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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] all right and we're back and and we're here so I always love it
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when somebody sends me a text message have you seen this documentary have you read this book
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mhm as if uh we have enough time to do that every week but this one was what do you think
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of Jennifer duus d u l o s o s yeah and I I had no clue what they're talking about well this is going on in
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another country right no oh sorry no it's going on in Connecticut oh maybe that's a different country for some
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people but um but here's where it caught my attention so little background it's a
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mother of five from Stanford Connecticut she went missing May 24th so pretty recent right okay
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and but the reason why it's making more headlines is because there's a lot going
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on here a lot to unpack and one of the things so she was taking her kids to school she dropped her kids off at
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school and and then she goes missing nobody's seen from her heard from her nothing her AR strange husband so I
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believe at the time she was living in an apartment and her husband was living at
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the house their house mhm and so he's the strange husband and he has a girlfriend uh her name is Michelle I'm
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not even going to try to get her last name correct okay his name is fuus fuus duus right so old fuus and his
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girlfriend Michelle they were actually arrested for tampering with evidence now oh wait I've seen this on TV yeah so
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yeah this is big headlines why why did I think it was some other country I have this I don't know I brought up an
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article on it I'm not in your head and they kept referencing a water ski and wakeboard
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Federation in Athens Greece released a statement Sunday night through Fus dulus divorce
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attorney so does he have a second home in Greece or or is this just something that he is a part of this water ski
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wakeboard Federation yeah I don't know I I don't know that that part is confusing
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go on sorry go get back into the non-confusing part okay normally I'm the confusing part uh to today you'll be the
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confusing part so fuus and Michelle they were arrested and the reason why was they were spotted around dumpsters and
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storm drains uh depositing items now when they collected these items and it's not very clear on what the items are I I
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did see one report saying or maybe it was multiple reports saying that one of the items was a bloody sponge and but
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the items that they collected had Jennifer's blood on them h so that's pretty damning evidence but
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also in this report I saw that there's only been roughly 400 cases murder cases that have actually gone to
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trial without a body mhm yeah it's uncommon so and then the percentage of actually convicting somebody of that is
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very small which is actually kind of funny because one of the detectives that we know I was having drinks with and
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they actually had a case that they didn't have a body they brought it to trial and got the conviction mhm so that
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was interesting to you know within the last week to hear that and then to to be uh diving into this Jennifer douas case
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so she goes missing like I said not much longer the husband and the girlfriend were
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found depositing these items that have Jennifer's blood on them so they arrest him uh and they're arrested for
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tampering with evidence and that's kind of where it sit and and that that's basically
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it until his lawyer comes out with this new hypothesis and they're calling it The
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Gone Girl hypothesis and if anybody has ever watched Gone Girl the whole idea is that
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she basically fakes uh a murder scene her own murder her her own murder um but kind of the evidence is
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going to point that she was murdered and that the husband did it she goes missing
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on her own and then eventually pops back up and so they're saying that we don't know where her body is we don't
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know if she's dead or alive so they're kind of going off this idea of well we're going to we really think that
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there is some weight to this girl Gone Girl hypothesis now the author of Gone Girl is actually extremely pissed off
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about this rightfully so I guess or I don't even know if it's rightfully so um I kind of question this it's like well
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my my thought would be that that her thinking is oh [ __ ] somebody's going to use this as a defense and she might have
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been following this case and feel like they arrested the right people and she's probably just upset that they're going
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to use her fictional story as a defense and maybe these murderers or a murderer and somebody that participated in
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getting rid of the evidence and getting rid of the body might get off scott because of of her good story that she
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put together and that she told yeah and this is an interesting story because it was one of the with Gone
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Girl I it was one of the times where it was kind of a big deal I remember the book being a big deal and then the movie
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was coming out and thinking well I should let me let me read this book so I read the book before I watched the movie
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but by I thought it was a good book I wasn't like Blown Away by it but a lot of my female friends loved it more than
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I did and they really actually loved the the wife's character mhm being just so evil and
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so basically you know she was a psychopath basically right and and they really enjoyed that and there was you
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know some twists and turns in the stories but but I always thought it was interesting how much you know if I
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talked to a guy that read it it was kind of the same thing that I got it's pretty
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good but I knew several female friends of mine that really liked it movie came out didn't watch it for a very long time
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it was probably years after I think I actually watched it when it was on TV one day so that shows you kind of how
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long it it wasn't like on Netflix or anything it was like on like TBS one day but
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um I was also pretty shocked that the book and the movie are very close because my whole thing was like let me
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let me read this book and then I'll watch the movie because I haven't I haven't done that too many times in my
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life and you always hear the book is way better than the movie but this was um an
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interesting case because the book and the movie are very similar there's not MH a bunch of differences you know or or
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you know you know it I think she kind of wrote the book knowing hey this could be
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turned into a movie and we don't have you know let me write the book this way um Jillian Flynn right right uh she did
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sharp objects right yeah yeah she did sharp objects that was uh uh based out of another
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country right yeah Connecticut the continent of Connecticut right the great continent of Connecticut um so
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okay so but here's here's where it becomes a little more interesting because I thought okay well maybe this
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lawyer is just a douchebag right and he's just coming up with this nonsense Theory to kind of tamper with the jury
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mhm so this is some of the stuff I have issues with so their lawyer says that Jennifer has
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went missing before and that she went missing for years using a fake name um after she had a dispute over
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money okay this is what they claimed what the family claims is yes she she didn't go missing but she went
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to Aspen and she went to LA to write a book under her pin name Jennifer for Bay so it's kind of a half-truth story
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that the lawyer is telling but yeah but we don't see it's not like she went and got a
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driver's license with using that name right it just it just seems like she was going to write a book using a pen name
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which is not such a strange thing we we talked about that just two weeks ago with with uh one of the great True Crime
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writers of all time an rule used a pen name Stephen King used a pen name at one time it's not terribly uncommon what was
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his pen name oh I don't it was so long ago we're talking about Stephen Queen books that he put out probably in the
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70s I think he I think he put them out under and I'm guessing here I think he put them out under the pen name because
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at one time he was an English teacher and I think he was still teaching at the early stages of his writing career right
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and he probably didn't want you know parents or the community going whoa this guy's writing some crazy [ __ ] that's
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scaring people real bad uh maybe I don't want him teaching my teenage daughter or
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teenage boy something like that yeah similar to why I became the captain um so here's where it gets a
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little here's a little twist in the story though is now it's been reported two different ways I heard that Jennifer
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wrote a a novel I think the the lawyer is claiming Fu's lawyer is claiming that she wrote a a
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novel a very quote unquote very dark novel that was similar to Gone Girl and then I also saw reports that it it was a
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500 page manuscript now I don't know what the difference is between a manuscript and a
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novel you know what I mean like I couldn't tell you I'm not in that Circle so I don't know if it I also don't know
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the difference between a movie and a film there right there I think some people just call them films to sound uh
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well I think to me when I think movie and film I I've heard like um film critics or film Buffs say like a movie
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is something that you watch and you go ah that was all right you know it was okay it wasn't it needs to be a little
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more epic you know where Star Wars is a film it's like a masterpiece yeah but uh
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or like you know some art film but then you have you know like um it's like the difference between going
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to the grocery store and buying a steak and ordering butcher box same difference maybe it's the same
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difference between Connecticut the state and the Connecticut the great continent
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of conut great yeah so no but it's like uh I think uh some people would say like
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like a John Hughes movie cuz they were just meant to be kind of light-hearted you know and than
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other PE you know I don't know film anyways manuscript so I don't know it doesn't say screenplay so I don't
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think it was going to be adapted to TV or whatever but supposedly that Jennifer uh duus the mother of five that's
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missing since May 25th she wrote a manuscript of about 500 pages that is very similar to gun girl uh they also
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claim that Jennifer had about $14,000 worth of medical bills and these food is's lawyer is saying that these
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are unexplained they don't know what these are and so I think he probably got a little
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criticism of why they they're coming up with this gun girl hypothesis and and then so he laid out
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here's a couple of the reasons why the fact of the matter is that your client food is and his girlfriend Michelle were
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found in multiple spots disposing of items that have jenifer's blood on it now if that never happened maybe this
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gun girl hypothesis makes a little more sense the other one and I think this is really going to be the Smoking Gun and
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all of it and I don't know if the detectives did their du diligence but food's blood was found mixed with
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Jennifer's blood on uh basically inside the kitchen sink um and I've heard this multiple
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I've heard this multiple ways because it's so blank uh you know a blanket statement of
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just blood mixtured with Jennifer's blood in the kitchen sink I've heard this is you know they found this in the
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kitchen drain also heard that they found this on the faucet like on the uh right
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around where the water comes out my question is is did the did the detectives do their due diligence and
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did Fus ever claim to have been in her apartment because if he at some point stated that he's never been a part of
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her you know in her apartment then you know um I think that's a big Smoking Gun it
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was found in her apartment not his her her apartment he from everything that I can tell it seems like he's still living
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in the family's home and what was kind of very odd about this is there's there's
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a there's a picture of foodist where he has a kind of a scruffy beard not not a big beard but just kind of a little more
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than a day Scruff mhm and he kind of you know resembles Ben afflac with which played the husband and Gone Girl he yeah
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it's a similar Vibe so when they showed a picture of that I went um yeah that's similar oh the you know the family
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claims that that this this lady was basically ingenious when it came to the creative so it's one of those scenes
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where it's like is this just some douchebag claim or or is there some weight to this and
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that's where I think I again I think we have two points of evidence that point to that this is
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probably not likely going to be the outcome and if I had to bet I'd bet this is not going to be the outcome this is
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just some bad slash clever defense it's very similar to like a Casey Anthony well we'll just throw out all
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these other theories and that'll just distract everybody from the truth right and then you'll just get off because of
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that I'm with you I think it's a slightly clever defense to get out in front of this thing by his defense
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attorney and say look this we might have a Gone Girl situation here because without the body right the reason why
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they they so few of these cases go to court without the body is is just the simple fact that the the First Defense
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that they're going to go to and present is we're here having a murder trial we have no body we don't even know if the
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victim is dead right so what are we doing here having a murder trial and that can be tough for some juries to get
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over especially if there's not a whole lot of concrete evidence to point to the fact that a murder has been committed or
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that the victim that we are at trial proceedings for is actually in fact dead well and you're supposed to the the
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person gets off if there's some Reasonable Doubt well if you don't have a body well there's a reasonable doubt
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right so usually you see these things go to court and be successful when they have something else that would suggest
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that the person is in fact dead the number one thing that I've seen is that it's blood so if they find like a large
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amount of somebody's blood they'll go they'll bring in doctors that say nobody could have lost this amount of blood and
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survived so we have to go forward with the person is in fact dead and we just don't have their body
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yeah I don't know if we have that in this case they do have some blood as you were poting pointing out and I don't
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know how much it is there it does say there was blood spat found in her garage of that was her blood yeah and then the
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article I found the confusing one about the Greek uh water skiing Federation or whatever they're also pointing out that
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that his blood is mixed with her blood on found on her faucet yeah at her sink and like you said they they very well
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and probably I shouldn't say very well I would be incredibly shocked if they didn't pull the drains and pull some of
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the piping from her apartment you know looking for that blood usually that's a go-to when they think like okay somebody
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just did a really good job getting rid of the body right that's a place that's very hard to get rid of that evidence
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and often is overlooked by the killer who's trying to cover their tracks yeah and I think if they went after that
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information or they were diving into that as aspect law enforcement's not going to come out and and show their
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hand on if they've done that and if theyve received more evidence or not um again if he's made statements that he
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was never in the apartment then then he's in big trouble yeah you know not so good but um but then Factor this in too
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here's where you have to if you can't find her remains you have to take it the next
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step and ask the jury to make the leap of Faith with you and that leap of faith is is quite simply
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this one even if he does say that he's been in her apartment how low is the prop probability that that
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her blood and his blood were both applied to that faucet at such a a a near point in time that they actually
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mixed right you know that that seems very tough to Lin that away and there is um Michelle
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the girlfriend of fuus um I know there's no contact order and stuff like that so I wonder if her
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lawyer is setting up to um separate and Conquer you know let me separate my client from this individual if she had
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anything to do with it chances are she can give us more information and therefore we can get um a conviction and
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she'll probably have to do some time could have been could have been terms of her bail though too because
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aren't they both out on bail they're both on bail now and and and the judge may have said look what what what we're
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pretty convinced that you have done is you work together to hide evidence of some other crime right and
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therefore we can't have both of you out and continuing to work together to build
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your defense that this is going to have to be stipulations of your bail and I I don't know for certain that this is how
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it went down or if it's even a possibility but my guess is you know they can put stipulations on you're not
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allowed to leave the county you're not allowed to leave this certain area both of them are have monitors on yeah but
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but yeah what I what I I don't know if I heard this or if I read this but I want
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to say though that it was her lawyers doing of this guy cannot contact you um which
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again makes me feel like they're going to divide and conquer which good we'll get more more
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answers but yes there are some similarities and at some point he was doing an interview in his house and it's
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like if you watch Gone Girl that's the whole big thing is he has to go on TV and do an interview right and
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um and so you see those similarities and then you see the similarities of you know he had a
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girlfriend and and all that stuff but there's also a lot of differences you know the the main
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character gong girl the the the wife that went missing didn't have five children
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so uh was not um going through a divorce hearing was not going through a custody
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hearing and that's also a weird thing cuz they keep having these custody carings even though she's not showing up
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so I don't know if that's a way if if they if law enforcement or the courts think May or I don't know maybe that's
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just the the rules that we just have to keep going but it's like this person's missing you know why are we still having
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these custody battles and so I think that's I think that's another thing that comes into play I also think I'm not for
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certain but I think when she went to when Jennifer went away to right and she went to Colorado and she went to Los
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Angeles that I don't think she had kids at the time so you know it's one thing to go you
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know backpacking in Europe or Australia when you're 18 with no responsibilities and no kids and maybe you didn't even
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tell too many people about it and you're gone for a year that's a lot different than and than somebody going missing or
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going backpacking in in Australia for a year and not tell anybody when you have five kids
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so I see some of the similarities I think the thing about the the Jillian Flynn thing
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is that her that what she came up with in her book yes it's fiction but I think it's also based off
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of a lot of reality a lot of the storyline like I said at some point a lot of that
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stuff was based off of or Loosely based off of Scott Peterson and she even said that she used similar things um in her
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story as the Scott Pearson case so that's where it's like that she's appalled that they would
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even bring this up it's like well so much of your story is based off actual reality you know what I mean so it's
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like maybe you should I think that was the the the interesting thing but I think the fact that she U that Jillian
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Flynn actually responded and said something it actually puts more eyeballs on the case puts more ears on the case
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and that's good because we have a missing person and maybe somebody saw something uh they also have surveillance
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footage I believe of um uh Jennifer's apartment where they they have two individuals on surveillance around her
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her apartment so if we can I mean that we shouldn't just assume that that's uh foodis and his girlfriend
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but it wouldn't surprise me if it was obviously uh I mean cuz then that's pretty damn in you
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have two individuals on the surveillance at her apartment you have blood evidence
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a mixture inside her apartment in her faucet does he claim that he was ever in there we have blood
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splatter possibly more evidence in the garage that they're telling that they're not telling us about it almost seems
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like from the wording of this article not the wording of of the actual Detectives involved cuz I don't know I
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don't know how sometimes these things get they can get misconstrued and they're not quoting investigators here
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but it seems like they may believe that the assault or the murder took place in that garage is
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is that's the way I read it when I'm reading this this article here right and they do go on to say that
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per so fotus has been ban from seeing his children and this is one of the stipulations of his of his bail of being
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allowed to walk around a free man for now yeah the other the other weird thing was they kept on showing clips of of
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gong girl and there's the kind of famous scene where the wife is setting up the scene to make it look
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like she was murdered in the kitchen and she's basically Tak taking blood of hers
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and like putting it all over the kitchen floor mhm and then like rolling in it and very um psychotic type scene but uh
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as they're showing the scene it's kind of a upscale new type kitchen right mhm and
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then they cut to the interview with foodish and his kitchen looks very similar where I was like oh that's
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that's odd that's creepy um even though obviously it's just a modern modern kitchen but anyways it's interesting I
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think they have a lot on him on this foodish individual it's very sad that we have a mother of five that went missing
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and somebody that was extremely talented and extremely smart so um not a lot I don't think there's
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enough to even probably cover this but um it's in the papers it's fascinating and and I'll be following it and
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hopefully we get some kind of you know good result I mean Heck on some level you kind of hope for this
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ridiculous Theory to almost be correct mhm you know that maybe she just you know because of the divorce because of
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the custody battle because of the kids because of all this stuff happening that this lady just needed to take a break
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and that she's going to come back and and and just say I needed a break for a minute
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and and that would be the the best outcome I just don't think the evidence points to that well according to my good
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friend Webster the major difference between a manuscript and a book is that the manuscript is yet to have been
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published so that seems to be the major deciding factor when one were to deem something a manuscript rather than a
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book well not to sounds um you know like that I believe in this Theory too much but when they talked
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about that she wrote this thing I started thinking well gun girl was this bestseller
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right lady goes missing her Str uh strange husband's arrested it becomes at least a local
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story then the you I mean obviously you don't know that they're going to apply this Gone Girl Theory but if you wrote a
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book that's so similar that the that the husband brings it up and now this gets National World attention if this book
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was published I know a lot of people that would go out and want to read it so therefore being by going missing
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you're actually um promoting some work that you did and and that that leads more to the theory too but if you're
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saying well manuscript just means it's not published well then that kind of goes blows that theory out of the water
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I I would be shocked if she were found alive I would be shocked if there's I don't know how
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it will work when it does finally go to court right um because it it actually looks to me
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here um at this point they're they're not technically charging him with murder right they they got other charges that
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they're going to push forward right and they're going to they're going to win on
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those I think so yeah um and I think they're really just trying to put some heat heat to the feet of fuus right and
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the and the Michelle woman yeah because you you got to think that at some point if you crank up the fire hot enough one
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of them might turn on the other if in fact they both are fully aware of what actually took place yeah and it seems to
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me like you can put him there at the scene and again I just go back to the the incredibly low probability that his
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blood and her blood is applied to the same item inside her apartment and applied within such a short time frame
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that the blood is is referred to as mixed right but to have sponges and I don't know what else they found but they
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found multiple items when you find sponges and you're dumping stuff and and dumpsters and and storm
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drains um that's the that's all the evidence I need to to feel like this a this is not going
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to turn out well and and then you kind of go well I wish this theory was true and I wish should come back the evidence
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is just pointing in a different direction [Music] [Applause]