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GameChanger John B Ramsey she was strangled with a cord little myth Colorado 6-year-old murder victim John
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Ben Ramsey unknown Intruder her [Applause] brother Victory John B Ramsey oh my God
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they still have not interviewed the parents I Didn't Do It John Ram didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of
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anybody who did this my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more than to
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find out who was responsible for this Mr ramsy listen carefully we are a group of
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individuals that represent a small foreign faction we respect your business but not
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the country that it serves at this time we have your daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and
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if you want her to see 1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter you will withdraw
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$118,000 from your account $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20
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bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank when you get home you will put the
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money in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8: and 10:00 a.m. m. tomorrow to instruct you on
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[Music] delivery the delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested if we monitor you getting the
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money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your
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daughter any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your
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daughter you will also be denied her remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching over
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your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you to not provoke them speaking to anyone about your
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situation such as police FBI Etc will result in your daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a stray dog
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she dies if you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the money is in any way marked
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or tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she
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dies you can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement counter measures and tactics
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you stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us follow our instructions and you stand
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a 100% chance of getting her back you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the
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authorities don't try to grow a brain John you're not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be
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difficult don't underestimate us John use that good Southern common sense of yours it is up to you now John Victory
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[Music] sbtc okay most people use the phrase Ransom note I'm going to call this a
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ransome letter because as you just heard it is long most Ransom notes are short we we have your daughter we want
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$500,000 do not involve the police we will contact you this Ransom letter is 2 and 1/2 pages long written on your
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standard run-ofthe-mill 8 1/2 by 11 and 3/4 in paper now what you're going to hear is the captain and I tear through
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this Ransom letter you're going to get our opinions on different pieces of this letter as well as the instructions given
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to John Ramsay on how to get his daughter back our opinions are going to be a combination of our personal
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opinions plus information that we've collected from other sources along the way who have scrutinized this same
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Ransom letter I'll start us off Captain with this up at the top of the letter at
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the beginning of the letter yeah there is this great website out there that's called statement analysis.com okay so
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some of our thoughts or some of the things that we mention here will include their thoughts as well they are a great
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website because they analyze these types of Ransom letters as well as 911 calls and they have experience doing this you
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and I well we got a little bit of experience ourselves doing this as we've been doing it now for several years but
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statement analysis.com they State as well as a couple of the books that I've read on this case the first line that
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they kind of question is the we are a group of individuals and they point to to this because a lot of people says
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this letter as a whole just doesn't make sense right and one thing that I want to
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keep in mind here and we kind of you know did a little running around in our discussion last week about this case but
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I think what's very important in the John Benet Ramsay case to keep in mind when you're looking at each one of these
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items as we are going to do I think you need to stay fluid and you need to stay in the moment of what's going on with
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the case you know we were talking about the police showing up and how they didn't secure the scene and uh you know
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people would point out well they don't even know if it is a crime if a crime took place right why should they secure
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it again I believe that you want to stay fluid in that moment when you show up you have indicators pointing toward a
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kidnapping for ransom and so therefore it is a crime scene so obviously we do know some things that are going to come
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to light we can look at those as much as we want but in the moment keep in keep in mind in the moment stay fluid as we
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go through this statement analysis.com as well as several other sources again points out that the letter is a whole
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does not make sense and they specifically reference the line of we are a group of individuals pointing out
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what exactly does that mean what does the writer of this letter mean right because every group is
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comprised of individuals I think it's a lie we are a group of individuals you would just say we are a group that's
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true the other thing too that John Douglas would point out in his experience with Ransom letters is that
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often the the kidnapper is the authority in the situation they're the ones that are going to call the shots they're the
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ones demanding The Ransom you're going to do this or that or this or that's going to happen or not going to happen
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yeah and he points out in his experience that often a you want to perceive a larger threat
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than what is actually going on because you as the kidnapper really only knows what everything that's going on the
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victims don't know everything that's going on they only know what you choose to tell them in your letter right so
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John Douglas would point out hey we are a group of individuals we are a group if
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it was in fact just one person that kidnapped and and wrote this letter then that makes sense to him because they
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would want to present themselves as a larger than life a larger threat they're bigger they're scarier it's not just one
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person it's a group right and that evidence is followed back uh we represent a small foreign faction I
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think just that term is to back up the idea of a group of individuals the small foreign faction makes it seem like uh
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something bigger and then when you get to we respect your business but not the we respect your business but not the
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country that it serves yeah again I think that's to back up the small foreign faction uh this sounds very movie like
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to me yeah my thoughts here they represent a small foreign faction the use of the word small doesn't make sense
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to most because now it's it's the opposite where you say we are a group you're trying to make yourself seemed
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bigger the threat seemed more real bigger now small is taking that down a notch foreign faction sound scary sounds
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scary to me but it it's weird just those words together the use of the word foreign sounds odd even if they would be
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foreigners to us they likely wouldn't call themselves foreigners they would say something like we are the Islamic
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Jihad right they wouldn't call themselves a small foreign faction I I think I think it was Ser uh sirel W's
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book where he States even a small foreign faction would not call themselves a small foreign faction it's
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just a weird weird statement yeah but I think right away it's it's establishing the mindset you know this individual
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thinks that they're going to outsmart people with this nonsense um I think the biggest thing in the letter to point to
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that it's not a group of indiv uals is when he changes the narrative and I'm going to say
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he but when he says I will call you I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. now I'm jumping some lines there
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but I think that goes back to a group of individuals the wi turns to I correct and to me that's proof that there was
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never a Wii that that's like a Freudian slip right yeah that's that's interesting
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because at first analysis for me what my thought was if he's saying and I agree with you we continue to say
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he if he is saying we are a group oh and these men have your daughter right you follow my instructions maybe he's the
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leader of this group maybe he's the brains The Mastermind behind this whole operation and he's the one that's going
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to be giving the instructions what makes that not work that theory not work is as
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you just pointed out that it starts with we and it ends with I so it does change
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along the way yeah and I think some people would argue well because he's not with the other two individuals so that's
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maybe why he changes to I will call you because they're going to be with your daughter but that's too much information
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it's almost like stating like once he goes to I again if there's a group well they're with your daughter they'll be
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monitoring you I'm not going to be with your daughter mhm very strange but I think also we can
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start by looking at this note and I think it's pretty clear to most people that it
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starts off a little sloppier and gets nicer as we go with the handwriting yeah the
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penmanship yeah not a lot nicer but a little bit nicer and I wonder um okay so there's so much to get
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into one where did this individual write the note we we do know that the the paper this came from a pad inside the
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Ramsay's home that's right there was a pen that was found in their home that they believe was the PIN for the
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note so this could go multiple ways did the person possibly steal the pad write the note and then bring it
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back my issue with that idea would be well yeah you wrote the note but why would you bring back the pad doesn't
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make sense to me mhm but the note seems creased which to me why would you crease
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a note if you're writing it in the kitchen or where that pad would be and then you're just transferring it over to
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the steps why crease it at all the crease is very weird to me as well and I'm I'm with you that I've never
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thought of the idea of somebody writing the letter elsewhere and then returning it to the scene not that that's
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impossible anything in this case in particular anything seems to be possible the crease is odd because wouldn't your
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objective your goal as the kidnapper who wants a ransom now there's people out there going well we you know we know
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this and we know that again I'm staying fluid in the moment and analyzing this particular item this is evidence as it
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is in the moment if we are to believe the ransom letter the goal of the the author of this letter would be for the
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parents of this girl to find the letter as soon as possible why we know that because of instruction given in the
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letter do not contact the authorities if they discover their daughter missing before they find this letter they could
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very well screw up that whole instruction by not knowing any better and calling the authorities our daughter
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is missing right we haven't found the letter yet why crease it pany Ramsey says she finds it on the spal staircase
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and it's three pages and it's laid out side by side so we know that at some point the letter was not to be concealed
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it was to be obvious it was to be found by the parents and for the sake of of not contacting the authorities well I'll
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tell you what why why don't we try to start at the at the top of the letter and just work our way through and try to
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hit each thing along the way I think it' be easier for us all to play along at home the letter starts off addressed to
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Mr Ramsey not to John Ramsay not to John and paty not to the parents but to straight up Mr Ramsey which I find to be
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interesting for several different reasons it it's a choice that the author is making it's a choice to only address
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this to Mr ramsy a lot of these Ransom notes that we've seen in the past they don't even
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need to address it to anyone the line that we have your daughter clarifies exactly who the letter was intended for
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right so it was a choice to address it to Mr ramsy now one thing that a lot of the TV shows and documentaries point out
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in this case the next line is listen carefully and they all point to that being weird because this is a letter
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it's not a speech it's not somebody shouting threats at somebody or calling on the phone this is a letter you're
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reading the words the words say listen carefully you don't listen you're reading I get it that's never seemed
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weird to me I I've always taken that as just like I'm the authority listen carefully here we go yeah I think it's a
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little strange it almost sounds like something You' say on the phone calling them listen carefully I have your
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daughter yeah but I also think is it that big of a deal probably not but also I wonder if that points in any direction
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on where they got this possible idea to kidnap a girl in the first place all right then we have the letter we respect
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your business okay we have your daughter we want $118,000 or she dies but oh by the way
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Mr Ramsey here here's a mild compliment we respect your business right shows that they almost care about Mr Ramsey at
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some on some level and some people have pointed out that if paty Ramsey was the author of The Ransom letter that she may
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have chose to mention this to create some kind of distance between Jon's company and the investigation right
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regardless the writer is aware of John Ramsay's business per the letter and that he is successful right if the
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writer is interested in a ransom they are targeting what many believe to be a weird amount of money
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$118,000 in cash at the ready MH according to Steve Thomas's book John Benet inside the Ramsey murder
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investigation from a leading detective on the case the author wrote We D letters do with the do crossed out we we
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do respect your business de detective Thomas takes that to mean either we do respect your business or the author was
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starting to write out we don't respect your business but then changed their mind mids sentence this this you really
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have to question as it goes to motive right because at this moment in the investigation looking at this letter
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this is supposed to be laying out the mo for what is going on here and it would point out that the author is if Thomas
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is right that they were starting to write don't we don't respect your business right that the author is
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undecided if they respect Ramsay's business up until the point of writing that sentence if it is an intruder who
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wrote The Letter it's just weird you broke into this man's home and according to the
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letter to kidnap a small child and threaten the parents with the beheading of the child yet you're undecided on how
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you feel about J's business yeah but I also think to me this point says somebody copying a
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letter mhm uh my gut feeling says that this letter was composed somewhere else and they thought to be I'm going to be
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real smart about this and get away with it so therefore I'm going to write the letter inside the house I'll use a pen
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from inside the house I'll use a paper from inside the house I'm going to bring the letter that I wrote with me and it
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might have stated we do respect your your business but then messed up and then realized well you can just put we
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respect your business that works too but there's obviously there's an edit there
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but I but I I believe the person is reading off their letter and maybe there's not a lot of light in the house
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and so again I also think one of the reasons why it's sloppier in the beginning beginning a lot of people when they
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start riding it's a little sloppier but I also think it's sloppier because this individual is now wearing
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gloves and so I think you know gloves and could be very nervous right and maybe the nerves are easing up as they
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continue to write I I kind of am with uh Steve Thomas here on his thoughts about
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believing that the writer was intending to write the word don't we we don't or we do not respect your business
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because we do respect your business or we respect your business is the same sentence and it's not necessary to cross
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out do in that in that moment so that seems weird now the writer goes on to say we respect your business but not the
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country that it serves so are we to believe that John Benet was kidnapped and then murdered because
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someone has a hatred for the United States most people would agree this crime is not an international
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incident so it's just weird to put that in there that to play that toward motive
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you know maybe there's many factors based into why you are going to leave this letter but to include
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we you know the the we don't respect the country that it serves that your business serves it just seems a a very
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strange thing I think this is pointing out to what you say it's not a group it's not a small foreign faction but if
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we mention some distaste or or hatred for the United States in that same letter it it's there to it's purposely
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put there to confirm that we are a foreign entity right right again I think it's as
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simple as I'm going to throw some of these things in to try to throw you off the scent of who I really
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am but I think the fact that they sit there and say well we respect your business that's a they' made that choice
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therefore they're showing some kind of concern for Mr ramsy later on they show some concern for him when they say uh
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you know be rested uh cuz the the delivery will be exhausting I advise you to be rested you would not put that if
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you didn't care about the person on some level this is another example of people
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say well this shows that py could have wrote the note because she the wrer keeps showing affection almost for John
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on some level Captain I respect your talent but not the garage that it serves all right deal with that well get out of
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my garage then well as you pointed out the writer misspells two very common words uh one of them being business and
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the other possession however the writer then correctly spells the words deviation and attache even including the
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accent on the word atache many believe that the writer purposely misspelled those two words to
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try to make it look like an uneducated person or again a foreign person wrote this note yeah and a lot of people point
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that to be py ramsy and the idea that okay we're sitting down to write this note we're trying to disguise our
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handwriting so we make it a little more sloppy at the beginning that's hard to keep up over 2 and A2 pages
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so that's why the sloppiness goes away but also at first went oh let me misspell a couple things to throw them
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off the scent and then they kind of forgot about that cuz I don't think there's another misspelling for the next
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page and a half I guess as you point out Captain both of the misspellings occur when there is a double s double letter s
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situation I think maybe this could be a tell almost like a signature or fingerprint if in fact this was not made
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up up right I want everyone to just stop and think for a minute do you have a couple of words that for whatever reason
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your brain just seems to Jumble up the letters in those words or or or screw up the spelling of those words regardless
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of how often or many times you look the word up have it autocorrected or ask somebody for the
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spelling Captain did you think of any words that that that you have trouble with fish
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Pony hip hop hip-hop Anonymous damn you you give him all the easy ones oh the whole English language is very difficult
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for me to spell anything correct I wonder again like you said is it a tell or is it on purpose not on purpose
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to spell it wrong but is the author trying to give us a hint of who it is uh by making these mistakes so the reason
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why I say that it could be a sign signature or almost like a fingerprint for the author of the letter would be as
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if this person always misspells these two words and that somebody would be aware of that like for me I
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know that vacuum and convenient those two words I'm like I'm never going to spell them correctly the Double U for
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years always screwed me up I think I've straight actually I take that back I think I've straightened out my vacuum
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situation but for whatever reason convenient is the most inconvenient word for me because I always want to put the
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ey in a weird spot I I will never get it right but anybody that I have corresponded with many times may know
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that that I always have trouble with that word and then they could think of oh Nick the extra Krispy Colonel wrote
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this Ransom letter because he jumbled up the eye and convenient yeah I don't know
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why you'd put vacuum in a ransom note but it's your Ransom note so it's your part I I didn't write a ransom note I
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just ask everybody to think of some letter some words that that they always have trouble with well I want to just
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mention that we have commas in here so we have some kind of knowledge of writing and we also have the big one to
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me is your right mhm a lot of people get that wrong there's different yours right yeah off
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the top of my head I think all the yours are correct yeah I didn't look at that so
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I'm guessing that they are and I know a lot of people were probably sitting there going everybody gets those right
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nope nope that's like the one of the number one pet peeves I have on Facebook is when people get their yours wrong so
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I worked in a small office years a ago a small foreign faction office yeah and I
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remember there was a conversation that needed to be had MH if that's even correct grammar probably not but there
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was a conversation that took place in a meeting where they addressed the office as a whole probably not to embarrass one
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or two people in particular but that was the the exact conversation that they had
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to pass down that needed to trickle down to some of the employees you're yours are always wrong in in your business
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letters and your emails and this that and the other thing and it's a reflection of this company that you
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don't know how to you don't know proper grammar right it's just like when it's there and there all those like weather
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and weather those drive me nuts when people get them wrong well join us after the beer break when we discuss
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letter it states at this time we have your daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to
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C1 1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter so the writer tells us we
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have your daughter in our possession most people would agree the shortest way to say something
00:32:11
is the best way to State it especially in a ransom letter a true kidnapper would have said we have your daughter
00:32:19
the words in our possession are simply understood and unnecessary and really just in those couple of lines there
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seems to be several extra and unnecessary words next you will withdraw $118,000 from your account $100,000 will
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be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the
00:32:48
bank the amount of $118,000 this all things considered is a relatively small amount amount of money
00:32:58
based off of the Ramsay's wealth or perceived wealth and John Ramsay's company is doing very well they just did
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a billion in annual sales this was made public we discussed the news articles that came out regarding this John's net
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worth in 1996 was in the millions and wouldn't you agree a nice round number would be more typical than
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$118,000 so there should be a reason why the writer chose $118,000 and even John Ramsay agrees
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that that number 118 is could be significant to the killer Yeah couple things here one if we believe the writer
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on what they're stating I'm calling you we have two people that have your daughter so we at least have three
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individuals so now you have to split that three ways so I I thought we think it was one person no but what I'm saying
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is if we believe the oh the letter yeah where it says the two men watching over your daughter yeah three people so we a
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minimum three that makes the amount even lower everybody's going to get roughly about
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40 Grand mhm what's that going to do for you right it it's not worth the risk of of the amount of prison time
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that you're signing yourself up for if you get caught right so not a large amount but that again goes back to the
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idea that we're probably dealing with one individual and not two or again somebody that is falsifying a ransom
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note to cover up a murder and one thing that's been pointed out many many times over the years in fact it was pointed
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out very early on in the investigation and the Public's uh investigation into the
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ramies let's say was that the amount may have been significant because John Ramsay's Christmas bonus or annual bonus
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for 1996 was right around the same dollar amount yeah there was actually two things one his same dollar amount
00:35:11
roughly for the bonus and I wonder if this is also kind of a tip of the hat to while I'm asking for this
00:35:20
amount because I know you got it as a bonus mhm so therefore it will be easy for you to give to me I know it's
00:35:29
available possibly I also think it leads people to believe that whoever wrote this note if it's not covering up a
00:35:38
inside job that it's it's basically stating I know your bonus you know me but but I also think that it's kind of
00:35:50
smart I'm going to make it seem like we're this big organization well actually a small for infection but we're
00:35:58
a group of people group of individuals and if you just do what we say and give us this amount that we know
00:36:05
is pretty small to you this will be done and over with and I almost think that they picked this
00:36:12
amount because they knew it would be available and that possibly because of John's
00:36:20
wealth that they'll just go get the money and not contact the authorities right and the interesting thing here too
00:36:27
is we have Steve Thomas who points out that look that amount could be important because it could be indicative of his
00:36:37
annual bonus that he received that year like you pointed out if somebody else knows
00:36:43
that if somebody that that wants to stand to gain some money from this whole situation they know that that money
00:36:52
could be readily available rather quickly that this is this is money that this dude can actually get his hands on
00:37:00
we all see people drive fancy cars live in big fancy mansions that doesn't necessarily mean that they can get a
00:37:06
hold of any cash they might be up to debt in their up up to debt to their eyeballs M and have no real cash no real
00:37:15
liquid money or whatever to pay such a ransom stinky Hard Cash and then you have to think about the banking system
00:37:23
118,000 for somebody that's a multi-millionaire they can go in there and get that money and one
00:37:30
transaction right if you make the amount too high half a million or a mill million that's going to take some time
00:37:38
again the more time that this person has to process this the more likely they are
00:37:44
going to go well uh we have to contact authorities mhm and so again it becomes this thing
00:37:54
where it's like is this a smart amount because they're just going to try to get look I don't think the money is the main
00:38:02
purpose for any of this right but but staying fluid in the situation right we discuss it but this is some evidence
00:38:10
that points to that possibly paty Ramsey writes the note or John Ramsay or together they constructed this letter
00:38:18
yeah again yeah and I think if they wrote this note together that would make some sense also would make some sense on
00:38:25
why we have some Scratch Out marks right oh no don't do that I mean let's just get into the handwriting analysis John
00:38:34
they kind of ruled out as being the the author of it that doesn't mean he didn't
00:38:39
help her write it mhm but it seems like his handwriting samples don't match at all like on a scale to 1 to 10 he's a
00:38:47
zero but as far as paty Ramsey goes she's on the lowest scale of matching handwriting
00:38:57
samples she's on a very low spectrum of that on like a one to 10 she's a like a maybe a two but cannot be cleared cannot
00:39:05
be cleared cannot be rolled out and what's weird about her too is it seems like there's speculation that she
00:39:12
actually can write with both hands and be dextrous yeah so it's like um that's that's a word I wouldn't put into a
00:39:20
ransom note I can drink beer with both hands right very talented individual so here's what's weird about the amount to
00:39:27
me is this is just like everything else and I don't know if we mentioned this last week Captain but I know we've
00:39:34
talked about this in our personal conversations our personal talks about the John Benet Ramsey case is that even
00:39:43
the sources you go to to try to find the truth to try to sift through all the B [ __ ] B [ __ ] B [ __ ] and just get to the
00:39:50
truth dirty [ __ ] and the real hardcore evidence the problem with that all even
00:39:56
the sources even the good ones even people that you and I agree that we respect they all seem to have an aor
00:40:03
grind they and so you don't know if you're getting the 100% honest to God's truth so the public perception for a
00:40:12
long time was that well it had to be John Ramsey or pany Ramsey that wrote the letter that wrote The Ransom letter
00:40:19
because they would be the only ones that would come up with this random amount of
00:40:24
$118,000 they would be aware of that because that amount was on their brains because of the bonus that he had
00:40:31
recently received then you have the others the Ramsey supporters that will say no you would have anybody there
00:40:40
could be several people at his company that would be aware of that amount there could be people at his bank that would
00:40:47
be aware of that amount and the ramies were not particularly neat Freaks and they've had
00:40:53
a lot of guests they they always are having guests over over to their home there are people that could have worked
00:40:59
at their home or could have been there as a guest and could have seen this information lying about somewhere in the
00:41:05
ramsy home and came up with that amount so well I also question there's a strong
00:41:09
argument for either in my opinion yeah and I also question how braggadocious um paty Ramsey was and is
00:41:16
it possible that she was telling people at the Christmas party oh well drink up you know cuz John got a big bonus or
00:41:24
whatever I I think that's a possib as well and there was a lot of people in and out of that house like you said and
00:41:31
and all it would take would be somebody telling somebody that told somebody that
00:41:36
told somebody but this also amount goes to and I don't want to overlook this too
00:41:41
much uh Mr Merrick I believe his name is there was a guy that was fired Jeff Merrick yeah a guy that eventually you
00:41:51
know John Ramy said hey this is somebody that we should look into he's making threats and basically his pay was the
00:41:59
argument that they had was you know around this dollar amount so he was looked into because of these threats and
00:42:07
because John could also prove that this dollar amount was pretty much what they were arguing over so he was looked into
00:42:14
and his wife was looked into now on the high end of the spectrum I think we talked about him before maramman Mr
00:42:22
maramman mhm which he was I think tested see I think paty Ramsey wrote the note four times I think she was tested four
00:42:32
times again the more and more samples that she gives you now you're not comparing note to note you're comparing
00:42:40
note to four notes M and that's what led us to the bottom of the barrel that she
00:42:46
possibly wrote it this guy maramman he was he actually wrote the note I believe seven times and they
00:42:54
actually put him on the higher Spectrum you know on a scale 1 to 10 he's maybe eight or nine he hit more
00:43:02
markers yeah if if they're looking for 19 different markers to indicate this is the author of The Letter he's hitting
00:43:10
more of those markers than py Ramsey Yeah by 10 times and eventually when they came back and wanted him to write
00:43:18
another sample he said look I have rode enough to fill the Library of Congress if you want me to write anything more
00:43:26
come back with handcuffs this note doesn't make a lot of sense at all and this amount doesn't
00:43:32
make a lot of sense but I know that John Douglas and I I believe another FBI agent profilers have looked at this
00:43:41
amount and looked at this note and thought this kind of points to a male in their late teens maybe early 20s because
00:43:49
again because amount would be significant to them yeah and I also to a younger person but I also think um that
00:43:56
makes a lot of sense and these guys are experts I mean maybe not as much as I am
00:44:01
but they are experts but I also then question is there somebody else that this is a lot of um this is a bigger
00:44:11
amount too where 118,000 might not seem like enough of a reason to kidnap somebody but again I
00:44:19
don't think that's the reason I think this is just kind of a icing on the cake and again why not pick a small amount
00:44:27
just to get it done and over with well even $118,000 that's a whole lot of Rolling
00:44:33
Papers yeah so here's the thing I do want to point out Steve Thomas his book is fantastic regardless if you agree
00:44:42
with his opinions and theories on the case I highly recommend everybody pick that book up and check it out there's a
00:44:48
lot of information in there does he have an Axor grind everybody that we will name I can't speak for the captain but
00:44:56
my belief is everyone that we name in this seems to have an aor grind but I think it's ego he States well and I but
00:45:05
I believe with Steve Thomas he he firmly believes he's right he has some things that to him point out to him that he is
00:45:14
right and he's just he's just trying to push this out to the public and say look
00:45:19
this is what I believe happened and why so I'm fine with with hearing his opinion one thing he States about this
00:45:27
$118,000 amount this is one thing that is I've not seen it reported anywhere else so I want to make sure I bring it
00:45:34
up here before we move on he states that there was some notes that he found in John Ramsay's personal I don't know if
00:45:44
it was a journal or personal notes that John Ramsey made about his personal finances and the number
00:45:52
118,000 was significant as it was referenced Within in those notes now I don't know if that was liabilities or
00:46:00
liquid or what but it was it was significant according to Steve Thomas in those notes and so he's pointing out
00:46:08
forget about the bonus because a lot of people could have known about that right
00:46:13
this could be a number that's significant to John because of his personal financial notes that that we
00:46:19
found in his office that's interesting but then we also have a few other interesting takes on this one thing
00:46:26
that's been pointed out many many times and I just have such a big issue with this whole thing look this case
00:46:36
this investigation is salacious enough without coming up with Halloween stories to add on top of it but there's always
00:46:45
been the the speculation out there throughout the years that oh 118 is significant because it references psalm
00:46:55
118 from the Bible and the family bible inside the Ramsey home was turned to Psalm 118 which discusses child
00:47:04
sacrifice and the ramies are Satanist right sorry that just doesn't make any damn sense it doesn't add up number one
00:47:12
number two well and hold on if you're going to sacrifice one of your kids I mean don't you pick the ugly
00:47:18
one I I don't know the I don't know the first thing about child sacrifice or the
00:47:24
or sacrificing my own child but what I will point out is that law enforcement stated first of all the family Bible was
00:47:32
not turned to Psalm 118 that never happened they never found that to be the case it wasn't marked it wasn't
00:47:40
bookmarked Psalm 118 doesn't seem to hold any significance to this case for the ramies on top of that read the Bible
00:47:50
Psalm 118 doesn't discuss child sacrifice so it's just it's just a theory that's all kinds of wrong it's
00:47:56
interesting it would make for a good movie you know if you're putting together a good horror flick that would
00:48:02
be something of interest but uh it doesn't seem to mean anything now I like what John Douglas States about the
00:48:08
amount of $118,000 he states that you know that if you were to convert that money to
00:48:16
another currency Douglas points out that at the time in 1996 $118,000 roughly translates to a million
00:48:24
pesos see so either pointing out again as a little wink wink hint situation that this could be a foreign entity or a
00:48:36
foreign person or he also States you know it could be somebody that was younger and
00:48:42
looking to flee the area after receiving the money and and hide out in Mexico yeah so it's interesting that there are
00:48:50
several different reasons for the possibility of this this odd amount and again John Ramsey himself agrees that
00:48:58
the the number is probably significant to the killer now the phrase I I actually I should say this Captain just
00:49:06
before moving on also like other things with this case it could have no significance at all it could just be one
00:49:14
of those weird things that's the amount that some crazy sicko on the spot came up with and that's all you know and
00:49:21
that's all it means yeah it's totally a coincidence then we have the phrase your
00:49:27
account in the letter this is interesting the author could have just said the bank you know you're get the
00:49:36
money from the bank right and not your account also this is implying that the kidnapper knows that there's that dollar
00:49:44
amount at least in John Ramsay's account then if paty Ramsey was the author then
00:49:51
we can see how in targeting the note toward her husband she would use the phrase your
00:49:58
account versus my account right make you know make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank most
00:50:06
kidnappers are not going to remind you to bring an adequate size case to hold the money plus this has got to be a
00:50:15
rather uncommon word I can think of only a handful of times other than the ramsy
00:50:21
case where I have even heard the word atache used or seen it on a piece of paper yeah I again this to me points I
00:50:31
mean we we got to look at intelligence level and I would say that this individual writing the note whether it's
00:50:37
paty or somebody else we know paty has a higher education if it's not py it's somebody
00:50:44
else with a higher education because I just don't think that they would even try to use that word then the suggestion
00:50:52
that you be well rested I'm surprised they didn't didn't write eat oatmeal for breakfast you're going to need your
00:50:58
strength it the kidnapper frankly doesn't give a [ __ ] if you're well rested right or not you know
00:51:06
it doesn't care about your feelings or about your your health your physical well-being they want their money but
00:51:12
again this could be immaturity this could be somebody quoting dumb [ __ ] from a movie window dring this could be yeah
00:51:21
this could be py not understanding how to be uh as aggressive as maybe she should or this could be somebody that's
00:51:32
actually close to the ramsy family that this is like a you're writing too much you're giving too much away and and I
00:51:41
think a lot of people believe that little tells like this point to that it's somebody that knows the family the
00:51:48
word atache was written with an accent placed over the letter e m most people in in the US do not use this special
00:51:57
character it may have been used because the writer wanted the authorities to believe John B was kidnapped by a
00:52:05
foreign faction right the writer may have used it because he or she is educated the other thing we have to make
00:52:14
take into consideration is that John benet's name was written with an accent py Ramsey was
00:52:22
accustomed to using the accent when writing her daughter's name yeah she well she wanted her daughter's name to
00:52:28
sound French right so you will withdraw $118,000 from your account $ 100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining
00:52:38
$118,000 in $20 bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank when you get home you will put the
00:52:46
money in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8: and 10: a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery
00:52:53
will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested if we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to
00:53:00
arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter note the author wrote delivery
00:53:09
of your daughter if you see this on if you go and look up the actual paper right yeah the author wrote delivery of
00:53:16
your daughter crossed out delivery and wrote pick up of your daughter so it reads mistakes and all
00:53:25
we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier delivery pickup of your
00:53:33
daughter the writer started to say that upon receiving the money he or they would deliver John Benet to the parents
00:53:41
then realizing that a kidnapper would not deliver the hostage right but would tell the family where she could be found
00:53:49
therefore he changed it to pickup it's doubtful that a a well thought out kidnapper would make this mistake it's a
00:53:57
strong indication that the the writer was not an experienced criminal yeah which makes this case even more baffling
00:54:06
because the note makes lot more sense if if it's paty writing the note and just really bad at writing a ransom note to
00:54:14
cover it up and this is one of the points where she goes um and hence right mm she was kind of commonly known to use
00:54:25
that phrase and I believe even Burke uses that phrase when he when he's uh questioned by
00:54:33
authorities but again is this immaturity is this somebody that's just trying to throw people off the scent but also we
00:54:43
might do this earlier instead of the call I wonder if you're viewing paty as the author is this uh setting up for
00:54:55
them to change the plans on the police if they have to but I also think that depending on when you wrote this note
00:55:05
and in in what manner you did this would be kind of a weird thing to kind of come
00:55:10
up with off the top of your head yeah let's there's a lot to really dive into in this couple of sentences I believe so
00:55:20
first the word monitor implies a continual surveillance this is further emphasized when the writer states you
00:55:28
and your family are under con constant scrutiny the kidnapper would have us believe they are continually watching
00:55:34
the Ramsay family which is very highly unlikely one but two goes back to that line of if we you know if we see you
00:55:45
getting the money earlier we're going to we'll make earlier arrangements to return your daughter right it kind of
00:55:53
it's kind of underlining that yeah we are watching you and we will know when you go to get the
00:55:58
money the word hence as you pointed out is incredibly interesting it's not a common word the word hence is a formal
00:56:07
way of saying therefore the writer starts out the ransom note misspelling words giving the appearance that they
00:56:14
are uneducated however his or their educational level begins to show when they use words such as
00:56:23
hence we see the same writing style in the Ramsay's Christmas message on December 14th
00:56:31
1997 the First United Methodist Church in Boulder Colorado held a memorial service for John Benet in the program
00:56:39
there was a message a Christmas message from the Ramsey family this message was also posted on the Ramsay family's
00:56:47
website in the message we find the statement had there been no birth of Christ there would be no hope of eternal
00:56:55
life and hence no hope of ever being with our loved ones again yeah it's suspicious but if there's also a an
00:57:05
hence in their Christmas letter maybe it's again somebody that got that Christmas letter well this is the year
00:57:12
after she was killed no but didn't you say that there was and the there was a in the original Christmas letter that
00:57:19
people would have got in 1996 is there no inhance in that one I would have to go back and review that I
00:57:26
don't believe that there is a and hence but there this this fact is from their December 14th
00:57:34
1997 message this is a memorial to John Manet right so that's very suspicious towards paty Ramsey but if again like I
00:57:45
said Burke a couple times says and hence and his I guess you can call it interrogation tapes questioning tapes
00:57:56
is it just somebody that's close to the family and knows that and hence is something that paty Ramsey uses so
00:58:03
therefore I use it in my letter not so much suspicious towards pany ramsy but more of a clue that hey I know you we're
00:58:13
close you you want to hear one sad thing you you mentioned their Christmas letter
00:58:18
and I I forgot about this this there's so many things involved in this case so many details
00:58:25
involved in this case and regarding their Christmas letter that we we discussed last week that they sent out
00:58:32
to their friends and family yeah they sent it out so late in December I believe I've heard the
00:58:41
statement that everyone but just for the sake of being fair and not having that in my notes
00:58:50
specifically I will state that that that statement was most most of the people receiving most of the recipients of that
00:58:57
letter received it on December 26th the same day that they had to tell friends and family that John Benet was
00:59:06
killed right so just What a Sad Sad thing for friends and family you get this happy cheery message about the
00:59:16
Ramsey family and then find out that same day the little girl that you read about in their Christmas message has
00:59:23
been killed yeah also in these statements in this letter we have an unnecessary word over any deviation of
00:59:30
my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied her remains for
00:59:38
proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter unnecessary words are
00:59:44
words that can be taken out of a sentence taken out of this letter completely in the sentence still makes
00:59:49
sense the writer could have stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter extra words give us extra information
00:59:57
what is the difference between watching over someone and watching someone according to statement analysis.com they
01:00:04
say the best example is in reference to God if someone were to say that God is watching over me then you have God
01:00:13
keeping his distance he sees the person he or she I don't want to get into that argument he or she sees the person but
01:00:22
also sees the entire world at the same time God can see the person because they are
01:00:28
a part of the world while God is watching over that person they are also watching over others the word over means
01:00:36
god is spreading his watchful eye upon the earth now if someone were to write or to say God Is Watching You it becomes
01:00:46
more personal it's a focused attention right another example would be if a friend asks you to watch over over his
01:00:55
house while he was out of town in this case he probably wants you to stop by every once in a while and make sure
01:01:03
everything is okay maybe you'll pick up the mail water the plants whatever however if he ask you to
01:01:11
watch his house he probably wants you to house it to stay there right he wants you to be there where you can keep a
01:01:18
close eye on things so on December 26 I think something else that we should point out is this would have been a
01:01:27
Thursday so yes people are off work normally on Christmas but there's a lot of people that go back to work on that
01:01:36
Thursday so if it's not written by paty ramsy I believe it would have to be written by somebody that knew that they
01:01:45
had time to do this that day possibly somebody that doesn't have a job or or is off work which it could be a lot of
01:01:57
people but I think that's important to point out well Santa Claus just spent the whole time working just before that
01:02:05
so I'm sure he is off and resting on that day statement analysis goes on while we're talking about words that are
01:02:13
unnecessary they go on to add in a kidnapping the kidnappers should be watching the abductee meaning the word
01:02:20
watching is also unnecessary it would be understood they will want to keep a close eye on
01:02:27
her they want to make sure she does not Escape or alert someone that she needs help they will want to make sure she
01:02:34
doesn't harm herself if her being alive is dependent upon them receiving the ransom when the writer of The Ransom
01:02:42
note said they were watching over John Benet the writer was telling us they were not keeping a close eye on her
01:02:50
there are only two reasons why you you would not closely watch your hostage one if you knew for certain she was all
01:02:59
right and could not Escape or two if you knew she was dead yeah since a dead body
01:03:05
isn't going anywhere it is something you watch over not keep a close eye on right
01:03:13
so let's be clear about this if it's paty Ramsay or somebody in the Ramsay household then we know that John Man is
01:03:22
dead and so of this stuff points to that right mhm my issue has always been the person if it's an intruder they
01:03:34
had time so why wouldn't you write the note beforehand if the goal was to take John
01:03:42
B out of the house the whole kidnapping could just be a ruse they maybe they didn't even want money they
01:03:52
just are going to use this as a ruse to give them more time right watching over and all that stuff might not make any
01:04:01
sense I to me it's less likely that the Intruder takes her to the basement kills her on purpose or on
01:04:12
accident and then decides to write a note my gut feeling says if it's an intruder the note was written
01:04:20
before the death of John Ben mhm and just immaturity not a seasoned criminal not a
01:04:29
you know but I I also think a lot of the stuff is leading to somebody with a decent education decent ability to write
01:04:39
I believe the person is giving too many Clues on that they're close to the family and again I don't know if the the
01:04:46
dollar amount matters at all mhm yeah I want to stay on this for a little bit because I personally do not believe that
01:04:53
the what statement analysis.com is stating here in its simplest form is that based
01:05:00
on the language used in the letter it appears that the writer already knew that John Benet was dead when writing
01:05:07
the ransom note right I don't really firmly agree with that and I think that when they say that they are trying to
01:05:15
indicate that that means that it has to be pany and John or or pany by herself writing this letter already knowing that
01:05:23
the daughter is dead right I I don't believe that so much but staying staying on this idea of additional words or
01:05:32
unnecessary words I go back to the we are a small foreign faction we are a group of individuals the men watching
01:05:39
over your daughter this is a group The watching over could actually apply the watching over your daughter
01:05:48
could make sense as we can't assume we know everything that the kidnapper has planned regardless
01:05:54
of the long letter left on the spiral staircase this watching over could be intended to imply simply the men took
01:06:02
your daughter I Am The Mastermind of this operation and I'm leaving the ransom note after the fact they are
01:06:09
elsewhere watching over your daughter right the two men watching over your daughter do not particularly like you
01:06:17
when we look at a copy of the ransom letter we find the writer originally wrote do particularly like you the word
01:06:24
not was written above the space between the words do in particularly a a line was then drawn indicating that the word
01:06:33
not should be inserted between these words all right then we have any deviation of my instructions will result
01:06:40
in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied her remains for proper burial the two
01:06:47
gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them speaking to
01:06:54
anyone about your situation such as police FBI Etc will result in your daughter being beheaded saying that John
01:07:02
Benet will be beheaded is very unusual statement analysis says in the United States we generally do not talk about
01:07:10
beheading people this was put in the note in their opinion to make it look like a foreign faction was being behind
01:07:19
this kidnapping right now for me Captain this is the line that I have always question the most let's say John Benet
01:07:27
died in some kind of accident and then the parents covered it up which is a very popular Theory so they cover it up
01:07:35
and then write this Ransom letter they would still be very upset about the death of their small child they would
01:07:43
still be grieving parents in a way I can't I have a very difficult time believing that parents for any reason
01:07:53
would ref ref the beheading of Their Own Child right that it's not necessary to throw that in that note to cover up an
01:08:01
accidental death or something else yeah the small foreign faction and the beheading makes me think and the season
01:08:08
right is the season for one of the best Christmas movies of all time and if you don't think it's a Christmas movie
01:08:15
you're just wrong Die Hard it makes me think that somebody watched die hard too much and went oh yeah foreign faction uh
01:08:23
you know beheading this is the terms that they would use right if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies if
01:08:31
you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies you will be
01:08:38
scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies four times the writer uses the phrase she dies if John
01:08:47
B was still alive the writer should have been speaking in the future tense she will will die this is a strong
01:08:56
indication that the the writer again knows that John Benet was dead at the time this is again that same website
01:09:04
kind of pointing out to that we could have a cover up here by the parents yeah again the cover up makes more sense than
01:09:12
but as far as the she dies okay well then she they would say well she will die this could be somebody going well
01:09:21
that's this would sound more like a terrorist would talk right she dies and then after this she dies this this
01:09:30
is this would be the terrorist or the threat level being turned up Crank It Up to 11 right scare the hell out of the
01:09:38
out of the parents now I really like this portion that I found here it states there are three times when the writer
01:09:46
used an exclamation point exclamation points as we all know are used to add emphasis to the statement
01:09:54
listen carefully this has an exclamation point in talking about killing John Benet the
01:10:00
writer does not use any exclamation points four times the writer wrote she dies we would expect this to be a point
01:10:10
of emphasis in the letter but did not use them when talking about killing John Benet this too May indicate that John
01:10:18
Benet was already dead and the author knew this at this time there are in you you've been kind of hinting at this all
01:10:26
day long here there are several movie references or close to quotes found within this Ransom letter in the movie
01:10:35
Dirty Harry inspector Harry Callahan Clint Eastwood I love Clint Eastwood is looking for Scorpio a man who kidnapped
01:10:44
a little girl when talking to Scorpio on the phone several time Scorpio tells inspector Callahan that if he does not
01:10:51
follow his orders the girl dies as opposed to saying the girl will die in the movie the girl was already dead in
01:10:58
the ransom note John Benet was already dead another very interesting thing is the letter only names John ramay by name
01:11:07
no one else first it's Mr ramsy and then simply John yeah the note is addressed to Mr Ramsay however
01:11:17
towards the end of the letter Mr Ramsay becomes John well don't we have a practice note at Point yes where it's uh
01:11:26
it's addressed to both of them so in the believed or what is called the uh rough
01:11:32
draft or the first draft often referred to as the practice note practice letter they find in the same notepad it's
01:11:42
believed that that this Ransom letter came from the same notepad that they later found at the top of a page
01:11:49
somebody wrote Mr and Mrs I it looks like I because what the the authorities state is that that is the downstroke for
01:12:01
a capital r that the intention was for it to be Mr and Mrs Ramsay and then before even completing the capital r the
01:12:12
author changed their mind and then decided to address the letter simply to Mr Ramsay just to John right which look
01:12:20
this is a pad that the this stuff drives me nuts cuz it's like the the housekeeper could have said I'm
01:12:28
going to write a note real quick to Mr and Mrs ramsy or anybody else that worked at the house could have sat down
01:12:36
so yes they believe it's possibly a practice note but there's also other explanations
01:12:43
or other things that you can speculate that it's that there was no practice note we don't have anybody to claim
01:12:51
that that that little letter right there you know the Mr and Mrs eye right I think if somebody were to claim that it
01:12:59
would be easy more easy to dismiss but because we don't have that it may appear to most that a possible practice letter
01:13:09
nobody's saying definitively that it was right but there is evidence to certainly
01:13:14
point that it could be you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to
01:13:20
grow a brain John you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult don't
01:13:27
underestimate us John use that good Southern common sense of yours it is up to you now John again this is pointing I
01:13:35
think to somebody that's closer to the family than this small foreign faction but also it simply can put Point towards
01:13:46
py Ramsey well yeah I mean this is an indicator that the the author of The Letter has some general knowledge of
01:13:54
John it's it's same as the the dollar amount right it's same as knowing that he would be able to pay this amount use
01:14:02
that good Southern sense of yours that good Southern common sense of yours knowing that he's from Atlanta right and
01:14:09
then addressing him as John I tell you what though for all the reasons that many people point out that the letter
01:14:16
itself shows no level of criminal sophistication I want to point to one sentence that I believe shows a good
01:14:25
deal of understanding and criminal sophistication regarding getting the ransom and that is don't try to grow a
01:14:35
brain John and we know that that's referenced probably from a movie from from speed where he says uh don't grow a
01:14:43
brain I'm on top of you or say something like that and that that's that's an individual that's looking to collect a
01:14:49
ransom in the movie but this line right here Captain you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing
01:14:56
will be difficult that to me shows some criminal sophistication right there that
01:15:02
to me is the person who's demanding The Ransom to say you know what on top of that don't deviate from these things
01:15:09
because there's a lot of people that say well you don't pay a ransom because you
01:15:13
know right away that the killer the abductor will not kill the abducted person the
01:15:20
abductee because if they do kill then the likelihood of getting the ransom goes down significantly they've not
01:15:28
they've not upheld their end of the bargain I like this line because they're saying don't deviate from us because
01:15:34
guess what we don't care we will kill your daughter and then we will take somebody else's kid and we'll give them
01:15:40
a ransom and somebody will pay us eventually so don't try to outsmart us here just be this is a very short way of
01:15:47
saying don't try to outsmart us here just do the right thing and pay us because we'll do this again we're not
01:15:53
we're not worried about giving you your daughter back we're not worried about losing out on the ransom because we
01:15:58
because you screw up and we have to kill her well so you have one line that we believe is coming from Dirty Harry but
01:16:04
you say that there's a kidnapping there so that's interesting and then the fact that there's another line that we go oh
01:16:11
that might be from speed and there's a ransom there I wonder if we're missing other lines from movies well in Dirty
01:16:19
Harry there's the line if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies um well sorry that's from the The Ransom
01:16:26
letter but it sounds like from Dirty hary if we if you talk to anyone even if it's a peines on a lamp post peeing on a
01:16:37
lamp post the girl dies that's from Dirty har Harry are we missing some other references to movies and and to me
01:16:45
then that's a again I I find it hard to think that John and paty they their daughter is it's an accidental death
01:16:56
right and they're trying to cover up for their son this is their child it doesn't
01:17:01
have to be cover up for their son though there's you know anybody could be guil guilty of the accidental death but right
01:17:08
right you're right but what I'm saying is this is a beloved daughter this is I I love somebody Point somebody said uh
01:17:17
well even if they didn't care about their daughter they would have they would have been upset about their
01:17:22
investment who who makes those claims towards parents there there is no evidence that John and Pat paty were
01:17:31
horrible Satan worshippers and didn't give a [ __ ] about their little daughter so if there was there was an accidental
01:17:39
death whoever is responsible at the end of the day we have a dead six-year-old daughter so I think for them to sit
01:17:48
around and come up with this letter to me it's cutesy oh well throw in that line about what you know what did Dirty
01:17:55
Harry say oh yeah say something like that what was that movie what was that line in speed yeah say something like
01:18:03
that it's too cutesy mhm their six-year-old daughter died and it and and in this case for whatever reason
01:18:12
it's like oh well they got a little bit of money that doesn't make them monsters
01:18:17
she spent a lot of time with her daughter no matter what you think that is you know and I I'm also so sick and
01:18:24
tired of people going well they they set her up and they put her in a position where there's all these pedophiles and
01:18:31
and so really even if they didn't kill her if they're not covering up an accidental death that they really
01:18:36
brought this upon their daughter oh give me a break your kids ain't safe anywhere I I have friends that have been
01:18:44
molested by teachers counselors Boy Scout leaders bus drivers Soccer Coaches priests pedophiles are
01:18:54
everywhere so it's just the the claims that we can make when there's no evidence beforehand or afterwards of
01:19:05
them being horrible malicious people it's just it doesn't make a lot of sense to me like I said it's too cutesy oh
01:19:11
let's try to throw in some movie quotes well there's no evidence of them being horrible malicious people beforehand
01:19:18
either so this to me is the most interesting portion of the letter and actually it's what is not in the letter
01:19:27
py is not named John Benet is not named but is referenced as your daughter or she right this is interesting
01:19:36
because what if it's possible that the person that wrote the letter did not know the little girl's name
01:19:44
or at the very least did not know how to spell John Benet that's not a common name I can't think of anybody else that
01:19:53
that shares that name right is it possible that they avoided that name because they didn't know how to spell it
01:19:59
also could the Intruder have only known John Ramsay's name yeah it's a difficult
01:20:06
one because you think you know with the Intruder Theory a lot of people go this this person must have been obsessed with
01:20:14
this little girl if you're obsessed with her would you know how to spell her name
01:20:18
and also if you wrote the note beforehand and then brought it with you or or wrote a note beforehand and
01:20:24
brought that with you and then copied it down and you were obsessed with her why
01:20:29
why wouldn't you put her name but again maybe there's all these little tells that if it's an intruder that they know
01:20:37
the family well right but maybe that was their their disagree with that I think that it
01:20:46
the only indicators that we have is that the Intruder may know JN well again pointing out no py
01:20:53
no John Benet all the references that that would indicate that they know of the family and maybe you're just using
01:21:00
family in a loose term there right but it's all towards John Mr Ramsay John we respect your business uh we know that
01:21:09
you're wealthy $118,000 use that good Southern sense of yours right all John and there are
01:21:18
theories out there Intruder theories that persons believe that the Intruder yeah did they do some horrible
01:21:26
things to John Ben yeah they killed her but the the the intent was to was to harm John ramsy right be it on an
01:21:35
emotional level or whatever not on a physical level but that that was the motivating factor for the death for the
01:21:42
murder or the Abduction of this little girl was to hurt and possibly destroy John Ramsey that the the killer or the
01:21:50
abductor had was seeking revenge against against him or was or sought to destroy
01:21:55
this man yeah it makes sense to just focus it on John if you're if the writer is py cuz what would make you think that
01:22:03
you should focus on yourself right so that's where I think people go oh this had to be Psy's doing and here's the
01:22:11
thing too and I'm glad you point that out because that's something that I think most people kind of skip over when
01:22:16
they look at this case you hear so many people go oh it was the parents or it had to be the parents you can run
01:22:23
different scenarios in your head where it doesn't have to be the parents it could be a parent right it could have
01:22:29
been one or the other it doesn't have to be a united front of of the two right two killed covered up and then it's the
01:22:38
two of them against the world going forward right because what's interesting in this case is you have a lot of people
01:22:45
that think paty was up all night long and that her husband he took a sleeping aid so he passed out and what if all
01:22:55
this stuff happened and now she is responsible or she feels that she's responsible and she doesn't think that
01:23:02
JN will understand so that she has to cover this all up on her own it's possible but I also think when I think
01:23:11
about the Intruder theory is that maybe this person had a affection for py as well and that that's why they didn't put
01:23:20
her in the letter they didn't name her you know what I mean like if I'm going to talk trash to somebody I'll talk a
01:23:26
little I'll talk a little stick to John but I wouldn't do that to paty so I'm not going to do that in the letter when
01:23:34
you say that this individual would have it out for John right MH the evidence against that is if you have more hatred
01:23:44
towards somebody you're not going to be so polite you're going to you're going to spew a lot more Venom and that
01:23:51
doesn't happen and you know you know don't think you're the only fat cat around don't what like so you're you're
01:23:59
kind of giving them a compliment just in that statement you would think a lot more of like John 's a piece of [ __ ] and
01:24:08
you're going to pay us and you know you're a horrible person and you're and your business sucks you know what I mean
01:24:16
like but they're too complimentary to him so I I I doubt the hatred then we have the weird
01:24:26
ending of the letter the victory sbtc yeah sbtc it appears there's no period after the letter c just after the
01:24:37
other three letters people have for so many years have wondered what could sbtc mean that has always been one of the
01:24:44
most popular questions in this case one of the most popular theories is that it stands for Subic Bay Training Center
01:24:53
right Subic Bay is a bay on the west coast of the island of Luzon in the Philippines about 100 kilm Northwest of
01:25:03
Milana Bay an extension of the South China Sea its Shores were formerly the site of a major United States Navy
01:25:13
facility named US Naval Base Subic Bay which is now the location of an Industrial and Commercial area known as
01:25:22
the Subic Bay Freeport Zone under the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority we point this out because many people have
01:25:31
suggested that John Ramsay who was stationed at Subic Bay may have come up with this
01:25:40
sbtc because it means Subic Bay Training Center however in the description that we just gave you it clearly tells you
01:25:49
that there is no entity that exist with that name right Subic Bay Training Center that's not what that place was
01:25:57
called and as far as I could find there is no training facility station there nobody would have
01:26:03
any reason to refer to the United States Navy facility named US Naval Base Subic
01:26:11
Bay as Subic Bay Training Center another possibility Captain is the sbtc could mean saved by the cross which could mean
01:26:20
a number of different things statement analysis says this is because of the Ramsay's professed faith in God and
01:26:29
because the word Victory precedes the initials sbtc as all Christians know it is
01:26:36
through Christ's sacrifice on the cross that we have victory over death the Ramsay were religious and attended
01:26:44
church as we mentioned in the timeline paty beat cancer too and it has also been suggested that saved by the cross
01:26:51
is a reference to to paty's victory over cancer sbtc could could have meaning to
01:26:58
the perpetrator or to the perpetrator's relationship to the Ramsay or John Benet
01:27:04
or what is probably the most likely situation is that it means nothing at all that it has no real relevance to the
01:27:14
case at all mhm I believe paty at one point when asked what sbtc could mean she saidon of a [ __ ] Tom Carter
01:27:22
right which was someone the family knew but that of course just seems like like Kookie talk I mean it's just yeah she
01:27:33
had no filter really right right well I you know what I do like that about her there is a certain charm John has too
01:27:39
much filter right and then paty has no filter yeah it's uh son of a [ __ ] Tom Carter well there is a guy that they
01:27:50
they look into and one of the new documentaries where he would sign his name he had like
01:27:56
aliases uh and the T would stand for truth so it was his Alias but he would put truth in there but again they they
01:28:06
once you do more research you go well this guy was connected to Colorado but he couldn't have been there at the time
01:28:15
so I think everybody's grabbing at straws for this one I question the letters themselves though
01:28:23
sbtc that's what we're assuming it is because again I think one of the things that really points to the fact that paty
01:28:32
didn't write this note because if she's calling 911 this would have been not much after she already wrote the note
01:28:41
right it could have been minutes could have been hours right and they ask her who wrote the note who's it from and you
01:28:50
almost hear you have have you almost hear the thinking the wheels turning and she has to go to the back and say
01:28:59
sbtc then she reads Up victory mhm if she wrote this note she would yeah your your knee-jerk reaction would
01:29:09
be to say Victory sbtc or just simply sbtc yeah without a pause who wrote the note
01:29:16
sbtc okay well more likely that she wrote the note but when she has to search through it because she claims she
01:29:22
didn't even read the whole note mhm she got to the point where you have my daughter oh [ __ ] I got to go check on my
01:29:29
daughter oh [ __ ] John yeah come help me oh we you know John maybe reads the note
01:29:37
maybe doesn't maybe gets to the same part we got to call the police and then at some point you're going oh [ __ ] now
01:29:43
we called the police but they're telling us not to call the police but again she
01:29:46
reads up and she says sbtc Victory mhm if she wrote the note like you said start with Victory sbtc or
01:29:56
say sbtc quicker I question the letters and this is what I mean by this paty Ramsay is the one that determined
01:30:06
this is sbtc this is pretty sloppy handwriting I don't know if that t is a t or if it was
01:30:13
supposed to be possibly a j a j because if you look at every other T son of a [ __ ] John Carter some of a
01:30:23
[ __ ] if you look at every other te the bottom swish of the tea goes out to the
01:30:31
right and when you look at this T it almost looks like there's a DOT um well it is a felt tip pen okay so
01:30:42
I I do want to throw this in there according to Steve Thomas they had verification from the Secret Service
01:30:48
United States Secret Service M that one of the felt tip pens in the little you know everybody's got their little pen
01:30:54
and pencil holder that contains multiple pens and pencils that that pen and pencil holder
01:31:02
contained a felt tip pen that authored the letter according to Steve Thomas and according to what he States is proof
01:31:11
from the Secret Service that they were able to determine that the the dye or the ink I guess would be better to say
01:31:20
was was a perfect match for one particular pen in that that holder I point that out felt tip pen because if
01:31:29
you anybody that's used them often knows if you just kind of hesitate to pick up
01:31:35
your pen it will leave what what looks to be a DOT at the bottom of a letter or at the at the end of a stroke that you
01:31:45
just finished yeah which I get but again I think this is more deliberate and the
01:31:50
reason why is cuz look at every U when they y u right at the bottom of the Y what happens with their pin
01:31:59
naturally goes to the right look at 100% when they make the percent sign where does the pin go naturally to the
01:32:10
right do you see that what was the last one you just stated I'm I'm reviewing the use so if you look at the U's the
01:32:17
bottom of the Y always starts curving to the right even on the on the D's the bottom of the D's oh if you look at the
01:32:25
word you when you say you I thought you meant the letter U um yeah you're right with the the Y at the start of the word
01:32:34
u and at the end of the word Victory I can see right here on page three yeah it it it goes to the right a little bit
01:32:43
Yeah and then if you look at 100% at the bottom of the percent sign it goes to the to the right and that
01:32:50
happens over over and over almost every y goes down and to the right uh even the
01:32:58
fs and you're right on the J it goes to the left well on the T it goes to the left making it a possible J yes just but
01:33:08
only on the sbtc so I think it's possible that the person started hurrying through this a
01:33:18
little bit more and that is a SB J C right could be yeah and could so son of a [ __ ] Jesus Christ is that what it
01:33:30
is no no it could mean anything again it could mean nothing at all it could be here
01:33:37
look the truth of the matter at the end of the day is the ransom note is a farce how however you want to spin it
01:33:45
whoever you believe to be involved it's a fake meaning whoever wrote it never intended to receive any Ransom I believe
01:33:55
that 100% okay so what you're saying is if it's written by somebody in the family they're covering up they're Mak
01:34:02
they're they're making it look like it's something else and they're covering up an accident or they're covering up a
01:34:08
murder yeah okay if it's an intruder it could just be a false it could be a farce from the beginning and they're
01:34:17
still planning on taking her and that just doesn't work out and then they left the scene and move about their business
01:34:26
I think it very likely that given what we we know of the wine seller and what we suspect of the body of John Benet
01:34:38
that if this person or this group had any intention of taking this little girl and removing her from the home that this
01:34:46
letter was constructed to buy them time meaning when the the thing with the Intruder I'm
01:34:54
kind of with you and I'm not saying that I believe it to be an intruder but if it
01:34:59
were if I were to say yes I believe this was an intruder that's responsible for the murder of John
01:35:04
Benet I believe that the the Intruder Theory only works if the letter was written was constructed before the
01:35:12
attempted abduction of this girl right and that there was no really true intention to ever return her there was
01:35:20
no true intention to collect on that Ransom that this would have been more likely a sexually motivated crime and
01:35:29
the letter was constructed to buy this sicko some additional time right and that could be for either any number of
01:35:39
purposes or just simply for the purpose of getting away of fleeing the area or distancing themselves from the crime
01:35:48
itself don't contact police if I if I can do anything to stall law enforcement from the if I can do anything to stall
01:35:56
the experts from getting involved then I'm going to do that because we we all know if you don't solve this thing in
01:36:03
the first 48 you don't have a suspect in the first 48 first 72 time is the killer
01:36:08
time makes it more difficult to solve these cases and this is a particularly complicated
01:36:13
one and so I believe that if it were even an intruder the idea would be to distance themselves from from the
01:36:21
investigation to slow the start and progression of that investigation I point to that for
01:36:28
several reasons because even if somebody look we we know that she's killed we know that she's killed
01:36:36
somewhere in that home and then the body is left somewhere in that home even if the kill the person killed her had
01:36:44
intended to take her for the purpose of a ransom you would still remove the body
01:36:49
because you could still collect on that Ransom even though she's dead the parents don't know that she's dead right
01:36:55
and even and even if they were even the sentence of denied a proper burial indicates that the author of The Letter
01:37:04
understands that even the return of a dead body has some value so I don't really believe that there was ever in
01:37:11
any intention of collecting on a ransom and we went through the timeline I will contact you between 8 and 10: a.m.
01:37:19
tomorrow to give you instructions there was no contact nobody ever reached out for any reason at all I I think it is
01:37:28
also very important to keep in mind I I think one of the smartest things that that Steve Thomas added to this case is
01:37:37
where he states that 8: to 10: a.m. is so confusing because we don't know what the author means by 8: to 10: a.m.
01:37:47
because this crime we we're talking this all went down in the middle of the night
01:37:53
if if the abductor attempted the abduction after midnight well then 8: a.m. to 10: a.m.
01:38:01
tomorrow could mean the next day so I I think it's all it it's all very make a lot of sense
01:38:10
yeah and again I think um I believe that the person if it was an intruder they they wrote it
01:38:18
beforehand and either copied their own note and try to make a couple corrections to it or whatever yeah and
01:38:26
and that's why we have those little scribble marks but I think they they wrote it beforehand there's too many
01:38:32
cutesy like little references and little things about like Hollywood not even so much even if you
01:38:41
say they're not quoting any movie it just sounds like stuff that would come from a movie they could just be quoting
01:38:49
things or or not specifically quoting movies but just again grabbing window dressing that that that comes to mind
01:38:56
right when they think of oh what would a what would a kidnapper who wants a ransom right right what what do I think
01:39:02
a ransom letter should look like and that's why I think it it's what what I believe and I'll go forward moving
01:39:10
forward with this is that I believe the ransom note is the ransom letter is a complete farce and that either points to
01:39:18
it points to motive for me either it's a cover up an inside job that had to be covered up or it was in fact an intruder
01:39:27
and the whole purpose of the ransom letter was constructed in advance and it was constructed to slow the
01:39:34
investigation to to delay the start of the investigation maybe the parents don't call 911 right away because
01:39:42
they're scared and they believe the letter they believe they're going to get their daughter back that doesn't have to
01:39:49
have any indicator whether the author knew in advance that they were going to take the girl or or kill the girl inside
01:39:56
it has no nothing to do with that at all it just points everything in this letter
01:40:01
points to me that nobody had any intention of collecting okay so crispy colel if if you had to bet right right
01:40:11
now if if if you had to wager your whole life savings mhm $118,000 8,00 000 and you had to wager that against a
01:40:24
small foreign faction is this coming from inside the Ramsay family or is this coming from outside the Ramsey family
01:40:34
okay I would walk up to the window to the the bedding window and I would place $59,000 that the author of the letter
01:40:46
was an intruder M and then I would place my I would wager my remaining $59,000 that one of the Rams or both the
01:40:55
ramies wrote the letter how you like that wager right there yeah that's a horrible answer I'm
01:41:01
going to go if I had to bet it's an [Music] intruder wow what an episode almost 2
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