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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] foreign [Music] on September 18 1984 two young girls
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left their homes in South Dakota the next day the two were in the area of Casper Wyoming this is 12 year old
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Sharon bald eagle from Eagle Butte and her 15 year old friend from Hot Springs in Casper they are hitchhiking looking
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for a ride when they are picked up by Royal Russell long and taken to his home in Evansville Wyoming
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there he feeds them a meal and after he offers them one hundred dollars for sex both of the girls refuse well that
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doesn't seem to work for Royal because he then pulls out a gun and ties both of the girls up
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after a while the 15 year old girl manages to break free she flees the house and runs to the neighbor's home
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when the police arrived at the home long and bald eagle were both gone twelve-year-old Sharon bald eagle was
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reported to have with her a red bag and she was wearing a black yellowish tiger-striped top and black shoes
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well not only are the police looking for the little girl they're looking for Royal Russell long as well
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long is reported to be in an early 80s beige pickup truck with a cowboy camper long while he's on the Run he starts to
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call friends and relatives in the area of his home he is asking for them to wire money transfers to him police Trace
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these calls to Albuquerque New Mexico later in early October Royal Russell long is arrested at a parking lot pay
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phone in Albuquerque New Mexico but the girl Sharon was not with him in fact long had a much different story
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than the 15 year old girl that called the police on him of course he did long said he picked up the girls he believed
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they were both 18. he offered them money for sex and they accepted afterward the two girls revealed to him
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their real ages and they were attempting to blackmail him for more money when the older girl fled he panicked and
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he left with Sharon Royal long maintained he drove Sharon bald eagle to Cheyenne and found her a ride to Texas
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this is a trucker he said he knew who agreed to drive the girl to Dallas Fort Worth area and let her go
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police searched all over and they never found Sharon bald eagle and they never found this trucker if in fact he even
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existed at all right Royal long denied knowing bald eagles whereabouts Royal long later pled guilty to
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kidnapping and assaulting both of the girls for this he was given life sentences there was no trial
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now what took place after this we have Casper Police they start noticing similarities between their case
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that they've recently solved and the unsolved Kenzie pallet missing persons investigation
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and they contacted OKC detectives so now we have Oklahoma City and they are interested in talking to Royal long
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he says he had nothing to do with this disappearance now keep in mind this is three years earlier and many many miles
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away from his home however we still have those eyewitnesses the two OKC boys they positively
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identify Royal Russell long as having been the man the older man that took the two girls away in a vehicle right now
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remember they were unable to do this with a prior suspect I think this adds to the validity of this identification
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that they are now positively making investigators they start searching because what they need to do is we have
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these eyewitnesses but we also need to place Royal Russell long in OKC or at least the area of there the day of the
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disappearances what they find is they find that long had rented a vehicle they rent he rented this using his name his
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identification driver's license right the vehicle that he rented was a 1981 beige Pontiac Grand Prix the same
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vehicle described by the two boys shortly after the abduction which makes them pointing him out as the suspect
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even more likely yes and it seems like they've got their information correct that they are providing to police
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immediately after the abduction and then several years after the fact yeah what police surmise in their investigation is
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that we have this individual Royal Russell long Who We Know by his own admission is capable of abducting two
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young girls and sexually assaulting them we now can place him in Oklahoma City we have the
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witnesses who identify him we have his having rented the vehicle for that day they believe that at some
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point while he was in the area he either came across or stole Donald Corey's ID badge which he used to show to the
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children when he was pretending to hire them to offload this truck the police searched Royal Russell Long's home and
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what they find there is interesting it's blonde hair that seems to be consistent
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with that of Charlotte June Kinsey's police this would take some time Captain but they somehow managed to track down
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the rental car that was used three years prior right with this rental car they find blonde hair again consistent with
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that of Charlotte Kinsey's this is under a mat in the vehicle the trunk they found someone had painted the trunk the
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inside of it well when they lit the thing up with luminol looking for blood it glowed
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what it showed was an outline and the outline almost looked like there was two bodies placed in the trunk that would
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have left their own blood from each of these bodies there is a little bit of an issue with
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this the stains or the luminal findings in the trunk however they couldn't prove
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that this came from human bodies in fact you have the investigators that say that
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it could have been animal blood it could have been two animals lying side by side
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in the trunk right but they believe it to have been the girls and then in February of 1985 Royal
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Russell long he's by now suspected in this disappearance obviously of the Oklahoma
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City teenagers he tells a Wyoming newspaper that he was in the area that he was at the fairgrounds on the day
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that the two were abducted however he states he was there to conduct some business okay so we have eyewitnesses
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that say he's the guy we have the rental car and now we have him himself Russell's
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saying hey I was there yeah I was just there to do business correct because I'm a businessman well and he wouldn't
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elaborate as to what that business was and of course investigators couldn't find any reason for him to be there
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business-wise and he does his business is murder yeah even though he admits to being there he he
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emphatically denies any knowledge of the girls their whereabouts or even having seen them on the day that he puts
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himself at the fairgrounds police now believe that they are probably working with a serial killer here yeah okay they
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believe this guy abducted four different girls and is responsible for the murder
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of three of them because three of them have never been seen again and one we know was last seen with long and then we
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have these eyewitnesses putting the other two girls with long as well yeah this trial is going to take place in
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1985 and there's going to be a lot of issues with this trial okay so first we have this man long who is already in
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prison he's admitted to kidnapping two girls he's serving life sentences they're going to have to extradite him
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back to Wyoming and I think the way that this worked out is that they put a bit of a time frame
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on how long they were willing to keep him there as he awaited the trial and I think the Judge put a 180 day limit on
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reviewing the evidence to determine if this guy was guilty or if in fact that the trial should proceed at all
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so they extradite him back to Wyoming and as he's there we have investigators that are still collecting evidence and
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prosecutors that are now trying to build a case against this man and they have an
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uphill battle against them because at this time what Wyoming is going to see is a murder trial with no bodies and I
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believe that this is the second only the second time that they have faced such a
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trial the other thing that they're going to face Captain is what would be considered a lack of evidence in this
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case because we have a judge presiding and he's going to determine what is evidence that can be
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introduced at trial and what is going to be thrown out well at the Crux of this whole thing at the start of this
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investigation is the Casper Police they contacted Oklahoma City Police and said hey look we just solved this case
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we have the guy and this is a whole similar scenario to what we believe happened in Oklahoma City right and of
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course OKC Police they went along with it because it is it's it's it's a very similar story however and I think
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rightfully so in this situation the judge says that's not evidence you can't just because this guy admitted to doing
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this thing elsewhere in another state that seems similar to all of us that's not evidence that he in fact did this
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other crime no it just kind of points you in that direction yeah and I guess even though they could put him there
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with eyewitnesses and the rental vehicle and all of that right right so let's go
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over this again so we got the rental car you got the eyewitnesses we got his statements saying that he was there yeah
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well we have hairs that were found there were hairs that were found they're not identical unified to being that of one
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of the missing girls but they're identified as being consistent with one of the girls at his home and in the
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rental vehicle itself we have the blood we have we know that there was blood at some point in that rental vehicle and it
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looks to have come from two different sources right again the the experts would say we can't prove that that
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wasn't animal blood we can't prove that it was human blood um but there was blood in that vehicle
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at some point somebody took the time to paint over it so a couple things here that you really have to wonder about
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because you have this judge who's who's trying to decide what is circumstantial evidence and what is just what is
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Hardcore evidence and you could really make an argument I think for both sides when you look at it from the prosecution
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side and from the investigator side it it seems like you have this mountain of evidence against this guy but this
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mountain is going to start to crumble okay because you have you have the experts that are saying we we don't know
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if there's animal blood or human blood right how much can you do with that at trial right and then we don't have the
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bodies we don't have the bodies and back then they wouldn't have the capability to determine if in fact it was
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the hair that belonged to one of the missing girls also remember we have the daughter
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Long's daughter who was willing to testify against him in court well that gets thrown out by the judge and this is
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because you know the judge is going to say look these are separate crimes that she is accusing her father of
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if in fact you want to charge him with those crimes you can but then again you have to have evidence this is now her
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word against his word so the daughter's testimony is not allowed at court and much of what looks
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to be good evidence is thrown out all you're really left with is knowing that he rented a vehicle and he was in the
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area at the time of The Disappearance of these two 13 year old girls so what ends up happening Captain very
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this is very frustrating but the judge throws out a lot of the evidence and long story short dismisses the trial for
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lack of evidence so now we have long who is saying well I was you know they extradited me to
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another state I was held there I would receive death threats while I was there and now he's going to sue the state he
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says he's going to sue the state of Oklahoma for 10 million dollars it's a lot of money should he be awarded
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that as he sits in prison and serves life sentences yeah that's a lot of uh well I guess I get cable some places get
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cable and you get snacks oh yeah the commentary you could you can buy a lot of uh Paul malls with 10 million dollars
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Bond you could also buy like other people in prison snacks too that way like your buddies yeah you got some
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people protecting you so there is a what I could find on this regarding this lawsuit was a one-page document and it
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seems to be a very brief overview of how this whole thing transpired it said it was entitled oh hell no
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right right that's what I said right at the top of the page oh hell no um I think that and I'm not positive
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because I didn't print off that one page document I think it might have been the
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same judge for the lawsuit as for what have would have been the criminal charges he was facing for the double
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homicide he was awarded uh Victor in that lawsuit 10 million dollars they gave him one
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dollar because I think that I think the way this things works is that if you are
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able to prove you know so much so that I I think this is a way of making this lawsuit go away right because you could
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then keep filing and filing and filing and what he was suing for was a lot of different things not only the wrongful
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potential wrongful conviction or indictment he's charging for you know he says he received death threats while he
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was there for the 180 days he also had to have counsel he had a higher counsel for all of that time so when this is all
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said and done he gets one dollar he goes back to the beautiful state of Wyoming to rot away in a prison cell for the
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rest of his life there's so much troubling stuff here captain and I I think that I lean toward
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the side of the judge's findings that maybe there just wasn't enough evidence to carry this trial all the way through
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the problem is and we've seen this in cases that we've discussed and maybe even cases that we've recently talked
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about where yeah you have to wonder does the double life sentence weigh a factor
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into the judge's decision and I know that that it's not supposed to technically probably does when he's
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making that determination but is it one of those situations where it's like we know this guy's locked up he can't do
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any more harm hopefully I know the judge shouldn't be thinking this hopefully there's some prison Justice going on and
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rather than rather than take this case and get a conviction that might be later overturned maybe let's toss this one out
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yeah um I agree but I mean I think it's difficult I mean but like you said at the end of the day no matter what
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happens you already have two wins as far as the two life sentences so I I think it plays a factor no matter what they
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say it does it play a factor and today so when they're searching his home you know that they're going there looking
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for specific items that would really sure up their case against him right you know they didn't find the ID badge that
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they presume he stole or found they would have hoped to have found anything clothing wise or anything that
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the girls would have had on them that day in his home they didn't find that and the other thing too is we don't have
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DNA back then that we could use to on the hairs or any of the items potentially found or evidence found in
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that car right so with DNA if they would have found something of the girls at his
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home you could have got a conviction also the bodies there's no bodies and I think that's also the the tough thing
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for the judge to get over in that situation well I understand that but also if you process the evidence
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correctly then we have that stuff to process later and then we could at least get some closure for the family or
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friends or or whoever I I hate using that word closure because I don't think there is closure right but
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I there you get some answers and so I I think you get answers at least in the one case because we have the
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eyewitnesses and we also have him saying I was there we also have the rental car
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we have a lot of stuff even the the judge threw that out I'm not going to be able to forget about
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that and even though they didn't get a conviction I know both sets of parents were truly hoping at the end of the day
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to bring their daughters home to lay them to rest at home right and that didn't get to happen in fact I know the
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one girl her father traveled all over the country and this was when the remains would be found he would go to
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these different states he spent a lot of time and a lot of money a good portion of his life trying to track down his
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daughter be it if she were alive or deceased right now I should point out here that the whole defense that long
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had and I think this was uh this was a good defense presented by his defense team and the attorney was that the state
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had such a problem with having no bodies in this murder trial so what the defense suggested was look
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shortly after these girls went missing we have tips that were coming in saying oh I saw these girls here saw these
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girls there there were tips that came in even I think a year or so later that they tracked down to Florida now these
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tips never went anywhere it never produced the girls obviously and most likely we've seen this in a lot of cases
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where you have people they want to see something they want to help therefore they call in you know you see something
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you say something they call in and likely these weren't credible eyewitness accounts but they're
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just good people trying to help and assist in some way but it's just like the Jamie Kloss case where there was
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eyewitnesses that possibly saw her in Florida and they're just like and now we know that that's not the case there was
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no chance that she was in Florida so I I don't know but I think they get some answers though whether or not the
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Court gives them answers I think the evidence gives you answers and and maybe that can be enough for them I mean it is
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sad that he's the father was flying everywhere and traveling everywhere to try to bring back the
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remains but it's also a tricky thing here because he's not convicted of a double homicide
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or a murder so then it becomes did they get away was it another botched thing or
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or did he murder them but so but I'm I'm assuming uh he did I think all signs point toward
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unfortunately that they were killed at some point they've never resurfaced they these two girls that we're discussing
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now were 13 years old they weren't unlike the 19 year olds they have less the ability of a startup elsewhere and
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the other thing too that we have to point out is it's very clear from those two boys that they were with at the fair
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that day they gave enough correct information that the police were later able to verify to me that really shows
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that Russell long Royal Russell long was with those girls and he was very likely the
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last person they were ever seen with so there for me I I think that's enough of all the arrows pointing to this guy
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being involved in their abduction and if they've never resurfaced you have to believe they've probably
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been killed right and also there's a bunch of blood in a trunk [Music] all right Ahoy
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cheers mate that's very cold chilly cheers to you Captain a cold front has hit the Midwest everybody bring your
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animals inside don't leave your pets out too long it is free I lost a finger we were just
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outside the garage I'm now down to nine fingers I got the nine good ones eight good ones that's right he has a funky
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finger so Captain I'm gonna Pat myself on the back here I think I did a fairly good job of laying out the facts of
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these missing persons cases we have eight abductions we have two bodies that are found
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we have five girls that are never seen again no remains to this day have been found and we have one Brave girl who
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gets away and at the center of this seems to be this potential serial killer who he
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could be potentially responsible for all of these cases he also could be responsible for cases we are unaware of
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right but he he's dead yes died in prison he died of an apparent heart attack in prison this was in 1993. so
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whatever Secrets he was keeping he kept he still has them we will not know uh what he may have confessed to later in
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life or what they would be able to get him to um you know confess to any of these or
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offer up evidence as to what could have happened to any of these girls well I'm gonna I'm gonna say something and uh we
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go back and forth on the death penalty right and no matter what you say about it either way you're going to get hate
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mail but the one nice thing about having the death penalty is that if that is on the table
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that sometimes can get people to confess to other crimes therefore having answers to other crimes
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right and so that is a part of it that I do like about it but the part where that
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you know innocent people die on death row because our justice system got it wrong I don't like at all right there's
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there's problems both ways yeah yeah so uh but yeah this this one's difficult because
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he had no he was he had two life sentences yes and so there's no negotiating he had no reason to come
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forward and say hey you know what I did these other crimes and I'm responsible especially
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when there aren't bodies found right it's like why would he admit to any of these things but
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now obviously we have the two that he's convicted of uh now we didn't find her body he's not convicted of murder but
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let's just go ahead and say he's a piece of [ __ ] and guilty of that agreed and then as far as the other two in
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Oklahoma that he was tried for and they you know basically tossed out all the evidence
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which again that doesn't make a lot of sense to me but I'm going to go ahead and say
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there's enough evidence in my eyes and the and the the jury is out as far as the garage
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jury you're a piece of [ __ ] not once but twice in that case so you to me he's responsible for those
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murders we have enough evidence I think to convict him well before we move on from
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those two the two girls 13 year olds in Oklahoma I think that really all we have
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to State here is that if you if you believe the two boys the two eyewitnesses who I think gave very good
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information to investigators and it was later proven to be true and backed up even though it didn't work in the court
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of law right I think that as long as you believe those two boys and we already know what he's capable of long because
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he confessed to two abductions and sexual assaults already I think that that's an easy no-brainer
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that out of these eight abductions he's responsible for four of them and and within those four there's three dead
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people there I mean there's three dead victims here right they've never surfaced from that day yeah yeah so that
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leaves the four that took place within a seven week time period in Rollins Wyoming now we know that he was roughly
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in the area at that time three of the abductions have one thing in common they all took place at a rodeo yeah and we
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have Royal Russell long who was known to frequent rodeos he was also known to have worked at Fairgrounds I mean he had
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a truck with a camper on it hmm Cowboy camper Cowboy camper because they should call him creeper campers
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because I mean that the I mean you want to talk you want to talk about stepping up the game
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the van ban the creeper camper because there's maybe nothing creepier those are more creepier
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than the creep fans well one thing I should point out here in is that you own one of them is that where there's not a
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lot of information especially on these earlier victims there's also not a ton of information on Royal Russell long
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himself now what I was able to find what images I was able to find of him it seems to be like this guy was switching
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vehicles an awful lot throughout his adult life right because that's always a big red flag right once you murder
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somebody and blood gets everywhere you have to sell the vehicle or if you if you believe that there may have been
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a witness to seeing your vehicle you're right you you got to change the color of it you got to change the plates
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you got to get rid of the vehicle switch to a different one all kinds of things that he would have been doing should he
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have been responsible for all eight of these now as far as the two the the Rawlings rodeo and the other Rodeo
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I'm gonna say he's my number one suspect in those I agree Prime Suspect the 19 year olds
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oh they were at the rodeo yeah no no but what I mean by the 19 is maybe old as far as his victim profile goes
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older but uh it's still in that range I think so he's my numbers one suspect in those uh and then the other Rodeo case
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the I'm forgetting her name this uh Baker Baker or Banker I'm sorry um the the young girl the 14 year old
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girl the one that was walked by herself that's not out of rodeo yes he's in the area
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but there's a lot of creeps out there yeah you're referring to Deborah uh Meyer's case yeah sorry Deborah Myers
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case 14 years old that's the only one that I wouldn't have him be my number one suspect in I I feel
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that he's guilty you know of murdering the first girl murdering the two uh that we have
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eyewitnesses for and then every all the other cases number one suspect if if you're looking for an answer
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that's probably your answer but as far as the Deborah case it's just there's no there's no information on her there's no
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information on him we have no clue if he's in the area you know and it's not at a rodeo or
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Fairgrounds and I think that was his in yeah and and I wouldn't be surprised if there's other cases
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and surrounding areas that have other state fairs that there's missing people that he might be connected to well and
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he he was a truck driver for some point in his life as well which adds a whole nother set of problems right you know
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how far was he traveling how often was he traveling and if he was simply an object opportunistic serial killer right
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I don't think that it needs he needs much pushing to find an opportunity to snatch somebody well no he he
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yeah yeah he's creating the opportunity because he's going to these events I mean
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I'm look that's a clever idea still somebody else's name badge I mean and he might not have stole it so that the boys
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saw that but he might have stole it to get access into like the fair and so and especially back then
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you're talking about a time where there's just less security there's just you know people kind of turning the
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well there's less surveillance being recorded and you know there's less means of doing so and I do want to throw
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something out here though uh as I go through this but I think to me it's very obvious I agree with you 100 the last
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four abductions he's got to be responsible for all four of those even though not convicted in court for two of
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them but he's convicted in the court of the garage that's right use you sir we sentence you
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you're a piece of [ __ ] wrapped in a piece of [ __ ] well and then we have the issue of the four missing girls from
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just a seven week time period in 1974 in Rollins uh Wyoming where I think that you could probably make him your prime
00:34:28
suspect in at least three out of those four I'm with you with the Deborah case I think that the problem I have there is
00:34:34
yes he's in the area for all four of those and that makes it difficult to rule them out and I wouldn't rule them
00:34:39
out for all four of them however with Deborah's case I'm just so frustrated at the lack of of information regarding
00:34:46
that I think that there's any number of possibilities that could have happened right and I think that we're we're
00:34:52
really left guessing on that one so I kind of tossed that one out and and save it for a later day and hope and pray
00:34:58
that somebody provides some more information in that case but at least that's a lead you know that's pretty
00:35:05
amazing there's nothing on that case but hey guess what we offered you up a lead
00:35:10
here's a guy to look at well and while we're tossing some things out I should also point out that some people think
00:35:16
that the infamous Ted Bundy might have been involved in some of these cases this would have been the 1974 cases as
00:35:23
we all know Bundy was a rapist kidnapper and serial killer who assaulted and murdered many young women and girls
00:35:29
during the 1970s and these some of the states that he was active include Utah and Colorado among other states and he
00:35:38
confessed as we know shortly before his execution to possibly 30 homicides between 1974 and 1978 the true total
00:35:46
remains unknown could even be higher as far as we know but the interesting thing here is what
00:35:53
is between Colorado and Utah when we have Interstate 80 and we have Rollins Wyoming now Bundy has never officially
00:36:01
been tied to any of the missing Rollins girls but also something to take into consideration well as we're talking
00:36:08
about that dick bag of [ __ ] um because the the Bundy tapes were released as far as Netflix and I think
00:36:18
it was put together well I think they they missed some stuff I mean it was pretty long from
00:36:24
they could have done a little bit better job there but now you got this new movie
00:36:28
where Zac Efron which I have no problem with him he's just doing his job being an actor here's what I'm worried about
00:36:35
and this is on a little soapbox so give me about 45 seconds based on the trailers though
00:36:45
there it's almost like they're glamorizing it and that's what I'm afraid of I think people are going to
00:36:52
walk out of that movie and and really think oh man this guy was like some kind of rock star
00:36:59
he wasn't he was a dick bag of of [ __ ] is what he was and so when you're watching this movie and they're painting
00:37:07
him with these rose petal glasses remember that he had sex with dead bodies yeah so
00:37:15
you know I that I don't know I I every time I see the trailer for that movie and I was excited that it was coming out
00:37:22
because I'm a true crime fan but to not let's not glamorize it and I hope that's not what happens I hope people
00:37:29
watch it and say hey that's not what they did but that's the direction the trailer makes it seem they they make it
00:37:35
seem like it's a a mix between a serial killer movie and 50 Shades of Gray well it's going to be 50 Shades of [ __ ]
00:37:45
that's what I'm telling you well and then you have to wonder why have we not found any of these remains all these
00:37:51
years later and I found some a statement regarding the prosecutor that attempted
00:37:57
to prosecute long for the double homicide in the two missing girls case in Oklahoma City
00:38:03
and this was after the trial and he says look and I love when these guys go on record and state what they believe even
00:38:11
though he wasn't victorious in the court of law he says what we're dealing with here is a serial killer we're dealing
00:38:17
with a guy in his opinion is someone that has not only capable of murder but has done it multiple times and he even
00:38:23
stayed that we that we're pretty convinced of he even states that he's convinced that there are other victims
00:38:30
out there that are not even tied to Royal Russell long and regarding where the bodies could be regarding these
00:38:38
victims I have a quote from the prosecutor that says that he truly believes that he thinks that he could
00:38:44
show you that the bodies are likely within 45 miles of where they sit right now and I don't know where he was
00:38:51
sitting when he said that right but he states that he believes that they would have been in Rat holes and this comes
00:38:57
from a statement of a fellow inmate that served time with royal Russell long now
00:39:03
long was a trained meat cutter and I guess he told according to this inmate told this inmate that if you cut the
00:39:11
bodies up small enough and shove them down a rat hole no one will ever find them
00:39:17
and the prosecutor goes on to say that he believes that within 45 miles of wherever they were that you could
00:39:23
probably find all of those bodies we know that we know that long worked for some time delivering equipment to drill
00:39:31
rigs in the area right and he believes that if there were if there were time in in the proper resources to do so upon
00:39:40
further investigation you know they would find these bodies eventually in these rat holes the
00:39:46
problem with that is as he points out in this article is there's tens of thousands of them in that area where
00:39:53
long worked and you know over the years we have changing um you know we have changing Landscapes overgrown
00:40:03
grass things of that nature that makes it only harder and harder and as the time passes unfortunately I don't think
00:40:10
we're going to find these remains and the other sad thing too is it seems to be a good lack of
00:40:18
information regarding these missing girls that you might not be able to tie remains should you find some next week
00:40:25
next year 10 years from now to these actual victims we have cases where we don't have information regarding what
00:40:33
items they had on them you know what were they wearing did they have jewelry uh we have a lack of dental records and
00:40:40
in fact one of the cases where they found the body they outwardly say we we connected this girl was missing for nine
00:40:47
years can you imagine the state of the body by the time they found it right only to be told that we we match this to
00:40:55
her through a partial Dental record I would love to know the specifics of what that partial Dental record was to match
00:41:04
it to that girl and and I I don't say that to to to sound Doom and Gloom here but
00:41:12
did they actually match it was could it have been somebody else right and could in fact her body be disposed of in a
00:41:20
similar manner to the her friend that was with her that has never been found to this day well that's one of the
00:41:26
things with law enforcement and crimes in general as we get into the future is technology more surveillance more DNA
00:41:35
you know touch DNA a lot more testing that we can do and then also just as far as medical records what they're
00:41:43
collecting from people before you know before God forbid something happens to somebody but there's a lot more records
00:41:50
now so at least I think going into the future we're going to look back on the 70s especially the the late 60s and the
00:41:59
70s and think wow man that was very primitive I mean if we didn't get a fingerprint we're not solving cases so I
00:42:08
think as far as you know that's a good thing as far as advancement in technology well and I do
00:42:15
want to give a Kudos a a my take my hat off to the parents of the missing that stayed involved and kept their cases
00:42:23
alive we saw a very big contrast between some of these victims here where some of
00:42:30
the victims have no information at all about them or about their disappearance and then others where there is more of a
00:42:38
wealth of information right and I don't mean to mean that in a negative way towards the cases where we don't have
00:42:46
any information towards those parents maybe they didn't know how to do certain things how to keep the case in the
00:42:53
Public's eye plus we're also talking about small town America or didn't have the means or did it have a job that let
00:43:01
them take it well not only not only that what about the what about the resources
00:43:06
within those towns where they're from you know what I mean what I mean by that is what if those news articles are out
00:43:13
there and they did exist at one time but they never got sent down the wire throughout other cities throughout other
00:43:19
states in America and so I don't mean to blame the parents there but I do want to
00:43:23
give a kudos to the ones that did stay involved and and that we do have information regarding them well I mean
00:43:30
just think about that though too I mean and of the crime happened today and somebody went missing and maybe you
00:43:38
don't find that person but they find some evidence they can test that there's hope that there could be some
00:43:46
um answer that you're going to get back in that day it was like okay she went missing and we have no eyewitnesses
00:43:55
what do you just talk about you just keep going while she's missing somebody has to help us find Wendy when do you
00:44:02
give up because again there's so much lack of Technology at that point you know it's like I feel for him and also
00:44:09
just lack of media especially early 70s you know not everybody was having a TV in their house right you know where
00:44:18
where you start getting into the 90s and and everybody has a TV and everybody has
00:44:22
a computer and everybody's connected through this social interwebs I mean um I'm not I'm not saying that you or
00:44:32
are talking trash about the parents but I'm just saying think about the time period And it's like and what if your
00:44:38
newspaper is lazy and they're not writing anything up or they just don't care we don't want you know there's
00:44:44
towns that somebody goes missing in and then they everybody rallies around them and there's other towns where they're
00:44:50
like we don't want to print this we don't want people in our town to be fearful of their kid going missing so
00:44:57
and if that doesn't happen in 1974 well stories done well until there's a break and if you have a girl that's from out
00:45:06
of town and nobody's really certain what happened I mean is is was hers just a story not
00:45:12
on the front page somewhere and then it's been lost through all these decades well yeah and what I'm saying is if that
00:45:18
town is going hey she's not from around here we don't want to print this up and then her Town's going well we don't want
00:45:24
to print this up because she went missing in another town I mean it's not like now where you you take like a case
00:45:30
like the Delphi murders and it's like it's going to be constantly on people's brains and constantly people are going
00:45:36
to be searching for leads because it's constantly in your face you're constantly reminded of it well and
00:45:42
really the only information out there on most of these cases is available on the
00:45:48
missing person sites that we all know and we we referenced several of those along the way and telling the story of
00:45:54
this of all these missing girls they're I mean there's so little information that you know and I love you and I have
00:46:01
said this several times we love web sleuths big shout out to the web sleuth Community we love Reddit big shout out
00:46:08
to that Community too but if you get on there you know oftentimes when you research cases or look for leads on
00:46:15
those two sites there's a lot out there there's a lot to be presented to you a lot to digest and you can run with it
00:46:22
regarding these cases very few posts because there's just no there's no meat on the bone right you know there's no
00:46:30
nothing to these disappearances there's not a big story to it there's not a big investigation to be had by armchair
00:46:38
detectives or web sluice to this day because there's just not much there now while we're handing out thank yous
00:46:46
and kudos to people I do want to give a uh kudos to Janet Franson who we mentioned earlier who she has worked and
00:46:55
she's still to this day looking for uh potential family members of Carlene Brown who was adopted and the way that
00:47:05
that works is that once you're adopted and you've been in your your new situation for years your adoptive
00:47:13
parents and the parents that put you up for adoption they can equally agree to toss out those records they can be
00:47:20
thrown out right and because of that and because that was agreed upon at that time
00:47:26
they can't find her birth parents and therefore that's why they don't have DNA samples to try to put together a DNA
00:47:33
profile and the reason why I give Janet Franson Kudos is because not only did she work that case in many many other
00:47:41
cases throughout her years of service but in searching for information on these cases I would go to these
00:47:47
different sites and I would see several times where she posted a comment on one of the very brief stories that said hey
00:47:54
I was looking for or I am looking for family members of Carlene Brown if anybody knows any information here's my
00:48:02
email address and so thank you to her for going above and beyond and I hope that if you know the cases that she's
00:48:08
still working I wish her good luck in all of those I do want to quote her regarding uh her statements that she has
00:48:15
said publicly about Royal Russell long she says there are similarities between those cases and the Rollins case and she
00:48:24
says these similarities in her opinion are strong she added quote not only did he drive trucks but he killed girls all
00:48:32
over the country there's no doubt in my mind there are more victims of his than we will probably ever know she also says
00:48:40
quote the only good thing is that I know the son of a gun is in hell and he won't
00:48:45
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the darkest night on September 24th 1973 11 year old Amy Burridge and her 18 year
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old sister Becky Thompson were raped and thrown from a Fremont Canyon bridge near
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Casper Wyoming Amy died Becky survived two local Men Ron Kennedy and Jerry Jenkins were swiftly arrested this is a
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Wyoming solved case and a fantastic book that is the darkest night two sisters a
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brutal murder and the loss of innocence in a small town by Ron francell and we will have that listed on our website on
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