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that's enough of the beers yes all right everybody gather round grab a chair grab
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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] early on into the murder investigation
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of Charlotte fimiano the authorities were looking into another unsolved homicide now oddly enough Captain this
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one took place three years prior and hundreds of miles away this is the still unsolved murder of Sherry L Lewis a
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realtor from Decatur Illinois who was murdered on August 5th 1994. in a brief overview of that case is as follows on
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August 5th 1994 30 year old Sherry L Lewis of Decatur Illinois she's a realtor she was found deceased in a
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Macon County residence that was for sale which she had an appointment to show this home
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Sherry's case has been re-examined and thoroughly investigated by Macon County Sheriff's Office under former Macon
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County Sheriff Buffett assisted by special homicide investigator John Skaggs scallywag this is from the
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justice for Sherry Lewis Facebook page they say their full investigative report containing overwhelming evidence solving
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her brutal murder has been in the hands of Macon County State's Attorney's Office since May of 2018
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former Macon County State's attorney Jay Scott failed to bring Justice for Sherry
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Lewis this is they're trying to Rally here and try to get support to finally take this thing to trial if the evidence
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warrants that so I'm bringing this up because it is all a part of the Charlotte femiano case this is something
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that they reference and that police looked into now I don't know who reached out to who right I don't know if Decatur
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Illinois reached out to the State Police in Pennsylvania or if the State Police in Pennsylvania reached
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out to Macon County in Illinois but we do know that they were talking and they were
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examining the details of both cases what we would later be told after a few months they're not saying that they are
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ruling out the possibility that the two could be connected what they do say is we didn't find any direct connections
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from one to the other I think in this episode captain and I'm reluctant to say this because I I'm
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hesitant because I hate to go down these roads say it I might say it I think you're going to hear me say two things
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in this episode that you've never heard me say in almost 700 episodes of True Crime garage that he appreciate my work
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and my effort I say that all the time you just you just hit the stop button uh and and erase it in the editing process
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and the people think I hate you so but hear what's weird to me Captain I never think that these cases I I think maybe
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in the alphabet murders case that we talked about that that might be the only other time that I was like yeah these
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two cases that are hundreds of miles away and years apart might be connected I almost never say that because I never
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believe it and guess what it's because the numbers don't pan out it's almost never true yeah statistically it's it's
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very low but this this case is strange because you're pointing something you know off mic before is if you Google
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search images of either one of these victims they look very similar it's that's exactly right and here here's the
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weird thing like the only reason why this rattled me a little bit I I don't think that they're connected I
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want to say that but there's one stunning fact that that is of course my opinion
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but I can't get over it when I was is it a fact or a opinion it's a opinionated fact David the the
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thing is though when I was first reviewing Charlotte femiano's case I saw a picture of Sherry L Lewis but it
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wasn't labeled and I just made the assumption that it was a picture of her from maybe 10 or 12 years earlier prior
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to the her murder and then when I looked up sharielle Lewis just Google image like you said
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the first picture that came up I thought well they got it wrong that's just an old picture of Charlotte femiano
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and sure enough I'd click on a couple websites and very quickly realize no that is a picture of Sherry Lewis to me
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they look very similar yeah Charlotte looks like she could be Sherry's mother so Sherry's 30 years old when she's
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killed and Charlotte's 40 when she's killed and again I I mean not exactly spot on but at first glance it was
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enough for me to think that the Sherry Lewis picture was a picture of Charlotte when she was 28
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or 30 years old for me it's got me a little rattled because I can't get over the fact
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that they were both working in the same line of work the same title job title they look very similar and that they
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were both showing a home that they had an appointment now Sherry was beaten and strangled and then we know in
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Charlotte's case it was a gun in ligature strangulation I don't know enough details of the
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Sherry Lewis case to 100 say that I think that they're connected my gut tells me that they're not
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but we do know that police looked at it we do know that they did say they couldn't find any direct connection
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between the two now if you go to that Justice for Sherry Lewis Facebook page you're also going to find at least one
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or two other realtors that were killed there's one from 1984. oddly enough September 11
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1984 which would be exactly 13 years before Charlotte fimiano was killed so just some very weird strange things
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with this case and I've got to tell you captain on the surface this case to me was very intriguing
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but there's this case is very fascinating and I hate to say that because there are
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people that are are related and loved Charlotte and we're great friends with her
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and I hate that they would hear or have to hear some schmuck in a garage yeah pencil dick it's a beer and a half deep
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say this case is fascinating you know it but but I feel okay to say it here in this case because oddly enough I was
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reviewing material and found a detective that was working on this case and he said those exact words all right so two
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wrongs make a right that's really stuck with me in this case because I told you I told you when I arrived at the garage
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today I will be happy to be done with these episodes because this case is is really messed with me over the past
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three to four days there's something very funny about this case that I can't quite put my finger on and I I feel like
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it's just one piece of the puzzle that's that's just missing that's that would put this whole thing together there's
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something very strange about this Charlotte femiano case that's that's really got me shook
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can I say a thought that I had without you uh putting me in the old pervert Roundup crew
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sure but the one one of the things that kind of stuck out to me and this is because we
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don't know if she was targeted or if it was just this location was targeted and I would just or I hate to interrupt
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yeah you hate that but keep in mind we don't know if either were targeted right but continue I'm sorry but we do know
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because of the call into the real estate company we we don't know if there was multiple calls that day from that number
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I would think that's something that law enforcement would want to look up because what if this killer calls in a
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male answers the phone and then they talk for a little bit but make no appointment and
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then call back and what if there was evidence that they kept calling back until they got a
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female Victim Because what do we know about crimes and killers there a lot of the crimes are sexually
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motivated and so that would seem a little strange as far as like this whole realtor scenario
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and this is where I don't want people going wow that Captain he's one pervert but uh
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I'm gonna shift this a little bit pornography there's a real estate agent category
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and pornography so I just don't think it's that far of a stretch for again a sexually motivated crime for
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somebody to be watching this category and then developing a sicker fantasy does that does that
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make any sense yeah I mean obviously here's the thing I I shouldn't say Obviously it makes total sense to me
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because what we've seen time and time again especially with serial offenders is that sex and violence is all wrapped
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up into one ugly package for them right and a lot of them will use pornographic materials to
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kind of keep those urges at Bay and so yes it to me it makes complete and total sense I am
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very glad that you started to go down this road what I wanted to point out here is you love looking at porn the facts
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okay we're going to get into a lot of opinion stuff a lot of theories a lot of speculation here and there's a lot of it
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in this case and I think that is in part why the detective even States this is such a fascinating case
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but when you break it down in its simplest of forms what do we know what do we know about the Killer
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we know only two things in my opinion a they were looking for a victim they called and made an appointment and
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were looking for a victim now you can throw in some variables there where they targeting Charlotte when they
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called right or were they just hoping for as you said a female realtor victim then you go okay location
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the location seems to be important well it might not this location itself could have been targeted or not targeted we
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don't know because we don't know the details of that conversation between Charlotte and the person that she had on
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the phone well let's just be clear on something and maybe you can clear this up for me and the listening the
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beautiful listeners like I like to say a fictitious name was given correct I'm assuming that we know whether that was a
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male name that was given our female name my guess is that it has to be a male name from my understanding the name's
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never been released but what we do know is that Charlotte did tell at least one other person that she
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worked with that she had this appointment with it and it was a male caller so for him to give a female name
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would seem to be a little bit of uh uh that would be a good indicator of maybe I shouldn't go on this appointment or
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take this call seriously but back to what do we know we do know that regardless if she was targeted or not we
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know that the killer was looking for a victim with that phone call number one and number two is
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it's a premeditated murder a gun was used in this homicide and it is not recovered at the scene so
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it didn't come from the vacant home he likely didn't pull it off of Charlotte in some kind of scuffle the this killer
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was looking for a victim and arrived on the scene prepared and ready to kill right but I also just want to be clear
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so just because we have a male caller doesn't necessarily mean that we have a male killer correct correct and and
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that's why I that's why I wanted to go down that road in the last episode to point out very clearly that
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while it stands to reason that the most likely perpetrator of this homicide is that caller who arranged that meeting
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it's not out of the realm of complete possibility that that the person that called is not the person that killed
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right somebody could have set up this Arrangement and then she arrives and she's either ambushed or there's a sneak
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attack by somebody should she did not anticipate of seeing there at that home and that person then killed her
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and I think that's why in part this case is so fascinating because there's so much of the speculation that can lead
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you to very certain theories but there's but everything's very open-ended with this case it leaves the possibilities
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very open in this case now I want to get into Circle back to the phone calls because ring ring ring many
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sources tell us one thing and only one source that I could find tells us a further detail on that item right so
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we talked about this Arrangement was made the day prior the day before the murder
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we would later learn police would eventually come off in in the corner or eventually come off and narrow down that
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window of time and question for us the time of death which is so important and key to any investigation because that
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goes to means and opportunity right and we said during the trailer that means an
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opportunity are the are the very best tools deciding factors to separate a good suspect from anybody
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else who actually was unaccounted for for during the time of death right now they narrowed down the time of death and
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later released it to be first they were saying 1 to 4 P.M and that I think the police may have
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been forced to kind of show their hand on this one because what happened Captain was two weeks after the murder
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she's murdered on a Thursday on a Thursday Two Weeks Later police set up a bunch of roadblocks
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in that neighborhood and surrounding that neighborhood and they were stopping all passer buyers and asking them if
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they regularly travel in this area if if they happen to be there two weeks prior
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between the hours of 1 and 4 pm and so these people were later interviewed by news stations and they're
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like yeah you know what the what were the police asking you well here you know they're asking me this that and the
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other thing but they wanted to know if I was here two Thursdays ago between one and four
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pm so that kind of shows you right away that they've already honed in on that that time period that three hour window
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one to four pm the police and then later the police come out and say the time of death the suspected time
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of death is between 1 and 3 P.M so they got a two-hour window that killer had to get into that area
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and out of that area and she was killed sometime between one and three now another thing that we would later
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learn several sources come out months later that say Charlotte went out to that appointment
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and then returned to the office and told several people that she worked with that
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she got stood up that the male caller that made the appointment never arrived and she got tired of waiting around and
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came back to the office all right what happens then is once she's back at the office
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phone rings wing wing she takes the call hello it's the person she had the appointment with saying oh I got I got
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tied up I couldn't make it to the appointment I was running late could could we still go and see the house well
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again though this is also kind of a remote area is it possible that the killer win to find the house and just
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couldn't find the house well again we don't know the details of that and and there are several people in their
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reports that have said over the years well she was a real go-getter she wouldn't turn down the opportunity to
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show a house and sell the house yeah that's true I get that but let's take it a step further she's been doing this for
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like 15 16 years I'm sure it's not the first time that somebody has called and said I got tied up in a meeting I I got
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caught in traffic I uh my kids suck and I couldn't leave the house um you know so she's probably had
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several times that somebody didn't show or was running late and so this probably didn't didn't set
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her off didn't raise any flags for Charlotte and she tells a couple people this at the office and then she goes out
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and meets she goes to that that appointment back at the house on Chelsea Lane and we do know that she's killed there
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here's here's some of the details that that really set me off in this case captain and I kept harping on this
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yesterday the devil's in the details the problem with these details is said time and time again she went for a
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one o'clock appointment and then she was killed and we do know the time and question that suspect the time of death
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is between 1 and 3 pm what was the original Arrangement if if he calls and says I couldn't make it and
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could we could we still go see the house and the people at the office are saying
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well she left at one o'clock and she had a one o'clock appointment what was the original Arrangement was it
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for 11 A.M or noon and he didn't make it or was the appointment always for one and she actually came back and then left
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after one o'clock which doesn't seem to stand a reason because if people saw her
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alive at one o'clock or 1 15 or 1 30 then you're suspected time of death wouldn't be between one and three
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exactly and the reason why I'm focusing in on this so much and why this pisses me off that we do not know this detail
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and you know what there are people out there that know this detail clarification please because
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her husband who would be ruled out as far as police say because it's about three or four months into the
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investigation there's a newspaper headline comes out that the police have eliminated have ruled out husband in
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Realtors death they rule him out why did they rule him out he has an alibi hmm did some digging Christian's work
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schedule he worked 10 hour days he had a 20 to 30 minute commute to his job his his schedule was 1 pm to 11 pm
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makes a lot of sense and we know that there are other things backing up that information because what he gets home
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after 11 pm he gets home a little after 11 30 talks to his his daughter calls in
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that his wife is missing the reason why that time period is so important to me and what the original
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appointment was for what time it was for was because even though police say that
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they have moved on from the family that they have ruled out the husband they tell us they're ruling out the husband
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because they can confirm 100 that he was at work between 1pm and 11 p.m on that Thursday and had
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a 20 to 30 minute commute both ways if someone and I've I never say this on True Crime garage if someone were to set
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up a hit and it were to be a husband to take out his wife what time am I scheduling it for when I'm at work when
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I'm accounted for when I'm going to have dozens of people tell you nope I didn't
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kill my wife because they all saw me hanging out there they all saw me working there
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the reason why I think that this detail is so important is because if it was a in fact a hit that was arranged by the
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husband it would it would fall in line with some of the details we do know about the case
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Charlotte wouldn't may not recognize the voice of the person he hired especially if she
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doesn't know who the person is that he he hired but two if the caller on Wednesday originally
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scheduled the appointment for one it it drives me mad to to sit there and think that it's happenstance that this
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appointment is scheduled for a Time that this dude's also scheduled to be at work I'm not saying that the two camp
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both have happened I'm saying it it leads me to believe and I've never said on the show before that
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I think that there's a hit I think that this case is a hit I think that what I think the most too plausible things to
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me are either a a complete freaking stranger killed this woman right and I think if that's the case they may never
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solve this case most likely not they have been so tight-lipped about some things I think
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that that police think they have an idea of what actually happened here and so let's take this a few steps
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further well there's I'm not saying that it is concrete evidence but sometimes that's why law enforcement is
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very tight-lipped about things is because there's certain pieces of of evidence that they
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they know can't get out because it would basically crumble their whole case against a certain individual
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to let's say they they wanted to follow the husband to see if he could lead them to
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the killer or if they wanted to tap his phone or uh surveil this guy what better way to get him to act to
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lead you to the killer than to publicly say well we rolled him out we ruled him out because we confirmed 100 that he was
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at work that day during the time in question yeah because just because they roll you out
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to a public you know newspaper or whatever or even tell him to his face we ruled
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you out the police are allowed to lie during an investigation well not only that they're
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ruling him out as the killer they're not ruling him out as being involved in the
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homicide exactly ruling him out as the actual killer but also law enforcement is not the only tight lip
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organization quote unquote in in this case sometimes you have a case where look at Delphi
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very tight-lipped law enforcement very vocal family trying to get the word out uh trying to
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get information coming in this one tight-lipped law enforcement and seems like the family was pretty
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tight-lipped as well yeah and and we need to be completely Fair here because they could the family meaning her
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daughter and her husband they could have been tight-lipped and shy away from the cameras or the
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newspapers just out of pure Devastation their world is completely turned upside down they're completely heartbroken and
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that's why they didn't do so much talking to the media one thing that does make me doubt this
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husband being involved a little bit is the the fact that we do know and I had to do
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a good amount of digging to figure this out that the husband was the one that actually called 9-1-1 the following
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morning and it led to her body being found now it also wouldn't be the first time that somebody would lead police to
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a body of somebody that they've killed well because it'd be pretty suspicious your wife doesn't come home
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yeah in the morning you're like well I I guess she just didn't come home last night yes I don't have to make as much
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coffee in the morning yeah let's get back to the other possibility that I don't think we can rule out either is
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the complete stranger possibility stranger danger somebody cold calls this realtor office looking for a victim and
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needs a secluded vacant ready to move into home to carry out their the dirty deed of of homicide done dirt cheap
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one thing that that for me pointed away from a complete stranger is won the motive
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yes it could be a Thrill Kill but many of these thrill kills are sexually motivated there's a sexual component to
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them now one detail that has been released is that Charlotte was not only found fully clothed but still wearing
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her coat her jacket so that may suggest to many that they're was no sexual component to
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the case but I'm I'm gonna throw a wrench into everything that that most people believe about homicides when they
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try to look at a crime scene and please allow me Captain to talk out of both sides of my face at the same time
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normally do but this comes from a very well respected detective and somebody that we've talked about on the show
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before Joe Kennedy he says be careful and do not assume there is a close personal relationship between the
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suspect and victim based on evidence of Overkill example excessive stab wounds extensive blood force trauma
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Etc at the crime scene if ligatures and restraining devices are present there was likely a sexual
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component to the murder this should be considered before exploring other motives unless it is obvious another
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crime gone bad robbery burglary home invasion or the victim was restrained so the primary crime could be completed
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okay so that's that's interesting to to observe here because there is somewhat of Overkill involved in this case we
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mentioned ligature strangulation we mentioned The Gunshot she was actually shot twice once in the back of the head
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and once in the face just below the left eye what Kennedy is pointing out here is
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that just that act of strangulation ligature strangulation may even though our victims found completely clothed
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could still have a sexual component to it so with that with that possible sexual
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component I don't think that we can completely rule out the idea of a complete stranger a complete pervert
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cheers Captain it's getting hot here in the garage Colonel's getting hot tub Colonel's
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getting angry and worked up here now no this is a it's these are difficult because again
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a setup job for who for um a hired killer or just let's have a mail call but who's waiting there for her her
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husband yeah I I would say he couldn't he couldn't have been there we we know that to be fact
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right we know 100 he was at work at the time that she was murdered right right but I was just trying to point out like
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I have a male caller and then a female real estate agent that has some kind of beef with her
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I would think because this is such a possibility that there would be some rumors of
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possible infidelity in in her relationship and Charlotte's relationship with her husband so I did
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catch some wind of those rumors um I but none of that comes from any of the newspapers or any of what I would
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consider to be trusted sources none of it ever comes from police from my understanding that those rumors
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might have been office talk office gossip um there there are people that expand on
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that a little bit that say that he suspected her of having an affair and she was adamant that she was not having
00:34:15
an affair there are other people that say that the office gossip was that she might have been romantically seeing a
00:34:22
client or maybe another agent I mean if you were to have an affair this would be
00:34:27
uh a line of work that would would complement hiding that from your spouse right we've all seen American Beauty
00:34:36
yeah you'd be doing it in every house all over the city okay maybe you would be pervert Roundup but
00:34:44
here in in who knows maybe there is some truth to those rumors but maybe there's
00:34:49
not again I don't I wouldn't say that any of those rumors are coming from trusted sources a quick way to push
00:34:55
somebody into having an affair is constantly accused them of having an affair when they're not having an affair
00:35:02
well there's some weird again there's a lot of weird stuff about this case and I
00:35:07
haven't got to the weirdest of it all but the one weird thing too is the the couple the femianos had just moved into
00:35:17
what was kind of like a life goal for them they had moved into a new home six weeks or eight weeks before she's
00:35:25
killed they bought a piece of land and had a whole a custom home built on that piece
00:35:31
of land and they had her daughter his stepdaughter again I want to be very clear about this
00:35:38
there's no indication that this guy was a bad husband or a bad stepfather and I know that I said well maybe he
00:35:44
ordered a hit on his wife yeah I get it but everything that I've seen what is it
00:35:49
well but listen for a second I want that's what I'm going out of my way to point this out because
00:35:55
I'm saying that there are details of the case that lead you to that theory time and time again there's nothing in his
00:36:01
personality that leads you to that theory his personality from my understanding Captain this man passed
00:36:07
away in 2014 and maintained a very close relationship with his stepdaughter up until the day he died
00:36:17
and not only close relationship keep in mind she and her I believe it was even her fiancee was living with the femianos
00:36:26
at the time of Charlotte's death right and I believe that his stepdaughter and fiance then turned husband lived with
00:36:34
him for several years after Charlotte was murdered and look this guy was a successful guy so he he's no dummy and
00:36:43
but and I say that because when your wife is murdered of course law enforcement is going to look at you you
00:36:54
should expect that I think it's the ones that fight that and it doesn't seem like this
00:37:01
individual thought that at all it seems like in every turn that the family was cooperative with law enforcement
00:37:09
when law enforcement is tight-lipped you're going to get more rumors and more speculation that just happens in these
00:37:16
cases every police said along the way is that the family was extremely Cooperative with their
00:37:26
investigation and I believe he's the only individual the husband is the only individual that they cleared publicly
00:37:33
correct now here's here's the weirdest and strangest of the details and the this is what circles back to what I was
00:37:41
talking about earlier the fact that we have several people come forward very trusted sources saying
00:37:49
that Charlotte returned to the office then received another phone call and then went back to the property
00:37:56
now to be clear if she was running around on her husband she may not have been at that property
00:38:04
in the first place and these calls could be there could be a more mysterious element to them maybe she's lying about
00:38:11
her whereabouts maybe she's lying about who she talked to her comings and goings
00:38:16
right that would stand to reason if she is having a secret affair but let's push that completely aside and
00:38:23
go down this road there is a source out there that says and I'm throwing out a buyer beware here
00:38:30
on this on this information but I also don't have any even though I've not been able to confirm it double triple check
00:38:37
it I don't really have any reason to doubt the information either or the source the information is that now we have two
00:38:46
phone calls that police are going to be concerned about the one setting up the appointment
00:38:52
for the next day which would be the day of the murder and then the one that she receives when she returns saying oh that
00:38:58
person stood me up never showed up at the meeting I I came back and then gets another phone call and goes back out
00:39:05
this Source says that police attempted to locate where those calls came from and that they could not determine the
00:39:15
source of the first call but they did the second call now this is going to be pretty simple
00:39:22
when I lay it out for you the second call they traced it back to a pay phone at a local mall
00:39:32
and it's my understanding that in 1997 where this phone was this pay phone it was
00:39:39
across the street within viewing distance of the real estate office that Charlotte worked at
00:39:49
now that's strange r going through all these other previous homicide cases that we've covered we can
00:39:57
we can fill in some of the blanks for you here if you've not listened to all 690 episodes of our wonderful garage
00:40:04
coverage we know that that these are not cell phones you know nowadays we talk about DNA solving murder cases
00:40:14
cell phones are solving just as many murder cases if not more than DNA that's because the phone can track you
00:40:23
they can track the victim they can trace the victim they can trace the communications with the victim with the
00:40:27
in some cases with the murderer 1997 not so many cell phones out there but what they can determine is we know
00:40:38
that back then that they could easily find a location of a call if there was if there was billing involved if it was
00:40:44
not going to be a free call well the pay phone obviously is not a free call somebody somebody dropped the quarter
00:40:51
into the slot and called the real estate office spoke to Charlotte and said you know what I was running late and
00:40:57
according to that Source it came from that pay phone at that mall across the street from the real estate office the
00:41:03
first call they couldn't track it why because it probably came from a residential
00:41:09
location in that same area code where there was no long distance calling needed so for me there the there is added
00:41:21
problems with that that situation learn how to speak please because when we look at these cases
00:41:27
don't we usually try to determine when we have an unknown perpetrator we try to apply the evidence and the facts as they
00:41:35
were to see and get gather if if we can get some insights into the Killer and if
00:41:40
they have any criminal sophistication to me this at first at first glance I thought this is potentially showing some
00:41:49
signs of criminal sophistication however I think I think there's two sides to that coin Captain I think with this
00:41:57
situation you one could go you know what I don't know any better I don't know if
00:42:01
they can track that call yesterday to my house but what I do know is there's probably
00:42:08
if they can if they can track calls let's make it let's not show up to the appointment and let's make a second call
00:42:15
from somewhere else and then that way if at least if they trace the first call to
00:42:19
me at the very least that they're going to have another call with another appointment
00:42:24
that moves them they can't completely hone in on me because there's another call with another appointment
00:42:30
so it's a weird situation where it could be a default reaction to oh [ __ ] I used
00:42:36
my home phone number to call this lady or it could be uh I know what I'm doing and let's make
00:42:45
a a second call this case again is all screwy in in all funny and fascinating and weird you
00:42:54
reference red light case this is a bang my head against the desk case yeah because on there's so many
00:43:02
possibilities there's roads that lead you to a stranger there's roads that lead you to
00:43:07
a competitor that may have wanted to offer because she's so successful taking business from them and then there's
00:43:13
roads that lead you back to her husband or if she is having an affair maybe to the person she's having an affair with
00:43:19
yeah let's just go through this very slowly a guy has a fantasy of killing a woman
00:43:27
he finds a remote location he calls he meets her out there he kills her or there's a female hey
00:43:34
she's having an affair with this lady's husband she has a male call the woman meets her out there kills her
00:43:42
or hires a hit the husband hires a hit and has the killer call or like you said she's
00:43:50
having an affair and the guy the the phone call in general was a phony phone call and she knew it was a funny phone
00:43:57
call I mean there's so many possibilities I think because of the strangulation and the shots
00:44:07
it's almost like the shots were like to make sure that she was dead well a couple thoughts that I have on if it
00:44:14
were if she were targeted or not right because if it was a stranger then you would believe that that she's
00:44:22
probably not targeted if it were a perfect stranger she's probably not targeted but then again how
00:44:28
perfect could The Stranger be they weren't able to trace the first call so that came within her area code
00:44:34
but but here's the thing if if somebody wanted to Target her but make it look like she wasn't targeted
00:44:42
somebody that knew her schedule or had a general feel for how that Opera that operation the the office operated where
00:44:49
they put people on the phones on a rotation to take these cold calls and to take the walk-ins
00:44:57
somebody may know that information especially somebody she works with I'd like to know too especially her husband
00:45:04
I'd like to know if there was any male walk-ins that day because what go ahead I'm sorry I was going to say
00:45:14
because you know most of the time the the killer has a a vision of their victim and so by that
00:45:24
by the calls being traced back to a pay phone that's really close to their office it would
00:45:30
make some sense oh I'm just going to go in the office and see which girls are working today
00:45:37
and okay well this one will do well there's a pay phone across the street I'll go make the call and sub the
00:45:45
appointment there not going to assume that it's the same person why would I well I what why one
00:45:53
and I just made the appointment while I was there well because I don't want that
00:45:57
appointment traced back to me so I wonder if there's any walk-ins that day there's a couple things that I want
00:46:03
to know and I think that the police probably know the answer to at least one of these questions
00:46:09
I do know that her husband for in 1997 I do know that he did own a cell phone which is not common in 1997. now we do
00:46:18
know that they traced the one call that came in via the pay phone or or at least
00:46:22
that Source tells us that they did I wonder all of those calls on his cell phone would have been billed
00:46:30
did they did they do a background check on his call log for that cell phone right that would be interesting I don't
00:46:38
care so much about the walk-ins I understand why you you would want to know and other people would want to know
00:46:42
here's what I want to know we know that two people were Manning the phones that week
00:46:46
if you were to Target Charlotte right if I'm setting up a hit here's what I need
00:46:53
I need my Hitman to arrange a meeting with my target with my hip but I want to muddy the waters and make
00:47:06
and not create a trail from the Target to my Hitman to me right how could I do that well if I have an
00:47:16
understanding of how that office operates that works right away the people that would have
00:47:22
that knowledge would be people that work there or people close to people that work
00:47:28
there and her husband so if I know that my target is going to be one of two people manning the phones
00:47:37
that week is it as simple as having my Hitman call in and go because here's here's typically
00:47:48
what happens especially look customer service ain't what it used to be my friend I don't
00:47:54
care who you are but or where you're from it ain't what it used to be but back in the day 1997 I can get I would
00:48:01
wager Franklin you love it when I wager Franklin's I'm down like 900 Franklin's now yeah I wager Franklin than 1997 90
00:48:09
of the time when somebody answers a call at that real estate office for these cold calls when they're put on the desk
00:48:15
that week they go uh thank you for calling True Crime garage real estate office this is the crispy Colonel how may I
00:48:24
direct your call this is the crispy Colonel how can I help you and guess what if your target is Charlotte
00:48:31
all your Hitman has to do if she doesn't pick up the phone is click click as soon as that other lady who's
00:48:39
answering the phones or some guy that might have answered the phone that day if it's a guy's voice easy hang up
00:48:44
that's not your target if someone picks up the phone says this is Sharon how can I help you well Sharon's
00:48:51
not your target click and you call back later you got a 50 50 shot of getting Charlotte on the phone if you know the
00:48:58
operations of that office for that week I I cannot get past the fact that I I don't know who hired the hit I think
00:49:07
this was absolutely a hit I don't think it was a stranger crime I think that there's too many
00:49:12
connecting factors I think that the The Stranger would have to know too much and the reason why I think it's a hit is
00:49:20
I think that Charlotte was too smart that I think she would have recognized you know how someone from her office
00:49:27
calls how do they disguise their voice 50 people in that office yeah you're not gonna maybe know everyone's voice on the
00:49:36
phone but it but it it seems unlikely and here's why I say hit too they say and we hear this all the time
00:49:44
in homicides but here especially in this in this case gunshot wounds ligature strangulation
00:49:52
and oftentimes the coroner will tell us both could have caused the death well both could have caused the death
00:50:00
but both didn't cause the death one of them caused the death and guess guess what is the absolute weapon most
00:50:08
of the time a gun the gun caused her death I think this shows signs of a hit because I think that the guy showed up
00:50:17
with the intention of going to a secluded place in a vacant house one-on-one and when he confirmed that
00:50:25
she was there by herself he went in for the kill with the strangulation and what
00:50:30
do we know and what have we said a hundred times on the show Killers have told us it is surprisingly difficult at
00:50:38
times to strangle someone to death she could have come to and he decided I don't care if this gets loud I gotta
00:50:46
make sure that I do what I was sent here to do and I think that that's when the gun
00:50:52
come came into play yeah or even so it's uh strangulation first and then they like I said before
00:50:59
the gunshots are just to make sure that there's no chance that she's surviving the strangulation
00:51:07
and sometimes we like to give a little homework out there if anybody can find like a a real true very good source that
00:51:16
that backs up the information that police and we're talking I want this from like a local newspaper
00:51:24
a statement coming from the the police the investigating agency a detective or the state police saying we traced that
00:51:31
second call to a pay phone because if that information is incorrect that changes that's a game changer right
00:51:39
there so if anybody can can send us a link to that hit us up on Twitter Instagram or put it on our blog on True
00:51:47
Crime garage.com that's information that we need to know this case is is incredibly interesting
00:51:53
there's a lot of a lot of problems and a lot of puzzle pieces missing from this case we want to hear what you think and
00:51:59
what your thoughts are we also want to remind you that there is still a reward for information in this case now
00:52:09
we talked about the real estate office offering up a hundred grand back in the day that for my understanding that
00:52:16
reward is no longer available I mean it was 26 years ago but from what I could find here Captain
00:52:24
this is uh dated December 16 2021 the Pennsylvania State Police continues their investigation into the
00:52:35
homicide of 40-year-old Charlotte fimiano Charlotte femiano an agent with Weichert Realtors failed to return home
00:52:42
after showing a home to an unknown client on September 11 1997. it was determined that her last destination was
00:52:51
a vacant home for sale at 2147 Chelsea Lane Hellertown lower sock'em Township Northampton County Law Enforcement
00:53:01
discovered her body in the vacant home during the early morning hours of 9 12 1997. Charlotte had been strangled and
00:53:10
shot to death anyone with information on this case is asked to anonymously contact the Pennsylvania Crime Stoppers
00:53:17
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