appears to have been done for excitement purposes for some of these
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killers the mutilation itself the mutilation of the victim to them is the sexual act that they were fantasizing
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about for some it's what investigators often refer to as playing with or examining
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the body right that really happens it's not so much sexual it's more of a Fascination they want to examine the
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body play with it and then for others and a lot of times you see this mixed in with the sexual aspect or both well
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don't take this the wrong way I don't want to have it come off insensitive but it's it's kind of the idea
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of opening up a radio for example like you you have a radio and you as a kid and you go well how does this work
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what are all the pieces here right or sometimes when a kid gets an instrument like a guitar or something okay I I see
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the neck I see the strings where are the wires oh there's just these screws let me undo that and so it's almost like
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um like you said I mean so but but what you're stating is that there's a sexual gratification from playing with the body
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well there can be and then again there's other times like you just stated where they're fascinated with the body and
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want to take it apart and examine it again it sounds insensitive to say this but this
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is some of the science behind the psychology of some of these horrible monsters that perform acts like this
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that we are talking about today there are reasons why the FBI and people study these types of of horrific murderers so
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that they can get some kind of General understanding for why they do what they do and hope to be able to catch them
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faster the other thing too with this type of Mutilation and I've seen this in several cases before
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is that sometimes when there's a lot of hate and rage built up in somebody in a killer that sometimes not only do they
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want to kill a specific person or specific victim they want to destroy them and they want to destroy them in
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appearance they want their body to not be recognizable When anybody finds it they don't care that it's being found in
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fact they likely want the body to be found they want it to be found in that horrific manner because their goal was
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to not just kill that person but destroy that person and it could be the person is a surrogate for somebody else yeah
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but maybe it's a sub you know like a conscious subconscious type thing where it's like so so consciously you're
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destroying the body because you feel like there's something broken or destroyed inside you or somebody
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destroyed that and you right or subconsciously you could do that yeah but also maybe that you're leaving the
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body behind because subconsciously or I guess consciously you want you want them to find that body
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because that's like a note it's almost like a note saying I was hurt I was broken I was all these things now come
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find me or this is what I'm capable of I mean it could be a little bit of both or could be not thought out well at all
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and but what I do find that's interesting one thing that we kept really going to time and time again in
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the trailer was the thought of a lot of times these killers fantasize about violence they fantasize about killing
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and they've actually thought about it and premeditated what they want to do for a long period of time sometimes
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years sometimes a lifetime and then when an opportunity presents itself they've not premeditated
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that they're going to kill that person on that day at that time it's just this is what I've always wanted to do here's
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my opportunity well it's amazing how different from an actual human these animals are right these monsters are
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because I I remember watching it was and it was a bad Dahmer film um but it was this whole notion that he
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he had this fantasy of laying next to an individual and I remember thinking at the time that's not a bad thing I'm sure
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at some point when I was you know 12 years old I thought I wonder what it'd be like to lay next to a girl so my
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initial thought was oh well he maybe he is just homosexual and wants to lay next
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to a man there's nothing wrong with that until you find out that he wants that individual to be unconscious
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we're dead yeah and then you go whoa that's that's a whole different level here like I don't even
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I couldn't even begin to understand how that would just pop up into an individual's head who I think it works
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differently for everyone yeah yeah I think that some it's it's always been there and some
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it's a a morphing into that over a period of time and there's the psychology behind
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that is typically that the the offender often feels rejected or that they don't belong they don't fit in and that they
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could never please so that on some kind of level they feel better in an intimate setting to be with
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somebody that is unconscious or or already dead because they cannot judge them there's a lot that goes into it and
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then really the other part of this too in our case here Captain is is it possible that the killer took
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these items as a souvenir took the clothing took the missing remains as some kind of
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weird sick souvenir now detectives did catch a huge break okay remember the boy was fully clothed
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well in one of the boys pockets they find a wallet inside the wallet is a library card that's right a good
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old-fashioned library card the name on the card was James with the middle initial b last name King James B
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King now with a lead and a name that could belong to the victim or even maybe the suspect or who knows but
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we have to see where this goes so the detectives start calling around to other police departments
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so Captain there is a small town about 15 miles away from our crime scene named Garrett they learn from the officers in
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Garrett that they recently took a missing persons report two teenage kids were missing a boy and a girl
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the boy was Brian King the girl was his stepsister the report was filed by the parents
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so the detectives take the library card and a photo of the male victim and they go to the home of
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the missing teenagers there despite detectives speak with the father of Brian King they very quickly learn that
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Brian's real name is James Brian King okay so the missing persons report says Brian King they have this library card
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of James King but they figure out the boy's real name is James Brian King same as on the library card James B King
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right the boy went by the name Brian now everyone is fearing that the female victim is likely Brian's stepsister
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Christina and Benjamin the photo of the male victim is shown to the father of the missing kids and he
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confirms that the male victim is in fact his 14 year old son Brian and no one knows for sure but again the
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female victim law enforcement is now working on the theory that she that that victim is the stepsister Christina who
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is age 13 right so who would want to kill a couple of teenagers well the missing persons report will
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provide another good lead in this case Brian's father said that on the night of the kids disappearance
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he woke up to see Brian talking to somebody in a tan sedan so something wakes up James King this
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was late right around midnight right Brian had asked if he could sleep outside you know summertime do a little
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do a little camp out in the yard James goes over to the window after something wakes him up and sees Brian
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talking to someone one report actually says talking to some people in its hand vehicle which would imply
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that James Saul more than one person in the vehicle I don't have the actual police report so
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I can't say for certain but most Reports say talking to some people or talking to
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someone but everything says a tan sedan yeah now this is interesting and what's up with these killers and tan cars
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do they make I don't see a lot of tan cars anymore no I mean Bundy had a tan beetle
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right so what a weird I'd like me a nice flesh colored yeah Cadillac give me a flesh colored vehicle maybe that's the
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fascination I don't know if if I had kids I would if I'd let them sleep outside because I know when I was a kid
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they put the tent outside and then about midnight oh the parents are probably asleep let's go maybe toilet paper maybe
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egg a house you know maybe uh well they call that ding dong ditch where you ring
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the doorbell and you take off running um just stupid stuff and then eventually the cops would come and be like put your
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hands up but uh but then you know you have and and Brian's young I mean he's 14 years old
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and talking to uh somebody in a tan sedan this is an interesting detail because it's a detail that has been
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debated over the years whether it was more than one person in the vehicle or just a driver
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one thing that I think might be a possible answer here is that Brian was talking to someone in the vehicle the
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vehicle contains the driver of the car whoever that is it sounds like Brian's Father James did not have a good clean
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visual of the people in the car I think they're was two people in the car but I think
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that possibly the second person was Brian's stepsister Christina right so here's what we learned Christina was
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asleep inside the house she she shares a room with her little sister now James and his wife obviously did not
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know that Brian was missing technically until the next morning he saw Brian talking with someone in a car and just
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assumed hey it's one of Brian's friends and that James went back to bed the next
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morning he first discovers Brian is gone and then discovers Christina is gone the parents didn't phone this in right
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away because despite the kids being good kids and neither of them had ever done anything like this you know taking off
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in the middle of the night they've never done this before they don't call it in right away because
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of what James saw the parents just assumed the two were out running around with some friends
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this is also backed up because the little sister tells Mom and Dad the next day that around midnight Brian
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came into the sister's bedroom woke up Christina telling her someone was outside
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she should get up and sneak out the family believed that this sounded like something that was pre-arranged
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with both kids gone that day the parents spent the day calling people that knew either Brian or Christina or both and of
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course driving around out conducting their own search for the two teenagers when the kids were gone
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for a second night that morning the parents notified the police so now it looks like we have two teenagers
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sneaking out meeting up with someone in a tan sedan right the parents do not know who the vehicle belongs to
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of course we should assume possibly an older kid here just based off of driving age yeah I don't mind the idea of
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assuming that maybe Brian sisters in the car but it's it's very possible especially at that that
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time of night uh let's say a 16 to 17 year old kid with his license he's driving his friend
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back home and they stop and he talks to Brian and then hey I'm gonna drop off my
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buddy I'll be right back the other interesting thing too is you're also working on the theory that likely
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whoever took them that night or got them to leave willingly that night right must know one or both of the
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teenagers yeah the there was some hair that was found at the body dump site so at the
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crime scene deputies found several strands of blonde hair Christina had long blonde hair
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so kudos to the detective and the deputies who noticed and took this stuff into evidence because of these hairs the
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detectives asked the parents if they could collect some of Christina's hair from the house and compare it to what
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was found and they did the parents also provided an x-ray to police Christina not long ago had an
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accident at school and she broke her foot the parents gave the X-ray to police so
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they could compare this here's what they found the X-ray proved to be a match the
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unidentified female had suffered the same injury so they were pretty certain to begin with already but now they were
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they had proof that the body was that of missing Christina Benjamin the hair is a bit of a different story
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so they found possible hair evidence in more than one location at the two body recovery sites
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some of the blonde hair belong to Christina and some of it did not the hairs did not belong to Brian King
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either so there is a chance the hair belongs to the killer right so as far as leads go
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it looks to me Captain like we are looking for the driver of a tan sedan who was out front at Brian and
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Christina's home around midnight just a couple days earlier and this person may or may not have blonde hair well just
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think about everybody in this case so far I mean think about the cops that have to show up at that scene and what
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they have to deal with what they have to what they now will have to mentally picture for the rest of
00:47:17
their lives yeah think about the two workers that were didn't sign up to be cops or
00:47:24
detectives right that were out they signed up to work on roads I work on roads and they find the body of the
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female victim and then they have to decide who's going to stay with the body while the other person
00:47:40
goes and gets help and notifies the authorities well and then the other thing that you have to wrap your head
00:47:46
around a little bit as far as the parents go as far as the detectives go is you you go okay well now we've we've
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identified the two victims we've got a 14 year old and a 13 year old right brother and stepsister
00:48:03
or sister and Stepbrother however you want to work it's the same thing same thing same difference
00:48:09
but then you go well we did see them possibly talking to somebody at night and we're now putting this person in the
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realm the the possibility of a teenager right we already know the outcome we already know how sick and dangerous
00:48:31
this person is but now you're saying that it's possibly a teenager I mean that's that's a lot I think to
00:48:40
deal with and wrap your head around well you're right because immediately now if
00:48:43
you're if you're thinking that one or both of the victims knew the perpetrator or the perpetrators right that they
00:48:51
would have been someone that ran in one or both of their circles and most likely
00:48:56
putting them closer in age or similar in age to the victims the thing here too Captain is it's
00:49:05
really looking like your window of time is closing that this is not just your best suspect because the tan vehicle was
00:49:13
seen at their home around midnight on the 26th but then we're going to cross check that with the approximate time of
00:49:19
death that's partly why that's so important the approximate time of death is from that same time period the
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evening of the 26th or the morning of the 27th so we have a small window here if this person in the tan sedan was not
00:49:35
the killer then they have a lot of explaining to do and then we need to further our timeline past that person
00:49:42
for our victims before they end up dead at that dump site right now this next bit Captain is from true crime author
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Catherine Ramson she is discussing the fact that local detectives consulted with profilers regarding these specific
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murders she says the profilers went on to describe this killer as organized anti-social and
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fitting the typical Behavior profile of what they called a lust murderer what excited him was torture and mutilation
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and possibly even a bit of necrophilia such people were driven by violent fantasies and when opportunity and
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tension crossed paths the result was usually destructive this person would abuse substances and
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would have a car and be fairly mobile he would collect weapons and take souvenirs
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from the crime scene he would also attend to media coverage and collect articles about his crimes the motive was
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typically wrapped up in rejection hostility towards society and an erotic attraction toward violence
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