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thank you [Music] [Music] thank you foreign garage and this is part two of When a
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Killer calls [Music] hello [Music] the next day with pictures and detailed information from the time I picked
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Cherry up at the mailbox and chill up till tonight in my departure from this Earth sure Smith might as well call it
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off it's over I will not be taken Alive Don told me to turn myself in or turn myself over to God or I'll never live in
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peace and never be forgiven and go to heaven well turn yourself over [Applause] all you had to do was let her go I was
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scared she she was dehydrated so damn bad you could have called me for medicine I would have met you anywhere
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yeah that's irrelevant now oh I mean all you had to do was let her go such a beautiful young life I know that I mean
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why I have to join her now hopefully and uh Mrs Smith please please okay well that's it I got together did she know
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you when you stopped and you'll see you brought a picture of her car door and cars in the background
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and uh there'll be pictures all there I think there's about eight pitchers and Charlie Kai's will be receiving a set
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and a detailed letter like I told you at his house and I if the mail doesn't slow
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it down which you probably will if you don't get it tomorrow you get it the next day you'll get exact copies of
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pictures that he gets and uh exact letters too do you know all of us or just Sherry the whole family
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unfortunately that's why I can't face you if I decide different I've already coached on what's going to happen here
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tonight only need to be collect and I'm gonna allow myself enough time just enough time to get back in the area to
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set everything up if you don't hear from me tonight and Sheriff mess and Charlie
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kinds I used him as a medium today because I knew the calls were being traced and they came real close to
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catching me three or four different times and they were correct I am in a red vehicle what kind I'm sorry I I
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don't want him to catch me before I meet my maker Judgment Day you think the maker is going to forgive you now
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he'll do that or I'll be crucifying to go to hell that's right now and you need to meet with somebody
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that can talk to you well like a lot to think about and I'm gone Mr Smith and please I I know this might be selfish
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but y'all please ask yourself a prayer for me your daughter said that she was not afraid and she was strong-willed it
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she uh knew that she was going to heaven was going to be an angel and like a choked on she was going to be singing
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like crazy when she said she was smiling did you tell her you were going to kill
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her yes I did and I gave her the choice like it's only recording uh she asked her if she wanted to be drug overdose
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shot or uh suffocated and she picked supplication my God how did you well [Applause]
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[Applause] thank you the day after they found the body of Sherry Smith the killer called the home
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again and this time he called collect he asked to speak with Dawn he told her he would be sending the family the
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photos of Sherry and he asked her for forgiveness and for their prayers he said he was going to commit suicide
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because this thing got out of hand and all he wanted to do in the beginning was to make love to Dawn and that is why he
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was watching her Dawn startled by this interrupted the man and asked the man make love to whom
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then he corrected himself and he said the name Sherry and he hung up the phone later that same day the killer called a
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local TV network and asked for a specific reporter and told that reporter he planned to turn himself in at some
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point and he would give the reporter an exclusive interview yeah this guy's changing his stories I'm going to kill
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myself I'm going to turn myself in he should have just killed himself yeah you wonder if it's just does he need to
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get forgiveness from the family for some reason or is this attention seeking it seems like a lot of work and a lot of
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effort risky behavior for some attention yeah but he's a complete Wackadoo and the FBI didn't believe or they say they
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didn't believe the man would turn himself in or kill himself at any point they believe that the calls were in fact
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seeking forgiveness from Sherry's family but also to manipulate and control the situation as much as he possibly could
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and that this guy would eventually kill again yeah well this guy's a giant piece
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of [ __ ] well what would have been nice though is if he would have put himself in a brown paper bag and then rang
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somebody's doorbell and lit himself on fire okay so I do want to touch on this though because we do know from this last
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phone call that he says that in the beginning all he wanted to do is make love to Dawn
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Dawn's 21 years old Sherry Smith is 17. and they actually you can find there's quite a bit of uh
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photos and images of both of them on the Internet and you can see that the two of
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them look very much alike okay so this is when he makes this slip when he says Dawn instead of Sherry when he's on the
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phone with Dawn I was really curious why the FBI didn't update their profile because remember they said at one point
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that if he had killed before his victims would have been children or young girls
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right okay well Sherry yes she's 17 and that's more closer to being an adult but
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Dawn is absolutely an adult so you almost wonder if now at this point if you're going to say if he is killed
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before is there a chance that Dawn was actually the intended victim you know because he's not going to see
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her or see a girl that he perceives to be Dawn at the mailbox and walk up and ask her if that's are you Dawn you know
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right but he did take some pictures before so then you wander throwing it out there maybe this individual's
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supposed to wear glasses but doesn't and so is it is it that simple of a mistake and then when he gets closer
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it's the wrong girl but it's too late at that point I think it's I think it's very much like that I think it's he the
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intended victim was Dawn he hoped to abduct her and do whatever he did with Sherry with her
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but I think at some point he would accept the substitution or like you said I mean I think it's kind of too
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late look he probably opened up that door for the person and and at that point it's too late in his mind well the
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man called John Smith again at this time he told Don that he gave Sherry a choice
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of how she would be killed and the choices were overdose shooting or Suffocation and Sherry chose Suffocation
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he told Dawn he killed Sherry by placing duct tape over her mouth and nose until
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she died two weeks after the Abduction of Sherry nine-year-old Deborah May helmick was playing with her
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three-year-old brother at their home in Richland County when she was abducted from the front yard of the family's home
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a neighbor saw a vehicle pull up and a man get out of the car the man spoke with Deborah then grabbed her through
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the screaming girl into his car and drove off now the neighbor immediately alerted Deborah's father who was inside
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their home they called police and after the two of them jumped into a vehicle and they went speeding after the
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abductor's car but were unable to track down the vehicle well this sounds similar so is the FBI immediately
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thinking this is our guy and Sherry's case yeah yeah they believe the offender is one in the same and with
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the addition of the second victim especially a younger victim the FBI didn't really change their profile but
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they did add to the profile they added that the Killer and abductor is a white man outwardly shy may be
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overweight but it the very least is not attractive to women so he's no Bradley Cooper those close to him May notice one
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or more of the following the offender is experiencing weight loss drinking heavily not shaving regularly
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and he would be eager to talk about the crimes as he is following the investigation coverage on the evening
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news or in the papers he's also a collector of pornography that likely focused on bondage and or is
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of sadomasochistic nature and because of the young age of the second abducted victim Deborah only being nine years old
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they believe the offender would be too ashamed to call or correspond with Deborah's family
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well this turned out to be true no phone calls and no letters the killer also stopped calling the Smith house
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the FBI believed that the phone calls would be the easiest way to trap the killer yeah I believe it would be as
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well and since he's not calling or riding it's almost like they would want to put out a taunt to him like you know
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he already contacted news reporters before have that same news reporter do a report on how this guy has become weak
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and vulnerable because he hasn't reached out to the FBI so knowing that the Unknown Subject Was following the case
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in the news and in the papers the FBI decided to enlist the help of a reporter of a single reporter see they wanted to
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force this man out into the open or at the very least get him to call the Smith's home once again
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they wanted to use Dawn Smith as bait for their trap now the Smiths begrudgingly went along with this
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so they held a memorial service for Sherry Faye Smith they wanted the Smith family and Dawn present at this memorial
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service and during the ceremony they had reporter Snap photos of dawn holding a stuffed animal belonging to Sherry and
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flowers for her Memorial meanwhile undercover agents wrote down license plate numbers for all the vehicles that
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were present in the area now this didn't seem to flush out the killer out into the open but he did once
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again call the Smith home this time calling long distance and collect you have a collect car from a
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giant piece of shot well that's interesting that you say that Captain because okay so in these collect calls
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you would if you were calling someone collect you would be given a brief uh set of time there where you could
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announce who you are so it would say you have a collect call from so and so and then the person receiving the call who
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would be paying for it can decide if they're going to accept the call except the charges or not so during this
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portion where the caller can announce their name and who they are it's a man's voice but he says that his
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name is Sherry Faye Smith okay Dawn does accept this call this time the man was not using the voice
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Distortion device he told Don that God wants her to join Sherry Faye saying it's just a matter of time this month
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next month this year next year you can't be protected forever then he asked Don if she had heard of
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Deborah Mae helmick Don said she had to which he tells her listen carefully go One Mile West turn left at Bill's
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Grill go three and a half miles through Gilbert turn right at the last dirt road
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before you come to Two Notch Road go through the no trespassing side go 50 yards Deborah May is waiting God
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forgive us all right yes I'll take the call thank you doc yes you'll notice it in the hoax correct
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right all right did you find Cherry face ring I know I didn't yes it's just a matter of time just
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bought Xbox this year next year you can't be protected all the time and you know uh have you heard about Deborah Mae
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Hamrick huh no the 10-year-old ATL MIT uh Richland County yeah uh-huh okay listen carefully go one North
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the one West turned left at Peach Festival Road or Bill's Grill go three and a half miles through
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Gilbert turn right last dirt road before you got to stop sign at Two Notch Road go through chain and no trespassing
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signs go 50 yards and to the see your time is there God forgive us and protect us all wait a second here
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what happened to the pictures that you said you were going to send to me what happened to that picture that you were
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gonna send because when they have they have feminine they're not here [Music] listen you said you were gonna wait for
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God's Direction you did not give me that picture [Music] but obviously he's using Sherry Smith's
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name so they know who is calling without him giving his name just like they keep
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asking him hey you got a red car is it a Jetta but he can control the conversation
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because he can always hang up and and he knows that well and he's controlling the conversation too by
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reading from a script so you can hear anytime he's kind of sidetracked with a question
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that's exactly what happens to him he gets sidetracked and he doesn't know he hesitates he doesn't know where to pick
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up where he left off from the script but the script is very smart on his part and
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it shows a certain level of organization by this killer that this is probably an
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organized criminal because he has a message that he wants to give to the family and by creating that script in advance
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he is assuring himself that oh if I'm going out of my way for this risky behavior of contacting the family then
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at least it's worth it because I am I'm guaranteed to get my message out to them
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if I stick to the script the thing here we get to see a little bit of it's either just straight up lies by the
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killer which we we know these types lie often but it might also be some of his psychosis
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where he says in one of the calls that he's a family friend and that's why I can't face y'all and that's not true at
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all he doesn't know these people these people do not know him right but he was also
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watching Don for a time period so like you said in his thoughts in his mind he might have been a family friend to them
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in his mind right and you see this situation where he's kind of all over the shop and what he's telling Dawn
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Smith and the family he's saying look I'm going to kill myself I I need to meet my maker you can't take a life and
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continue living your life right but you know when he goes on to say that he won't live in a cage and he doesn't
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want to go to prison he's not going to be electrocuted yeah he's not going to be caged like a dog yeah and I think the
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the statement of well I'll be armed but I'll no longer be dangerous when they find me meaning he'll probably still
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have the gun in his hand from offing himself right uh he won't be using that gun on law enforcement when they find
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him but then he goes out of his way to say Sherry Fay wants you to join her Don and you can't be protected all the time
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it could be next week or next month or a year from now you would think that if he's not completely gone off the rails
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here that he is somewhat aware that he can't both kill himself or even turn himself in and then follow
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through on that threat that he's just made to Dawn yeah I wonder because and it's your
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contention that Don was the initial Target and that possibly he just took Sherry by
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accident or he took Sherry as a surrogate for for Don right and I I almost wonder if he takes this
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nine-year-old Deborah as whatever I say to Don on the call by me taking another victim
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makes everything I say more real this is not a hoax I mean he says it again on this call you know this is not
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a hoax like why you have to keep bringing that up and it's almost like he's saying like
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look what I just did and your time's coming whether it's next week next month next year
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your time's coming it's almost like I have this victim I've been stalking and I did not
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take and I didn't take her to be my victim but I am not going to stop until she becomes my victim
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right and with the Deborah helmick case we're probably talking about a situation
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that's a crime of opportunity he sees this little girl in her front yard and for whatever reason he makes a
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connection to his previous crimes and decides to abduct the girl I really think that it's
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a crime of opportunity that he just happened to see her and it was a victim that he knew he could easily snatch and
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flee with with very little trouble to himself but it goes against everything that he's saying to Dawn
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in regard to the Sherry Faye Smith case right where all this just went too far I
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just wanted to make love to her making it sound like he loves her or or believed that he loved her and it just
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went too far and he didn't know that she was sick she had a rare form of diabetes
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that required her to consume large amounts of water if she couldn't get her medicine
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and obviously when he abducts her he's not taking her with her medicine because he one doesn't know that she's sick and
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she's not prepared to be without that medicine so it really flies in the face of everything that he says to Dawn in
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regard to the Sherry Faye Smith case it really makes it feel like a lot of his words have no real meaning yeah well
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he's a lying chip bag but I almost feel like he took Deborah to keep living out this fantasy of what he wanted to do to
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Don what's up next is the final call that we have and this is a call to a different person it is still from our
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perpetrator but now he is calling Charlie Keys who's with a local news outlet and he wants Charlie keys to be
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relaying information from him to law enforcement videos okay now listen carefully huh
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um can't live with myself Charlie and I need to turn myself in and I'm afraid and you're very intelligent person and I
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want you to be there with Sheriff's Nets and all officers he wants and uh at his
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home in the morning at six a.m and you answer the phone and who's home at Sheriff Matt's home all right now don't
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answer any questions unless I ask yes or no ask off you be there and you answer the phone
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and his phone home phone is 356 2118 now I'll verify that when you report tonight on channel 10 TV at seven
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because I want to make sure this is not a hoax call and it'll I'll prove it to you by after I finish talking you call
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Sheriff Smith to talk to him directly and tell him that he received the letter from Sherry Henry it was her wheel and
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laugh acceptance and on a prompt page it had 3 10 in the morning and today 6-185
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and on the left hand side it had goddess love and was two pages long it was a legal yellow pad and he'll know this is
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not a hoax Charlie please help me now are you willing to work with me yes okay now be there like I said you after the
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function and reconfirm that phone number over the uh creamy tonight make sure I got it right okay I don't know if I'll
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be able to do that you could just call me back no no just on the TV say if anyone has any information call Sheriff
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Smith or will no access home funnel notes will just find out if his name is James R Metz and if it is it's the right
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number then in the phone book can you work it in some way or another like that um we'll work try to do that where it's
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not stick out yeah I'll see what I can do okay now seven o'clock do that it just went bad I know her family and
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her will and uh I just made a mistake it went too far all I wanted to do was make
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love to her and I didn't know she had the rare disease and it just got out of hand and I got scared and I have to do
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the right thing Charlie now please work with me because I feel like I can trust you and I've listened to you many times
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that's why I picked you as a medium 6 a.m tomorrow morning Charlie okay I'll see what I can do don't see please work
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with me right don't worry okay now as soon as you call it [Music] bye foreign [Music]
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the FBI is now worried in regretting the ploy of Using Dawn as bait because of the received threat uh during all of
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this law enforcement was still submitting the letter from Sherry titled the last will and testament to every
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possible test the letter was drafted on yellow lined legal paper from a pad so they decided
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to use an SD machine this device can detect even the slightest indentations on a piece of paper they wanted to see
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if they could pull any possible information from indentations that were made from writing on pieces of paper
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above the last will in the legal pad and they found some interesting leads they found a partial grocery list and a
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sequence of numbers with further testing they could detect nine numbers of a possible 10 digit
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sequence the numbers are in this order two zero five eight three seven one three blank eight
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this was a phone number in Huntsville Alabama so working with the phone company they
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checked all 10 possible phone numbers for a connection to Lexington County South Carolina
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where Sherry and the Smith family lived one of the numbers in Huntsville received several calls from a residence
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just 15 miles from Sherry Faye's home the home belonged to Ellis and Sharon Shepard
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law enforcement went to the home and interviewed Ellis and Sharon the Shepherds told police they had made
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phone calls to Huntsville where their son was stationed in the Army but they were out of town when both of the
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murders were committed they explained a man who worked for Ellis as an electrician Larry Jean Bell was put in
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charge of house sitting for the six weeks that they were away Larry was in his early 30s divorced
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lived with his parents he was neat and orderly and when he picked them up from the airport he spoke constantly about
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the unsolved murders that occurred while they were away he had noticeably lost weight he was
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unshaven and he was irritable the sheriff asked Mr Shepard to show him the room where Larry stayed while watching
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the home under the bed they found Mr Shepard's handgun jammed in pornographic magazines
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featuring bondage on the cover now regarding the sequence of numbers the couple wrote down the telephone number
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for their son and gave it to Larry Jean Bell before they left for their vacation
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with instructions that if anything were to come up with the house to call their son
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the police played a portion of the last call received by The Smiths this is the one where the killer did not use the
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voice Distortion device right and the Shepherds confirmed it sounded just like Larry's voice
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armed with this information they did some digging and they found that a vehicle registered to Bell was
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seen at the memorial service for Sherry Fay the officer wrote down the plate number and noted that the driver did not
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exit the vehicle he simply drove by the vehicle was less than three years old early the next morning police surrounded
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Larry's parents home and arrested him as he was leaving their home to go off to work
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a quick background check revealed Bell was twice arrested for attempted assaults on women on both of these
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occasions he attempted to force a young woman into his car at knifepoint unsuccessfully under questioning Bell
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admitted to nothing inside Bell's parents home in his bedroom police found hairs on the bed
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matching hairs from Sherry Fay Smith and Larry's desk they found a sheet of stamps from which the stamp used to
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marry Sherry's last will and testament originated from the neighbor that witnessed the Abduction of Deborah May
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told police after the arrest it was in fact Bell who he saw pulling the screaming child into his car that day
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under further questioning Bell still admitted nothing so they played the tape of his voice
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from the phone calls for him and still Bell admitted nothing so they brought in the FBI to further
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continue the questioning they took a different approach rather than to continue to question him they explained
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to him that they had a lot of experience in dealing with these types of crimes and that the perpetrator of these types
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of crimes never gets the opportunity to explain themselves and their side of the
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story often the offenders too afraid and ashamed to admit what they have done and
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once they are in court their attorney will not let them take the stand right so this individual is then trapped in a
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nightmare that never goes away and he goes away to a lengthy prison sentence and no one understands him no one knows
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what the hell he was going through at that time well I like their tactic here but we could always employ my scary
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clowns where we dress up like clowns and we beat the guy to the inch of his life
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to get him to start confessing well as they're explaining this to Larry they notice that Larry Bell is nodding his
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head up and down he's he's agreeing with what they have to say and seeing that he's responding they leaned in for the
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kill and asked him when did you start to feel sorry about the crime Larry did they whisper this I don't know okay so
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it seems like it could be a powerful move you know come on Larry tell us what you know
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we gotcha well they asked him when he started to feel sorry about this crime and to which he says it was when he saw
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a photograph of the Smith family right then they asked him if he could have possibly done this sort of thing and
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Larry told them quote all I know is the Larry Jean Bell sitting here could not have done this
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but the bad Larry Jean Bell could have so that is going to be the closest thing to a confession that Larry Jean Bell
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would ever give regarding both of these murders so we do have a confession or a loose confession right implied
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confession we have some of Sherry's hairs found in his room on his pillow in his bedroom okay and then we have
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eyewitness that saw him taking the nine-year-old girl away and the and and then the car registered
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yeah so him driving by the memorial is not really any evidence you know it's stacking pieces on the case right yeah
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but but there is a lot of evidence like you said you not only do you have the hairs that match Sherry Faye Smith's
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hair in his bedroom I mean how the hell is that going to get there two you have the sheet from which the stamp came from
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that the last will and testament was mailed you also have all these little connecting factors to the letter itself
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you know the indentations that they found using the SD machine and then you have the uh Shepherds for which he is
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home you know he's house sitting for and they say yeah that's his voice on right right on that recording and this
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is the killer that's calling and taunting the Smith family and that's not as good as picking him out of a lineup
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or anything but that's that's something right and and to which I guess for the lineup purposes you have a bit of less
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evidence regarding the abduction and murder of the little girl of Deborah May helmick yeah but you do have that
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eyewitness who says okay you know I see this picture of Larry Jean Bell on the news and he calls up
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police and says that's the same guy that I saw take that little girl so we have all this evidence mounting up
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and like you said this real loosey-goosey somewhat of a confession you know he doesn't say I didn't kill
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these girls he says the bad Larry Jean Bell could have done this would have been uh capable I guess of doing this
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but the good Larry you know he's serving his community and he's serving God Sherry Faye Smith's older sister Dawn
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she was super brave and strong during the investigation into her sister's abduction and murder she went on to be
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crowned Miss South Carolina in the following year she was the runner-up in the Miss America contest
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and February of 1986 Larry Jean Bell was convicted of murdering and kidnapping Sherry Faye Smith
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the jury recommended the death sentence and the trial judge imposed the sentence
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in accordance with the jury's findings in 1987 in a separate trial Bell was convicted of murdering and kidnapping
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Deborah May helmick and again he was given a sentence of death for nine years Larry Gene Bell filed and
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played the appeals game trying to work the courts but on October 4th 1996 the state of
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South Carolina in accordance with his sentences Larry Gene Bell was strapped into the electric chair and killed
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a large crowd cheered as the Hearst carrying Bell's body left the Broad River Correctional Institution
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one of his defense lawyers said quote we have executed a sick delusional psychotic man this is one of those weird
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situations Captain where life kind of mimics art here and things that we've seen on TV in these fictional crime
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stories where a town an area is aware that there is a serial killer out there on the loose claiming the lives of
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victims and it's a race against the clock to catch the perpetrator and stop the madness stop the murder
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Larry Jean Bell was very much that situation he terrorized this area for a little less than a month and it was a
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situation where the police needed to bring in the Heavy Hitters the FBI and sled and people that were better
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equipped with better resources to track down this killer before the list of victims continued to grow now
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unfortunately as far as Larry Jean Bell is concerned these are not the only cases that he was suspected of there has
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been some suspicion over the years that he may have been involved in three cases
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that remain unsolved to this very day two of which are Denise Newsome porch from 1975 and Sandy Elaine cornette from
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1984 and in those two cases neither of their remains have ever been recovered [Music]
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but wait we have more more exclusive audio content for our beautiful listeners this week we were very excited to
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re-release our original coverage of the last will and testament case the Sherry face Smith case and that's because as we
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said earlier John Douglas well he wanted to sit down and talk about his involvement in this case and his new
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book that's coming out that's titled win a killer cause a haunting story of murder criminal profiling and Justice
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and a small town for those of you that don't know of legendary FBI profiler John Douglas well he is a former FBI
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special agent and the bureau's criminal profiling pioneer he's a founding chief of the investigative support unit at the
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FBI Academy in Quantico Virginia and one of the creators of the crime classification manual and we were lucky
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to speak with him this week in regard to his new book When a Killer calls but he's been on our show before and we're
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happy to have him on again if you'd like to check out our previous John Douglas episodes those are titled the mind
00:39:54
Hunter episode number 302 and mind Hunter John Douglas episodes 445 and 4 46. and now here is a preview of my
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conversation with the great John Douglas one of the worst things about this I mean it was it was horrific was that the
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mother received some of the calls as well as the sister Don and then the mother asked him the mother
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says that my daughter knows she was going to die and Bell says yes uh you know she did
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and I gave her a choice and she could pick uh drug overdose gunshot or Suffocation and your daughter selected
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Suffocation and so what he did he proceeded to use duct tape while she was alive and duct taped her her head and
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then he waits he waits days for the body to decompose uh before he tells us that
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tells the family through now Dawn the other the other sister where we can find find Sherry Faye Smith and the reason
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that began that tells you something about him too because he doesn't want to leave anything forensically for us to
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determine like the cause of death to locate any kind of hair and fiber evidence but what you could see is that
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then we and we knew about the duct tape just by the evidence as she uh her hair after he duct taped her head he removed
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the duct tape because he didn't want to leave any fingerprints on the duct tape and he would end up cutting some of the
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hair on her head to totally remove the duct tape from us so it was just it was just an unbelievable case and and uh to
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set up he stopped communicating with us so that's that was a problem when I finally went down there you stopped
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communicating with with the police uh with the the family I had to get him to talk I had to get him to get back on the
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phone so I I sat down with the investigative reporter and I told the investigative reporter uh that I wanted
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her to come up with a story where Sherry Faye is is buried we want to have a memorial service and uh I'm not going to
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write it for you I can't do that it's an agent but I want you to make it poetic and we're going to set up at the the
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grave site we're going to put a kind of a lectern a white lectern with shy face picture on
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it and uh when I was at the house I asked to see Sharif face bedroom and Dawn her sister showed me the bedroom
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and and in the bedroom where dozens upon dozens of of koala bears and I started thinking in my brain what can
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I what can I do here what can I do and I saw a small koala bear that was hanging
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from a string and it took that you pinched the shoulders and it opens up and I'm thinking without telling anyone
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I'm going to use this at the gravesite I'm going to have Dawn who now he was targeting Dawn uh the other sister
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placed that at the uh at the graveside on a flower and the hope is uh Nick is that he will will pique his curiosity
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because we do know from the research that I conducted and my colleagues they like to call it souvenirs mementos
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relative to the to the crime so we did all it did all those things uh unfortunately from an investigative
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perspective I had no control over this uh but she was buried very very close to the road if and he would not take that
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kind of risk but we were monitoring the vehicles and we would catch him another way but had we not caught him another
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way that we talk about in the book we would we would have come across some eventually because we had we had his
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license plate number he stopped along with other cars and we were recording all of those vehicles and from him once
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we would do it say a criminal check you know on these people who were stopping we would find with him that he had
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history he had a criminal history of attempted abduction early on in his life he was involved in obscene telephone
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calls you try to abduct a nine-year-old girl besides a uh another teenager so we
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would have got him sooner sooner than later but we got bottom other ways forensically
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[Music] join the colonel and John Douglas for their interview on part three until then
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be good be kind and don't litter [Music] thank you [Music]