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crime [Music] I know you're gonna dig this foreign [Music] [Music] welcome to the show Captain this is some
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exciting stuff I'm excited for today's show we are going to be talking about some of our favorite true crime
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documentaries gotta do a little gotta clear the air a bit before we walk into this because
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we've done this twice before back in 2016 and 2018 so our list that we are presenting here today are not
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necessarily our favorite or our our top five or top 10 true crime documentaries of all time
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it's just a new list since the old List have been out so these are ones that we have watched devoured since our list
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that came out in 2016 in 2018 now you're going well what were on those lists well
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it's like 30 documentaries or something so you can find that if you're listening on the
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Stitcher app which is free you can listen to all the old episodes go and dig up episodes 59 and episodes
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197 for those two lists or if you're a Die Hard then you listen to off the Record
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yesterday where we discussed both those lists yeah and those are the people that we like
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the most they yeah when you you know sometimes you have to rank your children by which one you love the most yeah
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which one showers more yeah or which one you love the least well the uh off the Record people cheers to you you won
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again you're our favorite children all right yeah all right number five we're just
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doing five we're doing five each so it'd be interesting if we have my suspicion here Captain is we will
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have at least one that makes it onto both of our lists well you're a betting man I am I got let's put fifty dollars
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on there you I know you too well you'll change your list on the Fly just to win the 50 bucks that's how betting works
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all right without further Ado I get to go first so my number five because it should be clear it's it's not just
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what a one-part documentary it could be a docu-series right could be a long form
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or could be a docu-series so my number five is actually long form it's an hour and 42 minute documentary
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that came out a long time ago 2011. it's called a nightmare in Las Cruces so you can find this on Amazon Prime but
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you'll have to buy it or rent it okay which I did and I did that weeks before we put out our coverage on that still
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unsolved case the bowling alley massacre in Las Cruces right worth the rental not
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only worth the rental but good enough to make it on my top five that I've seen since 2018. you know so I I really
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enjoyed it the director is Charlie Min and Mark Myers now Charlie Min is pretty well known for his continued
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continued participation in keeping this case in the public eye and Charlie Min is an interesting dude
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he says that you know when he was in college he saw the old Unsolved Mysteries when they presented this case and we
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talked about that when we covered it how Unsolved Mysteries kind of did like an oh by the way it was one of their wanted
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segments where they were like this horrible crime happened just like a month or so ago I think it
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happened so it happened in January and Unsolved Mysteries put it on their show in early April which is a quick
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turnaround for a whole Film Production and TV production crew they just really wanted to help and they
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really wanted to put these composite sketches of the individuals that were wanted for this horrible crime on TV so
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Unsolved Mysteries they only did like seven or eight minutes on the entire case now again it was very
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fresh it was a very new case and then Charlie min well he puts this out on in 2011.
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I think his original goal was trying to trying to get it out right at the 20 year anniversary and I
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think he I think there was some trouble and it and it took a slightly longer than that but he did a really
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interesting take on it because he he really dove into what what could be the motive for this because the motive in
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that that case just doesn't make any sense that they go in and they don't steal that much money the perpetrators
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and the result is they attempt to kill seven people that's a lot of damage for little reward for their their uh their
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attack their troubles their what they put these people through we had a lot of listeners from that area say that it's
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probably the biggest speculation in that area was that it was some kind of mob or
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or gangster related hit due to the fact that the guy that owned the bowling alley had a bunch of
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problems with gambling yeah he seemed to have uh some of his own problems and as
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you said and then there's also thought that that drugs was part of the the motivation or or behind the the crime
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itself that maybe these two were not only looking for money in this robbery but maybe they were led to believe or
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had reason to believe that there could be a large stash of drugs somewhere in the the bowling alley in the business
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brain so that's my number five there Mr Captain a nightmare in Las Cruces as said you can watch that on Amazon and
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it's a you'll have to rent it or purchase it all right so my number five is one case of the new Unsolved
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Mysteries series I like what you did there it's the first case Ray Rivera yes so Ray Rivera's was the first case that
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came out everybody was really excited about Netflix is coming out with Unsolved Mysteries and they they remix
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the theme a little bit but they didn't change it too much and everybody was really excited but now the format
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changed because the format used to be where there would be multiple cases and there'd be you know like you were saying
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something be featured for five minutes or ten minutes and sometimes they would talk about aliens or Bigfoot sometimes
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they talk about missing person cases so the format has changed the whole series is rated 74 on Rotten Tomatoes you can
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find Unsolved Mysteries this series on Netflix it's still there I really thought the first case was the best case
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it was this guy that they they moved to a whole different state to work for his friend
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and then one day he gets a call and then they can't find him and when they find him it looks like he went through the
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roof of a building it was a hotel a fancy hotel yeah and it was one of those cases it
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reminded me so much of a when you hear of a Brian Shaffer or you hear of a Mara Murray where you just go what that
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doesn't make any sense not only not only what this doesn't make any sense more so
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too is what why have I not heard of this before like I I don't know about you but
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I had not heard of uh Ray Rivera's case until Unsolved Mysteries and I got this fantastic text from the captain who's
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like have you started to watch the new Unsolved Mysteries yet and I said no and he said you'll really like the first
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case and you were absolutely right it's a it's a fascinating case yeah it's a case that I think we should even though
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a lot of people have seen that episode I think it's a good case that we could have a lot of discussion on speculation
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because the other thing fascinating about that case is that there's this four page note that it was four pages
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the whoever made this note shrunk down four pages into one and it was folded in duct taped to his desk and it seems
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almost like some kind of cryptic writing but overall and I might get some hatred for this and
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that's fine but overall the series to me was maybe a 5 out of ten I think they could have hit a home run but I think
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it's missing certain things and I know a lot of people say well you can't replace a host like that
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my argument is that with there be a no host and by you changing the format of it you're really losing a
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lot of the characteristics of why people liked Unsolved Mysteries in the first place
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and so it just it could have been called anything else and I think it would have
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still been pretty good but I don't think it necessarily had to be called Unsolved Mysteries I give it
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the whole series of 5 out of 10. but case number one Rave Rivera I give that a nine and a half out of ten
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yeah I'm I'm with you I for for the most part I like that they called it Unsolved
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Mysteries I liked it the original people were back at it and working to put put this show out again a show that we love
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so much as as children I don't mind the long form and that each episode is kind of its own Standalone
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case that doesn't bother me and I I actually thought the opposite of what you said I thought
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it was smart not to go with a host just because you you couldn't that was the problem anytime they brought it back in
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the past was that the host was always and I I thought the host always did a good job it's just it was always a
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letdown because that's what we grew up and that's what we're used to right but we've seen several shows where they do
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reboots and that's kind of the make or break because the thing is if when they came back out with it the first time it
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was like oh yeah this is nostalgia but there's nothing that really connects you in a sense of
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you know one of my favorite shows is queer eye and when they replace the host when it went to Netflix
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I was going am I going to like this these new hosts well you do and they're different from
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the first host but once you once you do if you do like them then you're rooting for them to do well
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you're rooting for them to come back it's just like if you watch mine hunter the actors did such a great job you have
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now a relationship with these actors you want them to come back for season three
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and I think the fact that there was no person to connect to it's like well if they came back out
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with another season that'd be cool but if they don't no big deal I want to be heartbroken well good pick by you there
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Captain um my number four is called long shot and this is from 2017 and I believe we've actually
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talked about this either you know on off the Record or on True Crime garage or or
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just you know to together somewhere four but I really enjoyed this film called long shot it's a documentary
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about a man who's arrested for a murder now the interesting thing about this was he
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had an alibi and his Alibi they were questioning it they're like yeah you were at a ball game sure thing yeah we
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don't believe you because we have somebody else who puts you at the murder scene and says you're the guy that did
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it right well what ends up happening is that they have because it's a baseball game you know
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there is footage somewhere camera footage of that game but in a weird weird coincidence
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they were filming and see I'm trying to discuss this without giving too much away but I guess at this point I gotta
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say who cares it's three years old if you if you've not seen it yet um then you know I maybe you weren't
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looking to watch it anyway but the weird thing about this is that they were filming an episode of Curb Your
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Enthusiasm at that actual baseball game right so they had more cameras there than they normally would and you had HBO
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who had cameras there and HBO I mean just one of the best in the business at be it movies TV shows or documentaries
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so this one is great and the thing that I like about it too um you know I like things that are long
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I like things that are short it doesn't matter uh minutes wise as long as it's good this one I was surprised because
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when I sat down to watch it I was expecting you know most documentaries hour and a half ish something like that
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but um this one was only like 40 maybe 45 it's 40 minutes long actually I'm looking at my notes right now 40 minutes
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long so it's a quick one to get through and it's very interesting and I love the
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diagrams along the way the way that they lay the case out for you for and against
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this individual it's very easy and clear and concise to follow so I love that part of it and it's very entertaining
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very interesting and it's it's almost like watching uh a now episode of of Unsolved Mysteries you're gonna get
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through this thing in about 40 minutes and this is available on HBO this is on Netflix all right so my number four
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would be I love you now die which was released in 2019 it's two hours and 20 minutes it's available on
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HBO Max 97 on Rotten Tomatoes it's that's pretty high Michelle Carter stands trial for
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sending aggressive text messages to her boyfriend encouraging suicide before he was found dead by suicide in his car it
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goes to the trial a lot and it's very sad I think depression and suicide are something that are very it's
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a very complex issue very complex case and it's one of those cases I think throughout the documentary you go well
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I see her being wrong but I don't know if that means that she's a murderer and you just but it's you're constantly
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getting pulled back and forth on on what to think of this and I highly recommend
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it I think it was very interesting and and and when they break down all the evidence it's it's definitely a
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very interesting case so number four I love you now die Okay so we've not had any that have made both lists so far
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right so my number three is called the hunt for the Boston bombers this was a TV movie it says TV movie but
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it's actually a documentary but if you look it up on IMDb it says TV movie 2014 and of course this is the recounting of
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oh here all your shows are old yeah yeah so um this one is about the 2013 terrorist bombing of the Boston Marathon
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which I still remember going back to then the this horrible crime taking place and then it really took me a few days to
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even process what what happened there in Boston it was such a strange terrorist attack and such a bizarre thing you know
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you're hearing about this the the first bomb went off at 2 49 p.m April 15 2013. and I think it wasn't until that
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Thursday that I fully wrapped my head around it it was you know some sometimes these things are so shocking when you
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hear them on the news that it takes a while to to really set in and I didn't really know what to
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make of it well these are very similar attacks to what was happening in Europe at the time so I think as far as law
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enforcement they they kind of had a better understanding of it than than our public because it wasn't something that
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was happening uh in this manner like it was in Europe so three days later the FBI released images of two suspects
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so now they're like hey these are the guys that we think did this this is who we're we are looking for
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and then what takes place after that is the two brothers who who committed this bombing amongst
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other crimes along the way they decide to carjack um well they don't carjack and they're I
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guess they were trying to get his gun or something they shot and killed a MIT campus police officer
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and then they carjacked this this other guy but what they were doing was they not only did they carjack this guy they
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take him hostage but they're they're also continuing to drive their vehicle as well in you know tandem driver
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situation this guy ends up being able to escape they make a stop somewhere and he
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escapes his cell phone remained in his vehicle so now you have all these agencies that
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were working to find these two guys they know who it is now and they can track their whereabouts because of this dude's
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cell phone now the documentary itself inside the the hunt for the Boston bombers it was
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done on the National Geographic Channel and it was fascinating to see how they were able to pinpoint where the the
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attacks took place at the marathon what time it was who was in the area who was affected by it how
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can we get visuals of these people of the perpetrators and then translate that into the actual Manhunt for what they
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were very obviously aware of fairly early on is two perpetrators a minimum of two guys were involved in this thing
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but also after the the initial attack of the victims of the attack that were recovering in the hospital the ones that
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were still alive were giving FBI and different law enforcement agents the best descriptions of these
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individuals that they could and if anybody wants to see you know probably have heard of the the movie stronger
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with a Jake Gyllenhaal but it's it's one of the best acting performances I think of that I've
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ever seen and it has a lot to do with obviously uh Boston Marathon bombing so by that Friday night
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you know just days later on that Friday night they they are really honing in and closing in on these
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two guys and when I say they I mean think of just about any agency you can think of was
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pretty much involved you had the FBI you had uh ice you had the state police you
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had CIA I mean just about anybody you can think of you had local police you had and oddly enough we just recently
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covered a case out of Somerville when you had Somerville police and and the Boston City police everybody was
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involved in this it was something crazy like um I don't know how many hundreds or maybe even thousands of officers
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agents what have you were in that area and what it boils down to is about a 20 block radius search for these guys and I
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remember watching this on on a Friday night as it's happening there were like camera crews in the area watching
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everything because you had Somerville and you had Watertown that day they woke up to news flashes and automated phone
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calls to the homes telling everybody to shelter in place stay in your homes because there's danger in the area these
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terrorists are in the area not only they in the area we are actively hunting them
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with guns drawn in your area so um it I thought the the the uh crime of course is absolutely horrible but the
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The Manhunt and the technology and the way that they hunted down these two guys I couldn't believe how fascinating it
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was and it's told best in my opinion in this documentary from the National Geographic
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Channel The inside the hunt for the Boston bombers is my number three [Music] [Music]
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foreign [Music] we're back cheers mates cheers cheers cheers back to our list so
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so far you have your number five is what my number five is nightmare in Las Cruces number four long shot number
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three inside the hunt for the Boston bombers so my number five is Unsolved Mysteries but the first case Ray Rivera
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number four is I love you now die number three is starring the crispy cornhole the Lake Erie murders
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and I know that it was this is where it gets a little confusing for me because I
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was even looking this up it looks like there's a a really long large series but the first three episodes are about
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the Amy michalovic case and that's what I'm talking about the first three episodes it was released in
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2019 it was on the ID channel I believe you can find it right now on Hulu I have watched this twice
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this was about Amy michalovic 10 year old that went missing and murdered October 27
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1989 to see the actual footage this is a case that we've talked about extensively
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I've heard you in conversations at crime con talking about this case extensively
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it's one that I've read a lot about but to see the actual footage to see the actual interviews of people that I've
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only read about to actually see them was uh the main thing but also one of the reasons why I put it number three on
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the list is how much information is presented and how they I think they did just did a
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stellar job of breaking it down there's so many possible suspects and they they do it in such a clear and
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formative way but where you're not getting bored the whole series is not actually rated
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yet on Rotten Tomatoes but on IMDb it gets uh a 71 rating so the Lake Erie murders again
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crisp you get to see the crispy kernel yelling at the camera and I think it's it's really good
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documentary yeah so the first three as you said kind of kick off the whole thing and they're roughly what about an
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hour each maybe you know once you take out the commercials 45 minutes each we'll say
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and it's really just that Amy maholovic cases is one a fascinating case it's well known in that region this region of
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the country and it was it had never been it was almost shocking that it had not been
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done before a long-form documentary about that case I was very happy and honored to be a part of of that portion
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of it that really kicks off what is to be all these other cases so for I've watched some of the actual episodes
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since that came out and I kind of cherry pick I know a lot of the cases in this region so often I'll look for one that I
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know or recognize maybe the victim's name but haven't really done any research on it
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and it's all kind of fascinating stuff they do show some solved cases and that's interesting to me too I love when
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people take unsolved stuff we don't have the answer and then oh sprinkle in a few
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solved ones along the way so you can see how it got done or some of the cases went cold
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you know they went cold for we're talking eight nine ten years right especially and some of these they look
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like they had somebody good for it they look like they had a good suspect and you know you have situations
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where it's either they just couldn't put them away needed some more information or they had the wrong guy and that's why
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they didn't have the information because there is no real evidence on this dude so years later you end up getting the
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case solved I think it's a brilliant series again I've not watched all of them or or anywhere near all of them but
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from what I've seen I I like it very much and and uh yeah I that was going to be an honorable mention for me there Mr
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Captain yeah I just think it's very informative and if you're interested in that case even if you've read a lot
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about it you're going to learn something and you're gonna get to see people that
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were involved all right so number two you're number two all right crispy colonel
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number two I went with the uh Atlanta's missing and murdered the Lost Children of course this is a pretty recent one
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this came out in 2020 it's on HBO as we are having this conversation well it is my number two as well so oh how about
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that there you go okay it happened it's five episodes long yes is I thought it to be
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easy to binge yeah I think some of the episodes are pretty short 40 minutes long so it's a Elena's missing in Murder
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the Lost Children it's the abduction and murder of at least 30 African-American children and
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young adults in Atlanta Between 1979 and 1981. it gets 94 on Rotten Tomatoes pretty
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good score very good score yeah it was very interesting it kept me involved the entire time
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I enjoyed it so much that I could have watched more episodes had they made them I don't think that they left anything
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they not that they wanted me you know not that I felt that I was unfulfilled you know not that I felt
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that uh they left some some big matzah balls out there and didn't didn't sum them up I I felt that
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it was very thorough very well done I didn't agree I'm not gonna lie to you Captain I didn't agree with 30 or 40
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percent of it but it was it was entertaining it yeah but it was a fascinating look at
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this at this case and it was HBO I mean HBO is kind of the gold standard in my opinion for television and for
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entertainment and they did not they did not um disappoint yeah here's one of the reasons why I
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like this as a documentary it's not a All or Nothing type documentary if you watch the first Paradise loss for
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example that's not an all-in documentary you can walk away going well maybe these
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kids are guilty maybe they're innocent I'm not for sure by the time you get to the second part
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of that documentary they're pretty all in on the idea that they believe that these teenagers are are innocent
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and that's what I mean by all in documentary you see this also with like making murder
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and some other big documentaries I thought this was very well done they I think they did a really good job
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of going back and forth from the old footage because I think sometimes that stuff can
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you can get lost in the old footage if they don't present it a certain way but I I think the thing I liked most about
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it was again it just it wasn't all or nothing even when they're arguing certain points
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they they keep reiterating this is not uh to prove that Wayne Williams is innocent of all the crimes he just might
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be innocent of of a couple um and I really like that about about the documentary I also thought the intro
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was really interesting how they would take those photographs and they would turn them into ink and they would Fade
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Into the other photographs I thought it was yeah very well done and and very similar to like with like the Amy
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michalovic the Lake Erie murders or I love you now die or even the Unsolved Mysteries I think
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what you're seeing on my list is a bunch of documentaries that are not you know beat you over the head that
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here's what we believe and you better think this when the documentary is over as opposed to how some other documents
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documentaries have been made so that's my number two as well yeah it was very well put together it's a it's an easy
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watch because it is so informative and interesting you learn a lot of things not only about the case but the city of
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Atlanta shortly before during and after the crimes took place and even the trial
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of of Wayne Williams which I believe didn't go down until like 83 maybe even 84. it was a while before he was
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actually at trial and sentenced but I'm a big fan of Keisha Lance bottoms the the mayor of Atlanta and I you know I'm
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I'm not Democrat I'm not Republican I'm a person that identifies I scream and identifies and recognizes people who I
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think are of good moral character and interesting brilliant people and she I think is fascinating Atlanta's got a
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good mayor down there she cares about this case she cares that I mean look technically like 28 maybe
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even 30 of these things aren't closed cases right you know there there's no conviction even though the FBI and even
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though the prosecutor said we're going to try Wayne Williams on these two cases but oh we're going to
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link eight or nine or ten of these to him as well and it seemed like on that day you know it was when they got a
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conviction on Wayne Williams yes it was a celebration for the city that the monster that captured him the dragon has
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been slayed we've put them away you feel really good that day but then very quickly afterwards you're going wait a
00:35:45
second we got all these cases that are technically unsolved and so I think Keisha Lance bottoms is doing
00:35:53
gangbusters work down there in Atlanta I think she's fantastic and her going and
00:35:58
saying you know what I'm encouraging the police to reopen these cases and the police Atlanta Police Department have
00:36:05
said yes we're going to do this in the Atlanta Police Department even up front and center says look at the time when
00:36:12
this was going on we didn't really know how to investigate this we had um we had problems with our Police
00:36:20
Department on on different things at that time too and so this is an error that we are happy to jump in and try to
00:36:27
correct so kudos to the Atlanta Police Department kudos to Mayor bottoms and as said she was originally a prosecutor
00:36:36
who represented children in juvenile court in the early stages of her career she was a a Magistrate Judge at one
00:36:44
point in Atlanta so getting back to her Roots a little bit before uh her days as
00:36:49
a mayor and I thought that one opening up this case again then this allows HBO to come in and get involved and document
00:37:00
the the case as it was back then and update us on how the community feels today some people that are new to the
00:37:08
area some people that live through this some of them being law enforcement or or
00:37:13
family members of victims or or church leaders you know people that are important to this community how they
00:37:19
feel about it then and how they feel about it today and hopefully we'll continue to get some progress in that
00:37:25
case and and I think I think the documentary brought up some interesting questions
00:37:31
uh one you know one thing it pointed out to me Captain that I kind of forgot about was
00:37:37
the the racist family or brothers I don't have their their names in front of me right here in my notes but Sanders
00:37:44
yeah the thing that that jumped off the screen to me when when I was watching this documentary I was like oh yeah they
00:37:51
they did cover that portion and mine Hunters yeah you know they they showed them questioning these racist
00:37:59
brothers or racist cousins or whatever they were they they were surveillance of them for a long time and they brought
00:38:05
them in for questioning I think twice and and basically law enforcement during mine hunter was going your wasting your
00:38:13
time these guys they know the routine you bring them down they'll answer a couple questions then they get their
00:38:21
lawyer right because they're career criminals they're just career bad guys they do bad stuff they know how to duck
00:38:27
and Dodge the police well and they're part of this very powerful white supremacist group in Elena and it wasn't
00:38:34
the KKK it was a branch it was a national list or so I don't have that name either who I didn't even when I see
00:38:41
that type of ignorance I don't even want to write down their organization name or
00:38:45
or burn it to memory but it was also these dudes and their their dealings were very much in the world of drugs as
00:38:54
well they were doing drugs they were dealing drugs and you know there were law enforcement at the time that said
00:39:01
these guys have been too hopped up on drugs to to get away with any of this business but it does bring up some good
00:39:08
interesting questions and it was a fantastic documentary still available on demand on HBO so I definitely obviously
00:39:16
the captain is backing me on this one two thumbs up watch this one and the reason why it's number two on my list is
00:39:24
this is a case that I've never really been that into I've read some stuff about it we covered it here on the show
00:39:33
but just never really thought about you know it's good like take a JonBenet Ramsey case how many
00:39:41
times have you just randomly Googled stuff that you just wanted to know I wonder did they ever
00:39:48
ask the parents this I wonder if they ever ask her brother this this documentary was so good that it has
00:39:54
me going through the case again or just randomly Googling pieces of information to see what I can find out about it it
00:40:04
does again a good job of giving you information from multiple sides not really pushing too hard of an agenda
00:40:12
other than these cases need to be solved and need to people need to spend time and attention on them
00:40:19
but um but I think it does a good job of of hooking you into the case even more yeah and it was weird for me because
00:40:28
when it was coming out I was like oh look I'm not gonna I've been I've been pretty open book about this anything
00:40:36
that HBO puts out I'm I'm slightly interested in just because I think they do such a good job right and so I was
00:40:44
going oh they're they're going to tackle this big huge case from back in the day that intrigued me
00:40:51
to see how they would do it but what didn't intrigue me was the case selection because as you said
00:41:00
I was never that interested in this case in recent years because in my younger days I had I felt pretty
00:41:10
well informed about the case having got the information from Robert keppel's book and from John Douglas's book and
00:41:19
then a e covered it at one time and there was American Justice took a a new look at it several times over the years
00:41:26
so I always felt like you know that this was one that's been done time and time again been there done that but this is
00:41:34
is very worth worth the watch very worth the number two spot on both of our lists
00:41:40
is okay Captain with you if I go to my number one yeah that's how it works that's how it works
00:41:46
well I didn't know if you had anything else you wanted to throw in there um number one for me this is from the
00:41:53
Netflix world and it came out in 2018 and may of 2018. so this would have been just after
00:42:03
we did our last list and it's called Evil Genius the true story of America's most diabolical bank
00:42:11
heist yeah this is one a case that fascinated me to begin with but then to see that somebody
00:42:18
was going to do a documentary on it and Netflix did a bang Em Up job I mean a fantastic job by the Netflix people this
00:42:27
is also a case that sometimes referred to as the collar bomb or the pizza bomber case and it was a four-part
00:42:36
series the first episode was the heist two was the frozen body three was the suspects
00:42:44
and four was the confessions confessions so it was interesting it's a bizarre case it's one of the most bizarre cases
00:42:52
that I can think of offhand and yes that's from 2018 on Netflix and I consider that to be a must must watch
00:43:01
that's your number one number one number one proper number one okay so mine is this number one it it it's gonna get a
00:43:11
little convoluted a little bit here so it starts off my number one starts off with a docu drama which we didn't
00:43:20
say was going to be on the list but it's called when they see us it was a four-part
00:43:27
docudrama and it's about the 1989 case of five teenagers wrongfully wrongfully convicted of raping a woman
00:43:38
in Central Park now what happened was I watched because of one of our lists you had the Central Park five on your
00:43:51
list which is a Ken Burns and Sarah Burns great document documentary and you said you gotta watch this
00:43:57
so I watched it was about two hours long it's great 92 percent on Rotten Tomatoes
00:44:03
after I watched that there was a lot of advertisements about when they see us and I saw
00:44:15
big back in the day Dawson's Creek fan Joshua Jackson plays one of the kids attorneys
00:44:24
and so I believe it was on Netflix or HBO I don't know which one it's on actually
00:44:33
but when I saw this little preview with Joshua Jackson I said oh let me give this a shot yes I just watched this
00:44:39
documentary about it but I kind of want to see how they portray it in the first episode
00:44:47
they take you into these interrogations of these children and I don't even know if they're over
00:44:56
the top but it I think there's a thing about the Central Park five documentary by Ken Burns that's a little
00:45:05
sterile that's a little more informative and less uh emotive this four-part series when
00:45:15
they see us is probably more about the emotion and less about the actual facts of the case well that's
00:45:24
that that's natural it's a docudrama yeah dramatization when you when they see us is Netflix I I just
00:45:33
highly recommend it it might be in the top I don't know maybe three most powerful things I've ever watched
00:45:43
like it felt really important to be watching it and I think the first episode is really good
00:45:51
and I remember watching the first episode and getting done with it and you kind of get excited
00:45:58
it's kind of like when you watch mine hunter for the first time or you watch making a murder for the first time you
00:46:03
watch one episode and you went damn this is good what's next right but I already thought I knew the story
00:46:13
but once they get to part four it becomes basically all about Corey wise which is the one of I believe the oldest
00:46:22
that was charged and it was basically his story about how he ended up getting convicted and what
00:46:30
where he spent time and how he spent time and then how his connections uh brought new evidence to this case
00:46:40
and it's just one of the most powerful things I've ever seen on TV and these kids and these teenage
00:46:49
actors portraying things in such a way that you're just I mean it was exhausting like when I got done I I
00:46:58
felt better for watching it but if I felt exhausted and and it's also really sad that if you
00:47:05
watch the the documentary and then you watch this docu drama that there's still people out there that still think these
00:47:13
kids are guilty yeah of this crime and and you know what that is just something that I don't know that I know how far we
00:47:21
evolve or Advance ourselves I don't know that that ever goes away for some people
00:47:27
that when you have someone who confesses to a crime there's just some people that
00:47:33
they can't get over well they confess to it why would they confess to it if they
00:47:37
didn't do it right you know some people will never be able to get over that and that whatever I mean but refresh my
00:47:44
memory because we put I put the um Central Park five movie on my list back in 2016 so it's
00:47:54
been four or five maybe longer years since I've seen it the way that I remember this going down was they
00:48:01
arrested these these kids who were quote unquote Hooligans running a muck in the
00:48:06
park right and they're like hey look the interrogators are hey dude we know that
00:48:13
you did this you and your friends did this because their your friends are telling us they did it and you were
00:48:19
involved now you're going to be in big trouble unless you start telling us who in the group did this and what they did
00:48:26
and then so now you got kids making up stories against one another and worse but it wasn't even friends it was like
00:48:34
well I said kids right but it would be not friends and that that was the interesting thing some of these dudes
00:48:39
kind of just knew each other from school but they weren't they weren't boys you know they weren't they weren't best
00:48:45
friends or or maybe even friends like you're saying right or some of these people they didn't even know so when
00:48:50
they when them detective comes in and says hey by the way Charlie is saying that you're the one that raped the girl
00:48:58
and this guy's like I'm like who's Charlie you know right and there's a scene where this I mean there's just so
00:49:05
many powerful scenes but there's a scene where there's a kid that's really good at
00:49:10
trumpet and he drops off his trumpet before he goes into the Central Park that night and he's interrogated and
00:49:17
there's a couple times that he asked for his mother and it's just gut wrenching and to know it's really important to see
00:49:27
these things even if it's just acted out to have a really good understanding this
00:49:32
is how the system is or was and this is how sometimes these systems are created and it's our job to to have an
00:49:40
understanding of those so we can call that out as Injustice so anyways we got our top five
00:49:46
I'll go over mine real quick Unsolved Mysteries case number one number four I love you now die
00:49:57
number three the Lake Erie murders number two Elena's missing and murdered the Lost Children
00:50:05
and then number one when they see us also the Central Park five by Ken Burns and I went with number five nightmare in
00:50:15
Las Cruces number four long shot number three inside the hunt for the Boston bombers at number two we both had the
00:50:23
same selection and a mighty fine one at that Atlanta's missing and murdered the lost children and for number one I went
00:50:30
with Netflix's Evil Genius all right do we have any notables well honorable mentions some of my
00:50:39
honorable mentions were covered in your your five um but one that jumps off the page to me
00:50:47
was the innocent man and this was Netflix and it's a documentary well a series it's six episodes
00:51:00
and this was from really that doesn't seem right it says it's from 2012 but that that can't be
00:51:08
right seems from oh no I'm sorry Netflix December 2018. I had the wrong thing there in my
00:51:14
notes but it's John Grisham it's built around John grisham's 2006 book The Innocent Man murder and Injustice in a
00:51:23
small town yeah Grisham he wrote but the firm Rainmaker well let me look him up I think that's right I mean they're both
00:51:34
fictitious great great movies but uh the client the Pelican Brief The Rainmaker yeah the first The Firm yeah
00:51:46
the time to kill is a great movie he just loves lawyer movies and he loves to put him in the South that's his that's
00:51:53
his uh bag of tricks but I watched The Firm the other day and it it just doesn't hold up as well you know
00:52:00
you know what does hold up a movie that I could watch a hundred times The Rainmaker Oh that's oh fantastic
00:52:07
claridanes yeah and uh Matt Damon so Danny DeVito oh he's great in that one uh what's what were we talking about
00:52:16
okay so one of the ones that should have been higher on my list or should have been I guess on my list is the case
00:52:24
against Adnan Syed which was a four-part documentary uh HBO which you can find out on HBO
00:52:34
another one that I thought was pretty good now this is my oldest one on the list was beware the Slenderman which is
00:52:42
HP as well another good one and then have you seen I'll be gone in the dark okay which is HBO as well I was actually
00:52:53
thinking about that on my way to the garage today because I have watched the first episode
00:53:03
but I got several more to go so we'll see here Captain does it make the kernel list for next year let us know what you
00:53:11
think go to True Crime garage.com or Instagram or Facebook we'll have a little post on all the
00:53:20
different social media platforms and just let us know what you think or give us some suggestions to watch because I
00:53:26
like to write those down and when we do get a free chance in between cases I'll actually make time to dive into some
00:53:35
documentaries that I miss along the way so I always appreciate that and we'll have our list for our top five true
00:53:44
crime documentaries on the blog at truecrimegarage.com [Music] I want to thank everybody for joining us
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this week in the garage you're welcome hopefully you guys have enough to check out enough to binge gave you something
00:54:12
to chew on right yeah something binge-worthy so until next week be good be kind and don't litter
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