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some true [Music] crime on October 17th 1983 on a typically quiet Monday morning in a
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residential Community located in Franklin Township a panic crazed Young woman clothed only in an ill-fitting
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blue bathrobe with her head shaved and handcuffs dangling from her left wrist was pounding on the door of a home
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located in Melody village now to be clear Captain this Franklin Township that we are talking about is located
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along the kyoga river in Northeast Ohio the homeowner opened the door trying to comfort the traumatized woman asking
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what was wrong to which the woman responded call the police call the police between lapses into hysterical
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sobbing that staggered even hard-bitten police officers she said to police that she had been abducted at gunpoint around
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10:15 p.m. the night before in a Mahoning County filling station while she was working a shift alone she went
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on to tell police that she was handcuffed and forced to lay down in a van and she could not see where her
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abductor was taking her after traveling what seemed like a good amount of distance she felt the van turn into a
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driveway and heard a garage door open she could tell that the van had pulled into a garage then she heard the door
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activated once again this time closing behind the van she was now trapped her abductor ordered her out of the van and
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through a door the garage was attached to a home as terrified as she was she could not help but to notice how normal
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the place looked in fact the home was extremely neat and tidy once inside the man quickly started in with the name
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calling and degrading this woman and threatening her with pain and death she was maliciously instructed to undress he
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handcuffed her to a weight bench during the next approximate 9 hours he raped and forced her to perform a series of
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sex acts during the course of which she was tortured with electrical shock torture her head was shaved a plastic
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bag was placed over her head and taped around the neck until she passed out she was punched in her stomach and chest
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area and beaten with a belt until she bled then after the hours of Torment she was handcuffed and tied face down on a
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bed her captor after threatening his prisoner told her he was leaving for work and he would return in about 3
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hours within minutes she was able to escape the home running out the front door into the streets of this quiet
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neighborhood eventually arriving on the doorstep of a neighboring house across the street where someone answer the door
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and the police were called yeah could I imagine what's going through her head at
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that time and also couldn't imagine what was going through the neighbor's head when this
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lady comes upon your your front door yeah the call came in around 8:30 a.m. the distress call and at 11:00 a.m. this
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guy Robert Bob bule returned to his three-bedroom slab house where he was of course greeted by police and quickly
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handcuffed they should have just punched him right in the dick and then cuffed him Bob bule was the homeowner and of
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course this woman is going to be able to identify him as her abductor attacker torturer uh the list goes on and on this
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obviously Captain will be an open and shut case police had the woman's story they had blood and marks to prove it and
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police were going through the home when Robert bule returned home at 11:00 a.m. yeah got him they found the weight bench
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they found liat some still tied to bed post they found the man's gun that the victim said was used in the abduction
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they also found weapons and torture devices one of which is described as electrical cord or extension cord
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basically cut in half with wires fully exposed on one end and the other end fully intact so you could still plug it
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into the wall electrical out yeah this guy's an animal scumbag piece of [ __ ] as said this was an open
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and shut case but based off of the atrocities carried out by Bob bule now the question is what is this guy capable
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of fully capable of and has he done anything more that we should be aware of so when they're tearing through his
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house building their case against him for this woman who thankfully she got out of there she managed to escape this
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house of [ __ ] they're starting to find things there at his home that they're going wait a second this is matching up
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with some of the physical evidence that we found at the Christa Harmon body disposal site right remember they had a
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lot of physical evidence a lot of items that were found near her body they found
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cardboard boxes a plastic for lack of better word plastic trash bag they found some clothing item items and this is
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very interesting to them because now they think they know what this monster is capable of but what else has this guy
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done yeah I mean the the abduction is sophisticated the the ways in which he tortured this
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victim you could say it's sophisticated it's not doesn't seem like this is his first time that's right going off of the
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witness statement off of the victim statements it seems like one of two things either this guy's done this
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before because he seems very precise and deliberate with his commands and his demands with his victim that either this
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guy's done this before or this was incredibly well rehearsed to the point where everything was going according to
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his plan so who is this guy Robert Anthony bule Robert Anthony bule was born September 10th 1940 in Norwood Ohio
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he grew up a Skinny kid and his parents called him Butchie at home better than douchy he was the first of two children
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born to a family that was described as destined to disintegrate he attended Williams Avenue Elementary School in
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Norwood this was a working class suburb of Cincinnati his mother was a waitress she would tell her children
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that their father was no good that he drank all the family's money away like the colel so this soon would lead to the
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separation of Robert's parents custody of the children was awarded to the mother
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shortly after the divorce the children were put into boarding school in 1959 Robert graduated from Norwood High
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School in October of 61 he enlist in the US Navy where he became an Electronics technician when he left Cincinnati
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Robert seemed to have slammed the door on his past especially on his family in 1962 he gets married and in 1965 he and
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his wife welcome into this world Robert's only child this is a daughter that same year he is honorably
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discharged from the US Navy Robert Bob bule enrolls at the University of akan taking night classes in 1968 Bob moves
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into the quiet residential community of Melody Village in Summit County Ohio so this case when our victim breaks free
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and escapes his home this takes place way back in 1983 right but Robert bu had moved into
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this home in 1968 so like you pointed out you couldn't imagine what's going through her head and and and all the
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horrible things she's been put through but the neighbors as well because this is a guy that was known in the community
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yeah I mean anybody that lives in lived there for 15 years right he's a he's a fixture in that Community Bob then works
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as a loone officer for centran Bank centran bank in akan Ohio now in 1975 Bob bule takes a job working as a loan
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and Grant specialist this is a job change for him but a loan and Grant specialist in the akan planning
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Department's rehabilitation program so he takes this job in 1975 captain and he's still working there in 83 when this
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woman manages to escape from his home that's the job he was going off to and it looks like he was going to return to
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his prisoner on his lunch break I'm guessing right where he's then greeted by police yeah but so I'm guessing at
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this point he's not married yeah they separated and there's no child living at that location well they separated and
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this is it seems to be there there was probably some other things going on but in August of 1978 you think bule was
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arrested in Union Town for public indecency now for this he simply pays a small fine and less than two years later
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record of this conviction is expunged in September of 80 Bob and his wife of 18 years according to what I could find say
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that they mutually decided to call it quits and that's when got their divorce in August of 81 we're going to go
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through some some things that Bob might be suspected of things that were going on in the area yeah so in August of 81 a
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stranger fondles a 13-year-old doy toown girl in the basement of her home and I have very little details about this
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alleged crime here but she would later I identify this quote unquote stranger as
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Bob bule she identifies him picks him out of a a photograph I'm I'm uncertain what this stranger was doing at the home
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I don't know if there was Bob was doing a large party going on uh and it happened to be someone she didn't know
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it it's all a little bit weird without having the details here in this case but what is interesting is afterward after
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this poor girl was fondled in the basement someone starts placing Anonymous phone calls to the home of the
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13-year-old victim right it's a male caller that's asking for the little girl by name that's sicko now it's just two
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months later when Tina Harmon disappeared and was killed in late March of the following year in 1982 an akan
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woman is abducted at knife point from a local mall she is robbed and sexually assaulted by
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the attacker she reports the attack to police but she's unable to identify the as salent less than four months later in
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mid July Christa Harrison who we talked about last week is abducted and killed then September 30th
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1982 a 26-year-old Barberton woman is abducted at gunpoint outside of a Local Tavern the attacker did little to hide
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his identity he forced her to walk with him into a nearby Field this is you know
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off into the distance into the darkness where she was beaten and sexually assaulted now just like our akan victim
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she reports the attack to the local authorities and although the as salent did nothing to hide his face she was
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only able to provide a description of the unknown man that vague description as vague as it is will be similar but
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not spot on to a suspect composite sketch that we saw stemming from the Christa Harrison murder investigation
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yeah I mean if you put Robert up to these these sketches yes they look similar but anybody with like average
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length hair with a mustache white and skinny is going to fit that that that sketch yeah so my thoughts on the sketch
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here and and this is where my mind jumped to a immediately when Bob is picked up for abducting this woman she
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escapes from his home when police show up there that one now they know what this guy is up to I mean these are
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horrible horrible crimes yeah piece of [ __ ] okay this this is beyond just abduction and rape this is this is a
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whole another horrible level here right and police we said that they found some items that were seem to be matching up
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as as far as physical evidence goes to the Christa Harrison murder case but I think and you're right I mean
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these composite sketches are they are vague because it's just a very brief encounter that the witness
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had with with Christa Harrison's abductor right but I mean he looks it it looks to me like somebody sat down
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looking at Robert bule and drew a picture of him that's that's how close I think the
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the composite sketches are to him now it helps him to go undetected that he lives
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a distance away from where these other crimes went down right now just before the spring season of the following year
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so now we are at uh the 1st of March 1983 well and hold on there for a second too because I also think his occupation
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plays into this a little bit and we kind of talked about this in the previous case of the of the shoveled guys the the
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farm hands that get accused of a crime and you go well they they kind of fit that profile if he's a loone officer he
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is showing up every day to work probably in a suit and tie so that I think along
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with um his house and the neighborhood in which he lives I just got a notification that you sent me a picture
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um you know his occupation the place where he lives the neighborhood and then the and the condition of the house in
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which he kept it really is All By Design to throw people off any kind of scent that this guy
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is an animal MH well on the 1st of March in 1983 a male driver of a dark colored
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van approached two young girls ages 13 and 12 in Loi Ohio some people say Loi some people say loie
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he pulls a gun and threatens both of them and attempts to abduct them right then and there the girls immediately
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scream at the sight of the gun and they flee the attacker so this guy was unable
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to control the situation unable to control his targets and with the risk of being spotted by somebody else the wbe
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abductor returns to his van and speeds away into the night now we've talked about this van before or we believe it's
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a like a dark red or a maroon color TI in Windows and has the circle windows in the back well we have a few different
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descriptions based off of witness statements that they believe either a it's often referred to as a dark colored
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van right because what we have here is different Witnesses throw a different color name you know they might one
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witness might say purple one might say brown one might say a dark maroon color right but what is agreed upon is that it
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was a dark full-size van that that was in question for the Christa Harrison case well not to step on your toes but
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does Robert have a van matching this description uh he does and that's where things get a little wonky that's going
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to be ultimately his downfall is this van and Kryptonite this van is very much involved in a lot of these cases be it
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either he uses it to abduct someone or as we're later going to suspect maybe he's using it to transport a body at
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some point as well now what's weird though is with the Christa Harrison case we have a witness who says that they
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thought they spotted a man fleeing the area of the dump site that morning and he described a man but the man was
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driving a car not a van where we're at in the timeline captain we're at the early part of 1983 before we move on too
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far I do want to point out this whole time since August of 1981 remember the Anonymous phone calls
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the these continued periodically off and on to the home of that 13-year-old doy toown victim yeah calls from the Creo
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now on the 8th of March 1983 one of the phone calls is then traced to to the melody Village
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residence of Bob bule got him on May 10th 1983 in a back alley in the Tiny Town of jeromesville Ohio this is
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located in the sticks of Ashlin County a man approached a little girl the encounter starts with a question
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followed by you know everyday pleasantries but ends with him attempting to pull her into his vehicle
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thankfully the girl gets away and after telling her parents this incident is reported to the authorities where the
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child is able to offer a brief description of the vehicle the vehicle is described as a two-door subcompact
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car which turned out to be a Ford Pinto now the very astute and aware child was able to provide authorities with a
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license plate number for the guy that tried to abduct her mhm authorities find that the vehicle in question is
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registered to Bob bu's exwife so in the coming weeks detectives will go to the home or I'm sorry bule's ex-wife's home
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to ask about the Ford Pinto this is where this guy is kind of getting lucky right I mean he's smart he's using
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resources to evade capture and detection really but the police what do they have to go on they have a
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license plate well they're going to go and talk to his ex-wife who does not live with him so that doesn't
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immediately put Bob bule on the radar it is a little weird that these Anonymous one of the Anonymous phone calls is
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traced back to his home so he should be on someone's radar by this point right but the other tricky thing where he got
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lucky as well is remember we talked about the bag the plastic bag and the cardboard box that was found near
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Christa Harrison's body they were able to trace that back to to Sears to the department store and it was used to sell
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black car seats vehicle seats remember they Trac that to about 25ish people that lived in northeastern
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Ohio police would do a check on these individuals however none of them owned a vehicle at the time of Christa
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Harrison's abduction that matched the vehicle that was described by the witnesses so Bob has this full siiz van
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but it's it's distinctly different from the one that that is believed to have been spotted by these Witnesses so
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another another case where this guy may have just got lucky somebody misremembered something or didn't
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remember something correctly when they gave the information to the police well and I wonder being alone officer maybe
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he does auto loans and maybe he has some contacts with some local dealers maybe he's using somebody else's vehicle or or
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dealer vehicles uh later that same month Captain a 29 year-old woman is abducted
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at gunpoint in East Liverpool Ohio she is held prisoner and tormented for what she says is 3 days in a small house that
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she believes is owned by by her abductor on June 25th 1983 Deborah K Smith vanishes from a downtown Street
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Carnival in masselin Ohio and sadly her lifeless body will be found a little more than a month afterward on Sunday
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October 16th 1983 a 28-year-old woman is abducted at a damasus Ohio gasoline service station
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she is the one that was taken to a location that she believes could be the home of her abductor she's the one that
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escaped the following morning when her attacker leaves the home now later that day Bob bule returns to his home where
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he's greeted by local police the man of course is arrested identified as Robert Anthony bule the owner of the home and
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over the course of the coming months Bob bule would admit to having committed the
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May 83 Abduction of the East Liverpool Ohio woman and the the October 83 Abduction of the Damascus woman so he's
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confronted with this stuff he's arrested for it and through their investigation they're going to get him to admit to
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abducting raping and torturing these two women but one thing that's incredibly different from some of these other cases
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that they're starting to wonder could he be connected to the one woman escaped The Other Woman
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was eventually Let Go by by the captor right so on the last day of January 1984 Bob bu at this time is 43 years old
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he sentenced to 121 to 320 years in prison after pleading no contest to 16 felonies in connection
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with the two admitted abductions he would be eligible for parole after serving at least 58 years so he would
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have to live to be 101 years old to have his next possible day of [Music] [Music]
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local authorities including the FBI and detectives from several counties immediately began collecting evidence to
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build a case against Bob bule for the abduction that we just talked about now what they're finding they're starting to
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link this to Christa Harrison's case with physical evidence and they're starting to build a case against Bob
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bule for the abduction and murder of Christa Harrison but if you're law enforcement you have to be optimistic
00:31:09
because yes you caught him red-handed basically MH with the one Abduction the other one you didn't catch him
00:31:17
red-handed but he confessed to it so you have to be optimistic that if you have more evidence and you can lean on him
00:31:24
more that he might confess to other crimes crimes well and with these serial offenders with these serial killers and
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rapist usually what we end up talking about or the way that we are clued into who the the offender is is that there's
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a victim that manages to get away and we've seen that time and time again and in this case she gets away thankfully
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they start finding evidence inside his home that's links him to the physical evidence found at the body dump site of
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Christa Harrison now we got all these different communities and different law enforcement agencies working together
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focusing in on Bob bule and they start noticing that some of the physical evidence at Christa Harrison's dump site
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is similar to physical evidence that they found on Tina Harmon right and at the time this is this is just weird and
00:32:20
bizarre but from 1980 to about 1983 they were roughly about a dozen abduction and
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murders of child female victims in the state of Ohio we know that Bob bu was active for
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some of that time he had he pled no contest to two abductions rapes and tortures of these grown women and so now
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he's kind of linked through the media through some of the investigators and at least in the eyes of the public he might
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be responsible could he be responsible for all of these well yeah because one these are happening the Northeast part
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of Ohio we know he's from Cincinnati which would be the Southwest part so even if he doesn't have a bunch of
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contacts with his family he still might have friends in that area well that that
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gets him traveling through the whole state we we know he's a loan officer so he's not traveling a bunch for his job
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with those connections he'd be traveling through the whole state of Ohio eventually investigators would decide
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that they have enough evidenced against Bob bule to charge him for the murder and Abduction of Christa Harrison and
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his trial was scheduled to start March 19th 1984 and the trial would take place in
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the city of Cleveland it would take some time Captain but he is found to be guilty of Christa Leah Harrison's murder
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and for this he is sentenced to die by the state of Ohio time to die Bob you're talking about a guy who's already facing
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a minimum of 58 years all the way up to 300 years in prison for previous crimes and now I mean what what are you left to
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do with this guy he's already serving basically life in prison and now you've figured out oh he also abducted and
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killed a child so of course they sentence him to die Bob bule would maintain that he was innocent from the
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time that they arrested him until the time that they eventually put him to death innocent of he admits yeah he
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admits to abducting and and traumatizing adult women but says that he had nothing
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to do with with Christa Harrison's case he had nothing to do with any of the child cases is what he claims and I mean
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he goes on to say uh look I claims that he's innocent he says there's no eyewitnesses and we'll come back to that
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or DNA evidence connecting him to the crime okay you have to keep in mind this is the early 80s right I don't know that
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we would expect to see conclusive DNA evidence connecting him to the crime at the time the no eyewitnesses this is an
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interesting statement and this is actually a true statement even though the composite sketch looks like Robert
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bule these are the witnesses that saw the described man at the park abduct Christa Harrison what we learn is
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he's able to say this definitively to to the public and in interviews and not be
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lying to us because apparently Roy remember he said goodbye Roy or see a later Roy or something to that effect
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when he abducted Christa Harrison right Roy couldn't pick Bob bule out of a photo lineup well that's odd
00:35:53
so this is a weird situation it's it's the reverse of the Tina Harmon wrongful convictions right the Tina Harmon
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wrongful convictions we had fake eyewitnesses so-called eyewitnesses that said that they somebody admitted the
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crime to them the murder to them and no physical evidence and they got a conviction which were eventually
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overturned but here in this case Captain we have a lot of physical evidence connecting Bob Yol to the murder of
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Christa Harris but we can't get an eyewitness even though there were witnesses to the
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actual abduction yeah but I think and I'm just going to go out on a limb here he you know we have a lot of times that
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these killers or these serial killers that we believe are responsible for I mean the age of the victims that he is
00:36:49
admitting to kidnapping and torturing they're a little bit older of victims and so I I can confess to those
00:37:00
but I can't confess to this crime against a child because we know that there is prison Justice most of the time
00:37:07
for those individuals well not only that ju prison Justice or not they're sentencing him to die that's that his
00:37:15
sentence is a death sentence right that's what I'm saying there's all these more motivating reasons uh to to lie
00:37:23
about this but then you but then it makes wonder and and just go with me on this
00:37:29
for a little bit it makes you wonder if the the science or the studying of these
00:37:36
individuals correct most of them have some kind of type of victim that they're looking for and we have them at least
00:37:45
pinpointed on two victims and they're very similar is it possible that he was connected to any other
00:37:55
individual that he would help uh you know I'll help uh abduct a kid and I'll give the kid to you if you help a abduct
00:38:06
you know a a teenager and give them to me if that makes any sense an adult yeah yeah you but it would be um
00:38:13
it would make sense on why they can't pick him out of a lineup because whoever uh abducted her might have not been her
00:38:22
killer right I know that's a long shot possibly I mean it's all so a good amount of time has gone by from the the
00:38:30
very brief quick abduction that a juvenile witness their statements and when Bob
00:38:38
bule is actually arrested what we do have too though Captain is we have an an adult surviving victims two that we are
00:38:49
100% aware of and neither of them describe anything other than Bob bule as the man who abducted and tortured me I
00:38:58
know it was the early 80s but did Bob have a computer in his house I I do not know I couldn't find anything in the the
00:39:08
arrest record or the evidence collection that would tell me that he had a computer or not makes me wonder if he
00:39:14
was a part of some kind of pedophilia ring or some kind of online Network where he'd be exchanging illegal
00:39:22
pornography or child porn and then one piece of [ __ ] lead you to multiple pieces of [ __ ] well and I I get what
00:39:30
people were saying because at the time people were like you know this man's saying that he's innocent yes he's a
00:39:35
horrible horrible person no no matter what because of the two crimes we know he did
00:39:41
commit but he's saying he's innocent of this of this child murder I get what people were thinking at the time that
00:39:49
okay that's not his victimology but right we've been doing this for a little bit of time Ted Bundy had had both adult
00:39:57
and child female victims Richard Ramirez had both adult and child victims BTK BTK adult and
00:40:07
child victims Joseph condro adult and child victims I mean the the list goes on and on and Joseph condro told John
00:40:15
Douglas in an interview that he decided you know he one he absolutely had to be a pedophile no doubt about it but he's
00:40:23
not willing to admit that to John Douglas in the interviews he simply tells Douglas it was easier to abduct
00:40:30
female children than it was to abduct female adults well and with uh Richard Ramirez I mean he had
00:40:36
victims I think as young as six all the way into the eight into their 80s so that's a huge range and sometimes with
00:40:45
these guys I mean he's he's a sexual stist Robert bule is and it may simply have been he was out trolling for a
00:40:53
victim and he happened to come across a 12-year-old girl before he came across a
00:40:59
25-year-old woman to abduct he saw an opportunity and he took it you know he claims he was innocent but the
00:41:07
prosecutors argued that the evidence against him in Christa Harrison's case was overwhelming I found it to be very
00:41:16
uh substantial the case they were able to build against him they convicted him on fiber evidence this was fibers that
00:41:24
were found in multiple Loc Pati at the dump at the body dump site on on some of the clothing as well of Christa Harrison
00:41:33
and they're able to find these same fibers in his vehicle and in his home they were able to match paint there was
00:41:42
mult different colors of paint that were found on some of the clothing items that
00:41:46
were discarded near the victim as well and they were able to match paint on those clothing items to paint found
00:41:53
inside of his home right so what you're saying is no matter what this this idiot
00:41:58
said he he he's guilty of this crime but it's also oddly um it's almost like Richard Ramirez in Reverse be in the
00:42:07
sense of Richard had what 16 charges against him sexually assaulting Miners and or or
00:42:17
raping Miners and he let all the children victims go as far as we know but the other victims he he
00:42:26
he he killed and then it's almost in Reverse you know we we don't know that he was going to kill the the second
00:42:33
adult that he captured he let the first one go if he would have let the second one go it's it's kind of a weird yeah
00:42:40
but there's the devils in the details my friend what was one of the details that
00:42:45
the surviving victim said he placed a bag over my head taped it to my neck and left it there until I passed out right
00:42:53
so the the two child victims Tina Harmon and Christa Harrison both were described
00:43:00
in their autopsies as having been choked they died due to strangulation right probably due to some choking with a a
00:43:09
rope type item and with hands now a lot of times in this I apologize there's no way to deliver this other than than how
00:43:19
I'm about to do it a lot of times these guys they're sexual satus they they enjoy just like we said the trailer last
00:43:26
week they enjoy inflicting the pain and seeing the pain in the eyes and on the face of their victim right and if
00:43:33
choking and strangulation is their thing a lot of times they will choke and strangle till the person will pass out
00:43:41
revive them and do it again and do it again and do it again what I'm pointing out here where people say oh he let go
00:43:49
these these women that he tortured well that may be who knows I 100% believe and
00:43:56
we'll get into to why we should all agree that bule killed Christa Harrison and Tina Harmon who knows maybe his
00:44:05
intention was to drive them out in the middle of nowhere and let them go but they're children you cannot inflict the
00:44:14
same amount of pain and and other torture right to that of a child that you could a woman who a full grown
00:44:24
person who knows maybe he intended to let them go and they they died during the torture process yeah I think um
00:44:32
lethal injection n too easy even electric chair too easy I think what they do they put him on a in a chair
00:44:40
they they make him spread eagle and then they take they take hold on they take I'm trying to keep this sophisticated a
00:44:46
little bit but this is sophisticated this is aist you you use that extension cord he had and you plug it in and then
00:44:55
you take the other end and you just jab him right in the balls well hot me the thing is if torture was his thing and it
00:45:04
it definitely sounds like it was you can take a little bit of joy in this next statement you know some people find this
00:45:11
to be psychological torture he was strapped up and ready to go back in 1996 they were going to put him to death I
00:45:19
mean he was he was seconds away from being put to death and they they called it off mhm he would be sentenced to
00:45:27
death and executed on uh September of 2002 now he was only ever convicted of killing Christa Harrison he was
00:45:39
suspected of multiple child abduction and murders police always said in those counties said we have some evidence that
00:45:47
we believe links Robert bule to these cases and their stance always was case closed right this this guy's been
00:45:54
sentenced to death you can't kill a man twice and he's been executed that always
00:46:00
sucks though for the victim's family of the other cases because you want to know
00:46:05
for for certain correct and the thing is what if you know it might be a very small percentage chance but what if
00:46:14
they're wrong MH so what ends up happening in Tina Harmon's case is the family they come forward and they're
00:46:22
like well we wanted we want to know for sure we understand that the the police are saying Robert bule did this and
00:46:29
they're like yeah we believe you but we want to know for sure well the other thing is if if it's not the right guy
00:46:35
then you have a equal animal on the street praying on these victims well the interesting thing with the Tina Haron
00:46:46
case was they had Bob bu's DNA on file the state of Ohio yeah and they had DNA evidence in in Tina Harmon's case and so
00:46:58
the family was petitioning saying hey test this DNA let's make sure that it was Robert bule and the county was like
00:47:09
well we would but it's awfully expensive so guess who came after the county old friend of the show James rener Jimmy
00:47:19
rener he comes after the county and he says well how much does it cost maybe we can figure out a way to raise the money
00:47:25
and we'll get somebody else to pay for it right if the county can't afford it the county comes back and this is what
00:47:32
this is egg on the face right where they go yeah it's like $400 $500 to conduct these tests oh yeah you offer offer that
00:47:42
to the family sons of [ __ ] offer it to the family hey it's $500 we we we don't want to use taxpayer
00:47:50
money even though we should even though you probably paid more taxes last quarter than what we're going to what we
00:47:59
need to run these tests offer it to the family you pieces of [ __ ] you know what
00:48:05
I mean so what ends up happening Captain is hold on a little girl died their their little girl died and you're going
00:48:13
to put a price tag on that you pile of [ __ ] okay sorry well 8 years after the state of Ohio executed Robert bule they
00:48:23
did conduct the DNA testing and confirmed 100% that they found his DNA on our victim Tina Harmon so he has been
00:48:34
conclusively linked to two of the three murders that we discussed here today the
00:48:41
three child murders got him the other thing too is a lot of those crimes that we talked about where the stranger
00:48:49
abduction yeah the these crimes that were reported but they didn't have anybody to link them to after Bob bule
00:48:56
was arrested these victims started coming forward saying that was the guy that tried to abduct Me Right so he's
00:49:03
been linked to all of those now per Wikipedia Bob bu it was listed on his page on Wikipedia up until December of
00:49:14
last year that he was most likely responsible for the North Columbus murder of 8-year-old Kelly Anne
00:49:23
prer however we find out out that that was not true because in June of last year Columbus Deputy police chief Greg
00:49:32
boder held a press conference 38 years after Kelly's murder and thousands of man hours expanded there was a break in
00:49:44
the case Columbus Cold Case detectives received permission to utilize two new new investigative tools to solve Kelly's
00:49:53
case one was something we referenced earlier called the fifth floor which is a podcast that is put out from time to
00:50:01
time from Columbus PD they discussed her Cold Case on their show the fifth floor
00:50:09
the other technology was a process that we've discussed multiple times on this show and have already here today it was
00:50:17
the technology being used around the country to locate violent offenders who are not trackable using traditional
00:50:25
Detective work we're talking about genetic genealogy investigations right so in early 2020 the Cold Case unit
00:50:34
hired Advanced DNA to test samples taken from Kelly's Body Advanced DNA was able
00:50:39
to match the DNA in the sample to a third cousin of a family which came primarily from West Virginia and was
00:50:48
Caucasian the family was associated with two surnames and one of these one of these surnames was Jerel
00:50:56
the genetic evidence pointed to a Harold Warren Jerell as that of being the killer of
00:51:04
Kelly and prer so after 38 years Captain the Columbus PD were finally able to close Kelly's case and they identified
00:51:15
Harold Warren Jerell as her killer now the detective the Cold Case detective said quote he was not anywhere near the
00:51:25
top of our list in fact he had never been mentioned in the original case File well we see that from time to time it's
00:51:33
rare but we do see it and this was a a case of stranger it's a stranger child abduction
00:51:43
which is so rare and his also the reason why it's so hard to solve his name didn't appear in the case File because
00:51:50
he had nothing he was nowhere near the the circles the Social Circles of this this little girl or her family he must
00:51:59
have just spotted her alone and either tricked her to getting into his car or he abducted her yeah and they they
00:52:07
weren't able to make a arrest on on Harold but he died in Nevada in 1996 and he was
00:52:15
67 yes Robert bu seems like a perfect the age of victims the manner in which he does it and
00:52:25
seems brazing as far as being able to abduct people in broad daylight obviously the the picture doesn't match
00:52:33
up and obviously he would have been in jail at the time of Amy mic's abduction but that's why I question yes
00:52:43
I know it's early 80s but sometimes these sick individuals have communications with each other
00:52:52
whether it's online or through mail and I just I really just think um it maybe it's a long shot of a lead but he could
00:53:01
have been connected to somebody because it's very similar to the crimes that he committed well that's one thing that we
00:53:08
discussed at length with James rener in regards to this case we call him a nephew but he's not technically a nephew
00:53:16
of Robert bule who has been suspected in some other crime some people think that
00:53:20
maybe the nephew is responsible for Amy mahalic murder person personally I feel like the nephew just happens to be
00:53:30
Robert bu's nephew right and that that they didn't really do anything in cahoots together I think that Robert
00:53:38
bule is guilty of the crimes we suspect him of and like I said up until December
00:53:47
thise probably more yeah probably some more but this kellyanne proster case was solved in the middle of last last year
00:53:56
and and his Wikipedia page still had him as the prime suspect in her case 6 months after it was solved right so i'
00:54:04
I'm glad to see that that has been updated and changed and it's just really a unique look at this monster that was
00:54:13
living in Northeast Ohio and because of what we know the crimes we know he committed he's been suspected in so many
00:54:21
other crimes that were left unsolved at the time after his execution date we have one
00:54:28
Cold Case that's solved 8 years after he's executed and then Kellan proster case it solved 38 years after her murder
00:54:38
and it turned out to be somebody completely different yeah and I I know I don't say this enough and I don't want
00:54:44
to get too sappy on you Colonel but the amount of knowledge that you're putting out in these episodes especially like a
00:54:52
four parter it says heads and tals above so many other hosts and look other True
00:54:59
Crime hosts are great storytellers but is it too early to start calling you the goat the goat of True Crime I mean this
00:55:08
is a lot of knowledge that you're passing on and you and rener and I know not everybody's a fan of of the king of
00:55:17
Cleveland hey not everybody's a fan of the colonel either that's true but I'm seeing these other shows get Awards I
00:55:24
just don't think getting the credit and I'm going to say it and maybe some people are going to get mad guess what
00:55:29
be mad he might be the goat I maybe Nick's the goat maybe the colonel maybe the crispy Colonel is the crispy goat but on
00:55:40
a serious note let's okay let's get serious the thing that I'm really proud of you and and ren are doing is the
00:55:46
porch light project anybody can donate look we just got done explaining that they didn't want to spend 500 bucks to
00:55:55
give answers to the victim's family to Tina Harmon's family yeah the porch light project is taking on cases and
00:56:04
helping but it's not cheap and they need your help so if you could take you know
00:56:11
five bucks 10 bucks whatever instead of going to Starbucks tomorrow donate to the porch light project and you can do
00:56:18
so at porchlight online.org hit the support us button and you can donate there well and I really like the work that
00:56:27
porch light is doing I'm very proud of the work that we've done there I'm going to Pat myself on the back for something
00:56:33
else though right here Captain I like as long as you don't stroke yourself I like
00:56:37
getting things right I like things being correct and that's why we we present the
00:56:45
information we have in a certain way here in the garage because we want the record to be correct I don't know that I
00:56:53
was the person that that that is singly responsible for this but I can say this I emailed Wikipedia over and over and
00:57:02
over last year until they removed that sentence from Robert bu's Page saying that he was the prime suspect in Kelly
00:57:13
Anne prer murder because we knew starting in June of last year that he was not responsible right for that
00:57:22
murder in fact in a junee 2020 news conference announcing that they solved Kelly's case Kelly's family thanked law
00:57:32
enforcement for their dedication to their case over nearly four decades via a letter that was read aloud and it a
00:57:41
portion of it was this quote when Kelly Anne left for school the morning of September 20 1982 we did not expect our
00:57:51
time with her would abruptly end or that our future future would change in every
00:57:56
way imaginable one moment we had this dazzling mischievous 8-year-old little girl then suddenly all we had left were
00:58:06
memories photographs that will never age a calendar marking a dreadful new holiday a grave and pieces of Kelly's
00:58:15
life stored in a box so they now have their answers but sadly that's all they have
00:58:35
want to thank everybody so much for joining us here in the garage cheers to all you True Crime addicts Colonel do we
00:58:42
have any recommended reading this is exciting this fantastic book came out just yesterday we were able to get an
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00:58:58
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00:59:07
joined the South Carolina law enforcement Division and she couldn't let this case go not even after her
00:59:14
retirement in 2001 you know I love these old cold cases Captain this is about the
00:59:22
1978 murder of gwendelyn Fogle it was the Walter burrow Police Department's top Cold Case for 37 years check out the
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00:59:39
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