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murder a double homicide two people killed by two different people and what seemed to be an open and shut case but
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turns out not everyone was satisfied with the resolution of Donna's case some were skeptical of Mark's story and this
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because they knew Donna and saying that some stuff just didn't add up the main skeptic was Donna's father cash Brown
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cash said from the start he didn't feel things were right for example he said he
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observed on a walk with Mark after the funeral that Mark wasn't crying when they discussed what happened to Donna
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another thing that was odd was that Donna was usually very cautious she would not have left the front door
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unlocked he says and she certainly never would have let Roger Harrington who she
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was afraid of into her home but still maybe it was simple maybe she was distracted we know she's a new mother
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maybe she's exhausted and had forgotten to lock the door maybe Mark forgot to lock the door maybe it was just bad luck
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or like you said law enforcement thought maybe Harrington tried to force himself
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into the home my issue with that problem is why wouldn't she start screaming at that point because she knew her husband
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was in the house and as you so astutely pointed out yesterday the coffee cup and
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the cigarettes that belong to Roger Harrington are found inside the Winger's home so could you hold my coffee cup
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while I push my way into your home oh let me grab your Hammer while at it so her father cash he shares his feelings
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with Donna's sister and her friend these two decided hey we're going to do a little test so one of them went to the
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basement got on the treadmill at Donna's house and the other one fell loudly onto
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the floor in the dining room upstairs the woman on the treadmill says she could not hear anything over the sound
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of the treadmill so either Mark has really good hearing you know he's got like dog
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hearing mhm or maybe the thud was extra loud that Mark heard and Donna's mom and
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stepdad we we need to point out Mark has plenty of support some of this coming from Donna's mother and her
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stepfather who not only supported him as far as they were concerned and publicly
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said so Mark was almost as much of a victim as Donna was but there was also someone else who was a little suspicious
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of Mark Winger this is detective Doug Williamson he didn't believe a word coming out of Mark's mouth he felt that
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there was some elements of Roger Harrington's behavior that didn't quite mesh with the story being told by Mark
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now for one thing he had parked his car right in front of the Winger home on the
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wrong side of the street facing oncoming traffic not exactly stealth mode the beat up sedan stuck out like a sore
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thumb in the residential neighborhood right also a crowbar and a knife were found in his car and we pointed out
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yesterday well he didn't exactly bring the murder weapon to the home with him but he had some things that could be
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considered weapons in his vehicle well on fairness he was carrying his cup of coffee and pack of cigarettes a man's
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only got so many arms yeah then there was the meeting with Mark Winger that we kind of left off with in yesterday's
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episode this is what Roger Harrington's roommates had mentioned that they were under the
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impression or Roger told them that Mark called and asked him to come to the home
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right not that he was showing up there unannounced or unknown to the Wingers the roommates were pretty convinced that
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Roger was convinced or at least told them a story that convinced them that he was asked by Mark Winger to be at the
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home well and we have Harrington's car as evidence like you said there's a knife there's a crowbar but there's also
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a note with the Winger's address and a a time yeah if I was going to commit a murder maybe you have the address but
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you wouldn't have you wouldn't mark down the time to me the time determines that
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he was supposed to have a meeting with them right in the front seat on the front seat of Roger Harrington's vehicle
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written on a piece of paper in pen we had the Winger's name and address in the time
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4:30 but also listening to that 911 call we've done so many cases where there's 911 calls where the person is so
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frantic to me that's almost plain up yes it's a traumatic situation but this call
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sounds so frantic and I never like it when the person disconnects the call even though Mark Winger is going to call
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back to 911 but he basically I have to get my kid you well you don't need to hang up you can you can stay on the line
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I'm going to put the phone down real quick I got to grab my kid detective Williamson said that Mark never told
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them about any kind of meeting with Roger Harrington remember he was told that Roger Harrington was called
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that morning and warned to stay away from the house and stay away from the Winger family so something's not right
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here Captain something doesn't seem to be alog together yeah that again that 430 time on the Note doesn't go with
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Mark Winger's story so initially detective Cox was not skeptical and it was in agreement with
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labeling it as a Justified homicide and closing the case Roger Harrington's Sister Barbara
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Howell later said that when she tried to talk to detective Cox to tell him her brother was not capable of murder and
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that something didn't add up she said that the detective was dismissive eventually detective Cox he
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would come around and this is because his partner Williamson wasn't having any of it in fact he petitioned his
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superiors to let him and detective Cox continue to invest and initially was told flat out no well
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again and in the detective's defense you also have a few things already that are
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showing you some red flags and that maybe there needs to be a further investigation and like you stated
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yesterday the investigation was only three days long well and some of this stuff almost seems like Mark is calling
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the investigation into question himself because later what we have is at some point Mark asked the detectives if he
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can have his gun back and even though the case was closed and the files were put away the investigators are working
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other cases Mark he shows up at the police department and he's asking about the progress of the
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investigation which is a little bizarre right he wanted to know how the case was
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going and at the time the case was closed they had already publicly closed the case so detective Cox is saying as
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far far as I was concerned he would have just accepted it that the case was closed so this seems
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to be like a major mistake on Mark's behalf here we have a CO closed case but he's asking how the investigation is
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going oh yes habaza habaza yeah that's Stranger Than a dress on a donkey four months after Donna's death Mark filed a
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lawsuit against Bart Transportation the company that employed Roger Harrington he alleged that Bart was negligent in
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the hiring process in the hiring of the driver that the company should have known he was dangerous and unfit for the
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job Mark was seeking damages from the company for the wrongful death of his wife right the result of this lawsuit
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was effectively what would reopen the case yeah because what happens here is you're
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suing that company but if that company has a interest insurance company then the insurance company is going to do a
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thorough investigation cuz they don't want to pay out the money Mark was hoping that the police evidence of
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Harrington's guilt would help his case for the damages that he was seeking and that's not what happened at all so we
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have the transportation company they hire attorneys and they start to prepare to defend this lawsuit and as a matter
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of course requested and received the police documents in the case the incident report the crime scene analysis
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reports the interviews all of it and they begin to notice that this case was not as open and shut as everyone had
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assumed Bart's lawyers dug in and started sifting through all of the information asking questions the
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detectives worked with them eager to have the opportunity to revisit this case but because by this point
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Williamson was skeptical he's now got Cox to turn and be skeptical as well these detectives are going yeah we don't
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think that this was right that that we got this right in the beginning M they're happy that someone else is
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agreeing that Mark might be Shady so Roger Harrington's family they got themselves a lawyer as well well yeah
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and like we were talking about before Harrington yes has some mental issues and might have some Outburst of uh
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violence but that's a big difference between trying to go somewhere and and grabbing a hammer and bludging somebody
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to death in February of 1999 so remember she was killed in 95 a woman named deian
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Schultz was deposed by the BART Transportation attorneys in the civil case she was someone that was previously
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interviewed by police this is because she was Donna's best friend there is even video footage of available of her
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holding baby Bailey and sitting next to Donna on a couch she was one of the people who told investigators about Mark
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and Donna's marriage and it being a great marriage but this time under oath in the deposition four years later she's
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telling a very different story about Mark and Donna's relationship deian said that in 1995 her and Mark were having an
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affair and he had talked to her about killing his wife Dean told the detectives that Mark said things to her
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like we could be together if Donna just died and saying theoretically it would be great if he were to go out of town
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and maybe deian found Donna's body on the night before I'm sorry on the day before the murder Mark said he
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was working to get the van driver in his house so even referring to Roger Harrington by name then on the the day
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of the shooting and Donna's murder Mark asked her will you love me no matter what my answer is no all of this of
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course is super suspicious obviously yeah but not exactly evidence of a murder later Mark said to her I think
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they believe me I did it for us she didn't want to ask what he meant like he's dropping all these hints to her she
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doesn't want to ask him what he meant he warn warned her to tell no one of their
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Affair or that their gooses would be cooked that they both would be in trouble well look on top of that you
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have a man now you're suspicious of him murdering his wife and murdering this innocent
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bystandard and using him as a pawn you have to be fearful of your safety that he what what's going to stop
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him from doing it to you exactly and she says you know I didn't know exactly what
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all of this meant at the time part of me wanted to think that he was just talking
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crazy but what the police do they end up finding a paper trail to back up deian Schultz story to confirm the affair well
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yeah because so it goes a little bit deeper I mean she for the last few years was having a lot of mental issues and
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having severe depression because this is a lot to hold in and on top of that you had a relationship with
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this man he saying to you hey well if my wife is dead then we'll be together well
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now he doesn't want to be with you and she ended up telling a doctor all this stuff beforehand yeah so to and once she
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started telling people the truth it it really started kind of setting her free from the depression and
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all that stuff the police they Tracked Down phone records and hotel records again this is four years later after
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after the death they tracked down phone records and hotel records this backing up her side of the story her version of
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the story and what they found was that the affair apparently began about a month before Donna's death and continued
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for several months after until Mark Winger broke it off broke off the relationship well right because when she
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comes forward and starts talking with the police the police run this by Mark Winger and he's going ah she's you know
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she's not telling you the truth I don't think he denied that they had a relationship but I think he was
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denying many parts of it so what the police do now that they have their in they decide let's bring in a seasoned
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famous crime scene analyst this person's name is Thomas bevel to retroactively investigate the crime scene and the
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evidence and later he concludes that Donna's death was most likely a staged domestic homicide in which Mark Winger
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lorded Roger Harrington to the home to kill him and frame him for Donna's murder so let's go through how Beville
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came to this conclusion and the evidence that backs up this conclusion he says that none of Donna's blood was found on
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Roger Harrington if he had really been beating her to death on the head with seven lethal blows from a hammer there
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would have been blood spatter all over Roger Harrington yeah instead there was a long blood spatter castoff stain on
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Mark Winger's sleeve the initial gunshot to Roger head was inconsistent with Mark's story about the shooting him in
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the face there was no blood trail from Roger Harrington's head wound to where Donna
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lay which there would have been if Roger Harrington had really been beating Donna
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when Mark shot him mhm blood spatter showed that Donna was attacked in a location in the home different than
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where Mark described her being attacked by Harrington this was the um the hallway she was running toward the door
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and the Clincher was the position of Roger and Donna's bodies this completely undercut the story that Mark told the
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detectives at the time the three Polaroids remember they were taken by an officer at the scene they were looked at
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and showed the bodies in place at the crime scene this before EMTs removed them to take them to the hospital to try
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to save their lives these Polaroids showed that the body placement did not line up again with Mark's tail Roger
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Harrington's head and feet were lying opposite to what Mark said happened if Mark had shot him as he stood up from
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Donna he would have fallen backwards off of Donna which is what marks said happen
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well the other problem too is there was two separate poles of blood coming from Heron's head which would make sense with
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the eyewitness saying that there was a shot and then a f minute Gap and another shot yeah I'm I'm I'm getting to that
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there Captain but the point here of the body positions was that Roger was found lying facing oh sorry Roger was found
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lying face up 180 degrees in the other direction with his feet facing the same way as Donna's so he would have had to
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have flipped in the air to end up like that if Mark was telling the truth and you're exactly right there was those two
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distinct blood poles that showed that Roger had been turned over before he was shot a second time something never
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mentioned by Mark yeah the biggest piece of evidence and you haven't got to it yet so I don't want to step on your toes
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but he yes you're you were talking about Mark having blood spatter on his arm okay but you could also maybe argue that
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away a little bit because at some point he's holding his wife as she's dying you
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would expect to see blood smears from someone holding a a a bloody person you would not see Blood cast off spatter
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cast off right but I'm saying one maybe a def uh a good defense attorney might be able to argue that on some level or
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say well maybe Mark was a little bit closer to her during uh closer to his wife uh than he thought he was during
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the attack but my biggest issue my biggest red flag is you're holding your wife you would lay her down gently
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but look at those crimes SE photos she was laying face down mhm who would do that oh I'm holding you oh uh now that
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the paramedics are here let me just dump you down on your face well with all of this information and the new information
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coming from the the new crime scene expert retroactively reinvestigating the case now we have the detectives who are
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going to continue to work the case in conjunction with the state attorney's office and by by this point the BART
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attorneys the transportation company their attorneys were also working with police and so we got everybody kind of
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now working against this one- time considered hero yeah we we call that a double whammy and everybody's now saying
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look this guy we believe murdered his own wife and then tried to set this Roger Harrington guy up and killed him
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in the process to cover everything up So eventually we have uh we already have Roger Harrington's family who was
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involved in in in trying to clear his name but Mark is going to drop the lawsuit against Bart but it's too late
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at this point the damage is done he's already kind of opened everyone's eyes as to what probably happened here well
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yeah and in law enforcement we'll tell you this is a misstep he he was getting greedy with trying to get money for his
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wife's death and that again you can drop the lawsuit but if I was the head of that
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Transportation Company okay you dropped the lawsuit I'm going to have my team that I've already
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Captain all of this leads up to eventually the grand jury is going to indict Mark Winger on charges of
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first-degree murder but this doesn't take place until August of 2001 and remember Donna was killed in 95 Roger
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Harrington killed in 95 and so a lot of time has passed and in that time Mark gets remarried he goes on to have three
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more children gets married to his child's Nanny and he's living a normal life other than this case being reopened
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and reinvestigated and you know he's seemingly this this good family man I just don't understand how these [ __ ]
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bags get so many women I mean this guy looks like a penis wearing glasses needless to say even though he's charged
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we have Mark who decides to plea not guilty the bond was set at $10 million in his case at the trial the
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prose ecution presented all of the evidence that tended to suggest Roger Harrington's innocence and Mark's guilt
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they showed the Polaroids and the note in the car crime scene experts testified about the positioning of the bodies
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detectives testified about the lack of forced entry deian testified about the affair and the suggestive things Mark
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was saying to her and Roger Harrington's family testified that he was not known to be violent they didn't believe him to
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uh be capable of murder now Mark's defense will point out that the evidence was the same now as it was back then
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back when you said this was a justifiable homicide nothing's changed and they try to paint Roger Harrington
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as an unstable mental case whose Behavior like parking outside and stalking Donna was erratic and
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unpredictable so you can't really make logical assumptions based off of his movements or his actions m i mean this
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is a very difficult case for law enforcement because at the time of the 911 call you have Mark Winger saying I
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shot and killed a man so he's not denying that he didn't kill that person so to me the the Crux of all this is to
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prove that Mark actually killed his wife well and you have the defense who's going to of course try to under mind
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Dean's testimony which I think is some of the the biggest and and worst testimony
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against Mark in this case yeah not so much for the affair but the comments that he was
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making like you said uh if my wife was dead we could be together or if I could just get this van driver into the house
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yeah I think when you see it and you have this woman testifying to both the affair and these actions it gets really
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difficult to explain that that away or look past any of that yeah it's almost an indirect confession but the the
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defense of course is going to say hey This Woman's unstable we can't believe what she's saying but what we will find
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out of course the jury did in fact believe her especially when you compound that with all of the other evidence in
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this case the crime scene evidence well yeah again you you have this person that's basically telling you he
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indirectly confessed the forensic evidence doesn't lie so that is just confirming her story really doesn't lie
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but it seemed to have been ignored the first time the it only took the jury 13 hours of deliberation to find Mark
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Winger guilty on both counts of murder on August 1st 2002 Mark Winger was sentenced to life in prison with no
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parole for the murder of Donna and Roger Harrington right right his appeal was rejected he has never acknowledged his
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guilt or showed any sign of remorse in fact 5 months into his sentence he gave an interview with 48 hours in which he
00:31:09
maintained his innocence but if you tell yourself a lie over and over then maybe
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you start believing it yeah he did admit to the affair but uh did not admit to the the murder he says that he was a
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good husband to Donna he made a mistake he's human it was stupid thing and it was wrong as for Roger Harrington the
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picture the police had initially gotten of him turned out to have been somewhat exaggerated his former wife once accused
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him of domestic battery it appears that um his friends and family said that he was a sweet and
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kind individual he was helpful he was someone who rounded a baby clothes for for a friend who didn't have much money
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he was in fact diagnosed as as depressed and delusional and sometimes suicidal and he did spend time in a
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psychiatric ward it appears to be maybe even twice treated at a local mental health facility but none of these
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doctors ever deemed him to be a threat to anyone else but himself right in any case if anyone had any doubts that
00:32:20
remained about Mark's guilt even after his conviction well that's going to be completely
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eradicated in uh 2005 he tried to hire a fellow Pontiac Correctional Center prisoner to carry out some murders for
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him yeah again huh how bizar how bizar and they know this because the prisoner went and approached investigators and
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had plenty of information to back it up so the general story here Captain is that Mark tried to hire this guy this is
00:33:00
44 year-old convicted murderer Terry Hubble to hire a hitman to kill some people for him so it's you know the
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middleman we need to get a middleman let's get let's get one bad dude here to find some other bad dude to who did he
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want dead oh he wanted a bunch of people dead so Mark was willing to hire through
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Terry Hubble Hitman to take out Mark's childhood friend this is Jeffrey Gelman Jeffrey was a wealthy successful real
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estate developer from Florida Mark was upset with him because Mark asked him to pay his $1 million bail to which Jeffrey
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Gilman refused well the the problem with paying his bail is this guy is a Flight
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Risk if he's willing to try to uh murder two individuals and then try to Stage IT
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where he is the hero you can't this guy can't be trusted yeah you're not putting up a million dollars
00:34:02
of your own money to get some guy out that likely killed two people I mean Mark is a real [ __ ] bag so what what
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Mark wanted done was he he wanted a a Hitman to kidnap his childhood friend this Jeffrey Gilman who was very
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wealthy and he wanted him to to to hold Jeffrey for ransom what they were going to do is have the kidnapper threaten to
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harm jeffy's family unless Jeffrey paid up the money and then after Jeffrey pays
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up the money he wanted the Hitman to kill Jeffrey and his family anyway the other thing he was willing to pay for
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was that he wanted his the the number one witness against him deian Schultz the woman that he had the affair with he
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wanted her to be killed as well but he wanted her to you know you you find her and you force her to write a letter
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saying that she lied right you force her to record make a recording of a statement of her saying that she lied
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that Mark Winger had nothing to do with Donna's death and that she had made the whole thing up and then make it look
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like a suicide so Mark is not only trying to hire someone to kill a bunch of people he's also trying to make it so
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that he will get a new trial and possibly get out of prison that if Deanna Schultz story changes maybe
00:35:38
everybody looks at this evidence a little bit different yeah maybe so maybe if you get a appeal that you could argue
00:35:44
well she recanted her story so she's recanting the indirect confession but what I said before what
00:35:53
backs up that indirect confession is that a forensic evidence markk also wanted the Hitman to take care of his
00:36:00
ex-father-in-law as well and apparently this was just because he did not like him so what we have here as evidence
00:36:10
from Terry Hubble to back up this statement is that Mark wrote out 19 pages of instructions right it's written out for
00:36:19
hire a murder For Hire document there's a great article that you you can look up
00:36:25
I'm not going to go into the the whole thing here but there's a great article if you want to look further uh by Chris
00:36:32
drro from June 2017 from the Benton news but basically Captain what this is is it's n 19 Pages
00:36:42
detailing how he wanted everything to play out it's a very long version like this kind of reminds me of of a movie
00:36:50
moment here and red dragon you have the the communication between Hannibal the cannibal Lecter and the Tooth Fairy
00:37:01
Francis dollarhyde where the police where the FBI discover communication between the two and we
00:37:10
have Lector telling Francis Dollarhide Graham home Marathon Florida save yourself Kill Them All I mean this is 19
00:37:20
pages of this guy saying I want this person this person this person and their family killed and I'm willing to pay you
00:37:29
for it I guess a big chunk of that money would be from The Ransom that they would
00:37:35
collect from taking this Jeffrey Gman hostage and threatening his family and then killing him anyway yeah and all
00:37:43
I have to say about Mark is hey Mark use a piece of [ __ ] a gigantic flaming pile
00:37:52
of [ __ ] real quick here Captain this uh convicted killer Terry Hubble he's so he's kind of an
00:38:00
interesting story himself because he was already in prison some for some other charges when in 1991 he was indicted by
00:38:07
a grand jury for the murder of a 14-year-old this is Angel Greenwood she died from head injuries all the way back
00:38:16
in July of 1983 they were able to indict him and charge and convict him all of those years later so now you have here a
00:38:27
guy that's murdered a child another guy who's been convicted of murdering Roger Harrington and murdering his own wife
00:38:35
Donna Winger you got both of them telling two very different stories to investigators
00:38:42
one killer telling on the other Killer Hey this guy's trying to hire me to find somebody to kill all these other people
00:38:47
for him and here's some paperwork to back it up what you have here though is you have Mark Winger the the flip side
00:38:54
of that the reverse of that is Mark Winger saying look I'm locked up I'm locked up for the rest of my life I
00:39:01
these are just simply fantasies that I wrote down these are fantasies that I was writing that I was you know
00:39:08
journaling and this guy got a hold of them somehow and now he's trying to benefit from it so this thing goes to
00:39:15
court and there is a battle and we said how quickly the jury deliberated in his his murder trial against Roger
00:39:24
Harrington and his wife Donna Winger it was even shorter deliberation for this trial I think they were only they they
00:39:31
only took a break to discuss this for about three hours and I think in the course of that they had lunch as well
00:39:37
and so they end up finding Mark guilty of trying to hire someone to kill all of these people and when you think about it
00:39:46
well you said what 19 Pages yeah that that's a that's a lot of evidence to try to argue away his defense will
00:39:56
argue that Terry Hubble did in fact benefit from throwing mark under the bus which he did I mean he got sent off to a
00:40:04
different prison which was a much more relaxed environment the state even paid him
00:40:11
$3,000 3,000 and some odd dollars uh for his assistance in this conviction but to
00:40:20
me it just I mean I was really Blown Away by just how evil and cold this Mark Winger is I mean to to
00:40:32
think about think about this situation he basically gets handed he basically gets
00:40:40
handed on a silver platter a situation that he was looking for he was looking for a way to take out his
00:40:46
wife and then all of a sudden Roger Harrington comes along and they have this crazy drive back to her home these
00:40:54
phone calls start coming into the home home and this guy is getting all happy he's getting excited he's like not only
00:41:01
did this fall right into my lap yeah but I have there's documentation and my wife
00:41:08
Donna has gone out of her way and spoke to her family and her friends about her being afraid of this guy and this guy
00:41:14
calling our house and he's harassing us if I can just get him back to the house I can Hammer my wife to death and then
00:41:22
turn the gun on this guy and put him over by the body and boom open and shut case my wife is dead this guy killed her
00:41:30
and I'm the hero everybody feels sad for me that I mean that is completely diabolical and then you have
00:41:39
just a handful of years later he's looking to hire somebody to take out a whole family of people from some guy
00:41:46
that just he grew up with that he knew that's not willing to put up Fork over a million dollars to let him out of jail
00:41:52
while he waits for his trial and he wants to kill his father-in-law step his wife's stepfather just because he
00:42:00
doesn't like him and then kill the woman that he once had an affair with I mean it that's a long list of people
00:42:08
ironically and I say it ironically because he's not this monster looking dude that is out praying for victims he
00:42:17
does look like a penis with glasses though out trolling the streets looking for victims but he is every bit as evil
00:42:25
as some of those guys that we've talked about BTK Ted Bundy this guy is is one of the
00:42:32
most evil individuals that we have discussed on the show and I don't know if it's a huge red flag because again
00:42:38
it's a 911 call so if you take it at face value he is calling about this horrific scene that's playing out in
00:42:48
front of him but when he says there's a bullet in him in Harrington and then they find two as
00:42:58
much as investigators got this right in the end and forensic science got this right in the end it's a shame that they
00:43:06
didn't wave those red flags sooner and that they didn't dive deeper into the evidence to collect that and because
00:43:15
look they could have said look there's a bunch of red flags here but we still kind of you know if we have to lean one
00:43:21
way we still think that he's possibly innocent and then when another piece of evidence comes out and you dive back
00:43:28
into the case or you have to reopen that case you could see all the red flags staring right at you but it's it's
00:43:36
almost like they were just too quick to solve the case and move on well I I can agree with some of that I don't
00:43:45
know if it was too quick I think maybe some of it it looked like what they were being told and what they thought they
00:43:50
were seeing one thing that we haven't touched on yet and it's a little interesting
00:43:56
tidbit here in regard to the neighbor the earwitness who says I heard a gunshot and then it was minutes and
00:44:02
minutes later until I heard a second gunshot and you're exactly right Captain we have Mark Winger on the phone to 911
00:44:09
says a bullet in his head and then they show up and this guy shot twice well what investigators believe went down is
00:44:19
that we know both the victims Deborah Winger and Roger Harrington were still barely clinging to life when EMTs arrive
00:44:27
on the scene but what they believe happened now is that when Mark says to the 911 operator I've got to go my
00:44:35
baby's screaming my baby's crying is that he actually heard Roger Harrington who was was again we know he was still
00:44:44
alive but he was a little too alive right at that point that he hears Roger Harrington either trying to get up or
00:44:51
making noise and he knows I've already alerted the police and EMT to get here Pronto I need to make sure that he's
00:44:59
dead that everybody's dead before they show up because these two are going to have a much different story to tell when
00:45:05
police are here right and you can actually hear on the 911 call you can hear Harrington moaning so they believe
00:45:14
that he got off the phone and didn't go tend to the baby right away or go over to his wife right away that he went over
00:45:21
and that's when the second shot was fired into Roger Harrington here's one weird thing here too Captain
00:45:29
uh to kind of close this out a bit the the judge ends up giving Mark Winger an additional 35 years on top of his
00:45:38
already life sentence that for the murder for higher plot right cuz he he got life sentenced with no possibility
00:45:47
of pearl correct correct and then what we have is you know this guy he won't go away this wasn't the last time time that
00:45:56
we would hear from Mark because in 2009 he ended up suing the prison that he was
00:46:02
housed in and he was suing some of the administration there alleging that they were not allowing him to exercise
00:46:10
outside of his cell saying that this was cruel and unusual punishment this is a guy that's murdered two people and was
00:46:18
happy and hoping to murder a bunch more uh he had been restricted to his cell for a year
00:46:26
after this murder For Hire plot and he said that being confined in a small space was not enough room for
00:46:33
any type of physical activity which was giving him panic attacks and anxiety so you know I don't think anybody's feeling
00:46:41
bad for Mark Winger eventually though we'll all be happy to know that that case was very quickly
00:46:51
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beautiful Captain this week we are recommending tears of Rage by John Walsh from grieving father to Crusader for
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justice the untold story of Adam Walsh case True Crime readers know John Walsh he is several great books out there and
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true crime Watchers know John Walsh from his time with America's Most Wanted this
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is one of his books but this is the one that features the Adam Walsh case the murder and Abduction of his child check
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