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Welcome to True Crime Garage. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, thanks for listening. I'm your host Nick, and
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with me is a man that can only be described as the Brian Wilson of Snapchat. The Captain. Happy, happy, happy
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birthday to you, to you, to you. Olé. Well, thank you, Captain. A big happy birthday to Nick.
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And it's good to be seen, and it's good to see you. So, the Brian Wilson of Snapchat, that means that you just you
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just roll around in your bed? Yeah, I just like to wake up and just Snapchat from my bed. And then you hit then you
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hit snooze and go back to sleep. Yeah, I go for another 3 hours. That's why there's no bed in the garage because we
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can't have you being the Brian Wilson of podcast as Well, I'll say I'm a giant bear and I
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need my sleep. This week, Captain, we are drinking Not Normal by Five Toes Brewing. This is a
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very special amber beer, very delicious. I give it four and a quarter bottle caps
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out of five for our garage grade, and this was sent to us by one of our very good friends, John in Virginia. John is
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a home brewer, so we are having our very first home brewed beer here in the garage. Big shout out to John. He was
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serving this great country. He was in the army and back in 2009, he was stationed in Iraq and he was injured
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pretty badly by a roadside bomb. So, we want to thank John for his sacrifice. Thank him for his service as well. He
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was injured pretty badly and he is now left with only five toes and that's where he gets the great name Five Toes
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Brewing. So, thank you John for this delicious beer. We're drinking them tonight. We toast you, our friend, and
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thank you to all the men and women that have served this great country and a big
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shout out to my buddy Weird Mike. Thanks for the great beer. This stuff is certainly garage worthy and is shelf
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worthy as well. So, stick with the brewing, John. We are looking forward to another batch. All right, that's enough
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of the business. That's right. Gather round, grab a chair, grab a beer. I got mine and it's not normal. Well, you're
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definitely not normal. Let's talk some true crime. This is True Crime Garage and this is
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the case of James Dean Worley. The Fulton County Sheriff says authorities located the body in an area
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around County Road 7 Friday night. Positive identification will be made through either fingerprints or DNA.
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But at this time, we strongly believe that this is Sierra. Local, state, and federal investigators searched the
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grounds and ponds in that area, including the nearby home and barn of the suspect, James Worley, who is
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currently charged with abduction. Additional charges against Worley are pending. I want to express my heartfelt
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condolences to Sierra's family. At this time, our investigation will remain ongoing.
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But, we do anticipate additional charges against the suspect. 20-year-old Sierra Jagan of Metamora was
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a junior at the University of Toledo. She was last spotted riding back home alone on County Road 6 after parting
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ways with her boyfriend. Her bike was found in a cornfield off County Road 6. Law enforcement has been professional
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and unswerving in their efforts. A family spokesperson thanked volunteers and authorities for their help and is
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asking the public for privacy during this horrific time. Sierra was a remarkable young lady
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with a contagious smile. She was a loving person who has touched many people in her life.
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We miss her and we'll always love her. 20-year-old Sierra Jagan was a student at the University of Toledo in Ohio. She
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was out with her boyfriend on July 19th, 2016. They were riding bikes in rural Fulton
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County, which is west of Toledo. Sierra Sierra's boyfriend, Josh, he was riding his motorcycle
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and Sierra was on her bicycle. Josh said that they were riding together and at about 6:45 p.m., they had parted
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ways. So, Sierra was last seen by her boyfriend around 6:45 on July 19th. She was riding her purple bicycle on County
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Road 7. This is an area near where she lives in Northwestern Ohio. According to search warrants from the
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Fulton County Sheriff's Department, And this is where her and Josh grew up at. Yeah, yeah, and they had been together
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for quite some time, right? Yeah, they started dating in middle school. And and knew each other since they were
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children. Yeah, and so she's 20 at this time and she's in college. I don't know if Josh was in college at the time, but
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this is a very long-term relationship and I believe she wrote her bike to Josh's
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house. And he's he's kind of riding alongside of her on his motorcycle. Well, yeah,
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she rode to his house and I think she's going to ride her bike back from his house to her house. And we even came
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across a picture. Uh Josh has appears to have taken a picture with his cell phone. Yeah, I'm
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guessing that it is a Snapchat of some kind. Um I'm not 100% sure on that. It seems like
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in the corner there's like a little timer thing, so maybe that's a Snapchat photo.
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Uh obviously he took a screenshot of that and he posted on social media. And what he said in that post was, "If
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you have seen Sierra, let me know. This is what uh this is what she was wearing."
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Uh I'm sorry that I kind of said that a little funny. He posted Um I don't want to be the grammar police
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cuz we know everybody knows that listens to the show. We're not Grammar doesn't exist in the garage.
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Right. So, uh he just kind of misspoke a couple times or misstext, I guess. But he posted that on social
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media, "If you have seen Sierra, let me know. This is what she was wearing." And
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you can see in the photo he's taken a selfie. He's on his motorcycle and You you can barely see him though in the
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picture. Yeah, he's like Yeah, he's just in in corner. Um I'll post that on Instagram
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at True Crime Garage. And you can see her in the back, purple bike, like a mountain bike. Yeah, it's
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kind of like over his shoulder, you see her on her purple bicycle. Yeah, and she's wearing, you know, um, like
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official biking attire, it looked to me, or or athletic gear. workout gear, CrossFit, cross training, whatever you
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call it. Yeah, and so, and then in the back of that, it looks like there's some corn fields. So, again, I'll post that
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on Instagram and anybody can check that out at True Crime Garage. According to search warrants from the
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Fulton County Sheriff's Department, her boyfriend had exchanged text messages with Sierra for a few hours that evening
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before she suddenly went quiet. He tried to reach her repeatedly that night, but
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all of his calls went to her voicemail. Sierra was reported missing by her family Tuesday night, July 19th. Yeah,
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so my question is, how far cuz they she was coming back home and he was on his motorcycle for just a little bit,
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but he then exchanged text messages with her for a while after that. Mhm. And that's what I find odd, is so,
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how far was this bike ride home, or did she go home and just was not seen and then she went back out on her on her
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bike again? I don't know that answer. I'm guessing she may not have come home. Uh, the her mother, Sheila, said that
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she knew something was wrong very soon. She knew that evening that something terribly wrong was going on with Sierra.
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Uh, and she knew that the moment that Sierra didn't answer her phone. So, police are fully wrapped up in looking
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for Sierra, who is who has now been reported missing by her family. I do want to point out that the police were
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quick to announce that Sierra's boyfriend, Josh, was fully cooperating in the investigation and he was not
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considered a suspect. Yeah, and I think rightfully so cuz this is not just her high school sweetheart.
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This is her middle school sweetheart. They met when they were 10. They become best friends
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at a very young age, and then they start dating and in a small community like this,
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uh you're more, you know, you quickly become more than just a boyfriend. You start becoming a part of
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the other your significant other's family. Well, and the other thing that I'm guessing too here, Captain, is when they
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say that he, that Josh, the boyfriend, is fully cooperating, they're probably talking about things like what was
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leading up to the last time you saw her. Okay, well, I was on my motorcycle. Here's my motorcycle. You know, check
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check out my motorcycle. Check out the picture I took. Here's my phone. Look at the text messages. Look at what she sent
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back to me. Here, take my phone all night and next week if you want to. Yeah, and this is uh Northwest Ohio.
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This is, you know, kind of a rural area. Definitely definitely rural area especially the the county road that she
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was on. Yeah, and and uh Fulton County, um 2010, they say had a population of over
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42,000. Uh Which could sound like a lot, but it's not a lot when you compare it to
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the area, to the the the size of the area. Yeah, and Fulton County was named after Robert
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Fulton, the inventor of the steamboat, and I-90 goes through this. Mhm. So, you'll hear a lot of cases where
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people talk about I-90. We've We've had a lot of cases where we talk about I-90.
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Which is a highway, uh interstate, travel, you know, travels from state to state. And we should point out that this
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area of Ohio is northwestern Ohio, and it's all it's very close to the Michigan border. Yeah, and so just a
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approximation now, everybody's thinking, "Fulton County, I've never heard of that."
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Um this is 45 minutes away from Toledo. This is an hour and a half away from Ann
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Arbor, Michigan, uh, and about an hour and 15 minutes from Findlay, Ohio. Okay. So, after Sierra's family reported her
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missing, the police start to search the area where she was last seen. Again, this was County Road 7. During the
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search, uh, they come across a cornfield. Now, if you look at a map of the area, you will see that there are
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plenty of cornfields that line the these these county roads that are up in that area.
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Mhm. Uh, and in one of these cornfields, they find her purple bike. Uh, they also find evidence of a
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struggle. They find two pairs of sunglasses, one which belonged to Sierra, and they also find a screwdriver
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and a motorcycle helmet, which is covered in human blood. Yeah, let me pull up this picture real quick. Um,
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da da, cuz I want to see in the picture, yeah, in the picture she's wearing sunglasses. Uh, Josh is wearing
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sunglasses as well. Now, the the sheriff, uh, Roy Miller, he was quick to point out, you know, after
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announcing the findings, uh, finding her bike and some of these other items, I don't know that they were fully, uh, up
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front with the other items that were found, but they did say that they had seen evidence of a struggle and a
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possible abduction, and he wanted to make it very clear to everyone that their number one goal was still that
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they have not located Sierra. Their number one goal was to find her. After finding these items that we just
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listed, the sheriff's department continued their search of the area, combing the areas around the county road
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for additional clues and leads. They come across the property of a James Dean Worley.
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Now, what I couldn't figure out is is this James's property, or is this his mother's or his brother's property? Or
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maybe it's just like a collective family property. I read one article where it said that he had lived with his mom and
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his brother. Um, I The only other article that I was able to confirm that with was there was another article that
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stated that he lived with his mother and a neighbor that lived near them. He had
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complained to her about his mother's growing uh medical cost. Yeah, well, she was in a nursing home. She was like 99
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years old. Right. Um, now here's one thing that I've wondered about here, Captain.
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Now, the police found the motorcycle helmet, right? Yeah, and it supposedly had uh human blood on it.
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I'm wondering if, you know, did they just stop at every home along the county roads there and go up and question the
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person or did they happen to see, you know, from from the road, from the view of the road, were they able to see
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a motorcycle in the driveway or up by the house or near a barn or something and think, well,
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And when they were looking for um some kind of suspect, they were looking for somebody on a motorcycle.
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And that's where it gets a little interesting with Josh because uh like we said, Sierra's boyfriend Josh was on a
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motorcycle. So, did they see James Warbley or did they actually see Josh on a motorcycle?
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Well, either way, it brings them to James Warbley. Yeah, they end up at Warbley.
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at Warbley's property. And for whatever reason, whether they saw the motorcycle or not, they decide, let's go talk to
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This is right, but this is also not a huge town, right? It's not a huge uh county. And at the time, um
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Warbley is known to be a small engine mechanic. And he basically runs a small engine um repair shop out of his barn.
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Mhm. And he did a lot of work for neighbors and people that lived in the area. I'm
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guessing you could take your uh you lawnmower lawnmower, anything with a small engine,
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you know, maybe dirt bike or whatever. Yeah, probably mainly two-strokes. So, they decide that they want to talk
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to the person that resides at this property. And when authorities talk to James Worley,
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he had told them that his motorcycle had broken down very near the same location
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where they had found the missing woman's bike, the motorcycle helmet and other items earlier. And of course, Worley
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said that he had lost his helmet, he had lost his screwdriver, sunglasses, and some fuses for his bike. Now, of course,
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these are are precisely the items that were found at the scene. And it was not made public that any of these items were
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found. But what is also extremely suspicious, James Worley said something that the
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investigators found quite strange. He made the comments that he didn't steal anything or kill anyone.
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Yeah. And the persons conducting the interviews observed what they appeared to be fresh marks on the arms of James
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Worley. And what appeared to be bruising on his lower legs. That is just a silly
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remark by anybody. Oh, I didn't steal anything and by the way, I didn't kill anybody. Yeah, my my bike just broke
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down and and I Hey hey captain, how was your weekend? Well, I didn't steal anything and I didn't kill anybody.
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Yeah. The now the sheriff's department has what they call probable cause and what I call 100 arrows all pointing at
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the 57-year-old weird dude living in the country that just admitted leaving his bloodied motorcycle helmet right next to
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the missing woman's bicycle. So, this is when they get their search warrant. And
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when the authorities went and executed a search warrant at James Worley's property, what what found was even more
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disturbing. They find blood on Worley's motorcycle at the property. They also find a trove
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of items that are commonly used to commit criminal activity, more specifically abductions.
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They find zip ties, a ski mask, and mace. All these items were found in Worley's truck.
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A further search revealed a barn that had an area concealed by bales of hay. Nearby was a secured freezer that had
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blood in it. Now, there's no details on whether it was the blood itself was linked to Sierra's or to the suspect.
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But, let's think about this for a second. A secured freezer. So, he has a a freezer that locks. And they find some
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blood inside of it. Well, it's like carpet-lined freezer. And Which is odd. I've never seen a
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carpet-lined freezer. And authorities also found duct tape, several pairs of female panties,
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journals, maps, and a nanny cam on his property. A nanny cam. And there's no like baby or anything.
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There's no nanny. Right. Or baby. Uh authorities also find The nanny cam isn't It's like to spy on your nanny, is
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it? Well, No. Well, keep an eye on the nanny so she's not punching the kid. Mhm. But, anyway, back to the the secret
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room. Okay, this area that was concealed by bales of hay. The secret room contained restraints, and these could
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only be described as for holding humans against their will. It also contained plastic sheeting, ropes, chains, and a
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meat hook. These were all found on the property among other items. So, he's got kind of
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a whole Dexter studio set up there in his in his barn. Yeah, and this barn is I mean, there's
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parts of the barn that look a little dilapidated, but for For most part, it seems like to
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be well up kept and like something that was a functioning and functioning barn that they could use.
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Um probably some some of those parts were used for the engine repair business. Yeah, but clearly he had spent
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some time outfitting a portion of this barn with the Well, the the tough thing with
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with his own James Dean dungeon. Yeah, the problem though with the media and I think everything is that we make this
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huge big deal about all this secret room. Well, it's probably not actual secret room. It's a barn, right? So it
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it's only a secret room because he took this entrance and put bales of hay in front of it. So they just at constantly
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the media is constantly trying to make something sexier than it is. I mean and that's a horrible phrase that people
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use, but oh, it's more intriguing if it's a secret room. No, it just has happens to be a room that he hid with
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bales of hay. Well, but also keep in mind, you know, the the the authorities firmly believe
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that he was probably at the location where her bicycle was found. No, I understand that. And they find this
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room. And so of course after all these findings at the Worley property, the outlook became even more grim as it was
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starting to look like the the police and the sheriff's department, they were not
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going to be able to find Sierra alive. Almost immediately there is widespread support across the state of Ohio in the
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search for Sierra Jogan. Some family members and friends they handed out flyers with information about
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her. Others raised more than 25,000 through a GoFundMe page to support the search.
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Many others showed their support online by sharing information about her disappearance. There was even a $100,000
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reward offered for information that led to Sierra Jogan's whereabouts. Despite efforts and prayers, Sierra
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would not be found alive. In fact, her body was located on Friday, July 22nd. Jogan's body was found 3 days after she
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went missing, and she was found in a shallow grave in a cornfield not far from the James Dean Worley's home.
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James Worley was arrested the same day. He, as we said, lived in Fulton County, and he had been charged with aggravated
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abduction and aggravated murder in this case. Now, most articles that I read did
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not mention how Sierra Jogan's body was located or what may have led them to her
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body, but her remains were discovered 3 days after she was reported missing, but
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just hours after police arrested James Worley. An autopsy report from the county
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coroner's office shows that Sierra had died from asphyxiation due to airways being
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obstructed from a plastic gag in her mouth. She choked to death on a large plastic gag. She died
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of a period of minutes after the gag was placed in her mouth. The gag was described as a large, yellow, oval
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plastic device 3 in long and 2 in wide, and one of Sierra's teeth had been chipped.
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The report further detailed that Sierra's body was found hog-tied with ropes and duct tape, and her hands were
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handcuffed behind her back. So, her ankles were taped together, and the they had tied with the the rope
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to the hand handcuffs to the tape. Right. There was no evidence of a sexual assault that could be found. Um the
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report further revealed that Sierra's body was intact with no indications of significant trauma.
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And there was more evidence, the blood and the sunglasses that were found. It was later revealed that they had
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contained Worley's DNA. Mhm. Yeah, well, we kind of assumed that they were Worley's anyways. Mhm. But but we
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already had things connecting Worley, and now we're just circling the wagons and connecting more things to this
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despicable person. Well, yeah, they're just piling and piling the evidence to take this to trial. And one thing that
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came out very quickly after his arrest was everybody started talking about, well, is James Dean Worley a
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serial abductor? Because this is something he had been involved in before. Well, yeah, but
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let's be clear when when her body wasn't found, they just thought she was missing and he
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was charged before in 1990. He was charged um with the abduction of Robin Gardner. Mhm. And so
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they just kind of assumed here he is again abducting somebody, but they'll be found. And then once she's found, then,
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you know, we'll charge him with abduction and he'll go to jail. But then Sierra's body is found and now the game
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has changed. And we have a brief description of the abduction from 1990. Um it was, you know, you had said Robin
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Gardner. She was riding her bicycle. Again, we see young woman on her bicycle in a rural
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road near Toledo. And she told authorities that Worley had hit her purposely. And that he had tried to, you know, once
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he had knocked her off of like a truck or something? driving his truck, a flatbed truck. And
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while he was On that I-90, man. Once he had knocked her off of her bike, he tried to
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handcuff her in his flatbed truck while threatening her. You know, he's saying things like,
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you you know, do what I say, do what I say or I'm going to kill you. I'm serious, I'll kill you.
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According to the 1990 pre-sentencing report, this is everything that that came out in court regarding this case.
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Mhm. Uh, Gardner told police that she had managed to escape the truck and run to a man who had stopped his motorcycle
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after seeing the struggle inside the truck. According to Robin, Worley had inflicted a 1-in laceration on her right
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knee using a flathead screwdriver. Now, at the time, James Dean Worley, he was running a lawn mowing business, uh,
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again working for himself here. Uh, he did deny trying to harm Robin Gardner. He told authorities that he had only
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tried to restrain her because she was trying to leave the scene of an accident. well, James, how did she get the gash on
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her leg with a screwdriver? Yeah, you don't what I'd ask about the gash on her leg.
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restrain somebody using a screwdriver. I just tried to restrain her, you know, with a screwdriver. I wonder if he if he
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also stated shortly after that that he didn't rob or kill anybody. No, he didn't.
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And didn't steal anything. Anyways, no, but the thing is, you know, James is not
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a small guy by any means. Uh, and the best way to describe him in like in the jerk in the court photos
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that you can see of him, uh, he has, you know, this like red jumpsuit on, like a prison jumpsuit.
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But, he looks, size-wise, kind of like, uh, Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw Massacre
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if you just didn't have a mask on. I mean, he's kind of a bigger dude. Kind of large and lumbering kind of dude.
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Yeah. Um, he had went on to say that Gardner that Robin Gardner had caused the crash and that she had she had cut
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in front of him with her bicycle. And his statement was that my family and myself are good, decent, and very honest
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people. And that that was his statement to the judge at the time. Mhm. Now, afterward,
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Worley entered a plea to the abduction charge and he was sentenced, uh, for 4 to 10 years in prison
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according to an old court document. Which I mean this is what makes I mean I love our country. I love America. I love
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Ohio. But this is what makes our country so strange. This guy abducts a lady Mhm.
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for no freaking reason. He stabs her in the leg with a screwdriver. Right? Mhm. A sentence he pleads Yeah,
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he pleaded guilty. Then he's sentenced for 4 to 10 years. Mhm. And then he's released in three. Yeah, he was released
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on parole in 1993. And there's guys in jail smoke that were caught smoking pot a couple times that are spending more
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time in jail than this guy is. Yes. Yeah. Here Here again we see How that makes any damn sense,
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I I don't know. Or even dealing drugs, you know what I mean? It's like there should be some kind of separation
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between violent offenders and non-violent offenders, you know? Because to be honest with you, Captain, the guy
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that the guy that's selling some recreational use drugs, you know, two streets over, Mhm. he
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doesn't scare me. I'm not afraid of that dude. But the dude that decides, you know what?
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Well, I normally don't like that dude cuz that guy thinks he's a baller or something and I'm not really interested
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in that dude. But he doesn't scare me. But the guy stabbing the girl with a screwdriver in the leg,
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he doesn't scare me. I just don't want that individual around me. No, but what I mean is he's he's scary to society.
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You know, this this guy it just he's he's driving and decides, you know what? Oh, there's a pretty girl. There's a
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pretty woman on a bike. I'm just going to hit her with my truck. Well, our law enforcement and home.
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Right. And our law enforcement and our government should be really thinking more about how to protect the citizens
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than to oh, well, Alyssa, you smoked a little pot, so we're going to throw you in jail for for longer than James Dean
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spent in jail for stabbing a girl. I mean, abducting her, handcuffing her, and stabbing her in the
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leg with a screwdriver. And I do want to say that I am a believer in rehabilitation. I'm all for it. However,
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I got to believe that it's probably easier to rehabilitate the drug user or the drug pusher rather than somebody
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like James Dean Warley. I mean, he's he sat in prison. He's in there for 3 years. And he probably masterminded some
00:29:12
of his I don't want to say masterminded because he doesn't appear to be that smart of a guy, but uh he seemed to have
00:29:19
developed his plan a little more thoroughly during that time between the time of his uh original sentencing and
00:29:25
the time of this abduction. I mean, he outfitted a portion of his barn for his Well, yeah, let's dive into that and
00:29:32
hobby here. And let's dive into a little bit of his psychology and and the therapist stuff
00:29:38
after a beer break. All right, so let's dive into a little bit of this James Dean
00:29:44
Warley's um so after he was charged with the abduction in 1990 and then released in
00:29:52
'93, I think he was court-ordered to actually see a therapist. Yeah, cuz believe it I believe that at the time
00:30:00
they thought he could probably do this again. Yeah, and so as he's talking to his
00:30:05
therapist, he's making claims that uh you know, he's learned from his past abductions. Now plural. Mhm. So, we only
00:30:14
have the one on record or one that he's charged with, Robin Gardner, like I said, in '90.
00:30:22
So, but he says abductions, meaning more than one. So, what happened to these other victims? Yeah, and who are they?
00:30:32
You know, are there cold cases out there that that he has been involved in? Um we
00:30:37
know his type, right? You know, we we've seen two victims that are roughly the same age within
00:30:42
and 26. And um you know the the they're young women, young white women. Uh on both happen to be on bicycles,
00:30:51
which is strange enough, but he seems to be a person that works for himself and kind of must create his own hours
00:30:59
uh and he probably if he's done this more than once, I'm guessing that let's just assume he has cuz he's saying
00:31:06
plural. And well, and we know that he's done it twice. But what I'm saying is he's done this more than once, I'm
00:31:13
guessing he's probably out trolling for victims. That he's he's not just driving
00:31:19
home from the grocery store after picking up a gallon of milk and going, "Oh, there's a there's a girl that I
00:31:24
would like to hit with my vehicle and bring back to to my barn." I think it's he's out actually looking for uh a
00:31:32
victim that's by themselves uh that that he thinks he can easily overpower and abduct them. Yeah,
00:31:39
possibly trolling at some points, but I think in other cases maybe it's just opportunist. You know, so it's not far
00:31:46
from his barn uh the Sierra case is not far from his his property and he could have been picking up a part for
00:31:54
engine, you know, either on his motorcycle or in his truck and then gets back and goes, "Oh, I'm just going to
00:32:00
take my motorcycle out there." You know, who knows? I'm not We don't have really
00:32:05
have a clue on that. But so possibly sometimes trolling, possibly other times just opportunist. So but he's makes the
00:32:12
statements to his therapist that I've learned from my mistakes and the next one I'm going to bury. Yeah. Yeah, which
00:32:19
you would think, all right, Which is in the Sierra case, he does because she's found in a shallow grave.
00:32:25
Yeah. Yeah, so we know that the the he kept his word on that, but what I'm saying maybe he shouldn't have been
00:32:30
paroled. Um that should have been a few red flags go up right there, obviously, right? And um
00:32:37
but I you know, in these situations the therapist is is more representing the the prisoner
00:32:46
than the previous victim. Mhm. You know. And they got these statements from the therapist through a search warrant. But
00:32:53
I was digging a little more on this and it is actually now standard protocol that if you have somebody in therapy and
00:33:01
they're start making claims about hurting others, you actually have a duty to actually go to the police with
00:33:08
this. So if you state, you know, I just hate working in the garage and I I feel like I'm going to
00:33:14
hurt the co-host. You know, my therapist needs to dig deeper. Well, why do you hate him? Well, he stutters
00:33:21
on his words. He says escaped. Stuff like that. They have to dig a little bit deeper and
00:33:28
if they think there's actually some malice in there or some validity to what you're saying, they need to go to the
00:33:34
authorities. Now, the first abduction does appear a little more opportunist to me. Where obviously the
00:33:43
second Well, I'm glad you're on the same page as me now. Yeah, this the second one is clearly
00:33:47
planned out. You know, he's got the weird dungeon in his in his barn and he I don't I don't know if the second one's
00:33:54
planned out or if that weird room is just there. I mean, from from how long ago was that room set
00:34:02
up? No, what I what I meant by that is maybe that particular evening on July 19th, maybe he you know, he didn't set
00:34:09
out that evening planning to abduct somebody. But what I'm saying is I think that that area was
00:34:16
put together with certain items to to have a place for when an opportunity presents itself.
00:34:22
Right, right, right. And this is why the sheriff sergeant would give the statement that Worley
00:34:28
fits the profile of a serial offender and that he could potentially have additional victims who may have been
00:34:35
kept at his property for a short amount of time or sometime. What's uh what's John's Brews Company again?
00:34:43
Five Toes Brewing. And is it good beer? In the first abduction we see where he was unable to control his potential
00:34:49
victim. She gets away. he didn't stab her enough with the screwdriver. Yeah, and he was probably
00:34:55
looking to um handcuff her or tie her up to gain control over her at some point or at least get
00:35:01
Well, the other factor in this is the other motorcyclist. Mhm. And he was he was trying to drag
00:35:07
her to back to his truck according to Robin Gardner. And unable to carry the out that abduction. Now, we see where in
00:35:17
the second abduction he is able to overpower the victim and to gain control of her.
00:35:24
Um it does seem a little strange to me. has those marks on his arm and the marks
00:35:28
on his leg, so uh you know, at least there was a struggle. And it it does seem strange to me though if he was
00:35:34
on a motorcycle, uh that's that's a tricky way to to grab somebody and take them back to your
00:35:42
place, right? Right, but then I'm wondering is it a run off the road situation? You're on a motorcycle which
00:35:50
is a lot bigger than, you know, a mountain bike and so is the idea that you'd run her off the road?
00:35:57
I I get I'm guessing. I I mean he he he may not have had again, he may not have had a plan. This may have been an
00:36:03
opportunity that presented itself to him and he he acted on it um impulsively. And I think that's clearly what we see
00:36:10
in the first case, maybe in the sec- the second as well, uh even though he did have this place that he intended to take
00:36:17
her. Well, he and he might have taken her there. I mean, cuz the police haven't released every all the findings
00:36:24
of what they found in the barn. I mean, they have claimed that there is no uh human remains that they have found.
00:36:31
I think once they research the property more, um that possibly they're going to find some
00:36:39
things and those that will be brought to light in trial. But like we said, this is a very new case and this is
00:36:48
something that they have to keep a lot of stuff close to the vest because they do have to try
00:36:52
they haven't put James on trial yet. And I'm curious if they are able to end up finding any DNA of of the victim at his
00:37:03
barn or at his property. Yeah, and that's something that they haven't made claims to yet, but they did say that
00:37:08
there was blood on different parts in that secret room. Mhm. And remember, he did have that that potential
00:37:16
abduction kit in his truck. This is found in his truck, mind you. You know, and we're we're told that he used his
00:37:24
motorcycle in this abduction. that they're going to find Sierra's DNA at his property. I agree with that and I
00:37:32
think they probably they may have already done that. We know that they went in what was it? In August of this year?
00:37:39
After after this case was put together, they did go to his property searching for the possibility of other human
00:37:47
remains or evidence that there were other people kept there. Now, we've been told that as of this date, they've not
00:37:54
found any of that. Well, thanks for catching up. I said that about 5 minutes ago.
00:37:59
And but but here again, like we said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is evidence of Sierra, like you said, DNA
00:38:05
at his at his home, at his in his truck or on the motorcycle, in the barn. They're probably holding onto that.
00:38:14
They're going to use that in court against him. Keep in mind, he has pled not guilty, right? Mhm. Uh I wouldn't be
00:38:20
surprised if he is guilty of other I I think everything points to him being guilty of of Sarah
00:38:27
of Sierra's case, 100%. Yeah, I think the other thing that's weird about this is
00:38:34
I mean, we you know, we get a list of cases that are presented to us. And you know, we we've we like to do
00:38:42
some profiles here and there and we happen to do Ed Gein recently. Uh or like our Australian buddies call it Ed
00:38:49
Gein. Ed Gein. Oh, you guys did that case on the Ed Gein. Um the goofy Aussies. Um
00:38:58
but this is kind of a similar situation. You're You're Aussies. Aussies. You and I got in the
00:39:02
habit of saying Aussies. No, Aussies. That's why I call them like Aussie Osbornes.
00:39:07
Uh they're from the land of Aussies. Um No, so it's kind of the same situation. You got this family,
00:39:14
um plot of land with the barn and everything and then they it's the same scenario, you know? And then they go
00:39:21
back to you know, Ed's house and they find all this weird stuff. Well, you don't find
00:39:26
as weird of stuff, but it's still you got the secret room with all these, you know, basically methods of torture.
00:39:34
And then you find this victim and she was tortured. And well, and she it it sounds to me
00:39:40
like she may have passed a lot earlier or a lot sooner than he had anticipated. Um you know, she died from
00:39:50
asphyxiation on that gag on that apparatus that that he had put in her mouth. Now Yeah, and I question this
00:39:58
autopsy a little bit and normally I wouldn't just because science is science. The problem though is that there's blood
00:40:06
on his helmet. Mhm. And I'm just wondering how bad of a blow to the head maybe that she had
00:40:14
due to the helmet. I don't know. They did say there was no no visible signs of of like extreme
00:40:22
trauma. Okay, so where right Right, but no, I'm with you. I think that he used that blood probably came from him
00:40:30
overpowering her to to take her somewhere else. Well, and and if anybody's been watching
00:40:36
the CBS special on JonBenét Ramsey, they were talking about that possibly that she was hit with a
00:40:44
flashlight. But there was so there was damage to the skull, but there was no break in the
00:40:51
skin. So it could have been the same thing. So no break in the skin, but there's still damage to the skull or
00:40:57
damage to a bone. There was blood present. Who knows? Like they said, we don't know if it was his or hers or
00:41:04
combination of the two. Um I wouldn't be surprised here, Captain. We're talking about psych you know, the
00:41:10
the psychology of this monster. Mhm. I wonder if there are other victims out there, more than the two that we already
00:41:19
know about. If he is guilty of other crimes, do we see a confession here at some
00:41:26
point? Do we see a guilty plea at some point just to kind of You know what I mean? Because he he
00:41:32
looks very very guilty. There's no getting out of this one. There's no getting out of this one.
00:41:37
But there's a way to walk away from suspicion of other crimes, I think. then it puts more pressure on the DA. So
00:41:51
it gives you more bargaining chips. If you're just going to plead guilty from the word go, then they're not going to
00:41:56
lessen the sentence and also hope hoping that if you extend it out further, that
00:42:02
maybe there's not as much um public pressure Mhm. and that that he'll just get a lighter sentence.
00:42:10
Yeah, and originally he was when he was first picked up, he was being held without bond. Um and then eventually he
00:42:17
did enter a not guilty plea to the charges and he's currently waiting for his trial. Now, I've been told that his
00:42:26
trial will start next September. Not that not this month, but the following September. So, they probably have a
00:42:32
pretty big case here to put together. Um I don't think that he has the means to afford
00:42:39
great counsel. Um and I mean that in the terms of expensive counsel. Uh does doesn't mean
00:42:46
that there's not great counsel out there um by his means. But, what I'm saying here
00:42:51
is Well, some idiot will come along and pay for a good counsel and then make a documentary claiming this guy's that
00:42:58
this monster is innocent. And it's very likely that he's going to face the death
00:43:02
penalty. You know, we still have the death penalty here in Ohio. Um he is a repeat offender. Um and this
00:43:09
was a very heinous crime. Yeah, I mean this is a beautiful girl with a lot of life left. I mean, she was
00:43:17
going to school. She had a loving family. She was doing everything right and here's this guy that's doing
00:43:22
everything wrong and their paths crossed for whatever reason and this is the outcome and he deserves to go away
00:43:28
forever. He deserves to get sentenced to death if if if that's what your state carries. And
00:43:36
the thing is here well, the the the current state of the Ohio state death penalty
00:43:42
is is a bit strange. You know, we're not currently able to use the the drugs that
00:43:46
they use to put people to sleep. And um because of that, we've not actually executed anybody, I believe, in the last
00:43:54
3 years. Um they're working to try to figure that situation out. Um so, unfortunately, where our victim
00:44:04
her life was cut way too short. This guy, regardless if he's found guilty or not, he's probably looking at a long
00:44:12
stay here in prison. He's 57 years old. He may not ever see that execution date.
00:44:18
Well, like I said, here here's some problems that we have. You know, the therapists, they're taught to if if you
00:44:24
think that these claims that people are making have any validity, you need to go
00:44:28
to law enforcement. I believe these claims had validity. I mean, he's already charged and and spent time in
00:44:36
prison for one abduction. He talks about multiple abductions. Then he talks about
00:44:41
the next victim that I've learned from my mistakes. The next one I'll bury. This is red flags. This should have been
00:44:47
caught. This is um you know, when you talk about therapy, this is a mental health thing and this is this is
00:44:56
a area that we need to step up in. Exactly. And and if and if they would have caught
00:45:00
this earlier, and now I'm not putting I'm not putting any blame on them. I'm just saying that if we really step up
00:45:07
this area, this crime never would have happened and Sierra would still be living and and and and attending school
00:45:14
as we speak. Then there's other problems where he only spends 3 years in jail for
00:45:20
abducting a girl. And not only that, but I mean, [ __ ] some assault charges are
00:45:26
longer than 3 years and he's he stabbed her with a screwdriver. Yeah. Which is another item that we found in this case.
00:45:34
So, all around this is just there's there's there's a lot of issues with this going on. The thing that is really
00:45:40
confusing to me and I would like to know this information. I could not find it anywhere
00:45:46
is that her boyfriend Josh talks about that he was in communication with her after they split. Mhm. And for a while.
00:45:54
I just want to know how long that was and what what happened in that time period.
00:45:59
Yeah. Yeah, the the only description that I was able to find was he was saying that they exchanged some text
00:46:04
messages. And then at some point she quit responding to his messages and then that's when he tried calling her phone
00:46:12
and Yeah, and it could have been something like text me when you get home. So I mean that time period could
00:46:18
be actually a lot smaller than is what's reported. It could be short. It could be
00:46:22
a handful of hours for all we know, but at some point he's calling the phone and
00:46:25
he's only getting the voicemail. And a lot another thing that's happening with this case is there's a lot of threats to
00:46:32
James Dean Worley's property. And again, same thing with the Ed Gein case when we talked about when his property
00:46:40
went up for sale, they actually somebody burned it down, burned down the whole facility and they
00:46:46
knew that it was arson. So there's actually been similar threats to um Worley's property and this is actually
00:46:56
something that he really cares about. Now I'm not saying that this place shouldn't
00:47:01
be burnt down and I'm not saying that I want to applaud the person that did it. I'm not saying that I would uh
00:47:07
you know, give him a couple rounds of beers afterwards. But um but mind you, this is an ongoing
00:47:14
investigation. Mind you that there are other victims possibly out there that we don't have answers to their story.
00:47:22
And not just abduction uh scenarios, but possible other murders and that evidence could be found on that
00:47:30
property. So anybody that's thinking, well, I'm going to burn down this guy's place
00:47:36
you might want to think twice cuz you might be stopping the possible solving of another crime. Yeah, and
00:47:44
his property and it may be it may belong to his mother or his brother or to everybody in the family, I don't know.
00:47:50
But the property that we're talking about, we figured out is what, roughly about 3 acres? So it's not it's not a
00:47:56
small piece of land. Now, they they have searched it for remains or or evidence of such of abductions or whatnot. They
00:48:05
haven't found that, but that doesn't mean that they've searched every nook and cranny.
00:48:08
Right, but the thing too is that's what's being reported, like we said before. That's what's being reported.
00:48:12
That doesn't mean that's the truth. Mhm. And in this case, the the law enforcements don't have to be open and
00:48:19
transparent to the public. No, because there's still a trial that's going to happen.
00:48:23
the and the main thing is to get this monster locked up and put away for a very long time. Now, there was a person
00:48:29
in the area that had said that her and her daughter had gone to his property to get a her daughter had some kind of rec-
00:48:37
recreational vehicle that that she used and the daughter was was kind of young, like maybe 13 or 14-ish.
00:48:43
Um they were having that vehicle repaired by Worley. And they went to the barn and
00:48:51
he was working on, you know, fixing this vehicle. And one thing that the lady had said
00:48:57
that she found to be extremely strange about him. Now, she had actually This was just days before the disappearance
00:49:04
of Sierra. She said one thing that she found to be strange of James Worley was that they
00:49:10
had been there about a year to a year and a half prior to have something else fixed. And this
00:49:17
was the only time that she and her daughter had ever met James Worley, right? They arrived to get this vehicle
00:49:25
repaired. And immediately he greets them by both by name. He clearly remembered them, uh which she
00:49:33
found to be strange. Uh and he even pointed out that mentioned to the daughter, like, "Oh,
00:49:39
aren't you like 12?" You know, she he had got the age right from the year before. Mhm.
00:49:45
Uh she had also said that the first time that they were there back in 2015 that the barn itself was a wreck. Like,
00:49:53
it was just a total mess. There was stuff everywhere. And when they returned this time in 2016,
00:50:00
uh just days before the disappearance, that the barn was extremely tidy. It was very clean. Everything had been picked
00:50:06
up and put away in its right spot. And she found it to be strange that this person had lived and conducted himself
00:50:13
in and and one manner for so long and then just a year later, complete change. Yeah, but it could be a million
00:50:21
different reasons. I mean, some logical reasons. I mean, his mom might have been put away in a home and
00:50:28
then he then decides that he's going to organize things the way he wants to. Again, is it that strange that he
00:50:34
remembers their name? Hey, it's business practice. You do business with somebody
00:50:38
before, you make some notes, and then you can remember a little bit something about them next time you do business
00:50:43
with them. That's a common business Um It may not be strange to you or to I, but it was strange to the person that
00:50:50
had met him on two occasions. Which I find interesting. And and you know, furthermore, uh you know, is it strange
00:50:57
that the barn is all of a sudden clean? No. But did he clean it for a purpose other
00:51:02
than, you know, just tidying up the place? Was he getting rid of things that he didn't want on his property? I'm just
00:51:09
going to go with what the therapist talked about when he said "abductions". Mhm. I've learned from my abductions
00:51:17
more than one. Uh I don't think that's a slip by any means. I mean, he also had this uh weird relationship with his
00:51:24
mother. Was constantly There was a lot of claims um by the nursing home that she was in and
00:51:31
by other caretakers saying that he was very mean to her. Uh the police were called out uh one time to check on the
00:51:38
mother because they thought maybe that Warley did something to her. Uh there was also time that uh he went The police
00:51:44
were called out to the property again cuz he had a fight with his brother. Nobody was arrested at any of these
00:51:50
times. But with the mother case, the police were so concerned that they actually said, "No, we're going in the
00:51:56
house." And when they went in the house, she was just asleep. So, I mean, this this
00:52:01
This is the stuff that pisses me off so much because here's this guy that committed a crime. He gets let out too
00:52:07
early. He's now talking to a doctor. He's saying some goofy [ __ ] Nobody reports that. He has all these other
00:52:12
weird freaking claims and everybody knew him as, you know, "Yeah, he's fixing engines." And maybe that means that you
00:52:19
don't get a you're not around a bunch of people all the time. But it's like as a
00:52:23
society, let's wake up, people. And when there's some weird [ __ ] going on and somebody's acting a little [ __ ]
00:52:29
kooky, let's take note of it and then give that to somebody that maybe can take some
00:52:36
action on that on those notes. But it's it seems like, you know, I applaud the lady. She came forward
00:52:43
after the guy is is arrested say, "Yeah, you know, he he seemed a little strange." Well, that's great, lady.
00:52:49
After the after Sierra's found. That does nothing. And just like the doctor, congratulations. We already found the
00:52:56
victim. Well, the doctor didn't come forward. That was a that was a warrant that was issued and that's when they
00:53:02
found that information. And Well, so I applaud you, you know, for coming forward after you
00:53:07
you're served a warrant. but applaud the the authorities for for serving the warrant and getting that
00:53:13
information. Uh and the other thing though with with the woman that I was describing, uh who
00:53:19
knows? We don't you know, media media is a bit of a [ __ ] right? We who knows? They could have been out with their
00:53:25
cameras of a [ __ ] with their cameras and with their microphones, with their pads and
00:53:29
their pencils, going around Fulton County asking anybody, "Did you know James Dean Worley?" And if anybody's
00:53:36
willing to say anything, they jot it down. Next thing you know, it's on CNN or it's in People magazine or it's
00:53:41
wherever. Um you know, that she may not have come forward. She may have been asked a
00:53:46
question. Now, we talk about possible other abductions, right? Now, one thing I thought that I would
00:53:54
take upon myself was to search the Ohio cold case database and I I got a little discouraged and
00:54:03
very tired along the way, right? So, I started because this case just took place two months ago. I had to start
00:54:11
very recently, right? And so, I started going backwards in time searching the database for people that would have been
00:54:18
similar description to the two girls that that we know of Right. in a similar area. And of course, I was going to
00:54:25
ignore anything between the years of 1990 and 1993 when he was locked up. But one thing that got real sad real quick
00:54:34
was I'm checking out cold case murder cases in the state of Ohio. And I only made it to the year 2003.
00:54:44
That's as far as I could get back before I started falling asleep at the table. By the time of 2003, I don't remember
00:54:52
what month I was in at that point, but I had already looked through 600 cold case murder cases in the state of
00:55:00
Ohio. That was that was really took the wind out of my sails to know that there's 600 murder cases that are
00:55:06
unsolved in the state of Ohio since the year 2003. Yeah, well, maybe if you quit
00:55:11
your damn day job, we could solve some of these things. So, I only made it back to 2003, right?
00:55:18
I'm wondering how far back do we have to go on this guy checking these cold cases
00:55:25
and seeing what's in the area and see seeing anything that matches the victim profile
00:55:30
Mhm. before we come across anything? Well, I the questions I'd want to ask is when did his father pass away? What was
00:55:37
his relationship with his father? Uh we know that he was mean to his mother, had
00:55:42
some issues with his brother. Um I would want to know some of his history in high school, but I think he could
00:55:48
with somebody sick like this, I think he could go back as far as 18. Well, I think too that you might want to
00:55:55
know maybe what was his different living situations. Has he always lived at the mother's property? You know, because you
00:56:01
had mentioned earlier that you thought that she was now living in a retirement home.
00:56:06
Yeah, yeah, she might have passed away by now. I'm not for sure. Last I saw she was like 99 years old.
00:56:13
Right. Um you know, he's 57. Well, when you give uh birth to evil, maybe you just can't die. Yeah, but what I'm
00:56:20
wondering is are we seeing are we seeing something here where um where he's he's starting up again? Well, I think
00:56:29
Because because mom's not around. Because now he's there's there's less eyes on there's less eyes on James Dean
00:56:35
Worley in the property that he lives. What I mean by that is you you wanted to ask questions about him
00:56:41
specifically. I'm wondering what was some of his different living situations. Did he ever live by himself? Because
00:56:47
Well, I think the bigger issue with this whole thing is that if he was driving a
00:56:51
truck for a living and on that I-90, now you're talking about, you know, not just
00:56:56
northwest Ohio. was a landscaper at that time. So, it may have been a landscaping truck that
00:57:02
he was driving. I don't think he was like a semi truck driver. Yeah, but all I'm saying is that you're on that I-90.
00:57:08
So, it's very easy to jump on and and then you have you have this excuse of this company
00:57:16
that you can give to your family and friends. Probably didn't have any friends. Uh
00:57:21
on why you're out of town. Yeah. Yeah, and you're right. He might not have had any friends. There were There was a
00:57:26
person or two in the area that had said he seemed to be a guy that knew a lot about the people that lived in the area
00:57:34
and nobody in the area really knew a lot about him. Yeah. Yeah, I mean typical loser. Right? Mhm.
00:57:40
Uh and I and I think the thing about it and that was scary to me is when you look at the college towns around that
00:57:46
area, you got Toledo, you know, a hour and or less than an hour away, Ann Arbor about an hour and a half away. You have
00:57:54
Findlay, Ohio, which is hour and 15 away. You got Tiffin University up in that area.
00:57:59
It seems like the kind of girl that he's going after is college age. Yeah. And and it's like
00:58:06
this bad perfect storm. No, you're right, because most most people see that as see
00:58:12
those as areas of potential growth, personal growth, higher education. He sees those areas as hunting grounds.
00:58:21
I don't know what he sees them as, but I just think just think he's a real douche. Well, his
00:58:25
actions, I can tell that he sees those as hunting grounds. It's it's obvious. Um I do want to point out here that
00:58:31
there was a woman that came forward recently. Her name is Rachel Hill. Uh she is the sister of Lauren Lori Ann
00:58:39
Hill, sorry. Um and Lori Ann Hill was killed in 1995. She went missing for days before a
00:58:46
hunter discovered her body in a cornfield. Now, Lori was just 14 years old at the time of her disappearance and
00:58:53
her death. Um her sister really feels like James DeAngelo Morley is guilty of of her sister's death. There's
00:59:03
not a lot of evidence to to provide that suspicion. Mhm. Um however, it should be
00:59:09
noted that that she believes this because of the similarities in the case as well as the close proximity to where
00:59:18
they live. Do you know how close that is? No, I I guess um she was the victim lived in a
00:59:25
place called uh Swanton. Yeah, I I I don't know that area too well. I used to play in Findlay a lot at
00:59:32
Nino's. So, anybody in Findlay, Ohio, I used to play there. You probably saw me play sometime. Mhm. And Toledo, Bar 145.
00:59:40
If you get need a nice beer, check out that place. Uh I played there several times.
00:59:46
Um No, I think when it comes down to this all, I mean, a lot of armchair detectives and and real detectives would
00:59:55
go, "Okay, well, we have one victim at 20 and one victim at 26. So, this is just his MO." And like I said, he's
01:00:04
college area, so he's it's like this bad perfect storm. But you know, even though I I don't really
01:00:11
care too much for this lady's comments afterwards about, you know, him knowing her daughter's age,
01:00:17
I think people are so quick to say, "Oh, no, no. It's not his MO. He's he's into
01:00:25
20-year-olds." Hey, he just might be into opportunities. And so, I think this is if this lady has
01:00:32
a gut feeling that uh James is involved, um they need to take that serious, and and hopefully they can add another
01:00:39
charge to this. And I think it's important that you dive into these other cases solely for
01:00:48
that once I believe once he's convicted Mhm. of this crime, this heinous crime, and he is sentenced
01:00:56
to life or death penalty or whatever. And hopefully and I'm not advocate for the death penalty, but hopefully he's
01:01:04
sentenced to death, and therefore Worley will start speaking, so these other victims' families will have some
01:01:14
closure. Mhm. Yeah, because once once the possibility there's no more threat. You know, you can't be can't be
01:01:20
threatened with a more harsh sentence. So, why not why not come clean with some of with some of your actions? Um so,
01:01:28
real quick here, I just looked up we talked about Robin Gardner. She was the first girl that well,
01:01:34
we had spoke about her. She was the one that he attempted to abduct from an area
01:01:38
called Whitehouse, Ohio. Now, Whitehouse, Ohio is about 12 mi southeast of Swanton, Ohio. Swanton is
01:01:47
where this Lori Ann Hill had disappeared from. Now, Swanton, Ohio is only about 6
01:01:53
or 7 mi east of where Worley was currently living uh at the time of of this case.
01:02:01
Okay, so next week can we just like talk about like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
01:02:05
Factory cuz sometimes this stuff just it's just it's horrible because at the end of the day
01:02:10
this beautiful girl lost her life. Mhm. And uh and this guy, you know, who knows what he's going to
01:02:19
if he's going to get if they're going to get justice or not and I'm hoping and I'm praying that uh he gets the harshest
01:02:26
penalty allowed. Yeah, he's he's currently facing 19 charges. Some of those charges are kidnapping, aggravated
01:02:33
murder, um abuse of a corpse. Uh like I said, he'll be facing court next September. I think that the state will
01:02:42
get the justice uh and put this guy away forever and and hopefully get some justice for the
01:02:48
family and his other potential victims. I'd like to hear an update on this Lori Ann Hill situation. Um hopefully they
01:02:57
can figure something out with that as well. Uh yeah, and if we get any updates, um
01:03:02
we will do update show on this. Mhm. We do have recommended reading, Captain. All right. This week we are recommending
01:03:09
This This week we're recommending Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Read something that's not true crime so you
01:03:15
don't feel so bad about the world. Well, we are recommending Released to Kill Again by John Summit.
01:03:22
Well, that sounds like it's true crime. Mhm. Are criminals who have been convicted of murder really being
01:03:28
released back into society to live among us? Yes, they are. John Summit reveals the shocking true
01:03:35
crime and murder stories of seven convicted criminals who not only killed once, but they were paroled only to kill
01:03:42
again. You can pick that up by going to our website truecrimegarage.com. Click on the recommended page. You will
01:03:49
see all of our books that we've recommended over the past year. Uh-huh. Um, and Is it Is it up-to-date now? It's
01:03:57
up-to-date, but I I I I should correct what I just said. I don't think you can find everything that we've recommended
01:04:03
on there, but there's about 20 or so books currently listed on there. So, you're only like 30 books behind.
01:04:09
I'm a We're missing some of the ones from the early days. All right. That's That's
01:04:14
your one job is that page. That's right. So, go to go to truecrimegarage.com. Click on the recommended page. Don't
01:04:20
listen to the Captain, and pick up Released to Kill Again by John Summit today. And And for everything true crime
01:04:27
garage, you can check out our website truecrimegarage.com, and all social media stuff, Twitter,
01:04:32
Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat. If you want to see the Brian Wilson of Snapchat, @truecrimegarage.
01:04:39
And don't forget about our recommended viewing, The Girl on the Train. Yeah, it comes out October 7th.
01:04:45
October 7th in theaters. This is the thriller mystery about the girl on the train who She sees this house every day
01:04:52
on her everyday commute. Mhm. And she fantasizes about what's going on in the house. Does Does the
01:04:57
perfect couple live there? And it turns out that there is a murder mystery, and she finds herself all wrapped up in this
01:05:04
all entangled in the mystery. Yeah, and I like true crime, but I'm a I'm a sucker for uh mystery movies, thrillers,
01:05:11
and I think this one is just going to be great. I'm calling it. It's going to be
01:05:15
one of the best films of the year. Yeah, my favorite is a whodunit and this looks
01:05:19
like a really good one. And I know a lot of my friends have read the book, and so
01:05:24
they're really excited about the movie. I have not read the book yet, uh but sometimes, you know, the book is is
01:05:31
better than the movie and all that kind of stuff. So, I'm not even going to read
01:05:35
the book on this one. I'm going straight for the cinema on this one. Girl on the
01:05:38
Train, October 7th. And you know what? The popcorn always tastes better when you're watching the movie rather than
01:05:46
reading the book, right? So, Yeah, and you don't get butter on the pages, On the pages. You wipe the butter on the
01:05:52
pages. Yeah, so go see Emily Blunt starring in The Girl on the Train in theaters
01:05:58
October 7th, and until next time, be good, be kind, and don't litter.