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let's talk some true crime uh they told me that I was being arrested for a homicide what went
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through your mind at that point I mean I knew I had never heard anyone so I wasn't really too worried
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about it believe you testified on Direct you thought Chuck was an odd man yes you think that's
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funny I think he's an odd man yes you think that's funny it's not funny okay I just thought you were smiling I thought
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a crime you didn't commit I didn't commit one neither did I ne neither did [Music]
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I all right part two of the Ryan Ferguson case yeah well there you go Captain you get to hear a few Snippets
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and little pieces of the trial itself I tell you I tell you what I found parts of this trial to be incredibly
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fascinating right there in that clip you are hearing the prosecutor this is Kevin
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crane with some back and fourth while Ryan Ferguson is on the stand and that's that's Kevin's kind of loud booming
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voice that he has that's perfect for courtroom setting kind of really trying to get under the skin of Ryan Ferguson
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kind of picking on him a bit there and I'll tell you what the the best way I could describe Uh Kevin crane the
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prosecutor he's arrogant yeah but you know the thing about him that that I found strange was that he he almost
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appears to be like an actor portraying a prosecutor in a movie or a TV show like
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the the way he speaks the when he chooses to raise his voice and and and the way he kind of gestures at things
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and struts around the courtroom you're right he's he's very arrogant arrogant but I get the I get the it's like I'm
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looking at an actor playing a role not a real life person yeah he's a douchebag playing an [ __ ] so what ends up
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happening here is that we have the police and the prosecution they end up offering Chuck Ericson a plea deal and
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exchange for his testimony against Ferguson at Ryan's trial the trial doesn't take place until 2005 now along
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with Chuck Ericson's testimony we also have Jerry Trump remember he's the janitor working at the Tribune that
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night now he States and he testifies at trial that he saw Chuck Erikson and Ryan
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Ferguson at the scene he says that those are the two men that he said jumped up from behind Kent's vehicle when he
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called out into the parking lot that night now how does how does Jerry Trump arrive at this situation because he
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wasn't able to identify them early on in the investigation right right and like you stated you know detective said this
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guy's not a credible eyewitness yes and so the thing here is what what Jerry Trump says is that while he was in jail
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on unrelated charges his wife had sent him a news article about the crime and he claims that that on that newspaper he
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saw photos of Chuck Ericson as well as Ryan Ferguson and immediately recognized them as being the two men that he had
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saw standing by the vehicle that evening now so on the witness stand we have this other weird situation where we
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have Chuck Ericson who was unable to give a detailed description of the crime or the murder during the the confession
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quote unquote confession portion of the questioning and interrogating uh however
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once he gets on the stand we see a very different Chuck Erikson we see a guy that is he's able to give an extremely
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detailed description of the events of that night as well well studied yeah as well as a extreme extremely detailed
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description of Ryan Ferguson strangling Kent heol might have been a you know a drug user but he you know he has a high
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level intelligence so he also liked to just he would just seem like he would like to argue like these intellectual
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battles with the lawyers mhm one thing I found strange though when they show um Chuck Erikson walking being escorted
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into the courtroom did you see that part where it looks like he almost turns and
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kind of stares down Ryan Ferguson like he like he tries to stare him down like he he goes out of of his way to move his
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head all the way to his left to kind of just and later on there would be claims that like there'd be claims by Chucky
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saying hey uh a lot of the reason to get him to talk about or you know not to confess but to testify against Ryan was
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because all these people were saying all these rumors around him were saying Ryan
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was going to throw him under the bus mhm so you know I'm going to throw you under
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the bus first so maybe that's why he was staring him down like hey I got you right now the defense they countered
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that uh you know all of the evidence found at the crime scene that night it pointed elsewhere it did not point to
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Ryan Ferguson uh none of the hair none of the blood or the fingerprints samples collected at the crime scene that night
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they they did not match Ryan Ferguson or Chuck Erikson as a fact and well there's
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seven fingerprints right on the car mhm seven fingerprints on on Kent's Carr and
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um none of them matched they didn't ma match Erikson they didn't match Ferguson right and there were no traces of of the
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victim's blood uh found in the vehicle in Ryan Ferguson's vehicle that he was driving that night of the murder yeah so
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it basically comes down to that there's zero evidence against Ryan and there's two witnesses that weren't credible to
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begin with that are now somewhat credible I guess and they testify and Ryan actually gets on the stand which is
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pretty unheard of in a murder trial and he's convicted and he's sentenced to what 30 years four I believe 40 years
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total uh he gets convicted of second deegree murder and robbery now the thing here is though having no evidence of
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robbery right and having watched portions of the trial I will admit here captain that seeing Chuck Ericson on the
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stand if that is if and I imagine his testimony took took a long time because they have him acting things out they're
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going over question over and over again the thing here is seeing him on the stand you you look like you're you're
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watching a man that seems 100% certain in everything that he is telling you and not only that he's 100% certain that he
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himself is guilty and this is why he's come forward and he's telling on this Ryan Ferguson character so I can see how
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the jury was swayed in that way even despite the lack of evidence but you would think
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there would be some physical evidence well I think the thing that's hard for us to understand is when you watch a
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trial we go how could they find him guilty well remember this jury didn't know him they didn't see the little dat
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line Montage of him growing up and how great of a kid he was and how amazing his calf muscles were right they don't
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see that so all they're seeing is a guy that they don't know and maybe he doesn't I don't think to me as as far as
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like Ryan Ferguson on the stand he comes off as somebody that is malicious enough
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to do uh what Chucky is saying but Chucky Chucky seems a little odd and when he's making these actions and and
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showing how well this is how he punched him and this is and then this is how R Ryan strangled him he looks a little
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crazy yeah so you know as as as far as the jury's concerned why wouldn't they believe that this guy is Poss you know
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this guy possibly had something to do with the murders cuz he's a little nutcase right mhm well ultimately we get
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like we said Ryan gets 40 years in prison um we have Chuck Erikson who gets 20 I believe 25 years was part of his
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plea agreement with the prosecutor the problem here is Captain there are some real problems with this story and I'm
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talking about the story that the police and the prosecutor put together and supplied to the jury to to ultimately
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get this conviction so let's go through some problems with the story okay okay so first off now this is a this is
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according to Freer Ryan ferguson.com uh so I could might be a little biased I could see if some people would think
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it's a little biased but this statement would be verified later and we'll get into that later okay um so but but the
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first thing that we have here is that the the bar itself Remember by georgees that's uh the captain's favorite bar um
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by George's by George my favorite bar according to employees of the bar as well as a city ordinance and state
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statute um that bar closed at 1:30 a.m. on that on that Wednesday becoming Thursday morning right okay so so that
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goes with Ryan's story that goes exactly with Ryan's story he says we were at the
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bar till 1:30 and was exactly right I drove Chuck home and then I went to my house now keep in mind that goes
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completely against Chucky's story now you got me saying Chucky goes against Chuck's story because Chucky it goes
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against it in two manners right first off they weren't at the bar as late as chuck had originally stated and second
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of all they would not be able to come back to the bar at 2:45 a.m. and then stay for an additional hour to an hour
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and a half dancing and drinking and having a good time because according to the state law that bar was not open at
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that time at least proving that one of the statements in his story is a lie mhm the next thing that we have to point out
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is Ryan's phone records we touched upon this in the first episode MH okay now so
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going through this Ryan Ferguson he was he was absolutely on his phone his phone
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was being used between 1:41 a.m. and 2:09 a.m. this now this does not entirely discredit uh Chuck's statements right
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because Chuck does state that after they left the bar Ryan was on his phone right
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but it does confirm it reconfirms Ryan's statements you're exactly right it goes
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more toward the way of Ryan's statements have having been true that he went home
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he was on his phone then he went to bed okay so now we have Dallas mallerie remember we talked about Dallas mallerie
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he was the play Play Slightly older gu guy you know a little bit older than the guys uh Ryan and Chuck and he was the
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one that they saw at the intersection that night shortly after the murder so Dallas m is the only person who can
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cooporate any part of Chuck's story mhm now in December of 2004 okay that that was what they got
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from an affidavit in December of 2004 he later then stated that he was not at he was not at that intersection
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that night he had not sign seen either Ryan or Chuck that night furthermore we have proof that Dallas
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mallerie did not have a valid driver's license at the time or a vehicle he didn't own a vehicle he he had had a
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omvi or DUI whatever they call it in Missouri and he had lost his license due to that and I believe he sold his car
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either because he couldn't use it or to pay for some of his legal fees right so he doesn't have access to a vehicle he
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doesn't have a driver's license at that time now furthermore well the furthermore and
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furthermore the thing that happens here is well remember Chuck was able to state
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that Dallas was wearing a police officer's uniform that night for a Halloween party yeah well the problem
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with that is police say well there's your proof that that Dallas mallerie saw those guys at that intersection the
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problem with that is is later the Ferguson family is able to prove that Dallas mallerie and Chuck Erikson were
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at one of the same Halloween parties earlier that night that chuck could be confused and he actually saw him at a
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Halloween party I believe there's a photo of the two of them uh we have Dallas mallerie standing behind Chuck
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Ericson and mallerie is in full police uniform outfit right so yeah he black you know Chucky blacks out a bunch of
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blow and and and a bunch of other drugs and he he blacks out but he does remember seeing this guy at some point
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Dallas and he saw him at some point in a police outfit so that goes with his story but also proves that it could have
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happened at a different time the other thing that's interesting is the fact that you know he claims that Dallas
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stopped at a red light well those lights aren't red or green at that time of day
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they're flashing red or flashing yellow no they're flashing yow yellow so they're not a cycling light right but
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what I'm saying is at if it at an intersection you'll have one section that's flashing yellow and the other
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intersection normally flashes red mhm so one will have to proceed with caution the other one might have to stop
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depending on the traffic the the way that Dallas was going quote unquote is he would have been faced with a yellow
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light so he never would have had to stop yeah I believe so again the these are multiple
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sources saying that the story is [ __ ] we also have shaa ort and we talked about her uh working at the
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Tribune that night now she is called to testify but she never specifically is asked did you see Chuck Ericson and Ryan
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Ferguson there that night in the parking lot and she what well and what she told
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the cops and what she told prosecution is that those were not the the two guys that she saw that night yeah and she
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would later State that's why Kevin crane did not specifically ask me that question because he knew I was going to
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say no those weren't the two guys that I saw right but doesn't the defense get to
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like you know have interviews with these Witnesses and talk to them and and so they would know that if I ask her on the
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stand can you point to the person that you saw that night in the courtroom that she would say and I can't cuz they're
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not here right that would have been huge for the defense it would have been a big
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step in the right direction for and and they talked a lot about how like he would uh slow draw everything took
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forever well it did and you know what I think a big part of that was though Captain lack of
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preparation what it was uh I think it I think it's partly that but I also think it's a bit of a surprise I think that
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you had Erikson on the stand and you had Trump on the stand that were saying much
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different things much more detailed things pointing every arrow at your client and I think it took him by
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surprise I think it took the a lot of this information you know what I mean you're
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handed a lot of this information uh you're also we also see a situation where they were not handed some
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information that could have help their defense as well so I don't know that I want to go out there and say you're
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handed this information no but what I'm saying is that you have a list of these people and
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and you can have somewhat of idea of what they're going to say and you're listening you get to cross-examine
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afterwards so you know what I mean so you do have time to prepare as it's happening it's not like you're the first
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one asking questions is what I'm saying MH yeah and then we also have the the possibility of a potential other suspect
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now remember we talked about we went through the detailed accounts of that night before we talked about a man named
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Michael Boyd um well he's not really investigated he's entered interviewed but not what I would consider
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investigated well he should have been investigated because he was the last person to talk with with K so yeah as
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far as we know that he he's admitting that he was either the last or second to last person to talk to Kent height hold
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that evening and if you go by his timeline compared to when the 911 call is placed that almost puts him standing
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next to or right by Kent at the time of his murder are very close to it well yeah and look there's there's a ton of
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evidence and ton of speculation that's like they got the wrong man but the fact of the matter is he's convicted and he's
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in jail and he's sentenced to 40 years now Ryan Ferguson will eventually get to appeal this conviction and they will
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have another trial some new things come to light at this trial right but unfortunately we have a situation where
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the verdict the guilty verdict is not overturned with this first appeal yeah even though they brought up you know
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tons of evidence tons of evidence that shows that the the detectives in the defense didn't interview I think 11
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witnesses that should have been called in the first trial right yeah and then in 2009 we have uh a new character comes
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into the fold right we have high-profile Chicago attorney Kathleen zelner uh she
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decides to take on Ryan's case uh pro bono and in 2012 well her hard work and her
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investigator's hard work it pays off because at this point both Chuck Erikson and Jerry Trump basically the two that
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single that together took down Ryan Ferguson and got that guilty verdict even though there was no physical
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evidence they got them to recant their trial testimony in statements given to both zelner and her in investigator no
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yeah and just to show you how powerful this is that if you do recant especially cuz you were in a trial you can be
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facing perjury charges and so you could actually do time in prison for this right so as far as like a as far as like
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the outsider's eyes to me this recanning your statement actually holds a bunch of
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weight to me MH because you're possibly facing you know jail time well zelner she files and she gets a Abus Corpus
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hearing so during this hearing this is when both Chuck Ericson and Jerry Trump admitted that they lied in Ryan
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Ferguson's trial now Chuck Ericson claimed that the prosecutor this is Kevin crane that he had pressured him
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into implicating Ryan uh Chuck testified in the habus hearing that he does not remember the evening of the murder
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because of his heavy drug and alcohol use that night and that he did in fact black out now we also have the situation
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where you see Chuck Chuck he comes forward and he originally says that Ryan had nothing to do with this that he that
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Chuck was the one that that single-handedly carried out this murder right but in this hearing he states that
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he has no memory of that evening just like he told the police in his original statement now we have Jerry Trump okay
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who recants as well his story about wife sending him the newspaper and him seeing
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the pictures of the two boys in there uh he actually says that that it was he saw
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it wasn't his wife that sent him those the newspaper that he actually didn't see that newspaper until he was at
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Crane's office and crane had showed him the photos from the newspaper and basically which is basically stating
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that the prosecutor is helping me create the story to be eyewitness and that's illegal mhm yeah and and like we said
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crane was in some of his own legal troubles at the time uh probably thought that you know I I don't want to pick a
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fight with the prosecutor with this very aggressive prosecutor um and you know stating that
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crane told him something like it would be helpful uh to the state it would be helpful for Jerry Trump if he could
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identify the two guys at the crime scene well and then Michael Boyd's going to come back into the story as well this is
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the coworker that claims that he talked to Kent right you know seconds before he's murdered and uh his story has
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changed like five times yeah zelner uh Ferguson's attorney will point out you know to to the to the trial that that we
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have these conflicting stories that have changed time and time again as well as she's going to point out that timeline
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that we talked about earlier that because of some of Boyd's own words that places him with Kent heol at the time
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and these are her words at the time of his murder well weren't they also able to present evidence that that prove that
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there was evidence withheld from the defense correct yes this would have been some of those eyewitnesses that you
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stated that that were called in this hearing um one of them being Ken Kim Bennett uh she was a person that was at
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the bar that night at by George's that night um the prosecution did not tell the defense about speaking with Kim Kim
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Bennett now Kim Ben why did they not tell them because Kim Bennett told the prosecutor that she was at the bar that
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night and she left sometime between 1:15 and 1:30 a.m. and during that time that
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she left she saw Ryan Ferguson and Chuck Erikson get into Ryan's vehicle and drive off at that at that same time
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right which would go with Ryan Ferguson's story yeah the other person that they didn't that they failed to
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tell the defense about was a guy by the name of Mike shook well who is he well he's very important to this case in my
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opinion because he is an employee at the by George's uh bar and uh he testifies at this hearing that the bar in fact did
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close at 1:30 a.m. and that he did not let anybody back into the bar after the bar had closed this again would disprove
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Chuck Ericson's story yeah well let's call what it is you know Chucky and the police's story mhm so now Captain we
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also have shaa ort um and we talked about her quite a bit so I won't go through the whole thing but during this
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hearing we do get get to hear her State why she thinks um that she not only why she thinks that she wasn't asked to
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directly identify Ryan Ferguson because we know that answer but furthermore she states that that her interaction with
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the prosecutor Kevin crane she found him to be what she called threatening uh that he constantly was
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asking her to implicate Ryan Ferguson as being one of the people that she had seen in the parking lot the night of the
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murder and she time and time again would not and he became very aggressive and almost threatening to her right and like
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she stated from the beginning telling the police officers telling the prosecution that's not the guys I saw
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that night not the guys I saw mhm and then you got this prosecutor you know the one that's a douchebag playing an
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[ __ ] being aggressive and and basically threatening hey you need to say that this was Ryan and she wouldn't
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do it it's weird to me that he would even put her on the stand but um well but who knows luckily for for Ryan that
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the uh this conviction is eventually vacated uh this would be in 201 late 2013 uh he was soon after released from
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prison and exonerated of all charges yeah and this this was a lengthy you know we kind of skipped over it but if
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we went through every single trial and every single appeal there was a bunch of failed attempts and probably a lot of
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that had to do with the fact that the prosecutor became a judge MH and this is one of his big cases and that would go
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against the whole system anding the whole system is bad that the cops are bad the prosecutors bad and now the
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prosecutors is a judge so therefore the system uh is is failed yeah so and I'll tell you what I I know that the
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conviction is overturned but we're not going to finish there because what I want to do next Captain after this beer
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break let's go through this because what happens here is we have a conviction overturned now this presents a whole
00:29:45
bunch of other questions you know what really did happen that night so let's let's answer those questions after this
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captain I told him you know I'm going to bring with me tomorrow some questions that I kind of just want the two of us
00:32:06
to talk through together want to hear his opinion give my opinion and kind of walk us through this case a bit and
00:32:14
maybe come up with some answers here because with with Ryan Ferguson being let go exonerated now to me there's all
00:32:22
kinds of questions in this case uh but to be fair I should point out that the captain has not been told in advance
00:32:29
about these questions so we're going to I start you off with question number one
00:32:33
Captain umh do you think that Ryan Ferguson actually committed this crime or was involved in this crime but
00:32:42
somehow got lucky and ends up getting off my I don't believe so I think he is a kid of good character not a kid
00:32:51
anymore obviously and there's no physical evidence and so I mean he was convicted on basically two lies mhm that
00:33:00
that's my thoughts on it well I I agree with you uh the the only time I kind of questioned uh his guilt um was like like
00:33:10
what I said with um Erikson's demeanor on the stand I questioned it a little bit but having seen the actual
00:33:18
confession tapes and the interrogation tapes that kind of discredits that 100% but also seeing the composite drawing
00:33:26
that was provided by shaa um it to me it actually looked somewhat like a mashing
00:33:32
if you took if you took Chuck's face and you took Ryan's face and kind of smooshed them together that it would
00:33:39
look somewhat like like the both of them however she outwardly states that these
00:33:44
are not the guys that I saw that night and there's no question in her mind so to me I got to go with what she saying
00:33:50
well when they right but wouldn't they also say I I think the first thing for me that I went oh that's a little odd is
00:33:57
when they claimed that one of the people they saw had an athletic build mhm and a
00:34:03
lot of 17-year-olds are not going to have this noticeably athletic build and Ryan did so that was kind of the first
00:34:13
thing that made me go H and I see your point that Chucky was very convincing on the
00:34:19
stand and that's probably why he was found guilty was based off of Chucky but let's just go with the whole
00:34:28
fact that you know he was coached up by crane he was coached up by the prosecution he was coach coached up from
00:34:34
the beginning when he went to come in and confess he was coached up at the the word go of the confession so yeah of
00:34:41
course he he's expert on what he has had conversations about but these weren't things that actually
00:34:48
happened uh question number two okay uh you know Ryan Ferguson in our opinion Didn't Do It um he's been exonerated I
00:34:55
think rightfully so um but do you think that Charles or Chuck Erikson did have some involvement
00:35:02
or like he did say at one time committed the crime completely by himself if we go
00:35:07
by Ryan Ferguson's timeline which we believe to be true that they left the bar at 1:30 a.m. he was able to return
00:35:16
Chuck to his home and continue on to his own home and get there by 140 then it's
00:35:23
conceivable that chuck could have returned to the parking lot of the Daily Tribune in time to commit the murder
00:35:30
yeah but again with his confession and yeah it's two years later and and Chucky has a drug problem but or had a drug
00:35:39
problem um he might still have one in jail who knows but again lack of lack of evidence physical evidence there you
00:35:49
know there's never any talk about DNA but you would you would think that you'd have at least some kind of DNA on the
00:35:57
belt and and again they're not bringing it up so let's just assume it's not there seven fingerprints on the car not
00:36:05
one of them match Chucky not one of them match Ryan so is it is it possible that
00:36:11
he got dropped off by Ryan and he was in this uh coked out state in this uh alcoholic State and he just went out
00:36:17
looking for more it's possible but again where's the evidence yeah and he doesn't
00:36:23
even you know I said that somewhat the facial thing could look like the composite
00:36:28
drawing but he doesn't physically you know his height and his weight and his build do not match what is described by
00:36:36
Shauna there the person that she describes is several inches taller than him uh several pounds heavier than him
00:36:43
maybe 20 30 pounds heavier than him um and if and his motive doesn't make any sense yeah plus his his what he claims
00:36:53
he was wearing that night does not match the description of the clothing that shaa gives at all um that evening as
00:36:59
well uh the thing here too regarding Chuck like I pointed out in the I don't recall if it was earlier this episode or
00:37:07
if it was late yesterday's episode but the the whole process about the interrogation not drinks so much the
00:37:14
whole process of the interrogation where the the detective wrongfully says that that Kent was hit 15 times with this
00:37:24
object and he gets he gets Chuck to agree to 15 being the number right uh it's obvious to me not only does Chuck
00:37:32
not know how many times Kent was hit with this object neither does the detective so I think that uh that clears
00:37:38
up up Chuck for me again weird with the with no skull fracture that's that's an odd thing to me and when when they're at
00:37:48
trial and Chuck is describing how he hit uh Kent and how how forcefully and how fast he says that he hit him and in that
00:37:58
overhand motion right um I I I struggle to believe that if they were using a tire iron or some kind
00:38:05
of tire changing tool that they got from Ryan's trunk that or that he brought on
00:38:11
his own that hitting with that velocity that that he would not be able to that there would be no skull fracture seems
00:38:18
very strange to me yeah um this is kind of an out of the-box question for you Captain but um do you think that there
00:38:26
is something wrong with Chuck or Charles yes and I don't know chicken or the egg I don't know if it was something
00:38:35
was wrong with him mentally so he was then self-medicating through drugs and alcohol and then that led him to the
00:38:42
point where he's at now cuz he definitely seems a lot clearer these days mhm um but yeah so which one was it
00:38:49
chicken the egg or what you know did he start using drugs and that created some mental problems for him I think he's not
00:38:57
all there yeah I get the vibe that there's some kind of personality or social some kind of disorder there maybe
00:39:05
it's undiagnosed um we do know that the prison system does not do a great job of
00:39:10
checking on people's mental health in situations like that um well and and just being confined to that space is
00:39:18
going to do a number on your mental health anyways and I understand that I'm observing his life on small sample sizes
00:39:26
you know over the course of a period of time over the course of 10 years or so right but what I saw is I'm seeing
00:39:34
almost a different person every time right did you get that Vibe like okay yeah but let's let's be honest I mean
00:39:41
crime would happen when he was 17 he would confess when he was 19 so that's when we'd first start seeing it's 1921
00:39:48
is first trial of Ryan Ferguson so that would be the first time we'd see him and
00:39:53
then you're seeing him later you know the other trials you know three years after that 5 years after that so I mean
00:40:00
you're going from a 19-year-old you know to 20 some year old that that's a whole
00:40:06
different world no and I I I agree and that's why I pointed it out that I'm talking about him over the course of a
00:40:11
period of time because I agree that physically and mentally and emotionally he's changing and adapting uh throughout
00:40:18
the course of time however to me I felt like I was seeing whoever he decided to be or whoever he was told to
00:40:28
be in that moment yeah and meaning when he is interrogated or when he's especially when he's being driven around
00:40:35
and questioned about the locations of things and where they went he to their me he looks like the confused person
00:40:43
that he believed he was right he looked like a blank canvas that knew nothing that had nothing on it and was going to
00:40:50
wait for people to apply their own Impressions when I see him at the trial that you got to admit that's a 180 Dee
00:41:00
change right there it's not just a guy that goes the first trial yeah not just a guy that goes from knowing nothing to
00:41:05
knowing everything there's like a certain amount of hate in his eyes and it almost looks to me like there's
00:41:11
there's hate in his eyes for Ryan Ferguson you know like I said it appeared to me like he kind of tried to
00:41:16
stare him down as he walked into the into the courtroom and as he was sitting there on the stands you see somebody
00:41:24
that's very aggressive he can't wait for the prosecutor to get the words out of the prosecutor's mouth to to start
00:41:30
answering his questions well again but if that speculation is true and what he was saying is they have inmates talking
00:41:36
to him and I wouldn't put it past the cops going hey let's tell some of these inmates that Ryan's going to turn on him
00:41:42
and we're going to get Chucky all nervous right so M yeah maybe it was like you know uh yeah I know we kind of
00:41:48
I kind of got us into this mess and I don't really know what happened that day but uh you want to throw me under the
00:41:53
bus look Chucky is not idiot he he actually seems like he's actually a pretty bright guy he likes to challenge
00:42:01
he likes to debate probably would have made a pretty good lawyer but at the end but at the end of the day he's a little
00:42:08
nuto so that little nuto turned into uh I got to get this guy before he gets me but while he's on stand he you're he
00:42:17
seems like a man of conviction you know what I mean a man that said you know I've done something wrong and this is
00:42:22
the only way I can make it right and I'm I'm going to I'm going to go down fighting if I have to but I'm going to
00:42:28
make this right yeah Chucky is so weird to me cuz one you have this ridiculous story that doesn't make any sense and
00:42:34
you don't even have you don't even have any of the details and then you come forward they hand you the details now
00:42:40
this guy's in jail you're in jail a couple years later you feel so bad because you don't know if Ryan was there
00:42:46
so you put the whole blame on yourself mhm and then that kind of helps out Ryan but at the end of the day neither one of
00:42:54
you probably were there and Ryan Ferguson story is probably true mhm so you know I I feel for the guy because
00:43:00
like I said there is something off there definitely has some intelligence but something is definitely wrong there I
00:43:06
agree and and I'm I'm glad that you saw it too because I was thinking maybe maybe I'm kind of weird and just seeing
00:43:12
something that's not there but I but I saw it again when when he changed his story to that that Chuck was the only
00:43:19
one guilty and then later when he changes his story back to I don't remember anything of that night I swear
00:43:25
when I look at and he says that the final time I see in his eyes and I almost see his face of that of that
00:43:32
19-year-old Boy again of that of that blank canvas that just truly didn't know what was going on and is waiting to be
00:43:38
told what actually happened that night um we should point out though right that that Charles Erikson remains imprisoned
00:43:48
yeah which is it's a crime man it's a crime as as much look Ryan Ferguson is definitely the All-American boy you know
00:43:55
he he's he's a good-look guy he's physically fit apparently his calves are incredible incred incredible caves I
00:44:03
think he does like some Fitness stuff now like sparting races and stuff like that um smart kid uh seemed to always do
00:44:10
the right thing was involved in in athletics and stuff like that and yes Eric got them into this mess but he's
00:44:18
like the Forgotten one oh great we got Ryan out okay that's great but we still have somebody convicted of this murder
00:44:26
and we all know and the system knows that Chucky didn't do this right so that's a crime in itself and then you
00:44:34
got to put on top of that there's a victim in all this right right there's a guy that we we don't know what the
00:44:40
motive of his murder was mhm and it was a vicious murder I mean this guy was held down probably had a foot on his
00:44:49
chest and somebody's choking the life out of him with his own belt mhm and and and and Kent deserv deserves better than
00:44:56
that and yes I'm glad that the justice system uh you know made a wrong a right and yeah I'm sorry that Ryan had to
00:45:05
spend time in jail that's Injustice I believe so but it's Injustice that Chuck's Behind Bars it's an injustice
00:45:12
that we're not investigating the case to solve the murder of Kent yeah and we should point out too that Ryan has said
00:45:18
that he you know he wants to help Chuck or or who's going by Charles now he wants to help Charles with his release
00:45:26
from prison as well even though like you said you know Ryan ends up in prison because of Charles yeah um and you know
00:45:34
he said that he will continue Ryan will continue to fight uh for the innocent people that are in prison including
00:45:41
Charles Ericson one of the things that you can tell that makes Ryan such a good dude is one Trump which lies right um
00:45:50
lies on Jerry Trump lies on the yeah let's not make this point let's not start a fight oh man you don't want that
00:45:56
fight yeah you don't want you want to fight you don't want to fight the man with small hands um oh what I'm saying
00:46:02
though is is he forgives Jerry Trump Jerry Trump has had his uh trials he's you know not a good guy in my anybody
00:46:10
that anybody that is um anybody that has crimes against children I can't have their back but what Ryan says is he can
00:46:20
forgive Jerry for lying he also forgives Chucky so I I think that's a sign of of
00:46:27
a pretty um self- InTune person now I don't think he forgives crane at all but that's just that's my opinion but so I I
00:46:37
think it's good Ryan anybody if you if you're invested in this case at all do as much as you can to help Chucky out
00:46:44
because he's just going to be there well and crane is sort of the Puppet Master right and it's hard to it's really tough
00:46:51
to forgive the Puppet Master you can forgive the puppets but you don't forgive the puppets Master yeah but in
00:46:58
Crane's defense you are handed a case based off of the detectives there is no case um now he should have from the word
00:47:08
go say I'm looking at these tapes and this doesn't line up and no thank you I'm not I'm not running with this case
00:47:16
the cops should have stopped this from from you know two years they had nothing that's fine but but you didn't get
00:47:23
anything afterwards got a bunch of false stuff and when they should just be lined
00:47:28
up taped against the wall and just let me punch their face for a while because they kept on saying stuff like well I'm
00:47:33
not interested in that I'm just interested in the truth no you're not you stupid piece of [ __ ] you're not
00:47:39
interested in the truth what I was saying is it's it should have stopped at the detectives it should have stopped
00:47:46
there and and when they when none of the pieces of the puzzle were fitting you stop and they deserve punched in the
00:47:53
face all right let's let's shift gears here here for a second okay so uh Captain with without naming names or
00:48:01
pointing fingers or or or doing a who done it type thing uh do you think that this was a premeditated murder or do you
00:48:10
think this is you know unplanned uh I don't know if it I don't know either way I don't look because
00:48:18
obviously it was a vicious attack and I don't think that needed you know a vicious attack needs to be planned or
00:48:24
not mhm and also I think the evidence of maybe it's not planned is who would who
00:48:29
would get in an argument or a tussle with a guy and plan on uh you know choking them to death with the guy's own
00:48:36
belt yeah you know I mean that'd be kind of a weird plan to come up with you bring up a very good point there um you
00:48:43
know and to further that point it's you know that you're attacking a large man with an object that we've pointed out
00:48:50
time and time again was not strong enough to create a skull fracture or with with not enough Force to create
00:48:57
some kind of fracture that that seems like you said a bad plan it doesn't seem to be a wellth thought out plan to bring
00:49:05
that kind of weapon there and then um obviously you can't plan on using somebody's belt to strangle them uh you
00:49:14
know especially a man of his size how are you going to get that belt off of him well it's very odd to me that the
00:49:19
police came up with the motive of robbery when there's not really much signs of robbery the way the way that I
00:49:27
understand it is they only came up with the motive of robbery after the fact after having spoken to Charles Erikson
00:49:34
about the crime and why he would have done the crime right but instead of trying to make the pieces of the puzzle
00:49:40
fit they're creating their own pieces yeah and so when they're in the first investigation part of the of the
00:49:47
investigation early in the investigation they don't really have a motive to work
00:49:51
off of uh other than looking for those two quote unquote College age Caucasian males right so what would be some
00:49:58
motives I mean you know maybe he's having an affair with somebody um maybe you know maybe it's maybe it is just
00:50:06
random but like I said there's no sign of of robbery and so you're just going to so the motive is just I was walking
00:50:13
down the street and saw this guy and decided I want to choke him to death with his own belt uh maybe he had a
00:50:18
gambling problem to me the choking the guy to death with his own belt seems very violent very vicious almost like
00:50:28
you're trying like that was a statement piece and so did he I mean he was a sports writer was he into gambling I'm
00:50:36
I'm not for sure well okay so you you brought up motive the problem with motive for me kind of Cycles back into
00:50:45
is this premeditated or unplanned um here's what I think here's what I see anyway
00:50:54
um I I see somebody like you said this this strangling the way that it went down is very vicious so that to me
00:51:03
either points to somebody that had a very deep hatred for this man and wanted to kill him that would imply that it's
00:51:10
premeditated or that this was some kind of Rage that there was some kind of argument or some kind of incident that
00:51:17
took place and it was you know Split Second rage that took this person over and yeah they rageed so hard they didn't
00:51:25
cause a fracture though right and so you know you ask I've asked myself how would
00:51:32
this person come in possession of a belt that was on the man that they attack I've heard Bill Ferguson he
00:51:40
pointed out something uh that was interesting he said that his daughter came up with a theory and remember we
00:51:48
pointed out the size of Kent height hold he was a he was a large man he was not only tall but he was big mhm burly and
00:51:56
the thing is she his daughter said to him you know well maybe you know sometimes with larger people they will
00:52:03
especially men um they will undo their belt uh in certain situations when they're getting ready to sit down we
00:52:10
know that Kent was leaving potentially leaving for the evening he could be driving home maybe he found it
00:52:15
uncomfortable to drive with his belt on and that was something that he typically
00:52:19
did and that would make the belt easy for the person that committed the crime to to take it off
00:52:26
um so that's that's an interesting thought there my my thought too though would be is there a chance that Kent was
00:52:34
looking for a weapon and undid his belt in an attempt to use it as some kind of weapon we know that whoever he was you
00:52:41
know arguing with whoever he's having an incident with or whoever decided to attack him already has a weapon maybe he
00:52:48
feels if I can get a weapon I can better defend myself and removes his own belt or attempts to remove his own yeah or
00:52:56
like you said I mean he's he's just unbuckling his belt to get in his car gets attacked and then just you pulls it
00:53:03
out um but I I don't know the other thing too is like you said we're not going to name
00:53:10
any names but we might as well well we're going to have to Michael Boyd right we have to name Michael Boyd yes
00:53:15
but look here's something that people should take a clue on I think when Ryan was losing all his Appeals they needed
00:53:26
to find the person right yeah they didn't have enough they didn't have enough they couldn't check enough boxes
00:53:32
to get him acquitted on his own that they needed to check the box of oh by the way here's the guy that did
00:53:39
it and I think they went after him and the and the media went after him and yeah he changed some of his stories I
00:53:45
don't know if he's innocent I don't know if he's guilty but here's what I do know
00:53:50
is anything that once Ryan was released anything when they're talking about this
00:53:54
case they don't mention Michael Boyd and I think they do so for probably legal reasons mhm because if you don't have a
00:54:02
bunch of evidence then you can't be naming this guy as this Prime Suspect if he's not well and as we said Michael
00:54:09
Boyd was interviewed but not quote unquote investigated and you know people that don't know much about this case are
00:54:16
going to go well why was he not investigated he was one of the last people to speak with the victim well my
00:54:23
only guess is this is that you know they were told to be looking for two Caucasian guys Michael Boyd is
00:54:32
African-American um therefore and there's only one of him yes and there's only one of him so he doesn't become
00:54:38
their immediate suspect um that's probably why he was not investigated early on now I do want to throw this out
00:54:45
there too at you captain and I'm not going to comment on the competence uh of the police department or the detectives
00:54:55
involved in this case because I I don't have a full understanding of their investigation into the murder of Kent
00:55:03
iol I only have a an understanding of the portions that involve Ryan Ferguson and Charles Ericson right okay so during
00:55:13
that we have two years before we get to those guys now one thing here is we have
00:55:18
a parking lot we have several employees inside the building you know when when you first look at this case if you don't
00:55:25
know anything about it you kind of assume that maybe there's this one dude working all by himself and he walks out
00:55:30
into a dark parking lot in the middle of the night and helping happens to get randomly attacked it's not so much that
00:55:36
we have a building that's got several people in it in a parking lot that has portions that are well lit and we have
00:55:42
two very obvious security cameras on the building right so what that would make one think is well those security cameras
00:55:51
were not working this guy's killed in a parking lot where anybody body inside the building could potentially see the
00:55:57
attack first off anybody Manning those cameras or watching those videos could potentially see or have evidence video
00:56:04
footage of who committed the murder mhm Who would know that those cameras were not working well you would then assume
00:56:11
it would be somebody working in that building yeah cuz they know that the cameras weren't working yeah and I hope
00:56:17
and I don't know that they did or did not and that's why I won't comment on the competence on their competence
00:56:22
regarding this investigation but you have fingerprints you have that hair if those those should be and I hope that
00:56:29
they were tested against employees that worked in that building well and also the belt there's going to be DNA there
00:56:37
you would expect to see some DNA there's at least touch DNA so I I'm hoping that
00:56:43
they they tested that against the emplo the employees that were working that night and have somehow cleared them it'd
00:56:50
be nice to know that if if they've done that um we've not heard you're not going
00:56:55
to you're not going to hear anything about this because there's a guy that sits in jail that's accused of the
00:57:00
murder so this case is closed my friend they're not going to look into it and I'm afraid you might be right on that
00:57:07
and also look it's you know Kent was a chubby white dude you know sports reporter that's the inj there's so many
00:57:16
Injustice here you know like I said uh again we can't we can't speculate on the investigation but they had nothing so
00:57:23
then you get a little and they ran with it but they ran too hard too fast and they didn't do their due diligence and
00:57:30
they didn't VI this as we need Justice we need truth like they said you need truth and then they hand it off to a
00:57:38
prosecutor trying to make a name for himself and all the name you made my friend was [ __ ] stain that's what you
00:57:44
are you're judge shitstain now and then you have two innocent kids that you know
00:57:49
have basically been locked up since they're 19 and then on top of that again if Michael Boyd had nothing to do with
00:57:56
it you have media running his name through the mud and making him look like he's a piece of [ __ ] and we have really
00:58:01
no evidence of that you know cuz did they test his fingerprints did those match was their DNA nobody knows so
00:58:08
that's an injustice and then at the end of the day we got Kent that you know somebody's locked up
00:58:13
for his crime so nobody gives a [ __ ] and and that I think when I first saw a documentary on this or a DAT line
00:58:23
or something on this I was really frustrated but it was only a single you know a Singler frustration
00:58:31
that this innocent kid that could have been me or you or anybody that we grew up with charged with this vicious crime
00:58:38
and then sitting in jail for almost 10 years when they're innocent 10 years of their life being lost and how that
00:58:44
affects their family but now I don't know how how many years later after seeing that documentary it's like my
00:58:52
frustration has grown with the whole that whole system and there needs to be bigger
00:58:58
checks and balances like I said there needs to be if if a detective is going to interrogate if the detective is going
00:59:04
to make up falsities or give out details that they shouldn't give out that you know makes the you know makes the
00:59:11
confession n and void there needs to be better checks and balances yeah and I think that the you
00:59:18
know the defense team should have been able to do a better job of presenting the way that that inter interation went
00:59:25
down to the jury than what they did yeah but again that's n and void if you don't
00:59:30
even get to the trial you should have never got to the trial I I no I agree 100% um as far as Michael Boyd's name
00:59:39
goes um has it been drugged through the mud yes uh it's not it's not Uh Kevin Crane's fault that his name has been
00:59:47
drugged through the mud in my opinion it's the it's been the attorneys for Ryan Ferguson that has brought his name
00:59:53
up time and time again it's the online community that's kept his name running uh We've mentioned his name here too so
01:00:01
we're just as guilty as anybody else so on that topic do you think Michael Boyd uh for you it would be considered Prime
01:00:11
Suspect number one uh I mean look he's the he's in the same location roughly about the time of the murder so I think
01:00:18
his story is very important the problem is he's changed it multiple times so um I don't think him necessarily changing
01:00:27
it means that he's instantly guilty but why are you changing the story bud you know like just tell the truth stick with
01:00:35
the truth again though a lot of the I feel for the guy because a lot of the stuff is them questioning him years and
01:00:44
years later so maybe by going through the events you you kind of remember things a little differently you know
01:00:52
what I'm saying right like obviously he would remember that night more than most
01:00:56
people but what were what were his statements right afterwards mhm you know what I mean uh so I I don't know uh yeah
01:01:07
I uh for me I don't know that I would put him as my number one suspect I don't have a number one suspect to be honest
01:01:15
with you he would be somebody a person that I would want to talk to interest and he might be able to lead you down
01:01:20
the right rabbit hole and I think you have enough evidence that was collected at the SE to either clear him or maybe
01:01:27
bring up charges on him um the thing that I the thing that I can't get over though is there was a blood trail that
01:01:34
led near the alley or all the way to the alley from the parking lot M okay so a couple issues with that blood tril one
01:01:45
could could Michael Boyd have left that potentially left that blood trail his car was parked somewhat in that area
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it's it's possible it's possible but the way that I've heard this Blood Trail described I've never seen pictures of it
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I so so I don't want anybody to go crazy on this but the way I've heard it described was that it was a mess of a
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blood trail which would would imply to me that it was created by more than one person we do have we do have shaa or
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saying she saw two people and we do know that they they ran off in that area after they called for help I Am with You
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Captain I do find it very strange that that that somebody would attack somebody and then say call for help um so what
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I'm getting at is you have two situations to me I think it boils down to two situations you either have a
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situation where wait hold on where these guys stumbled go ahead I was just going
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to say unless it's one Tacker and two guys were walking up and they came up to help the guy runs off MH and then all of
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a sudden you're going hey call for help call for help and then you're like [ __ ]
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we got to get out of here yeah and you've gotten blood all over your shoes at this point and you've taken off right
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you might maybe you have a prior you know and you were just trying to look it's different if you've been behind
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bars before you might go up to help somebody and the cops comeing you go [ __ ] I'm out of here um I'm not messing
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with those guys again well and if you see the way that they handled the Charles Eric and Ryan Ferguson situation
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that does not inspire you to come forward at anytime soon and say I was there and I stumbled upon this guy he
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was attacked I told them to call for help and then I left because I was drunk or because I didn't want to be in the
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area when this thing went down or I was afraid I was afraid that the whoever did
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this was still lurking in the in the parking lot right um I the big problem I have is something that you asked earlier
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motive I I struggle to find a motive for Michael Boyd to have done this uh as well as I struggle to see any motive at
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all uh for this to have taken place it from everything I read about Kent he he seemed to be a great guy well-liked at
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work well-liked in in the community um you know I know we don't know much about these people when we when we look into
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these crimes we only get to see little Snippets and little small sample sizes of their life but I struggle to find any
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kind of motive here this almost seems to me as some kind of random crazy attack and I think that that is a big problem
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that has hindered this investigation that there's there is lack of motive there is lack of reasoning and why
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anybody would commit this crime yeah again I mean like being involved in sports I I'd want to know his background
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if he had any gambling problems there so I mean to me that would explain how vicious of attack it was and it would
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explain why they used his belt you know uh even look I mean he could have been taken off his belt but again I to me
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that's like it's like making a statement yeah I really just get the feeling here
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like I said no motive I feel like he he came across somebody or somebody's and there there was some kind of altercation
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that broke out into a fight I think he tried to defend himself and the and the person or person's um you know for a
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lack of better word went went crazy on him went homicidal on him and and this ended up being uh the result
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unfortunately well overall it's a sad case you know sad for Ryan and his family I think it's sad you know again
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for Chucky and I hope uh I hope Ryan does stick by his word and and tries to help him as much as he can because I
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think he has the loudest voice and the biggest platform of anybody on this case MH um you know and look I'm all for good
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police officers good detectives good prosecutors I you know I want to believe in the system but the you know time and
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time again you'll see these cases where the system fails all of us it doesn't it
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didn't just fail Ryan it failed everybody involved and and then essentially fails us and you're right
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and and while you're pointing out who this was sad for it was it was sad for you everyone the Colombia community in
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involved as well including the the Tribune as well the the employees there that worked with Kent but as you were
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touching upon Captain it was a sad display for our justice system as well it it it failed us that day it failed so
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far as failed Kent Ryan and Charles Erikson as well and I also do want to point out reiterate that uh you know we
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have Ryan stating that Charles has his support that he has Charles's back he's going to continue to work to get some of
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these people out of prison that are innocent including Charles we also have the Ferguson family uh who has offered a
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$110,000 reward for any tips that would lead to solving the murder of Kent height hold uh which I think shows the
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the compassion as well as character of the Ferguson family yeah and if you're interested in
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supporting Ryan at all for you know him being in jail for 10 years wrongfully convicted um check out Ryan Ferguson
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Fitness and you can UHC Ryan Ferguson fitness.com and you can follow him on all social media I know he's wrote some
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books and I think maybe he has another one coming out uh this year maybe speaking of books how about some
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recommended reading here Captain this week we are recommending Queen City Gothic Cincinnati's most Infamous murder
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mysteries by JT Townsen I've met Mr Townsen once brilliant guy great writer uh we had a little Zodiac Killer debate
01:07:33
uh but anyway Queen City Gothic is fascinating it's a fantastic book and JT Townson takes us on a Sinister journey
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through 13 cases which took place in Cincinnati Ohio between 1904 and 1971 including the murder Zone killer
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the bride in the casket and Terror in The Gaslight District if if you like Ohio criminal history or just cold cases
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in general then you must have Queen City Gothic in your home library and you can
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pick that up and add it to your library by going to True Crim garage.com and click on the recommended page we have
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