00:00:00
[Music] my sister won't be quiet and the dog just threw a ball over my shoes why does none of this
00:00:16
bother me could it be this spacious go the spacious new Volkswagen Atlas it does life beautifully
00:00:31
when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands at winning prices and with special
00:00:37
financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your mattress purchase helps give the gift of
00:00:44
better sleep to children in need and US Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today
00:00:53
and make every snooze count financing is subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for
00:01:09
[Music] [Music] details [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
00:01:46
for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man who celebrates Groundhog Day privately here
00:01:53
is the captain it's good to be seen and good to see you thanks for listening thanks for telling a friends
00:02:01
[Music] this week we are very excited to be featuring C Gold by the brilliant Brewers over 7eventh Sun Brewing Company
00:02:14
C gold is a West Coast pilsner that's aggressively hopped with a blend of citrusy West Coast hops ABV 5% garage
00:02:24
grade 4 and A2 bottle caps out of five and let's give some praise and thanks to our good friends who helped us fill up
00:02:33
the fridge for this week first up a big shout out to Audrey and the wonderful staff and Brew team at seventh Sun
00:02:40
brewing in Columbus Ohio and a big we like your jib to Chrissy and Hastings Michigan and last but certainly not
00:02:48
least we have Evan at the Thirsty scholar at the Ohio State campus everyone we just mentioned contributed
00:02:56
to this week's beer run and for that we thank you yeah BW R you in beer run if you're not following us on Facebook
00:03:06
Twitter or Instagram do so at True Crime garage not only do we do case updates sometimes there or stuff that's
00:03:14
happening in the true crime news and we also share pictures and details of the cases that we're covering each week and
00:03:22
that is enough of the business all right everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
00:03:30
[Music] C missing people missing people throughout the United States missing people post pictures track
00:03:55
DNA missing people and look for that individ ual I saw that man or that woman or I
00:04:04
know what happened to them missing people with an estimated several thousand people still missing an
00:04:12
unidentified to locate your missing person person that's what you want to do missing people and never returned
00:04:23
missing people throughout the United States missing people no one expects a dear friend or loved
00:04:44
one to vanish from their lives mysteriously and without explanation along with the grief and
00:04:51
pain there is always so much confusion around a missing person's case the loss of a loved one
00:05:00
is an incredible loss but not knowing what happened to them or where they could be is beyond mentally taxing and
00:05:10
emotionally it's torture February 3rd 2023 is National missing persons day according to holidays calendar.com
00:05:23
missing persons day is a holiday that's observed annually on the third day of February this day is designed to
00:05:34
highlight the fact that over 1,500 people go missing every year in the US national missing persons day was
00:05:44
created by Joanne lowitzer after her daughter Alexandria went missing in 2010 she wanted to create a day that
00:05:54
brought the Public's attention to the problem of missing persons every year Alexandria Joy lowitzer was last seen in
00:06:03
her hometown of Spring Texas on April 26th 2010 her family calls her Ally in 2010
00:06:13
she was 16 years of age Ally left school that day and got off at her usual bus stop near her home
00:06:22
at 300 p.m. in route she called her mother saying she was going to walk to Burger Barn where she worked to pick up
00:06:31
her paycheck this was only a quarter of a mile from her home she never arrived at
00:06:39
the Burger Barn Ally never came home and she has never been heard from again her
00:06:47
cell phone has not been used since she vanished Alexandria's case was originally classified as a runaway but
00:06:56
investigators soon started looking at other theor iies in her disappearance I am thankful to Ali's
00:07:03
mother Joanne lowitzer for pushing for an annual missing person's day there are other days similar to this but this week
00:07:12
we recognize this day National missing person's day February 3rd 2023 this day can be and should be
00:07:22
observed by everyone none of us are immune to experiencing loss or being lost ourselves
00:07:30
children go missing both men and women vanish the elderly some suffering from forms of
00:07:38
dementia some people with psychiatric problems regularly go missing and each year scores of indigenous women go
00:07:48
missing and far too often their stories are rarely reported so this year let's all take a moment and share the story
00:07:58
and picture of a missing person if all of us share information get the word out about particular missing person cases
00:08:07
then we can help to bring more people home if we all come together more people can be found and more cases can be
00:08:17
solved this is true crime garage Miss people missing people throughout the United
00:08:27
States missing people post pictures track DNA missing people and look for that individual missing people Marvin Alvin
00:08:43
Clark for those of you that follow a lot of missing persons cases out there you may be familiar with this name with his
00:08:52
name and this case this is a somewhat well-known case in fact some have said this is one of the most famous missing
00:08:59
person's cases a lot of that comes from just how old this case is when people become fascinated with certain types of
00:09:08
True Crime cases they tend to dive deep into those stories so they are on the internet hunting and trolling for new
00:09:17
stories but also researching the old ones well when you go to research old missing persons cases Marvin Clark's
00:09:26
name is sure to appear on the first page of your internet search any type of category of True Crime that you are into
00:09:35
many times people dive deep into that category be it missing persons serial killers strange mysterious deaths and so
00:09:45
on Marvin Clark's name comes up when you search for old missing persons cases and
00:09:52
that's because Marvin Allen Clark disappeared a long time ago there are some unconfirmed writings of Marvin
00:10:01
after his disappearance however it's generally believed that Marvin Clark's last known whereabouts was leaving his
00:10:08
home and tiger Oregon on October 30th 1926 yeah the year the colonel was born now his timeline Captain is a little
00:10:20
strange as you know and one could easily argue that there are a ton of holes in his timeline but let's get right to it
00:10:29
shall we on October 30th 1926 Marvin Clark left his home the reports that list his time or an
00:10:38
approximate time say he left his home around 100 p.m. that day many believed that he was going to visit his daughter
00:10:46
her name is Sydney moual Sydney worked at and lived at a hotel in Portland Oregon today this is a 10 to 12 mile
00:10:57
trip depending on the route that that you would take so that would take you about 15 maybe 20 minutes back then look
00:11:05
almost 100 years ago I don't know the routes or how long it may take to travel there we can make the easy assumption I
00:11:14
believe that it would have taken a considerably longer time to travel to and from Portland to his home in Tiger
00:11:23
Oregon his daughter Sydney was the manager of the Herford Hotel which was located at 7:35 hoit Street in
00:11:33
Northwest Portland now very quickly in this timeline we will start to run into some inconsistencies or discrepancies
00:11:42
the initial report of Marvin's disappearance which comes to us from a November 6th 1926 news article by the
00:11:51
morning Oregonian states that Marvin was to travel to Portland via Stage Coach but but then we get another report about
00:12:01
a week later that states that he had traveled to Portland by bus so right away Captain we start to see one problem
00:12:09
with our timeline here and that is the means of travel how was he planning to get to and from his destination we have
00:12:20
Stage Coach we have bus both are mentioned yeah they never talk much about Marvin visiting his daughter
00:12:27
before up in Portland Oregon stay weird but also I think one of the reasons why this case has stayed in the True Crime
00:12:36
community and one of the reasons why people continue to look it up is it he went missing during the Halloween
00:12:43
weekend yes it's a mysterious case already but then you double down on that with the Halloween weekend and then add
00:12:50
to that that this is an older gentleman right most reports have him 73 to 76 years of age at the time of his
00:13:00
disappearance so rarely and I say rarely after today's trailer people were going
00:13:05
to say Nick you just contradicted yourself rarely do we have reports of older people going missing now you will
00:13:13
see in a lot of times we have silver alerts where we have persons of an older age seniors that go missing and a lot of
00:13:25
times they are experiencing some dementia but here and the reason why I think this
00:13:32
is weird is that that's easily explained when we know that somebody is experiencing dementia it makes sense
00:13:39
that they went missing they wandered off and now their family everybody's looking
00:13:43
for them we need to find them as soon as we can here we could have that possibility of dementia but I'm pointing
00:13:51
out his age because a lot of times when we see somebody go missing it could be for nefarious reasons it could be that
00:13:59
somebody did something to them it could be that there is Foul Play suspected but
00:14:04
often when we have a situation where there's the possibility that the individual walked
00:14:12
away from their life to start a new we usually don't see it being somebody of this age it's usually somebody in their
00:14:22
20s or their 30s maybe even their 40s he has a whole life a a very long life of 70 plus years with his wife with his
00:14:33
family and his whole world as he knows it and they know it so unless we're talking about dementia here it would
00:14:41
seem very odd to me to have somebody of this extended age walking away to start a new Marvin Clark was also a very
00:14:50
handsome man and he was very Dapper and he was dressed for the occasion it just seems like he has all
00:14:57
his faculties it wasn't like he was disheveled and losing his mind or anything well I can agree with you for
00:15:05
the most part but the reports state that there could be a possibility that that is not quite the situation and that's
00:15:14
what is difficult about looking at his case as we said one could argue that there are a ton of holes in this
00:15:20
timeline and the thoughts about why how he went missing so let's get into that right away we see the
00:15:29
trouble with the means of travel right did he go by stage coach did he go by bus the captain is absolutely correct
00:15:39
handsome man very Dapper you could the the few pictures of him that I have seen he's he's well-dressed he's a
00:15:48
distinguished older gentleman he is often wearing a suit in fact one of the possible sightings and I want to be
00:15:57
clear here because there are some some reports that make it sound definitive that he was in fact spotted and seen
00:16:04
right I want to be clear speculative exactly thank you Captain so one possible sighting of Marvin Clark after
00:16:11
he left his home that day was we have a witness that comes forward saying that he was seen at the terminal on Yam Hill
00:16:20
Street in downtown Portland dressed in a dark suit in slacks okay that goes along
00:16:26
with everything the captain is saying this is as far as several reports are concerned to be the last citing of him
00:16:37
however I think we really need to hone in on this and I don't think that we can all conclude that that is a confirmed
00:16:45
citing of our man Marvin Clark what I think we have here Captain because other Reports say that there were no sightings
00:16:54
of him or there were possible sightings of Marvin Clark but they were later disputed and unconfirmed I think here
00:17:01
what we have is somebody trying to help trying to offer up some kind of solution
00:17:07
and point the family and law enforcement in some kind of Direction possibly confirming that he
00:17:13
did arrive in Portland this is somebody that is matching his description or someone that is believed to have been
00:17:21
Marvin Clark not definitively Marvin Clark well and let's take out the whole holiday weekend thing
00:17:29
it was the weekend and Portland would be the biggest destination of all the small towns in
00:17:36
that area on the weekend so I'm guessing that those terminals would be filled with more individuals which would give
00:17:44
us more of a chance to identify the wrong person right and here's the other problem we talk about means of travel as
00:17:53
being a complication and being a debate work worthy item here in the timeline but we also have the purpose of his
00:18:03
travel so the purpose of his travels it's often stated that he was going to go and visit his daughter well that
00:18:12
becomes tricky right away too because what we learn of this is how we discover that Marvin's missing in the first
00:18:20
place Marvin goes on this trip to Portland or at least that's what his wife was told it's been St that he was
00:18:29
going to visit his daughter and I'm guessing that his intentions were to not just visit but also to possibly stay the
00:18:37
night and that's what some of the reports indicate however when his wife after a few days of not hearing from her
00:18:45
husband she reaches out to the daughter saying hey did did your father how did the visit go did your father leave is do
00:18:54
you think he'll be back today or tomorrow and the daughter Sydney she says I didn't know he was coming to
00:19:00
Portland to see me right so right there and then we have our first problem of the purpose of his travel so other
00:19:08
articles state that he was going to Portland for a doctor's visit this is really interesting to me and I've I've
00:19:15
heard the arguments I've read the arguments and these are very smart arguments and we've seen this with other
00:19:21
more recent missing persons cases where you have this discrepancy in the story and there's a possibility that both are
00:19:28
true is there a chance here that he was going to the big city of Portland a neighboring City and he was going there
00:19:36
to visit a doctor has a doctor's visit and he says you know what what a great idea I will surprise my lovely wonderful
00:19:46
daughter while I'm there with a while I'm there with a visit from her father maybe his intentions were to stay the
00:19:53
night at the hotel make his travels a little more pleasant a little more enjoyable extend them out a little bit
00:19:59
and then return home so there's a there's a opportunity here that both are in fact true well I think one of the
00:20:07
things that makes it more complicated is it's not like he's traveling a large distance he's traveling a pretty short
00:20:13
distance so look he goes to the doctor's appointment he goes to visit his daughter she doesn't let's say she
00:20:21
didn't have time for him couldn't get him a room at where she was working no big deal I'll just hit the bus and go
00:20:28
back home right so it's it's not unlikely for somebody to make a impromptu visit when it's such a short
00:20:39
distance of travel right and here's the thing too though that I I have a bit of an issue with both of
00:20:47
these ideas for his purpose of travel we have and we know this to be true because
00:20:53
we've reviewed the newspaper articles there are articles that date back to November 6
00:21:01
1926 that are talking about communities and law enforcement and different jurisdictions actively looking for this
00:21:10
elderly man the problems I have with the timeline and the narrative or narratives
00:21:18
I think we shall say is some of these things could be easily followed up on right so we know the story about the
00:21:27
daughter where he may have been going to visit her or maybe it was a surprise visit but what we do know with the
00:21:35
daughter is that a he never arrives she never sees her father on his travels B she's unaware that he was going to visit
00:21:47
her or had any intention at all of invisi of visiting her so one part I have with that is it's stated in these
00:21:56
reports that if he was visiting his daughter his intentions would have been to stay the night well there's an
00:22:04
occupancy to hotels there was in 1926 there is today it seems a little out of character for
00:22:14
Marvin to go there with the plan of staying the night not knowing in advance whether he would have a room or not so
00:22:23
that seems a little weird but more strange than that in my opinion Captain is this doctor's visit I don't know how
00:22:31
things were back in 1926 but today I have to schedule an appointment with a certain doctor this
00:22:39
to me seems like something that could have been easily followed up on why does nobody in the family seem to know who or
00:22:47
what doctor he was going to visit if in fact he was going to a doctor why is there no followup on who the appointment
00:22:55
was made with if he ever arrived at that appointment because that that's the problem with Marvin's story right we
00:23:02
have this unconfirmed sighting of him at the terminal in downtown Portland so that would be an indication that he made
00:23:10
it to Portland however if he does not attend a doctor's visit if he does not which we know he did not meet up with
00:23:17
his daughter if neither of those things happen and this sighting is unconfirmed at best we have nothing to IND to us or
00:23:29
to prove to us that in fact he even made it to Portland OR was in Portland at any
00:23:33
time well Marvin Clark couldn't use his right arm he suffered from paralysis and
00:23:39
he also had a limp so these are two things that would really distinct him from other individuals but it also makes
00:23:49
you wonder at some point I'm guessing Marvin had a stroke and that's why he had trouble one walking and and two with
00:23:58
the use of his right arm and so is it possible that when he went to travel he had a a stroke and didn't remember who
00:24:06
he was or where he was at or where he was going yeah and that's the thing too it's when we talked about this possible
00:24:14
doctor's visit again these reports are out in the newspapers and this is a time when everybody's reading the papers if
00:24:23
he did in fact have a an appointment scheduled with the doctor even if his family didn't know what doctor it was
00:24:30
why did nobody come forward to say that he had an appointment scheduled again it's it's difficult to look at some of
00:24:36
these things because we don't know the exact workings of things in Portland Oregon in 1926 and like you said I mean
00:24:44
if he has a doctor's appointment why is why isn't that doctor coming forward and
00:24:48
saying hey I saw Marvin that day and and he had the appointment and this is what
00:24:53
the appointment was about or the reverse I didn't see him that day but he was scheduled to come in right and speak
00:25:01
with me so that's really interesting to me so I don't want to completely squash the whole doctor's visit idea but I
00:25:10
think we should really underline both things here when we go we don't know the means of his travels but we also don't
00:25:18
know the purpose of his travels well the purpose of his travels are very sketchy
00:25:23
at Best in my opinion where we have this doctor's visit that we know nothing about we have the daughter visit that we
00:25:34
that she knows nothing about right it's very strange it's a very mysterious and intriguing disappearance case now we did
00:25:45
state that there were some possible sightings of Marvin that could help the one that seems
00:25:52
to might possibly have the most or carry the most weight is the one that we've already discussed that Marvin was seen
00:26:00
at a terminal on this street in downtown Portland dressed in a dark suit in slacks some reports
00:26:09
even state that that is the last reported citing of him again I don't think that there's enough information in
00:26:15
there to confirm one way or another if that is in fact Marvin but the other possible sightings of Marvin are even
00:26:26
more sketchy than that one so this is the one that has kind of stood the test of time where the others
00:26:34
did not and I think that's because these other ones and we're only talking about
00:26:38
two or three at best right I don't think these other ones carried any weight at all because they are so far less
00:26:45
descriptive than this one yeah it seems like a handful of horeshit or big bag of
00:26:50
malarkey what is interesting to me here captain and this is one thing that we talk about in the garage when covering
00:26:57
these missing persons cases are identifiers right things that would separate Marvin Clark or any other
00:27:08
missing person from the masses from the from the just another face in the crowd for example when we
00:27:17
discussed Bryce Les Pisa his case he still missing unfortunately right he's got this big prominent tattoo on his
00:27:27
left shoulder this of a Taurus Bullhead so this is not a typical run-of-the-mill
00:27:35
tattoo you know it's not the uh it's not the the heart with an arrow through it or or it's not U what's you could get a
00:27:43
get the tattoo of the woman back in the day when you flex your your bicep and make her wiggle it's not one that you
00:27:49
would expect to see on every Tom Dick and Harry no he's got a very interesting very neat and unique tattoo
00:28:00
on his upper left arm so that is a an identifier for somebody like Bryce L Pisa who is still missing now you
00:28:10
mentioned it already here Captain with Marvin Clark we have his ailment right we have that that he is
00:28:20
having issues with not being able to properly use his right arm he has some kind of
00:28:26
paralysis he also walked with a limp according to many articles this is a distinction that at
00:28:34
the time is mentioned time and time again because police hoped that that would help to elicit sightings of him
00:28:42
that this would help people to go oh I remember seeing a man that looked like he was in his late 60s early 70s and he
00:28:49
he walked with a limp there are other reports too that stated that he needed the use of a Cane so of course this
00:28:56
would be another great identifier for somebody like Marvin [Music] Clark this show is sponsored by better
00:29:14
help do you look forward to the holidays maybe you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be a lot and it's
00:29:21
natural to feel some sadness or even anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to your life can
00:29:26
counter act some of those feelings therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you feel
00:29:33
grounded and to give you the tools to manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better
00:29:40
help a try it's entirely online designed to be convenient flexible and suited to
00:29:45
your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a licensed therapist and switch therapist
00:29:52
at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with better help visit betterhelp.com garag
00:29:59
toay to get 10% off your first month that's betterhelp hp.com Garage in tresto sukua tril volaran
00:30:12
tablets is the number one heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists and has helped over 1 million people with
00:30:18
heart failure it's a prescription medicine that treats adults with long- lasting chronic heart failure and works
00:30:23
better when the heart cannot pump a normal amount of blood to the body don't take in tresto if pregnant it can cause
00:30:29
harm or death to an unborn baby don't take in tresto with an Ace inhibitor or Alis Karan or if you've had angio Adema
00:30:35
with an ace or ARB don't take with Alice Kieran or within 36 hours of taking an Ace inhibitor the most serious side
00:30:41
effects are angio edema low blood pressure kidney problems or high blood potassium angioedema is swelling of your
00:30:47
face lips tongue and throat that may cause death if it causes difficulty breathing get emergency help ask your
00:30:53
doctor about Ino to learn more visit support. ino.com or call 83344 66699 for pricing visit ino.com
00:31:04
cost if you can't afford your medication novaris may be able to [Music] help sister
00:31:16
won't be quiet and the dog just threw a allall over my shoes why does none of this fall bother
00:31:28
me could it be this spacious call the spacious new Volkswagen Atlas it does life
00:31:41
beautifully you know what's Bleak shopping for home Basics like toilet paper holders entryway Hooks and jewelry
00:31:46
organizers it's like big businesses not only have a vendetta against the Earth but also against giving us attractive
00:31:52
quality options for home accessories ditch the plastic and Elevate the mundane with saffran every every day a
00:31:57
woman run sustainable brand for durable minimalist HomeGoods made from steel visit saffran everyday.com and use promo
00:32:04
code undercase pods for 15% off your first order of colorful Home Essentials that's s a n everyday.com
00:32:24
all right we are back cheers mates canes in the air if you're singing bass for Boys to Men cheers to you colel two
00:32:36
canes in the air for your Forest Gump magic legs ma magic legs well no and this you know like you said that
00:32:43
identifier is really important because it's a holiday weekend there's going to be a lot of people traveling and during
00:32:50
the weekend you would assume that there's a lot more people traveling to the big city Portland being the biggest
00:32:56
city in that small region right and so maybe you do see a guy that you think could be
00:33:03
in his 50s 60s or 70s but you go he didn't walk with a limp or I talked to him on the train or I talked to him on
00:33:10
the bus and both of his arms were working just fine not only does it help you identify if you saw Marvin but it
00:33:19
could eliminate some eyewitness sightings as well first he arm wrestled me with the left arm and one and then he
00:33:26
arm wrestled me with with the right and once again beat me again that's interesting captain and it wasn't lost
00:33:33
on me that it was a holiday weekend you know it's a it's a bit of a Hallmark holiday in my opinion but a lot of
00:33:40
people love Halloween I know a lot of people dare you dismiss Halloween best holidays ever I enjoy it
00:33:48
because I love the uh candy and I love the uh the the scary sounds uh soundtracks but yeah it sounds like
00:33:55
somebody's backpedaling on their Hallmark bicycle I don't know I I didn't look up or dig too deeply on to see if
00:34:04
there were any festivities going on in Portland partly though I I don't believe that there are you know too many men in
00:34:11
their 70s that are living for Halloween but I could be wrong right I've been wrong once or twice before now what's
00:34:19
interesting here too though that shows a an effort by the family so the family is
00:34:26
is quoted and had clearly spoke to reporters at more than one time early on when their father or husband was missing
00:34:39
because some of them are quoted and referenced in the newspaper articles from November and December of
00:34:49
1926 his daughter that he may or may not have been going to visit Sydney McDougall she offers up a $100 reward
00:35:00
for information leading to finding her father Marvin Clark and of course $100 back in 1926 is easily half
00:35:11
a billion dollars today yeah if my father went missing today I'd offer up a hundred bucks as well the math is not
00:35:17
correct do not check into that on November 9th the Bellingham Herald so Bellingham the the city of Belling is in
00:35:27
Washington so we're not terribly far away from Oregon but we are now across the state line the Bellingham Harold
00:35:38
reports that Marvin Clark's wife Mary Clark she receives air quotes a disconnected postcard reportedly written
00:35:50
by her husband that was postmarked in Bellingham Washington and there were persons that came forward that they
00:35:58
stated that they believed that they saw somebody matching Marvin Clark's General
00:36:05
description at two hotels in the area so yeah two different locations correct and
00:36:11
what I believe here Captain this is kind of a blanketed statement but to tear this apart a little bit this looks to me
00:36:18
like we're talking about two different eyewitnesses one at each of these hotels now the dates on these possible sighting
00:36:26
of Marvin Clark are November 2nd and November 3rd remember he was traveling on October 30th so we're a couple days
00:36:35
out this seems to reason that if it was Marvin Clark that was spotted by one or both of these individuals I'm guessing
00:36:43
it would take a few more days than than it does today for this postcard if it was in fact from her husband to travel
00:36:51
back to Tiger Oregon for Mary to receive it one thing you know Not only was Mr Marvin Clark handsome and Dapper as we
00:37:02
both agree here in the garage and I will post his picture to Twitter Instagram and Facebook if you're curious of what
00:37:09
Marvin Clark looks like I I do want to point out something that we haven't brought up yet Marvin Alvin Clark it
00:37:17
just it doesn't seem like H the Alvin must be like a family name cuz Marvin Alvin Clark little little strange to me
00:37:27
doesn't roll off the tongue but I would go with Mac for short uh if I would have
00:37:32
been Marvin Mr Clark was highly educated as well he attended and graduated from two different universities much earlier
00:37:39
in his life and we underline that though to point out that if in fact this postcard arrives and it's air quotes
00:37:49
disconnected in fact I don't like the the disconnected I don't even know what that means statement well I I can go
00:37:57
into it here a little bit because okay there's other reports that I think this describes it better badly jumbled
00:38:04
postcard is the other description and I looked high and then I looked low probably shouldn't look for things under
00:38:15
the influence I did not find I wanted to find an image of this postcard online because you know me Captain like so many
00:38:24
other a letter there's a note or letter I am fully invested in the the the mystery I wanted to review this postcard
00:38:34
and couldn't find it so if anybody out there any of our wonderful listeners knows where this can be seen please
00:38:40
email it to us that'd be awesome or hit us up on Twitter at True Crime garage or
00:38:47
tcgn we point out his education because look it's it's 1926 there's a much higher population of
00:38:55
people that cannot read or write at that time that would not be the situation for
00:39:01
Marvin Clark what I think the family's pointing out here is we received this postcard this is good because it means
00:39:10
he made it somewhere and he's still alive when it was sent however it's bad because we're reading this disconnected
00:39:19
or what I like badly jumbled postcard that came from our father from our husband we're concerned too that that
00:39:27
he's yes he he may be alive and he was able to send this postcard but the postcard is weird as hell all right so
00:39:34
if it shows up and it's all doesn't make any sense how the hell did he address the thing so it even ends up at the
00:39:41
correct address there are reports that state that it didn't go to his wife but that it went to either the daughter or
00:39:48
one of his sons uh but regardless of who receives the postcard I believe it was his wife
00:39:54
because the most of the reports state that that's who received it right regardless of who received it how the
00:40:01
hell is his message in the postcard all jumbled and doesn't make sense to anybody but he accurately gives the
00:40:09
address but on top of all that I mean no matter how it badly it's jumbled I would
00:40:15
believe his wife she would be the one that could look at that postcard and say yeah this postcard might be quote
00:40:22
unquote disconnected or all jumbled up but that is my husband's handwriting it might be slop a little more sloppy than
00:40:30
normal but um that's definitely his handwriting so I I believe that that's a it's not just a hoax or they didn't just
00:40:39
get some random postcard from some random individual in Washington yes and no I don't like this postcard I don't
00:40:47
like it at all because the postcard to me is much more nefarious than any of these other parts of his little timeline
00:40:57
here so what you're trying to say is that it's possible that if something nefarious happened to him that somebody
00:41:04
else could have mailed a postcard to the family to throw them off the scent that
00:41:09
something bad happened in Portland actually I'm going to go with this to different ways okay something bad could
00:41:14
have happened to him in Portland something bad could have happened to him in Bellingham Washington something bad
00:41:19
could have happened to him in anywhere I mean it's we're almost a hundred years later and we've we've not answered a lot
00:41:26
of the questions that are in this store we can't state definitively that he made
00:41:32
it out of his hometown exactly that's what I'm getting at this postcard to me just screams of potential Foul Play and
00:41:40
I want to underline the word potential there right we've seen it's not terribly uncommon for someone to try to
00:41:50
create an alibi in these types of stories right husband kills wife or husband has
00:41:59
somebody kill his wife and purposely calls home a couple times and leaves voicemails for the wife after he knows
00:42:07
that she's been taken out well I couldn't have killed her you heard the voicemails I was trying to get a hold of
00:42:12
her I had no involvement I had no knowledge of anything that happened to her and we've also seen it happen with
00:42:18
stranger on Stranger crimes it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody pulls an ID off of this guy
00:42:26
or pull something out of this guy's Pockets that and sees an address and decides to send a
00:42:35
postcard that with with a message that makes no sense right the other thing too is until we see till somebody else lays
00:42:43
eyes on this postcard none of the newspaper articles at the time this this is all we had a conversation with
00:42:49
somebody in the family and they told us they received this postcard I want somebody else's eyes to have seen this
00:42:55
postcard did this postcard even exist yeah good point did something happen to him before he even left tiger organ as
00:43:04
you pointed out Captain that's certainly a possibility that we need to discuss could have something happened to him in
00:43:10
Tiger Oregon and he didn't even make it out of there and I'm not trying to point
00:43:15
the finger at the family or anything but it would not be the first time that somebody creates a situation like this
00:43:24
to make it look like this dude left and he was alive and well but sent this jumbled postcard to us
00:43:33
several days later after he left our great little city here well just let's go back to my little
00:43:39
hypothetical my father goes missing right I could offer up a million dollars if I know that nobody's going to come
00:43:47
forward with correct information to come find him so just because somebody offers up a reward
00:43:55
doesn't mean that they they're not somebody that we should look at well and the thing here is look at the story when
00:44:01
you review the story it's one giant Tail Spin To Me family says he left tiger at Oregon to
00:44:12
go to Portland to visit his daughter daughter says I had no idea that he was coming to see me oh he might have been
00:44:21
going for a doctor's appointment we have no doctor to back up that there was ever
00:44:25
any appointment made or any visit that took place right postcard comes back saying that he's in Bellingham
00:44:32
Washington nobody ever said that he was going to Bellingham Washington to begin with it's one giant Tail Spin and then
00:44:38
some articles go out of their way to state that Marvin did not take a coat with him now this is to me an
00:44:45
interesting little angle here let's Circle back to the the the coat or no coat situation I want to completely
00:44:53
address this postcard you and the postcard the problem with the postcard here Captain let's say that let's say
00:45:00
the postcard is 100% factually real and true and they receive some confused misguided misconnected disconnected
00:45:10
message from Marvin where where's his body right if if he ends up going into some kind of state of Dementia or he
00:45:20
ends up having medical or health issues while on his travels he should have been
00:45:28
found unless unless I mean unless he's dropped out in the middle of nowhere out in the forest somewhere well we're
00:45:35
talking about this case what almost a hundred years later so this is this is not a case that
00:45:44
people in that area wouldn't have heard of so if some mental institution took him in or some Hospital took him in or
00:45:53
somebody took him in and said oh we found this guy and he's not able to talk or he's not able to communicate but he
00:46:01
could obviously write a letter so he he might have some dementia he might be going in and out of you know a conscious
00:46:09
state but you'd think that they would have heard of this in the news and at least been able to say hey hey we found
00:46:16
a guy and he might be Marvin but nobody has come forward right and to me it it so if he runs into health
00:46:27
problems if he gets into the state of dementia and gets lost or let's say out of outside of what we've heard
00:46:37
or what we've been told that he was even suicidal those three possibilities seem
00:46:45
very unlikely to me given that we we've never recovered Marvin Alvin Clark we've never
00:46:53
recovered his body he was never found anywhere if if Marvin had been discovered somewhere if he died on a
00:47:00
train or on a bus or in a stage coach or at some hotel we wouldn't be talking about this
00:47:08
story today there would be a lot less mystery there so those three possibilities seem to be much less
00:47:16
likely than the two possibilities that I think seem of a higher probability and I would believe that the
00:47:24
higher probability factors point to me that either a he wanted to go missing or B somebody wanted him to go missing yeah
00:47:33
it's a tough one because like we said he didn't have use of his right arm and he
00:47:38
had a limp and so to me that's indication that he had some kind of stroke and it's possible that he had
00:47:46
another one and lost the ability to communicate and it's possible that they did find him there was uh John Doe that
00:47:58
one could make an argument could be Marvin Alvin Clark who who is that because I think to me like the the coat
00:48:07
thing is another Factor another part of the story that might lead one to believe
00:48:14
or could be some evidence that maybe he was not thinking clearly when he left you know it's October 30th I don't know
00:48:21
what the weather was that day or that week but it sounds like his intention were to be gone for a night or a couple
00:48:29
of days that time of year you're probably going to want to take a coat with you so I think that is an indicator
00:48:35
that maybe he wasn't thinking clearly maybe dementia maybe health issues so you have that angle and I that's why we
00:48:43
bring up the coat but again if it's if it's mental if it's dementia if it's health issues any of that I feel like
00:48:51
we're we are finding him okay so in 1986 there was a John Doe that was discovered
00:48:58
um in the woods between Tigard and Portland and there was no identification found on the body but there was an
00:49:06
1888 Liberty Head nickel and a 1919 penny a pocket watch leather shoes and a Fraternal Order of Eagle pocket knife
00:49:18
and four tokens with the inscription DP were found near the body uh 38 Revol and a spent shell were also found near
00:49:28
the remains a pair of wired Rim glasses were also discovered and upon the autopsy of John Doe the State medical
00:49:38
examiner Dr Karen gunson observed a bullet hole in the man's skull they ruled the death of suicide and the
00:49:46
estimated age of John do was 35 to 55 which would be obviously a lot younger than Marvin they brought in Clark's
00:49:56
granddaughter Dorothy Willoughby to try to identify the body but there was no positive identification made and
00:50:06
Willoughby died in 1991 so again that J was discovered in 1986 he goes missing in
00:50:16
1926 so that's a that's you know I hate to say it you know I don't want anybody to lose their
00:50:23
lunch but that's a pretty body yeah the problem with this John Doe though is it was determined to not be
00:50:31
Marvin Clark and it took years for them to figure that out the interesting thing
00:50:36
here too was the Fraternal Order of Eagle's pocket knife I was a little surprised and of course I'm not going to
00:50:43
sit here and pretend to know everything about my grandparents or frankly I don't
00:50:47
know much and it's a little disappointing now that I've come to this realization that I know almost nothing
00:50:53
about my great-grandparents but the Fraternal Order of Eagles is is a club it's it's an organization that you have
00:51:02
to become a member of I was a little surprised to see you know I wanted to see if anybody would be yes he was a
00:51:10
member of the Eagles or he he was not um now you don't have to I guess there are
00:51:16
other means of acquiring such pocketknife without having been in the Fraternal Order of Eagles but it wasn't
00:51:24
until 2018 that they figure out that that John Doe is not in fact Marvin Alvin Clark
00:51:34
and that was based off of DNA now the University of North Texas have have been great and been doing Gang Busters work
00:51:42
on identifying unidentified persons for years they're probably if not one of the
00:51:50
best in the business of identifying these unidentified persons or unidentified remains they determined based off of DNA
00:51:59
samples that were provided to them from family members of Marvin Clark that this
00:52:06
in fact is not Marvin Clark so what we end up here with everybody doing all this good work we have the medical
00:52:14
examiner out where the remains were located in organ doing great work and keeping alive this case Marvin Clark's
00:52:25
case and we have the good people down at the University of North Texas doing wonderful work all trying to solve this
00:52:32
mystery and then what we end up getting Captain is two Mysteries we still don't know who Marvin Alvin Clark what
00:52:38
happened to him and now we have this situation where we have these unidentified remains that were found in
00:52:45
1986 we don't know we're not able to give a name to this person that was found okay I'm not I'm going to sound
00:52:52
like Mr Captain possibilities here here but they're looking for a quote unquote descendant of Marvin Clark and so then
00:53:05
they end up finding what his great great granddaughter look it's possible that you know his kids weren't his
00:53:18
kids and I don't mean to like just throw out every possibility in the world but there this was a time where
00:53:26
if if you got married to somebody that already had kids and you were going to just adopt them and and raise them as
00:53:33
your own that you might just never told them that you're not their father so I'm just saying it's is isn't
00:53:40
a possibility that yes it doesn't match his great great granddaughter's DNA but it it still could be Clark oh yes yeah
00:53:50
that that would be a possibility I would I would need to know more about the I know that's a little farfetched I don't
00:53:57
think it's so farfetched I think we would need to know more obviously about their family tree and about the DNA that
00:54:05
was collected by the University of North Texas it does seem to be a pretty definitive statement that they're giving
00:54:11
out but you've quickly poked some holes in that possibility so it's an interesting well the thing is is that
00:54:20
you have a missing guy for so many years and then what 60 years later you find these
00:54:28
remains and they're between supposedly where he was coming from and where he was going and people
00:54:36
claim there's multiple people that claim that he's possibly suicidal and this guy
00:54:42
death you know this John Doe's death is ruled a suicide what I can't get over is
00:54:48
these the nickel that they found and the penny that they found 1888 Liberty Head and a 19119 penny it
00:54:57
just seems uh strange I I'd like to know also if you have a revolver I think to find the date of when that revolver was
00:55:08
made to me that would be wouldn't be that hard to figure out right and if that puts us in the time period of
00:55:16
Marvin Clark then I'd go we need to we might need to reexamine this a little the other thing that you're going to
00:55:22
want to figure out as well is okay let's pretend that in the very slight chance you've brought up a
00:55:30
scenario where it could be Marvin Clark the remains that were found the skeleton
00:55:37
as been reported was found in the Woods by loggers between tiger and Portland what
00:55:46
the hell is up with Bellingham Washington If This Were to be Marvin Clark does I mean does he go to
00:55:53
Bellingham and then try to return to his home and then instead of going home he kills himself it it seems there seem to
00:56:01
be a lot of hurdles to clear to make this to be Marvin Clark I I no no but like you said I think you raised some
00:56:11
good points on what could make this disconnected quote unquote postcard it's fishy It's seems somewhat
00:56:21
nefarious it does it seems very strange in the the case this missing situation to me seems
00:56:30
a little shaky right I feel like it's a little shaky and I'm not trying to point
00:56:35
the finger at anybody but when we have so many Mysteries inside of the timeline itself inside of what should be a such a
00:56:43
short timeline it just there's something about it that feels very weird and I get
00:56:49
it it's a hundred years ago there could have been breadcrumbs that were lost along the way 100% nobody's disputing
00:56:58
that there could be blanks that should be could be easily filled in in the timeline here with Marvin Clark that we
00:57:05
just can't do given the time the passage of time here Marvin Clark's family continues to seek answers in this case
00:57:14
regardless of what happened to Marvin Clark his family wants to know what happened to him and namus has been
00:57:21
involved in Clark's case namus for those that are unaware is a forum for families
00:57:28
across generations to know that their loved ones have not been forgotten the oldest case in namus is a gentleman
00:57:36
named Elijah Cravens who has been missing since 1902 Cravens was last known to be riding a horse to The
00:57:44
Woodsman of the world fair in Oklahoma he was never heard from again although he may not be found he will always have
00:57:53
a resting place in in namus where he will be remembered there is also another case that dates back to
00:58:00
1920 but as far as I could find Captain this Marvin Clark disappearance of October 1926 is one of the oldest
00:58:10
missing person's cases as far as namus and other websites and databases are concerned again his family continues to
00:58:20
seek answers for Marvin Clark what happened to Marvin Alvin Clark where is he February 3rd is National missing
00:58:45
person day one of the things that we can do for the True Crime community and we see it a lot on social media I know
00:58:52
Colonel you see it a lot as people continue to share images and descriptions of missing persons and it
00:59:01
really does help it helps law enforcement and it helps to try to get some answers for these families yes and
00:59:08
we mentioned the name in the trailer we have Alexandria Joy lowitzer who has been missing since April 26 of 2010 she
00:59:21
was last seen in her hometown of Spring Texas she goes by the name of Ally she is a
00:59:28
Caucasian female she was aged 16 back in 20110 her height and weight are 5 foot2 140 to 150 pounds back then her
00:59:40
hair brown hair sometimes dyed black and she has blue eyes she was last seen wearing dark pants a hoodie and a
00:59:50
multicolored backpack and we discussed some of the limited detail TS about her Disappearance in the trailer her
00:59:59
family's still looking for her there's a chance that she did take off on her own
01:00:05
her friends were very Cooperative or appear to have been Cooperative in the early stages of the investigation but
01:00:14
later informed the family that Ali was dating a an older man at the time that she went missing this was something that
01:00:23
is yet to be determined as fact but was not mentioned at the time when she went missing so praise to her mother Joanne
01:00:35
who pushed for National missing persons day if anybody has any information at all regarding Alexandria Joy lowitzer
01:00:47
who is still missing you can contact the FBI vicap team at 800 6344 4097 or you can reach out to the
01:01:00
sheriff's department and that is timothy. Haz H yees sheriff. tx.net and we will put Ali's missing
01:01:15
persons poster on our social media on Twitter yeah so if you want to take a moment on February 3rd we all have have
01:01:24
missing person cases that we have looked into and tried to do some arm share detective work ourselves post a picture
01:01:33
of that missing individual and some information and we'll try to share as many of those as we can hash those
01:01:40
missing person and maybe we could get that trending in the Twitter sphere and just a quick reminder last week we
01:01:47
recommended our recommended reading from last week was a book called Hope by Amanda Barry and Gina De Jesu
01:01:55
which goes well with missing persons cases and National missing persons day this is a book of of two individuals
01:02:02
that were missing and they returned home this is a book that that gives hope to all of the loved ones of missing
01:02:10
individuals out there you can find that title and many great other titles and recommendations on our recommended page
01:02:17
at True Crime garage.com and until next week be good be kind and don't let it [Music]
01:02:59
[Music] my sister won't be quiet and the dog just threw a ball over my shoes why does none of this
01:03:15
bother me could it be this spous G the spacious new Volkswagen Atlas it does life
01:03:29
beautifully