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gather around, grab a chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. The murder of Father Alfred Koons, he
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was killed in his church back in 1998. There has been some argument recently, Captain, if this is a cold case or if
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it's a case that there's still plenty of leads depending on which investigator or
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journalist you talk to, you're going to get both sides of the argument that it's
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either a cold case or there's there's plenty of fuel there keeping this investigation going.
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Well, yeah, I'm not going to listen to the journalist, I'm going to listen to the detective. Mhm. And the detective
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said at least I think this last year, within the last year, he said it's not cold cuz it's not
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sitting on some shelf somewhere. There's still a unit that is assigned to this investigation. Right. And but but I did
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say depending on which investigator detective you speak with because there have been some detectives along the way
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that said, you know what? I don't think that we're ever going to see this thing solved. I don't think we're ever going
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to see a conviction here. And but you're right, as more recently there seems to be some
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detectives involved that believe that we could see this thing work itself out. They might be waiting for a little luck,
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they might be waiting for the right clue or possibly, you know, a confession. Sometimes these confessions
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can happen as the years go by. so where we're at before was the theories. And the the first theory
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primarily was was this some kind of satanic killing. Mhm. And again, my theories on that
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I I for me, I think they would be they'd leave some signature. Now, his friend that was a priest, uh what
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was his name? Fiori or Martin? Martin. Martin is the one that brought up the fact that well, there's possibly
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some satanic cult within the church. And I think if he was killed by one of them to
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shut him up for what he was saying on his radio show, I don't think there would be some kind of signature mark
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left. We don't know if there was or wasn't because this again, a lot of this investigation has been
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closed, you know, close to the chest. Mhm. Now, what I would argue and and I think we differ on some of this because
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you said earlier, yeah, rightfully so, a lot of this stuff should be kept close to the vest.
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I think as, you know, we're talking about many years have passed. Right. You know, I think investigators need to
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the more evidence that you release, the more leads you will get. And I know some of those leads that
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you'll get are going to be kind of a waste of time, but you're going to get more leads. So, if there
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was some kind of signature, we don't know. And if there is, they might might want to release that. Right.
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And you and I have both voiced publicly here uh that, you know, regarding the Amy Mihaljevic The garage is not public,
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dude. Uh but regarding the Amy Mihaljevic case uh here from Ohio, Mhm. when they
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released information that they did say, when they released the information, they
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said, "Look, we're not certain if this is tied to the case or if or if it's not." Um you know, it could be, but th-
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this item, these drapes were found in the area, found near her body, and but but they released this information what,
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20 25 years later? And it's like um okay, yeah, as you're saying with Father Coons' murder, this takes place in 1998.
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Yes, there there could be um there would be reason to release some of that to maybe have somebody point the
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finger at the right guy, especially especially when they come out and say, you know, we believe that this guy would
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have had obvious signs of injury probably on his face after this murder took place. So, we're talking about a
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town of 6-700 people. If if in fact somebody from the town committed that crime, well, um it's not too hard to tie
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those two things together. Well, in law law enforcement's defense, you know, back in 1998, I don't think they had a
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lot of what would be the word? I don't think they had a lot of hope or a lot of I
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don't think they put a lot of weight into armchair detectives. And I think you're seeing now like even with the
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Delphi murders when they come out with that new suspect drawing, you know, we released that I I've been
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getting so many you know, we have the sketch that they released with the Delphi murders, but I've been
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getting pictures of suspects that look similar and then I get a whole background
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of this individual and I go, well, how did you get this? How did you get the background of this individual? Oh, well,
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I did my research. So, I I think once law enforcement starts putting a little more weight into armchair detectives and
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web sleuthers, you know, I think some of these things would wouldn't go as cold so fast. Right. And I have to agree with
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you, Captain. Back to something you said earlier regarding the satanic aspect of
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this murder. I'm with you. I think that if it was some teenage group of Satanists or some
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random group of Satanists that they might have made it clear at the crime scene, there would have been been some
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kind of visual display of such. If it was some kind of weird satanic thing going on within the
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church, I think you're right, they would be quiet about that. It wouldn't be something that they would make so
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obvious for investigators. Um So that's the first theory. Yes, regarding the investigation itself, I'm going to take
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you just real quick. This is Dane County Sheriff Hamblin. Um he is uh he he notes in this article
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in his interview that he is a lifelong Catholic. Uh he does admit that the investigation has been tedious and
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frustrating. Uh he said that they had tracked down thousands of tips from the public Mhm. and they were checking and
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re-check re-checking what is now a room full of detailed police reports. Uh he says, "I don't know how many people
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we've spoke to. I do know that it's been quite a number of people. It's been all
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the way from one coast to the other end of the country as far as people that they've spoke with." Now, in this same
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interview, one by one he dismisses the more uh fanciful possibilities uh in this
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case and he dismisses them outright. Uh the first being something we spoke about
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yesterday, the calf mutilation connection. He states, "Nope, you know, was there any connection between
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Father Coons in the death of this calf?" He says, "Nope, there there's been lots
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of rumors around town regarding that incident." Mhm. But they didn't find anything. They
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investigated it. They didn't find anything. Well, in the timeline of that killing of the calf might not actually
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actually be accurate either. I mean, that could have all just been rumor or hearsay. The other thing was the
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exorcism referral. Um remember we said that it it was thought by some other priest that Coons was to be contacted or
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to be conducting an exorcism soon in the near future before his uh death occurred. Um the thing here is
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they said the same thing. We that they investigated that and nothing came of it. Now, he adding his own opinion
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though, stating that um when when people talk about an exorcism referral as far as this case is concerned, he says that
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he he would actually think of someone with a mental illness rather than somebody being possessed by a demon.
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Mhm. Uh this is from his police background. And he says that he believes every evidence in this investigation has
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pointed to that this would be a very emotional murder. Which brings all sorts of possibilities. So, what he's what I
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think if we're trying to read between the lines here of what the Sheriff Hamblin is saying, a a a probably very
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emotional murder. The Reading between the lines, I feel like that means that there's some ties.
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There's some more direct ties from the assailant to the victim rather than just a some mentally ill person, somebody
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that is demonically possessed, or some Satanist, you know, or or or Mhm. a random drifter, you know, because that
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was one theory at the beginning. Yeah, I don't know if I buy that. Again, like we we do have evidence that there
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was no breaking and entering. Mhm. So, was was it a drifter that the father was trying to help? Or was this somebody
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that he knew? Uh and he let this person in. Or did this person have access? So, let's get into some more theories.
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Right. And I think the thing there reading between the lines though, I think the Sheriff is implying some kind
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of relationship between the murderer and the the victim there. Right, some knowledge of of who was his
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murderer. And he was also directly asked about a church connection, perhaps the controversy going on in Springfield,
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Illinois uh diocese, and he says nope, there was no connection confirmed that direction either. You spoke about that a
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little bit yesterday. but I don't About some investigations that Coons was rumored we we can't
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confirm. He was rumored to have been involved in some kind of investigations into the Diocese and
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Springfield, Illinois. Well, and also all the Diocese in and all of Illinois. And so what did he say on the radio
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show? What did the people working on the radio show know? That seems like very controversial
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Catholic radio show. You're going against the church. They never like that. So is there any you know,
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again, we have a priest friend that was on the show talking about these inner um
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child pedophile um rings within the Catholic Church. So there's your connection. Uh is it connected to the
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murder? We don't know, but there is a connection there. Well, staying on that note on the thought of
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another priest and also the uh their radio show as well. In the aftermath of Coons' death, um you know, the aftermath
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got strange and then it got even stranger. There would be stories of the exorcism referral that we talked about,
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the satanic assassinate assassination. Eventually there's in innuendos of sexual impropriety by Coons and we'll
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get to that in a little bit. Uh there would even be allegations that his murder could somehow be linked to evil
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in the most unthinkable of places, the vast Catholic hierarchy that Coons was tied to as a priest. Some even blame the
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Vatican in Rome. So could someone within the church really have killed Coons or ordered him to be killed?
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Right, like a hit. Mhm. Well, remember we spoke about Peter Kelly. He is the attorney that was the producer of the
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radio show that had worked with Coons uh for quite some time in Monroe, um Wisconsin.
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Now, Peter Kelly, when asked that question, could somebody in the church really have killed Coons or ordered him
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to be killed, uh, his response was absolutely. As unbelievable as that might sound to some people,
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um, he says absolutely. And he also adds that there were an awful a lot of people
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in the church for whom life would have been a lot easier if Father Coons was not around.
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Right. So, again, I think he was doing some investigative work. This is, like I said, a couple years before the whole
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Spotlight thing in in Boston. Mhm. Uh, if you haven't seen that, um, movie, I think it it's it's very, um,
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educational on on the inner workings of systems and how they protect themselves. Mhm. Um,
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and I think he probably knew some stuff. And again, uh, the, you know, like I said, there'd
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be a signature. Now, if you're just trying to shut somebody up, you only need one
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signature. Mhm. A slit throat. Right. normally indication of that this person was talking.
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Right? Correct. I mean, that's I'm not saying that other people aren't murdered for other things or people
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aren't murdered like that, but to me, it's like, um, this this person kind of knew what they're doing. They they they
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cut a artery. You know, which doesn't happen in every, um, slit, you know, not every time does somebody slit somebody's
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throat do they hit a artery. So, it feels like, you know, maybe that this person kind of had some understanding of
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what they were doing. Well, and one story that has kind of weaved itself into the story of the
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murder of Alfred Coons, of Father Alfred Coons, is this one. This is a strange story, but this is a man claiming to be
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Coons's friend. Uh, this is Abbot Ryan St. Ann Scott. Mhm. Um, now, this person felt that Coons's murder was
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related to Koons's investigation of sexual abuse scandals inside the Diocese and this referring to the Springfield,
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Illinois Diocese stating that Koons had allegedly been investigating reports of homosexuality
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and sexual abuse by priest within that Diocese. Now, how did these two find each other? Well,
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Reverend Ryan and Scott claims that and he's currently going by a different name
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Ryan and OSB those are Yeah, I don't I think that stands for some kind of title there Captain but
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this is a this is a SOB Yeah, I'm more familiar with that one. So Scott is what has been labeled by the
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Catholic Church as an independent Catholic priest. That's what I am. I guess that that means he's not in
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communion with Rome. Right, that's what I am. I'm Father Captain SOB. The other thing that the debatable topic
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about this guy though is that it's whether he was validly ordained or not is the big debate and that's the
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argument that the Catholic Church is saying well, why why would they want to say that he's not ordained because they
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want to discredit this man who claims to be a victim of sexual abuse by members of the Catholic clergy in an incident
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that occurred in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee. He states this was after um after Koons's death but this man states
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that in 1998 his confessor and spiritual director was Reverend Father Alfred Koons from Dane,
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Wisconsin. Of course the brutally murdered in his church and he but he's stating you know that he was working
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with this guy. He he had worked with Koons regarding his personal story and regarding these allegations that he's
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brought forward about Springfield, Illinois. Now, his own personal um his own personal tragedy that took place
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or the crimes against him would have taken place early in the fall of 1976. So, when when this guy was a much
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younger man, um he he was brutally gang-raped in the St. John's Cathedral in Milwaukee,
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Wisco- Wisco- according to him. He states that he was lured there under false pretenses by a fellow priest and
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was set up for humiliation and bodily harm. Right. Um according to Scott, Father
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Koons was was determined um to to to validate that this guy was actually ordained, that he was an actual
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real ordained priest. Um Right, because it's this like I said before, it's the system covering up the
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system. Mhm. You know, so they're going to Okay, we're going to discredit this guy by saying he he's not ordained. So,
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okay, again, what does that have to do with anything? Can you answer me that? Well, I
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I mean just a at a grand scale thing. Because there if you if you read the full length of his allegations against
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these other priest, he would have had to have been a priest for this to for the crime to have gone down the way he said
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it went down. So, if so, do you see what I'm saying there? Right, so so the church is saying
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if he wasn't ordained, then therefore the story is bogus. Right, it's like it's like if I said,
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you know, I was once a member of the Oakland Raiders. Oh, sorry, my my phone is going off.
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You should have shut off your phone in the garage. that's the first time we've had a phone.
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No, I I got I got guilty of that once, so I think we're even Steven now. But what I'm what I'm getting at is the way
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that the story goes down is that it'd be the same as if I said I was a member of
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the Oakland Raiders and during halftime inside the locker room the one of the players
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punched me out. Okay. That's not the same thing. No, it'd be like you saying you're a part of the Oakland Raiders,
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you're the punter, and then when you got in the locker room you're gang raped by
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the offensive line. I don't think that That would be the same. No. What I'm saying is that it it is the exact same
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because as soon as I go and I report the crime and then the Oakland Raiders go um
00:31:10
It's different crime, though. He's never been Well, duh, but when they say he's never
00:31:15
been a member of this football team, then immediately my allegations, my whole story falls apart immediately, you
00:31:21
know. Not necessarily. That is what I'm saying. But how? If I'm stating that the that
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the assault took place at halftime while I was employed by the Oakland Raiders and I was there in the locker room
00:31:35
because I was a player on that team and I was assaulted and then they go, "Well, that's
00:31:41
impossible. He's never been a member of this football team. He would have never been in the locker room. We don't know
00:31:46
what he's talking about." My argument is that it would be yes, lie, lie, but if you can prove one of those things, you
00:31:52
know, it'd be like again, "Oh, well, I'm a you know, I work for the garage, blah
00:31:56
blah blah, I got beat up." "Oh, well, you actually don't work for this garage." "But I have proof that I was
00:32:02
beat up." "Well, just because you know, I wasn't truthful about about one thing doesn't mean that just because I was
00:32:09
just because I lied about one thing doesn't mean the next thing is automatically a lie is what I'm saying.
00:32:15
Possibly, but what I'm saying is if you read the full length of this of these accusations, he would have had
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to have been a priest. He would have had to been working in that capacity for this for this to be truthful at all.
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Right, but then the argument too is that Father Coons was trying to prove Right. He was trying to validate this
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guy being as an ordained priest. Again, another motive for the system to cover up the system. Mhm.
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Um this Saint Ann person himself, he is a controversial character. Um and that's
00:32:49
not just by the um opinion of the church. Mhm. Um in 19 he has a felony conviction uh from 1994
00:32:59
uh for misconduct in public office. Um apparently he had a check from the city for $30 and he magically made it
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turn into a check for $300. Uh and he got caught for this. The old add a zero trick.
00:33:16
Um add that to the list of things not to do that we were going over yesterday, Captain. Mhm. Um but this this person
00:33:24
and I again, similar situation to, you know, Malachi Martin that we discussed yesterday. When
00:33:31
it comes to this guy, he has these allegations. They are interesting. Are they true? I don't know. I There's I
00:33:37
don't know if that there's enough evidence or enough proof to back up some of his statements. Now it has been
00:33:45
uh reported that we talked about roughly, you know, kind of touched on that Springfield, Illinois connection.
00:33:51
Mhm. Um but the the bishop eventually did resign from um his office there. So I don't know if that you can make your
00:34:01
own opinion on that if it that means if there is any sign of guilt or not. Well, and that's one of the one of the
00:34:07
major things that the spotlight team uncovered in Boston was whether it was people resigning or them moving around
00:34:14
priests to cover their tracks. Mhm. So uh cover their tracks, I mean, basically just hide criminals. Um Captain, we got
00:34:23
to talk about this thing though here uh because about 2 years after the murder of Father Coons, there's an article that
00:34:29
came out. This is from the um, Madison uh, Associated Press um, stating that the title is "Slain
00:34:38
priest had relationships with women." Uh, and I'll give you the gist of it. And I'll give you the gist of it rather
00:34:44
than read through the whole thing. Read it slow. Like one of those Penthouse Forums?
00:34:52
Um, so basically what they're stating here is that the investigators believe that uh, Father Koons had carried on
00:35:02
intimate relationships with women uh, involved in the parish Uh, Is there any other kind?
00:35:08
for about 20 years continuing just prior to his death. Now, investigators came out with this information because they
00:35:16
were asking the public for leads now that they had this new possible motive. Right, so the motive would be he was
00:35:24
having a sexual relationship with a a married woman and then the the husband found out and then decided to kill
00:35:31
Father Koons. Yeah, became in a jealous rage, stormed into the church and Which is definitely a crime of passion, so I
00:35:39
could see you know, this being a possible motive. Mhm. This this seems likely, you know,
00:35:45
um, It would seem more likely if he wasn't as old as he was. Correct. And that's one thing that that a lot of the
00:35:51
parishioners were pointing out um, that they were stating, you know, they felt uh, I think the church
00:35:58
um, and I mean his specific church, people that had relationships as as far as a a priest and parishioner
00:36:05
relationship with Father Koons. They got very upset about this um, coming out. And they and they actually got very
00:36:11
upset with their own sheriff and their own sheriff's department because they almost felt like these allegations were
00:36:17
not warranted uh, and that they were really just kind of dragging the good father's name
00:36:24
through the mud after death. Well, the statistics are like only 47% of priests are
00:36:31
are celebrate anyways. So, I mean that's pretty you know, for people that take a oath
00:36:38
you know. Right. An oath of chastity that you're stating that the the numbers are on the side of the investigators
00:36:44
allegations. Yeah, but uh but I mean it's it's a dumb rule anyways. I mean that was that wasn't put
00:36:51
into place by the church for for a very long time. And it was only put into place so it had nothing to do with being
00:36:58
more holy or anything like that. It was more just so the priest in the community had a lot of
00:37:04
power. And so if they had kids then they could transfer that power over. So, now
00:37:09
you're becoming more of a kingdom than you are a church. So, the Catholic Church put that into law and therefore
00:37:17
they couldn't pass down the their power to their family. Mhm. Well, this would lead the investigators to um investigate
00:37:25
and interviewing um a lot of the female parishioners. Mhm. Um and we have I have
00:37:32
an account of how some of the questioning went down uh for one woman but we will get right to that after this
00:37:38
quick beer break. All right. We are back. Cheers mates. Cheers my friend. Um we were talking about some of the
00:38:11
parishioners getting questioned female parishioners uh regarding if Father Coons had intimate relationships with
00:38:18
them. Well, one woman this is Morris Smith. She was a St. Michael parishioner who was identified as one of the women
00:38:26
that police thought Coons might have been having an intimate relationship with. Now, Smith describes the police
00:38:34
um attention as relentless, uh intimidating, and unbearable. Her uh butcher knives were confiscated from her
00:38:43
home. Smelly. Yeah, they Well, they searched her home. Uh confiscated butcher knives,
00:38:48
a a baseball bat, tools, snapshots of Coons, and other personal items of hers. Mhm. Uh there was interview upon tough
00:38:58
interview, she says. Um Again, now if they're pulling stuff like the baseball bat and stuff are Now, can
00:39:03
we assume that maybe he was hit with some object? Maybe he was attacked by more than one weapon.
00:39:10
Right. And again, wouldn't that be something that you I don't know. I think it's
00:39:15
I have a real issue with them keeping too much information close to the vest. Uh they The authorities also took blood
00:39:21
and hair samples. Um they would say that uh Mara, you know, they would ask Mara questions. Mara, I'm sorry. Did Did he
00:39:29
touch you? Did he grab you? Uh And she's like, "Just above the belly button." Well, they said he They told her that
00:39:37
they were asking these same questions and doing similar searches with all of the women of the parish. Well, well,
00:39:44
yeah, you'd expect them to be asking these questions of these women if if this is a possible motive. Mhm.
00:39:50
Well, the thing here is Smith says of her experience, you know, regarding Father Coons was that their relationship
00:39:58
was was innocent. She says Father Coons was a gentleman. She says regarding her what she would call um intimidating
00:40:06
questioning that she received from the police as well as uh them searching her home, she states that she has suffered
00:40:12
more than her fair share of what what was entailed in this investigation. Um she eventually moved out of the area.
00:40:20
She moved to Milwaukee. Um Milwaukee. Because she was upset about the ordeal citing police harassment um and accusing
00:40:29
the sheriff's office of dragging Coons's name through the mud. So that's one ladies that's one of the ladies of the
00:40:37
parish her experience as far as the allegations about Father Coons with women of the
00:40:45
Right. So church and if there were potentially a jealous husband or boyfriend involved in
00:40:49
the murder. Right. So basically what you know, they come up with this theory and
00:40:55
they This is trying me drives me insane. Let's come up with the theory and then we try to prove it. How about you try to
00:41:02
prove it before you start, you know, again, we'll hold all this stuff to the vest really closely, but you know, we're
00:41:08
going to start spreading rumors that this this father was having affairs with with ladies from his church. Well, a lot
00:41:15
of times investigators or police will use the word intimate to to mean just a close relationship to describe a close
00:41:23
relationship. I think that's irresponsible. Well, one thing that they did in this investigation and when they
00:41:31
would speak publicly about this investigation was at some point they dropped that word as
00:41:38
you know, saying intimate relationship with the priest. Mhm. Uh because at some point they started saying, you know,
00:41:44
their belief is that this person had an intimate relationship with the priest and had a good working knowledge of the
00:41:50
church itself or the building uh that he was found murdered in. Right. Now, the thing here is like I
00:41:57
said, they dropped that that intimate title and just changed it to a relationship or close relationship with
00:42:03
the father at some point because they you know, they're getting backlash from the from the from the parish. Well, of
00:42:09
course, again, investigate it then present the theory. Don't present the theory, then investigate it. I again I
00:42:15
just think that's irresponsible. So, that that theory is kind of squashed and what else we have? I know we had some
00:42:22
profiles that they had. Yes, so the police I do think that the investigators here did a pretty thorough job on this
00:42:29
investigation. Seems like they've worked very hard and tried everything they could. Now, one thing they did work with
00:42:35
FBI profilers. Mhm. Um the forensic behavior science experts who discern probable behavior at crime
00:42:43
scenes based on physical evidence and consultation with investigators. Police consider these profiles to just
00:42:50
be guiding tools. We all know that. Um here are the conclusions of the FBI profiles regarding the Father Koons
00:42:57
case. Uh this is their thoughts. One, the offender showed obvious rage publicly and like and the likely motive
00:43:05
was related to jealousy, revenge, betrayal, or something else very personal. So, a personal uh vendetta
00:43:14
against the the priest. Uh they also state that number two that the weapon might have a connection to the killer's
00:43:20
employment or hobby. And the weapon is one that the killer feels comfortable using.
00:43:28
Three, the impetus of the murder could have been an incident that occurred between the killer and Father Koons
00:43:34
within 72 hours of the crime. This could have been the result of a long or short-term conflict and possibly of a
00:43:43
nature that other people would consider insignificant. Right, I just laughed because
00:43:50
well, it could have been a short-term or could have been a long-term. profiles can can be vague at times.
00:43:56
Um the killer would have tried to ensu- ensure an alibi to account for his absence during the time of the homicide.
00:44:04
The excuse might be weak, but the killer will not waver from it. Okay. The next one is the day after the
00:44:11
murder, the offender might have missed work claiming illness or injury. We've heard about this in in many other cases
00:44:18
that we've covered. Uh if the killer did go to work, it would have been difficult
00:44:22
for him to concentrate while worrying how the police might be able to find a link between him and the murder. Mhm.
00:44:31
The killer's preoccupation with the crime may have caused noticeable behavioral changes such as withdrawing from friends
00:44:40
and family, changes in eating and sleeping habits, and or increased use use of drugs and alcohol. Mhm. I mean,
00:44:49
we see this a lot times too. Somebody cri- you know, commits a crime and and then really follow follows it as as
00:44:57
almost a obsession. Mhm. And and they can sometimes they can be getting caught that way as as a result.
00:45:03
Yeah, and regarding the drugs and alcohol, you know, sometimes they they believe that's a way
00:45:08
of the person dealing with the guilt or dealing with the stress of being worried
00:45:13
that they're going to get tied to the crime. Mhm. Um they also state that it is possible that the killer is vocal in
00:45:19
proposing theories about the crime that draw away attention such as an interpreted burglary or sorry,
00:45:27
interrupted burglary or a transient theory or a conspiracy theory regarding the death of Coons.
00:45:35
Um Which a lot of people didn't present weird theories. Maybe Father Martin did, but
00:45:41
um so other than that Well, I think I think there were a few people working with in some capacity with the
00:45:48
church that were voicing some what we would say quote unquote weird theories. Um but yeah, not many theories seem to
00:45:55
be coming from the general public. Um Their other thought would be that people close to the killer may be a be aware of
00:46:03
a past dispute with the father. Um they might suspect the killer's involvement in the crime, but they also
00:46:10
might sympathize with the killer's situation. That seems like a strange one to throw in there. I wish I would have
00:46:16
exed that one out of their profile cuz that one just sounds Yeah, weird. Um next, the killer is a white male.
00:46:23
Here's where we get to some more specifics. It's always a white male. The white guy
00:46:27
did it. Um the killer is a white male probably in his late 20s or older. They estimate the age uh because of the
00:46:35
killer um lack of panic after the murder. That this must be somebody that's a little
00:46:41
older, that's a little uh more patient. That this wasn't a teenager or very young man. Um the murderer was known to
00:46:49
Father Coons. Um but also had a physical size that posed no threat to the to the father, to Father Coons. Right,
00:46:59
so not a large man. Well, this makes you wonder because they're they they're gathering some of this evidence as
00:47:05
physical evidence and with consulting with the active investigators on this crime. When they say that he has
00:47:13
no physical size that posed a threat to Father Coons, that makes you believe that he that
00:47:20
Father Coons very likely opened the door and let this person into the building. Or
00:47:25
And I think we've seen evidence of that. Yeah. Um Coons' murder was probably uh employed full-time as nothing of
00:47:33
value was taken from the scene. Remember we said early in the investigation they
00:47:37
would not rule out robbery. It sounds like it has been ruled out. Which I think, you know, that
00:47:43
uh the drifter Mhm. Cuz you know, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The drifter probably would have taken
00:47:49
something. Would have would have robbed the place in some form, yeah. But again, it's a big church, too. So, I
00:47:55
I it could be something again. And we also don't have Father Coons is not writing down an inventory of everything.
00:48:01
That's true. So, there could be there could be some uh let's you know, like some of those
00:48:06
like wine cups that they have, you know, or maybe they're just gold-plated, but you'd think maybe one of those would be
00:48:11
gone, but again, how many did they have? There could have been something taken and they just didn't know it.
00:48:17
Mhm. I agree with that. Um So, I went from drifter theory doesn't make any sense to it's
00:48:23
still still involved. It's still on the plate. Well, wait to scratch it off the paper. Oh, wait.
00:48:29
Uh they also state that the killer had at least a high school education. I love how they figure these things out. A
00:48:35
full-time employed uh at least a high school education and no extensive criminal record. The killer's
00:48:40
intelligence is average, but he is he is without the street smarts of a sophisticated criminal. Mhm. So, almost
00:48:49
stating, you know, we see no extensive criminal record and without the sophisticated uh street smarts of a
00:48:57
sophisticated criminal. So, this might be this first person's first um rodeo, so to speak. Um
00:49:05
and at the very maybe even more hadn't committed any crimes at all. Um the next one um is the killer did not
00:49:13
expect the amount of blood gushing from the fatal wound um complicating the weapon, his
00:49:19
clothing, and this this would complicate the disposal of his clothing and the weapon. This creating a problem for the
00:49:27
killer. Also unexpected was how fierce Coons struggled. No matter how brief the altercation was,
00:49:35
the killer was punched several times and may have been scratched or cut by the murder weapon itself. Right. These
00:49:42
injuries would have been visible to those close to the murderer. Mhm. Well, I like those FBI profiles,
00:49:50
Captain, and I and I like when they release them for um I could read those all day long and you're right though
00:49:56
there's there are things to them all day. There are things in there that you can
00:49:59
snicker at that you can laugh at a little bit. There there are some vague vagueness to them at times.
00:50:06
Um but I think that that would lead us to our next topic which would be you know we discussed theories.
00:50:14
But let's talk about some more let's talk about suspects and let's talk about them as specific suspects.
00:50:22
Mhm. Um so several sources um confirmed at one time in this investigation that the investigation was
00:50:30
targeting the teacher who had found Coons' body. Right. Um after this was this is different though because this is
00:50:39
after the this teacher moved in with Coons' friend. Who did he move in with? He moved in with Reverend Fiori. Uh now
00:50:48
remember we talked about this guy. He's a long time friends with Father Coons. And this quote unquote suspect moves in
00:50:56
with Fiori, lives with him for about 6 months. This is almost immediately after the murder. Right. Um the teacher
00:51:03
eventually moved out of the state um and was recently engaged to be married. Um I'm guessing I don't have anything to
00:51:11
back this up but I'm guessing that possibly that relationship with the woman may have taken him out of the
00:51:17
state. Um after finding the body though this teacher called 911 on the morning of
00:51:23
March 4th, 1998. The teacher did pass this is according to police uh passed police questioning. Um and what they did
00:51:32
was How he passed police questioning that he I was waiting for you to say a polygraph but No, this is according to
00:51:39
the police. Um now one thing that they did at the time um they took this person's clothing
00:51:46
because remember after finding the body, this teacher's clothing was covered in blood.
00:51:51
Mhm. So, they took his clothing and they left They basically left the teacher wrapped up in a blanket. Um what had
00:51:58
happened was when the when Father Koons was found murdered at the church, you know,
00:52:04
there was supposed to be school that day. There was going to be other teachers. There was going to be students
00:52:09
there. This was going to be a regular day in Dane in Dane County. Right. Um but what ended up happening was they
00:52:16
discovered the murder and so they sent all of the parishioners, all of the school children, all the people arriving
00:52:23
to the school that morning, they sent them across the street to the village hall. Um now there this teacher this
00:52:29
teacher that is more shocked than the rest of the parishioners because he in fact found the body. Mhm. He's had his
00:52:36
bloody bloody clothing confiscated from him, taken from him. He's now wrapped in
00:52:41
a towel sitting amongst all of these other people who were in shocked that their their priest was killed. Well, a
00:52:47
couple things with this. I mean, the murder weapon would have to be close. Mhm. And they should be able to do DNA
00:52:53
testing to see if this teacher had any blood um like a mixture of blood between his
00:52:58
and father's. Mhm. But you know, I'm assuming they did that that testing. Well, the police they
00:53:07
the thing the problem they had with him as a suspect was they and this might just be
00:53:13
their intuition. That's that's taking him away. This might just be their own, you know, experiences as a police
00:53:19
officer detective. But they're stating that they would find it highly highly improbable that this guy would
00:53:27
have killed the priest sometime at night. So, this would probably have taken place at 11:30, 12:30 that night
00:53:35
and then been the first one to return to the crime scene to find the victim. Um the thing, Captain, though they they
00:53:43
that he would stay in the church that whole time. Correct. Mhm. And so, we also have uh the teacher
00:53:49
was again interviewed by investigators at least once that I could find. This would have been in late March uh with a
00:53:57
lawyer present. So, questioned the day of the finding and then questioned again at a later date in March. Now, sometimes
00:54:04
when you're questioning somebody, it's not because it's not to insinuate any guilt. Maybe they're not guilty of
00:54:09
anything, you're just going over what they saw, anything they recollect uh that had taken place. Maybe there was
00:54:15
something that you missed uh the first time. Um, Fiori and others uh involved that knew this man and knew Father Koons
00:54:24
very well um have told said publicly that they cannot imagine any connection um from this teacher to the actual
00:54:33
murder. Um, and then everybody kind of coming to the defense of this teacher stating that
00:54:38
the teacher was not did not appear to have been injured in any way on March 4th. Um, and remember we said according
00:54:46
to the FBI profile as well as the investigators that Koons put up a pretty good fight uh even if it was a short
00:54:52
fight uh before his throat was slashed. Yeah, the problem with that though problem with that evidence is again we
00:54:59
don't know what what they're talking about. So, like I said before, maybe there's bruises on his knuckles and
00:55:04
stuff like that. And there's multiple ways. I mean, maybe you get a bruise from your knuckle
00:55:09
because you did punch somebody. Or maybe you get a bruise from your knuckle because in the struggle your
00:55:14
hand smacks against the wall. So, I think sometimes that, you know, there is just quote unquote scientific evidence
00:55:21
of maybe that this guy put up a fight and that somebody should be injured, but that does, you know, you got to air that
00:55:27
there's always that slim possibility that what you're seeing, what you think you're seeing scientifically is not what
00:55:34
you're seeing. Right. Right. Um, you know, so they didn't see didn't have any injuries that were visible to the public
00:55:41
on that day that the body was found. Um, and also stating that the teacher did not show any visible signs of anger
00:55:48
toward Father Koons at any time uh before or after the murder. And this to me seems like kind of a weak suspect.
00:55:57
Uh, obviously, you'd want to question this individual because he found the father that he actually worked with the
00:56:03
father, but this seems like a weak suspect to me, but there was a stronger suspect. Yes, there was a stronger
00:56:09
suspect. And just before we get to this this other suspect, staying on your same
00:56:14
thought there, uh, investigating the person that found him, also investigating the person that last was
00:56:20
known to see Father Koons. So, we did have Father Fiore, uh, who did endure a heavy police scrutiny at one time.
00:56:28
Mhm. Um, and one article that I found, and I couldn't confirm this with with other articles, but it stated he had
00:56:34
been cleared in the as having any involvement in the murder of the priest. Now, so here here's the next guy. And
00:56:42
and this guy might be a little bit better of a suspect than both of the last two people we discussed. So, this
00:56:47
comes from a gentleman by the name of Matt Abbott. Uh, he's somebody that's covered this case extensively. Uh, he's
00:56:54
a writer, a journalist that has covered this case extensively over the years. Uh, and one article that he wrote uh was
00:57:01
titled "Did a Hanged Rapist Kill a Wisconsin Priest?" Uh, and in the article, he says that he had received an
00:57:10
email from a person named John Kavanaugh. Now, this John Kavanaugh is a retired Dane County Deputy. And John was
00:57:17
stating that he knew the person, well, he knew of a person with a violent, a very violent background who was in the
00:57:25
area on the day of Father Koons's murder. Uh, this person uh that he's going to say allegedly killed Father Coons uh is
00:57:34
now deceased. Yeah, he's going to implicate him in the Well, where did John Cavanaugh get his information? He
00:57:40
says that the suspect, his father, had told John that the suspect had contact with Father Coons and that he had asked
00:57:48
Father Coons for money. He was refused and in this person's words, he said he had to rough him up. So, he had to rough
00:57:55
up the priest after he's denied money. Now, this perpetrator, this suspect, is John Cavanaugh's nephew. So, it would be
00:58:03
John's brother, the father of the suspect, that gave him this information. Now, who is his nephew? His nephew had a
00:58:11
history of violence toward women. He was incarcerated pending trial on charges of assault and kidnapping and he
00:58:20
committed suicide while he was waiting for that trial. He had previously served time in state prison for assaulting
00:58:28
another woman. Well, right. Okay, so think about this, too. I mean, think about how many cases that we've had.
00:58:36
I think Aurora shooting, Aurora theater shooting, Sandy Hook, I think. Um couple other ones where where the
00:58:46
parents hear about a crime and they get a gut feeling that it was their their son or their daughter or whoever,
00:58:56
right? Right. And so, we have this case where this thing happens in a small town.
00:59:01
But, yeah, maybe the father you know, gets more information, but he had a gut feeling from the beginning.
00:59:08
Well, the strange thing about this person saying that he had to, you know, he was refused money and then he had to
00:59:13
rough up the priest. Well, he used this same phrase when he described a crime he had
00:59:19
committed like eight or 10 years before the murder of Father Coons. He had went to his own grandfather for money
00:59:27
and asked him for money and was refused and he told he told his father about this and said, "I had to rough up gram
00:59:34
my grandfather cuz he refused me money." He roughed the grandfather up so badly that the guy had to go to the hospital
00:59:40
and he spent the rest of his days in a wheelchair. So, it was it was damn near murder, you know what I mean? Uh to use
00:59:46
the words "had to rough him up." So, this man John Kavanaugh though is saying that he had once he had this information
00:59:54
from his brother about his nephew's confession, quote unquote confession, um he notified the sheriff's office.
01:00:02
Uh he said that they did do a little bit of follow-up on this. Uh they contacted
01:00:08
the father, they spoke with him, um but they did get back in contact with this John Kavanaugh and they told him, "You
01:00:15
know, what what your nephew told to your brother uh cannot be construed as a confession." Right.
01:00:21
Um that it's this is not considered a confession. On top of that, uh we're looking at a suspect that's already
01:00:27
dead. Maybe that has something to do with how much effort that they're going to put into this thing. Um he's tried to
01:00:32
get them time and time again to to consider this as as a strong theory in this case. He says, "But for what it's
01:00:39
worth, he is a retired Dane County deputy." Um so, he he would have worked with some of these investigators. And he
01:00:47
said that there are personality clashes uh with many who are in power at the sheriff's office today, which could very
01:00:55
well be one reason for their perceived failure to act upon his claims. He says that they're in no hurry to admit that
01:01:03
perhaps they should have followed up on this information years ago. Now, John Kavanaugh's nephew is Joseph Kavanaugh
01:01:10
and as we said, he did have a history of violence and possibly mental illness. Yeah, so a couple weird things here cuz
01:01:17
one, you'd think that this police department would and we've seen this time and time again with
01:01:22
other police departments where even if this is not the right guy, this guy is dead so therefore you can't defend
01:01:28
himself. I mean, we're not going to bring charges with there's not going to be charges to
01:01:32
anybody in this uh case, but this case will at least be closed and this is the most, you know, uh you dare say popular
01:01:40
case or most covered case in their small little county so you'd think we we just
01:01:45
got to get this closed. Um so I I kind of, you know, want to say, "Hey, I applaud them for not just, you know,
01:01:53
going Here's the guy, he did it. We're never going to charge him so let's move on." Right. Um but it seems like they
01:02:00
didn't do their due diligence on this. And I the reason why I think that the suspect being dead is is a hindrance for
01:02:07
them, is something that they don't wish to pursue, I wonder if the investigators
01:02:12
know that a confession is really the ultimate way of solving, you know, that this is might be the only way left of
01:02:19
solving this crime or this case. so much time has passed and there might not be I- if the if the attacker didn't cut
01:02:27
himself and there there might not be any DNA evidence. They did test, it was about four or five years into the
01:02:33
investigation. They said that they had a small amount of DNA that they wanted to
01:02:38
test and they were going to test in this investigation. However, they tested it and when they come back and they don't
01:02:44
really want to talk about the results or they're, you know, and they just say, "Well, it kind of went nowhere." Well,
01:02:49
that means it I I it means that it's either not DNA that they thought that they had.
01:02:55
it's poopoo. Right. Right. It's it's not going to lead to anybody's arrest. Now,
01:03:00
well, I would just on this theory, my gut feeling is, look, I mean, uh no parent, that's the you know, one
01:03:08
of the worst you know, other than your child passing away, the the second worst thing would be,
01:03:15
right, your child committing some some heinous crime like this. So, the fact that the father isn't coming forward and
01:03:21
saying, "Look, I I believe my son was responsible for this murder." Uh that holds a lot of weight with me. And thank
01:03:28
you for saying that because that reminded me the the vibe I got, what I read was that the
01:03:34
the father, not only did the the uncle suspect this guy, but the father backed it up as well as the the man's mother
01:03:42
firmly believed that he was involved in the the murder of Father Koons. Um now, more about this Matt Abbott who has
01:03:50
covered this case extensively, and this is a more recent article that he has written regarding the death of Father
01:03:56
Koons. Um he says and it it's it's it's a very long article, and the juicy stuff is at
01:04:04
the end. So, I'll read I'll read the end of that article, and it says, "Now for that interesting bit of information
01:04:11
pertaining to the murder investigation." He states that once again, he was contacted by somebody. This is a private
01:04:17
investigator had informed him that the prime suspect was a man who was known to Father Koons.
01:04:25
Apparently, this man was having more than a platonic relationship with another man who was also known to Father
01:04:31
Koons. The second man reportedly had some sexually suggestive photos of the suspect in his bedroom according to the
01:04:41
investigator. The simplest explanation is usually the best one, the investigator told Matt Abbott and
01:04:49
stating that maybe Father Koons caught the two together or saw a photo that was compromising. Maybe the man had
01:04:55
confessed to Father Koons about their homosexual relationship. Probably no one will ever know which one
01:05:03
of those is is is true, but he says, you know, all of the circumstances, you know,
01:05:10
even without the possible motive pointing primarily at the suspect, unfortunately this primarily does not
01:05:17
translate to anything beyond reasonable doubt. Um Basically, he he's stating that this
01:05:26
this guy went out and killed Father Coons because he was aware of this relationship that he was having with
01:05:31
another man. And this private investigator does he believes that the police did their job that they did their
01:05:38
due diligence. He thinks what has really really put this investigation on its side was that the the man he was having
01:05:47
a relationship with was not very forthcoming with information and may have even lied to the police early on in
01:05:54
this investigation. All right, so that's None of what you just said is that clear. So, the guy that murdered Father
01:06:03
Coons was actually having a affair with another man. I don't know if he was having an affair,
01:06:10
but he was having according to this article in this investigation a relationship.
01:06:14
He was having a homosexual relationship with another man. Father Coons knew about this homosexual
01:06:19
relationship, he had to murder him. That doesn't seem like that. That's according to this investigator
01:06:25
and the article written by Matt Abbott. Right. That Yeah, I don't like this theory that much at all.
01:06:33
Now, police did state that there was an anonymous letter that was sent to the police
01:06:39
years ago in this investigation that did name a suspect for them. Later, police were able to identify who
01:06:48
this anonymous person is. Now, they've not outwardly said who the anonymous person was. They've also not stated who
01:06:56
the was implicated in the letter that was sent to them. All right, so where did this investigation lead them? Well,
01:07:04
the thing here is I wonder if that's where this in this private investigator came up with this whole theory about the
01:07:10
two men having a relationship that one of them would have moved out of town, one of them remained in town, and maybe
01:07:16
the the the one that remained in town knew what was going on, lied to the police early in the investigation, felt
01:07:23
bad, felt guilty, knows who killed the father, killed the priest, and sent this anonymous letter. That's my That's a
01:07:30
suspicion. That's a bit of a leap. I understand that, Captain. It's a little bit of a leap. Mhm. Um but by 2009,
01:07:37
investigators with the Dane County Sheriff's Department um were willing to state that they did have a long-time
01:07:43
suspect. They would not name who this uh suspect was and said that um has never been named. Um they've not arrested this
01:07:51
person because they have lack of sufficient sufficient evidence to do so. Um Steve Gilmore, he was the lieutenant
01:08:00
of detectives with the department, said that the suspect left town soon after Father Kunz's murder.
01:08:07
Um he said that they know where this person is. They know that they They know what he's up
01:08:14
to. Apparently, they're they're watching him um or have watched kept an eye on him.
01:08:19
They state that if indeed he had committed this murder, then he stayed pretty clean. You know, he's not gone
01:08:26
out there wherever he's located and committed other crimes. And they also state that they certainly don't think
01:08:32
that there's any threat to the public out there. Uh Yeah, I laughed about that as well.
01:08:39
god. Wow. Hey, dummies, wake up. Killed a priest. Right? Right. This suspect that you believe is a
01:08:47
suspect, if he's actually somewhat of a suspect, he killed a priest because he was having having a
01:08:55
relationship with another man. Well, that's if those two were actually tied together. That was me me making
01:09:00
that leap, but I know what you're getting at here, Captain. If somebody's capable of killing a priest once, I
01:09:05
think they will Slit in their throat. I think they always remain a threat to the public. It but as much as we as much
01:09:13
as we want to get upset about that statement that Gilmore made to the the newspaper,
01:09:19
the thing here is though, it doesn't matter because what can they do? If they don't have evidence, they can't arrest
01:09:24
the guy and and ensure the public that he's not going to harm anybody else. They're kind of left with their hands
01:09:30
tied. So, what Gilmore basically is stating that as of, you know, this was in 2009 article. However, he states in
01:09:39
this article that as of 2008, that suspect was alive. Um he was under surveillance
01:09:47
by somebody. Yeah, I'm sure he is. And he was no longer living in the Dane County uh jurisdiction. All right. Well,
01:09:56
that's um you know, It does leave a little sour taste in your mouth. I'm drinking beer. There's no There's no
01:10:02
There's no sour taste in this There I got a little taste of honey. Didn't you hear the man talk about this
01:10:08
delicious beer? So, does any of that lead you to to any direction in this case where
01:10:15
where you feel that you have a better idea or better sense of who committed this crime?
01:10:21
No, cuz originally looking into this, my gut feeling and and probably because I just
01:10:26
watched Spotlight, my my my original gut feeling was, you know, Father Martin talking about uh possibly some kind of
01:10:34
inner workings of the church and trying to cover it, you know, system covering up system. That's kind of where my gut
01:10:39
feeling was going, but like you said, we read into this. When you have um a child that you believe uh had the
01:10:46
capability of doing this, roughed up his grandfather, had all these vicious attacks, uh kidnappings on women,
01:10:54
um uses the same verbage when he talks about roughing he had to rough up the father. Right.
01:11:01
Father Coons that is and and so now you got a uncle, a father, and a mother all stating that this person they believe
01:11:09
should be the number one suspect. There might not be evidence to prove that. Right.
01:11:14
So, that you know, kind of ties law enforcement's hands. So, but you know, then they toss in this other
01:11:22
person and I don't want Okay, their remarks on he you know, he's not a a threat to society. Well, that that is
01:11:29
just [ __ ] You know, uh and um they should be reprimanded somehow for just that dumbass comment.
01:11:38
But but how would you repre I thought about this quite a bit. Just spank them in front of people. Just
01:11:43
spank them. I don't think they can do that. Well, it depends on but here but the saying is is
01:11:48
then but again, if there's not enough evidence to link, you know, the the one suspect. Uh
01:11:56
what was his name again? The that was the Joseph Joseph Cavanaugh the Yeah, the Cavanaugh. that committed
01:12:03
suicide? Yeah, if there's not enough evidence to link him or maybe they did look into that and
01:12:11
they just don't think he's the guy because they have enough information on this other suspect. Uh that that's
01:12:18
that's the only thing there that make you know, kind of makes me question. Again, mom, father, uncle verbage, his
01:12:25
attacks before the suicide, all those things that you know, that's your number one suspect.
01:12:31
Mhm. But I don't want to discredit law enforcement if they go, "We got this other guy
01:12:36
and we'd like to get him." Right. Yeah, I've I'm with you, Captain. I think I the one thing I think I rule out
01:12:43
here is the Satanist aspect. Never rule that out. that I think that one seems less likely
01:12:50
the more you get into this situation and you see that it is very likely that um that Father Koons had some type of
01:12:58
personal relationship with the person that committed this crime. Whether it be just somebody that attended his church,
01:13:05
I think it was a familiar face that knocked on the door that night and he opened up the door to the to his killer.
01:13:13
Um and I think that's how the Yeah, but you can't rule out, you know, somebody part of the clergy, so
01:13:20
um that's all I'm saying. Um but I again, I think it's somebody somebody that the father recognized that
01:13:28
night and I think he let them into the building. Now, there was a priest that recently wrote um the killer of Father
01:13:35
Koons still walks among us. Uh no one can be certain if this vis- vicious killer has or will strike again. Until
01:13:43
the murder of Father Koons is arrested and convicted, an individual possessed by evil walks among us, assured that at
01:13:51
at least once he has successfully murdered a man of God and gone unpunished. Until this crime is solved,
01:13:59
those who hate God and his people know that it is possible to kill and get away with murder. Um anybody having any
01:14:07
information regarding the murder of Father Koons uh should call the Dane County Sheriff's Office at 608-284-6871.
01:14:19
And I really hope they do get more information and and have the closure of this case cuz one of the things that I
01:14:25
applaud um Alfred Father Alfred Koons for doing was to look at his own Mhm. and to see that there was a problem
01:14:33
within um the inner workings of of the church. Right. And something that he fully believed in.
01:14:41
I mean, he committed his life to the church, he committed his life to a community. So, whether or not you're
01:14:47
religious or not, um anybody that I think commits themselves to a community and lifting up people and doing good
01:14:54
instead of harm, I applaud those people, but I also applaud the fact that he saw
01:14:59
that there are um evil demons within the church preying on kids and that he was doing some research and at least um
01:15:08
diving into it and not turning a blind eye as so many have. Well, so I applaud him for that. Yep. Uh
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