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JonBenet Ramsey ////// Little Miss Christmas

December 04, 2019 / 56:31

This episode covers the life and tragic death of JonBenet Ramsey, detailing her family's background, the events leading up to her murder, and the investigation that followed. Key topics include the Ramsey family's history, JonBenet's pageant successes, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding her death.

The episode discusses JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, highlighting their backgrounds and the family's move to Boulder, Colorado. It details their affluent lifestyle and the events leading up to the Christmas of 1996, including the family's Christmas party and the various pageants JonBenet participated in.

Listeners learn about the timeline of events on the night of JonBenet's murder, including the family's activities on Christmas Eve and the discovery of a ransom note the following morning. The episode raises questions about the circumstances of her disappearance and the 911 call made during the Christmas party.

Throughout the episode, the hosts discuss the impact of the media coverage on the case and the various theories surrounding JonBenet's murder. They also reflect on the family's interactions with friends and the community during the holiday season.

This episode sets the stage for understanding the complexities of the JonBenet Ramsey case, providing context for the events that unfolded in the days leading up to her tragic death.

TLDR

The episode details JonBenet Ramsey's life, family background, and the events leading to her murder on Christmas 1996.

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her brother [Applause] JonBenet Ramsey [Music] find out there would be very few little
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girls as famous as blonde six-year-old JonBenet Patricia Ramsey she was born in Atlanta Georgia on August 6th 1992
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parents John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia and Ramsey her name as unique as it was
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was a combination of her father's first and middle names her father John was a wealthy businessman and her mother Patsy
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was a former beauty queen John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined man he graduated from Michigan State
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University in 1966 with an electrical engineering degree five years later a master's in business administration from
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MSU John was married before he and his first wife had three children Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but
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the two divorced in 1978 on November 5th 1980 he married what many considered to
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be the woman of his dreams 23 year-old Patricia and paw yeah better known as Patsy Patsy attended West Virginia
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University and graduated with a BA in journalism in 1978 just a year before she won the Miss West Virginia beauty
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title in 1977 On January 27 1987 Patsy gave birth to the couple's first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years
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later they welcomed their second child Jon Benet in 1991 the family moved to Boulder Colorado for John's business
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access graphics a little background here John was extremely hardworking and driven he was an entrepreneur he started
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a computer company in the 80s eventually his company and two other companies merged in 1988 this formed
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access graphics the company was then sold to Lockheed Martin in 1991 John became the chief executive officer and
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president of access graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop in beautiful Boulder Colorado the Ramseys
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purchased a 7,000 square foot home the address 75515 Street Boulder Colorado the home was purchased for $500,000 some
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reports state the home is 11,000 square feet but I believe that would include maybe the basement balconies in other
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areas we all know how the real estate listing game works they also did a very extensive renovation on the property as
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well speaking of which I will do my best impression here it's a beautiful red brick Tudor style home built in 1927
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there are four floors including the basement the basement is made up of a series of small rooms the home features
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two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms Burke and JonBenet's rooms are located on the
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second storey JonBenet's room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony the master suite is above the
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children's rooms located on the third storey the ramsey's patsy in particular loved this house the Ramseys were riding
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pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of peaks and valleys sadly on January 8th 1992 John Ramsey's
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oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsey was killed in an automobile accident in Chicago Illinois
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she was just 22 years old on December 23rd 1992 the Ramseys purchased a 1731 square foot vacation home in Charlevoix
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Michigan for 336 thousand dollars for those unfamiliar this is an absolutely beautiful area northern Michigan right
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along Lake Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of 93 Patsy Ramsey is diagnosed with breast
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cancer for this she will receive exams at the Charla Void Community Hospital and treatments in Maryland now we're
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going to go through a pretty thorough timeline for the Ramsey family some of these events may seem trivial however
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given the crime that we know is going to occur these items were included in this
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timeline because of the possibilities and the suspicions surrounding this case in 1994 seven-year-old Burke hits his
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little sister JonBenet on the cheek with a golf club well let's be clear this is
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not a situation where Burke decided I don't like you and I'm gonna smash you in the face with a golf club this was
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purely an accident this wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat because he was trying to
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kill me I questioned this at first glance because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and
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they can be quite vicious at times plus when they're very young as they would be
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in this situation it's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister or your brother
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with it because they did something mean to you first and Burke only being seven years old he want to be thinking if I
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hit her in the face with a golf club I could possibly kill her right this could have lasting consequences however
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everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident and believe it or not in my own life I
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have experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the face with a golf club in
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the face on the backswing because the person was standing too close as the other person was taking a swing we don't
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have the details of this specific accident however again everything indicates that it was just that an
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accident right but it was pretty vicious because JonBenet would be left with a scar a short time later JonBenet
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underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from the golf club
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incident in December of 1994 the Ramseys giant beautiful home is one of just seven
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homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tour this is important for a few reasons
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mainly this means that approximately 1,500 people will participate in a tour of the Ramseys property and the house in
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April of 1995 four-year-old Jon Benet Ramsey wins the Colorado State all-star kids pageant now she will participate
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and win several pageants I'm not going to go through all of them captain frankly when researched well you get a
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bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm or at least have double-checked
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October of 1995 was a happy and exciting month for the Ramsey family Jon Benet was crowned Little Miss Colorado
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sunburst and John Ramsey was the winner of the Entrepreneur of Distinction Award
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yeah but to be clear I don't think like her whole family was revolved around her
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winning something I think it was nice when she won and they devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made
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the family's year if she got some award regarding John Ramsey's business keep in
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mind access graphics is doing very well and the company is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly
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then it was Patsy's turn to receive some recognition this came when the April 1996 issue of women's magazine profiled
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Patsy Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of personal
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information about John and the kids then in July of 1996 Jon Benet won America's
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Royale tiny miss the following month she finishes second and the Sunburst national pageant this pageant was held
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in Atlanta Georgia on Saturday November 30th John Ramsey hosts a surprise 40th birthday party for his wife of 16 years
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and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December 29th mm-hmm
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this was a big 40th birthday celebration for Patsy held at the Palace Hotel in Denver there's a lot of speculation
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though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset
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about turning 40 then on December 6th during the lights of December parade JonBenet appeared on her own Little Miss
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Colorado float this is an annual parade where spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local businesses
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churches and civic groups the parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an
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appearance by Santa Claus this takes place in downtown Boulder in 1996 Burk was in this parade as well on Friday
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December 13th there is a big holiday party at the Ramseys home this is attended by more than 150 of their
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friends from church so again just pointing out another event at their house with a lot of guests so what we
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are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up to many guests
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over just the few years that they have owned the home right four days later on the 17th the six-year-old was crowned
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Colorado's Little Miss Christmas this is one of the larger pageants that she has
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participated in and certainly an achieving moment and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing that
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Jon Benet would be named the 1996 Little Miss Christmas now we don't have a date
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but I want to make sure that we include this here there is a report that this took place sometime in December of 96
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and this comes from a statement to law enforcement at some time in December Jon Benet tells a gardener this is Brian
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Scott about her father John Ramsey she says I really miss him I she was around more yeah he's working
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pretty hard probably traveling a lot and it's later reported that his net worth at this time would be roughly six point
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four million dollars December 20th was a busy day for the Ramseys on two fronts one axis graphics had a luncheon party
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and a celebration for more than 300 employees at the hotel bull Dorado and two Jon Benet participates in a school
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performance at high peaks Elementary School Patsy attends the performance the access graphics luncheon and the
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performance at the school are going on at the same time so Patsy is not present for the business celebration because she
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is at the school now it's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to JonBenet's death for
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any number of reasons truth be told none of us really know for sure here's an excerpt from the book
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death of innocence authored by John and Patsy Ramsey in the book John says early
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in December 1996 Tom Carson came to my office John I want you to look at these figures I looked up at him standing at
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the door with a handful of papers as best as I can tell we're going to hit the billion dollar sales mark in a
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couple of days it's a big milestone a billion dollars my mouth dropped I know we were close but I didn't think we were
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there yet it's on top of us he smiled probably in a couple of days I think we should do something to celebrate
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I agreed if for no other reason than to congratulate our employees a billion dollars in sales and 600 employees
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worldwide was a big milestone for access graphics one of our public relations people thought we should also contact
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the newspaper to announce our success I had a gut reaction that the press release wasn't a good idea I didn't want
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that kind of visibility outside of the business still I agreed since our employees deserve the recognition now I
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wonder if this publicity might have attracted the attention of the killer or further irritated the person
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if he or she had a grudge against big business access graphics or me know John's memory of this party in the book
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states that the luncheon was held on December 16th according to The Daily Camera Business Magazine this
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celebration was held on December 20th John did a phone interview regarding the company success and on December 21st the
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daily camera business magazine publishes the article on axis graphics reaching 1
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billion dollars in sales alright so why are we going with December 20th and not December 16th that's a good question
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we have a couple of reasons for that one we know that the luncheon and the school
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performance occurred on the same day we have statements saying that the performance the school performance was
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on the 20th and we also have the fact that the daily camera business magazine article comes out that same year I mean
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just the day after the party John's book does not come out until years later and
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he's going off of memory on December 22nd JonBenet Ramsey is gonna be in a beauty pageant and the Southwest Plaza
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Mall this is the one that she sings rockin around the Christmas tree and she has a toy saxophone sometime in late
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December the Ramsey family sent out their annual Christmas card with the Ramsey family updates for their loved
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ones the 1996 Christmas newsletter reads as follows dear friends and family it's
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been another busy year at the Ramsey household I can't believe it's almost over and time to start again Malinda 24
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graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working in pediatric ICU at Kenney stone hospital in Atlanta John
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Andrew xx is a sophomore at the University of Colorado Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in
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math and spelling he played flag football this fall and is currently on a basketball bench his
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little league team was number one he's lost just about all of his baby teeth so I'm sure we'll be seeing the
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orthodontist in 1997 JonBenet is enjoying her first year in real school kindergarten in the core knowledge
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program is fast paced and five full days a week she has already been moved ahead
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to first grade math she continues to enjoy participating in talent and modeling pageants
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she was named America's Royale tiny miss last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss Christmas her teacher says she is
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so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book report John is always on the go traveling
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hither and yon access recently celebrated its 1 billion dollar mark in sales so he's pretty happy he and his
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crew were under way in the port huron to mechanic Island Yacht Race in July if I had to
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pull out Midway due to lack of wind can you believe that but his real love is the new old looking boat Grande season
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which he spent months designing I spend most of my free time working in the school and doing volunteer work the
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Charlevoix house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of the Better Homes and Gardens
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publications in 1997 on a recent trip to NYC my friend and I appeared among the throng of fans on The Today Show Al
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Roker and Bryant actually talked to us and we were on camera for a few fleeting moments we are all enjoying continued
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good health and look forward to seeing you in 1997 one final note thank you to all of my friends and my dear husband
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for surprising me with the biggest most outrageous 40th birthday bash I have ever had
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we'll be spending my actual birthday on the Disney big red boat over the New Year Merry Christmas and much love the
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Ramseys I I kind of find this whole ritual that people do with the updating of the families it's kind of douchey
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well I feel like this is a very upper-class typical holiday thing update everybody with a newsletter I've never
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and probably will never experience having to put one of these letters together yeah being just a regular
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blue-collar guy myself what it jumps out to me is that episode of Everybody Loves
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Raymond where they write a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves that's not true but here everything that
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Patsy and I'm assuming Patsy puts this together as it sounds you know she says I spend most of my free time it really
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points to her upbringing and how polished and posh she really is yeah and I everything that she has put here is
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true and it's just it's just interesting to see how the other half lives well it
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just seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddle down vanity River I've never lived far from
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family and friends so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of on December 23rd this is just two days
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before Christmas the Ramseys hosted a Christmas party with approximately 30 guests attending and with former
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journalism professor Bill McReynolds playing Santa Claus McReynolds was a ramsey family friend probably one of the
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more alarming details in this timeline during the Ramseys Christmas party mm-hmm at 6:47 p.m. someone attending
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the party placed a 911 answered by police dispatcher therese hillary the caller hung up without saying anything
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police called back but when they did no one answered and the call was picked up by the Ramseys answering machine
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because of this an officer goes to the home as 654 p.m. the officer knocks on the door and is invited in and then
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leaves at 7:09 p.m. this after being assured that there was no emergency this has made people speculate was the
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perpetrator of this crime at this party and calling 9-1-1 to see how fast somebody would respond to 911 this is
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one of those items that you you look at it and you just go what is going on here
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because as you just pointed out it could mean something very big to this case into the investigation right if in fact
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what you said and what people have speculated toward is true that means the killer is at this party but or somebody
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that worked with the killer is at this party right but you also have a lot of kids running around is it possible that
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one of them just picked up the phone and dialed 9-1-1 and then never confessed to
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it because they don't want to get in trouble there is a guest list that you can find online I have reviewed it
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myself don't care to go into it here as it sounds quite boring to just read off a list of names the other thing I
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question though to captain is what kind of staff was working this party would we
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have had people helping out whether it be caterers or somebody answering the door valeting cars you know so it could
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extend beyond the guest list for whoever called 911 with you I think that there's
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a very likely possibility that with all these kids running around one of the older kids wants to do something funny
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in front of the younger kids and calls 911 you know and get scared and hangs up well there's two other things some
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people have 911 on a speed dial so you have people working a party did somebody pick up the phone to call this is 1996
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they don't have cell phones most people don't have cell phones so did somebody working the party go to make a call
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hit the wrong button and it speed dialed 911 that's something I couldn't find information from
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little JonBenet Ramsey herself called 9-1-1 because something happened at that party
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party were not for sure it's been reported multiple ways that the person playing Santa Claus got a tour of the
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house from Jon Benet Ramsey some people speculate that happened in 1996 some people say that happened in 1995 so bill
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McReynolds was considered a family friend of the Ramseys and someone that he wasn't just somebody that was hired
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to play Santa Claus they they knew this man on some level right he had played Santa Claus at their holiday party
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before and as you said it's a bit confusing on the stories that you hear even over 20 years later where some
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people will say Jon Benet gave Bill McReynolds a tour of the home at some point during the party on in 1996 some
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people say that it may have happened in 1995 we also have a situation where it is said that Jon Benet gave Bill
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McReynolds a gift and he would say years later that out of all the times that he
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played Santa Claus out of all the parties that he attended as Santa Claus that Jon Benet was the only child to
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give him a gift again and he's receiving this gift a couple days before her death
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so that's something that obviously would stick out to you other and the only other gift that he probably ever got was
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like maybe a stinky lap from some dirty kid on Christmas Eve December 24th an article appeared in The Daily Camera
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according the Ramsay's Christmas party apparently this daily camera is just watching and reporting everything going
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on in the Ramseys world during the day on December 24th JonBenet played at a friend's home this is Meghan Kosta
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Nick's house and told Megan's mother Barbara about a secret visit from Santa now this wasn't just her running up and
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saying hey Santa's gonna visit me there was a discussion had between Megan's mother Barbara and little JonBenet right
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Barbara questioned JonBenet as to when Santa was going to pay her this secret visit because we are on Christmas Eve
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you can imagine the natural conversation that would be had when an adult and a small child the adult is going to say
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something to the effect of yes you've been good all year and when you go to bed tonight Santa's going to visit you
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and when you wake up you're going to find all your presents under the tree through this conversation what Barbara
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would learn is that Jon Benet explains to her no I'm not talking about you know she wasn't talking about the traditional
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visit from Santa Claus as we all know it right that's already gonna happen she says no this is going to be a secret
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visit after Christmas mm-hmm and of course at the time this doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for
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Barbara or strange right it would only be until a few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm bells
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one that's what's so difficult about this case is there's so many little points of you can't even calm evidence
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just points of speculation that could mean everything or it could mean nothing at all the other thing to hear captain
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is I'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind
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is immediately jumping to Santa Claus bill McReynolds who we just discussed playing Santa Claus at the Ramseys home
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on the 23rd I think that natural fit we should keep in mind here though how many Christmas events has
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this little girl attended just in the recent weeks right how many santa clauses did she come into
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interaction with we talked about the parade that she attended that she sat on the float
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the main attraction was Santa Claus she could have spoke to a Santa Claus there or just somebody dressed as Santa
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Claus right or Santa Claus at the mall or yeah the mall pageant that she attended there was the school event this
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is the second of the Ramseys Christmas parties and who knows how many parties they attended as a family right but
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let's just say that she's spent a little more time than some of the kids with the
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family friend playing Santa and he just casually says she she might have said something to him like well yeah I know
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you're gonna visit me on Christmas what but what about after that he's like oh wow else I'll pay you a special visit
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after Christmas not didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six-year-old just like the 911 came from
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the Ramseys home on the 23rd this mention of a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas could mean a lot
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it could mean nothing at all in regards to the investigation on December 24th later that day the Ramseys attended the
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Twilight service at st. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder Colorado around 9:00 p.m. John Ramsey retrieves a brand-new
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silver girls bicycle stored at a neighbor's home this is Jo barn Hills garage and he places it under the
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Christmas tree for Jon Benet and then both John and Patsy Ramsey get stashed Christmas gifts out from their basement
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it's listed here as the basement area and place these under the tree as well this is interesting for a few reasons
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one it shows that at 9 p.m. on the 24th both I rant both Ramsey adults both parents went down into the basement to
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retrieve these hidden Christmas gifts for the kids right there basement as we mentioned earlier is made
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up of a series of rooms there are several small rooms in this basement it's my understanding that the large
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room was more of a play area now given the size of this home I don't know that a designated play area means
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that it was frequented by the children often or if it was just a once in a while
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type thing well their house is very interesting to me because it's so large but it's so blocked off in little
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sections it's almost like a maze and also when you see pictures or video footage when they had the little tours
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for the houses the Christmas tours their house looks immaculate it looks amazing
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but but when you see crime scene photos of the house it looks every room looks like it's in a disarray it looks like to
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me I would say every room needs to be cleaned every room needs to be organized based off those pictures so it's a it's
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a very interesting house a couple of quick thoughts here before we move on Campton often you know this was a home
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built in 1927 and often when homes are added to over the years they end up looking like that where it's a it's a
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lot of smaller rooms rather than a few giant rooms yeah and I also wondered and I couldn't find I know that there's
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blueprints of this house online and I found like the top floors but I couldn't tell the basement and like you said this
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house has been added on to but a lot of times the basements aren't added on to so it's let's say it's a 7,000 square
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foot home well that basement only might be 1500 square feet the reason why I pointed out
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that the basement was a series of rooms as well as question how often the basement was in actual use by either the
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parents and/or the kids is that my assumption here is that the parents are hiding the gifts from their kids
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they could be possibly hiding gifts from one another as well right but just wanted to point out that on Christmas
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Eve both parents state that they went into the basement of that home now I question how often the children would be
00:37:09
in the basement because we're gonna have a lot of questions going forward about a
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very small room that's well tucked away in this basement if the kids don't go down there very often there's no need to
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hide these gifts to that extent they could have just hid them in the quote-unquote playroom yeah but it's
00:37:31
pretty common knowledge that this room that they quote-unquote called the wine cellar is a room that was unfinished it
00:37:38
was to be come a wine cellar never happened and that's often where they would hide gifts because that at least
00:37:48
that part of the basement we know that the kids didn't go to so we we have do we have something stating that they the
00:37:57
gifts were hid in this wine cellar no but what we have from John Ramsey is when he was explaining to the police
00:38:05
officers this is you know this is what we call the wine cellar but it's not finished yet it's going to be the wine
00:38:11
cellar right now it's just used for storage and sometimes we put presents there for the kids on December 25th 1996
00:38:20
this is around 6:00 a.m. the Ramseys wake up later in an interview Patsy will say it was six ish probably the Ramseys
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John Patsy Burke and Jon Benet will partake in the normal Christmas morning activities exchanging and opening gifts
00:38:37
breakfast and you know captain I feel like the Christmas morning cup of coffee is the best one of the year I love when
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the parents stop everything and say look we're not opening up anything and so I get my first cup of coffee right right
00:38:52
make them wait at noon John is going to leave the house this is to go and check on the airplane keep in mind they have a
00:39:02
planned flight for early the next morning sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. John
00:39:10
Ramsay returns to the home from checking the plane so the family with the exception of John leaving for a bit this
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is pretty much just a really great Christmas day at home now you had touched upon something just a few
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minutes ago where you said when you see the crime-scene photos that the house is
00:39:31
in disarray that it's just a mess well first off with my standards with two young children in the home and having a
00:39:39
big Christmas I would say a big lavish Christmas because the parents have all kinds of money and they can buy these
00:39:47
children all kinds of stuff one would anticipate to see a mess especially when they're not hosting anything you know
00:39:55
they've already hosted their Christmas get-together one would expect to see a mess
00:40:00
however I do want to point out that there were several people close relatives of the Ramseys that stated
00:40:07
that the house was kind of always in a mess even though that the house had a housekeeper and that they had some help
00:40:15
that would come in and take care of some things for them the house was always in
00:40:19
a mess this again in part two young children will do that to a home right but messy house messy mind I also want
00:40:29
to point out that in years past we have video footage of the Ramsay's Christmas on I believe it was 1994 and I maybe
00:40:39
some footage on 95 I don't know if that was released to the public but on 1996 what they claim is I think they woke up
00:40:47
and the battery was dead of the camcorder so that's why they didn't take a video that day between 5:00 and 6:00
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p.m. the Ramseys left their house this is all four of them John Patsy Burke and Jon Benet and they are in route for the
00:41:03
home of their dear friends flea and Priscilla white this is for a Christmas party I've seen this reported to be as
00:41:12
early as 4:00 p.m. but most often it's said to be in the five o'clock hour this is
00:41:19
your typical Christmas party but at an unknown time the Ramseys leave this party right on the drive home from the
00:41:30
party JonBenet and her brother Burke fell asleep in the car and the Ramseys made
00:41:35
some stops along the way to drop off gifts this is to Stuart and Roxy Walker's home and then to Glen and Susan
00:41:44
Stein's house because we don't know exactly what time they left the party and what time these stops took place we
00:41:54
also don't know exactly what time the Ramseys arrived back at their house right they claimed it was between 9:00
00:42:01
and 9:30 we would have several stories about what would take place once the Ramseys arrived at their home one of
00:42:12
these stories says that John put Jon Benet Ramsey to bed and then he went and played a game with Burke afterward and
00:42:21
eventually Burke goes to bed mm-hmm the Ramsay's later reported to the Boulder Police Department officers that Jon
00:42:29
Benet Ramsey was last seen by Patsy Ramsey in the residence at approximately 10:00 p.m. according to Boulder Police
00:42:38
Department detective Linda aren't John Ramsey said Jon Benet was last seen by him at approximately 2200 hours 10:00
00:42:47
p.m. either way both of these statements put Jon Benet as being last seen in her
00:42:54
bed at 10 o'clock right and a lot of people think how it went down was they get home she's still asleep they don't
00:43:03
want to wake her up and Jon carries her to her bed that's where he would say goodnight and then supposedly this is
00:43:12
where Patsy Ramsey comes in to check on her and says goodnight to her as well John would tell to Boulder police
00:43:20
officers separately that he read to both children before they went to bed now later he would deny both of those
00:43:28
statements yeah because I've heard him say several times that he to bed and she was asleep when he
00:43:34
carried her to bed yeah I just don't know here captain I could see mmm either of these situations being very likely
00:43:42
kids fall asleep in the car you don't want to wake them up you put them straight to bed it's also Christmas
00:43:48
night you know thinking back to my childhood you remember when you get like something
00:43:53
super cool like like a Super Nintendo or a really big gift right and then your parents are like here's your Super
00:44:02
Nintendo with a couple of games oh we got to leave and go to somebody's Christmas party and you're like no last
00:44:09
thing I want to do is leave so still Vince yeah they could have still been excited and
00:44:15
when they got home either situation makes make sense to me what doesn't make sense is that the stories aren't the
00:44:24
same or similar enough yeah and I would say look if you're Burke Hey look at the
00:44:29
story they both fell asleep on the way home nine-year-old Burke wakes up and guess
00:44:36
what he wants to do he wants to play with one of his cool toys that he got just like he just said JonBenet Ramsey
00:44:43
is she's six years old and think about the amount of stuff she's done she she's been a in
00:44:50
competitions she's been performances she's had to be run all over to this family gathering
00:44:59
this friends and family gathering I'm assuming that this six-year-old is wiped out and there is a picture that was just
00:45:08
recently in the last couple years released to the public which is supposedly the last picture of JonBenet
00:45:15
that was ever taken and she looks tired in the picture and that was taken at the
00:45:21
party before they left to go home so and also like I said early claims from John
00:45:29
Ramsey this is what happened later claims from John Ramsey this is what happened I'm gonna go with that story
00:45:37
around 10:00 to 10:30 p.m. Patsy goes to bed now according to Patsy's statement John goes to bed
00:45:46
at 10:03 to 1033 p.m. what we're basing this off of is that Patsy says quote John came to bed shortly thereafter then
00:45:58
asked do you recall if it was 15 minutes or a half an hour right Patsy Ramsey says it was probably just a few minutes
00:46:06
so we are tacking on three minutes either way to that statement 1003 to 1033 John and Patsy both claimed that
00:46:16
they were not awakened during the night they're both in bed yeah but I heard it reported somewhere I want to say maybe
00:46:23
was John Douglas that John Ramsey claims that he took some kind of sleeping aid that night I believe that to be correct
00:46:32
as well as I think that was a pretty regular thing for John Ramsey either way by both accounts we have both of them in
00:46:41
bed between 10:00 10:30 ish 1033 at the latest yeah I've not seen any reports like
00:46:49
growing up when I was a kid my father would go through and check the windows and check the doors now we didn't live
00:46:57
in a 7,000 square foot house but I wonder if John Ramsey had some kind of routine that he would check the
00:47:06
perimeter of the house it has been said that he did that night and it has been said by people that were close to the
00:47:13
family and their housekeeper that the Ramseys were quote good I believe the quote is actually really good about
00:47:22
locking their doors mm-hmm but it's interesting because they're not using their alarm system they have alarm
00:47:30
system but it seems like that was not a common practice for the Ramseys it would
00:47:35
have been at one time the problem was or it's been reported as such they're having two little kids in the home the
00:47:44
children were constantly setting off the security system which created all these
00:47:49
false alarms and anybody that has a security system knows that those false alarms they start to come with fines
00:47:57
that can get fairly fairly steep right fairly quickly from law enforcement now we move on to
00:48:07
December 26th captain sometime around midnight neighbor Scott Gibbons says he looked out his kitchen window
00:48:16
toward the Ramsey residence and observed that the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low again another one of
00:48:24
those things it could mean something it could mean nothing at all now the whereabouts of John Andrew
00:48:32
Ramsey this is John's son from his first marriage his whereabouts will come into
00:48:39
question so it is important for us to note here that between midnight and 1:00 a.m. at least three people put him at
00:48:47
the home of Lucinda Johnson in Marietta Georgia later he is at another home again in Georgia just to be perfectly
00:48:56
clear here captain these sightings these alibis for John Andrew Ramsey are 100% confirmed right yeah they were actually
00:49:07
cleared by the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people in this case so
00:49:12
for them to clear him that that's important and we have confirmation of people being with John Andrew Ramsey up
00:49:19
until 8:30 6:00 a.m. at 1:00 a.m. neighbors Andrew Vermeer and Luke Vermeer they went to bed this is after
00:49:30
watching movies they say that before they went to bed all the way up to 1:00 a.m. they did not hear anything unusual
00:49:37
they didn't see anything unusual everything was typical for that time of night mm-hmm
00:49:44
according to Boulder detective Steve Thomas neighbor melody Stanton says she heard a scream between midnight and 2:00
00:49:54
a.m. this seems quite interesting to me but I do want to take this a step further and point out that this same
00:50:03
woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she had nothing to offer she did not want to get
00:50:11
involved then later she claims that she heard a scream between the midnight hour and
00:50:17
approximately 2:00 a.m. yeah I heard what I heard about these screams is that they heard some screams multiple screams
00:50:26
none just one but they heard multiple screams and thought okay well surely the the parents of this girl are home
00:50:34
because they she thought the screams were from a little girl that the parents are home and they'll take care of this
00:50:41
and that's why they stopped hearing the screams also around 2:00 a.m. I want to point out that the whites regarding the
00:50:48
activity at their friends fleet and priscilla white everyone including their guests are reported to have gone to bed
00:50:56
by 2:00 a.m. at 5:30 a.m. John Ramsey wakes up the family plans to get up early that morning because they were to
00:51:05
fly to Charlevoix Michigan for a family vacation Patsy Ramsey got up quote a few
00:51:12
minutes later while mr. Ramsey took a shower mrs. Ramsey put back on the same outfit she had on the night before she
00:51:20
put on some makeup and she went down to the second floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen now there's
00:51:30
two different versions of this story there is one that states that she went to check on Jon Benet on her way
00:51:37
downstairs and Jon Benet was not there right the other story says that she went she attempted to go straight down to the
00:51:46
ground level floor now either way there on the spiral stairs she found on a step
00:51:56
near the bottom of these stairs she discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side-by-side
00:52:04
they indicated that Jon Benet had been kidnapped Patsy Ramsey told detective aren't that she found a note at the
00:52:12
bottom of the staircase at approximately 5:45 a.m. she says she read only a few lines
00:52:19
stating that Jon Benet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed in demanding 118 thousand dollars for her return
00:52:27
mrs. Ramsay immediately screamed and then ran to check JonBenet's room which she found to be empty
00:52:35
after hearing mrs. Ramsay scream John Ramsay ran downstairs and met Patsy Ramsey in the stairwell together they
00:52:45
checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room John Ramsey then went downstairs to read the ransom note
00:52:53
he told Patsy to call the police at 5:00 [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause]
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Episode Highlights

  • Introducing the Jeffrey Epstein Podcast
    A new podcast from CNN hosted by Vicki Ward explores the life of Jeffrey Epstein.
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    December 04, 2019
  • JonBenet Ramsey's Tragic Story
    Discover the life of JonBenet Ramsey, a six-year-old murder victim whose case shocked the nation.
    @ 01m 24s
    December 04, 2019
  • The Ramsey Family's Christmas Party
    On December 23rd, the Ramseys hosted a Christmas party with alarming events surrounding it.
    @ 21m 00s
    December 04, 2019
  • BetterHelp Counseling Services
    Get matched with licensed professional counselors in a safe online environment.
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    @ 27m 19s
    December 04, 2019
  • Citra Noel Hoppy Holiday Ale
    A strong ale perfect for holiday celebrations, rated 4.25 out of 5.
    “Strong enough for even the best holiday parties!”
    @ 28m 17s
    December 04, 2019
  • JonBenet's Secret Santa Visit
    JonBenet mentioned a secret visit from Santa, a detail that resonates deeply.
    “This is going to be a secret visit after Christmas.”
    @ 31m 37s
    December 04, 2019
  • The Ramsey Household's Messy Reality
    Despite having help, the Ramsey house was often in disarray.
    “The house was always in a mess.”
    @ 40m 19s
    December 04, 2019
  • John Andrew Ramsey's Alibi
    John Andrew Ramsey's whereabouts are confirmed by multiple witnesses, clearing him in the investigation.
    “They were actually cleared by the police, which they haven't cleared a lot of people.”
    @ 49m 07s
    December 04, 2019
  • The Ransom Note Discovery
    Patsy Ramsey finds a handwritten note indicating JonBenet has been kidnapped, demanding $118,000 for her return.
    “Mrs. Ramsey immediately screamed and then ran to check JonBenet's room which she found to be empty.”
    @ 52m 30s
    December 04, 2019

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  • This is going to be a secret visit after Christmas.
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  • Kids fall asleep in the car; you don't want to wake them up.
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  • They were actually cleared by the police, which they haven't cleared a lot of people.
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  • Christmas Party Incident21:00
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  • Holiday Ale28:17
  • Messy Household40:19
  • Screams Heard50:20
  • Ransom Note Found52:30

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