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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] how can a case where they've told us so little be so big right this is just it
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seems huge MH it seems really small on the outside when when you look into it and you're like oh well we have a a
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couple seconds of a video clip of somebody walking on a bridge we have couple seconds of some guy talking
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saying guys down the hill MH and then you look into it and you're like wow this is a huge huge case and part of
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that has been I think a lot of a lot of it is due to speculation and we talked about this quite a bit before is right
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now anytime some some guy does something super violent sexual in nature resulting
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in Murder any of those different things we're seeing them being brought to the Forefront of being a possible suspect in
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the deli murders case right and not just individuals that are arrested in Indiana
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but a bay that's arrested that has ties to Indiana well one guy we talked about was Paul Eder okay now he is super
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interesting for a million reasons but one thing that you and I keep keep going back to is DNA okay so early last week
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what came out was that the sheriff states that the deli murder investigators have requested eder's
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autopsy result results as well as his DNA okay so this guy was 55 years old he's dead he committed suicide after a
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standoff with police police where he was in this standoff with police because he had he had
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attacked a woman he abducted her while she was changing a tire on the side of the road in Tippy Canoe County which is
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not terribly far from Deli well she actually didn't she actually like break down right by his house yeah something
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the way that the the story works that that I read anyway was that he she broke down on the side of the road right in
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front of his property very early in the morning like at like 4:30 in the morning
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yeah he offers to help her and she's she's kind of creeped out by this dude so she decides you know I don't
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need any help and just continues on well right and we but we make some leaps here
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like one of the things that I've heard was okay well this Eder guy creeped out his victim and that we we know that Abby
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and Libby were creeped out enough to take pictures of the guy Bridge guy and so so some people make that leap that
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this girl felt the same thing that Libyan Abby felt mhm he ends up following her and abducting this woman
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eventually he lets her go after rape and sexual assault and then the police catch up
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with Paul Eder because he's driving around in a stolen vehicle yeah after this standoff he commits suicide and now
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we find out that the sheriff's they're saying that the investigators requested his autopsy results and his DNA and
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we've seen DNA requests before and we've we've talked about this before but to me
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this really solidifies for me what I believe there to be DNA and you say well Nick why are they even questioning why
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are you Nick Colonel Captain why are you garage idiots questioning the DNA well we're questioning the DNA because in the
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beginning the investigators made it sound as if they had it and then at some point that went away from their their
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press releases and from their what their words that they were choosing to use to
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the public it just disappeared and so then you have to question is there something wrong with the DNA or did they
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not have it or did they speak did they speak out before they knew if they were going to have it or not yeah and one of
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the statements that they made again that makes me question it or I think would make anybody question it is the idea
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that they say look we're not going to clear anybody we're not going to do that we're going to call it check or or
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they've been we've gone over that person he's been checked yeah we're not going to say that they've been cleared until
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somebody's arrested and somebody's convicted and then the next statement is if they are convicted right meaning that
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this um law enforcement officer believes that they might one day arrest somebody
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but might not be able to get a conviction that's what it makes it seem now they might just be playing it safe
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and that's fine and I understand that but if they're not playing it safe and that statement is a true statement that
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makes you question if they have DNA because if you have somebody that you arrest for the crime you have DNA plus
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you have other evidence why wouldn't this be a slam dunk well and then one thing too is we discussed the reasons
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why you would ask someone to submit their DNA even if you did not have this you're doing it as a scare tactic as a
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way to see if this suspect will squirm right and and immediately become uncooperative in your questions and in
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your investigation and then you go well we should be checking into this guy further because he doesn't want to seem
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to help us with this double homicide of of two children I mean yeah you can be guilty of a lot of bad things but
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nothing as bad as this so you you you would think persons would comply and offer their assistance at the very at
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least to just get their name off of this investigation well you see this similarly with um asking people to take
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a lie detector we know that we can't use that in a court of law but we're going to use it to kind of see how you play
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play out this hand right and so the thing though that really kind of I'm really going the way of yes they have
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DNA and I I've always kind of been that way on this on this case but I feel like
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the longer that we look into it the stronger my feeling is and my the higher my confidence level gets that they do
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have DNA and so it just doesn't make any sense to me when people I I I'm leaning your way I I have
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some reservations about it but at the end of the day it's like why would they keep bringing up the idea that they're
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going to test individuals and even law enforcement kind of said look it would be they'd be very surprised
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if if Eder is is connected in any way but is it just uh a statement that they're making to the public to let them
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know we're doing everything in our power yeah well not only that you have you have the public saying this guy's a
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suspect and if if the public considers him a suspect then law enforcement better as well at least to the point of
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check into him like you said he's been checked and then move on to your next guy and I I think that's where the
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argument comes in where people start to question if there's DNA because they're going oh there's been all these suspects
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in the Public's eye right the police and investigators and FBI are saying we're checking into this guy that we've been
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made aware of now because he's been arrested for something else and then we never hear anything as
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far as the guy being cleared and like you pointed out that's for good reason they've already said early on that they
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are not going to clear anyone whether they whether they get somebody's DNA and they compare it to what they have on
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file the sample that was left at the crime scene and they might go well he's been checked he's been checked we know
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they may know that that person did not do it but they're not going to say that publicly until as you said Captain
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somebody is sitting in court and sitting through the court the the trial process
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well let's break that down a little bit because that didn't make a lot of sense to me why why would you not state that
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somebody's cleared if you cleared them and and one of the things that they were saying is that if you come out publicly
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and say uh Logan for example you know the girls were found on Logan's property Logan was arrested on other charges if
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they go through and check aliis and do some things they go okay well Logan is cleared and then it comes back that he's
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not cleared and they arrest him and they go to trial that just the statement that
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the law enforcement at one point cleared this individual that could be reasonable
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doubt right that gives the jury Reasonable Doubt and so that makes a lot more sense and because then you're
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fighting an uphill battle you're you're now saying well at one point we cleared this
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individual but now no and and so if if at one point law enforcement said this person wasn't
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involved that would like you said gives you probable cause to go well I uh or gives you Reasonable Doubt to go you
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know if they weren't sure at one point how am I supposed to be sure well the the other thing that
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really strengthens my belief that they do have DNA one I'm just going back to the beginning and realizing and knowing
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and reminding myself that they said they had it at one point and I see that it's
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disappeared from their narrative I'm fine with that and I get why I think that is and I think it's smart and I'll
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get into that in just a second but the thing that really strengthens my belief that there is DNA here is they're
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requesting it from a dead man and we know this to be true per per the news reports that were coming out last week
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and on top of that the way that the the wording that they use when they state that is that they requested it shortly
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after this guy committed suicide after Paul Eder killed himself so the thing the thing is it's no longer a scare
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tactic if there's nobody to scare right it's just simply yeah collecting evidence at this point and so that
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really strengthens it for me on that level and then I've recently viewed a a short interview where um Kim Riley one
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of the officers one of the investigators with the state police he's not the on the local level he's on the state police
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where he here's the thing with these with these with the investigators here they're all doing a very good job
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they're they're trying to field and answer as many questions as possible they do have a let's say script or
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narrative to try to stick to that they've all agreed upon but on occasion because they are being so transparent or
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or at least with what what they're willing to share and availability to be in front of
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the public and to answer questions on occasion you can catch a little bit of a slip where you're like oh I don't know
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that they were supposed to say it like that or well think about all the emotions that they're carrying around
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with them so in one in one of these little news Clips I saw Kim Riley stating you know basically he's being
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asked if you have DNA or if you have so much evidence on this guy why hasn't there been an arrest
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and he was saying well there there's we and he's trying to be hypothetical but you can tell in a way he's probably
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talking about what's actually going on with the case he says you know well we might have a situation here where this
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person has never done anything before and we just don't have any way of tracking him down or tracing this
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individual right so that really that statement to me really makes me feel like the police at least believe that
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they're working on a suspect that bridge guy has not been convicted of anything where he would have his DNA profile
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already submitted to cotus and then when when he goes further to say wouldn't have anything to track no way to trace
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this individual that also makes me wonder if they have fingerprints as well but they're just not in the system that
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we do have stuff we just we need to find the right guy the right person bring him
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forward and and have his fingerprints and or DNA to compare this to and so I I feel good that I think
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that it's there I think the reason why you go back and you go back and you go oh [ __ ] we talked about DNA let's kind
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of just drop that from the story and not bring it up again because and then there's other times where we have
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somebody like Daniel Nations who says I submitted my DNA and you never hear from
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police saying that they that yeah we asked him to do so or he did submit it anything like that they just say he's
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somebody we're not really that interested in I think the other thing if you do in fact have DNA or as some guys
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up in the Amy mahalic case like to say bait in the net I always thought that was a strange way to word it but if you
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do in fact have DNA you might want to drop that from The Narrative just for the fact that you
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want this guy to slip up wait why why do you find that weird bait baiting the net
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I just saw so when when uh the investigator at Water Town right I mean they're they're
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by water right but what I mean by that is when they're asked if they have DNA um most of the time their answer is well
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we have bait in the net rather than just giving you a a clear General right clear
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General understanding sometimes they've given a better answer than that but but for a while they were sticking to that
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bait in the net kind of thing which is fine um anyway what I was getting at though
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Captain is here you have a situation where if you do have DNA of this guy and he is not in the system he has not
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committed any offenses that he's been caught for to the point where he would be in the system now you're going you
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know what let's drop that from The Narrative because we wouldn't mind terribly if he goes out and commits an
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offense and gets caught for it right I mean we're nobody saying nobody suggesting hey go out and and murder
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somebody so we can catch this guy what we're what we're you're hoping for is could he get picked up for a DUI could
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he could he do something dumb you know anything that would warrant a felony arrest from my understanding in Indiana
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now you were forced to submit your DNA so you get this guy driving drunk home from from from a bar one night you might
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end up catching your guy but let's be clear about that so every state is different but in the state of Indiana if
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you are arrested with something that you can be charged a felony for you don't have to actually be charged you don't
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have to actually go through the process and and be found guilty but when you're arrested they'll swab your DNA and
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they're going to take your fingerprints and all that Stu that's how they enter you into the system yeah and I and I
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think you were saying that that didn't pass until 2017 and and then they don't implement it until 201 18 or whatever
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that yes that's my understanding of of the way that it's going down in Indiana and as you said it gets difficult for us
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to remember there's 50 states and they're all kind of doing that stuff a little different from from state to
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state here's the other thing though Paul Eder is in fact we we know that they went after his DNA according to the
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words that they chose to use it made it sound like it was shortly after he killed himself so now we're looking at a
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month ago you would think if he is the guy he's not alive for you to even bother talking to him right I feel like
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trying to gather more information that's true just because we've not heard does not mean he's not the guy but do you
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think he makes a good suspect because the initial the the thing I jump to immediately is yes Paul Eder is a a
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horrible individual uh he abducted and raped a woman but he let her go we're looking
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for a killer not a not necessarily just a rapist and we don't know the the Mounds of
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possibilities are are endless and and and that gets a little um it can make everything convoluted
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but I think what we we have here is an individual that possibly could look like Bridge guy I mean we're only seeing just
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like a head shot of this individual but you go okay here's this guy that has uh committed crimes before violent crimes
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sexual in nature is it possible that he he did this uh double murder and then uh
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kind of went on a spree if if if you will that or or had a you know weird Universe uh the universe puts um for
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lack of a better word prey right by his house and the early morning he attacks her for whatever reason maybe he knows
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that this has gone too far we've seen this with other Killers with other attackers where they uh where afterwards
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they'll say I'm never doing this again or or they take their own life maybe he knew is's going to take his own life and
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for whatever reason it's like okay I did this double murder that's been on my mind now I did this this basically
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torture is what it was um the sexual assault rape torture I'm going to take my own life
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and maybe that's why he let her go and and then he takes his own life I mean I mean I understand that there's a 5 hour
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stand off but we we can't know for sure what was going through this guy's head but it that's a possibility so when
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people say well he let this other uh victim go and he didn't let you know that that rules them out in so
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people so many people's mind I'm like I don't think that rules out anything because we don't know what's going on in
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this sick individual's mind right I agree I I but I tend to lean toward I I don't know that I'd make
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him the top suspect partly in part just because he did let that future victim go
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and from the way I'm I'm viewing this thing it looks to me like he may have got away with that and I hate to say
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this out loud he may have got away with that whole attack and rape if he had not
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let her go and it's just the well and the other thing that makes me question it too is is his age well and that's
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what I wonder because he had to have some knowledge that she had knowledge of where he was from and maybe she didn't
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know that area that well but where she broke down and so by letting her go it's almost like you're setting free the
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person that is going to basically be your downfall and the reason why you get captured but again if your vehicle
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breaks down in front of this guy's house and he comes walking out or in front of
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his property and he he very clearly comes walking out and you go well he must have lived there I mean that's
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probably the first thing you're going to say you might not know the the numerical
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of the address that that you broke down in front of but you're going to go hey I
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was on on u i such and such street last week I had the note I had the street name in my notes but yeah you could go I
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was right around this area on such and such street guy comes out of his house 4:00 in the morning yeah and um and then
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you can identify the guy and what's interesting to me about the whole connection with with Eder is um he kind
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of has a bulbous nose would you say it's bulbous yeah and I've actually guess well and I'm I'm using that term
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uh uh for in this case because I've actually seen several videos where they're doing new profiles of Bridgeman
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and they start talking about that he has a a characteristic that we haven't noticed in the past and I've actually
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seen this from at least two individuals where they're saying he has a char character that we didn't notice but now
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we notice he has a bulbous nose mhm and I wonder if that is these online armchair
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detectives if this is their way of them Shifting The Narrative okay well we have
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this guy in custody is he a perfect match for a bridge guy no uh like you said logically he
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attacks one uh attacks two individuals kills them lets another one go that doesn't seem to line up
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really but um he's he's 55 and yeah which would be past the actual age range that they they gave us right from yeah
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from the most recent press conference the the big one that kind of blew everything up in
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April they're saying 18 to 40 is the age that they believe that they're looking for and so even you know even two years
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ago Paul Eder would have been 53 now I am sitting here looking at a mug shot of his from
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2012 I'm not I don't have a full understanding of what his charge would have been back then but it appears to be
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a mug shot from 2012 right so seven years ago he would have been 48 I will I will say this about Paul he could
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probably now mind you this is a very small sample size he's bald if he had hair it would help a bit more but I I
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could maybe see him passing for 43 in this picture and he would be about 48 so he does look younger or appear younger
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than what he is which that's also part of what they said in their release that we're looking for someone probably
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between the ages of 18 and 40 who may appear younger than their actual age right but the tricky thing here though
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is didn't they also claim in this description that that that the perpetrator Bridge guy had you know kind
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of a reddish hair well in the first sketch yes the first sketch that was released it
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appears to be reddish hair I what were they saying about the second sketch did they give a hair color for that one as
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well I thought that's the one that they said reddish okay and so that that makes
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me question I mean when people still bring up Logan because the girls were found on Logan's property again clearly
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Logan has gray hair clearly Eder has you know salt and pepper hair I would say but leaning more gray so I don't know uh
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un unless that I I have some issues and I think anybody should have issues with the idea that you have a you
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have two sketches that they claim were happen at the same time they went with one over the other they look like two
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different individuals to me I'm having a real hard hard time the more um we dive
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into this case I'm having a hard time actually believing any of this as far as eyewitnesses go well I think I think
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somebody that's still of very big interest to me is Thomas Bruce who is thankfully in jail
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waiting on something to happen with his current case right where he is facing a murder charge and sexual assault and
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rape charges he's the one that went into the Catholic supply store for and ordered the women to the
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back of the the the establishment right and attacked and assaulted and killed one of them there the way that this
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thing goes down and I can't remember I know we went through his timeline somewhat but he left the store at one
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point under the guise of going out to get a credit card from his car which he turns and I I'm assuming that's when he
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went out and got the gun from his vehicle and this guy is weird too because again the age is wrong with him
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the the difference between him and Paul Eder is we know Thomas Bruce to be a killer the thing that also I find
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fascinating about Thomas Bruce is it doesn't appear that he's been in any kind of trouble before this strange
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attack right that results in the murder and I don't know I I'm I'm not saying that Thomas Bruce is the guy I'm just
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saying on the on the outside looking in he looks a little more like the guy to me in a sense that it seems like he
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committed a crime of opportunity that maybe when he did enter that store the first time I mean look we
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know he left the store and came back so there was something in his plan that he needed from the vehicle or or something
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that he needed to readjust before he carried out the attack or he wasn't 100% planning on attacking the place when he
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first walked in there yeah how many individuals were in there I think it was three women were in there and and again
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so logic would tell you okay well so Eder attacks a single female and then obviously liby and Abby
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being two females but in this other case with Bruce then you go well he he had no
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problem going hey there three people I can control this in his brain right and so that's the same scenario as Libby and
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Abby so you're out in a park you see these two girls walking and you think that's an opportunity and I I really
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think that that narrows down the individual quite a bit because there's a lot of individuals that they're not
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going to try to control two two victims they're not going to try to to tell most
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of these perpetrators that's too big of a situation MH and so you know logic would tell you that that's a good match
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yeah and the other thing too is Thomas Bruce was even let's say he did not plan on attacking those women at the Catholic
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supply store until after he went in there the first time he obviously was prepared to do
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something like that in some form or fashion even just the point where he needed to go out to his vehicle and get
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something possibly and that's what I think he I think think this dude had a had a kill
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kit rape kit in his vehicle yeah and he saw an opportunity or maybe he was planning on maybe he was
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watching and casing the place and saw his opportunity and right but he goes and retrieves the kill kit rape kit from
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from the vehicle right again same type of thing though is you don't know who's going to be on the trails you don't know
00:28:57
who's going to be at the park that day but you just bring the stuff with you but you were prepared to do something if
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so let's talk about the suspect's age one thing that I find and the sketches as well so one thing that I find
00:31:35
completely fascinating like like you were saying when you see these two sketches they're completely different
00:31:41
from one another and and that's frustrating as hell right in a whole bunch of ways
00:31:47
they're completely different from one another and then we have the statement of the suspect we believe we're looking
00:31:52
for a guy between the ages of 18 and 40 who may appear younger than what he is well what's the population on people 18
00:32:01
to 40 I mean that's a that's 22 years that we're spanning and then Okay so we've been told that those sketches both
00:32:10
sketches were developed by eyewitnesses that saw a man matching that description
00:32:16
whether it be sketch a or sketch B that day near the bridge or on the trails that day right so again it's it's it's
00:32:26
weird we have two completely different sketches and then on top of that here's here's one thing that I really wonder
00:32:33
about the age range here because you should be able to look at somebody's face if you're going to describe them to
00:32:40
the point where somebody can draw a sketch you should be able to answer the question of does he look 18 or does he
00:32:46
look 40 rather than I couldn't decide if it was 18 could have been as late as 40
00:32:53
what I wonder here is because we have the two sketches and they're two so different from one
00:33:00
another are they not ruling out the possibility of either sketch being correct and and police are
00:33:07
thinking that he looks younger in one sketch than he does in the other and therefore now we have a a a
00:33:14
range of 20 to 22 years for the possibility well see I just wonder at first um based off of
00:33:23
eyewitness based off of the video footage that they had if they just went you know what this this eyewitness gave
00:33:30
us this this um drawing we were able to look at that drawing look at bridg man look at the the video footage that we
00:33:39
have cuz we're assuming that they have more video footage the rumor is they have a lot more footage um I could not
00:33:47
get that confir I have a weird situation where I do have a contact that actually
00:33:54
worked the case I can't get into to that too much uh but some of the information
00:33:59
that I have have passed along to them just to see if they can confirm or deny uh
00:34:06
sometimes I don't want to I don't know how to say this but I I think sometimes it's almost like if they can confirm it
00:34:13
like they just won't um not they're not trying to be jerks or anything but it's it's so it's almost like uh you know
00:34:22
like oh I heard they have a lot more footage can you confirm or deny that and then it's like no answers but it's
00:34:29
really like basically they're confirming what I'm saying so I think they have a lot more footage um than than what
00:34:37
they're leading on to believe and so what what if it's just this simple I saw this guy on the bridge okay he looks
00:34:43
like this okay we do a drawing that drawing kind of looks like Bridge guy kind of looks like this grainy video
00:34:50
footage we have of the individual you get the next eyewitness they give you a whole different person you kind of
00:34:57
compare that with Bridge guy your gut feeling tells you no you that's why you went with the first
00:35:04
drawing my argument is that we have all these people coming forward or not all these people but we have a handful of
00:35:11
people saying well we saw these this guy on on the path that doesn't mean that they actually saw the killer they just
00:35:19
saw a guy on the path right and that's what I can't get over because I believe this
00:35:28
uh where he took them to to go down by roughly by that service road keep going down cross the
00:35:40
river I think that was all by Design and I think it's more than likely it was either to take them to a more
00:35:52
remote situation but even if that was the case and there was no vehicle down there I
00:35:58
either think he was trying to take them to a remote situation and that's where his getaway
00:36:04
was or it was let me take him to this remote situation and then whatever happens happens but then when I'm
00:36:14
leaving I think this individual knew that area so well that they didn't have to leave back on that
00:36:20
path so then I question are these are these eyewitness accounts even of the murderer well we don't know what we do
00:36:33
know is that they tell us that the what we're seeing in the video the the man in
00:36:38
the video bridg man is is the Killer and then we're getting these two sketches of people that were seen in the
00:36:46
area on the paths and the the sketches to me are fascinating in the sense of thinking
00:36:54
about it this way as well so let's assume in this situation right you would assume that you would have one
00:37:04
person that you wouldn't know who they are that's the killer the Killer is not going to come forward and say well that
00:37:11
was me on the path there that day we find that highly unlikely okay not that it would never happen but we know it
00:37:18
probably has not happened to this point but it let's say both of these people and multiple people that offered
00:37:28
up this this person that they claimed to have seen that day if we're to believe all of them then
00:37:38
we have two persons at least two people that don't look anything like each other so I'm
00:37:43
going to go ahead and say two people right that are unknown to us at this time when we should only have
00:37:49
one and so then you and I were talking about this and you brought up a good point and I countered it with a with
00:37:55
another good point you said well then it also make now that makes me wonder how many other people
00:38:01
you have that you're that are unknown to you yeah it's not like you walk into the
00:38:06
park and you check in you know or there there's some like camera that you have to go by and then
00:38:13
we can go well we know that there was 100 people there that day and and 98 of them are accounted for or 99 of them are
00:38:20
accounted for one thing I question in this though is there a chance that we that there's a person that's been made
00:38:28
up that there dive into that further so what I mean by that is where where we're
00:38:33
sitting here going okay if both of these sketches are correct then we have two people that have not come forward two
00:38:38
people that are unknown to us right mhm and then you brought up the good point that well if you got two then maybe you
00:38:47
have more and I I agree with that possibility as well I also think about the idea of maybe we don't have two
00:38:54
people that were there what if one of these people is just a bad description of of a person that's already come
00:39:01
forward right what what if for whatever reason somebody look they had the best of intentions they're trying to help
00:39:09
they're misremembering and they're describing somebody that did they didn't really see they saw somebody else
00:39:14
instead or it's a mashup of multiple people that they saw that day right and we we also don't know when we're getting
00:39:21
these reports and so what we do know at one point you know the we we know okay correct me if I'm wrong but we do know
00:39:30
that that the father was there looking for the girls yeah Derrik was there we know he was there because he he was in
00:39:38
charge of picking them up that day and I I could see you know somebody giving a bad
00:39:44
description and saying that bridge guy kind of looks like him kind of see that I I think uh the grandfather looks more
00:39:52
like Bridge guy number one the drawing again is are there are these people searching are they asking for
00:40:00
eyewitnesses did somebody come forward a week later and say yeah I saw this guy and give you a a bad description and all
00:40:08
they saw was um you know Derek looking for the girls from my understanding both of those sketches and I'm just going off
00:40:16
of words that and mind you they're choosing their words very carefully mhm but from press conferences and from
00:40:24
interviews that police and investigators and State Police have done with with the
00:40:29
public and the media those two sketches from everything I've seen were developed within 48 Hours
00:40:36
of the girls going missing right and and both were both they came up with both sketches because
00:40:44
they were eyewitness statements and and accounts and look you have what that there's like a meat packing place pretty
00:40:52
close by a lot of sex offenders there there's a lot of sex offenders in the area it it's very possible that somebody
00:40:59
was just taking a hike not doing anything bad uh but has a record or has a kind of a dark history that is just
00:41:07
not going to come forward I just don't see and again we don't know because it's not that that information hasn't been
00:41:17
put out there they're not saying that this eyewitness saw the person coming back through an entrance or exit so we
00:41:24
don't know where they actually saw this individual right well I mean the police probably know
00:41:31
right the police know I can't say for certain but the the things that I'm seeing reading
00:41:38
hearing is okay so we talked a little bit about the flannel shirt man the flannel shirtman is believed to be one
00:41:44
of the witnesses to seeing one of these individuals in the sketch and I believe I think the general
00:41:52
thought is that flannel shirman saw what he described to be the first sketch that
00:41:58
came out okay so the slight the the older looking of the two in my opinion and the thing is the way that
00:42:07
this has been described is that this Man based off of his timeline would have seen Bridge guy on the trail on the 501
00:42:18
trail walking away from the moan and high bridge and he's believed it's believed
00:42:27
that bridge guy was leaving at that time leaving the area in the process of doing
00:42:33
such so we know from Derek's statements as well Derek saw the flannel shirtman when he arrived around 315 to pick up
00:42:43
his daughter so that that would put flannel shirman and Derek at the intersecting
00:42:51
trails at 505 and 501 around 34 14 3:15 p.m. now flannel shirk guy is going to say that he saw Bridge guy around the
00:43:03
same time MH but he also saw Derek so we we have a general marker and place marker for where Bridge guy may have
00:43:12
been around three let's back it up and say 310 to maybe 320 and the the thing that I would love
00:43:20
to see the most in this guy's statement in flannel shirt guys statement is is it police saying that bridg guy was
00:43:30
leaving at that time just basing everything off of the known facts of the case in in their
00:43:36
timeline or was that that dude's statement he was leaving why would he know if the guy's coming or going or
00:43:43
anything different M that seems a little strange to me I would love to know if that's if that's flannel shirt guys
00:43:49
words or if that's the investigator's words because that would be about the time he should be leaving right we know
00:43:57
they were alive and well at 207 and then we have statements from the family saying that around 3:30 or
00:44:05
so the phone was going straight the voicemail it wasn't even ringing anymore the thing is we have a very a
00:44:13
very small window things happened very fast that day once they started going wrong right we're talking th this attack
00:44:22
and murder and everything happened between 207 and 3:30 and you can even Whittle that
00:44:30
down faster if you believe some of the other known statements right so let's go through this real quick 207 that picture
00:44:38
is taken there's no Bridge guy on the bridge at that time they say that it would take 7 minutes for somebody to
00:44:46
walk that bridge now that's if you're walking you're very mindful of your steps you're you're you're watching your
00:44:53
steps as you go along you're being very safe cautious I actually think bridg guy
00:44:59
moved a lot faster than that wasn't so cautious I think that's what probably alerted the girls that this dude is
00:45:08
weird that he's something is up right or scary right I think they look back on the bridge and all of a sudden this
00:45:15
guy's on the bridge and he's moving he's moving at a good Pace he's not running you can't run on that bridge but he's
00:45:21
moving at a good pace and not only is he moving at a good Pace he's he's watching
00:45:25
his steps and he's turning and he's checking behind him every now and then to make sure nobody is behind him
00:45:32
nobody's behind him they're and they're thinking yeah what should this guy care if nobody's behind him and why is he
00:45:39
moving so fast well again so he doesn't want to be seen so then I then I question
00:45:45
because did he try to make the girls cross the water or or did they actually make a run for it you know uh I heard
00:45:55
somebody say that they think that it was his idea for them to cross but that's probably where he lost control of them
00:46:02
and that's why they you know he took their lives on the other side but you know we don't know the
00:46:11
details of how he took their lives other than they we believe there was a weapon
00:46:19
involved so we know that but then we also know that there's a a very good possibility right what was at least 100%
00:46:27
chance that he was wet on some level and so again he would he would have to be at
00:46:34
some point that day he he he was in the water right and that's again what makes me believe that he didn't
00:46:41
backtrack okay now this is done let me get back on that main trail uh I know I don't know those
00:46:48
trails that unless he had to you know what I mean I I get what you're saying I I'm fully with you the bridge right so
00:46:56
it when I look at this thing if you were going to try to plan this out and make it go down without any problems at all
00:47:04
here's how it goes down you you see them a little bit after 207 and and this is the thing you would
00:47:11
actually go down Trail 505 the Less Traveled Trail the 501 leads to the mo and high bridge okay but
00:47:22
on the 505 when you walk down there and you get Creek Side I'm wondering if there's a spot down there because what
00:47:30
happens is picture a v right that the trails start off together and they don't when I say intersecting it's not an X
00:47:39
it's more of a of a thin V where one goes off to to one side a little bit but you're basically walking these trails
00:47:49
and and a friend of yours could walk on the other and and and really you just have a small tree line separating you
00:47:56
for a while and then it extends it extends it extends and you get a little further and further from one another but
00:48:01
what I'm getting at is somebody could sit there could post up on the 505 down there near the creek and you
00:48:10
could spot people coming I'm guessing because I've never been there but I would think that you might be able to
00:48:17
see people approaching the bridge from your Viewpoint and if you see what you think
00:48:25
to be your possible victims mhm there it's just two people there's nobody else with them and there's nobody else around
00:48:32
or on the bridge at that time that's when you you don't have to go back out to that main trail you could cut across
00:48:38
and really you're going to end up right at the front of the bridge and so at 207 they're
00:48:45
fine let this guy didn't take seven minutes to move across that bridge he moved across that bridge in in
00:48:51
five or four he he was faster he was moving faster than if somebody was watching their steps mhm he scooted
00:49:00
across that bridge that puts us at 12 after two and then he is if we're to believe that the eyewitness statement is
00:49:10
correct and it is in fact Bridge guy then that puts him back at that intersection of the trail an hour one
00:49:19
hour later so a lot of things have happened during that time and I'm with you though Captain if you were to plan
00:49:25
this thing out perfectly once you see them get to the other side of the bridge they're completely compromised now you
00:49:31
go well all most likely anybody that could help them or anybody could that could view what I'm doing they're on the
00:49:39
back they're on this other side of the bridge right the girls are on the opposite side of the bridge that's where
00:49:45
I'm going to get them that's where I'm going to take control if you I mean you just watch the words and you you map out
00:49:51
a quick little location of where they were found you can see down the hill across this little uh driveway that that
00:49:59
actually looks like a road and then it's down the hill more across the creek and
00:50:04
then they're found right there both of their bodies are found right there if you were to plan this out perfectly you
00:50:11
probably would have parked your vehicle in the graveyard where there are little roads that go back by the trees you
00:50:18
could have put your vehicle over there and after killing them you could have walked through the woods up to the
00:50:25
graveyard never going on a trail again mhm the only Trail you have anywhere near you on that opposite side of Deer
00:50:33
Creek are the horse trails for Ron Logan's Farm but those aren't those are horse trails they're not traveled by the
00:50:41
the people that are visiting the bridge or the park so that would be if if you wanted to to not be seen after the
00:50:49
attack that would be your where you would really want to park your car now the issue could be though he he didn't
00:50:57
know that he didn't know exactly where he was going to do this attack or exactly how it was going to go down and
00:51:05
maybe his vehicle was left elsewhere beforehand MH and one thought is the the vehicle that was parked at the abandoned
00:51:14
building which that would have required him to go back up that trail and in the opposite way you would probably try to
00:51:21
walk off the trail as much as possible but at some point you might have to pop back onto that that trail well it's
00:51:28
getting hard to kind of visualize some of this stuff because like the entrance where the girls were dropped off at I
00:51:36
believe they have like a new gate there so that looks different than the day of of the murders and then where the
00:51:44
abandoned car was there's no aband or well where the car was by the abandoned building there's no abandoned building
00:51:53
anymore so uh um but it kind of looks like a little Service Road in between like a
00:51:59
highway where that car would be parked and then it would be facing depending on where you're parking you'd be looking
00:52:06
right at the freedom Bridge yeah so you have yeah you have the what was that Highway
00:52:13
25 is right there on your on to your left here's an interesting thing to think of though too okay so if that was
00:52:23
his car at the parked at the abandoned building he would have had to walk back up the 50 the 501 Trail the the most
00:52:33
heavily traveled Trail and make his way up that way most likely I'm sure there's probably ways to
00:52:41
do that but keep in mind you have the mir's farm a lot of this property right here are the is belongs to the Mir
00:52:47
family or mir's family and remember you you mentioned that Mike Patty looks something like the bridge guy in your
00:52:54
opinion he he might not have been able to been mistaken for bridge guy because given
00:53:03
the timeline we have he would not have been at the park or near the bridge at the time that the witness saw Bridge
00:53:12
guy but their statement in the press conference from 422 of this year their exact words police were we are seeking
00:53:21
The public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old
00:53:27
CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Deli that was abandoned on the east side
00:53:35
of County Road 300 North next to the hoer Harland Highway that's also Highway 25 between the hours of noon to 5 on
00:53:44
February 14th 2017 and then it says in this presser uh note it has been updated that date was misspoken it should have
00:53:53
been February 13th which was the day the girls went missing so this CPS DCS welfare building was a um like a like a
00:54:03
child support building at one time right and so it was like a government city building but it was abandoned at the
00:54:13
time on February 13 2017 they're asking for the driver of a vehicle and well it makes you wonder are
00:54:23
they just going okay we we saw this vehicle nobody in it or saying hey uh we want to identify the driver of this
00:54:33
vehicle are they saying that there's a there was a driver in it at that time um I I don't know it's not clear
00:54:42
enough no right and so that changes the whole dynamic right we're looking for this driver that was
00:54:50
in the car that changes the whole dynamic right if you were parked there there or know who cuz they're saying the
00:54:56
driver if you were parked there or you know who was parked there it's like were you in the car yeah the car didn't kill
00:55:03
the girls they're they're looking for an individual well no but what I'm saying is that you know they're not saying
00:55:09
we're we're looking for the owner of the car no they're saying the driver of the
00:55:15
car right somebody put that car there somebody moved that car later right that's who they're looking for saying if
00:55:22
going on to say if you parked there or know who was parked there Polie contact the officers at the command post at the
00:55:29
deli city building but again that doesn't mean that that that is your killer but that's
00:55:37
a very quick way to go when you start going okay well where did he park because that's that's a really big
00:55:42
question that nobody usually gets to when they start talking about Deli in my opinion is this guy left some way he
00:55:50
left the area somehow he fled the area after the attack we don't know what time he got there we can assume I would
00:56:00
assume he probably arrived before the girls did he may have arrived long enough before where he was he's waiting
00:56:07
this thing out and looking for a victim I don't I don't feel like it's highly likely that he just arrives and
00:56:15
immediately spots a victim that doesn't seem likely to me there were other people there that
00:56:22
day he didn't choose some of them in my opinion right right well and I I think that's why if this is premeditated like
00:56:33
the sense that they this killer knew going in going to this park going to these trails that he's going to do this
00:56:40
you know the the service road by the bridge you know down the hill like like we said whether it's a driveway or
00:56:47
service Bridge or a service road or or well it's it's a road that becomes a a driveway to a residence right and then
00:56:55
but then there's also once you cross the water a little bit further down I believe there's some access there
00:57:03
further down I believe that if the person knew this Killer goes there knowing they're going to try to do this
00:57:11
that their truck or car is going to be parked somewhere there not so much at an entrance or at a
00:57:19
where people could see this individual that's my gut feeling oh yeah no I agree 100% with you that's
00:57:27
why I said he would have been parked in the the graveyard would be the would be the most likely spot I mean and the the
00:57:34
problem with parking so so where you would put your vehicle if you wanted to park
00:57:40
closest all right it would be the whole thing the whole thing's a crime scene right the whole place is a crime scene
00:57:46
from the minute he stepped on the ground to the moment he left every everything that his feet touched is a crime scene
00:57:53
however if you were to plan this out in great detail and everything go your way then ideally you would park you
00:58:02
would want your vehicle I believe to be as close to the ending point of your crime scene right than the beginning
00:58:10
point of your crime scene because you're going to if this is a messy murder there's any number of ways that
00:58:18
you can look different at the end of this crime than you would walking step stepping foot onto the crime scene for
00:58:26
the first time yeah you know we already talked about his jeans likely were wet he he went through the water at some
00:58:31
point that day we there's no question about that unless he unless this [ __ ] can hover he went through the water that
00:58:40
day okay that would make a good shirt and then on top of that he very likely could have had blood on his person or on
00:58:47
his belonging somewhere and either of those are giant red flags keep they were looking for
00:58:53
missing girls that day they weren't looking looking for murdered girls that day they were looking for missing girls
00:58:58
that day they weren't looking for a murder suspect that day he got away he fled pretty
00:59:05
undetected whether he was seen by the flannel shirt guy or not he fled pretty undetected so if if you were to map this
00:59:13
thing out and carry it out the exact way that you would want to ideally you want
00:59:17
to put your vehicle as close to the ending point of the crime and the crimes in the crime scene as possible well
00:59:25
right and instead of just having it on a residential drive or or some other road
00:59:32
that that would stick out like a sore thumb but if you park at the at the graveyard right yeah if you park at the
00:59:41
here's the problem with that very spot you could park at the graveyard and be okay I would think the other the areas
00:59:48
that are as close to you as the graveyard mind you we're going from right where the bodies were found the
00:59:55
other areas that you could park that would be close to you at that point that's private property that that
01:00:00
belongs belongs to Ron Logan that belongs to the mir's family that seems quite a bit more risky
01:00:07
to me than parking at the graveyard yeah unless unless you know you know Logan's whereabouts or you
01:00:18
know the family but still again if you're going there with the idea that you're going to commit a
01:00:25
crime if you know these individuals you don't want them to be able to say oh yeah I saw I saw this guy's vehicle on
01:00:32
on my property that day I think the graveyard makes the most sense too because it's like there had to be some
01:00:38
other visitors right so it's not so suspicious if you have a car that's you know there's I can't see
01:00:47
anybody here well they might have parked and walked down to a grave and and and spending a little time at the grave I
01:00:54
mean the graveyard was it was it a working graveyard um it seems to be right I I I
01:01:03
I know what you mean I and I sorry for laughing there but I I do think that yes you that it's
01:01:08
still spots are available is what I think you mean by that and if you look at it on Google Map
01:01:16
there is a picture a uh rectangle okay and right off of the road I thought you going somewhere else with that the Ro
01:01:24
West 300 North M so if you look off of 300 North you have the graveyard right there on
01:01:32
one side of the road now the graveyard is lined out like a big rectangle which it has a a a drive you can drive in go
01:01:40
all the way to the back of the property and I believe at the tree line you can actually go across the tree line and
01:01:47
then then head back out the other way so you have two running roads or drives from 3 00 North that basically Encompass
01:01:57
this graveyard there's places to drive and what I'm getting at here too is you could you could drive a fair distance
01:02:05
away from the road and put your vehicle back by by the tree line and there's also a little Center Crossing uh section
01:02:14
as well that you can drive on now I don't know how the width of those if they're you know two lanes both ways or
01:02:21
if it's just a single Lane usually with the in a uh graveyard type setting usually it's just a single Lane to make
01:02:27
it easier for people to access different parts of the graveyard to to visit uh people but here's another really
01:02:36
interesting thought Captain we have an eyewitness several eyewitnesses actually saying that they saw an
01:02:45
individual who's not come forward we don't know who either of them are it could just be one person could be
01:02:52
two um I don't want to mix words here here I don't think that there's two killers I think there's one killer well
01:02:58
I think the cops would know that based off the the audio and video footage yeah and but here's the thing with there
01:03:05
being no vehicle description police love a vehicle description they would rather have a
01:03:12
vehicle description than a person description they love it it's easier to find the car it's easier to find the car
01:03:19
it's harder to harder to hide the car we don't have one here so I wonder a little bit did this guy arrive on foot
01:03:28
and leave on foot now it seems a little confusing maybe to people that are not from the area but if you do a type up
01:03:38
some some maps you know bring up any map and look at the maps and you you bring up some directions and you play around
01:03:46
with it one thing I found you could walk you actually the distance is shorter walking than it is driving because the
01:03:53
way that the roads are laid La out in this particular area so you could walk from the middle of the moanin High
01:04:01
Bridge M and you could be at East Main Street Deli and it's a 1.2 mile walk you would
01:04:13
have to go over the freedom bridge for the shortest route but that would be the direction that it's believed that bridge
01:04:19
guy if in fact he was the killer M but the the flannel shirtman says that he saw Bridge guy on the 501 Trail heading
01:04:30
toward the freedom bridge at about 310 to 320 somebody could walk that's crazy somebody could walk from the middle of
01:04:39
the moaning High Bridge to East Main Street Deli be be in Deli at 1.2 miles right so about 15 to
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17 minutes yeah 15 to 20 minutes well let me tell you a little story to open up some possibilities I I
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I'll make it quick so I I would intern for a long time as a recording engineer at this point like I I I didn't do a lot
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of sessions I didn't I had knowledge of this stuff but I I I have never done it myself other than like maybe brining in
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some of my buddies to record so they said uh my boss says to me hey there's a night session do you
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want to do it and of course I was nervous and said no I don't really want to do it he goes well no I'm going to
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set it up it's easy two microphones on this piano all you have to do is hit record
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and stop the guy he's he's from Athens Ohio what that about an hour and a half away yeah roughly a drive mhm he's from
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Athens he's a great kind of Jazzy bluesy piano player we had this great piano but
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it wasn't tuned and we had some rattles in the lowend but the guy didn't really care it was this demo and so my boss was
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giving him a discount because the piano wasn't working perfectly so we go and record three or
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four tunes and after after two or three songs this gu is playing live he'd come back in and listen this guy's very
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scruffy he has um a book bag with him in a guitar case you know that you would wear as book bag so I go out to make
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some coffee and then I go out to my car and I realize he has no car there and I'm thinking well this is
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strange so we we're almost done with the session and I see he has this guitar case so I unzip the guitar case CU I
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just want to see what guitar he has in the bag right um I shouldn't have done that but
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I did anyways there was a I see um a gun and at this point I'm freaked out of my
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mind so in the session uh I I I I'm back in the day I had have to make a CD for him here you go take this with you and I
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said uh somebody coming to get you uh and he said yeah so he he leaves pays I clean up the studio go to leave probably
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5 minutes after him I start driving I don't see him anywhere around you you know remember the studio is really far
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back mhm 5 minutes later I'm I'm driving Pro uh 33 and I see him walking this guy walked all the way from
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Athens set up a recording session walked all the way from Athens played his songs took paid me
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took the CD and started walking back mhm now I don't know if he was meeting somebody somewhere but he was walking on
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the freeway my point of this long story was cuz one I I always think about that gun and how much how freaked out I
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was but the point of the story is this individual could have walked from really far
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away and I I hate to be the guy that to say there's so many possibilities but this guy booked a
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session walked an hour and a half played five or six songs and then took off walking back it's not out of the realm
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of possibilities well and not only that in this situation I'm I'm bringing this up for a couple different reasons one
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East Main Street Deli one mile 1.2 miles from the bridge 15 20 minutes yeah so this guy I mean there's there's
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plenty of houses over there this guy could have lived in a neighborhood near there and just walked home he could have
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parked anywhere really within 1.2 miles of the bridge he could have parked in any of these neighborhoods that are a
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mile and a half from the bridge yeah and so he doesn't necessarily have to be parked at the abandoned building or
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parked in the graveyard or parked on Ron Logan's property he very likely could have been parked in an area that nobody
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would found to have been suspicious at all because it's a a heavy heavily traveled area it's it's an area where
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there's a lot of cars parked on the side of the road or he parks in a in a busy parking lot somewhere but you have to be
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careful of those areas because if it's a busy parking lot then you have the possibility of being seen if you're
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covered in blood mud or water right you know so I I get what you're saying and and and that's what's
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so frustrating about this case though is as every time I'm I'm looking into it I
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start feeling like I'm getting somewhere and then the doors of the possibility just are blown open and and I
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wonder I I wonder if it's going to be another situation where if we don't hear anything in in 6 months to year if
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they're going to have to keep putting out information that they know cuz they have to be getting a lot of leads I mean
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this kid is highly covered on YouTube I mean there's seems like there's a million armchair detectives working on
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this case like solely working on this case not like hey we covered this case and we moved on to another case the
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following week like people that are just like that's all they're doing well and that's why I think it's important to
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