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garage and this is the case of Beverly [Music] pots [Music] Beverly Rose pots age 10 years old height 4' 11 and
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weight about 90 lb classification endangered missing missing since August 24th 1951
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from Cleveland Ohio Beverly is a Caucasian female with blonde hair and blue eyes she had her haircut as a short bob
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with bangs she was wearing blue denim jeans and a reddish pink turtle neck Jersey with a navy blue Poppin jacket
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and brown Cary Brook sports shoes loafers the last confirmed sighting of Beverly was at 9:30 p.m. at hollerin
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Park she was last seen walking in the direction of her home Beverly Rose pots age 10 years old
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height 4' 11 and weight about 90 lb classification endangered missing missing since August 24th 1951
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from Cleveland Ohio this is true crime garage [Music] and this is the case of Beverly
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[Music] [Music] pots this is Friday August 24th 1951 Beverly Potts is 10 years old and she's
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living with her mom dad and sister on Lynette Avenue in Cleveland Ohio now this is on the west side of Cleveland
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and it's summertime so Beverly she is enjoying the last few weeks of her summer break before she returns to
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school she was due to enter the fifth grade that year Beverly is quite excited about the weekend she has already had
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some plans scheduled she's planned to go with her sister and mother and father on
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Saturday Beverly's sister lived as we said at the home with the family but she was quite a bit older than bever Beverly
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Beverly's sister Anita was 22 years old at the time and the two of them lived with the parents and they were going to
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go to ukd beach park for an all day outing on that Saturday so that's like a 12E difference so she's she's probably
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like an accidental baby possibly possibly but to add to her excitement that Friday afternoon Beverly had
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learned that the Show Wagon was coming to nearby hollerin park now the Show Wagon is sponsored by the Recreation
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League and the Cleveland press and it was a kind of a summer tradition the Show Wagon was a group of singers
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dancers M musicians musicians and magicians I kind of just rolled those words together he made up a new word and
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other performers that traveled around to Cleveland uh to the different neighborhoods in Cleveland in the summer
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months doing free performances at local playgrounds and other public venues so it's kind of like an arts festival type
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thing yeah and this had become one of Beverly's favorite summertime activities now on this Friday Beverly was excited
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of course uh but she was also a little bit nervous because she was going to need to ask permission to go to this
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performance and she was currently in trouble with her parents her mother had grounded her from going to hollerin park
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for two weeks because she had went there earlier and she had stayed out much later than she was allowed to uh but
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even though she was grounded her mother is going to let her go see the show and Beverly is going to go with her best
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friend and next neighbor Patricia swing well this is around the time uh I mean even in the 80s was kind of a thing so
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I'm assuming this was kind of the same thing in the 50s where your parents would say yeah go out with your friends
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ride your bikes do whatever you got to do but hey when the street lights come on get home or even before that once you
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start seeing that that it's getting dark get home and not only for you know for the teenagers but for some of the
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younger kids as well this is also kind of a social event right because you go there and there's going to be other kids
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your age you haven't seen some of those kids because of the summer break you catch up with them you say hi maybe you
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hope to see the the boy or the girl that you like or you know some friends that you haven't seen all summer long uh
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after dinner Beverly is helping her mother clean up and dry the dishes and for her efforts her mother Elizabeth
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gives Beverly and nickel for helping out around 700 p.m. Beverly and Patricia leave to go off to the park to see the
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show wagon now they leave their homes on their bikes and Hollin Park is only about an eigh of a mile from their homes
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on Lynette Avenue Hollin Park stretches for about three blocks from West 117th to West 120th Avenue yeah but when
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you're like 10 years old 12 years old 15 you know all that stuff before you can drive your bike is a big deal I mean
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that's your that's your means of transportation right so this is a the the park itself is a 133 acre Civic
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recreational area with baseball diamonds basketball courts uh trapes bars and a shelter house uh the park was named for
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William hollerin who was a sailor that was killed on the USS Arizona and at uh Pearl Harbor I I captain so the girls
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leave for the park on their bikes uh but it's estimated that there were about 1,500 people at the park that evening so
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the girls want to get off their bik and get a good spot so they can see the performance well they decide that it's
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going to be very difficult to watch the performance and all the while keeping an
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eye on their bicycles so they go home and they leave their bikes and return to Hollen Hollin Park on foot they arrive
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at the park around 8:00 p.m. uh Patricia would later report that the two young girls didn't really talk to very many
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people while they were there so this this was something they thought might be a social event and it didn't turn out to
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be very social for them they arrived at 8:00 p.m. now around 8:40 p.m. it's starting to get dark out and Patricia is
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trying to get Beverly to leave and go home as Patricia is supposed to be home by dark like the captain said make sure
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you're home by dark uh it's starting to get dark and she wants to leave but Beverly informs her that uh she has been
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given permission to stay until the performance is over I'm guessing her parents probably didn't know exactly how
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late this would go because we're talking about two young girls that are you know
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roughly 10 years old yeah it sounds like bever Beverly is trying to stay out on a
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technicality yeah and she's already gotten in trouble for doing this once so maybe maybe this is something she's
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pretty good at uh but she she tells Patricia you know I'm allowed to stay until until this whole thing's over uh
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so Patricia leaves you know she doesn't want to get in trouble with her parents she decides to go home leaving her
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friend to enjoy the show wagon performance by herself Patricia stared uh started walking home and her last
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memory of Beverly is of her standing there watching the show with a plump little woman this is the young girl's
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words the plum a plump little woman standing behind her with one hand on her shoulder and the other holding a small
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child uh you know I got to cut in here for a second because I always found this to be you to
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cut in on yourself I'm going to cut in I got to interrupt myself interrup myself
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I always found this to be weird because they they said that they didn't talk to I always found you weird talk to hardly
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anybody while they were there MH and yet she sees this woman standing behind her
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friend with with the hand on the shoulder so this must be somebody she knows or feels comfortable with and the
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plump little woman is holding a small child in the other hand it always intrigued me that that this was somebody
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that Patricia says she didn't speak to and she didn't recognize obviously didn't know the person's name if she's
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just giving a description of the woman but but is it clear that I mean you say the hand is on a shoulder he didn't say
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the hand is on Beverly's shoulder that's what that's what it sounds like from Patricia's account that the woman had
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her hand on Beverly's shoulder yeah that's odd mhm H again seeing how they didn't supposedly talk to anybody that
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evening uh Beverly's family they are at home as we said an eighth of a mile away
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uh Patricia arrives home safely she's the next door neighbor she arrives home safely at 900 p.m. and she never sees
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her friend Beverly again after that now the the family is is watching this is Beverly's family they're at home uh all
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of them it's the Father Robert Mother Elizabeth and the older sister Anita they are at home watching the Indians
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Yankees game uh this is I would imagine this is probably what a lot of people what a lot of the grown-ups were doing
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that evening because uh we know how big baseball is in Cleveland and we we all know how much the clevelanders dislike
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the New York Yankees um and I think they were in a pretty heated race that year I
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wonder if they're actually watching or if they were actually just listening to it on the radio well they were watching
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it cuz uh you know TVs were relatively new at the time so I imagine most the people that had a TV at the time would
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have been at home watching this game on that evening uh it's around 9:30 and they're starting
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to get nervous because they've not seen Beverly she's not returned so they have Anita Anita the older sister calls the
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swing household and ask about Beverly and and she's told you know yeah uh Patricia came home but she came home
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alone and she's been here for you know a little over half an hour now um and we don't know where Beverly is now now well
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here here's what's weird too is if they rode their bikes there first and then they then they went back to Beverly's
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house right to drop off the bikes so then her her friend doesn't go back and pick up her bike she just walks home
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well they live next door so presumably they they just went home and returned their bikes to their houses and then
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left immediately I wasn't clear on that okay yeah I yeah I said they were neighbors but they were actually next
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door neighbors right so they're they're also kind of friends by proximity right yeah age and
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proximity um this raises the alarm Okay because now now their daughter's not home but they're extremely worried
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because now they know that she's probably alone and that her friend you know strength and numbers right is is
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now returned home and Beverly's not there so Mr Potts uh decides he's going to go to the park and he's going to look
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for his daughter and he would gather up a couple neighbors to go to the park with him as we said this park is roughly
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13 acres so it's it's fairly decent size and it's dark out now and I've I've also
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read some descriptions of the neighborhood stating that they had several large trees like lots of large
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trees on the streets of these neighborhoods so even though they had street lights they said that the the
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park and the streets themselves were particularly dark because those trees covered up a lot of the lighting yeah
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you'll see that noways when they build like a new Housing Development like it seems pretty bright and you can see
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everything because the trees aren't mature yet and then once that neighborhood becomes mature you realize
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wow this really gets a lot darker than than it it once was yeah yeah so they Mr pots and some of the neighbors they
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search the park uh looking for Beverly and after searching for about an hour or so they call the police so we have
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things happening at a very quick Pace here uh um you know we have the the girls arrive at the park around 8
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Patricia leaves around 8:40 she's at home close to 9:00 9:30 the family realizes that Beverly's not where she
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should be and within an hour of 9:30 the father along with a few other people have searched the park and they've
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called the police and the police are quick to respond so now we have this 10-year-old you know that went missing
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she just went to this event her parents can't find her so they go looking for her they get the police involved and now
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we got to start figuring out all the little details and they start normally by you know the description of the
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individual yeah typically they're going to want want the parents to tell them as
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much as they can about the child what they were last seen wearing what they left the house and well and the fact
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that you know she just left the house a little bit ago so it's not like she left
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for school in the morning and we haven't seen her since what was she wearing I can't remember I mean she left the house
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you know under two hours ago and we gave a description of of her in the trailer but there there's a little more detail
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to it so I'll go through that now um as we said she's 10 years old height and weight she's about 4' 11 90 pounds uh
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she's described as a Caucasian female with blonde hair blue eyes and she had recently cut her hair to a short bob
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with bangs uh shortly before The Disappearance now if you look up images of Beverly pots you will see the the
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typical image that comes up first is of her where she appears to be a little bit
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younger and she has long hair um and because these are black and white photos it appears that she has dark hair but
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her description clearly says blonde hair and then you'll see more recent photos of her with the the shorter haircut some
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of her distinguishing characteristics uh she has wide set eyes and gaps between her teeth and her upper and lower
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mullers have S silver fillings in them she has a vaccination scar on her upper left arm and a small scar over her left
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eyebrow and a kidney-shaped birth mark about 1 in long and 38 of an inch wide on her InStep now one thing that that is
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often described about uh Beverly when when you look up her case and look into her case is that she had a very
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distinctive walk um it's described as duck-like you know she kind of walked with her toes pointing outward and and
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this must have been very obvious to everyone because it's mentioned time and time again when they talk about her
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disappearance so she was opposite of the captain cuz the captain wed yeah nobody ever told me either so
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you never corrected it no uh as said she had that distinctive walk where she would walk with her toes pointed out out
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uh she was considered tall for her age at the time of her disappearance and now looking back uh you know they continue
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to give her description you know from time to time and one thing that they've included you know years afterward would
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be that they suspect she would have grown to be a tall adult uh her clothing and jewelry description at the time that
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she went missing she was believed to be wearing size 14 or 16 uh pants these were girls blue denim jeans uh with the
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side zipper um and a bright it says bright red cotton panties um with no tag an elastic around the waist but no
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elastic around the leg holes she was wearing green socks um a white cotton honey Lane under
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t-shirt uh with a tag a reddish pink turtleneck Jersey With No Label a navy blue Poppin jacket with No Label both
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Pockets torn size five or 5 A2 Brown Cary Brook sports shoes these are loafer style
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shoes uh which had been resold and healed uh she also had two metal hair clasp with a brown plast with brown
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plastic covers and a yellow gold ring this ring is similar to like a wedding ring and it has spaces for seven or
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eight small stones but the stones were all missing right so probably something that a family member had and they just
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handed to her and she was just happy to have that little ring as as a 10-year-old so I wonder if they knew all
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this information uh based on like I mean it is what 51 yeah right so you know the
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mom's probably laying out your clothes I mean that you kind of go through that as
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a child it's like you wake up and there's like an outfit laid out for you you know and then you turn 16 and you
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stop wearing those outfits well and you know when I first came across this case and looked into it I thought the
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description of her clothes was very strange because it's very specific I mean even town like it's a they're a
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little the no tag thing is weird did the mom pull out tags of things maybe that's
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I that's what I'm guessing because I found it strange that the the size of the pants were either 14 or 16 um but
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then we go into details whether we know what what clothing had tags and what didn't have a tag however when I got to
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thinking about it you know not every size 14 is the same 14 for ofss so she may have wore 14 ofes and of
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others but as said the no tag thing is a little bit weird and I always found it very strange that the bright red cotton
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panties were listed there but now like if the mom is helping her pick out outfits and I think that's probably
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exactly what was going on because Mr Potts he was a stage hand he he had a full-time job and Elizabeth pots his
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wife she was a stay-at home she was a homemaker stay at home mom yeah which is more common back then yeah so uh she
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probably had a very good idea of exactly what the girl was wearing because as the
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captain said she might have been responsible for setting these clothes out for Beverly in the morning time or
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uh you know she was probably up on the laundry you know what what's getting washed When and and when things are
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getting used and and making sure that her daughter is dressed appropriately so I do commend the parents for being able
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to provide such a detail description because sometimes when children go missing uh there are valuable minutes
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and hours lost because sometimes people don't have an upto-date picture of their
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child or they don't have a great idea of what the kid may have been wearing that
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day or you know these little details do matter and when you're trying to piece them together and provide the police
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with information you could lose valuable time here trying to recall these these things and and kind of asking others you
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know what was she wearing yeah and if you don't pay attention to what like you said what she wear what she's wearing
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when she left for this event and then you know she's wearing some jacket that they find later and and you you have is
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this her jacket I don't know I have no clue right and then that's where then you is this jacket a lead or not so yeah
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I mean it's very important kind of um mental checks of that stuff so that's a more indepth uh more detailed
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description of the items that she was wearing and her distinguishing characteristics and now we are on to the
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investigation for the disappearance of Beverly Rose pots now this would end up going down in history as one of the
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largest searches for a missing person in the Cleveland Ohio history within hours there are thousands of
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clevelanders there that are searching for this girl the postal carriers are given a description of Beverly and
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posters with her picture are going up on utility poles and windows all over the city yeah with that within hours but you
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know basically start the start of the next day ex she went missing at night exactly um now there were there were a
00:28:27
lot of eyewitnesses a lot of supposed eyewitnesses in this case as we had said there were about 1,500 people present at
00:28:36
the park that evening now unfortunately out of those 15,000 I'm sorry 1500 people out of those 1500 there were not
00:28:45
a lot that came forward with information to the police regarding having seen Beverly pots or know her whereabouts or
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if they had seen her with somebody else um so what what the police police end up
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doing is we had said this was um this was late August well school was starting for these children in September now the
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police don't know everybody that was in in attendance at the park that evening so one thing that they do is they start
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going to Beverly school when school starts up in September to interview a lot of the kids that were her age to
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find out if they were in fact at the park that evening and if they were if they had seen anything
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now they get a lot of stories from these kids yeah I mean I would I would assume
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this presents a problem this end because because first of all Cheers Cheers no but I think this would present
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a big problem because you're now asking kids to remember event that happened weeks ago mhm and whether they were
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there or not some people will just come forward because they want to be a part of the process and say that there were
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somewhere that they weren't at ever so right right well and picture these kids these are young kids that they're
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interviewing right Beverly was 10 years old yeah they're interviewing 9 10 11 year old kids and a lot of them had
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probably heard about this before they went back to school and they're young they don't really understand the
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situation and what's going on now as said there were thousands of clevelanders out looking for this girl
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so there's no way that they probably didn't hear about it uh and in fact a few days after uh her disappearance
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there was a a front page editorial that was entitled let's all help look for the missing child you know
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and so this was going on throughout the entire city everybody was aware of this now when they sit down and they start
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talking to these kids um they are finding out that you know these are kids and teenagers and
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the police figure out early into the goings on here that they need to be hesitant about some of the stories that
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they are hearing in fact a lot of these stories were they're hearing them and they're as they're writing them down and
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taking their notes they're going well this is not a likely story this everything I'm hearing right now
00:31:10
probably didn't happen um you know and in most of the cases these ended up being proven lies that they were hearing
00:31:18
from the children uh you know some of these kids they wanted they may have wanted the attention or some of them
00:31:24
wanted to be a part of the whole thing as we said this was a very big story and maybe not Flatout lies but just you know
00:31:33
misspeaking or you know or misremembering I mean I don't think the kids intentions were you know there was
00:31:40
no malice behind it no I agree but but you also have to keep in mind too maybe these kids you know were were you at a
00:31:50
park August 24th you know and you're you're 9 or 10 or 11 years old and being asked this a week or two later um kids
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don't remember where they were two weeks before and and on top of that you know did you see Beverly pots with anybody
00:32:06
have you seen Beverly pots since then maybe they don't know exactly who she is and then well she's a girl about your
00:32:12
age and she's about this height and then you know kids kids I think naturally want to be helpful well we have evidence
00:32:19
though I mean we have evidence that um Beverly went to this park often she was grounded before for from going to this
00:32:28
park and staying out too late so we can just assume that this is a park that's frequented by the children that live in
00:32:35
that area so did you see her at the park yes I did but was it that day maybe not
00:32:41
right right and again if they didn't know who she was and there going oh yeah I did see a little girl that night and I
00:32:47
maybe I was at the park that exact night that you're asking me about but there were 1500 people there there were a lot
00:32:53
of little girls there and at some point Beverly pots becomes the only important girl there that evening and did you see
00:33:00
her yes I saw a little girl and I saw her do this or that uh one of the eyewitnesses and we won't go through all
00:33:06
of them as we said there's so many that were just bad leads and unfortunately the police had to follow up on most of
00:33:12
them uh if they if they were unable to determine if it was a lie or or just a madeup story immediately but one of the
00:33:20
eyewitnesses was a 9-year-old girl she had said that she saw Beverly pots get into a green car with two boys in it now
00:33:28
this sounds like a good lead however no one else reported having seen this take place uh and the boys themselves could
00:33:37
not be identified by the eyewitness and she was not able to provide a decent description of the vehicle or the boys
00:33:45
themselves M uh but that gives you an example of of some of the eyewitness accounts that they were getting from the
00:33:51
school AG children now maybe the last person to see Beverly well other than you know her murderer or abductor as we
00:34:00
could probably assume by now uh was Fred Krauss now he's a 13-year-old boy and he
00:34:08
recalled seeing Beverly at around 9:30 okay this would have been after the show wagon performance had ended and
00:34:16
everybody was kind of leaving the park at this time and he said that he saw Beverly and he this is one account that
00:34:24
they believe to be true because he said some things you know details about this disappearance where he says you know I
00:34:32
well how did you know it was Beverly he said I knew it was her right away because she walked funny and and was
00:34:38
able to tell that it was her he was actually riding home on his bicycle from the park that night and he said that he
00:34:46
had um you know was coming down the street and she kind of jumped out of his way so he could continue on his bike now
00:34:54
he saw her this would have be been around 9:30 after the performance had ended and she was walking home alone and
00:35:02
the direction that he said she was heading would indicate to him and everybody else that she was in fact
00:35:08
heading home yeah and this park like we like we mentioned multiple times is it's
00:35:12
less than a mile it's 8 miles away from an e of a mile an eighth of a mile yeah okay so so really small window and then
00:35:22
he sees her at what distance I mean we could be talking that she was that she went missing basically blocks from her
00:35:29
house yeah and how many blocks I mean if he's you know it could have been one block from her house right that's what's
00:35:35
so crazy about a lot of Disappearing you know cases it's just you know one minute
00:35:42
they're there one minute they're gone and and the proximity to her house that's that's crazy and I believe his
00:35:48
account to be true because one he saw her within feet of her you know it wasn't from across the way and he's
00:35:55
roughly her age so he would know who she was and he he pointed out to the officers that he recogn he knew it was
00:36:02
her he knew it was her from behind he said when he come up on his bike he knew it was going to be her because she was
00:36:09
walking funny she had that that duck walk right and he's not saying I saw a girl he's saying I saw Beverly exactly
00:36:15
that's a big difference exactly now another thing that came into play here uh that was that was bad for the police
00:36:23
and bad for the investigation was two months after Beverly's disappearance a man called the family now I need to set
00:36:31
this up a little bit better here okay because the at the time of her disappearance they were receiving tips
00:36:38
and when I say they I mean the police and the pots family they're receiving tips that are being called into the
00:36:45
police station and to the pots family's household as well you'll see later on I mean this is 1951 so I don't know if
00:36:52
they tap the the Potts family house or not but that's something you'll see later I
00:36:58
mean if you think about the John Benet Ramsey case you know the girl goes missing then they set up they start
00:37:04
wiretapping the the house for any leads that might come in or some suspicious calls but yeah so and this is also 1951
00:37:13
where people's numbers are normally listed mhm and the cruel thing here is I'm going to fast forward past this this
00:37:20
incident for just a second but the cruel thing here is eventually the pots family
00:37:26
they were in the phone book and eventually they had to make their number unlisted right because they were
00:37:32
receiving harassing phone calls and uh menacing phone calls you know people taunting them at some point with
00:37:40
pranksters that's ridiculous this would take place I I think it might have been a year or so after The Disappearance
00:37:45
that they had to phone number I mean think about some sicko was just sitting there with their number deciding I got
00:37:54
this i got this prank to pull on the family and and it could have been anything what I mean what are you
00:37:58
thinking like you know like all I have her we want the ransom or all I saw her but I didn't see her I mean cuz there's
00:38:06
there's also that CA that that stuff happens too you know where a girl goes missing and some crazy loon that has no
00:38:14
freaking life is sitting there going well what if I call them and tell them I saw her mhm then I get to talk to
00:38:24
somebody you see what I'm saying oh yeah there's there's sickos out there well and and
00:38:29
you know there were there was a journalist and an investigator that I read about regarding this case
00:38:36
specifically that said that for some reason the disappearance of Beverly pots brought out every nut pot and nut
00:38:41
cracker cracker out of the woodwork uh because they were receiving nut cracker I think I yeah uh I said Nutcracker
00:38:50
earlier that's what that's it slipped in there um but they were receiving so many
00:38:55
calls and they estimate that they were receiving about a thousand phone calls a day between the pots household and the
00:39:01
police department now this makes it very hard to uh investigate this case um but
00:39:07
one such incident was this this was two months after The Disappearance as I said
00:39:12
a man had called the family and demanded a $25,000 ransom for the safe return of
00:39:19
Beverly pots okay and he said he said that we have your daughter and um that if we do not get the
00:39:27
$225,000 ransom we are going to Slit her throat so now a threat is made a ransom
00:39:34
is demanded and the way that this was to go down is that the family was to deliver they're not to involve the
00:39:41
police right they are to deliver Cas that's how it always goes down right don't if you tell the police we're going
00:39:49
to kill her that's normally what happens yeah I think that's pretty standard uh Ransom template yeah but how many times
00:39:56
do they to the parents then just call the the police yeah can can you imagine being in that situation to you know yeah
00:40:04
gut would say get the police involved I I think you know I don't know that I would Mel Gibson it and just is that the
00:40:10
Mel Gibson movie where he just does it on his own yeah but the that's the strange thing too I mean you know U
00:40:17
being a parent if you're you know if you're parent and you get this call and we have your daughter and and obviously
00:40:24
you want her home safe and you just want this here to be over with and don't contact the police I wouldn't there be
00:40:31
like I mean your gut instinct is okay let's call the police but isn't there part of you going what do these people
00:40:39
know and are they going to know I contacted the police and in how many cases was there a ransom apparent
00:40:47
contacted the police and then that ended up causing the death of the child right
00:40:52
you know and then and and then you know the regret that you'd F of that well presumably you know one would think that
00:41:00
the ransom is only as good as as the living uh you know person that I'm holding to to to give back in in in
00:41:08
favor for the money if if if I if I kill the the the victim or the hostage then I'm not going to receive my Ransom but I
00:41:17
see what you're saying these things get screwed up and they go wrong now the pots family did let the police know
00:41:23
about this Ransom that was called in okay and what they were told you know they were
00:41:28
told with the threat about the daughter's life but they were told to deliver $25,000 in cash to a specific address
00:41:38
that was not terribly far from their neighborhood now they involved the police which the park is not far from
00:41:45
the neighborhood so now you're making this connection where well this is now something that might be likely mhm now
00:41:52
the the pots family they lived in a in a decent area it was a reg middle class family but it's not one that you would
00:41:58
look at this family and assume that they got a bunch of money to just pay out for
00:42:03
have their child returned um what they end up doing is uh one of the detectives he dresses up uh like Mrs pots because
00:42:13
Mrs pot pots was the one that was told to deliv deliver the money right right so he puts on like this I don't know
00:42:20
like a trench coat or like a a fur coat you know something that that looks like a women's coat uh and he ties his hair
00:42:28
up you know with the well guys don't wear fur coats I well some of them do but this look like's coat Conor McGregor
00:42:37
Joe namoth they yeah these are three guys that like to wear fur coats uh and so he dressed himself up to appear to be
00:42:44
a woman now I've seen pictures of this man dressed I'm sorry to laugh but I've seen him dressed as a woman and he is
00:42:50
he's kind of a larger big hands athletic looking man uh that I don't know that he
00:42:57
would have passed for Elizabeth pots don't look at me I'm hideous well apparently whomever he was to deliver
00:43:04
the money to uh picked up on this and saw the detective coming yeah well when you see a guy that looks like a
00:43:12
linebacker and a fur coat you start going well I don't know I don't and if this person lived in the area then we
00:43:19
could also assume if this is a legitimate Ransom note a legitimate kidnapping that this person probably
00:43:27
knew of the pot's family and what the lady looked like the only thing that gets a little weird about this is like
00:43:35
we said she was a tall kid so maybe uh the mother was a tall lady herself but again she probably didn't look like a
00:43:42
linebacker right with sausage fingers you know giant sausage fingers coming at you and you're going wait a second well
00:43:48
and it turns out that this man that was seeking The Ransom he didn't actually live at the address that he was
00:43:53
requesting them to go to he gave them a specific date specific time to give the money hand it off to this person well
00:44:00
what's so crazy is you know criminals are normally stupid so I wouldn't it wouldn't baffle me or blow my mind if
00:44:06
you told me oh he actually lived there you know but you know but he yeah he did the the smarter thing as a criminal to
00:44:13
just give you some address you know so the detective dresses up like uh Mrs pots mhm and he they fill a bag um this
00:44:23
is to be the money bag that he's going to hand off they filled the bag with shredded newspaper and a five a single $
00:44:30
five bill which I'm not certain why they included any money at all but uh I don't
00:44:35
know maybe if they had to open up the bag and you want them to see some kind of money um but five bucks is as much
00:44:42
they could scrape together for this sting operation but you know being a banker you know you uh I was a vault
00:44:48
teller so what would happen is uh normally Tuesdays they'd come in with a big bag of money right and they drop off
00:44:55
the bag of money then I have to count all the money to make sure that we got the correct amount of money uh from that
00:45:01
the money service and you'd be surprised sometimes you'd just you know order hundreds and 50s and you know 10 grand
00:45:08
would look tiny you know or 100,000 could look just like a brick you know so in these movies where they open up a
00:45:16
suitcase and it's just filled you know and it looks like oh this is 100,000 bucks like I've seen 100,000 bucks and
00:45:23
depending on what denomination of money it comes in it can be quite small right and you start looking like that 100,000
00:45:30
you can slip in your pocket and maybe you know invest that into some recording equipment and start a podcast not saying
00:45:37
that happen I'm just saying that it's a possibility the man that is to receive the money he knows something is is going
00:45:46
on here when he sees the person that is supposed to be Elizabeth Potts walking toward the the address to give him the
00:45:55
money okay so I just I'm just making this clear for myself so the guy that is supposedly holding this girl for ransom
00:46:04
right is now suspicious of the linebacker in the fur coat right the linebacker with the sausage fingers in
00:46:10
the fur coat is now suspicious of the ransom guy because this girl that is walking with him that is supposed to
00:46:19
be Beverly no no no I think you mis misunderstood me it gets confusing because because I keep referring to the
00:46:27
the detective who's dressed as a woman as a she once in a while so there there is actually no she in this situation
00:46:34
okay the detective is supposed to be Elizabeth pots the mother because the ransom person did not want any males
00:46:41
around did not want Mr Potts delivering the money because Mr Potts might be able
00:46:46
to overtake him uh you know and take the guy down uh so he requests that Elizabeth Potts bring the money to this
00:46:53
address at this time on this date okay the detective dresses up as a woman right trying to look like Mrs pots M
00:47:03
he's going there with the bag of cut up newspaper in a $5 bill right and before he can get to the address the man that
00:47:11
is waiting there okay freaks out because the this does not look like a woman right he's a linebacker and so he takes
00:47:18
off on foot okay and what ends up happening is the detective ends up chasing the guy down and he he makes an
00:47:24
arrest yeah good for him they're able to figure out after talking to the guy and
00:47:29
going through the guy's home and his vehicles and things like that that this guy had nothing to do with the
00:47:35
disappearance of Beverly pots right just again a sicko getting involved and maybe
00:47:39
trying to go hey I got this great idea to get 25,000 bucks you're exactly right he was a guy that was heavily in debt he
00:47:46
saw what he thought of as an opportunity and he took that opportunity to try to extort money from parents of of a
00:47:54
missing child yeah um and of course he ends up getting you know they they should tack on years for that you're
00:48:01
exactly right Not only was your crime stupid mhm but you know you're now affecting a grieving family and a
00:48:09
grieving community and you're wasting taxpayers time and money by getting this linebacker to wear a fur coat and Chase
00:48:16
your ass down and Tackle you yeah we're going to tackle on three years yeah yeah
00:48:20
I mean you're you're preventing Justice from taking place because you're you're getting invol in the investigation and
00:48:27
you're taking up the police's time that they could be out you know they a thousand calls a day they had other
00:48:33
calls to go out on and this is a sting operation this isn't something that they just threw together in five minutes they
00:48:39
probably spent a little bit of time coming up with what is our best solution here do we actually send Elizabeth Potts
00:48:46
with $25,000 and just hope that she gets her daughter back or do we intervene um so he ends up getting
00:48:53
charged with extortion and um you know all kinds of other things I'm sure and I I hope that in this situation if they
00:49:00
don't currently they should as the captain says tack on extra years for for that kind of shameful behavior um but
00:49:08
this just shows you the things that the police had to deal with in this investigation yeah but one thing I do
00:49:16
want to bring up too here Captain is we talked about this Ransom now you know for all the other True Crime fans out
00:49:23
there the True Crime lovers that that spend their time reading and looking things up on the internet and reading
00:49:28
these different books or watching old documentaries you you know that back in the day and you know I'm referring to
00:49:35
the 30s 40s 50s back then it was more expected to receive a ransom that it is in current times you know unfortunately
00:49:45
in current times when we see a child or some or an adult go missing we either expect that they're going to turn up
00:49:52
soon or that they've they've were Tak and we might notar from them again um but back in the day they actually it was
00:50:01
more common place to receive a ransom and a lot probably a lot of them being false well you're you're on to something
00:50:09
there but a lot of them were in fact true you know a lot of people this is how some of the the poor folks made some
00:50:16
money you know that they they would be out and they would they would abduct a wealthy person's child and return them
00:50:23
unharmed and trade for 10 Grand or 20 grand or whatever it was that happened more often but just like the captain
00:50:30
said because sometimes that doesn't happen because sometimes people take another person for other reasons other
00:50:37
than a ransom that sometimes other people would just call in a ransom and hope to get something out of this
00:50:43
tragedy um usually in a situation though when a when a ransom is demanded it's usually fairly quickly after the
00:50:52
abduction you know it's not often that you see think police detec and using their
00:51:04
knowledge and they probably presumed that this was not uh may not end well and that might be why they didn't advise
00:51:13
the Potts family to actually pay the ransom maybe this is why they didn't advise Elizabeth Potts to go and hand
00:51:20
off the money herself um and that's why they intervened so we got this this just
00:51:25
kind of comes to the crash and we get this guy in jail now but do we have any other good leads that like anything
00:51:32
solid well another good bit of detective work that the police did was they did fully investigate the pots family um you
00:51:41
know as difficult as that can be but you do have to rule out the immediate family
00:51:48
as quick as possible so you can go on to other possible suspects well yeah but one we don't have a body right we don't
00:51:54
have a body and we have no we have three people at the house that it's it's not like again
00:52:01
I'm going to bring up the John B Ramy case but in that case we have a we have a dead girl why the family is all there
00:52:10
mhm so they become I think more Prime suspects than in this case yeah but the other thing I just want to make sure I
00:52:16
pointed that out too because often we will hear you know you see this on Dateline or other shows where they're
00:52:21
like you know this person went missing or or so and so turned up dead and uh by the way they didn't
00:52:29
investigate the family until months and months after the fact uh this was not the case here so there's no reason to
00:52:35
believe that U Mr pots or Mrs pots or her sister had anything to do with with this crime at all it's a difficult
00:52:43
situation for the cops to be in yeah you know because here's this girl going missing and it's tragic and there's a
00:52:50
lot of emotions going and a lot of emotions that are that are coming at the family
00:52:56
and then you have to then say hey I got to question you what's your involvement and one thing that I've always done on
00:53:04
my own when I'm looking at a missing person's with a missing child case I should be very clear about this but you
00:53:11
know you can find these stories of missing children that have never surfaced that we've never seen them ever
00:53:17
again after that that last time they were seen right but one thing I always like to do when I'm looking at a case
00:53:22
like that is I like to see what the parent parents did with their lives after the fact because I'll clue you you
00:53:31
know I'll throw this at you like there there was a case that took place in Michigan now this would have been in the
00:53:36
late 80s and we won't get into this whole case but the short of it is the sun went
00:53:42
missing and I found the circumstances to be a little strange and maybe had had a
00:53:48
feeling maybe the father could have been involved in it because of where he was last seen and such things of that nature
00:53:55
the family moved away like they moved away like 9 or 10 months after the sun had disappeared yeah which is weird
00:54:02
because you would assume that you know if he if there's a chance of him coming home yeah you know you want to give that
00:54:10
you know a bunch of Windows and it's kind of like the John uh Johnny gosh case as well too look at look at the the
00:54:17
path the mother took and the path that the father took and a lot of people now speculate that the father was involved
00:54:23
because of his actions afterwards so say that you're doing yeah and I mean you know you see this time and time again
00:54:29
where you have a child that's gone missing and they're missing for an extensive amount of time and you might
00:54:33
hear an interview with the parents 10 or 11 years later and they say we've not moved we've thought about moving because
00:54:40
the memories are so hard for us to deal with but but we would not be able to live with ourselves if if the chance
00:54:46
that our daughter or son got away from whomever and tried to come home and and we weren't there you know if they didn't
00:54:54
know any other means me of contacting us uh they wouldn't be able to live with themselves so this was not the situation
00:55:00
with the pots family I'll go ahead and throw that out there uh the pots family remained in the home for many many years
00:55:06
and as said they were cleared pretty quickly by the police the other thing that the police did was they searched
00:55:11
the neighborhoods because we know she was on foot and the thought would have been this is one thing that we didn't
00:55:19
cover when we were talking about her characteristics she was very shy and almost to the point of being afraid of
00:55:28
men and older boys um they had said on multiple occasions you know if approached by a man or an older boy that
00:55:37
she was likely to walk away or run away from a situation okay and her parents had raised her to be uh well she was
00:55:46
very obedient one and and a polite young young child but they yeah and more this
00:55:52
is not common these days yeah and they they they had raised her as well to be weary of men and and boys um so once the
00:56:03
police had this information they were immediately worried about this because it she was not likely to go off with
00:56:12
somebody she didn't have that personality so the police were working under a couple different theories one
00:56:19
that she either was taken by somebody that knew her or that she somewhat knew uh or that she was she would have been
00:56:27
lured into a vehicle or to a car but it would most likely have to be somebody she was somewhat familiar with that they
00:56:34
didn't expect her to just get in a car with a random yeah possibly or by physical Force yeah and and she I guess
00:56:42
even though being young you know even as young as she was she was known to have babysat for different Neighbors in the
00:56:49
in the area um right so that would give her a bunch of connections and a bunch of possibilities of uh suspects really
00:56:57
and one one police theory that they were working off of that maybe she was maybe
00:57:01
she was coaxed into a house with the thought of maybe the being offered a babysitting job yeah or just it's this
00:57:10
uh you know Dad of a kid that you watched multiple times and you're walking home and he just says Hey
00:57:16
Beverly come in here for a second and then course he's not a stranger and then you're also thinking like you know this
00:57:23
is somewhat my employer so I need to you know comply with his with his request so
00:57:30
not only did they go door too and ask the people living there if they had seen anything or witnessed anything that
00:57:36
evening or since uh but they have they've also were requesting to enter the homes and to you know casually look
00:57:45
around uh to see if there was anything that was of suspicious be nature right um and the majority of the people seem
00:57:52
to comply with this um it must have been so much the majority that it almost sounds like when you read
00:58:00
different newspaper accounts of this investigation that it sounds like everybody was opening their doors um but
00:58:06
but they do specifically say uh those who who agreed to do such another suspect is William Henry Redmond he was
00:58:15
a carnival worker who died in 1992 he had a long criminal record for child molestation this beginning when he was a
00:58:24
young boy uh but he had been years old right yeah he had been awaiting trial for the 1951
00:58:32
murder of an eight-year-old girl her name was Jane elop now he had died before they could convict him of this
00:58:40
well but this is where it gets a little sketchy because he died in 1992 correct and the murder took place in 51 yes so
00:58:48
it took him a long time to bring this man to trial yeah okay yeah took a long time and while he was you you know he
00:58:55
had a cellmate that he had he had told that he had killed Jane as well as three other little girls um we should point
00:59:04
out though that uh the authorities did question him regarding the Beverly pots case this took place in
00:59:12
1988 uh he did refuse to make a statement either way about her disappearance um he did pass a polygraph
00:59:20
uh in connection to another unsolved disappearance of a girl from Connecticut uh but this was a man as said he was a
00:59:27
carnival worker so he traveled around right and he had given these you know this these accounts to the cellmate that
00:59:35
he had abducted and killed four girls now while waiting for this trial the the thing here is the cellmate believes that
00:59:43
he had heard um he had heard that William Henry Redmond call you know say Beverly's name
00:59:52
he couldn't say for certain if it was Beverly pots but he believes that the girl that he was describing uh sounded
00:59:59
like Beverly pots however I believe Redman said that he had killed the girl in 1952 so he could have been off
01:00:07
because you know he's telling this story years and years later right um however he he could have simply unfortunately
01:00:14
killed a different girl at a different location in 1952 um yeah I mean he could get mixed up on
01:00:22
the time I mean it's not that far off I mean month-wise um and again like I said he could have
01:00:28
abducted this girl if he's a carnival worker he's traveling from town to town he's not going to know who the girl's
01:00:33
name is and yes you would hear this stuff in your local news but you know this stuff wasn't national news back in
01:00:40
51 you know a girl went missing in Cleveland Ohio they're not bringing it up there's not Nancy Grace ain't you
01:00:46
know she's not going to go do three months on this missing girl mhm now after William Redmond dies you know he
01:00:53
passes away and 92 he's on trial for this the death of this young girl uh but things get weirder even after he passes
01:01:03
away um you know CU he's suspected of possibly being Beverly pot's killer in 1994 a letter was discovered underneath
01:01:12
the carpet of a house on Midvale Avenue on the west side of Cleveland this is near the neighborhood of Beverly pots
01:01:19
the letter was written in 1960 by a woman who claimed that she had CAU her woman disposing of Beverly's body in
01:01:27
their furnace Now using real estate records the police identified and track down the writer of the letter okay uh
01:01:36
who was at the time 83 when they tracked her down by 1994 her husband had had been passed
01:01:43
away for some time the woman did admit to writing the letter but she had said that the story was untrue that she had
01:01:51
wrote the story as a it's listed as an as in a revenge against her husband because he he physically abused her for
01:01:59
years right um however I I believe that it was you know the long of it is it's it's not really Revenge I think she her
01:02:08
abuse might been have been so bad that maybe she believed he he could possibly end up killing her one day and had that
01:02:17
taken place maybe she wrote this letter as something to kind of leave lying around for someone to find if she were
01:02:24
not around anymore you see what I'm saying yeah I see that but it's you know look and I've said it before and I
01:02:35
always get called a feminist uh I'm just a dude man I'm just a C I'm just the captain but look if some if a guy's
01:02:42
hitting you get the get out of there there's plenty of nice guys that want to take care of you that want to protect
01:02:48
you get get away from those [ __ ] losers okay no I I agree right but but so so I feel for this lady but at the
01:02:56
same time you're going to Brin into this this girl's case and This Girl's family
01:03:01
and then so yeah okay so let's say hypothetically something does happen to you and and so there's this letter lying
01:03:08
around and he goes to jail because of this and there's not much evidence what what is there connecting you know what I
01:03:15
mean and then this poor family you know gets dragged into this thinking that they might get some closure for their
01:03:22
missing daughter you know protect yourself stay away from [ __ ] losers you know there's plenty of guys out
01:03:28
there that will take care of you but don't drag into you know a missing girls family into this I agree but but we can
01:03:35
also you know possibly assume here that if she was going willing to go to such extreme lengths to um to you know get
01:03:46
Justice against her husband you know for killing her if she thought that he could
01:03:51
possibly kill her that maybe she felt that this situation was one that she was unable to leave or didn't feel safe
01:03:58
leaving so but at the end of the day she says this this letter has no truth to it
01:04:04
correct correct and and her husband had been dead for some time at that that point she may have forgotten about this
01:04:10
letter because they had to track her down you know they found this underneath a rug at at the home that she once lived
01:04:17
um and in 19 um I apologize we're all the way up to the year 2000 uh and in 2000 2000
01:04:25
an unidentified individual wrote two letters to the Cleveland plane dealer reporter uh to a reporter at the
01:04:31
Cleveland plane dealer uh the the writer stated that he was dying and he had confessed to molesting and murdering
01:04:39
Beverly the night that she had vanished the Letter's author promised that he would turn himself into the police on
01:04:46
August 24th 2001 this would be the 50th anniversary of Beverly's disappearance wow but but shortly before this date a
01:04:57
third letter was sent to the Cleveland plane dealer this is saying that he had to go to a nursing home and thus he was
01:05:04
going to not be able to keep his promise revealing his identity or turning himself in I actually read uh one of the
01:05:12
letters I was able to find one of the letters I wish I could have found all three but I read one and he basically
01:05:18
states that he had lived in the neighborhood okay and he had seen her and always been kind of infatuated with
01:05:25
her uh he you know we noted earlier that she was tall and he he he said that he thought she was a little bit older uh
01:05:34
but he was infatuated with her and when he saw her walking home that night by herself he saw this is an opportunity
01:05:41
for him to to take her and um you know he he says that I'm only writing this to you because I'm in my Twilight years
01:05:50
that I'm at the end of the end of my life and that um that he wanted to turn himself in right so he felt bad I
01:05:59
believe I believe he even gave his ages 83 years old uh at the time that he wrote that letter and he St so what does
01:06:07
that put him in 51 so it would have been uh he was trying to turn himself in on the 50th
01:06:14
Anniversary so that would have put him at about 32 you know early 30s yeah so roughly
01:06:20
our age her disappearance and uh and no but I'm just saying like to get the mental state of where this guy was at I
01:06:29
mean he's in his 30s and he has this Obsession or you know he says uh what was his term was he said he was
01:06:38
infatuated Beverly pot right he has an infatuation but he's 30 some years old and has a infatuation with a 10-year-old
01:06:46
even if she looks a little older she's 12 right right right right um he he had said that he would turn himself in at
01:06:54
the park at hollerin Park he was going to go there on the 50th anniversary and they could arrest him there and he would
01:07:01
confess to the crimes um upon that uh upon that date and as said he he states that he he had to go to a um a nursing
01:07:11
home I believe that he said that he had he had got cancer or his cancer was progressing um and that he needed to go
01:07:18
to the nursing home and would be unable to keep his promise uh turning himself in now the authorities did launch an
01:07:26
extensive investigation to identify the author of the letters but they were never able to ascertain anything beyond
01:07:33
that the letters were all written by the same person and that their author was probably an elderly infirm man um the
01:07:43
many investigators believe that the correspondence was genuine um and if I've seen the letters they're written in
01:07:50
cursive with a shaky hand um I don't know that that means that it has to to be an old person but I think that that's
01:07:56
what they're basing um some of this information off of yes this this pretty interesting though so we have two
01:08:03
letters that are basically setting up the you know him turning himself in then a third letter apologizing yeah and he
01:08:11
was picking the area he was picking the anniversary mhm again stuff that you could just look up off the internet
01:08:18
again this could just be I mean where do you fall on this cuz I mean Part of Me Goes got feeling some sicko that's just
01:08:26
lonely but if you toss in that this guy might be 80 some years old do you do you
01:08:32
really think a 80-year-old would just be doing this to get attention no I mean it
01:08:37
seems like it lines up with the idea of I'm coming to my end and I need to confess to this for for some kind of
01:08:45
forgiveness or right remorse I need to show remorse like a a deathbed confession but I'm going to confess now
01:08:52
before while I still have all my mental capabilities and I and I can be honest and come come clear with this um I don't
01:09:00
know I I hate to think that it's a hoax you would think that after 50 years that
01:09:04
you might be able to get an answer I but but I but again if it's a deathbed confession you almost think that
01:09:11
somebody would carry through with this and turn themselves in right um so I kind of lean on the side of a hoax yeah
01:09:19
but it could have been it could have been as simple as the guy has you know my cancer getting worse and he talks to
01:09:25
somebody he says yeah they do take care of you in prison mhm but the care is going to be very minimal yeah and this
01:09:34
was not the first um correspondence that they were receiving you know the Cleveland plane dealer they immediately
01:09:40
sent the uh letters to the police they did not post these in their newspaper well and this is 2001 so at this point
01:09:47
they're probably even being sent to the FBI yeah and they didn't put put this in
01:09:51
their newspaper because they were worried if if they put it in the newspaper before the 50th Anniversary
01:09:56
that the man wouldn't actually turn himself in so there was no involvement with media other than doing the proper
01:10:02
thing by passing along the letters to the police they didn't get involved and then hinder this man from turning
01:10:09
himself in now this wouldn't be the first correspondence that investigators had with somebody who claimed to either
01:10:15
be the killer or know the killer um back in the I believe it was the' 70s there was a man that came forward that wrote
01:10:22
letters well I he came forward but he had some form of correspondence with the police and said that his brother had
01:10:28
done the killing now they there was an auto body shop uh in the neighborhood now keep in mind this is the 70s so
01:10:37
you're talking about 20 years after the crime right but this this person had said that the brother did The Killing
01:10:42
and that the body was buried in the basement uh this would have been a home at one time and that the brother
01:10:49
supposedly lived at the home kidnapped her and killed her and buried her in the basement well they
01:10:55
went they went by they in the 7s they went to this body shop and they dug up concrete floor and I mean they went I
01:11:05
think I think the newspaper said they went 4 feet down you know so they went pretty far down before they realized
01:11:11
there was nothing there there was nothing this was this was another hoax in this situation now we're not
01:11:17
completely at not necessarily a hoax though I mean it might you know the the brother actually might have believed
01:11:23
this you know um there is some form of Hope here though and I know it sounds crazy because we're talking about you
01:11:31
know 60 60 years has passed right um over 60 years has passed and we don't have any answers but we still have the
01:11:40
letters so I mean we can try to do DNA testing and this guy might have been in the system by then in 2001 well in
01:11:48
2015 somebody had called Crim Stoppers an anonymous caller called Crim Stoppers and and gave some information to Crim
01:11:56
Stoppers regarding The Disappearance and murder of Beverly pots now this is very
01:12:02
strange because this is so many years later well what Crim Stoppers did was they actually increased the reward
01:12:10
amount um that they were offering for information on Beverly pots why because when they gave the information to
01:12:17
investigators the investigators made a public plea that you know using the newspaper and using news sources they
01:12:25
made a public plea to have the caller please call back that you can remain anonymous you you can contact us on the
01:12:32
website if you like but we need to hear from you again because they believed that some of the information they
01:12:39
received they didn't feel like this was a hoax I don't know what information they received they didn't say you know
01:12:44
they weren't outright with with information that they received but there was something in there that they were a
01:12:50
they were latching on to and they wanted to hear from this person and again again
01:12:54
increasing the reward amount um to this date um you know that was mid uh last year mid 2015 so it's been over a year
01:13:04
and we've not heard back from this Anonymous person well and the frustrating thing for True Crime fans is
01:13:11
you know it's an ongoing case it's an open case so a lot of times the police department will not um you know release
01:13:18
this information and that's difficult as a as a fan of the genre but uh we all understand that as far but sometimes I
01:13:26
understand it but sometimes I get a little frustrated cuz it's like maybe there is one thing that if you toss out
01:13:30
to the public it would it would spark you know some you know interest or some conversation or something and we could
01:13:38
solve a you know this case that's been going on for 30 or 60 some years yeah yeah and I I think it's even you know
01:13:44
for me at the end of the day do do I have an idea what I think happened well uh it's hard to think that somebody took
01:13:51
her and then raised her as their own you know this being so many years later and
01:13:55
and we haven't heard anything or any new information come out regarding that the
01:14:00
police did have a very tough investigation that there was you're not talking about a whole lot of evidence
01:14:06
you know you're talking about a whole lot of people and not really any eyewitnesses um the the thing that I
01:14:11
keep going back to over and over get in my head is who is that plump little lady
01:14:17
right uh that had her hand on her shoulder I I believe her friend um I believe that this would be such a severe
01:14:24
thing for this young child for this Patricia swing to have experienced that I believe that she would be telling
01:14:31
absolutely the either the truth or something she believed to be the truth maybe she didn't see that but maybe
01:14:37
maybe she thought she saw that um but the thing here is we talked about how and it could have been something as
01:14:43
simple as this lady was behind her and the Hand wasn't on the shoulder yeah or just or or or happen to bump into her
01:14:51
and just said oh sorry honey and kept walking and that was the right yeah but the but the thing Curious Thing here is
01:14:58
the pots family did say that Beverly would have been weary of men and older boys and so the police did have a theory
01:15:08
that maybe she was enticed by a woman that a woman could have been involved in the abduction um but as said there was
01:15:16
that tip that came out last year hopefully we hear something uh about this because this was one of the biggest
01:15:22
uh cases and it still haunts um some of the Cleveland area to this day well what
01:15:27
a great way to start uh season 4 you go back to Ohio that's right I keep telling
01:15:33
people you're going to get away from Ohio so people will start visit you know that our uh you know people taking
01:15:38
vacations to Ohio have has gone down since we started the podcast unfortunately these things are
01:15:44
happening in in everywhere um and we we happen to cover more Ohio cases because we know of them um and but I do want to
01:15:54
you might I want to throw out a little safety tip here Captain okay okay so as our listeners know uh we have been
01:16:01
involved in the past and will continue to be involved with the national Center for missing and exploited children now
01:16:08
um they have something that that has recently come out called it's a safety app it's a free it's a free app to
01:16:15
download for iTunes or iPhone and Android devices um and it's called Safety Central so I won't go through the
01:16:23
entire bit of it but I recommend if you have children or if you're a grandparent
01:16:28
uh you know that you you put this on your phone and it's it's basically it's an identification kit for the children
01:16:35
that are special to you for the children that you know and that you care about and it you're going to be able to put
01:16:41
important information about each child on there as well as a photo uh we had discussed earlier if there is a
01:16:48
disappearance of a child unfortunately you know hopefully nobody ever has to experience
01:16:53
but if if you find your in the situation you do not want to lose valuable minutes
01:16:58
and hours trying to find these things for the police now thankfully we live in a digital age so there's a lot more
01:17:05
pictures being taken of people so and not only pictures but videos now yeah so it's a it's more commonplace today that
01:17:11
you would have an updated photo but what your ID kit will do again this is safety
01:17:16
Central uh get the free app but what it will do is it will remind you every so often to update the photo of the child
01:17:24
that information and all that stuff yeah so I recommend checking that out and like always if we get any new
01:17:30
information on this case we'll dive right back into it and uh if you know anything right you can contact us at the
01:17:38
blog on uh true Crim garage.com and uh what's this week's recommended reading well and also if you
01:17:46
want to remain anonymous you can contact uh Crim Stoppers you know they're looking for information as well
01:17:51
recommended reading for this week is the main AC in the bushes True Crimes and disasters from the streets of Cleveland
01:17:57
and more Tales of Cleveland wo by John Stark Bellamy II um this is an interesting book uh it does it does talk
01:18:07
about the Beverly pots disappearance um there's lots of photos in here people like the the different photos for uh the
01:18:14
True Crime stuff but there also is the uh torso killer is covered in this book as well which has been a case that's
01:18:21
been recommended to us oh about a million times um so if you want to check out uh more cases from
01:18:28
Ohio specifically the Cleveland area check out the maniac in the bush bushes by John Stark Bellamy II and you can do
01:18:35
that by going to our website true Crim garage.com and click on the recommended page and thank you for everybody joining
01:18:42
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