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citizen who is killed ritualistically and repeatedly consider the phrase run a mck
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which derives from a Malay word translated Loosely as to attack with homicidal Mania believing that a muuk was caused
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by an evil spirit Indonesian culture tolerated these violent outburst and dealt with
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the after effects with no ill will toward the as salent the underlining premise the capacity to kill
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indiscriminately dwells in all of us most people just suppress the urge or avoid the
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spirit still the serial killer occupies a singular role in the cast of Americana here he and the vast majority
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have been male has been hyperbolized and fetishized and even romanticized serial killers are
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responsible for only a small fraction of the murders committed in the US but they are some of the most
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notorious figures in our history and culture says Sarah weinman who runs the newsletter the crime lady serial killing
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is Twisted Fantasy that has roots in the wide open American landscape where it is
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all too easy to hunt and kill without detection and with impunity it was in the 1970s that agents
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Robert westler and John Douglas of the FBI's Behavioral Science unit coined and defined the term serial
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killer distinguishing one from a mass murderer who may kill many at once or spree killer who lacks a so-called
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cooling off period between murders indeed the 70s marked the Crimson stained height of Serial killing
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in the US in that era there were a number of factors working in the as salant favor
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from lack gun laws to the popularity of psychedelic drugs to the sprawling interstate highway system and cheap
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gas and from the dir of surveillance technology to the spotty coordination among police precincts it may never have
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been easier to avoid getting caught taken from John wortheim si.com longform article titled the I5 killer
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this is true crime G [Music] garage we start off on the evening of December 9th 1980 in Vancouver
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Washington a 20-year-old female attendant is working the second shift at a gas station when seemingly out of
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nowhere a man suddenly appears he was tall with dark hair and on his face he had what was very obviously a fake beard
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before the attendant knew it the man was standing right in front of her and he had a gun the man told her to open up
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the register and give him the money she did as he requested he then told her to to turn
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around and just like that he was gone the robbery was reported and the attendant provided police with a
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description of a young dark-haired man who was tall and had an athletic body type and it was with this very quick but
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very terrifying event that a series of robberies and holdups started just Days Later an ice cream
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parlor was hit the next day a drive-in restaurant the robberies occurred in both Washington and Oregon but then on
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December 21st a different type of report came in 200 M away from the hold up at the
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drive-in restaurant in Seattle Washington a woman working at Church's Fried Chicken reported that before 900
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p.m. she was in the women's restroom washing her hands and face when a man walked in he said excuse me but he did
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not leave instead he locked the door behind him he put the gun to her head and said do what I say and you won't get
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hurt he then forced her to perform a sex act and immediately after the assault he
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left but not before telling her to count to 100 before she dared to exit the restroom she obeyed and then out of fear
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she stayed in the restroom screaming for help a coworker called police the victim gave a description of
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her attacker a tall man with dark hair and a small silver gun who was the man with the silver gun who seemed to appear
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out of nowhere well Mr fake weird beard was was he wearing a beard during this attack so we have a several robberies
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that take place and we have at least one sexual assault but in these cases most of these
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cases he is wearing what is a fake beard and it's not even like a good fake beard
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because the Witnesses are able to tell law enforcement is there a such thing as a good figure I don't I don't think
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there is but if there is I've never seen one I know in one of the attacks that the the beard was like hanging off his
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face it wasn't really even attached to his face very well the other key thing about these robberies is the witnesses
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will always tell law enforcement that the weird thing of the man seeming to just appear out of nowhere and these
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are all storefronts and gas stations and drive up restaurants so what they mean by him appearing out of nowhere it's not
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like they saw him get out of a car and walk into the establishment and then hold up the place they said that they
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would turn around or look up from whatever they were doing and he was standing right in front of them by
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January of 1981 law enforcement had dubbed the robber the I5 Bandit this given his
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apparent preference for committing crimes along the interstate 5 Corridor on January 8th he held up the same
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Vancouver gas station he had robbed in December 3 days later on January 11th he robbed a market in Eugene the next day
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on the 12th he shot and wounded a female grocery clerk at a store in southernland
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Oregon in some of these robberies the man had a Band-Aid or a piece of tape across the bridge of his nose when he
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shot and robbed the grocery clerk in order he had two Band-Aids across the bridge
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of his nose the woman survived and the man made off with over $300 in cash the bullet went into the woman's shoulder
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and out through her back police recovered the bullet it was now evidence and a possible witness reported seeing a
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VW Bug parked just outside of the grocery store around the time of the attack and we all know that's not good
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this leads us to Salem Oregon Jan January 18th 1981 just before 10: p.m. an emergency call comes in the caller is
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a woman and she is asking for help she tells the operator that we have been shot a trace is put on the call and the
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call is coming from the Trans American title building squad cars and an ambulance are sent racing toward the
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building the operator ask the woman for her name the caller is having trouble speaking her voice is faint and her
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breathing is weak fighting through the pain the caller says her name is Beth Wilmont and that they need to hurry
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because we have been shot in the head and Beth is pretty sure her best friend Sherry Hall is already dead the operator
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asks who shot you Beth says it was a man but she did not know him Beth and Sherry
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were at the transamerican building cleaning the office when a man walked in she said the man was a above average
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height with dark hair and a Band-Aid on his nose the man was wearing a coat and jeans and he was in his mid to late 20s
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Beth said again and again that her friend Sherry is dying Beth was afraid that the man was going to return now a
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police officer arrived at the scene he arrives there first and he's alone the emergency caller did not know if the
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shooter was still in the building the officer knowing the general layout out of the building he knew if he entered he
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would become the perfect Target should the shooter remain inside but by the description of the attack and the
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injuries he heard on his police radio he also knew if he didn't go in the two women inside would surely die so with a
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gun drawn the officer kicked open the door and entered the operator stayed on the line until the ambulance arrived the
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shooter thankfully had left B somehow survived this attack Sherry did not despite her being shot in the head
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twice luckily neither bullet penetrated Beth's skull and she lived and she remembered a lot about the attack and
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about the attacker in horrific detail she was later able to describe both two detectives the two women Beth and Sherry
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were best friends and they operated an evening and weekend cleaning business that Sunday night they were cleaning the
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Trans American Building they were almost done and getting ready to leave and go home for the night Sherry unlocked the
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front door went out to the parking lot started up her red Bronco she left it running and went back into the building
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just to finish up a few things just then a man with a silver gun and a Band-Aid on his nose entered the building he
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ordered the women to a room in the back once there he threatens them he makes them take off all of their clothes he
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sexually assaulted both of the women when he was done he told both of them to lay face down on the floor next to each
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other then standing over top of them he shot Sherry in the head then he shot Beth in the head then Sherry again then
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Beth again and then Sherry then he left well Beth after being shot the first time she kind of
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plays dead which is possibly what saved her life yeah Beth went on to say that she knew the man would just keep
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shooting them if they moved so after that first shot she made herself lie completely still and silent but we do
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know he shot her again anyway this probably just to make sure that she was dead and Beth said that she was lucky
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because the man shot Sherry three times and she was only shot twice police were able to retrieve some
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evidence from the crime scene but we have to keep in mind how difficult of a situation this would be to collect
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evidence one we have a guy that seems like neither of the victim even knew so what was he doing there in the first
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place but then on top of that we have First Responders who their main objective their first goal arriving on
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the scene is to preserve life is to save the lives of these victims right and when they arrived on the scene both of
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these women they were alive but they're both clinging clinging to life they're very close to death and so we have a
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situation of the police they have to go in to save lives they have First Responders we have we have U medical
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technicians there everybody is working and really they're trampling and and contaminating this the scene plus we
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have the added factor of this is taking place in a building and the police have to go in there and clear the building
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building to make sure that the shooter is not still in this building luckily they are able to retrieve some evidence
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from this crime scene and they might have got lucky here because this is some pretty decent evidence so first they
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find a single hair which after some testing and comparing it to First Responders they believed and the victims
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they believed this hair to be from the suspect they also were able to retrieve the suspect's blood type was it a real
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hair or was it a fake hair this was a real hair my friend and they retrieved the suspect's blood type which they
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later determined to be B negative this is also a good thing for them because it eliminates quite a good deal of the male
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population they also had a living witness and most importantly they found a bullet now obviously we know there
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were five shots so there was more than one bullet but one bullet was in great condition this was a 32 caliber and
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because of its condition they were able to narrow it down to just a few different guns meaning they had a very
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good idea of what kind of gun fired this bullet right are they making the connection that this is their I5 Bandit
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yet they have not but then we have this situation that is just 16 days later and
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it's about 380 Mi away and right off i5 just north of Reading California there was another attack and this time it
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ended in a double homicide just before 900 p.m. on February 3rd 1981 a young woman came home and the
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house looked empty she called out as she walked the house but no one answered when she reached the upstairs she came
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into a bedroom and discovered the lifeless bodies of Donna eard and Janelle Jarvis each had been shot several times
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in the head one of the women was bound at the wrist and ankles and her mouth and nose were covered with surgical tape
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detectives quickly deduced that both were alive and well just Less Than 3 hours earlier this because of a phone
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call that took place with Donna yeah because the person that was on that phone call is also the person that found
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the bodies yeah Donna told the caller that she and Janelle were going to go down to Jake's Market to pick up some
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some items for breakfast the next day now inside of one of the women's pants pocket detectives found a handwritten
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check made out to Jake's Market interviews conducted at Jake's Market determined that the two never
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made it to Jakes someone had intercepted them right law enforcement also determined that the victim had only been
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dead maybe an hour before they were discovered they were both killed with a 32 caliber gun now back in Salem we have
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Beth Wilmont the one who almost died was shot in the head twice she is recovering
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from her two gunshot wounds to the head and to everyone's surprise she is healing much faster than
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anticipated she's able to give detectives a description of the man that killed her friend and that tried
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unsuccessfully to kill her now with some good old-fashioned detective work the Salem Police were now working under the
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theory and suspicion that the killer was not a local this leads them to sending out a teletype to police offices in
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other jurisdictions in other states now they are asking if any Community had experienced a similar homicide
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immediately they got a response from the Reading California area after comparing
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notes they firmly believed that the two cases were linked they were in fact the same type of crimes same caliber gun and
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both right along the I5 Corridor then Salem released the following description to other
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jurisdictions and to other states Salem police were looking for a male white 25 to 28 years old 5'1 to 6'1 in tall
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medium build described as good build with dark hair possibly curly collar length and dark eyes pale or light
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complexion described as being goodlooking and has sad eyes with more white showing below the iris the suspect
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wears a black or orange knit cap a green hooded coat Brown cord or sheep skin lined jacket green windbreaker the coats
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always buttoned blue jeans and all incidences white tennis shoes with red stripe blue driving type gloves with
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open back they go on to describe the gun that is believed to have been used in these crimes a possible H&R break top
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six shot revolver vehicle a 66 or later light colored VW Bug possibly modified in some
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manner now keep in mind regarding this vehicle that's more of a suspicion rather than their saying that we've seen
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this in all of these incidences right and because we have multiple attacks and robberies and such that have taking
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place we have a different description of what this suspect could be wearing after
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the description goes out more police agencies contacted Salem the description matched that of the robberies and
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holdups that we previously discussed and in the following February 3rd in reading
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a female store clerk was kidnapped raped and a holdup an identical crime was reported in wika on February 4th with
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the same man robbing in Ashlin Oregon motel that same night 5 days later in Corvalis a man matching the description
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held up a fabric store molesting the clerk and a customer before he left on February 12th there were robberies
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committed in Vancouver Olympia and bellw Washington the Olympia and bellw incidences included sexual assaults some
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jurisdictions were looking for the I5 Bandit some jurisdictions were looking for the I5 killer and as police were
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learning the two were one and the same and at this point did they decide to change his name from the I5 killer to
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers so now we have police from several jurisdictions that are now in community
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Comm unication with each other they are sharing the details of the robberies the
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assaults and the murders and what evidence and witness statements they may have these are dedicated detectives
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determined to solving these murders and ending this crime spree and to ensure that they can track this guy down they
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want to know everything about him so they start to put together a psychological profile and list out what
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is known about the offender modus operand here is what they come up with they are
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looking for a male caucasian who has a macho image of himself recently divorced or separated from a lover recently
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released from penal or mental institution this man would be described as a nice guy and would not be
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considered a suspect by a friend or neighbors the motivation in all of these incidents is primarily sexual he is a
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loner some things to consider the offender has not hit Portland OR Moma County does not
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like location with men present has not hit outside of time span they had narrowed down most of these attacks to
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taking place in the early evening hours so when they reference time span that's what they are stating this is with the
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exception of one incident that took place in February in Eugene Oregon the offender has only hit one convenience
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store takes Band-Aid off when fleeing tape is an unknown brand now this is tape that was used to to bind
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the victims and also we have to consider that on some of these attacks it's not a
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Band-Aid across the bridge of his nose it is some type of tape the individual Parks one to four
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blocks away from the scene is never seen by the clerk prior to the incident they
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go on to say that they suspect that the individual may be hiding glasses marks on nose with the Band-Aid or the tape
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they go on to discuss the offender's method of operation stating that the offender
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picks a location where young girls are working or likely to work he prefers to hit in the evening hours between 5:40
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p.m. and 11:00 p.m. only attack during slack times of operation this is when the businesses
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would not be busy there wouldn't be a lot of traffic in and out of these businesses he is armed with a 32 caliber
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nickel-plated revolver he ties or tapes victims has victim disroe but he stays dressed in 13 of these 23 incidences
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there were sexual assaults the older female victims are only fondled the offender is softspoken
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and not verbally abusive he takes the victims to the back room no drug alcohol or tobacco odors
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are detected by victims he has never seen casing the businesses he has his own vehicle Parks
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up to four blocks away wears Band-Aid on nose and he has used a wig and or fake beard as a disguise he also takes the
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telephone receiver away from the scene this occurred in almost all of the attacks in which there was somebody shot
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or some type of sexual assault this seemingly so he they can't call police immediately after he
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leaves the hood of his jacket always stays on and he wears gloves but may take them off to fondle the victims he
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has victims count to 100 as he is leaving the scene well the first question for me becomes the true motive
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you know cuz they're not convinced that all these what there's 23 attacks and robberies 13 of them sexual it seems
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like to me that there's a double motive and it's not just sexual it's this guy needs money yeah I agree with that he
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needs money but also the he also needs this this sexual satisfaction yeah because that's if if
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the the primary motive is simply money he's putting himself at a much greater risk to assault these women agreed but
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it's but in every scenario there is money taken correct um I don't think that there was in the first sexual
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assault that we okay described where he walked into the restroom where the woman
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was already in there but it's like escalating right like it it seems like there was a couple robberies and then
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once he figured it's almost like this guy figured out I can control this situation enough that not only do I get
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money but now I can then the motive then become sexual I actually think what what's going on here is kind of a a
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two-pronged motive one I think you're absolutely right this guy needs the money but I think money is mainly
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secondary to his motivation for these crimes I think sexual is the the primary motivating Factor here I think that in
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situations where we have a robbery that occurs and there is not a sexual assault
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I think there's something else going on there one it could be practice to see how much he believes he can control a
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situation right and to also just kind of see what's going to go down and then later determine okay I it's safe for me
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to be here for a longer period of time I'm more comfortable controlling these victims and more comfortable controlling
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the scene of the robbery and so I think that the primary motivating factor here is the sexual aspect but I also think
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that in some of these situations he could either get spooked and just want to get the money and get out of there
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yeah or he sees a situation where he thinks they might fight back or he might not be able to control the situation
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what I'm getting at is there's some variable there that comes into play in the situations where sexual assault does
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not occur that we probably will never understand well he also might be looking for a certain type correct because he's
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just going into these random places almost well and that's what I think that the police are trying to point out here
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where they say his motivation you know one of his methods of operation is he picks locations where young women are
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working or likely to work right okay and then when he's fondling older women he's
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just fondling them mhm so so it does appear he has some type of right victimology some type that he may be
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looking for in these sexual assaults the interesting thing here though too is like you pointed out in this situation
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they're never going to be 100% certain that all 23 of these incidences are in fact connected and committed by the same
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offender so what they do is when they're pulling together their their information
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that they know things that they know occurred during the the committing of these crimes and things that the
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offender said and did his actions they're comparing notes and these these lists that they're providing us now mind
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you this is not something that they wanted to send out there but they're not so much putting it forward to the public
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they're just sharing it with other jurisdictions and other states mhm this is a time when jurisdictions didn't
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always work together very well or cooperate together and I'm sure well the technology wasn't there as well and I'm
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sure on some level it took some convincing from One Police Department to another to point out that we may be
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dealing with the same guy and we all need this to stop because not only is this guy hitting all these places and
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he's this is a rapid fire attack here we're talking about 23 incidences in in a short period of time well they mention
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somebody that might have just got out of a relationship somebody that just got maybe divorced yeah or recently release
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from a a Penitentiary or a mental institution yeah which would then go with the whole no job thing I'd also put
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on that description possibly a guy that recently just lost a a a job or job opportunity because again that money
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it's it's always there the sexual assaults are not always there but it's almost in every case there is some money
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uh being taken now 300 bucks is not and I think one of the cases it was 300 bucks not a huge amount of money but I
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wonder if that's cuz this guy knows I'm just going to keep doing this again so what does it matter if I just if I only
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get 300 he's not doing anything that is setting himself up for a big takeover well and obviously we didn't go through
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through all 23 of those those situations because it's just too much to list out and just too much to go through but on
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some occasions he's hitting more than one place where where there's a robbery and or sexual assault he's hitting more
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than one place in the same day right so like you said he's he's going he knows he's going to rob again he knows that
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regardless if it's $10 or $100 in the till they are there will be another robbery soon well right and I like the
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fact that they say look he only hit one convenience store and so there was something about that convenience store
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whether it was too difficult to take over maybe it was too difficult to control uh is the more customers the
00:36:13
possibility of more customers than he can control the situation or is it just simply uh there was there was not enough
00:36:20
money there um is that one of the reasons why he only hit one convenience store well we
00:36:27
should also keep in mind back we're not talking about something that took place five or 10 years ago these crimes that
00:36:34
we've describe so far here are 1980 1981 so back then we have an average salary in the United States of like 13
00:36:44
to 14,000 so right 300 bucks is is a good hit for him we're we're talking about this is a
00:36:52
guy that is probably pulling down enough be it whether there's a little bit of money or something more substantial like
00:36:59
$300 that he might be able to survive off of just these hits just off of these robberies so where you say that somebody
00:37:08
we should Alo factor in and consider somebody who recently lost a job I think you're spot on there because what
00:37:16
they're pointing out with what yeah what they're pointing out here is recently divorced or separated from a girlfriend
00:37:22
or lover you're adding in loss of job or loss of opportunity that's fantastic because they want to know something
00:37:32
triggered this yeah we we have the similar description in all of these incidences so something triggered this
00:37:39
and once that that trigger was set this guy hit the ground running and he committed a lot of crimes and at a fast
00:37:47
pace so they want to know what what was preventing him from doing this in the first place maybe he was married and
00:37:56
didn't need need to didn't need the money yeah it's weird though too because he's um described as
00:38:03
attractive so you would think if again I lean to that idea where they where they're saying oh well possibly he was
00:38:13
in a relationship or married some kind of sexual needs were being met and for some reason now here's this attractive
00:38:22
man he's newly single and instead of going and trying to meet another mate this is how he uh is going about his
00:38:32
life now yeah and some of our listeners do not like when they hear the description that's put forward by law
00:38:39
enforcement that the offender is described as good-looking and I get that but this is a quick reminder that
00:38:47
monsters don't always look like Monsters right and we have this situation here where in some of these incidences you
00:38:55
know they're ask asking questions to these victims saying be it for robbery or sexual assault or what have you
00:39:03
they're asking them very simple things to try to lead them to who the offender is you know what did anything seem off
00:39:12
was there anything weird going on or did you notice anything out of the ordinary
00:39:16
before the attack occurred well no I didn't notice anything nothing seemed off that day so that's where they're
00:39:24
going they're saying well it does appear that he is casing the business that he's
00:39:29
watching the business and then hitting right that take too much time there seems to be a frequency here and then
00:39:36
the the the added factor of they say well he's parking his vehicle one to four blocks away and fleeing the scene
00:39:46
that's they can simply come up with that by going okay after the attack did you hear or see a vehicle leave the property
00:39:54
leave the premise no did did not and none of them so they know that this guy is fleeing on foot furthermore when it
00:40:02
comes to the goodlooking thing I I know of one of these incidences where when the victim was asked is there anything
00:40:10
was there anything weird or out of the ordinary before the attack she said that the the strangest thing occurred before
00:40:18
the attack is that a this this dirty looking younger guy came in and she said the man had a threatening
00:40:28
appearance and the guy said to her something to the effect of you know this would be an incredibly easy place to Rob
00:40:36
mhm and this put her on edge well this this threatening looking individual according to her statement made a made a
00:40:44
small purchase and then left and she said the oddest thing about this whole holdup to her was that shortly after
00:40:52
this weird looking dude left this this goodlooking tall man clean cut comes in and I my guard was down because of his
00:41:02
appearance and then he's the one that robs me so that's where we have that statement of of possibly goodlooking
00:41:10
right have we have we had any other statements like that before that that they saw a dirty guy I I'm only throwing
00:41:17
that out there because we have a guy that's wearing possibly wearing wigs and wearing uh fake beard and then with the
00:41:25
whole tape on the nose it's really like he's trying to do the the tape on the nose thing is
00:41:32
weird or the Band-Aid on the nose cuz to me one it's like uh broken nose MH or possibly you know to open up the nose a
00:41:44
little bit and I would only say that because possibly he's parking you know very far away some
00:41:53
people you know I'm just throwing out straws there you know is is he wearing this because he's sprinting to and from
00:41:59
the places um but we have these disguises this this guy putting on a disguise and going in there and and
00:42:07
casing The Joint they say he's not casing The Joint but what if he's casing The Joint as as an another
00:42:14
character well I have to believe that they were just wrong about that in some form
00:42:23
because you don't get lucky 23 times you don't go into a business 23 times and commit some kind of crime and then get
00:42:30
away scottf free right that's just playing the numbers game there it doesn't add up so I have to believe that
00:42:37
in some way yeah but there's a lot that you can learn from parking two blocks away from a place and then approaching
00:42:45
it you know what I mean there's so I I think their statement is almost um bogus by default well I don't
00:42:53
think he was sitting there for hours or on multiple days watching AG these businesses what we see is somebody who
00:43:00
is offending in multiple jurisdictions and we're talking a lot of these are hundreds of miles away from each other
00:43:08
but they're all off of this I5 interstate so I think this is somebody with a good knowledge of that interstate
00:43:17
and the businesses along the way I think this is somebody that probably travels the I5 a good deal and in his travels
00:43:26
maybe he's he's learning he's doing a bit of Intel along the way and he can make he can make a side note and say
00:43:33
that gas station that I stopped at tonight that I got gas from I didn't stop there to case The Joint I stopped
00:43:39
there because my tank was low and I needed gas oh it was 8:30 p.m. there was a young woman working alone in the gas
00:43:47
station it's Thursday and there was no other customers here and you could just make a quick mental note of that and say
00:43:54
you know what if I'm back in Eugene Oregon on this date you know on on this day next week at 8:00 p.m. this might be
00:44:02
a spot to hit and then with the disguise stuff I love the the suspicion or the the question
00:44:10
of could the tape or Band-Aid be used for hiding glasses marks on the nose you know that this would be somebody that in
00:44:19
his everyday life he wears glasses but that could be an identifier so when committing these crimes
00:44:26
he is not wearing these glasses and to cover that up he's put this Band-Aid or tape across the bridge of his nose and I
00:44:34
think that's an easy conclusion to come up with I I think it's creative but where you make that leap is you know
00:44:42
that he's used fake a fake beard in more than one occasion so he is making some attempt at disguising himself right and
00:44:51
he may have taken it a step further and come up with this idea to use the bandaid or the tape across the bridge of
00:44:58
his nose well and even with the the fake beard or or the tape or the Band-Aid like it it causes a distraction from
00:45:06
natural features so yeah I mean even if it's not really so much to cover up you know a broken nose or or the glasses
00:45:14
marks on the on the bridge of the nose it's almost it just creates a distraction in general and then I
00:45:21
thought about the frequency of how much this is happening like you said there could be um a robbery one day and then
00:45:29
and later that day uh sexual assault and so to me that leans towards possible like alcoholism or some addiction but
00:45:39
but they're not smelling any alcohol and there's no like it seems like this guy is coming in and they're going he was uh
00:45:49
not suspicious so there's almost no signs of drug activity well and I think you're right there this
00:45:58
to me would point to a very organized offender we have somebody that is has determined that it's best for him to
00:46:06
park not near the business and to enter and leave on foot he is arriving and he's attempting to
00:46:14
disguise himself he's wearing gloves in all of these incidences so he's not leaving fingerprints behind he's also
00:46:23
very organized in the way that he controls the situation and really follows almost the same script each time
00:46:32
you know taking the the victim to the back room where they're concealed and so I think we are dealing
00:46:39
with somebody that might not be incredibly intelligent but he's at least good at
00:46:46
doing this thing and he is organized in the sense that that's why I go you know to back up what the victims were saying
00:46:55
no drug alcohol or tobacco odors he doesn't he does not appear to be out of control in any of these
00:47:04
situations he doesn't appear to be out of his mind or drunk or anything like that he's not making a lot of mistakes
00:47:10
well they're also point out that he doesn't hit he didn't hit a couple areas uh like all of his attacks were
00:47:17
outside those areas and so that makes you wonder do they believe that he's from that area that he's not attacking
00:47:25
at because he's would be more likely to be known in those areas yeah that was Portland and or molo County as well as
00:47:36
he only hit uh Eugene Oregon seems to be a place that he has hit but only once maybe
00:47:45
during all of this so you're right when we have all of these attacks now he does
00:47:50
have hundreds of miles to choose from for these attacks but for whatever reason he seems to be staying out of
00:47:57
those areas but while we were saying that they're they can never be 100% convinced that all of these incidences
00:48:05
are in fact all linked to one another the very interesting thing here is when they're comparing notes they're seeing
00:48:13
the same stuff in in these all 23 of these things we we got the offender actions the way that he speaks to the
00:48:21
victims we also have a very similar description and all of these incidences as well as the same description of the
00:48:30
weapon used during which so it's good that they're sharing information it's bad that they now know that they're
00:48:37
dealing with a guy that is roaming basically the the countryside and roaming the the west coast up and down
00:48:45
the I5 and he doesn't seem to be stopping or even slowing down when committing these crimes on February 15th
00:48:54
now keep in mind captain and this is just 3 days after multiple attacks took place on the 12th 18-year-old Julianne
00:49:03
writes she is at a party she is leaving that party this is around 2: a.m. she tells all of her friends that she is
00:49:11
heading home Julianne wries lives with her mother at Southwest cherryh Hill Drive this is in Beaverton Oregon mhm
00:49:20
now her mother is out of town that night and when her mother Returns the next day
00:49:26
she finds the body of Julie wries finding her lying nude on the stairs her hair Blood Stained she had been shot
00:49:34
point blank in the head yeah the time of death was later determined to be between
00:49:40
3 and 4 a.m. police recovered a 38 caliber bullet from the victim there was an eyewitness statement that said that
00:49:51
the only thing that he noticed out of the ordinary was that he had seen a VW Bug driving up and down Julie street
00:49:59
that night police went on to interview about 150 people who were closest to Julie who
00:50:07
were in her Social Circles they believe that none of the people they interviewed made for a good
00:50:15
suspect now this case is not connected to the I5 killer for one simple fact the police were working under the suspicion
00:50:27
that Julie knew her killer they base this off of what they found at the crime scene Julie wries had shared a glass of
00:50:36
wine with her attacker and she had also was in the process of preparing coffee for two okay and somewhere in this
00:50:46
process she is gunned down by her as salent so what we have here is you come up with well why did they come up with
00:50:54
this well this is easy to put together they know that Julie lives with her mother when's the last time you saw
00:51:01
Julie what time were you last at your home oh I Julie was already gone for the day I left when I returned I find my
00:51:10
daughter dead we know that Julie came home that night and then they find wine glasses and somebody you know evidence
00:51:18
to suggest that somebody was in the process of making or serving coffee so where under the assumption that Julie
00:51:29
knew the killer well enough to let the individual into the home and spend some time talking with him but we have a
00:51:37
sexual assault and we have shots to the Head mhm so this is why they are very interested in interviewing all the
00:51:47
people that are closest to her these are your obvious this is your obvious go-to they believe that out of those 50
00:51:55
people approximate 150 people that none of the people that they interviewed made
00:52:00
for a good suspect this points them to a different thought that their suspect is
00:52:05
known to the victim Julie writes but would be on the fringes of her life and Social Circles yeah they're going to
00:52:14
have to go back and reinw all of these people or a good majority of them this is because now they're not looking at
00:52:22
any of those individuals as actual suspects they are wanting to get more information from them on who are the
00:52:28
people that that kind of knew Julie is there anyone that stands out is there a guy that she might have known they come
00:52:36
up with two or three different people out of this group of 150 that mention a name of an individual that Julie had
00:52:45
some type of relationship with it seems like they they work together at one point this man took her on a date maybe
00:52:54
two but Julie didn't really want a relationship with this individual the name that's presented to
00:53:01
them is Randall Woodfield he is somebody that worked at the faucet with Julie wries this was a
00:53:10
bar and I believe that Woodfield was a bouncer or possibly a bartender he he worked from time to time as a bouncer
00:53:18
and or bartender at some of these different bars this faucet bar is located in Portland so not terribly far away
00:53:27
apparently he didn't last very long working at this bar because yeah he must have been a bouncer because it says in
00:53:34
my notes here that he was let go because he didn't didn't seem comfortable removing people from the ball so they
00:53:42
want to track down this Randy Woodfield and give him a a strong looking at give him the business well the the other
00:53:50
added Factor here too is one of the one of the individuals that Supply police with his name says you know what do you
00:53:58
know about this guy well I know that he he did some time or got in trouble for some robberies years
00:54:05
ago okay so now we have a guy that actually fits what they're looking for that's on the fringes of her life and
00:54:12
Social Circles and then on top of that it's a guy with a record right but riddle me
00:54:18
this is he wearing a fake beard uh well police do once they have his name they want to go talk to him MH
00:54:29
because it's very simple th this is our next guy in line here this is somebody that is pointed out to us by two or
00:54:37
three of the people that knew Julianne WS so let's go talk to him because he could either be a suspect or if he has
00:54:46
an alibi that is good then we can clear him and move on with our investigation so they have to travel out
00:54:54
to Eugene Oregon and they meet with Randy Woodfield he answers the door when they knock and they're talking to him
00:55:02
and early on in their conversation they say hey we do you know somebody named Julianne
00:55:11
rights and he says no I can't place the name I don't know anybody by that name to which police follow up with the
00:55:20
question of well would you mind coming to our Police Department And discussing some things with us there right because
00:55:27
this is what's going to set off some alarm bells for the investigators we have a guy that wants
00:55:34
to lie about knowing Julianne rits who was found murdered yet we have at least two or three people that say not only
00:55:41
did they know each other but there was some type of involvement which which is interesting because this happens a lot
00:55:49
in cases it's it's when the PE when the person lies about knowing the victim the
00:55:56
red flags go up mhm but me and you we're we're so we're good with faces bad with names and so it's like I
00:56:06
could totally see you being interviewed by the police and then and them asking you do you know so and so and you going
00:56:15
I don't think so you know um I get that but one one of the Witnesses are saying that they went on a date together the
00:56:24
other is saying that Randy was pursuing aggressively pursuing a relationship with Julianne WS so it
00:56:31
wasn't even it wasn't just it's not they wor together it's not that yeah it's not
00:56:35
that they just happened to cross paths and work together for a brief time period together and on top of that when
00:56:41
he worked at the faucet was less than half a year less than six months before they're questioning him about Julianne
00:56:49
right it's not a it's not a good deal of time and it's also others perception that they were at least friends or went
00:56:57
on a date together right right I would say the the friends are being pursued by this guy that's definitely more of a
00:57:04
reason why he would know her than that they worked at a a bar together which ton of you know there's a ton of
00:57:12
turnover at bars too so well and think about this from ry's perspective because he doesn't know everything that the
00:57:18
investigators that are talking to him he doesn't not know what they know right and he is Technically when he's asked
00:57:26
that question he's in a no win situation this is lose lose baby because if he says yes I do know her well they've
00:57:34
already stated that they are looking for somebody that knew her as a very good suspect but when he says no I did not
00:57:42
know her this makes it a double whammy because now they want to know why one we're looking for somebody that knows
00:57:49
her but why does this man want to lie and say that he does not know her [Music] thank you so much for joining us back in
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