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[Applause] [Music] welcome to the show you handsome handsome devils and devilettes she's a handsome
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woman she sure is handsome yeah now we got uh the spring break of crime is upon us you know
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what's I really do want to see uh James renner's Onan show is um wait a second do you know about this like the there's
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uh oh Jimmy rener oh J Jamesy rener I actually um he and I we we we're not tight tight but we do stay contact with
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each other but the left hand and the right hand don't really know what the other one's doing if that makes so what
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is is James Renard doing a oneman show at crime con no I don't okay that's what I thought when you said that I pictured
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on T he's on tour right now I pictured like Billy Crystal you know doing that that whole uh oh what's what did Billy
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Crystal call that that's a really good onean show by the way well let me let me pull this up I'll I'm going to James
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rener [Music] he has his new book Muse have you read that yet no have not okay so here here's what it says it says
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James rener the best is also it's supposed to be like this artsy picture of of James and it doesn't look much
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like James and and he's a he's a handsome man he's a handsome woman um it says a mix of standup and frightening
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story about our obsession with crime so yeah now I do know this about James rener um so this kind of fits him
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a little bit wait no he he's going to be doing a show in New Orleans at the New Movement so maybe we should go to there
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so not at crime con per se he's going to be there for Crime con and then he's going to this other location to do his
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oneman show yeah which it which includes juggling chainsaws in lots of pyot Technics it's a mix of standup so rener
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was I don't remember what college he went to it was somewhere here in Ohio it wasn't a good one but when when he was
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in college he was part of some group kind of like like shadow box where it's where it's like a was like a local
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Saturday Night Live sketch comedy sketch uh you know things I I don't know anything about it other than other than
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that um and I don't remember how I even know that okay so well check out James runner.com if you're interested he's
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going to be in Nashville on the 5th Birmingham on the 6 June 8th he's going to be in New Orleans June 11th Charlotte
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June 13th will be he will be in Washington DC and on June 14th he'll be in Brooklyn
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so but he's going to be driving around and then crime conon becomes part of his I hope he's f stops actually or yeah he
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could be flying um but he will be at crime con I know that well yeah I can't say for certain with rener but he's told
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me he was going to be there no he'll be there and uh he's always fun to hang out
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with I mean other than the fact that you know with when one of your you know crime host and and I maybe
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said it before on the show but I really liked The Disappearance of Mara Murray the the docu series on
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oxygen and I thought oh the the host Maggie she's cute and she said hey when we when we get to Crime con let's hang
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out and so after one of the events that she was doing she sends me a text let's go get something to eat I went of course
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and then who has to intrude on the lunch old Jimmy rener but um no it was good it was
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actually probably more interesting because the behind the scenes talk between those two was was worth it mhm
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so no you know no and I think uh I mean we kid about rener but if he's charging you
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money he he's not going to if if it's a $150 show he doesn't stop at a $150 yeah
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he's going to give you a $10 show he keeps going $20 show he doesn't stop he's like Steve Martin just keeps going
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so no no it's uh it's cool for him I I just don't know one I go the first thought in me is like well
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if he can get people cuz I he did post a picture of of the crowd and they're not
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big venues but the venue he was at was packed and I thought I wonder if Captain can go on tour a mix of
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standup oh say a mix of standup and a bunch of random nonsense um me bitching about
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me bitching about random things well I want to take this time to point out to it's about me no point out to everybody
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that's listening that is going to Crime con within the next couple days I'll be there yeah Captain will be there and um
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I might show up and but here's here would be my recommendation to anybody that's going to Crime con for the very
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first time to go to the crime con website before you leave wherever you're coming from yeah crime con.com let me go
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there real quick Captain's going to go there I'm there right now and you can pull up the the scheduled or the
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schedule of events for this year's crime con and I imagine this is probably been
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up there for some time but you know they they advertise this is going to be there
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this or that and the other thing's going to be there but then as you get closer you get a real list of events and the
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times that you can go to those different events and and we do have to remember anybody that's VIP they can do
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special meetups so if I get a text about a Meetup you have to go this year cuz I
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told you about we'll see I told you about that poor girl that showed up to the VIP and I was like well that's I
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eventually said well it's kind of odd that you just wanted to meet me and she goes no I wanted to meet both of you oh
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and I was like oh well it's kind of weird that I assumed that you just wanted to meet me well that was kind of
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a weird weird thing because I um it wasn't like I thought it was something I was supposed to go to and didn't show up
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it was something I thought I wasn't supposed to go to they never sent you a text they were just communic they're
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trying to communicate to both of us just through me and I was not aware of that well yeah because I think they were
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asking you hey are you going to be there which almost sounds singular yeah are you going to be there but we did get
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some cool beer which was cool and uh and then there was a some listeners that brought us some care package or
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something like that so here's my personal recommendation to firsttime attendees of this year's crime con or
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even if you've been in the past and and haven't learned this yet well and some people are not going for the whole
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weekend some people just go for the day so this is more a vice for everyone for everyone it works for every because of
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this there are events on all three days and some of those events are scheduled at the same times as other events and
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sometimes events overlap uh each other it what I'm getting at is there's I don't think it's
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humanly possible well I I know from looking at the schedule it's not humanly possible to attend everything that they
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got going on and that's why it's something that you and I enjoy being a part of so much because it is it's
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expensive to go I'm not going to lie like the tickets I don't think are cheap no but on top of that I do want people
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to know that that if you do spring for those tickets and I and I realize everybody has a choice on how they spend
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their hard-earned money but the thing that I've always felt good about crime con and being a
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part of it is every time I show up I'm like wow there is so much [ __ ] going on
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here there's so much to do and see and listen to and to be a part of now when we did the first year and Indianapolis I
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was only able to drop in for a couple of hours because of a prior engagement the last year I was really
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able to soak in the whole experience of crime con for the first time and the first thing that really jumped off the
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page to me was when I was reviewing I didn't review the schedule until like Friday morning while we were sitting
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there at podcast row MH and I'm revie the schedule I'm like o I'd like to go to that I'd like to go to this I'd like
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to go to but it was a little overwhelming to just be trying to sit there and do it on the Fly that's why I
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would recommend everybody go to the website now that the the schedule is posted there for everyone to see you can
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decide and pick and choose and especially if you're going with a significant other or some friends some
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family maybe you have some time to chat in advance and say hey we'd like to do a
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lot of this stuff as a group or together let's what do you want to see what do you want to see and you can plan it out
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a little bit I mean just for instance on the first day on Friday June 7th at 12 12:30
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p.m. there's four different things you can go to at 12:30 so what they typically do in this the way they did it
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last year which I'm hoping the layout is similar because it worked so well last year is they had these big conference
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rooms these big auditoriums and each of these these kind of showcased events or presentations
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would be in one of these large conference rooms or Auditorium type settings right and then most of those
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were were all kind of along the same strip that was crime con which was the The Strip itself was pretty much made up
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of podcaster row MH so you could kind of walk in and go all right well I want to
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see this and on your way in you could say hi to the guys from crawl space or you could go see this event and at the
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end of it you can come and jump over to our table and say hi to Nick and the captain uh but yeah just for as a prime
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example okay and then at 1:45 p.m. on Friday 1 2 3 4 five six s eight different things you could attend wait
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where you at at 1:45 on Friday 1:45 yep so you really kind of got to look at it in advance and some of this stuff like
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as as deep into True Crime as you and I are when I review this kind of list some
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of these things I have to look up and go okay who is this who is cuz you I really
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want to get the most bang for my buck and so you want to really figure out what you want to do I I'm just going to
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Rattle off some things that kind of jump off the page here one thing that looks interesting right away well no there's
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more than that because at that same time podcast row is going till 2:45 right so
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now you have nine things that you could choose from but podcast row goes long enough that you could you could go to
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the 12 12:30 event and then go to podcast row or you could skip a 12:30 event go to podcast row and then attend
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one of these 145 events yeah you notice I just I'm like looking through all this stuff I'm going oh yeah uh whne
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and crime podcast live uh um artinis and murder um live where's another one uh Once Upon a
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Crime podcast live and I see all these these events and we don't have an event there's no I prefer it that way well me
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me too but it makes us seem like uh we're Slackers or something well we are but the thing is we sit at this
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podcaster row and we've been very lucky because the last two years it we're we're busy from the start
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of podcast Row from the time it opens till the time it shuts down so very popular we uh well or or just I don't
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know what it is but for whatever reason we're busy the whole time and and uh so yeah and I mean putting on a there's a
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lot of drinking that's involved in this okay so all right let's let's start here
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first thing that jumps off the page to me that I would want to see 12:30 p.m. on Friday the art of interrogation a
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serial killer confesses this is with our friend friend of the show former special
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agent from the FBI Jeffrey rck yeah remember he was on our show talking about the Danny uh henin
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abduction and he his book we recommended his book um I can't think of it off the
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top of my head very good stuff I know what this presentation would be about from from reading his book and from
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talking with Jeff quite a bit so Jeff one thing he was involved in and this is very interesting and this is what his
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presentation would be about I'm guessing he he picked up a witness okay there there
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was a guy that the FBI wanted to talk to because they believed he was either a witness or knew something about a series
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of murders that was going on at the time this guy was not considered a suspect okay after he talks with Jeff
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for a while it's very quickly they figure out this guy should be a suspect not a witness we need to treat him a
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little differently during this portion and the the um the offender told the FBI said you know what
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I'll I'll talk and I'll start telling you what you want to know but I'm only willing to talk to uh Jeffrey rck so
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that's really interesting He he'll be able to take you through that that was the uh yosity murders that he was
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involved with that investigation yeah and then I'm going to jump down to 145 because there's a there's a bunch like
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you said probably too much there's a couple meet and greets you can meet Jeff afterwards uh he's doing a little
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meet and greet but then you have the behind the staircase behind the staircase yeah so so with Jeff one thing
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too I I would remind everybody dude is super friendly super nice guy don't be intimidated that you're talking to a
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former FBI agent uh speak for yourself he was he was very nice to us and to our show very likable guy and as Captain
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points out that's seems very interesting behind the staircase with David Rudolph so David would
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be he's an interesting cat because he was the guy that represented Michael Peterson in the first series of Trials
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right and he also represented uh Ray kth who we've covered both of those cases on
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the show now David Rudolph's a bad man bad man the thing about David Rudolph he's he's
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one of those guys that's very interesting to me for a couple reasons one I usually don't like typically like
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and I think most people in the general public have a similar opinion but I typically punch in your microphone stand
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or what are you doing no I'm not um most people don't typically like a defense attorney who is representing
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somebody that they strongly believe to be guilty like oh you're defending a bad person right a horrible person and in
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both of these cases in particular which were two of his more high-profile cases these were these were murder
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cases but I here's what I will say about David Rudolph I find him to be extremely
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brilliant at what he does at his occupation because even though he's he's been you know hired to defend these very
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bad people he's very good at his damn job like if I find myself into some in in some hot water you know especially if
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I'm innocent you I would hire David Rudolph if I were able to because this guy knows
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his stuff um if anybody can get Michael Peterson off to get him you know retrial
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and all that jazz M uh that that shows you one heck of a job there's a Black Dalia thing same time case study that's
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going to be interesting K9 detection demonstration okay so here's a a helpful hint a just a tip to all the attendees
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of crime con if you enjoy the High Times if you're bringing a little smoke with you make sure that you don't bring it to
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the K9 detection demonstration with Joseph James that would be bad yeah or maybe
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not fly with it you know if you get arrested oh no no you don't fly with it of course of course
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you don't fly with it you'll get caught I like um you get this the case against Adnan Sayed still not free Robia at 3:00
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yeah that looks pretty good David Rudolph again meet and greet I will I will drop by and say hi to Mr
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rud well it's kind of you know it's sad though whne and crime should ask me to be like a co-host for these events look
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it's I take it back the fact that we're doing nothing that's good I mean other than the meet and greets and we're doing
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we're doing everything we were asked to do right but but these but okay once upon a crime they should have asked me
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shame on shame on you for not asking me to be a part of your event I'm I'm going
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through a couple more let me I'm just let me just touch on a couple of yeah I don't want to point out every single
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thing because this would turn Miss Mar Murray podcast live that when is that that's Saturday
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right Saturday oh you're going too far what else do we at 1:30 p.m. no here what I'm saying is they should have
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asked me shame on you Tim and Lance shame on you I bet they asked Maggie to be a part of it I bet they asked Maggie
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shame on you Tim and Lance everybody go unsubscribe to crawl space right now no there's a lot of stuff um and and
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more so look crime con keeps getting better the first year uh it was nice it was good it but
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they were new at it second year it got way better and I can only imagine that it's going to keep getting better and
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with the amount of stuff yes it's kind of tough because like you said that's kind of the bummer about is
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that there is things at the same time where you go I'd like to go to both of those um
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yeah but you got to pick and choose okay a tribute to the queen of True Crime and
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Rule at 5:30 this to on Friday that sounds awesome that looks good and uh the jury experience that's
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for VIP members only but that's that's cool Injustice with Nancy Grace our friend Nancy Grace
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645 Nancy Grace she's so little every time yeah you could fit her in a Fab fit fun box
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no the the funny thing is people go oh Nancy Grace I I hate her or maybe you love her it's it's normally you either
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love her or you hate her but me if you meet her you'll just love her like you know cuz there is quite a bit of
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screaming and yelling on her show um and I you know what to be honest with you I
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I've had some people tell me behind the scenes that have been on the show and they're like it's all shtick and you
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know what some of it might be but but also feel like her her background I mean she was a a a family member of a murder
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victim she was a prosecutor at one time I think she can be and that's just her personality she's a pitbull when she
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feels like she should be but to meet her in person she's just like the sweetest Southern lady that you would ever meet
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she's she's very funny I was surprised at how funny she is I said at one point you know we've all talked [ __ ] about
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Nancy on our shows and her reply was it's okay I don't even know who you guys are and I just thought what a witty
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comeback no but uh Once Upon a Crime uh podcast which they should have invited me but they didn't and um Esther is this
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great she's awesome so go support that make sure you support all the the podcast here what's going to happen
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though you're going to have now you're going to have one or two or all three of these too late podcast I was going to
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say now you're going to turn them down profiling dirty John yeah that's good you you listened to dirty John didn't
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you did you listen to that yeah well that was a while ago 10:15 a.m. it still baffles me that it goes from on Saturday
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I I believe dirty John was originally aired on like a date line and it oh yeah yeah it was it was like a just a 1 hour
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or two hour deal right on Dat line or 2020 and I think what's so fascinating to me about it is I thought the podcast
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was done well but it was it it was very similar to kind of what we do where it's
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like we look into a case not always afterwards but we're looking to a case we're diving into it
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we're putting all the pieces together so that way have you ever heard about a case it's like here's a bunch of details
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and and when you when when you break down dirty John the podcast it was basically a a deeper look into that and
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they were able to do long form interviews with with different people involved in case so is really
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taking uh a dateline episode or a 2020 episode and put a magnifying glass on it and and getting you six hours and mean
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and once you listen to that podcast you know all the ins and outs and somehow because of the popularity of the
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podcast they turned it into like a a drama show on TV which I have not seen I've
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seen Clips or previews but it was it's amazing to me that cuz here's what doesn't make sense
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to me if I would listen to the podcast about the true thing why would I want to watch a drama version on TV about
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it um that's what doesn't make any sense Maybe I'm Wrong I get it but but a lot of people watched the Menendez thing
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yeah that was a dramatization a lot of people watch this not right after yeah but this is not right after the fact you
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see what I'm saying like that's that you know if they would have waited a couple
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years and then they're like hey we turn this into like a mini series see that's why you should be a TV executive because
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they would have brought that idea to you and they would have already filmed it all and paid for it and you'd be like
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I'm the captain well wait uh I call the shots around here you bring this back to
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me in 17 years and we will Air it well no look I'm sure they made I'm sure they made money on it but that
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that's my issue is I think sometimes we're chasing the dollar too much here's something 11:30 a.m. on Saturday okay
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we're on okay Saturday I'm going to try to go in order yet I'm going try to go in order here
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um well yeah you should be because we will be at podcast row when at 11:30 a.m. on
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Saturday so there's also at that same time you have it's not on my okay there it is never mind we have the NYPD
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Cannibal Cop case that's with our friend Brian Whitney who we've recommended a couple of his books as well as he was on
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off the record with us talking about he's the guy that um he did the book about oh what was
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that Canada case yeah yeah uh puka NADA yeah puka so he interviewed both uh I can't think of the Guy's real name the
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Luka magn Luca magnata yeah he interviewed both Luca magnata and Luca's mother yes for for his last book it's
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interesting to see how many people and how many things going on with this event have links back to the garage we only
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have one hour that day uh one hour for that time period so it's it's a small podcast row so but at the same time you
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have death in Dark Water which is going to be exclusive look into the Natalie Wood death
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investigation of course uh this is this is basically it's like crimecon garage.com it's like opening up the
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garage and just inviting everybody in we should get we should be get paid more money for this we wait rephrase that we
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should be getting paid money for this well how do you know I'm not I negotiated a different deal than
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you I said well we know that Nick's going to be there cuz has nothing better to do but
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me I was supposed to do a oneman I was supposed to do a a a two-man comedy tour with James rener and I had to turn it
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down so I could be okay let's sorry let's get back the DNA of murder with Paul holes is at
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2:45 p.m. on Saturday ah [ __ ] I just lost my schedule here I just lost my spot too so Paul holes did it did you
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watch the uh before they caught the Golden State killer um he was the the young goodlooking
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investigator that and I think he's considered kind of a centerpiece at this year's crime con because I think oxygen
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puts puts it on and I think he's got a big new oxygen show coming out but he is an interesting cat as well because I
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watched that there were multiple Golden State killer things that came out all at
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once before it was solved M or believed to be solved and he was on one of them I don't know
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if he was on both of them because I only watched one I can't recall the name of it but that dude was fascinating to me
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cuz he was talking about a map that they found and at the time they thought maybe
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it wasn't connected and then he went through like these different subdivisions and stuff and figured out
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that it the the drawings this map this drawing of a map lined up with one of the subdivision like this dude was
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working hard on that case and he's part of the reason why they went and did the DNA the genealogy investigation in that
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case so that I feel like that's almost a camp Miss uh for something just to circle on
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your calendar there what else yeah but I thought there was a deli thing on Saturday do you see
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it you got a bigger do you have a bigger version than what I'm looking at well you you missed uh at 1:30 missing maram
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Murray podcast live wonder what the talk about but also that you have the date line meet and
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greet our buddy Josh I could never say his name correctly man man I don't know who from D line
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Keith Morris is going to be there you gotta meet Keith Morris Josh man manski or something was I on Friday or
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Saturday on Saturday now that's at 2:45 and you were just cuz you were just talking uh about the Paul holes thing at
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the same time uh cwl space podcast live man that's a lot to do like what is what
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is Tim and Lance thinking like backto back podcast live so if the first one doesn't go well the second one which it
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won't and if it doesn't yeah and if it doesn't go well then then your next one is screwed right I was listening to
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crawl space last week they had um Thomas on there he's the older brother of I'm going off of memory Kathleen Kathy
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Thomas right who was one of the victims of the parkway the Colonial Parkway murders so at four o00 you have Chris
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Darden um yeah Chris Darden the uh prosecutor in the OJ trial I'd like to shake his hand I me too that's going to
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be one of my goals I'm going to go to is what just a meet and greet with Chris Darden at 5:15 there is one I will I
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will be there but guess no you won't because podcast row is at the same time well maybe it can go from 5:15 to 6:15
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and I'll rush over there after our podcast row MH yeah so yeah well it's cool though
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there's two podcast rows one uh just for an hour and then a few hours later another one for an hour and look it's
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weird too because a lot of people um oh Chris darden's doing a presentation at 4 p.m. on on Saturday
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Chris Darden from OJ yeah I already said that oh sorry I thought you mentioned the meet and greet oh that's at the same
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time okay and that's at the the 4:00 things at the same time is the deli murders yeah see that's what happened to
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me last year there was a couple of events that there was a bunch of events that I wanted to go to and a lot of them
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I couldn't because we were at podcast row but a couple of the events I'm like do I go to this one or this one you know
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what I mean like I really had to choose and so then I figured out with one of with two of the events that I couldn't
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decide between they were right next to each other so I actually sat in on half of of the one and then ran over and sat
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into the second half of the other yeah I mean there's a lot going on and and Saturday is going to be a fun fun day um
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we're going to get in Thursday right and then we'll start Thursday night Sunday morning 9:30
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a.m. M for the early risers Escape from Alcatraz that's Arthur Rodrick rodderick
00:31:35
he that was a book we recommended we've never had Arthur on the show you're going to tell me that between Dr Henry
00:31:43
Lee well that's another good one to go to I would not want to be put up next to Dr Henry
00:31:50
Lee yeah if I'm a Arthur right the other thing though too do they once something fills up are they like
00:32:00
that's it you got to go to something else yeah I mean fire code I I have not been you know the the smallest room that
00:32:10
I was in last year was to watch um uh thing most the rooms are very big well yeah but some of the live podcast
00:32:21
rooms are not huge um but it was it was pretty big it was pretty impressive and it's so sad that they're not going to be
00:32:29
there cuz I had so much fun with thinking sideways last year and they're not going to be there this year so
00:32:36
serial killers Among Us with John White yeah now John White's a very common name
00:32:41
so I'm not certain if I'm correct here but I believe John White is a forensic psychologist he's a former investiga
00:32:51
investigative sergeant from the Dallas Police Department yeah he was on the Dallas Police Department and he's also a
00:32:57
forensic psychologist and if you remember our mad bomber episode that we did last year probably summer of last
00:33:07
year that's where a lot of this whole criminal profiling that was kind of the birth of criminal profiling it started
00:33:15
with these forensic psychologists so that would be interesting and then there's a Dr Henry
00:33:22
Lee meet and greet which which would be cool cuz I've never met him you can just
00:33:28
tell by by his personality that that jumps off the screen when you watch him on TV seems like a incredibly nice guy
00:33:35
yeah but that's uh during the podcast row well yeah I'm I'm pointing out things I would like to go to obviously
00:33:42
because we're we have all these obligations I won't be able to go to most of them well and and if you're in
00:33:49
the area on Friday night we're going to be uh I believe the hotel that the event is happening at is
00:33:57
the Hilton mhm and we're going to do a a meet and greet for anybody it's going to
00:34:05
be us and Generation Y Hilton Riverside yeah Hilton Riverside I'm sure other podcasters are going to be there but the
00:34:14
the main two is Generation Y and US MH and I'm going to invite Tim and Lance to come out I told Bill our good friend
00:34:23
Bill Huffman bill will be there from Northeast Ohio the the who killed Amy mahalic podcaster told him to be well I
00:34:30
I can't say that he will be there he will make if he's not he's a he's a loser we James rener will be there and
00:34:37
if he if he doesn't show up he's bill is about the size of James rener so here's
00:34:43
what we'll do we told Bill about it we'll just grab him up and take him there we could move him there no problem
00:34:51
we'll just duct tape his hands to the table and he'll be stuck there don't don't you
00:34:58
oh here's an here's something to talk about Captain so du tap bill yeah wait till I think he subscribes to this show
00:35:06
so he's going to hear this he's going to be ready for us hey Bill guess what we just we just change what we're going to
00:35:13
do I just wrote a note put it on the window we have a different tactic yeah we're not going to use duct tape anymore
00:35:19
you better be ready you son of a [ __ ] dirty sonty you dirty dog um so no I told you about what he did he he sent me
00:35:28
a nice email saying hey I'm looking for some music for this uh for some some other project he's doing for this crime
00:35:36
podcast thing I'm doing and and look no further than the the best guy doing podcast music for True Crime the captain
00:35:45
and I went oh that's that's very sweet when do you need when do you want it done well I'd like to launch it five
00:35:52
minutes ago you know uh crime con and it's like there's so much preparation and and and what a lot of we're we're
00:35:59
doing crime con but then you're going to be gone for a week yeah so we got a lot
00:36:04
of preparation to keep the garage ship going while you're gone and so it is it's weird because it seems like a
00:36:13
lot of work it seems shitty at the time but then once we hit that vacation point it it seems a
00:36:22
lot nicer well it's the nature of the Beast you know you every job out there a lot of a lot of jobs out there have
00:36:28
to you have to jum dump yourself into the rat race a week or two in advance to make sure you cover everything that
00:36:36
you're supposed to have covered for while you're gone and then when you get back it's it's some catch-up work as
00:36:41
well but yeah like no no vacation goes unpunished right well there's that old saying that no man needs a vacation more
00:36:49
than the man who just had one um that's so true okay so here's here's a a good topic for us right now crime con 2020 so
00:36:59
when we got to Crime con 2018 last year in Nashville you know what here's Big shout out to Nashville I freaking love
00:37:08
thatv was a great that's a great great City and did you see the the turnout for the NFL draft at at Nashville it was
00:37:17
like hundreds of thousands of people partying in the streets I don't know if that's how I don't know if that number
00:37:22
is accurate but that's what it looked like on TV it was amazing uh so crime con 2020 when we got to Crime con
00:37:30
con last year correct me if I'm wrong because I often am you're wrong last year when we got there at the opening
00:37:39
for Crime con 2018 they announced what both the dates and the location of 2019 no it at the end oh was at the end
00:37:49
so if they if they follow their their same platform that they've already established then by the end or at the
00:37:58
end of this year's crime con we should learn the dates in location for 2020 right we already know the dates of 2020
00:38:06
okay when is it May 1st and 3rd 1st through 3rd yep May 1st through 3rd 2020 location to be to be announced so it's
00:38:19
significantly earlier next year and it and going off of memory that looks like to be the earliest that it has ever been
00:38:26
because weren't we 2018 it was right around Cinco de Mayo right so maybe the same time because oh
00:38:34
yeah [ __ ] because that was I kept thinking that it's around it was right on like the anniversary of West Memphis
00:38:40
3 yeah they're it it's weird though because they're doing some other crime con type events but not the big
00:38:48
convention and I wonder if it's you know there was rumors that they were going to
00:38:53
try to do like a a crime con 2020 more of a East Coast one and then do a crime conon 2020
00:39:02
more of a West Coast which would be good I mean we we have a hard time doing meetups and stuff like that
00:39:10
because we put out so much content um but it'd be it'd be kind of cool to do it twice a
00:39:16
year well so that that is interesting because so far the first three have all been in
00:39:24
the eastern half of the United States yeah um so maybe the Western people feel left
00:39:30
out plus the further you have to travel the more timec consuming and usually the
00:39:34
more expensive it gets yeah but they're doing um I think it's called Uh crowds but is that the same people
00:39:44
that's not the same people no it's a different thing but they're doing one in Seattle okay um so what if you could
00:39:53
pick the city in the in let's limit it to the the 48 states if you could pick the city for
00:40:02
2020 what would be your number one pick um if you if you don't do I have to pick
00:40:07
a region or I could just any City I would pick a city I'd like to go to Portland there you go I think that would
00:40:15
be cool um haven't been so because I'm trying to think of places I haven't been Chicago is awesome but I
00:40:25
was trying to think of like C I already like like there's a bunch of cities I haven't been to that that would be great
00:40:33
well I've been to Nashville a bunch and I've been to Indianapolis a bunch and then I've been to New Orleans a bunch so
00:40:39
to me it's like I've already been there you know I I kind of want a place that I
00:40:44
haven't been um I think Austin Texas would be cool yeah I really like Texas and and
00:40:53
I've been to Dallas a few times in Fort Worth and let me let me something out into this world real
00:41:00
quick do you know who one of my favorite singer songwriters is and he's from Austin uh I'm going I'm going to smack
00:41:11
myself when you say it because I I probably know but I nothing comes to mind Maybe not maybe
00:41:17
not he's a he he's a odd one I've probably talked to him about him a bunch but he's not he's not super popular like
00:41:27
in the pop um world right mhm in the pop culture ethos Bob Schneider okay you're right I didn't
00:41:40
know and I know I've played you songs from him like when we're just hanging out in the garage and and waiting to do
00:41:46
the show or whatever but Bob Schneider he's just one of my favorites he's super talented
00:41:55
um he he's just amazing right mhm and he's a part of a songwriter group and what they do is they have
00:42:08
um they'll they'll pick topics right so like they'll say this week we're we're writing a song
00:42:16
about the Movie silence of the lamps and that's your homework and then you record you know just some kind of
00:42:27
cheap recording right do some little cheap recording and then you send it to everybody so everybody can kind of
00:42:33
critique it but it's pretty cool right like concept wise right so my last EP as far as my singer songwriter
00:42:46
project is or was right mhm the name of that e EP which you probably don't know is I'm
00:42:58
okay right I'm bringing this up because you brought up Austin Texas that's where
00:43:03
he's from so Bob Schneider this singer songwriter I found out about a lot of the songwriter challenges that he's done
00:43:13
with his songwriting group so I've taken those challenges and try to write songs
00:43:17
myself based off those categories both off those topics I'm such a fan of his that he
00:43:27
inspired the title of the last record I'm okay and then I just found out let's see I just found
00:43:38
out last week or so it's been out I think this whole year but I just found out about it Bob
00:43:49
schneer has a podcast called I'm okay you're okay I'm not okay you're not okay hm yeah so he's been out for a while
00:43:59
though yeah but so this is my thing is he's one of the guys that I I you know if if you had
00:44:06
like to pick five people that you'd sit down at a dinner with MH he's one of the
00:44:11
guys I'd put at that table but I'm thinking now because he has a podcast that there's a
00:44:20
possibility that maybe I'll make a connection there I mean not after he hears this of course right because he'll
00:44:31
be like this guy's a raging psychopath but yeah no I had to I had to put that out there but I
00:44:37
mean my record last year was called I'm okay his his podcast is now called I'm okay you're okay I'm not okay you're not
00:44:46
okay mhm so yeah that's my that's that's my random story moving on uh yeah Austin
00:44:55
Texas would be cool I think Atlanta Georgia would be cool but I've been to Atlanta a bunch yeah
00:45:02
yeah no I I I told you I'm kind of selfishly thinking of cities I've already been to yeah but what's a city
00:45:08
that you haven't been to then well that's the problem um that I don't want to go to a city that I've not been to
00:45:15
because oh because we spend so much time at the right it's just it's just like when I used to travel for work all the
00:45:21
time people some people that didn't travel for work thought it was like the neatest thing in the world and I'm like
00:45:27
yeah I don't do anything I work I work a 10 to 14 hour day each day and then when
00:45:32
all the work's done I fly home you know it's not like it's not like you go to a city and you get to experience the city
00:45:40
my whole thing when I did that and my whole thing when I when I do this uh crime con
00:45:45
is um you know really you have enough time to have a nice dinner each night and that's about it it's it doesn't
00:45:52
leave a lot of time to go into the city or to seek out you know attractions that
00:45:58
that they may have so it's um I'm thinking of cities that I've that I've gone to before and already enjoyed and
00:46:07
then that way I kind of know that I know that I have a quick a limited amount of time so I know spots
00:46:15
that I want to hit you know what I mean like that's why Nashville was so cool for me because there was a couple places
00:46:21
that i' had been before and really enjoyed and I'm like cool I'll just I'll just very quickly go back there for a
00:46:26
little a little bit um no I've never been to New Orleans and I am looking forward to New Orleans I've heard a lot
00:46:33
of good things I've heard some smelly things as well um but yeah yeah I mean it's it's a tough one like you said I
00:46:43
I've never experienced crime con as just a person attending crime con like so I wonder if they have a little more time
00:46:53
to experience whatever City because a lot of the people that I hang out with will be like oh yeah we're
00:47:00
doing this and we're doing this and we're doing this other than crime con but no I get that because just because
00:47:06
they have tickets to Crime con they're not obligated to be at any of those events they can pick and choose you know
00:47:13
where we we've agreed and and made an obligation and um and and told our our listeners that we will be at a certain
00:47:21
place at a certain time so therefore we are going to adhere to that but I think what I think wherever it would be next
00:47:31
year now that I put a little more thought into it because of it being May 1st through the
00:47:38
3 so June is always like a super busy month for me and with it being that early in May I think I could do
00:47:47
something different where especially if it's in a city that I've never been to before maybe maybe now I'm pushing for a
00:47:53
city that I've never been to before because now I could maybe go in a day early leave a day late that kind of
00:48:01
thing make a little more of a he told me to tell you when you're wrong so it turns out I was wrong yeah yeah good
00:48:08
thing I'm here I didn't factor in the uh the the the date yeah factor in that I'm
00:48:15
always right [Music] [Applause]