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a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] when we are little kids there are
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stories that the older kids tell us supposed real life terrifying stories handed down from teenagers to smaller
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children and then the small children get a little older and then they tell the same stories they once
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heard much of these are simply folklore and urban legends stories of an escaped violent
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mental patient stalking lovers Lanes with a hook for a hand or one I heard in my
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hometown about a certain Hill that if you park your car they're on a certain night the ghost of someone having died
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in a car accident many years earlier would throw your car down the hill into the treelined Ravine
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below killing you and later giving the appearance that you suffered the same car accident and
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death as the ghost so many years before this week's case is much like these urban legends in a sense that the
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story has been repeated for decades and like any good urban legend this is a cautionary tale about the
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horrific and tragic death you could have if you don't listen to your parents obey
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the rules or if you talk to strangers for kids growing up in parts of Wyoming in Oklahoma they heard
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stories of what could happen to you when you do talk to a strange man or accept a ride from someone you don't
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know you don't come back no one sees you alive again what was and remains different for
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those kids compared to other children in other neighborhoods when these kids grew up
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they learned the stories they were told about missing children and a killer Cowboy were
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real this week we discussed the Rollins Rodeo murders [Music] this case has several names but the one
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I find used most commonly is the Rollins Rodeo murders this case may have and may
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have are the key words to pay attention to here and that will become clear as we
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dive into this thing but this case may have or seems to have started in Rollins Wyoming back in the mid
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1970s now Captain a lot of people don't know how we go about our business behind
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closed doors here in the garage but about once a month you and I have a case scheduling meeting and I love these
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times that we spend together you come to the table with the cases that you have in your Arsenal and I have some cases in
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my backpack as well and we sit down and we discuss what cases should we cover for the next several weeks weeks and I
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got to give you Kudos my friend because you came up with this case and I find it
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to be extremely fascinating well you can thank the listeners yes most of our cases whether it be cases you bring to
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the table or that I bring the overwhelming majority of the cases that we cover are listener suggestions so
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we're very thankful to all of you out there for providing those to us and we receive a overwhelming number of these
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case suggestions yeah my list is over a thousand now so I kind of framed that in
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there at the beginning because coming up with this case I had never heard of this
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one and look there are obviously many cases I have never heard of but just like the boys on the tracks and the
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missing Fort Worth Trio cases that we covered of course all available on the very free very awesome Stitcher app
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these are cases that have fascinated me ones that I was not familiar with in cases that unless you were around in
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that area around the time of these cases you didn't know about them either and the Rollins Rodeo murders is exactly
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like the boys on the tracks in the Fort Worth Trio cases when you learn more about this you will be asking yourself
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why have I not heard of this one why is this case not more wellknown and I say not more wellknown be I found
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evidence to suggest that people even living in the area had not known about these cases the some of the locals
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around these Rodeo murder cases I found one post on Reddit where someone was saying they grew up in the area of
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one of these cases saying they didn't believe it was a true story until they got older and learned that in fact it
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was some thought it was just a fictionary cautionary tale told the kids you know don't get into cars with
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strangers like got urban legend yes so to get started let's go back to July 4th 1974 Independence Day in Rollins which
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is in carbon County Wyoming Rollins back in the mid '70s the population is less than 8,000 people and I've never been to
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Wyoming but the town of Rollins is in the southern portion of Wyoming in fact Carbon County is on the state's Southern
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border so touching the North Colorado border on July 4th 1974 the weather was pretty much average at least
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historically with a high of 84° 19-year-old carlen Brown and her good friend also 19 years old Christy
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gross visited the little Brites Rodeo that day in Rollins Wyoming later they were reported missing when both young
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women failed to return home very little information is available regarding the circumstances of their disappearances
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but neither are considered to have run away to start a new life somewhere else in fact according to the Charlie
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project.org website Carlene's case his classification is endangered missing and many believe she was murdered many years
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ago probably shortly after she was abducted authorities could only Trace back their whereabouts to the little
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Brites Rodeo as that was the last confirmed sightings of either woman after they disappeared the car they were
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traveling in was found abandoned in warland Wyoming so this is over 200 mil away
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North we will come back to this vehicle later trust me there's there's some issues with this vehicle
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authorities initially believed that both carlen and Christie left on their own leaving the rodeo on their own but the
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investigation as it began and carried on they started coming up with some other possibilities As Time passed and this
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was when no one had heard from either woman you know as the time was going on they thought at some point they might
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resurface but they never did according to the Charlie project website carlen Brown is missing from Rollins Wyoming
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since July 4th 1974 her date of birth is January 14th 1955 so she would have just recently
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celebrated her 64th birthday if she was alive today she was 19 years old when she was last seen she was approximately
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5T to 5' 3 in tall and weighed between 100 and 120 lb her distinguishing characteristics she is a Caucasian with
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brown hair brown eyes and she has Surgical stars on her big toes on both feet now regarding Christy gross her
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skeletal remains were found but this wasn't until over 9 years later there was no sign of carlen at the scene and
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as stated before she has never been seen or heard from again Christy gross had been killed by two heavy blows to the
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skull her body was found October 27th of 1983 3 Mi south of Sinclair Wyoming okay so for those of us not super
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familiar with the great state of Wyoming the two disappeared in Rollins and then their vehicle was found
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in warland Wyoming so roughly over 200 miles or so north of where they were last seen yeah then 9 years later
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Christy gross's body is found 3 miles south of Sinclair this is nowhere near where the vehicle was found in fact this
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is much closer to where authorities believe they may have been abducted from Rollins yes so Sinclair is roughly just
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seven to 10 miles east of Rollins so just three miles south of that is where the body was found right
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the information out there does not provide a great description of the state of the body although no one anywhere is
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saying anything like Christy was alive for years after her abduction so I'm guessing the state of the body would
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have been extremely decomposed so possibly they're abducted from the rodeo she is
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murdered 7 miles outside of the rodeo their car is found 200 miles from there mhm and possibly the other victim is
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murdered somewhere else or is still alive correct we also don't have a great description of where her body was found
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but we already said Rollins was a small town well Sinclair is significantly smaller than Rollins in fact I couldn't
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find any record that suggests sin CL ever even had a th000 people living there the description does say 3 Mi
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south of Sinclair and there are Open Fields Creeks plenty of Wide Open Spaces it looks like we have probably oil
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fields refineries pipelines that sort of thing so the Great Wide Open so what we
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have here is a small town and a mysterious disappearance of not one but two 19-year-old girls they went missing
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together the car is found and then not until 9 years later is Christie's body discovered but still to this day carlen
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has never been located so before we get too deep into some other stuff I have to
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mention a newspaper article I found from November 11th 1983 this is when they are announcing
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that they have identified the unidentified body that was found and that we now know to be the body of
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Christy gross according to this article they are interviewing deputy sheriff Jeff fosh and I don't know what to think
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of this I I truly don't as this one article completely contradicts some other information that I have found and
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that we have by this point in the story already covered before we get to the contradictions there are some somewhat
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more detailed information in this article Christy's body was identified using a partial dental records match so
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just a a partial match Jeff fosh says her death was caused by at least two blows to the head so maybe more now for
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the contradictions which I find this to be huge first this says the body was found a few miles north of Sinclair so
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exactly the opposite direction of what all of the other information States next and this is even more aggravating in
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this article Jeff fosh says a van that the women were driving was found at the fairgrounds well that's different
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completely different than all the information that is current that is out there we're talking about a car that was
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found 200 miles away he's referencing a van that they were driving found at the fairgrounds where they were last seen #
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vanan the van but also you just wonder is this just bad reporting or does fosh not have the
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right information right because we're talking about he's he's talking about a case that they find the body nine years
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later he's being interviewed because they just found the body he may be unclear as to what took place 9 years
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later and I say this frustrates me to no end and it's not so much that the information contradicts itself so much
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it's more so that I spent a hell of a long time trying to figure out which one was correct right and I couldn't
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determine so you're hearing both of them only one of them is correct we know that
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Janet fransen who has worked carlen Brown's case says quote let's be clear No One Believes Brown's case will have a
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happy ending we are pretty sure carlen Brown is a homicide case fransen worked for the national missing and
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unidentified person system namus for short and had this to say of her work and the cases that came with it quote a
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lot of these cases are homicides without bodies when they happened local law enforcement didn't have any idea what to
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do with it it wasn't that they were neglectful it's just they didn't have the kind of expertise Franson has worked
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very hard in her capacity to help close caren's case but there are complications francon says the problem
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is we can't find her family see carlen was adopted and investigators don't know the Identity or whereabouts of her birth
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family those records are gone her adoptive parents divorced prior to 1974 carlen lived in Rollins with her
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adopted father and brother at the time of her disappearance her adopted mother lived in Colorado
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carlen graduated from Rollins High School in 1973 today her adoptive mother father
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and brother are all now deceased Janet fransen keeps searching for any of carlen Brown's family that may be out
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there so that she can get DNA samples to build a profile so we have to think about this for a second here Captain the
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situation is this we have a missing woman who's been missing for a very long time should they find remains will they
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even be able to connect it back to carlen because we don't have a DNA profile of her now what I have found and
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this is in the records but once again I'm I'm Once Bitten and twice shy about this because we've already seen
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discrepancies in these records what I found is that regarding carlen Brown no fingerprints are on file for her but
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what is listed is that there are dental records on file right and I say that I say that with a little hesitation
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because we've seen other cases that state that there are dental records on file only to find out later that is not
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the case on Sunday August 4th 1974 14-year-old Deborah Ray Meer went missing Deborah actually lived in Red
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Lodge Montana at the time of her disappearance she and her family were visiting relatives in Rollins Wyoming on
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the day she went missing Deborah was last seen departing from a family members residence near the intersection
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of sth and Spruce streets she planned to walk to a local movie theater by what remains on the record these days there
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is not anything to suggest that she ever arrived at the movie theater then she never returned back to the home this
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area though seems difficult for me this is very much the downtown area and if in
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fact she was on foot during daytime hours there is something I think very fishy about her having last been seen in
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this area she likely traveled more on foot than where she was last seen okay uh probably traveled a
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little bit further than the last time she was seen But there are no witnesses there aren't any witnesses that saw her
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interacting with anyone or anyone snatching her up I mean depending on which direction she was walking there
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seems to be a lot of houses and businesses throughout that whole area you know our minds often will go
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immediately to a vehicle was used in an abduction at least my mind does you know
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and rightfully so because often that is the result what the result often shows yeah however in this particular story I
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wonder about the businesses and houses in the area this this case I wonder so much about because there is simply no
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good public information out there so that I have to question this myself we have a situation where a young girl goes
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on vacation with her family to visit other family members in this area and we don't really have any public record of
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this disappearance the only thing I could find was her parents stating that she was a good kid and she would have
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never run off but no description of anything that could have happened to her that day we don't even know roughly
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about what time of day she was last seen or by whom right we don't know how long
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until she was reported missing but we have a sighting of her going downtown that's that's what the information
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States and all we can gather is that it would appear that police were unable to find anyone at the movie theater that
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reported seeing her that day so she's 14 years old so roughly 14 19 victim's age
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would be similar in both cases M would be too far off and if she's 14 and looks 16 then it's even closer an age Deborah
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has almost no digital footprint and her case is almost an O by the way type case
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right just tacked on to these other cases according to an organization near and dear to my heart the national Center
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for missing and exploited children Deborah at the time of her disappearance was Caucasian with brown hair and eyes
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5'4 and weighing about 115 pounds so a very similar General description as Carly brown right according to findthe
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missing.org Facebook page Deborah has some distinctive features and they are as described she has a pencil eraser
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size growth on her left ear and she has a full set of Dentures her clothing and accessories worn on that day are listed
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as unknown her fingerprint information is not available her dental information and charting is not available but on the
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brighter side it does say that her DNA status samples submitted test complete so it looks like at least they have DNA
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on file wait go back to that you said full set of Dentures correct at at 14 correct well that's pretty strange so we
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have two 19-year-old females that go missing a month later in the same area yeah we have a 14-year-old go missing
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yes so you're talking about we have a similar description of two of the victims here same similar General
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description anyway we also have potential crimes of opportunity abductions of opportunity somebody spots
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these girls right uh these young women and decides to pounce well the 14-year-old would be walking and she was
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walking by herself from what little information is out there right and then you have the 19-year-olds they could be
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walking to their car we don't know where they would have been abducted from right well and here's the thing too
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you got to consider with the 19-year-olds the 1974 what if and I I'm not saying that
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that year plays much into it but just kind of WR what it sounded rolling through this in my own mind here uhhuh
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you have to wonder with the vehicle being found that's that's why it's so aggravating where the hell this vehicle
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was actually found because one thing I want wonder about in a crime of opportunity do we have someone saying
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hey could you give me a lift I mean that seems like the most plausible thing to me especially if you find the vehicle
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200 miles away a lot of hitchhikers yeah and they may have felt a sense of safety
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in numbers because there's two of them and maybe just one man or one young man or somebody asks for a ride hey could
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you give me a ride just two miles up the road sure no problem we're leaving anyway and then boom you're never seen
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again well and if we think of it in those terms then we'd have to look at the perpetrator being somebody that
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doesn't live in the area but possibly works in the area and so you could take like the rodeo there they normally have
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like at convention centers or whatever where people work there periodically so they might not live they might live
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pretty far away but they work in the area so I wonder also the day that the 14-year-old goes
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missing was there something in that town happening was there another Rodeo or or
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was there some show or play or whatever there could have been I mean these rodeos happen frequently in this area
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and you'll see that as we continue on through these cases but the there's some very difficult things here with with
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this case with with Deborah's case in particular for me um and you had asked me just briefly before we flip the mics
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back on do I think the cases these cases are connected well I think the time frame I mean we have one month to the
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day between the abductions so that plays a factor in in a in a pro for yes they're probably connected two you have
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the area we have a small area where these two abductions take place right so another another check in the yes box for
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are they connected I hesitate to say that they are connected because of this with Deborah's case there is no
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information out there and what I mean by that is as stated her digital footprint
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is extremely small if you find some information about her on the Charlie project or you know missing persons
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websites so on and so forth It's all pretty much the same information regurgitated over and over again and
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it's basically a short little paragraph where I find problems with her case is the lack of evidence the lack of
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information about this little girl okay so or the fact that she had a full mouth
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of Dentures okay well that's a strange it's it's Unique yes and we don't know why she had a full set of Dentures but
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here's what I question further if if she has Dentures why are there no dental records and and I know
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somebody's laughing right now going well this cuz she doesn't have any teeth well
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you would have some information you pay somebody paid for those Dentures right somewhere there's a record of those
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dentures and even even if it's in her home state of Montana why don't we have that information you know we're talking
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about could her remains have been found between when she went missing in current
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day possibly I don't know what it means to say that they have DNA test submitted
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and that they have something on file I don't know if if throughout the course of the years the decades that have gone
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by if certain remains were tested that were found what I'm getting at is the the problem I have here is look we have
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the one single statement by her parents that say she was a good kid she wouldn't
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have run off right I have a huge problem that there there's no damn information about this kid it's almost like she went
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out for a walk one day while on vacation with her parents she disappeared and it's almost like she never even existed
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but her parents weren't from the area correct they lived in Montana they were visiting relatives in Rollins Wyoming so
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I think that makes it difficult cuz we also don't know the financial status of her parents so they could have just not
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had enough money to stay in the area and keep looking for her and also during the
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70s with all the the the gas shortage and all that stuff maybe they just couldn't afford to keep traveling back
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and forth well I get that and and I'm I don't want to sound like I'm blaming the
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parents here because I think where my my anger should be directed is maybe there's just a lack of good record
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keeping right maybe that information was submitted but again I question this whole thing like we said Dentures were
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made no dental records on file seems strange seems fishy nobody gives a time of when this girl was last seen seems
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strange also what clothing was she wearing what articles accessories did she have on her person at that time we
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don't know it says unknown why would it be unknown how much stuff did she pack to go on this trip and you can't go even
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if you didn't see her I get it maybe you're busy hanging out with relatives that day you didn't actually physically
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see her leave the home and walk away but you can't go through the suitcase and go
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well it looks like this is missing and this is missing she probably had that on her that day well and again it's not
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like today and age where you can have somebody go missing let's say in Cleveland and then I live in Columbus
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well I can do a bunch of work on the internet to keep the story alive M or you know make some phone calls so again
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it's it's it's almost like this person disappeared but we don't even know anything about her other than that she
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had a full mouth of fake teeth at the age of 14 and two the the other very sad part of her short her very short story
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is I almost feel like if there weren't these other cases these other abductions right she she may have no record of her
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at all at this point very likely her parents have passed away I would love you know we even did a shout out this
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week to someone a great listener in Wyoming in the state of Wyoming I would love if somebody in the area has
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information or has old newspaper articles or something to expand her story more so that we can learn more
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about her possible disappearance right again it could be like some public records there might be a bunch of
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articles on this it just never made it online yeah all these decades later all these miles away way and here's the
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other thing too that's a little weird captain we do see this once in a while but it's not extremely common we have
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covered a lot of missing persons cases a lot of homicide cases but very few cases
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have we covered where a person a child is on vacation or visiting another state or or someplace else with their parents
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frustrated or angry until the second episode of a casee but while I'm voicing and venting my anger regarding the lack
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of personal information about a missing child right I do want to discuss something that we have mentioned before
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on the show but a quick reminder you can download the free FBI Child ID kit I recommend doing this it's an easy way to
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store your child's most current information God forbid you need it for a missing child situation Not only would
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along and hopefully that comes to help now we got to talk about another case Okay Captain this is August 23rd so
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we're talking Less Than 3 weeks later 10-year-old jayen Baker went to the Carbon County rodeo with a friend
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after the second performance the two got separated at the fairgrounds jayen was to return home by 10:30 p.m. when she
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did not her parents notified police at 11:00 p.m. and reported her missing jayen Baker was just 10 years old
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missing Flyers were printed and distributed this providing a brief description of the young girl standing 5
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ft tall with light brown hair brown eyes and she was last seen wearing an all navy color outfit it looks like
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authorities went all out on the search for her conducting door-to-door searches and even using two planes to assist in
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the search this took place on Saturday afternoon so less than 24 hours after she was noticeably gone also they did
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one of my favorite tactics when you have a missing child and no real leads ladies
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and gentlemen it's time for the old pervert Roundup police announced that the investigation included the holding
00:34:58
and questioning of sex offenders believed to have been in the area at the time but they were eventually all
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cleared authorities did announce publicly that they did not rule out the possibility of the child being kidnapped
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however no leads would indicate such that turned up in the early investigation by the Thursday after so
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just about a week after she went missing the authorities announced that any leads
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that local searches provided were followed but they went nowhere and now they were bringing in the FBI for fear
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that the girl may have been abducted and transported across the state line then 8
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months later on April 23rd 1975 a man out walking his dog discovered the partially nuded lifeless
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body of jayen Baker this was near the city's Gravel Pit about 2 miles west of Rollins Wyoming her body was found in
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the face down position she was wearing only tennis shoes socks and a t-shirt laboratory analysis of the
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girl's clothing failed to produce any evidence what they did learn is the cause of death was a head injury likely
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caused by a severe Blow To The Head the county sheriff went on record stating that he has no doubt in his mind that
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the girl died where she was found he said evidence at the scene told them so though he would not specify as to what
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that evidence was so even though we now know that two bodies of the missing girls would be eventually found the the
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thing to hone in on here before we venture further is that looking back at 1974 we had four missing girls in just 7
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weeks in Rollins Wyoming so closing out the year of 1974 they still had found any bodies yet it wasn't until eight
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months later that the first body was found and then the second body is found n years later four missing people in a
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small area in seven weeks is just I mean it's incredible well and the fact that three of the victims were last seen out
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a rodeo so that it's it's strange yeah and it that's what's troubling too is that okay we're talking about rodeos
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here there probably would have been a lot of people at both of those events yet we don't have any eyewitnesses
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saying that we saw any of these missing people speaking with somebody or at least anybody that was investig ated at
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the time then we have the young girl who was abducted very likely in a busy section of town in broad daylight right
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I still would like to know what was happening in that town the day she went missing yeah and so it's almost like do
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you have a person that is if it's one offender is it someone that is seeking out crimes of opportunity seeking out
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targets of opportunity taking themselves putting themselves in a situation where
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there's a lot of people there's a lot of potential victims to choose from at these rodeos and then do we have
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somebody that's driving around downtown looking for a potential victim or is it just something that this person stumbled
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upon throughout the course of their day it also seems like the victims have similar looks as well yeah lot a lot of
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even though you have a varying a age range here right you have they varying by not so much few years yeah so you
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have a similar height similar appearance Caucasian brown hair brown eyes right um
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regarding these cases though looking at them as if they were a hole being that they would be all
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connected it seems kind of very obvious to me you know you mentioned the rodeos those ones seem obviously to be likely
00:38:49
connected again I'm still out in left field regarding Deborah's disappearance as we know so little about that case now
00:38:59
are you ready to open up the floodgates Captain am I yes I'm the captain all right I don't like
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floods so we'll wait till next week okay all right but I do have to warn you you
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open you can open them up I do have to warn you before we move forward you might want to put on your raincoat
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because there's going to be some [ __ ] all right maybe I should put on my [ __ ]
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coat we are going to fast forward to September 26th 1981 and move our location to Oklahoma City Oklahoma so 7
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years after the for disappearances in Rollins and many miles Southeast of Rollins right 13-year-old Charlotte Jun
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Kenzie and 13-year-old Cinda Jean pallet attended the Oklahoma State Fair in Oklahoma City both girls were
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accompanied by their boyfriends they were dropped off at the fair around noon on that Saturday at about 5:00 p.m.
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Charlotte called her family and told her family that she and Cinda were offered a
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job by a Carney to help unload plush toys from a truck at the fair it was then that all four the two girls and two
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boys left with an unknown man right this guy was sporting a yellow identification
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workers badge now he took them to a truck stop off of I40 to meet the truck that they were going to unload right but
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the truck was not there it was nowhere to be found so the man then gave the boys the two boys $10 and told them to
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wait while he went to get the truck the man drove off with charlet and Cinda the
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two 13-year-old girls were waving out the back window of the car to the two boys as the vehicle drove off the two
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girls promised to call home again when it was time for them to be picked up from the fair but that call would never
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come but here we have something captain that we didn't have in the cases we have
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previously discussed here we have potential eyewitnesses the two boys right and these kids have some information to
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offer up to the investigators first the man had shown the kids an ID badge and the ID badge
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had the man's photo and name printed on it got him second before stopping off to
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as you know they were told to unload this truck the man stopped along the way and purchased two pairs of gloves and
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two rolls of duct tape and more importantly the two boys remembered the name on the ID badge it was Donald
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Michael Corey by Wednesday September 30th with the girl still nowhere to be found and Donald Michael Corey also
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nowhere to be found the police along with the FBI secured an arrest warrant for for Donald Michael Cory charging him
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with two counts of kidnapping and the teletypes were sent out to police stations throughout multiple States as
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The Manhunt for Donald Corey was now in full swing police could prove Corey was in the Oklahoma City area this is as
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late as the day before the kidnapping when Cory checked himself into a hospital in that area now Cory suffered
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pretty badly from an ulcer hospitals were a regular thing for him and we would see this as authorities began to
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track Donald Cory's movements hoping to catch up with him as he seemed to be getting further and further away from
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Oklahoma City Oklahoma State Police and the FBI got news from Jackson Mississippi that Donald Corey had
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surfaced just briefly there where he used his ID and information to get demeral injections a painkiller he was
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using in regards to his ulcer then on Friday October 99th 1981 Oklahoma State Police they get the big break that they
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were looking for this is a call from the Greenville police in Alabama they wanted
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to know if the warrant for Donald Cory was still standing well yes they were told and why are you asking they
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responded because we have Donald Corey here at our police station he walked in earlier today and gave us his
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information Corey was arrested now this is how this whole thing went down so yeah this is confusing yeah Corey went
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to a First Baptist Church okay this was to apply for some assistance as he was not working and he's suffering from this
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ulcer at the church Donald Cory provided all of his information using his real name driver's license and real
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information well they have a system with the rules in Alabama and if you are applying for assistance and you have an
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out of state driver's license or ID you then must go to the local police department where they will run a
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background check right and then send you back to the church with the proper paperwork so that you then may file for
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assistance well of course they didn't send Donald Corey back instead they called Oklahoma City and they very
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shortly afterwards sent him to jail got him got him got him got him got him again got him again okay so Donald
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Michael Cory the man with three first names yeah never trust a man with three first names or a guy that goes by a
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nickname or only one name right I don't know what that means or well you could just go by a name and it could not be a
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real name okay so just cuz we have this guy and has the same name as the name tag is this our guy because we do have
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two eyewitnesses yeah that they could put him in a lineup and say hey is this the Donald is this the Donald Duck that
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you're looking for well and remember police could prove that he was in town in Oklahoma City the day before less
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than 24 hours before the Abduction of these two girls so now we have Oklahoma who wants to interview this guy either
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in Alabama but most likely they want to bring him back to Oklahoma Cory seems somewhat Cooperative at first but tells
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the investigators yes I was in Oklahoma City yeah and we will just say okay see yeah is that what the kids say going
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forward so on September 25th he says he was in OKC when he went to the hospital for Demerol injections for that ulcer
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but he says after the hospital he left the state that same day according to Donald Corey he was not in Oklahoma City
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on the 26th when the two girls were abducted do do we know if he works for the like the state fair that's what's
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tricky regarding this identific badge it seems to be that it was some type of work identification badge right but some
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information that I found stated that it wasn't for that Fairgrounds that it wasn't in regards to
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that exact area Okay police want to question him more but Cory gets a courta appointed attorney and he tells Corey to
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shut his mouth and no longer speak with the police then quickly something started to fall apart for the
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investigators first when Cory is arrested his vehicle does not match the vehicle the boys say the abductor was
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driving so to be clear Donald Cory's vehicle that he's driving at the time of his arrest it's his vehicle it's titled
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to him it's registered to him it's not like he's driving a stolen car or anything and the description of the
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abductor vehicle it went it wasn't even a close match to Cory's car Donald Cory drove a green Oldsmobile station wagon
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the boy said the abductor drove them to the truck stop in a 1980 or 1981 model Pontiac beige Grand Prix police in
00:47:05
Alabama analyze Cory's vehicle and there is also no indications that the two girls were ever in this vehicle it takes
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a couple of days but Donald Cory is sent back to OKC there during the course of a lineup
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both boys fail to correctly identify Donald Corey as having been the man that the two boys Saul driving away with the
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girls don't got him don't got him then to make the case against Corey even weaker he finally tells police he was in
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Dallas Texas the day the girls were abducted receiving a demeral injection from a doctor so not only does it appear
00:47:44
that Donald Cory has an ulcer or maybe he doesn't that is unclear however what is clear this is by Corey's own
00:47:53
admission he is addicted to demeral and he's looking to get one or two Demerol injections a day that's his thing and it
00:48:01
sounds like he was fairly good at achieving this goal because he is getting doctors to give him these
00:48:06
injections and often it's not all on the up and up and even though it was on the
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down low these illegal injections in Dallas the day of the abductions Corey's attorney gets the doctor in Dallas to
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back up Donald Cory's story providing him an alibi for the day and with that the charges against him and rightfully
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so are dropped and he probably has no explanation of why this person would have a name tag with his name on it
00:48:36
other than he didn't have it in his possession he wasn't sure of when he had lost the ID badge right what a smart
00:48:43
idea grab a name badge with a picture and I'm going hey I'm going to hire you guys and then you take off with these
00:48:52
girls who cares that they saw you I mean they might be to pick you out of a lineup mhm but they're remembering that
00:48:58
badge name they're remembering the name yeah and it it's surprising too if it's actual if was actually Donald's picture
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on the badge which it was lucky for him that they didn't remember that picture to pick him out of the lineup yeah
00:49:13
you're they could have they could have not even remembered the face and just remembered the picture and then went
00:49:20
it's that guy and then what do you do if you go well we got two people pick him out lineup but we have a doctor that's
00:49:27
giving him an alibi yeah and the thing here is it sounds like there was trouble getting that the doctor wasn't very
00:49:33
forthcoming you know it took some convincing by the attorney to get the doctor to come forward with this Alibi I
00:49:39
wonder if that's because of how much Dem morall they're giving him well it was an
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illegal injection right well to this day Cinda pallet and charlot Kinsey they've
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never been found at the time of her disappearance cind pallet was five foot tall and 88 pounds she is part Caucasian
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part Hispanic and has brown hair and brown eyes Cinda has a small scar below the corner of her left eyebrow her
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collar bone was previously broken but healed at the time or before the time she vanished at the time of her
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disappearance she wore a dental retainer behind her lower front teeth she was last seen wearing jeans a white T-shirt
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jersey with dark blue sleeves and the words zzy top on the front and 88 on the back she was also wearing Nike sneakers
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at the time of Charlotte's disappearance she was 5T to 5' 1 in tall and weighed 100 to 105 lb she had blonde hair and
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blue eyes she has a small dot-shaped scar below her left eye caused by pencil lead Charlotte has silver caps on her
00:50:48
lower front teeth and pierced ears she also has a triangular-shaped birth mark on her lower back near the waist
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Baseline she was last seen wearing a white blouse with maroon Stripes blue jeans and sneakers if you have any
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information regarding the whereabouts of Cinda pallet or Charlotte Kinsey please
00:51:07
call the Oklahoma Police missing persons unit at 405 29712 n or call Crim Stoppers at 405
00:51:19
23573 callers to Crim Stoppers can remain anonymous and may be eligible for cash
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