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Sheriff Tobe lessenby in the Delphi murder investigation we now reached the point where we are discussing what they
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are calling the communication portion of the questions submitted to the good Sheriff the question here is the lack of
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communication on the part of your department and law enforcement is a significant concern for many individuals
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the exception seems to be the families of the victims why do you think this is the case Sheriff Lazenby says I
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respectfully disagree with this statement as I have said since the beginning much of what we protect and
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keep close to the vest is preserved for the courtroom and trial to release too much information would in my opinion
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potentially taint a jury before a trial even begins and as most know the double jeopardy Clause exist in the U.S
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Constitution which means in short the prosecutor only has one chance at Prosecuting this case I feel as Sheriff
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I have been very open and accessible at least to mainstream media and answered most questions reasonably well a couple
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things there one when they try this case and they will one day they're going to seek the death penalty period and that's
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even harder to get a conviction when you seek that that's what they'll seek that's what they'll get Indiana will
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execute this murderer the other reason that the public the public wants more information that doesn't mean that we
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deserve more information the people that do deserve more information is the family but again if you look at a lot of
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interviews from Kelsey it seems as if her grandparents have seen all the video footage listen to all the audio footage
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probably have seen more information than the public has been allowed to see yes what I have been told by Kelsey
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specifically and what I've seen other family members say in interviews or on record is that yes they have seen
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additional portions of the video and heard additional portions of the audio and there's nothing really on there is
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what what they have said what I find to be very interesting is toblesenby his answers really very similar well why
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haven't you released more of the video if you have it he doesn't say we don't have more video or audio he says there's
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nothing earth-shattering on there that would tell John Q public oh now I know who did this there's
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nothing that's going to move anybody in that way and take this a step further here Captain I have heard in one
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interview where lesabee said that there wasn't really any useful additional audio of bridge guy right in the
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recording well and they had one of the sheriffs on the down the hill documentaries say it's not a super
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lengthy video that they have the general consensus seems to be what about two and
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a half minutes potentially of video and or audio Yeah I think there's a bunch of
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different rumors there but I think the thing too for the public at first law enforcement releases one photo which is
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from a video and then they go hey let's let's add a little bit to that then they
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give you a little bit more after a time period of nobody coming forward and saying a hundred percent for certainty
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that that's the guy and then they're able to lock up the guy with those pictures if there was a better image
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they would have released the better image correct that's probably the best image that they have and I want to take
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this a step further here Captain another thing that has been said so the most common questions that I see recycled
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time and time again to law enforcement is why haven't you released additional audio and or video if it does in fact
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exist and why have you not disclosed the cause of death the manner of of death in
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this investigation to hit on that second one they have outwardly said and I agree
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with this 100 percent they say that the manner of death would not help anybody in the public again say oh I now know
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who did this I now can submit a tip because I know how they were killed right that has to be true I I backed
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that up 100 does the prosecutor rely on you to determine what information is given to the public or does he make that
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decision independently and hear tobelesby is going to point out that they are both elected officials they are
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both held to a different set of rules so they both act accordingly inside those set of rules so he's saying
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no the prosecutor doesn't tell me what I can or cannot say and no I do not tell him what he can and cannot say the next
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question is there is a surging movement Across the Nation from professional investigators and others insisting the
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police release more details about the crime scene and the investigation not to mention the entirety of the video and
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audio found on Libby's phone why are you not releasing information and go on to reference text written by
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Searchers on the scene are now on the internet for everyone to see there is also dispatch audio from when
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the girls were found on the internet now given these facts how can you justify not releasing more information
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he's going to give the same answer here as we've seen before I respectfully disagree with this statement he's trying
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to protect the Integrity of their investigation reminding that because of Double Jeopardy the prosecutor has one
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shot at this thing question the prosecutor fought in court not to release the 911 tapes of the Flora fire
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and one he has publicly stated all release of information concerning the Delphi girls
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must go through him all murders are unsolved for four plus years National statistics state after
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one year that there is less than five percent chance of an arrest is Carroll County doing the
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right thing by guarding information after four years or are they endangering other children due to the prosecutor's
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office lack of experience based on your professional experience Gathering evidence again he's going to
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respectfully disagree with this statement as well they're not releasing more information for
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they don't want to potentially taint a jury before a trial even begins I found one thing to be quite
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interesting and rather clever and a bit sad one of the mothers of the victims said
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in the down the hill two-part special she said we all hear how bad and how difficult a case
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can be to solve after 48 Hours has expired now we have this case and it's been 48 months yeah we're between a rock
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and a hard place and I don't think any of us thought we would be sitting here having the same conversation of who is
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Bridge guy why do we not know what happened after 48 months I don't know if you picked up on this but lately in some
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of the interviews I've listened to and then with the documentary it seems like they're they're 100 percent confident
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that this individual is is a local well and I agree with that it but but it's a much longer answer than just that they
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say we believe he he lives in Delphi or was from Delphi he's you know a local or
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was local at one point or may work here so there's something there's a local aspect to this suspect
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and it could be something where he grew up in the area maybe he lived there for the first 20 years of his life and he's
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not been there the last several years or however old he is or yes he is a local or he works there I
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I believe that to be true for many reasons one I think that one thing that's very telling is Kelsey
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she's the sister of one of the victims and other family members of these two victims have said that there are people
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that live in Delphi that have never walked across that bridge there are people in Delphi that have
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never gone to those Trails there's people that don't even know that bridge exist correct so and I believe that that
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bridge was a big part of his strategy for for cornering as a trap I think we both
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believe that bridge was used as a trap and I think again moving look there's two different theories I think me and
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you have we butt heads a little bit on this I think you believe that the individual is part possibly at the
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cemetery and that he was leading them to the cemetery and maybe a struggle happened and he decided to or or he got
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angry and decided to murder him there I believe he moved them in that direction because he knew where Logan's house was
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and knew that in order to you know get them away from anybody that possibly could see him
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or them you would have to move them in that direction because if you move them in any other direction well one you're
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not going to take them back over the bridge and you're not going to move them in any other direction because there's
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property there and houses there yeah and one thing I think we can agree on for certain and where our theories kind of
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overlap is that all of those actions would be the same in both Theory where you're you're moving you've used the
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bridge as a strategy to Corner your victims whoever they would be and then you're moving your victim and
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or victims in a manner that you're going away from where you will be spotted where you would run into some trouble
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and so the bridge and all of that land private and otherwise on the other side of the bridge
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where the girls were killed was part of that strategy and for it to be part of the strategy this is knowledge that this
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man had prior to that day something he very likely thought about and considered when going about the business of that
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day moving on to the terrain portion of the questions Captain this question is there are many residents of the county
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that have never been on the trails describe the terrain of where the girls were found what is the most direct route
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out of the area they were found how long of a walk from where they entered to where they were found
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his answer is very similar to one of the state parks I'm guessing he's saying that's about how the the size of the
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place a lot of Hills brush trees Etc directly south of the morning Heights Cemetery but on private property I do
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not recall the specific distance okay so that must be where they were found that's his vague answer it's directly
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south of the morning Heights Cemetery but on private property I do not recall the specific distance here's where you
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can go from from the bridge entrance or exit however the end of the bridge the south end of the High Bridge is what it
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would be called to the crime scene or or where the bodies were found that's less
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than a quarter mile away from that where the bodies were found to the cemetery is roughly about a quarter
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mile away and this next question follows along that same the same thoughts that we're having and and sharing right now
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are in step with what we've been talking about Ron Logan has stated on news programs the only way to get to the site
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I guess the where the girls were found the murder scene is over difficult terrain and private property given the
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difficulty getting to where the bodies were found many believe the killer or killers were familiar with the area do
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you as a law enforcement officer believe that as well and his answer is very much
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so it is part of the reason why we continually feel it is a quote local or someone who was very familiar with the
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area well here's what I know for certain I I feel this a hundred percent in my bones this individual has a their own
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entrance and exit to the bridge or to that park again we differ on how they get there
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but this area that's how they enter and exit yes if a vehicle was used or was used in this crime
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I have a whole different set of ideas but one thing that is fascinating to me is if this person would have been able
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to arrive on scene by foot and leave the scene by foot there again you would have
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a whole lot less likelihood that there would be any other video from other sources on bridge guy
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and that might explain why we don't have any other footage from anywhere else of bridge guy
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leaving the scene or arriving on the scene I 100 believe he arrived and exited by foot and I also believe that's
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why there's zero eyewitness with as many people were at the park with the distance he would have had to cover go
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back through the actual entrance and exit of the park that somebody would have saw this individual and this
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individual would have had to be covered in blood that's what has proved to me that this individual showed up on foot
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and left on foot next question who organized the search teams on February 13th and February 14th how were
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individuals divided into teams and how were the search areas determined answer it was a combined effort involving a
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number of First Responders police Fire EMS and community volunteers divided mainly by their association with various
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entities firefighters went with firefighters and so forth and anybody that's listened to our show for a while
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will know from from cases that we've covered specifically with missing persons cases that a lot of the searches
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might be overseen by law enforcement or the sheriff's department but firefighters have a different skill set
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and a different set of techniques and they're very good at search and rescue that's what they do when your house is
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on fire right oftentimes we will see and have seen in many cases that we've covered that the fire department is
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usually a very big part in deciding the leadership of the search teams and the goals you know or how they're going to
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go about searching a particular area or where they do search so that question and answer makes a lot of sense what is
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not questioned and I've failed to put it on my questions but it's one thing that
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I asked Kelsey when I spoke with her and it's something that I've asked anybody that's gotten close to this case that's
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talked to the people in charge and I said did they require any kind of identification by the people that showed
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up to search on the 14th did did you take records of any of those people did you write down their names their
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addresses their phone number did you did you ask for identification before they signed up the search how
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organized was it and we know from other serial cases these guys returned to the area we talked about Amy mihalovic's
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case there's a guy that's a suspect right now because they believed that they saw his vehicle the day that her
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body was found months later after the abduction they believed they saw his vehicle
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passing through a four-way stop near the body recovery site and he had no reason to be there whatsoever right
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so that puts him on a whole different list of prioritized suspects and here I would not be shocked if Bridge guy
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returned to the scene to assist in the search efforts on the 14th if he was in fact that relaxed
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If he if if we can dump him in the category of any of these other monsters that we've discussed on the show it
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would not Shock me it would not surprise me if in fact he ended up on a search team on the 14th
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well on what we had we've learned from other cases like Stephen Avery that that crime scene or that location where
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they're looking for individuals was you know pretty contained and pretty small compared to a park
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and there's several people that showed up to those searches that never signed in and some of the people that were
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conducting the searches didn't sign in I think again 100 this individual was there on the 14th they knew what they
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did and they knew that by being there at the search that hey you you gotta you got a piece
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of uh clothing of mine or you got a cup with some DNA of mine on it well I can argue that away that I was at the search
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so of course you have an item from me that I left behind the next two sets of questions will really be based around
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the command center and the County Safety the safety of the residents in the county
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since it is an unsolved homicide case and I love this round of questioning because this is really the checks and
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balances portion the quality control portion you got to check in with these officials you know how many people does
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tobles and be answer to not many is the answer how many people does the prosecutor answer to not many but at the
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end of the day they're both elected officials the answer to the community as a whole
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so I love that we have this little bit of checks and balances I loved seeing the mother of one of the victims say in
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her interview you know there are days that I feel like I should drive over to the the police department the the
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sheriff's department and say okay guys what is it that we're doing today what on our investigation
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are we working on today are we working on anything because it's been four years so let's go
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through this quality control bit right here Captain the first question is why is the investigative team assuming there
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is one still at the city building why was it ever at the city building this is where they set up their Command Center
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and his answer says the main reason is space the county does not have a facility which adequately provides for
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what is needed for the investigation follow-up question who monitors and supervises the County investigators and
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how is that monitoring done are there written records of time spent on the investigation he says as Sheriff I am in
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charge of that responsibility but also our County investigators are professional and experienced I trust
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their abilities we talk frequently a lot of times daily granted there are days there's nothing new to discuss and yes
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records are kept next question is there there's still a team of investigators how many comprise that team and how
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often do they meet and his answer is yes two County detectives two Indiana state
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police detectives and from time to time outside detectives from other police agencies including the FBI a portion of
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the team meets almost daily but with technology meetings are not always in person obviously with covid some
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meetings have been by zoom and this is a question I have for you captain and I was wondering about this we're looking
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at this investigation and going okay well it's 48 months later it's four years later
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and a lot of people are going to judge the quality of the investigation based off of it's been this long and it's not
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solved should anybody out there be grading on a curve a little bit because because of
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covid because things have been shut down and because things have not been quote unquote normal
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for approximately a year now no I agree with it it's a murder it should be solved as soon as possible and for all
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we know they're doing everything in their power and all we can hope for is they're doing everything in their power
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to get solved immediately and just because other walks of life can't go and work
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as normal I don't see how covet or anything like that would have affected the investigation
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it may have delayed things a touch but but I don't see how it would really directly affect the the investigation
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well the way I think it's going to affect the investigation mainly is that the individual the local
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individual is not going to be out amongst people this individual I believe is nervous
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nervous about being caught if the Killer is stuck in their house and isolated then you're not going to have him slip
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up and say something that maybe makes somebody suspicious or you he might not he's not might not be around the person
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where he's he maybe he's telling his kids or telling somebody else's kids hey guys let's go over here and that's
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enough for somebody to go wait a second I've heard that voice before so that's what it's doing it's isolating
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the Killer by himself and there will be several follow-up questions to the questions we just went through as far as
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quality control and what's going on with the inner workings of the investigation
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and I'll kind of sum up his answers there uh he's basically saying look we have two County detectives that are
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working this case that this is their primary case that they work we got two on the team from our agency
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there's two from the Indiana State Police who oversees them well obviously I oversee my detectives Indiana State
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Police oversee their detectives they're asked is there an FBI agent stationed at
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the command center daily and the answer is no and he says but through technology
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it's not difficult to communicate with the FBI this is interesting is the command center secure how many
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people have keys to the command center outside of yourself the Indiana State Police two County detectives and the FBI
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who has access to that room and you can see why it's obvious why this is an important question he says the the
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people that have access to that room is anyone that is tied closely to the investigation
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then a follow-up question of given the command center is out outside of your jurisdiction how do you
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as a sheriff assure residents their information is well guarded and his answer is again those closely tied to
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the investigation know what a top priority the case is and that the information is safe
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foreign [Music] [Music] we're back cheers mates cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain cheers to all the
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good people out there listening in their garages now on to County Safety which has to be a concern anybody in the area
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that has a family trying to raise children we have this double homicide that's still unsolved four years later
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we have investigators telling us that we believe it's highly profitable that the
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offender is local he's somebody that could Yokel yeah a local Yokel that could uh go Loco and go
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out and do this again yeah here's our question former Delphi police chief Steve Mullen stated at the first press
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conference quote our people know what to do end quote after being asked if the community was in danger and what
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precautions should residents take parents of school-aged children were taken aback by this statement
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as the County's chief law enforcement officer our residents particularly young girls of Carroll County in danger given
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the unsolved murders of six young girls so anybody that's not familiar with the area that area has had in the past five
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years there's been six young girls in two incidents murdered and all of those cases are unsolved to
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this day yeah so his answer is comparing Carroll County to others jurisdictions in our annual statistics I feel Carroll
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County is one of the safest areas to live in I would much rather raise a family here than say a larger
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metropolitan area I think it's a fair answer I think it's a nice way of dancing around do you think this guy's going to
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kill again that that that that's really the question and should parents be concerned and I think this guy is scared
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I think they know he's scared I think he knows he's being watched and he knows that he slipped up a little
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bit and he hasn't been caught yet so he's just going I can't I can't slip up again
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well and we kicked around the idea and everybody comes back to this is this a serial killer is this someone who's
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killed before or is this someone that will kill again is it a serial killer or do they have the makings of being
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becoming a serial killer and I think if in fact they do if they do have the makings of becoming a serial killer and
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this was the first quote unquote event in what would be a series look there's a cooling off period
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between murders for these guys and maybe his image his likeness his voice being broadcast to everyone
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Nationwide has made this cooling off period extensive maybe it's the rest of his
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life but I I feel like if if this guy were going to act again had that audio in the video
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not come out right I think he would have already run the cycle of kill cool off start hunting
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again and kill again and that's again where we have to applaud our two victims our two Brave Little victims here that
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while they were not able to escape this man we have information on this guy that
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I believe has forced him to lie dormant and not act on urges that he very likely
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has yeah I completely agree the Carroll County and Delphi are small town USA yet
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there has been a significant number of violent deaths in the last four years including the double murder on State
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Route 29 where victims male and female were shot and burned a man was shot and killed near Deer Creek and a Delphi
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police officer was recently found dead for a county with under 20 000 people that is two plus murders per year with
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the majority being female according to National Data males make up 78 percent of all murder victims it appears the
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opposite in Carroll County are females at a higher risk for violence in Carroll County
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Mr Lazenby says in my professional opinion I would say no a lot of the situations again in my opinion are
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coincidental and here's a good question Captain they want to know in the professional opinion of the sheriff
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would he describe the deaths of the six females and again we're talking about the Flora case with the four young
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victims and the Delphi case with two female victims what he described these deaths as planned and he goes on to say
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no rather victims of circumstance or opportunity additionally Indiana State Police is the lead with the Flora
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investigation our agency is not actively involved in that investigation so to clear things up he's basically
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stating the the floor investigation we don't have anything to do with so right you're asking me to give my professional
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expert opinion on something that I'm not involved in based off of that we have to
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believe that his answer is in direct relation to the Delphi murders case exactly do you feel that these murders
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are planned that these deaths are planned and he says no rather victims of circumstance or opportunity it's a very
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interesting answer well I think that's that becomes a thing as we both believe the bridge was used as some for form of
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trap like this individual would go to this park and go to these areas and and it's happenstance if if a victim comes
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along great I'm not going to force it but I have my trap I have my idea of what I want to do in that context it's
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like well yeah the whole idea was planned and maybe the whole idea was fantasized about but the the individual
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never acted upon it because maybe he never had the opportune time and then the question becomes
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did this killer actually mean to kill them or was his intention something else and
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he lost control of the situation and lost control of himself and look if you're depending on your life and your
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livelihood by approaching these girls maybe by taking control of them in some manner
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and maybe one attacks you or fights back or whatever and you go well if they go to Cops
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and they say I was trying to sexually harass them or offer them money for sexual favors and they turn me in my
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life is over I think that becomes a question did this killer mean to kill them or was he reacting to their reaction to
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whatever he was trying or attempting to do right and that's fascinating what I think is
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very interesting though the the overlaps again where our theories overlap and and our strong feelings about the
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case overlap is again all centralized on the bridge itself that the bridge was part of this man's planned strategy now
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he says these are victims of circumstance or opportunity so then that means if I'm using this bridge to my benefit
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to my advantage over my would-be Victim or victims then I'm either waiting and sitting lying and wait waiting and
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watching looking for a potential victim and they present themselves they come to
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the area by themselves and then I strike or if I'm going to use the bridge I have to lure my victim here
00:35:30
if it's somebody that I planned or picked out I have to get them to this area so it's it's very interesting I
00:35:39
keep going back to the bridge because I think it's such a centralized part of this case and and really a big reason
00:35:45
why things went down where and how that they did that day in February yeah I think some of this is similar to like a
00:35:54
Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer where they go around their neighborhood looking in Windows fantasizing about killing and I
00:36:03
think this individual did the same thing with that Park but like I said I believe
00:36:07
this individual has their own entrance and exit so sometimes people didn't even know that he was there this next
00:36:15
question is a judge has now stepped down for personal indiscretions with a prostitute
00:36:22
The Prostitute stated the judge tracked her via the court system the same judge jailed Mr Logan this
00:36:30
would be Ron Logan who people familiar with the case will know his property is right near where the the girls were
00:36:37
found this same judge jailed Mr Logan for probation violation shortly after the killings and called him a danger to
00:36:44
the community now four years later the judge has resigned the prosecutor has resigned and
00:36:51
no killer is behind bars conversely Mr Logan has been Cooperative with law enforcement he was visibly
00:36:58
shaken by the bodies being on his property and he openly allowed law enforcement and media on his property in
00:37:06
your professional opinion was Mr Logan targeted by the prosecutor or law enforcement and or judge
00:37:13
and our answer is no it may have appeared to be that way but a lot of it dealt with timing on the part of the
00:37:21
court system and when Mr Logan's case was handled look that may be true and I have no reason at all to not agree or to
00:37:32
not believe what the sheriff is saying and in fact I applaud the sheriff for taking the time to answer these
00:37:40
questions I think that he wants to be potentially even more transparent than than they have
00:37:47
and I think because you have multiple agencies working together that maybe he's not said as much as he would like
00:37:55
to put out there but he's being a team player so I have no reason to not believe Mr Lazenby but
00:38:02
I get what he's saying that it was just kind of coincidental on the timing of everything that they were working with
00:38:08
with Mr Ron Logan but at the same time I don't think that any of this stuff would
00:38:13
have been Amplified or magnified about Ron Logan's actions that day until the because this all came about
00:38:23
because those bodies were found and of course he needs to be looked at they're found on his property then they
00:38:30
very quickly figure out well he violated some some of his uh probation rules right on this day you know he he was uh
00:38:40
he drove to the dump which does not appear I don't know if that was part of his parole violation but he's not to be
00:38:47
drinking and driving and he was at a bar either the night before or the or the day that they were found or I'm sorry
00:38:54
the day that they went missing more importantly he was at a bar and that's a big No-No for Mr Logan and they did they
00:39:03
went after him pretty hard for all of that so I think that in this situation Captain Sheriff Lazenby can only answer
00:39:11
for his actions where he's being asked a question that involves a judge and a prosecutor as well and what went down
00:39:20
with Ron Logan might be more of their actions than the sheriffs well again another example of this is you put out
00:39:28
these sketches and people are going hey there's a sex offender in that area that kind of looks like this sketch
00:39:37
check him out and then they go and find out that the sex offender is not living where they're registered to be at a rest
00:39:44
will be made and the people will have to be punished for that it's just kind of you know it's it's just what happens and
00:39:53
I think in this case there's probably been a bunch of people that had nothing to do with this crime but now are locked
00:40:00
up or charges were brought against them because they weren't doing what they were supposed to do with their life the
00:40:06
next question is how many total tips have been received how many this year how many this month and his answer is
00:40:14
going to be vague but I think we can put in our own little work here and figure this out he says total throughout the
00:40:21
investigation is approximately five fifty thousand total throughout this investigation is approximately fifty
00:40:28
thousand so he's not giving an answer on how many tips have been submitted this year or this month he's just giving a
00:40:35
total number for the four years altogether I believe that it was in February or March of 2020 that it was
00:40:46
reported that they had received 43 000 tips roughly 43 000 tips at that time so you do the math get out the old Abacus
00:40:55
count it up on your fingers and toes it would appear that seven thousand roughly
00:41:01
would be in the last year the last 365 days so that's still a good amount of tips if if my math is in fact correct
00:41:10
there Captain yeah it's because this community wants to see this case solved when a tip comes in take us through the
00:41:16
step-by-step process of how that tip is processed by the tip line operator to how it is distributed to the
00:41:23
investigators please describe what tipsters are told and the follow-up and his answer is tips which come into the
00:41:31
system are entered into a database each tip is then reviewed by investigators and prioritized email tips receive an
00:41:40
automated response if investigators need additional information from a tipster they contact that individual directly
00:41:48
this is something we've talked about before plenty of times on the show I've had people complain to me directly about
00:41:55
other cases not Delphi specifically but other cases where they say I've submitted a tip to law enforcement
00:42:02
that was a year ago I've never heard back from them that's not their job they're not going to get back to you and
00:42:08
say all right uh Colonel this is what we did with your tip buddy yeah you don't submit a tip and then become a visor
00:42:16
right on on the case I I submitted a tip so now do I get a B on the grand jury now it does doesn't work that way now of
00:42:26
course there are agencies that are lazy and then there are other agencies that just do their due diligence and go above
00:42:33
and beyond and work their butts off and get get things solved but nine times out of ten if not even
00:42:40
greater percentage than that you're not getting a call back or any type of follow-up unless they need more
00:42:47
information from you right normally whatever you give them if it's substantial they'll be able to
00:42:55
confirm or deny your request pretty quickly that's correct what I wish they would work harder on is like we've said
00:43:03
this a step in the right direction you can't sit there and tell me that the profile is too close to the chest where
00:43:11
you can't share the profile I think that's what we should do we should get behind first our movement of
00:43:18
stop Global winding but also specific to this case let's well it's not and stop sniffing butts let's amp up this idea of
00:43:29
hey if you got a profile which they should I mean they're they've worked on this case for four years
00:43:35
if you've got a profile let's release that to the public let's put that out there I I think it's
00:43:41
well overdue for that fact next question you stated in last week's article the additional audio recording on Libby's
00:43:49
cell phone would not be released but it has been stated by the HLN interviewer that in fact an additional two minutes
00:43:59
of recording was shared with the family how can you justify this okay so what they're referencing here
00:44:06
you stated in last week's article they received so many questions that were sent into the Carroll County comment for
00:44:14
Sheriff lessenby that they actually had to run it back to back weeks because they had so many questions they gave
00:44:22
them to the sheriff and he said you know what I'll open this up to a second round
00:44:26
of of questions this goes back to exactly what we were talking about before we all know that there's
00:44:32
additional audio we know that from what the family members have said throughout this whole four years
00:44:39
it's just it doesn't appear that any of that is of of any value to finding Bridge guy somebody cleaned up the audio
00:44:47
maybe it was the FBI maybe they had to have a local technician do it they probably heard the
00:44:53
extra audio I don't think there's any Monumental thing that we're going to learn from the extra audio we're going
00:45:00
to learn more from a profile being released than anything and I really I'm going to keep harping on this
00:45:07
but I think they should have released it because every profile I've seen from ex-fbi or
00:45:15
or other individuals involved in this case as far as like when they're being interviewed and they go well I think the
00:45:22
individual is this or blah blah blah if you put all that together there's a profile and we would have learned like I
00:45:29
said so much more from that profile than maybe even the sketch and I think they believe that this individual is not a
00:45:37
criminal has not been in the system and that's why look everybody like I said anytime
00:45:44
there was a murder that took place or or there was a registered sex offender or a
00:45:50
rapist or whoever the whole True Crime World went oh that must be Bridge guy mm-hmm and so I think
00:45:57
we've all been looking for a criminal the whole time and I don't think this individual is or he's someone that has
00:46:04
the ability to commit crimes and go undetected well I mean here's just a couple of things that I gathered from
00:46:11
these interviews crime was sexual is about power and control this individual was calm maybe so calm that they're like
00:46:20
a social path he's local the bridge was a trap he is normal he's not threatening he probably has a good
00:46:29
job probably makes more money than the average individual in Delphi he's probably married has kids BTK
00:46:37
killer-like I mean that's that's a lot of stuff and or Golden State killer I mean you could
00:46:46
the list goes on and on and on of these these monsters that are able to live in different compartments live double lives
00:46:54
right and go undetected and may even be seen as an upstanding citizen in the community oh yeah that's a couple other
00:47:02
things uh this individual is somebody that nobody would believe is capable of a crime like this this individual is
00:47:10
connected to a church similar to like BTK well along those same lines Captain here we are again right in step with the
00:47:19
the questions that were provided and the answers that Sheriff lessenby gave to those questions it says does a database
00:47:28
exist that contains Carroll County violent crime data if so how can the public access this this goes to the idea
00:47:37
that this would be some guy that is out committing crimes and we're aware that he's doing them that he's on a list
00:47:42
somewhere in a database and Sheriff lessenby's answer is obviously we have extensive records of each jail booking
00:47:50
which reflect each individual's particular arrest violation it can be publicly accessed but the
00:47:58
request must be specific to a person or their alleged arrest violation slash crime
00:48:05
meaning you can't just get on there and go I'm looking for somebody who did something Despicable out in the woods
00:48:10
somewhere and then you get a boom a list of people and you can go well Bridge guy might be
00:48:15
on this list somewhere no you need to be researching and looking up a specific person and or their alleged arrest
00:48:24
violation and crime what sorts of information do investigators continue to look at for this case I love this answer
00:48:32
it's very vague but I think it's on point his answer is several aspects specifically associated with February 13
00:48:42
2017 meaning that day is by far the most important day to these investigators that know so much
00:48:53
more than we do right than any other day as far as they're concerned that means the day that the bodies were found the
00:49:01
day before when they went missing is more important the day that so and so was arrested four counties over for a
00:49:09
sexual homicide no February 13 2017 is more important than that day more important than any day in any other
00:49:16
suspect that came about via the public or the internet they know that the one piece remember
00:49:24
they're still looking for that one piece they say we will know what that one piece is we'll be able to identify it as
00:49:30
soon as it's presented to us or we we find it ourselves they know that the one piece they're looking for is going to be
00:49:37
some information that is based off of something that happened on February 13 2017. yeah it could be something as
00:49:45
small as putting a certain person in a certain area at a certain time yeah and maybe what they're getting at
00:49:53
with that is does this person have some kind of Alibi that they don't believe is
00:49:58
a good Alibi correct is this someone that was traveling on that day the thing that's that's very interesting and one
00:50:05
thing that we have to remind ourselves it's very easy to to get very confused and to get torn apart by all this
00:50:13
different stuff going on the minutia of this case of things that that have been presented that probably have nothing to
00:50:19
do with the solution to this investigation right you gotta look at the very Bare Bones of
00:50:27
it and remind yourself of one simple fact okay we know that the Snapchat picture
00:50:34
of the girls going across the bridge was posted a little after 2 p.m that day and then we have law enforcement on
00:50:42
record stating that we have strong reason to believe or almost at times talking about
00:50:49
it like it's a fact that everything was over with said and done at 3 30 PM so we know this dude
00:50:58
Bridge guy was unaccounted for for that hour and a half two o'clock to 3 30. where was he
00:51:07
if you got somebody that you suspect and he wasn't at work at that time I don't care if he got off work at 1 45. I don't
00:51:14
care if you saw him at 3 15 and he was clean as a whistle this guy was unaccounted for for that hour and a half
00:51:22
we know that to be fact and I think that's really what they're honing in on and in a roundabout way
00:51:30
maybe reminding the public of that as well yeah the colonel getting heated up next question do the investigators
00:51:37
follow tips from social media this is interesting one person a Sean Harmon posted that his father and son were
00:51:47
connected to the homicides and I gotta be fully honest here Captain right I don't know who Sean Harmon is but he's
00:51:54
he's listed in this article here yeah he's a guy that came forward and said hey my I believe my father and my son
00:52:02
had something to do with this and if you look at his father he looks like Bridge
00:52:07
guy number one the first sketch his son looks like Bridge guy number two the second sketch yeah and and his I believe
00:52:15
his son was a part of the military for a while so it's a weird thing to try to throw your dad and your son under the
00:52:23
bus at the same time and then you're named publicly as having done that yeah and so what they want to know was this
00:52:30
tip investigated fully and Sheriff Lazenby says the simple response is yes information which is felt to be
00:52:38
legitimate to the investigation is followed into this is not the arena for speaking to a particular inquiry or tip
00:52:47
but he's saying look if we find something on social media that we find of interest to
00:52:54
the case we'll investigate it if something's presented to us that came from social media that we think is
00:53:00
important to the investigation we follow up on it makes sense and then another follow-up question to what we're really
00:53:07
pounding on the desk for is there a profile of the killer or killers and his answer is it has been discussed with
00:53:15
experts so again I think we just need to Echo the idea of its time to to Really strongly consider releasing that profile
00:53:24
to the public now Sheriff lesson B again I want to applaud him for taking up his
00:53:30
valuable time to answer the questions of the community I think it shows his dedication to the
00:53:37
investigation and shows his dedication to the the community that he serves and to the community that his Department
00:53:45
serves he does offer up a final comment that says it has been intriguing and thought-provoking to be able to engage
00:53:53
in these presented questions the past two weeks I realize not all agree with my responses however I have received
00:54:01
responses of the affirmative aspect too as Sheriff the utmost importance in my opinion is the Integrity of the
00:54:10
investigation the only way we will resolve to gain Justice for Abby and Libby for their respective families and
00:54:17
our caring Community is to remain dedicated to the preservation of said Integrity I believe we wholeheartedly
00:54:24
owe that to these two wonderful young ladies all right colonel or should I call you Billy
00:54:33
billy goat what are your thoughts on this case four years later I'm losing optimism
00:54:40
and I've done this in other cases as well and it doesn't take me much to get back on board
00:54:47
but I'm losing optimism I understand that tips have still come in I estimate 7 000 in the last 365 days
00:54:57
I question the quality of those tips we have 50 000 overall in the investigation I think there's probably a
00:55:05
lot of fluff in there that unfortunately investigators have had to sift through I do not say that to try to deter
00:55:14
anybody from reaching out to law enforcement or providing a tip I want to be clear about that I'm I'm standing at
00:55:20
the top of the mountain and shouting it as loud as I can if you see something say something if
00:55:26
you know something tell law enforcement because I do believe 100 they are in fact just that one piece away I did like
00:55:35
hearing the sheriff say look that one piece what is it well our trained experts will know
00:55:45
it's not something that will that will go be lost on us in the moment this is something that we will know right away
00:55:54
I also believe what I've said for the past year year and a half maybe even two years I
00:56:01
had said at one point that I was very optimistic believing that the case would have been solved by the end of that year
00:56:07
and I believe I said that in 2020 but I'm losing optimism in that way and a large part of it is going back to
00:56:17
something I've said all along I believe for whatever reason Bridge guy had help that day or since then
00:56:25
and this has been a huge speed bump in the case it may have even sent detectives and
00:56:34
investigators looking elsewhere I think that someone is either willingly or unknowingly providing some type of false
00:56:43
Alibi for bridge guy and his whereabouts between I would say noon and 5 p.m if you got a guy that you suspect or you
00:56:55
think is capable of this let's underline that capable of this because there's very few people capable of something
00:57:03
like this if you don't know where he was between noon and five and he's he's a local
00:57:09
or has reason to have been in the Delphi area on February 13th right give that name to law enforcement that's
00:57:19
how they're going to find their answer what about what are your thoughts four years later
00:57:23
I think you're exactly right I have somebody that I think is a suspect I think their wife is their Alibi I think
00:57:31
she's lied about The Alibi I think she has pieces of information that prove possibly where they were to prove their
00:57:40
Alibi I think that's what's holding up law enforcement I think she's lying about that I think it's easily provable
00:57:46
that she is lying about it I believe that she has stated to people that so glad we have an alibi so we don't become
00:57:55
suspects I believe this is an individual that has a which is a bizarre thing to say normal people don't say I'm glad
00:58:03
that we have a timeline of our whereabouts so we're not suspects and the fact of the matter is I know that
00:58:09
she's lying I have confirmation that she's lying about your guys's whereabouts I think this individual
00:58:17
makes good money nobody would expect that he would do this he's connected to his church
00:58:24
he has kids possibly grandkids I think he's older than what they're claiming the suspect is and the drawing I think
00:58:33
they said 17 to 40. I think he was older I think he was late 40s but such a young
00:58:40
face that he could look probably the late 30s and I think he's local he entered on foot exit on foot he knows
00:58:50
the area he knows all the properties around there that's the direction he goes to enter the park
00:58:58
he uses that bridge when he enters the park and I think he was able to get to a place of safety without being
00:59:09
detected being covered in blood and to be able to get to a facility where he could
00:59:16
get rid of all the evidence all his clothes I think again he makes more money than the average person in Delphi
00:59:23
his house is worth anywhere from five to six times more than the average house average property
00:59:30
in Delphi again I think this is an individual that nobody around him thinks he's even capable of this
00:59:38
but I think this is about it's a crime of sexual nature power control he remained calm I think this individual
00:59:47
is very smart he's very intelligent Beyond College graduate school again leader of a
00:59:56
company this is his second career already had a career this is his second career I believe Maybe
01:00:05
there's somebody in his Circle that suspects him and if you do call pick up the phone
01:00:13
and just say look I I know this guy and and I I suspect him I also believe that this person claimed at one point that
01:00:21
they're going to leave the area due to it not being safe and maybe they've even lied about selling property
01:00:29
or leaving the area and anyone out there scratching their heads right now going well how would
01:00:34
this person be respected in the community how would this guy not be known how how do we not know the people that know
01:00:44
this man the best how do they not suspect him well keep in mind Dennis Raider BTK
01:00:50
volunteered at his church for years and he used the church's property to carry out at least one of his murders
01:01:01
nobody in the church knew this guy was capable of doing what he did what we now know for a fact that Dennis Rader
01:01:09
did and he did it time and time again in this case in Delphi the one thing that I am most confident
01:01:18
about and what can be what puts this monster into a different category than someone
01:01:26
that just goes out and commits a crime of passion or some dumb criminal that does a crime
01:01:36
on impulse is I think a big reason why he seems so calm on that day so relaxed and you almost hear it in his
01:01:46
tone is because he has fantasized about aspects of this crime for years he's thought about it for years and he was
01:01:57
acting on those fantasies when he went out there on February 13th I would not be surprised if he was acting on those
01:02:06
same fantasies at an earlier date while he sat there watching and waiting looking for what he would determine to
01:02:15
be the perfect victim and for whatever reason he acted on February 13th but the one thing we we do know that he
01:02:25
has not done is he has not since told somebody else I'm the one that killed those two girls
01:02:32
I'm the bridge guy if he has told someone else the person that has received that information from this guy
01:02:40
has such a little heart and such a little soul maybe no soul at all that they've not reported that to anyone
01:02:50
I think this individual when they released the new drawing the new sketch that they eased up a
01:02:58
little bit and went they're further away from me than I think they are but look the Stampede is coming your flood
01:03:09
is coming and they're not going to let you on to Noah's Ark they're going to catch you
01:03:15
and you'll probably crumble like a baby and tell them anything and everything they want to know
01:03:22
to try to spare your own life what you deserve is death that's what you deserve and your flood is coming my friend
01:03:32
and I hope they don't even give you the option to take that off the table I hope
01:03:36
they're holding so much close to their chest and not telling the public because when they get you
01:03:43
this is personal to them now and your day is coming your flood is coming [Music]
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