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grab a beer here let's talk some true [Music] cry just before 4:00 a.m. February 10th
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1999 Scarboro police receive a call from a motorist reporting a body lying in the
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center of pinepoint road Michael Lopes was a passenger in a car he was catching a ride home to Old Orchard Beach from
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work the night was Pitch Black there were no other cars on the road Michael saw no persons walking and
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nothing nothing unusual during the drive when suddenly the driver was forced to Swerve to avoid hitting
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something in the road it appeared to be a body when the car stopped Michael got out and ran over to the body and knelt
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beside it he first thought that someone had been hit by a car but no the body appeared to be placed there so very
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perfectly in the middle of the road Michael grabbed the shoulder and slowly turned the body over only to see
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the young expressionless face of Ashley olette her eyes were closed a bluish Hue
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on her cheeks her skin felt warm but she had no pulse this is true crime [Music]
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garage [Music] Ashley olette was born March 29th 1983 in beautiful Sako Maine which is in York
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County her parents are Robert and leas and together they ran a successful real estate agency they have one other child
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a daughter Lindsay who is just a couple of years younger than Ashley Ashley's Father Robert lived in Sako all of his
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life his whole entire life he was the president of his class for four years in high school this is at Thorton Academy
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he was a member of the city's historic commission and his brother Ashley's uncle is a former Sako City
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councelor her mother was not from Sako leas moved to Old Orchard Beach at Just 4 years of age her family moved from
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Quebec Ashley's mother has seven siblings that she remains close with so she's from a very big family leas
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considers herself to be a family oriented homebody Ashley is growing up in Sako Main in the
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90s this is a beautiful area there you will find beaches thick woodlands and like one would expect on the coast there
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are plenty of islands to visit this is a beautiful New England Town 17 miles south of Portland Maine so it's about a
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23 minute drive south of Portland the olette house was a modern bright yellow Cape Cod in a wooded Better Homes and
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Gardens type neighborhood the yard in landscaping was always topnotch always meticulous it was well known that
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Ashley's parents would do anything for their children in fact her friends used to tell as Ashley You've Got It Made and
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Ashley would respond I know some of her things that she loved she loved Italian sandwiches who doesn't
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she idolized Marilyn Monroe Norma Jean mortensson and Ashley kept her Hollywood style
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bedroom so tidy she was known as Miss neat to her family she kept her shoes lined up in uniform rows in her closet
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her clothing shirts shorts shorts pants all piled up neatly in dresser drawers she kept perfume bottles makeup
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containers nail polish and such all lined up and arranged very neatly and precisely on her bedside table Ashley
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was fun and outgoing she made friends very easily now some described her as headstrong and at times even a little
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defiant in elementary school Ashley was a very good student her second grade teacher said Ashley was like a sponge
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because she just absorbed everything but then came her time at Sako Middle School
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her mother says that Ashley was always an a student this up until middle school the middle school years became difficult
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for Ashley and this was more I think captain of a social thing not so much an intelligence thing you know we see this
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in a lot of kids lives when they start to become very social Social Butterflies if you will the social part of school
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becomes much more important than the academic part of school yeah she was an attractive young lady and I think she
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was getting attention from the seventh and eighth grade boys and I think that led her to maybe take the social aspect
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of school a little more serious than the academic side and who doesn't love a little bit of attention and it seems
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like she really enjoyed the attention yeah when I was in sixth grade I got a lot of attention from the seventh and
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eighth grade boys as well I was the guy that had to sit in the corner in every classroom MH so the grades for Ashley
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they start to drop a little once she hits sixth grade and then they stay low and unimpressive in seventh grade as
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well this is about the same time that she starts to disregard some of her parents and household rules so she has a
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curfew of 900 p.m. when she's in seventh grade she didn't just break that curfew
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once she is disregarding this curfew regularly in eighth grade she started smoking cigarettes she's drinking a
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little bit and staying out later and later and it's well known that some nights she didn't even come home at all
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efforts to reason with her from her parents you can picture how this is going to go mom and dad are going to try
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to enforce the household rules try to Sten out daughter this is going to turn into arguments and it's going to turn
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into parents butting heads with their young daughter it seems Captain like at this point Ashley's a bit of out of
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control it's also believe that she may have become sexually active around this time now I do want to clear something up
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because I didn't think that this was an accurate depiction of what was going on some reports state that she had run away
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several times or run away many times I don't find that to be truthful at all and frankly I I I don't like the way
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that that's reported what the way that I think it should be reported is how we just stated it she's breaking curfew
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some night she's not coming home at all that's because she's out with friends and choosing not to come home she's not
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running away from a bad household or from parents that she does not love she's just breaking Mom and Dad's rules
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in fact we do know that Ashley was very close with her mother even though they had some of these disagreements now over
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the next two years of Ashley's life her parents they're going to struggle because they're trying to re her in a
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little bit she's got this Wild Spirit she's a free spirit but they also don't want to push her away so they're kind of
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walking a tight RPP the other thing too keep in mind Ashley has a younger sister
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and you don't want older sister kind of Paving the way of doing whatever the heck she wants for the younger sister
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thinking that that is acceptable well like I said Ashley's hanging out with some individuals that are just a little
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bit older than her but some some teenagers get this mentality of like I I want to be an adult I want to grow up
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faster than than one should and now looking back on things it's like you know it' be nice to stay that
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age for a little bit longer I agree with you there's there's times I wish I would
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have stayed 15 forever yeah no bills for a couple of couple of decades at least so her parents decide that they're going
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to enroll her at this place called sweet sir Children's Services in Sako this is
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for a week of inpatient counseling and then in 1998 Ashley enrolled in Thorton Academy's alternative education program
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so now she's attend in the same school that her father once attended but she's going to be taking this alternative
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education program which is geared towards kids who are struggling in mainstream classes remember she's
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struggling because of of not taking School seriously and being worried too much about being social and hanging out
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with friends but between these two programs it seems like Mom and Dad have done some good things here and did some
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things right because Ashley started to turn her life around a bit this is from her dad he says after sweet sir things
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started to get better she was really making an effort and he says that he was proud of that Ashley's grades were
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improving and she was doing much better at home as well and he says that she was
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even trying to quit smoking well again teenagers go through phases and sometimes they realize
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hey this is not me breaking curfew me running around with these Knuckleheads and causing my family all
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this Guff right is not worth it so maybe I should just get my act together her parents say that she was also seeming to
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develop better friendships and they thought that she was acting more maturely better
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friendships is a good thing too because right when when the kid brings home some
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some knucklehead boy or girl that that yeah knucklehead that is seems to be a shady character you you wonder oh when
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my child leaves these four walls does he or she behave like the person that they
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just brought home to to meet Mom and Dad yeah I think Rocky said it and Rocky won
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best if you hang out with coconut friends and you become a coconut this is really impressive here at this young age
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Ashley coached a classmate her name is Kimberly really helped her through a pregnancy and a childbirth
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and she was also trying to help a friend who was battling bulimia so two very serious situations and I love seeing
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Ashley step up here showing some maturity and also showing that she's got the backs of her friends that are going
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through some difficult times yeah and I know it sounds cheesy but service to others becomes a service to yourself now
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as we all heard in today's trailer unfortunately the this is a homicide case in 1999 Ashley was just a sophomore
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at Thorton Academy at the time of her death she would have graduated in 2001 well let's dive into the timeline of
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this case so we're looking at Tuesday February 9th again this is 1999 we have Ashley she's 15 at the time
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she asked her mother if she can stay the night at a friend's house it's a school
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night normally this won't fly in most households but Mom says you know what she was going to make an exception here
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well the friend only lived like a mile away yeah so her mother Lee says yes that's our rule as well in our house you
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don't stay the night or have friends over to stay the night on school nights but she was involved in these two
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programs her grades were coming up she was acting more maturely I think Mom thought that this might be a little bit
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of a reward or a little pat on the back to say hey we see you're making an effort we know that you are concerned
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about being social and you want to hang out with your friends how about you go and have a little evening at your
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friend's house mom thought all would be fine she was expected Ashley was expected to go to school with her friend
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that she was staying the night at her house with the following morning MH this friend her name is all Li page now Mom
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says later she's going to tell the papers quote I almost said no because the rule is you don't go out on a school
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night but she said to me Ashley mom I've been doing so well so I said okay now here is where things start to get tricky
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right so mom takes Ashley remember she's only 15 so she's not able to drive herself at this time mom takes her to
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her friend's house and later would say when we got there the two two cars that she saw parked in the driveway were the
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cars that she knew belong to all I's parents these are her parents cars her friend's parents cars so Mom says I drop
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her off and I'm thinking driving away it's all good the kids parents are there mhm as the captain said Alli page lived
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at 57 James Street this is near downtown Sako this is only about a mile from Ashley's home which is located on
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Thunder Road well and she was also a good friend and she was a good person so it's like okay you know it's not like
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you're having your daughter spend the night on a school night with some scum bum right it's this is a good friend
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good person good influence they've been good friends for a long period of time what we're going to find out later sadly
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is that Ali PA's parents were not home that night this was a rude Little Miss Paige was going to be having
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a little party at her house that night in her parents' absence so let's go to 10 p.m. that night now one thing that we
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know happened for certain Ashley calls her parents and she's calling to check in
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because she wants to know had anybody called for her at her home that evening her mother said that the girls were
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painting their nails that's what they told them Ashley said that she you know normal I love you go back and
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forth I love you Mom and Mom says I love you too sweetheart and unfortunately those will be the last words that the
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two will exchange a little deeper into that timeline here Captain let's go to the
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Press Herold so after Ashley talks to her mom we have some young boys that are going to be coming over to for this
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party and soon soon after we have a guy named Edwin Hernandez he's age 19 at this time so
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unfortunately we have some young teenage girls and there might be some teenage boys there but we know of at least one
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adult male at this party at this time now Edwin is asked by Ashley if he would give her a ride to
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another location she tells this is according to Edwin and according to some of the people that
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were at the party that night Ashley tells Edwin that she needed to get to her aunt's house because she
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was going to be babysitting her nieces or nephews in the morning this guy agrees to give her a
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ride now Ashley what we would learn is really having him drive her to stevenh sandboards house so this is s miles away
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from the party house at 50 Mast Hill Road this is a double wide set far back in the woods down a long dirt road we
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have some better insight as to Ashley's intentions this from her good friend Aly
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page who says that before Ashley left she says to her friend I want to go see Steve when I get
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a buzz I get a crush on Steve a little bit of a background Steve and Ashley have known each other
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for a couple of years by this point M Ashley gets to Steve's house now keep in mind as far as we know and everything
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we're being told by all accounts Edwin Hernandez does not know that he is taking Ashley to another boy's house he
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is under the ruse that I'm driving her to a relative's house Ashley gets to Steven's house and knocks on the door
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and there's no answer so Edwin then drives her five miles back into town this to use a pay phone remember those
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things they're used to be a bunch of them now good luck find one yeah Superman used to change his outfits in
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those so they're at a pay phone at a gas station this is on flag Pond Road and Route One and this is at approximately
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10:40 5 p.m. and I'm betting you captain that the police have record of this as they should this being a call that was
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paid for Ashley calls the sandborn house and there's a guy named Christopher Cody
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who's living there he's 18 I believe he's 18 at the time he's staying at the Sanborn house I don't know the
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particulars of why he is staying there but it's reported that he is the one that answers this call it's reported he
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tries to wake up Steve but Steve is sleeping and says he doesn't want to talk to Ashley so no answer at the door
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not receptive to her call according to the people that are available today to tell us what happened that night but as
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the report goes around midnight Edwin drops Ashley back off at the sandborn house and then he after seeing her gain
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access to the house will then leave and it's reported that he goes back to the party that he and Ashley had left
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earlier the report here is a little bit odd Ashley knocks on the rear door to the basement of the sandborn house this
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is where there's two sandborn boys right we have Daniel sanbor who is 16 and we have Stephen sanbor who is I'm a little
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confused here because some reports state that he's 18 and I've seen a couple reports that say he was 19 at the time
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so somewhere in that age age range she's knocking on the rear door to this home this this door leads to the basement and
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it's my understanding captain that both the sandborn brothers each had a bedroom located in that basement all
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right so now we're at about 1230 Daniel sandborn 16 brother of Stephen wakes up with the knocking this
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is according to his statements he said that Ashley entered the home on her own and met he met her
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in the hallway now I there are plenty of reports that are backed up with multiple
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accounts that Daniel was at the same party that Ashley had came from and that he was there from approximately 6:00
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p.m. to 11:00 p.m. so maybe he was sleeping maybe he wasn't I think there's a lot of questionable details within
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these statements yeah and it seems like he had a relationship with Ashley like an on again off again relationship Steve
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from my understanding Steve did what makes it difficult here Captain is we got two sandborn brothers the way I
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understand it is that Daniel the younger brother may have had a a crush on Ashley Ashley not so interested in
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Daniel because she had had a previous relationship with Steve the older brother and as we were just told she had
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said to her good friend that she still had a crush on older brother Steve but she would know Daniel because he would
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be a classmate of hers at that Thorton Academy we also already covered that the friend of the Sanborns Christopher Cody
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was living at that home at the sandborn home also at this time so that's another
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variable that we have to throw in there so the reports are that Ashley arrives at the home around 12: to 12:30 a.m. we
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have parents Muriel and Earl sandburn are they are home at the time Ashley asked the mother if she could stay the
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night according to the sandborn mom she says that Ashley told her she needed a place to stay because she had gotten
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into an argument with her parents that evening and they kicked her out of the house right we have lies upon lies upon
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lies and some of them coming from our victim right Mrs sandborne says you know what I'll help you out you're allowed to
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stay the night but you're going to have to sleep on the couch in the basement now again mind you her son's bedrooms
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are also downstairs in this basement area at 12:45 a.m. Mariel says she saw Daniel her son getting an orange soda
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from the upstairs fridge when ask what he's doing he says he's getting a drink for Ashley and she sees her son take the
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soda downstairs to Ashley the report here is that Ashley says that it is too hot for her to sleep in the basement and
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that she decides to go upstairs to sleep on the couch that is located in the living room and according to Daniel
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sandborne he says that this is the last time so we're at 12:45 a.m. approximately he says that this is the
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last time that he ever sees Ashley olette yeah basically everybody's story at the sanberg house is that she left
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she eventually just decided to leave on her own accord yeah she went to go sleep
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on the couch everybody went to bed we wake up and she's gone she must have got up and decided that she was going to
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there all right Captain we talked about the evening the movements of our young lady here that
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that night and look she's she's twisting things a little bit herself to maybe get
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what she wants uh or to do whatever she wants that night to go where she wants that night yeah things a lot
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yeah and I'm also not going to pretend that we're getting the full story and every truthful detail from all parties
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involved absolutely not and I say that with not just the people at the sandburn home but also the teenagers and young
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adults that are attending this party on a Tuesday night on a school night maybe not everybody knows what's going on
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maybe people have reasons for not telling the truth we'll let the listeners decide for themselves what we
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have here is now we have the sandborn parents they say that they got up that morning at 6:45 a.m. and when they woke
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up that morning Ashley who they told could sleep on the couch not there at their house I don't want to point a lot
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of fingers here but I think there needs to be some finger pointing here I think that unfortunately that there is
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something that everybody multiple people you will see throughout this True Crime Story I think
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that there are things that a lot of people wish that they would have done differently yeah I mean first of all we
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have Ashley's mom that has come out she said look I wish I never would have let her go it was a school night then you
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have Ashley's friend that says hey I wish I would have never let her leave the party then you have the mother
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saying well once Ashley got to our house and is saying that hey I had this argument with my my mother and my
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parents and and I just need a place to stay she probably wishes that she would have just said he you know what you
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can't stay here and I'm going to drive you back to your parents house look I'm not trying to be bad cop to the kids out
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there I'm not trying to to play detective every day of my life but I'm just one of those people that I I want a
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little more information right when a kid tells me something I don't just always believe that it's true and again I'm not
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trying to fault anybody here but I I know in my heart that Ashley's mom wishes she could go back in time and
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just get out of the car knock on the door and say Hey kid it's nice that you're having my daughter stay the night
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tonight would you mind if I spoke with your mom or dad real quick right I know that I
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hope that the sandborn mom I I really wish that she would have picked up the phone and just said you know what if you
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want to if you want to stay here I don't want to kick you I'm not trying to kick
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you out mhm but can we just can I just have a quick phone call with your mom or dad to confirm that you know that you
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need a place to stay tonight and maybe maybe I guess in her defense that she thought that the kid would run off if if
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she tried to pull that move but I still think that that's probably the right move I don't know it's it's these
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stories are always difficult to tell and when you're researching it and you're and you're going through the information
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there's always these parts that I know that everybody wishes that they could change couldn't stop myself from voicing
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that here not trying to blame anybody but we all have regrets I know that I have regrets there's always things that
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we know that we could have done differently and probably better we have these time points the these events that
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take place in a very short timeline the next point in our timeline is at 3:57 a.m. on February 10th remember the party
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was at her friend's house the night before February 9th this is when Mike Lopes he's driving home and there's a
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little more detail in this that that I think is necessary he is actually requested a ride he was having some
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vehicle trouble so he's leaving work and he's he's going home and he's now in the
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car with his mom and they are driving and they're out in the middle of this dark desolate stretch of road this is
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Pine Point Road in Scarboro Maine yeah and if you saw a picture of this in the daytime there's nothing to the left and
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nothing to the right it's just nothing just a road and nothing I was lucky enough to go to Maine and I tell you
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that's that's part of the beauty of the state that there's not a whole lot of stuff right not a whole lot of man-made
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stuff that's cluttering up the area this spot would be roughly 10 miles from the
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F born residents and Mike Lopes would say that when they're driving they come across what they think appears to be a
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body that's lying in the middle of the road mhm we would later learn that this is Ashley this turns out to be Ashley
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Mike says that in the beam of the headlights it looked to him like whoever it was and and he he actually says that
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he couldn't tell if it was male or female just that it was a person he thought that the person looked to have
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been placed there and that she was lying face down on the center line of the road
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now he actually approaches the body tries to turn her over and he says that she was blue there was a little bit of
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blood around her mouth it's February and it's in Maine so it's pretty cold but her body is still warm to the touch
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you're exactly right so it was 36° would be the high for that day the well let me be clear the average high
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for February and Maine is 36° the low the average low would be 16 degrees in February so it's probably somewhere in
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that range he says that that when they approach the body that again that she was lying there almost like she was
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placed there neatly her arms are at her sides her legs are straight toes are pointed down and as the captain said her
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body was still warm even in the cold February night yeah and look when you're driving on
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these I guess you could call them a rural road but you got to be careful of deer or other animals that might jump
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into your pathway and then you see this object from everything I read it seems like they had to you know swerve and and
00:35:52
make sure they they didn't hit it mhm he gets out of the car realizes it's just a person turns her
00:36:01
body over try you know she's warm to the touch tries to do CPR and then you go well why would this person be in the
00:36:13
middle of the road did they get hit by a car mhm well you wouldn't have your arms
00:36:19
placed to your side you your legs wouldn't be straight there was no evidence that she
00:36:24
was hit by a car so then it's like who placed her here and why yeah you're exactly right Captain the body showed no
00:36:31
signs of vehicular trauma like you would expect to see if she had been hit walking across the street or having been
00:36:39
standing in the road for any number of reasons and it was clear that pardon the term that she was dumped there and the
00:36:50
so police are going to come out rather quickly she's fully clothed right no signs of vehicular trauma
00:36:57
and police come out pretty quickly and they say look this is what we're dealing with here between sometime between 12:30
00:37:03
a.m. and 4 a.m. roughly on February 10th we believe the cause of death was homicide by
00:37:13
strangulation so they're saying We Believe between this time frame 12:30 and 4: a.m. someone wrapped their hands
00:37:21
around Ashley's throat and strangled her to death and then placed the body where
00:37:26
it's later located some articles say that they think that she was laid in the middle of the road hoping that she would
00:37:32
get run over by a car and I absolutely agree with that I mean we've covered boys on the tracks boys in the road it
00:37:40
it it the boys on the tracks case that's exactly what the the murderers wanted to
00:37:46
happen that the bodies would be destroyed by the train passing over them and in this case we get really lucky
00:37:56
here as far as investigators go and and the public in general had had a car run or or a large vehicle run over
00:38:06
her that night after she was placed there this thing may have been ruled an accident it it we could have a whole
00:38:16
different set of circumstances here right unfortunately we have a homicide that we have to deal with but at least
00:38:22
in this case we know that it's a homicide we know the cause of death and we also know based off of many people's
00:38:30
accounts the timeline of that night well like I said if you saw a picture of this
00:38:34
area there's nothing to the left or to the right of the roadway makes me wonder if these individuals knew this area took
00:38:42
her to maybe dispose of the body in some other Manner and either got nervous or just decided to change plans and then
00:38:50
say well let's just dump her in the middle of the road the interesting thing here too as far as the investigation
00:38:56
goes is that other than a very short period of time there's not a whole lot of question as to Ashley's whereabouts
00:39:04
because we have a whole bunch of people all who State and agree that at 12 midnight to 12:45 a.m. Ashley was on two
00:39:14
different couches at the sandburn home M which is like we said about 10 miles away from where she is located so with
00:39:23
such a short time frame here I mean it's 12 45 she's on the couch in the living room and then at 3:57 she's found in the
00:39:32
middle of the road body still warm to the touch and I actually believe I I can't speak to the traffic for that
00:39:41
particular night during that particular window of time but I kind of believe captain that she was probably placed
00:39:48
there closer to the time that she was found having as you said the way it was described is that they had to Swerve to
00:39:56
avoid void hitting whatever that was in the road had she been there for a longer
00:40:01
period of time I believe that somebody may not have been able to swerve and avoid not hitting whatever that was in
00:40:08
the road so based off of all of the statements when talking with Mom when talking with her friend locating a
00:40:16
person that drove her out to the sandburn home for investigators it's time to go get some search warrants and
00:40:22
go talk to some teenage boys they're able to secure a search warrant for 50 Mast Hill Road this is the sandburn home
00:40:31
at the home we don't know everything that they found or exactly what they were looking for may not have found but
00:40:38
it has been reported some of the items that they did find that seem to be items of Interest one was a trail of blood
00:40:46
droplets in the kitchen area that was leading to the living room it's also stated that They seized evidence of
00:40:54
sexual activity we don't know exactly what that means They seized these items or item we do know that they also
00:41:03
collected a condom boys and blue the ladies and boys and blue took a carpet and upholstery samples as well and a
00:41:11
purple cord and a bed spread they also collected jewelry a pillow with a stain on
00:41:17
it and this is this is really good thorough work right here they also took tissue hair and fingernail samples and
00:41:25
cloth from a one Daniel sandborn now he's the 16-year-old boy of the house they got a
00:41:33
warrant for Daniel's car as well at the time he was driving an Eagle Summit remember those old Eagle brand cars that
00:41:41
once existed mhm inside or on the ve body of the vehicle they find dry brown grass now what's interesting here to
00:41:51
investigators is they will say that that dry brown grass is very similar if not the same as to dry brown grass that was
00:42:01
found on Ashley's body they also recovered a gold ring a black blouse fingernail
00:42:09
particles a scarf and hair and this is all according to police documents what we would end up with Captain is Sergeant
00:42:19
Matthew Stewart who would tell the Press I'm not going to discuss what the test on any of this evidence
00:42:29
revealed to law enforcement and he also would not describe anyone in the sanburn
00:42:36
home that night as a suspect but what he did say is it quote we are unable to place Ashley alive outside the sandburn
00:42:49
residence that's right by several accounts Ashley was alive and well in the sandburn home house
00:42:56
then found dead outside 10 miles away less than 4 hours later we do know that police question both Dany and Stephen
00:43:06
and we do know that Dany according to police changed his story a few times he first tells police that the following
00:43:13
morning he woke up Ashley wasn't there and he attended school as normal and then police come back and say not so
00:43:22
fast Danny Boy attendance records show that you were not at school that following morning he changes the story
00:43:30
to say that well I woke up late missed school called off work he had a he had a job he called off work and ended up
00:43:37
spending the afternoon with friends at Old Orchard Beach stepen gives police a little bit of insight into his
00:43:45
background with the victim Ashley he does say he says look we had a brief relationship this would have been in
00:43:53
1996 or 1997 he did say that they had intercourse on numerous occasions he told police that he figured
00:44:04
Ashley was in Dan's bedroom with Dan that night as far as he knew so the way that
00:44:14
I understand this to be is that we're we're looking at all the people in the sandburn home
00:44:22
obviously as potential Suspects nobody seems to be pointing the finger at the other it sounds like Dan
00:44:31
may have had a crush on Ashley Ashley still wanted some type of relationship with Steve Steve had moved on he has his
00:44:39
own girlfriend at this time and then we have the other variable of the other guy that's staying and
00:44:46
living at the sandburn home at the time this is really frustrating to me Captain
00:44:52
that we don't have anybody pointing the finger at one another because I think that that that's what police thought was
00:44:57
going to happen early in this case they have some evidence they have some evidence that's leading them back to
00:45:03
this sandburn home you want to figure out who is the last person that could have possibly seen or been with your
00:45:10
victim that is probably your killer that is probably the person that placed her in the road and then what you do have
00:45:17
here is as a detective go back to the statement of the individual that found the body and
00:45:26
and what you are seeing at the body recovery site mhm it's looking to you and it's looking to even the the lay
00:45:35
person the average citizen who spotted her in the road all saying the same thing it looks
00:45:41
like she was laid neatly there in the road that little detail that's a two that's a two-person job she wasn't
00:45:50
dumped there she wasn't dragged there I hope one thing that I've I've found especially in these cases from the mid
00:45:57
to late 90s there seems to be a little bit of a and and I can't speak for certain as to this particular case but
00:46:08
the lack of understanding how powerful shoeprints are evidence Sho print evidence can be in a case as well as
00:46:21
drag Mark or tire mark evidence in a case it seems to be that we we got away from that that was a big deal in in the
00:46:29
70s in a lot of cases that you would see in the 70s and even in the 80s and and I
00:46:34
don't know why it's not even discussed in a lot of these cases from the 90s it seems like something that was just
00:46:39
missing but what so what we don't have here is a clear understanding based off of police information did they see drag
00:46:47
marks at the scene because if you do have drag marks then then one person could have placed her there do you have
00:46:53
any indication on her shoes or clothes that she was dragged to where the body was found do you have any trauma on the
00:47:03
body that would indicate that she was just rolled off the side of a vehicle and dropped where she's
00:47:09
found if you don't have any of that then you have a situation where two people likely two people picked her up I
00:47:16
understand there's some very strong people out there but usually the way that this goes Captain is two people
00:47:21
picked her up placed her where she was found and therefore you either have one or two killers but at the very least you
00:47:29
have two people that know why and where she was placed that night well it's unclear to
00:47:36
me you know when you're looking into this case if you're law enforcement who are all the players that are involved
00:47:43
okay I can eliminate Ashley's family because she was not there I can now start eliminating some of the people
00:47:53
that were still at the Pary party the original party that she was at at her friend's house and I think party is a
00:47:59
loose term I think it was more of a small gathering my parents are gone let's have a a handful of people over
00:48:06
and let's have some boys over it'll be crazy and then your friend Ashley she leaves now she goes to another house now
00:48:14
she's a here's what's even stranger the we don't think something negative happened at the party where
00:48:23
there was no parents we think something possibly happen at the house where two parents were there mother and father are
00:48:31
there saying hey she could stay here and we we offered our couch and she must have got up and left on her own but who
00:48:40
are all the players at sanborn's house we know the mom's there we know the father's there we know the brother
00:48:49
the two brothers are there but who else is there exactly and here's the thing too because you're spot on there Captain
00:48:57
because there's rumor of somebody else maybe one or two other people having potentially been there that night at
00:49:02
some point that night I actually do not see this situation as Mama sandborn covering
00:49:11
for one son or two sons or son and friend or friend of sons I don't see that situation I look at this and I
00:49:19
think that maybe I don't I'm not going to pretend that most people in that house at night
00:49:26
haven't come to some conclusion as to what took place at night I'm not going to say that they're completely in the
00:49:33
dark but what I feel like happened here is where she's located to me shows uh impulsiveness and Desperation on the on
00:49:44
the behalf of the whoever placed her there yeah see that was my question for you it's because if she gets hit by a
00:49:51
car or hit by multiple vehicles that could cover up and make it harder to figure out what
00:50:01
happened to her so to me that shows some level of sophistication but in the middle of the road again like I said
00:50:10
there's nothing to the left there's nothing to the right you have a lot of wooded area in Maine there's a lot of
00:50:16
places to bury bodies to hide bodies so I don't know if this shows a level of sophistic
00:50:26
or does it show like you said a level of panic and I yeah I I think our information is different because you
00:50:34
have a different name of who drove her to the sanborn's house than I have I'm I'm so glad that you said that because
00:50:42
there are different reports out there now the the one that I cited was from that press heral report that gave a nice
00:50:49
timeline of that evening pretty detailed which I was surprised that it supplied actual names
00:50:56
especially considering one of them to be underage the girlfriend that she was going to air quote stay the night at her
00:51:03
house I value the information in that timeline but you're exactly right there are other reports out there that says a
00:51:09
completely other individual not this Edwin Hernandez was responsible for giving a ride
00:51:17
to her that night and and we did talk about the movements right there's it seems like there is little extra
00:51:24
movement going on on before she gains access to the sandburn home so maybe the truth is that more than one person gave
00:51:32
her a ride or was involved or in the vehicle at least in giving her the yeah because the name I have is Jay
00:51:40
Carney and so you have Jay Jay Carney if he gives Ashley a ride is is Jay still at the sanborn's house it's it's not
00:51:51
clear to me I'm not saying that the sanborn's the parents are are covering for their kids or anything like that I
00:51:59
don't think they know what happened but it's like I also don't think they're uh maybe they didn't know what else was
00:52:07
happening that night inside their house I'm with you on that Captain and that's why I think that we are seeing a level
00:52:14
of panic when trying to conceal this body or conceal the crimes that were committed right let's Place her in the
00:52:22
middle of the road maybe she gets hit maybe she gets run over by a and it looks like something
00:52:27
else and I think the reason why you have to get her out of the house is that well
00:52:34
Mom and Dad are going to wake up and they're going to go hey where was that girl from last night that had to run
00:52:39
away from home oh so you have a limited if you if they are unaware if if other people inside that home that night are
00:52:48
unaware of what took place and they're not going to be covering for you now you have a limited amount of time that you
00:52:56
have this big problem that you have to get out of the house or conceal in a way that nobody's
00:53:02
going to find her in the house and then move her later but we know she wasn't moved later because she was found at
00:53:08
3:57 a.m. so you have this problem of I got to get her out of here and I have a limited amount of time before I have to
00:53:17
get back to the house to make it look like I slept through the night and I'm clueless as to what
00:53:22
happened and so that's why I think that we see the Panic here the other thing that's really dumb for the persons and
00:53:28
this is why I think that we're seeing whoever whoever chose to dispose of her in this manner is doing it out of
00:53:37
desperation but it's impulsiveness too which typically will lean toward a younger
00:53:44
criminal and those Tendencies always lean toward a younger criminal is that once that heart stops beating that
00:53:53
body is going to behave a lot lot differently if she's struck by a car than when the heart is still beating now
00:54:00
you can hope for a bad investigation or incompetency and then maybe it's ruled a
00:54:05
vehicular accident you you could get lucky but that's not unheard of but again that
00:54:13
body will behave differently I part of me wonders if their thought was well we we will Striker with the car and then at
00:54:20
the last second they grew a little bit of a brain and figured out well now our car going to show damage or show some
00:54:27
sign that we hit somebody and that's going to lead directly back to us let's place are here and maybe we get lucky in
00:54:33
somebody else is the one that that is driving the vehicle yeah and even though it's very
00:54:40
early morning hours there's a possibility that they got disrupted by somebody else they saw in the distance
00:54:47
some car headlights and and got spooked and decided to abandon whatever plan that they came up with again I I go back
00:54:55
back to if you know it's very important to figure out who drove her to the sandborn house but also who stayed there
00:55:04
because obviously if this Jay Carney gave her a ride there and he stayed there well he'd have a vehicle but the
00:55:12
evidence kind of points to like you said the sandborn son's vehicle has more evidence that her body
00:55:20
was probably moved with that vehicle and over the years captain this has been a very difficult case and I
00:55:28
think in large part it's difficult for the olette family because they strongly believe that they know who is
00:55:37
responsible or has who holds guilt in this case and we see a lot of evidence of that we we should mention that
00:55:46
there's been a lot of effort in this case as many as 30 detectives over the years have worked the case there are
00:55:53
currently two full-time detectives a forensic chemist and a family Advocate and of course the
00:56:02
Attorney General prosecutor who continued to keep this case in the media as well as Ashley's
00:56:10
mother and they still want to solve this thing unfortunately we're coming up close to 25 years since this murder we
00:56:19
do know that unfortunately Ashley's father would pass away not terribly long after this this
00:56:28
would have been in May of 2001 he had a heart attack in his sleep he was just 49
00:56:32
years old his daughter's death and murder I believe 100% contributed to his health
00:56:42
problem you know this heart attack the sudden heart attack that took place in in May of
00:56:48
2001 what we're going to see here is the events some terrible events that took place place in a short window of time
00:56:56
one night one dark night in in Maine that will affect so many lives and tear up so many lives over the years we
00:57:07
do know that her mother Ashley's mother firmly believes that Daniel is guilty she is being patient because she
00:57:15
understands that there is a big gap between probable cause and Beyond a reasonable
00:57:21
doubt it seems like there needs to be some more evidence here before charges will be solid and be brought in this
00:57:32
case but we do know that the olette family took the sandborn family to court they filed a wrongful death suit against
00:57:41
the sandborn they claimed that they had a reasonable responsibility to protect Ashley from injury while she was in
00:57:49
their home they feel that Daniel injured Ashley in a way that ultimately caused her death
00:57:55
now sanborn's claim is that because Ashley said that she was kicked out of her home and needed a place to stay that
00:58:04
that they they were just trying to offer her help and they're not responsible for
00:58:09
Ashley and what may have happened and again they're standing by well we went to bed everything was fine we wake up
00:58:17
and she was gone you fast forward all these years later and what we learn is that Daniel Sanborn
00:58:25
the brother stepen they've both had a lot of problems with with the law over the years and one situation one of the
00:58:34
brother situations has been some violent activity and the other brother situation
00:58:39
has been drugs theft and weapons charges so these guys have turned out to be pretty bad guys and a lot of it has to
00:58:47
do with drugs and drug trafficking a lot of times drug trafficking is just to pay
00:58:52
for one's own drug habit and ways to get the drugs themselves and I just wonder if these two are riddled with the
00:59:03
truth and that they they've been medicating themselves over the years to deal with with the truth of something
00:59:10
that they know that they were involved in taking the life of a of a young girl well I think we should talk about Tony
00:59:17
Torres yes Angel Tony Torres and he enters the story in a in a strange twist but this would just be a
00:59:27
couple of months after Ashley's murder and we're going to see a common denominator here you already mentioned
00:59:35
Jason Carney better known as Jay Carney he's going to be a a weird common denominator here in between these two
00:59:42
stories and between these two victims because as the captain stated some of the reports say that it was Jay Carney
00:59:50
that gave the ride to Ashley that night or may have been at the sandburn home that night that Ashley was killed the
00:59:59
way that angel Tony Torres Works into this case his parents they meet their they're natives from Puerto Rico they
01:00:07
meet and fall in love in New York City they have two young children they decide you know what let's take our kids out of
01:00:13
the city let's move out to Maine so they move out to Maine where they're able to
01:00:19
get a home that's three times the size of their New York apartment plus it's got a yard right you got kids they want
01:00:24
to have a yard for your family so now they have a yard this is in 1985 when they move out this is about a five and a
01:00:30
half hour drive out to Denmark Maine to start their new life with their family a
01:00:36
few years after the move they have another son Angel would choose to go by the name of Tony I think he thought it
01:00:43
was more maybe a little more masculine name uh he was a very popular kid growing up he was described by friends
01:00:50
as social smart with a very upbeat personality he was active at school he was great at basketball and soccer and
01:00:59
he loved music and he loved partying with his friends Denmark Maine population of about 1100 people this is
01:01:08
about an hour drive Northwest on country roads from the nearest major city which is Portland
01:01:15
Main now remember we talked about the proximity of Ashley Ashley's family's home and regard to Portland Main so the
01:01:26
two live about what about an hour and a half away from one another so let's fast
01:01:32
forward to March of 1999 this is Tony's junior year he's attending Framingham this is also just a short
01:01:41
time after Ashley was killed and still it's still an unsolved murder and the still unsolved murder of Ashley was the
01:01:49
Talk of the Town in s main Tony's home for spring break in 1999 he's visiting staying with his parents now on one of
01:01:56
these days he's watching the evening news and they're running a story about the Ashley olette murder Tony and his
01:02:04
dad are watching this is when Tony perks up and he says to his dad I know who killed her he's saying that he knew
01:02:13
Ashley a little bit he knew her from some parties that he says they both had attended Tony's dad says something to
01:02:21
the effect of his son like look you you either need to take this information to the police or you need to zip it keep
01:02:26
your mouth shut you better be very careful about who you share this information with right which you know
01:02:34
Tony's father would agree that that's awful advice he should have right then and there said if you have information
01:02:41
in this murder investigation we need to go to police right now because not because you're also in danger yourself
01:02:49
you're exactly right Captain this is another spot in our story here where we see a situ a where I know somebody says
01:02:56
to themselves today I wish I could have handled that just a little bit differently yeah and he's he also claims
01:03:03
that his son said this in a way that there was no doubt that it wasn't like his son said this and he looked at his
01:03:10
son and didn't believe him or thought his son was bullshitting he believed every word why he didn't dig deeper and
01:03:18
asked for information why he didn't make him go to the police don't know but later on what going to happen is he goes
01:03:26
out to a party well well he's partying at his ex-girlfriend's house and they uh end up leaving to go to a corner
01:03:36
store and he leaves with Jay Carney so then Jay Carney comes back to the party people go well where's Tony at and he
01:03:46
says well he got picked up by a a pickup truck at the corner store yeah I don't know I don't know where he's going Jason
01:03:54
J carne this is on Wednesday the 19th this is May of 1999 so now we are what three months
01:04:03
after the murder of Ashley and we know that we know from several people's accounts that Tony stay at Jay Carney's
01:04:13
house on that Wednesday the 19th and Thursday the 20th so they spent a couple of days together now it was on May
01:04:21
21st where they are at this house party together and as the captain said it's it's a a place where his ex Tony's
01:04:31
ex-girlfriend was staying it's around 2 a.m. that they leave what did they say captain they were going out to pick up
01:04:37
cigarettes or maybe beer and cigarettes or something yeah it's just going to a corner store and so Jay returns to the
01:04:45
house party without Tony there's a couple people there that say look when Jay returns he's a mess he's nervous
01:04:51
he's acting weird he's frantic his pants answer rolled up and dripping with mud yeah and unfortunately it's not
01:04:59
until 3 days later that Tony is reported missing he's reported missing his parents file a missing person's Report
01:05:07
with the police this is after Tony's girlfriend calls them and says Hey where's Tony I'm looking for him his
01:05:15
work called and said he didn't show up for work and that's not like him at all right so now we have a missing person's
01:05:22
report and then we have a bunch of people saying that this Jay Carney is the last person to have been with him
01:05:29
and then when when other people see Jay what 30 minutes or a short period of time after the two leave and Jay returns
01:05:39
without Tony that this guy's a mess he's he's emotionally physically a mess and and his clothing is a mess as well but
01:05:48
the story also just doesn't make any sense we went to the corner store together if I went to the corner store
01:05:54
with my buddy and he got picked up and and I come back alone there's more to the story there
01:06:01
yeah well who did he get picked up by it okay if I know that information maybe the story starts making some sense but
01:06:07
he's going well I don't know he just got he got picked up by this pickup truck this red pickup truck and uh and that's
01:06:15
it that's all I know he would claim that the two whatever reason they told the people of the party that they were
01:06:22
leaving that they they were actually going out to meet some people that they had did a a pretty smalltime drug deal
01:06:28
with earlier that day and I don't know if he's insinuating that the the the driver the or the passengers of this red
01:06:37
pickup truck that he says Tony left in if if they were one and the same the people that they had sold some marijuana
01:06:45
to or whatever it was earlier that day I don't know if if I I having a hard time
01:06:50
here with this part of the story but that's what he would ultimately tell police for my understanding and we've
01:06:58
seen this time and time again I this is this is what really makes my ears perk up when somebody tells one story and
01:07:06
then the next day they tell you a little bit of a different story to law enforcement and now they're admitting to
01:07:11
some pretty smalltime crimes right you know how the guilty parties are it's like H I'll just give them a little bit
01:07:17
and they'll see that I'm being truthful this time because I'm admitting to something that I did that's breaking the
01:07:22
law and they they they won't push me any further and Jay Carney is the common denominator he's somebody that is also
01:07:32
listed in some of those reports regarding Ashley's case and also listed as being the last person agreed upon
01:07:40
with Angel Tony Torres the night that he goes missing and this is not a situation
01:07:47
where anybody sitting here going well maybe Tony just took off on his own and started a new Wonderful Life somewhere
01:07:53
no this is a situation where law enforcement are saying we have every reason to believe that Tony was met with
01:07:59
Foul Play his family saying we're not expecting to find him live and well we're just hoping to get some
01:08:05
information so we can return him and bring him home for a proper burial well and here's what's crazy though you got
01:08:10
the the brother Sanborns they become a mess of individuals themselves yes with law and
01:08:20
with drugs and like you said maybe self-medicating cuz they what happened to Ashley that
01:08:25
night they're friends with Jay Carney he's friends with Tony Torres Tony Torres probably knew the Sanborn
01:08:32
Brothers as well and then Tony just happens to tell his father hey I I know what happened to
01:08:39
that Ashley girl and then he's hanging out with Jay Carney goes missing Jay Carney story doesn't make
01:08:49
any sense no the sandborn brothers and and Jay Carney's story don't make any sense when
01:08:56
it goes when it comes to Ashley and look love to question Jay Carney more about this but he dies of a drug overdose yeah
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you're going to have to get a shovel to go talk to Jay Carney because and and again was that
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self-medication yep he was all the way out in Rhode Island in 2015 and he passes away dies
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of a drug overdose at the age of 36 so whatever information he has he's taken that with him and he will remain silent
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forever now of course we don't have to dance around this anym the obvious thing here is that the the major Theory the
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the prevailing Theory here is that Jay killed Tony because he knew what happened to Ashley and what what I find
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interesting about this here Captain is that if Jay was involved in Ashley's case and
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and you would have to think that he was directly involved to the point that that
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he had Direct involvement that of a threat of going to prison himself not for a little bit of time for a very long
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time to take the life of another person it seems so simple with the first one he didn't know what he was
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doing how do I how do I cover this how do I hide this I don't know what I'm doing I've never done this before and we
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place her in the road and somebody runs her over and that we wipe our hands of it problem gone I can breathe a little
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easier now well that didn't happen she was found they figure out very easily how she was killed they figure out very
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easily where she was that night and people to talk to and start collecting evidence did old Jay learn from that and
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that's why why with the next one we don't find the body because he learned of all the
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problems that created for him or his friends or other people involved the first Go Round And I want to bring up
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something that you brought up in Ashley's case is it two individuals involved and this is why it would make
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more sense because if there's two individuals involved and then Tony Torres is maybe
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he maybe he's telling J hey I know what happened or I told my dad that I knew what happened for some reason we have to
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get R of Tony he is he has gone a short period of time so that's a very short period of time that Jay has
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to kill Tony and then get rid of the body but it's a lot easier to do if you have two people involved and Tony was a
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a strong kid an athletic kid so it's more likely that whoever's involved with Ashley's case if there's more than one
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and most likely more than one then there's more than one involved in Tony's disappearance as well yeah and this is a
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situation where you got to believe if Tony knew what happened and it's interesting to kind of ponder the the
01:12:19
varying degrees of knowledge that he could have had of what happened right it is it something he heard from somebody
01:12:26
else who did he hear it from what did they tell him so on and so forth but you know how we we've heard this in so many
01:12:35
cases where somebody is using substance abuse and they have to confess their crime to somebody well and it's one of
01:12:44
those situations where I believe that if Tony had knowledge of what happened to Ashley that there are other people in
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those Social Circles that probably know or may have even heard the same information that Tony heard and as the
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captain pointed out and as I followed up with there is information out there that
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Jay Carney gave Ashley a ride to the sandborn home that night that she was murdered or that he was there at the
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sanborn's home house that night some articles say that it was Edwin Hernandez who dropped her off it's difficult to
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say at this point in time but what we do know is that both Ashley's murder and Tony's disappearance are open and Active
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cases with the main State Police it will be 25 years now since Ashley was killed
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and placed in that road and her family is still searching for answers and I hope and pray that Ashley's family gets
01:13:43
those answers that they deserve I hope and pray that Tony's Family get the answers that they
01:13:49
deserve and find out his whereabouts if you have any information about Ashley's murder please contact the main
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