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[Applause] [Music] there will be spoilers is anybody watching True Detective season
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3 that's the question the captain's watching I raised my hand I ra raed one I raised a foot that's but that's good
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podcast my friends is when you raise your hand and nobody can you give them the visuals with with no ability to see
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you yeah can you you can't hear me raise my hand so we will talk some true crime
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on this episode but we're going to talk some True Detective first because it is on our brains cuz good lord it's good
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it's very good so I all right so let's talk about the the uh Seasons okay we have season one two and now we're on
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three and I'm not going to lie uh and I think a lot of people Felt This Way season 2 was was a let down compared to
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Season One MH uh it doesn't seem like it was well received my overall opinion of
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season two is this I thought it started off fairly decent I thought it started off well the actors that were chosen and
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actresses that were chosen for season 2 I thought was great casting I thought that was a home run for
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me I think the story got convoluted like it was it was got confusing after a while and some parts were confusing
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enough that at the end of an episode this is in the second half of season 2 I was asking myself well why do I care so
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much because it didn't grip Me the Way That season 1 did season 1 we all know was a huge hit well the answer to that
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question is you didn't care as much because it wasn't as good right and I think sometimes we've seen this time and
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time before and we will see it time and time again season 1 set the bar so high for themselves it was it was almost
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difficult to achieve that level of greatness again however I think with season three they've hit a home run I
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think that they are achieving that same level of greatness I actually find myself a little more intrigued
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with season 3 than I was at this point into season 1 and and what I when I say at this point so you said there will be
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spoilers however this will we will be talking about this will be released a week after episode 4 so by this point if
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you're listening episode 5 should be out will be out and unless you were watching
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the Super Bowl which you know only millions and millions and millions of people will be uh you may not be caught
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up to this point or whatever ever but as the captain said there will be spoilers
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so if this is something you're looking forward to watching or you needed the right push to get you to watch yeah this
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should be the push right here because season 3 has been fantastic so far with True Detective yeah and I've been
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getting a little bit of criticism because I said this could end up being as good if not better than season 1 and
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season one I've stated multiple times that I think it might be the best single series that I've ever seen on
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TV um maybe Freaks and Geeks might rival that as far as a one seon thing one season story yeah and so what's cool if
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you don't know anything about True Detective it's on HBO it's not they're not sponsoring this episode but it's on
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HBO and season one was great season two you know I just never got into and then season seon 3 has been mindblowing but
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if you're wondering hey do I have to go watch season 1 and two to know what's going on no no they're new actors every
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season and what's nice about True Detective is they're able to get top-of-the-line A-list celebrities M to
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work on these shows for one season MH and really it's because of uh Woody and and and Matthew MCC are all right all
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right all right that they really started off this season right I mean or the series right mhm and so I think that's
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why we have such amazing actors in season 3 well and I think these are actors coming forward and saying we want
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to be a part of this yeah this is that good that we want to be a part of this and the the casting for season 3 is
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incredible and and I say that having seen four episodes I mean that the acting from from top to bottom is is legit it's
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very good and the writing is very good as well so what's going on so far is we have two
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detectives and basically the story is set in the 80s the '90s and then today yeah 2015 though I believe right
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right so the the general overview that I have right in front of me and I think this is from
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heavy.com yeah um IMDb or you know I actually I take that back I don't know who it's from okay I was going to give
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somebody credit but I actually don't know where I got where I copied this from but the the general overview as
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stated on this particular website is True Detective season 3 plays out in three separate time periods telling the
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story of the 1980 disappearance of a young Arkansas boy and his sister and a mystery that deepens over decades well
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and this is a story there's so many points of this story and this is going to give some stuff away a little bit but
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I'm not going to try to ruin every episode for you but we know that there's detectives we know they're working two
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missing person cases two missing children cases yes so that's one Avenue true if you're a true uh crime fan you
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love that at some point we realized that somebody wrote a book about this case so
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true crime lovers love true crime books somebody wrote A True Crime book about this crime that's awesome mhm and then
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at some point one of the lead detectives that worked this case not only in 1980 but also again in
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1990 is later being interviewed for a true crime documentary yeah and that's another
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thing that true crime people love so it's almost like when they're writing this story they said we need to bring in
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these things that all True Crime lovers love right and and by doing that I think
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it it has made it a very compelling story yeah and it's detective Wayne Hayes is the main character purple hay
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purple Hayes yeah that's a cool nickname and his partner is Ronald uh West mhm or Roland West I'm
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sorry Roland but uh so you have these two detectives who are working this missing person's case and it's taking
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place in Arkansas which adds an extra hint of almost a true element from you know cases that we've seen in the past
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dare we dare we say should we say well I feel like we're walking on eggshells here no I think the the thing about this
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case is there there's definitely some hints maybe not even intentionally but there definitely seems like some hints
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of West Memphis 3 mhm now different victims uh different you know as far as we have missing victims and not three
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murdered victims but there's also things like what what's the one place called Devils Devil's Den Devil's Den so kind
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of like Robin Hood West Memphis 3 right and it being in Arkansas as well um you know I love when like you said who knows
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if this was intentional or not not M but I love I'm not a huge Fiction guy but when I'm reading a fiction of who done
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it a mystery a murder mystery I love when it seems to me that the author took to took real life cases and worked some
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of those angles into the story I always find it a little more intriguing for me well and also we're only four episodes
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in so there's a lot of wh ifs at this point pretty early on on you figure out that because like I said they're going
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from 1980 to 1990 at some point you figure out out pretty quickly that somebody has been held responsible for
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this case mhm in the sense of an arrest or a conviction but we don't we don't know
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exactly who that person is that they've held responsible or if they should have been held
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responsible right because because what's happening in in 2015 in the story when they're doing the True Crime documentary
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is it's hinting at there's new information that the detectives never had and that they should have had but it
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was a cover up and they actually Brin up the Franklin Scandal um which yeah they out you're
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right they the um the lady that's doing the documentary she's kind of the host maybe executive producer of this
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fictitious documentary that they're doing MH she she asked she specifically asked the detective if he had ever heard
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of the the Franklin scandle right which is funny because he says no and I keep thinking if you're from that area and
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you're in law enforcement you would have heard of that so I I think it's kind of
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a but I he's not from that area so that I think that's what makes it um wait the
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Franklin Scandal but what I'm saying is like he's in law enforcement and he's been in law enforcement since the 80s
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I'm just saying you would think that he would have heard of the Scandal maybe he
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wouldn't know much about it but that would be almost like asking a detective hey have you heard of John Bay Ramsey
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case you know or west Memphis case like there's a lot of detectives that we've talked to and that's one of the things
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that has always fascinated me if you're a true crime lover you think that these guys that are detectives or cops that
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they're they're living the dream job right because they actually get to work on the
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case but once you start talking to the some of these detectives and you go hey West Memphis 3 what do you know about it
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a lot of them they don't know anything other than oh yeah three boys were murdered oh yeah I heard something about
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that yeah they have a a brief or general overview of of the actual case may even
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have an opinion on it but from my experience those detectives typically haven't spent
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much time looking into them into these cases because they're working they're working their own yeah so it's not like
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they go home when they're supposed to be thinking about missing you know John Doe
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that's missing in their Town they're not sitting there researching Brian schaer's
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missing you know disappearance or Mara Murray's case they're they're working on their own cases mhm
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so but to me it seems like something that he would have known about but again again it's 2015 and the guy purple
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Hayes's character uh detective Hayes he has a hard time remember in anything well he's getting up there in age right
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and he's losing some of his memories and some of his you know abilities so that's
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possibly why he never heard of it but it is fascinating because there is there's
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one the wh if of who did this mhm one are the victim you know are the victims dead or alive
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mhm and then was somebody found responsible that shouldn't have been found responsible so there's so many wh
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ifs right now so I'm just telling you do yourself a favor and if you want to really dive into something I mean I mean
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it's really to the point where I clicked on it yesterday I watched it yesterday I
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clicked on it it was like 9:30 so once once uh normally the way the streaming works is that you can watch it online
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once it's released to the public so you could start right at 9:00 I started at 9:30 and right when I click play it will
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tell you how long the episode is and I think episode 3 was like 45 minutes and I was like only 45 right you want it to
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be longer and last night it was like an hour and 15 and I thought this is going to be great I mean it's
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really um like a great movie that's not complete every episode well and I love the platform of the premium channels
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compared to your regular networks where they the networks are more beholden to that time frame that time slot that they
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have and I think with something being on premium channels you the writers and the
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producers have and directors have more liberties with that yeah more control of that time frame that time slot to go you
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know what this is the this is where we picked up from last week and this is where this weekends we don't care if
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it's 45 minutes or an hour and 10 we you know this is this is the stopping part yeah and look episode 4 has one of the
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best Cliffhangers I've ever oh it's very good seen in television history I mean we should really stop sucking the [ __ ]
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of the TV show True Crime or True Detective and probably actually talk True Crime well just real quick before
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we move on you're exactly right but before we move on what was what made you did you finish season two of True
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Detective no cuz some people bailed on it I mean I just never got into it but when I watched season one uh you know I
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might go back and watch it because now I have HBO like the streaming service M but when I watch True Detective I
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actually had to buy it so so I bought it all and then I ended up like being able
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to watch a couple episodes I think of season 2 and then just never and I'm a Rachel McAdams fan and just never really
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got into it but what made you go back to season 3 because what I what I have to believe is
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happening or or happen four weeks ago right right but I have a feel I have a feeling that a lot of people that bailed
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on season 2 or didn't like season 2 are not giving season 3 a chance oh they will I mean after the after the the
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water cooler talk oh yeah because anybody I've said hey you got to watch True Detective they're like I've heard
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it's really good yeah you go okay well now the word trailer looked really good the trailer was really good but I H I
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have to uh thank you my friend because you were I think I probably would have watched it on my own but I think you
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were the push that I needed to get into it early on because I I saw the trailer a couple times I was like man that looks
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really good but I was still a little still a little gunshy31 one and maybe two before I did and
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you're like yeah it's really good and you were you were the only person that mentioned it to me before I watched any
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of it so I thank you for giving me that push cuz my initial thought was well I'm
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going to let these build up till they get to like six or seven episodes and start watching and then that way if I
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hate it I've not invested the time you know and I can just walk away from it but uh you were the push that I needed
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to to start and so I started a few days behind you but uh we're on we're all on the same level now yeah I think you
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finished four before me but but I also think like if you look at you know what was happening in season
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one especially like Russ's character um the character Russ and that in that is he's this
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very um kind of loner type but very into True Crime and taking all of his knowledge
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from any case he's ever heard of and trying to look at every angle of the case and he's kind of quiet to
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himself um very unique character and the trailers I think for season 3 kind of showed that now where in season one The
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Detectives aren't really friends they kind of butt heads the whole Time season 3 they kind of butt heads but they're
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more friends but I think it's that character Purple Haze or I should probably call him detective because he's
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he deserves my right but his character seems to enjoy the purple hay nickname yeah but it's
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like you know he's the same kind of detective he's the detective you want or at least I want when I'm watching a true
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crime show even if it's fiction which I guess I guess that's not true crime at that point but when I'm watching a crime
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show I want the detective to be that type of character right because if somebody called me up even though you
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know I'm the sidekick uh saying stupid comments in the corner if I was going to investigate a case I
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wouldn't be showing up you know making douche canoe um flicky flicky jokes I'd be you know reserved and and yeah I
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don't know um and so that's that's the character if I was going to play a detective that's kind of the detective
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I'd play or want to play you know they should eventually call me I should be and that's going to be on my bucket list
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I need to be in one of the episodes of True Detective even if I'm like one of the suspects or
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anything like I I could do it you you uh you hit on something there that I think
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is very very spoton so season one I mean the case that they were investigating was interesting was fascinating but but
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the glue that held it together for me was a lot of the interaction between the two detectives and season two I thought
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that was lacking big time and season three brought that back you have great interaction between these two detectives
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they they both have their own ways and own methods of doing things but they like you said they they butt heads at
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some points but other points they seem to be the only one that's backing up the other detective yeah but whereas in
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season one it seemed like Russ was the lead and even though detective Hayes is the lead at least in the 80s on this
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case uh his partner is not lacking as far as intelligence go no I mean or or or being of an interesting character
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yeah I mean it's just unbelievable acting if there's uh look if if if you watch it tweet out these actors because
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they they deserve some uh praise for what they're doing because this is this is some of the finest work on TV okay
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enough with well and if everybody if everybody loves it you know if it's a big hit and people want to hear our
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opinions more maybe once the season is over oh we'll talk about it again we we'll do another off the record of True
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Detective but um another thing that people have been asking for is an update a lot of people wanted a third episode
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of The jimie Claw story M and typically we would leave updates for this show for
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off the Record and the way that things the way that the news was breaking and our schedules as far as what was already
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on board mhm unfortunately I know we're coming a little late with this but I think it's something we should still
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discuss because people well I don't know I I don't think we're late I actually think we're
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probably early oh well and what I mean by that is we're going to talk to you about some some of some of the stuff
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that we know but there's going to be way more that comes out I think there's going to be some confession I think you
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know could there be possibly more than one person involved it's very possible so there's been an arrest and the news
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that came out when Jaimie was first found there was little to new no news at all it was simply that Jamie Claus had
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escaped the home of her captor and I guess the the way that I understand it to be is this that she she escaped the
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home she flagged down or ran up to a woman that was walking her dog and then the woman grabbed her and said they they
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went to the nearest Home pounded on the door and the gentleman that lived there let them in and the woman that was
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walking her dog looked at you know the guy's like what's wrong what's wrong and and she says to him call 911 this is
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Jamie Claus and so the police obviously very quickly show up after that um this woman and this man helped this this girl
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that who knows what what condition she was in at that point but she was held captive for 88
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days and we talked about this case we did two episodes on it and our episodes were really what everybody else was
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talking about what everybody else was speculating about what happened and why did this happen and so the news has been
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slow coming out but what we've learned since the uh Jamie was found alive and somewhat well you know uh by everything
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that we're being told is that they very quickly arrested a suspect and his name is Jake Thomas Patterson and I don't
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have it in my notes Here Captain but I believe he is 21 years old is what I remember seeing and yeah which is um
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pretty young for a piece of [ __ ] I thought so too um we're we're used to talking about older pieces of [ __ ] yeah
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um so he's arrested and what came out shortly afterwards I think this took a few more days but
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he lived like 60-minute drive from Jaime's family's home yeah which is pretty far
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but they they said that it's believed that he spotted her getting off of the school bus right and then decided to
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Target her with the purpose of taking her and abducting her and this is what led him
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to in the shortest form is kicking the door of her home and then there's a struggle he kills allegedly we should
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say kills Jake um I'm sorry James Claus age 56 and then Jaime's mother Denise Claus age
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46 and drags jimie out of the home and takes him back to takes her back to his home there are some different layers to
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this that are are intriguing and like you said Captain we will find out out a lot more about this once there is an
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actual trial it would be interesting to see what he's willing to admit to because
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there have been some leaks that have come out that sounds like he has talked with police a little bit and in fact
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when they first approached uh this James uh Patterson or Jake Patterson I'm sorry
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there's a James there's a jake anyway so when they were when they approached Jake Patterson I mean again
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the show is called off the record I mean where this is not take a bunch of notes
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and do a show so so we we do have some notes but well but the thing is when they when they approached him what's
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been reported is that he said I know what this is about I did it or I did this something to that effect I don't
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know his exact words but we also have some other things that were leaked out that says that he told
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investigators that he was pretty convinced he got away with this whole thing right and even a little
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bragging about him getting away with it he he has talked about how he disguised his vehicle and he also talked about how
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after the two we Mark once two weeks had gone by he thought he was convinced he had gotten away with all this and I
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believe he told investigators that had she not escaped he would have got away with this 100% now we've seen this in
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the past with other types of of individuals that are similar to this guy they are they do think they're very
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smart they do think they're very intelligent and they do and they like to brag about what they you're right but I
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love the whole if she if she wanted to got out if she want to got free I want to I wouldn't be in jail
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right now no [ __ ] right you know [ __ ] Sherlock I think where that lead me to
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believe what what it leads me to believe is this that let's say at any time she fought
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back enough or became a problem enough for himh with killing her parents I would believe he'd have no problem
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killing her right and for someone to say I I believed I got away with this after
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two weeks it leads me to believe he would have done this again if he would have got rid of Jamie at some point he
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would have probably done something similar to to this in the future and the weird thing this is something we talked
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about with Ed keer and we talked about it more so with BTK and BTK Dennis Raider his exact words referenced a two
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week Mark or 40 you know he said for for anywhere from about 48 hours up to two weeks especially with the first attack
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that he did he felt like for that first two weeks that at any moment like like as soon as he committed the crime
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everybody knew what he did and it was just waiting for them to show up and knock on his door and after a while
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after that period of being paranoid went away he was back out to wanting to hunt
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and troll again for new victims so yeah one of the things that they state is you know it is common for
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individuals who pre on children to not have a lengthy history and but the because the ones that do have a history
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they're already keeping an eye on mhm so I I think that's kind of interesting statement made by law
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enforcement well so some other details that have been leak leaked to the public before we get into those I do
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want to mention I don't believe so Jake Patterson has been arrested but I don't think there's been official
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charges uh laid against him yet at this point because I think they they have they're
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going to have a buffet of charges that you can charge this guy with obviously but I think they want really want to get
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it right as to what their Cas is what the charges 100% will be I could be wrong on that but I I don't know that we
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have a date for his day in court yet and as you pointed out if he is communicating with investigators on some
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of this stuff we might be looking at a confession eventually now if they have enough evidence which I I got to believe
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that they do there's probably plenty of physical evidence putting him at the murder scene as well as putting jimie at
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his home for those 88 days they may not be willing to deal with a confession because they may have a strong enough
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case and say we don't want to deal with this guy he's a double murderer he's an abductor of a child and you know you
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don't have to use your imagination too much else to think of all the other crimes he's probably
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guilty of but we don't want toel and deal with this guy the tricky thing is I I don't believe that there is a death
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penalty in in this state right so mandatory what he would be facing would be two life sentences plus a bunch of
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other stuff tacked on for his other crimes maybe like life plus 80 years or something never getting out again we
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don't care that you're only 21 years old well it states that Jamie could hear the
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sirens when when she was bound and she was dragged from her home she could actually hear the sirens and then they
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say the suspect Jake Patterson uh even told detectives that he had to yield to the uh the the sheriffs and the deputies
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that were racing towards the home the responders had to go past him yeah and he had to actually like get out of the
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way mhm um you know 80 mile 80 Mile Drive okay I mean you know not that this guy was bril brilliant I'm not saying
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that at all but what I'm saying is you're 80 Mi away from the crime scene you're way more likely not to get caught
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mhm you're way more likely that within 80 miles like you said if he did Kill Jamie
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and put her in the woods somewhere which he was maybe planning on cuz he even said something to the fact that hunting
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season was almost over and with hunting season almost being over he could then dispose of the body in the wood
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and then you go it be that much longer until she would be found cuz as we've discussed a lot of times they are a
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victim will be found a body will be found by hunters at the next season well and if he's willing to drive 80 miles to
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get the victim then who's to say where he puts the body after hunting season so let's say he drove two or 300 miles away
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then you'd be you now if if those remains are even found by hunters The Following Season mhm Where do they start
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looking at that point yeah would they be able to connect it to this guy and you know they had some evidence and leads
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and stuff that they were working in the beginning of this case when it first broke but they didn't seem to have
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anything leading them to Jake Patterson there's no evidence out there that they spoke with Jake Patterson any time
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before she escaped his home right now so she's held there for 88 days and there are a couple things here
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too that that went on during the course of of this 888 days I I'm a little blurry on his a little confused about
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his work you know what what he was doing for a living his employment during the course of this 88 days but I do know
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that there was uh a day that he left his home for approximately 12 hours as she was being kept in his home he went to
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visit one of his grandparents right and this was a 12-hour visit taking the risk
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of her getting out during this time and then there was the other strange story that was leaked was that on Christmas
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day he had visitors to his home while she was still being held captive and the police were very quick to say we have no
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reason to believe 100% that that any of these visitors to his home had any idea that Jake Patterson was involved in the
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Abduction of Jaimie CLA or that he was holding her there obviously well I mean again it's 80 miles away so it's it's
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like you know that the crime happened obviously it's a big deal is Nationwide it's probably talked about worldwide but
00:32:37
you start going okay even our son's a little weird our friend's a little weird but he's 80 mil away mhm what are the
00:32:46
chances right and he had no connection to her so the fact you know you got law enforcement saying well heck you got
00:32:54
somebody that's 80 mil away and has no connection you know so Patterson's not on the Rad
00:33:01
Radar for anybody right not law enforcement not his friends he has no criminal record right so but the one
00:33:08
thing I want to do bring up again about the hunting season was the detectives after hunting season were
00:33:16
over they were shocked that they didn't get anything they thought well somebody's going to find something but
00:33:23
when nothing was found this is their gut feeling of somebody's holding her some where and that she's alive was
00:33:29
reconfirmed by that after hunting season as well cuz they're going well heck there nobody found anything so she must
00:33:36
be alive mhm and um and that that's probably a very difficult thing for for everybody to uh that's working on the
00:33:45
case now you're going well [ __ ] we still think she's alive somewhere yeah and and
00:33:52
the thing that we pondered on our episodes about Jamie CL was we threw out the theory and others
00:34:01
did as well could have jimie have been involved in any way at all because we've seen
00:34:07
cases in the past where a parent or a husband or a wife are killed and then the you know one of the other people
00:34:14
living at the home disappears and then later you find out that they had some involvement and they brought somebody
00:34:21
else in to to help assist with with this crime these crimes these murders and obviously now we know that that that's
00:34:28
not the case here but what I find intriguing about this is as soon as I found out that boom she she didn't have
00:34:35
anything to do with this MH my first thought in memory was thinking of the very brief description we're given of
00:34:44
the 911 call when when it's believed that her mother or either Jamie was attempting to call 911 and the brief
00:34:52
description you got at the time was that there was a lot of commotion a lot of yelling going on in the background or
00:34:59
you know of that call and so you have to wonder was there enough information on that call that law enforcement actually
00:35:09
knew or firmly believed that she wasn't involved in the crime but didn't release
00:35:16
that because we know they didn't release that that's why everybody was speculating that that could be a
00:35:20
possibility yeah but they did state that there it was their belief that she wasn't involved correct so but okay so
00:35:27
what we do know is he he has been charged and he's going to face two counts of first-degree um intentional homicide and
00:35:35
that's going to happen his I think his first uhe um preliminary preliminary hearing yeah is uh February 6 so that's
00:35:44
when he will officially be charged yeah but what's interesting here is what we said um I'm I'm just looking this this
00:35:51
was a new I think when we talked about this I looked up some old stuff this is the newest that just just came out uh in
00:35:59
the last 24 hours so they're saying that that's what he's going to be charged with the hearing starts February 6 but
00:36:06
they actually don't believe that they're going to charge him with any crimes that
00:36:11
happened during her her being captive by him uh they don't anticipate filing any
00:36:17
charges against Patterson for crimes committed during J's captivity so I wonder if that just means
00:36:25
that we have enough evidence this is a sign delivered I'm Yours uh case right and he's going to do two life sentences
00:36:37
he'll never get out and so why waste the time to do anymore and and the reason why I think well Double
00:36:46
Jeopardy it's not so much waste the time I think I think it's it's holding ammunition behind so if for some reason
00:36:55
there's some strange reason that he does not get convicted of this then you move
00:36:59
forward and go all right Cole we didn't get you on the double homicide but we're
00:37:03
going to get you for which will the double homicide will very likely include breaking and entering and some other
00:37:09
little charges as well right but if they can't get him on that for some strange reason I think it would have to be very
00:37:16
strange that he doesn't get convicted of that that then they can go all right well we're going to we're now we're
00:37:21
going to charge them with kidnapping and these other charges uh that that were a
00:37:26
result of the kidnapping well and I think this is one of the ways of protecting Jamie because they don't
00:37:31
have to actually have her be a witness or testify to anything at this point so by doing that if you can just get the
00:37:39
person to either confess or plead guilty then or or you just again get him convicted sorry Nick's Nick's smoking
00:37:53
weed in the garage trying to hold it in as long as I could no we'll just keep it who cares
00:38:02
um he's not smoking weed he just he just can't talk properly um so I think that's their way
00:38:10
of keeping Jamie out of this and again I guess again if he got off on something then I guess you could say well hell we
00:38:18
could uh charge him with these other crimes and we have an eyewitness so and that also means that she doesn't have to
00:38:24
be in the courtroom and she doesn't have to face this dirt bag again yeah hopefully it's something as simple as
00:38:30
she can give a statement and they're able to use that in court um sorry I took a drink and I was trying to breathe
00:38:39
at the same time you can't do that apparently uh if you study science you would know you can't breathe and drink
00:38:46
at the same time because then you inhale liquid which will then cause you to cough and talk the way I'm talking well
00:38:53
a lot of people don't know that when you were studying a computer that you were also so studying science that's right
00:38:59
and I'm working on a method of inhaling liquid yes and when we figure that out we'll let you know but uh so the the
00:39:08
visitors to his home so kind of circling back here MH on Christmas for my understanding was his father and maybe a
00:39:18
girlfriend and then I I'm unclear if it was a separate visit or part of the same
00:39:23
visit his sister along with a friend of hers as well and again point out that the investigators have already said
00:39:31
publicly there's no reason to believe that they knew anything that was going on during their visit or even up to the
00:39:38
point of her escaping yeah I mean I think a lot of people are going to go how did you not know well you just they
00:39:44
didn't know the the there's no evidence that these that anybody that's related to them is is a pile of [ __ ] just
00:39:51
because he's a pile of [ __ ] doesn't mean that people in his family are piles of
00:39:54
[ __ ] but I will tell you that I've been having this little gut feeling lately that I'm going to be in a situation
00:40:02
right okay I I just have this gut feeling that I'm going to be in a situation I I don't know when or or what
00:40:09
kind of situation if it's going to be a big situation a little situation but I feel like I'm going to be in a situation
00:40:16
at some point just have this gut feeling and um but I feel like it's going to be similar
00:40:23
to one of these what if you're at Christmas you go visit your son at Christmas and all of a sudden you hear
00:40:30
in the closet you know you feel like this is a possibility for your life that that you
00:40:37
will be in a situation where you're going to go to someone's home no no not but similar to it okay like one of those
00:40:45
situations of what do you do like you're at McDonald's and a guy pulls a gun and
00:40:50
decides to rob the place and you're right behind him and you have a frying pan right mhm what do you do and I I I
00:41:01
do feel like the U there's just this gut feeling called intuition you know maybe
00:41:05
in a couple weeks I'll tell you I stopped the bank robbery who knows well was it Samuel Jackson that attempted to
00:41:12
rob the McDonald's and coming to America and and uh Eddie Murphy stopped it with
00:41:18
a mop was it a mop that he used to stop that hold up yeah and you know why he's able to do that why cuz the royal penis
00:41:26
was clean um I remember watching that movie a lot when I was a kid and there's that scene
00:41:36
where like before he goes to Queens New York they're washing him and then the lady pops up and it must have been on TV
00:41:44
and they must have edited that part out but I remember watching that as an adult
00:41:48
and she pops up out of the water and she goes the royal penis is clean and I remember thinking I watched this a lot
00:41:54
when I was a kid well you know what when when ha when we were kids aha what I seem to remember is most of the cable
00:42:03
networks this isn't regular TV but most of the cable networks didn't censor anything like it they just played the
00:42:10
movie as is so if you saw PG-13 or R-rated movie it was pretty much as it was in the theater um but back to the
00:42:20
case real quick you know talking about well no no I want to answer that question sorry what you do
00:42:28
what do you do I mean you're hearing noises even if you heard a help me right like now now this dude let's say it's
00:42:37
your buddy right you go over go over to Morgan's house right and you're hanging out with Morgan and all of a sudden in
00:42:45
the basement you hear help me right like this is your buddy or this is your son or this is your you know what I mean or
00:42:53
the his his sister came over so that's your brother like what the hell do you do do you go
00:42:59
hey man we got to look in your basement or do you start you know I think I'd probably start with what's going on in
00:43:06
here you you politely excuse yourself and call the authorities oh so you could pretend that
00:43:15
you didn't hear anything I hope that I could in that situation you don't know I mean you
00:43:21
might have you probably have a gut Rea like I'm just saying I I don't mean to laugh at a situation but it's almost
00:43:27
like you go uh do you have a parrot you know you can't say that cuz you don't want to don't want them to know that you
00:43:36
heard the well so I'm just saying that like those are situations it's just like when the lady in the park walking her
00:43:42
dog comes up and the girl's like you know I'm Jamie Claus and and she's like she kind of knew who she was but it's
00:43:50
like again what do you do in that situation and I think um you know and look I I know that has nothing to do
00:43:58
with the case but I think there's a lot of times in these cases at least when we're going over them where I Ponder to
00:44:04
myself what the hell would I do well and I think I think a lot of I think everyone out there does the same thing
00:44:11
and so when jimie ran up to that woman walking her dog I believe she said I'm Jamie Claus and I don't know where I
00:44:19
don't know where I am or anything about this town or what town I'm in um but I don't think that lady knew much about it
00:44:27
she probably knew the name and that might that might have been it I right but then they brought her to a
00:44:32
neighbor's house right and when they brought her to the neighbor's house the guy has been following the story right
00:44:37
so then he's like oh [ __ ] this is the girl that I've been you know looking up information at at night probably
00:44:44
listening to True Crime garage talk about it and now going she's in my living room I mean that would be like
00:44:52
Brian Schaefer knocking on my door mhm or or you know U going to the gas station and running into Mara Murray MH
00:45:02
like that's crazy well so I guess gives you something to ponder as well and what
00:45:08
you're talking about is very similar to uh Ariel Castro who was yeah he kept three girls who ended up you know they
00:45:17
grew up into be women I believe they were all adults once they were found one of them escaped but he kept them in his
00:45:24
home for years and years and years and I read stories that he he was a musician and he would host band practice or uh
00:45:32
get togethers with other musicians in his home to get together and play music together and he's been giving local
00:45:39
artists a bad name for well and all those people years later are going I I had no clue you know I had no clue there
00:45:44
was nothing in there in my experience while I was in his home to tip me off that this was going on well it's kind of
00:45:52
like when you look at like um um Silence of the Lamb when you look at that layout it's like
00:46:00
it's very unclear Buffalo Bill's house it's almost seems like there's a basement under the
00:46:09
basement mhm maybe there was maybe there wasn't so then you just go with this uh
00:46:14
Patterson guy right what was his setup like you know did he and then well we do we do what has been leaked is this is
00:46:24
that he when he was not there when Patterson was not at the home or when these people came over to his home he
00:46:32
kept her under a twin bed it doesn't say if it was his bed or or or not I don't we don't I don't know much about this
00:46:40
this dwelling where psychopath probably slept on a twin bed so he kept her under
00:46:46
the twin bed and he put containers around the bed and he put He put weights inside of these containers so that it's
00:46:55
kind of locking her in under this bed and I I would have to assume that there were some kind of constraints right uh
00:47:02
applied as well keeping her under the bed so when when those guests when his guests came over on Christmas that's how
00:47:10
he kept her and of course he's threatening her in advance right saying hey people are coming over if you if you
00:47:17
make a noise I will kill you and she has no choice other than to believe him because she's already witnessed him
00:47:22
commit two homicides of her parents at this point and then I guess he would put on music either in that room or in
00:47:30
another room with the thought of that it would drown out noises should she decide
00:47:36
to attempt to make any noises and she's probably they probably put duck tape around her mouth or or whatever there's
00:47:43
probably a lot more involved in it than just that but that's what has been leaked to the the Press yeah but then
00:47:49
you also wander you go okay well I mean we won't know but it's like what if this guy's not visited a
00:47:56
lot by his family well then he goes it it doesn't sound that he was I mean 88 days and and probably only had two
00:48:03
visitors that they're aware of yeah and um yeah but then you you kind of wonder how far the family is away from him so
00:48:12
then you start thinking well what if he got through these two visits and he's just like I can keep her alive for
00:48:18
longer mhm and then and then does it become one of those scenes where it's like 5 years later she's still living
00:48:25
there she's still being tortured there so I mean at least that part of the story of her being
00:48:32
free there's a happy ending yeah that that hor horrific portion of the story is over with and ended in a good way I
00:48:42
mean but that's why I said I think we've actually I mean talking about off the Record we can talk about whenever we
00:48:48
want but I think if we're going to do a whole episode on it for like True Crime garage I think there would just have to
00:48:54
be more information yeah than has been leaked yet and I don't know if we'll ever get that though because the you
00:49:03
know when the da is saying we're not even we might not even charge them with these other uh crimes M okay so that's
00:49:11
uh maybe it's one of those again it could be a protecting thing of Jaimie but also her family M they've been
00:49:19
through a lot you know not only the the two murders but then we on top of that we have didn't know where she was at
00:49:26
don't know if she's dead or alive and then what are going to be the repercussions what are what is going to
00:49:33
be the work that she's going to have to do to get through this mentally um now what one of the I believe one of the
00:49:43
judges said is look you know people with this kind of strength and character that
00:49:48
we can be hopeful that they will find uh some degree of healing and I think that's a a great statement made because
00:49:57
she got out because of her she can if anything hopefully this proves to her that whatever she puts her
00:50:06
mind to that she can accomplish and that she will be fine and and hopefully she goes on and does great things yeah and
00:50:14
it's it's going to take a long time of of healing for her certainly and I and the community is still trying to heal
00:50:22
itself through all of this now I do believe that the reward money that was offered up for
00:50:31
information or for a suspect or the finding of Jamie Claus they've determined they will reward that to
00:50:38
jimie herself because she's the one that escaped and and point you know was able
00:50:45
to communicate what was going on what took place yeah that horrible night in the 88 days that followed well yeah and
00:50:51
again this I mean this might come off a little cheesy or or whatever but I don't
00:50:56
care care I'll say whatever I want um but it's like you know you have these moments in your life where you kind of
00:51:04
think about what you've done whether you know you worked a job for a long period
00:51:08
of time or whatever it is but there's these moments that you just wonder like what one what are you made of what are
00:51:14
you capable of and are you living to your full potential right and then on top of that you start wondering what
00:51:21
what have you really done and I think um the Silver Lining and some of this is that she can say I know what I'm made of
00:51:29
I know what I went through I know that I can get through anything you know and she's going to have some bad days but I
00:51:38
don't think any of those days are going to be as bad as as any of those 88 so yeah what a what a tough story and
00:51:46
I I I wish we knew more to share but uh we've been getting so many people talking about doing an update that we we
00:51:52
figur we put something out there [Music] [Applause]