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crimes was let out. Today, they found the bodies of at least three young boys buried under his house. He is charged
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with murder. Here's Jim Cummings. >> Police have been watching John Gasey's suburban Chicago home for the past 10
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days. They became suspicious when 15-year-old Robert Past disappeared after he allegedly was last seen with
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Gasey. This morning, police searched Gayy's home and found the decomposed remains of three bodies in a dirt crawl
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space under the house. They suspect there are several more bodies buried here. >> It's suspected because of the looks of
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the area down in the crawl space. Uh there are some other mounds and appears to be more there.
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Gayy is a 36-year-old building contractor who reportedly dressed like a clown to entertain at children's
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they continue to search for other bodies in this quiet suburban neighborhood. [Music]
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Chicago, Illinois, March 17th, 1942, St. Patrick's Day. Mr. John Gayy and Mrs. Marian Gayy welcomed their first son
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into the world at Edgewater Hospital. They named him after his father. >> Well, technically they named him after
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the mother's favorite actor, John Wayne. So, John Wayne Gayy Jr. His father was John Stanley Gayy. So, technically not
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even a junior. He was the second of three children. his older sister Joanne was born two years before him and two
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years after him was his little sister Karen. All three attended Catholic schools and they grew up on the northern
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side of Chicago. John Wayne Gasey was not a particularly popular kid in school, although he got along well with
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his teachers and made friends at school. He was part of the Boy Scouts and he enjoyed the outdoor activities that came
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with being a part of the Boy Scouts. Now, Gayy's father was pretty hard on the children, and Gayy felt that he was
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abused mostly emotionally and verbally. His father often told Gayy that he was a
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disappointment, that he was dumb, that he was stupid, >> that he was a [ __ ] >> Yeah. And he he would even call him
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some, >> let's say, slurs that we will not be using on today's episode. >> Yeah. And it seems to me like John
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Stanley was very excited to have a boy. >> Mhm. >> To have John Gayy in the, you know, John
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Wayne Gayy into the family, but instead of, you know, fishing and playing sports
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and stuff like that, he was into gardening. He was into hanging out with his mother, hanging out with his sister.
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>> And it sounds like John's father, John Senior, was a pretty difficult man to be
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around. Now, I don't know if that if John Gayy senior was hard on the two daughters as much as he was on John Gayy
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Jr. >> Yeah. He he whooped them all with a razor belt. >> Mhm. But I'm I'm guessing that that John
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Wayne Gayy Jr. probably got the worst of it. Uh being treated a little bit differently by his crappy father simply
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because he was the only boy. Mhm. >> Now, in 1951, when John Wayne Gayy was 9 years old, he
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was diagnosed with some kind of heart condition. Um, from my understanding, the diagnosis was a non-specific heart
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ailment. >> Yeah. And they detected this because any, you know, he was playing outside
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with some people, with some friends at school, and he passed out. Well, and this could be part of a a larger problem
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here because a couple years later when when John Gasey was 11 years old, now the story goes like this. He was playing
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near a swing set and he was hit in the head by one of the swings. Now, you would think that this would be a rather
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small accident. However, this is believed to be the cause of a of a blood clot that formed in John Gasey's brain.
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Um the blood clot was not discovered until Gayy was 16. From the age of 11 to the age of 16, Gayy suffered severe
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headaches and he often blacked out. This was caused believed to be caused by the
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blood clot because the blackout stopped after the clot was discovered and Gayy was given medication to to dissolve the
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blockage in the brain. Uh this would be a pretty traumatic experience when you think about it though. You have this
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young boy who's trying to fit in with the other boys and he goes through through this period of what five years
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where he's he's got these weird blackouts that would happen from time to time. >> John Wayne Gayy wasn't doing so well in
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school which was another big disappointment to his father. So he actually started taking on a trade and
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this was pretty common back in the day. So he started working with a printing press, but because he kept on blacking
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out, they said, "Look, you cannot work on a printing press machine if you're going to keep blacking out."
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>> Yeah. It's too dangerous. Something horrible could happen to him. Well, he was hospitalized several times over the
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years. Uh this for the blood clot and for his heart condition. >> Uh he was having quite a bit of problems
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with this. Uh this being in his late school years. uh Gayy was a good student when he was much younger, but maybe
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because of these health problems, uh it it turned out that he ended up not being
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able to be a good student. Uh despite the medical problems, Gayy was considered a hard worker. He took on a
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part-time job, several part-time jobs after school. He had newspaper routes, and he also worked at a uh grocery
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store, at one of those IGA stores as a bag boy and a stock clerk. That was one of my favorite places to go as a kid.
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>> We had one here in town and that you would always hope to get a couple bucks from mom and dad so you could buy some
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candy after school. Uh although Gayy and his father had a lot of problems as the
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captain said, John Gasey's relationship with his mother and his sisters were very strong. He was extremely close with
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his mother and his sisters. Uh there is rumor and speculation that John Wayne Gayy senior that the the father was not
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only abusive but also an alcoholic. Uh there is some suspicion that he physically abused his wife and verbally
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abused all three of the children as well. Um >> well there's not a lot of suspicion that
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he was a alcoholic. He was an alcoholic. He he ends up dying from cerosis of the
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liver. >> Mhm. Well, needless to say, the the family had problems. Uh, several times
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John's mother threatened to leave John's father. And even though John Senior was
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an unpleasant individual, um, John Jr. did seek out attention from his father and he desperately wanted to gain his
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father's approval. >> I mean, I think you see that with most boys, you know, they want the they
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always kind of seek their approval of the father more so than the mother, I I would assume. Well, and outside of these
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medical problems, there were some red flags regarding John Wayne Gasey's childhood. And now, these are stories
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that were relayed uh from his mother and his sisters. But when John was about five or six years old, he got in trouble
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within the family. And uh he had been stealing his mother's undergarments >> and these these undergarments kept
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disappearing and disappearing. Eventually, they found out that it was John that was taking them. Um, and he
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would eventually bury them underneath the house after he stole them from his mother. Uh, having been caught for this
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and scolded for it, uh, he he didn't do this, you know, whatever bad habit this was, he fell out of it for quite a few
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years. But when he was about 15 or 16, he started doing something similar, but it wasn't his mother's undergarments. He
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would steal the undergarments of girls that lived in the neighborhood off of the clothing lines. You know, they hang
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them out to dry >> and he would steal them. And it was discovered that he would bury these
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underneath the house as well. >> The old panty snatcher. >> Now, John attended several schools, uh,
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several high schools, and he never ended up graduating. Um his father did help him out after school um by helping him
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get his first car, but it was one of those situations where >> he helped him out by kicking his ass.
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>> Well, it was one of those situations where you wonder if John Senior was actually trying to help the boy or not
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because it it was a situation where it's like, okay, dad goes and gets the car for John and now John Gayy Jr. has to
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pay payments to his father. Well, what ends up happening in these situations, and I'm sure a lot of us have been
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there, but then dad ends up being in charge of the car, you know, it's something that you always has have to
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ask him if you can use your car to go here or there. Um, you know, and he can remind you, well, you're behind on your
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payments or it's actually my car. No, you can't take it to go here or there, >> right? Which you have the right to if
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you bought the car. >> Yeah. And so this ends up to ends up leading to a whole bunch of fights and
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arguments regarding the vehicle. Well, John decides to run away from home, which is a strange thing to say when a
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person is 18 or 19 years old that they ran away from home, but that's how he describes it. And he ran away and he
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went to Las Vegas. Well, when he gets to Las Vegas, this was not a really wellthoughtout plan by John Gasey Jr.
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because he's in a strange town and he has no money. What happens while he's there, he ends up going to the hospital,
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>> okay? and he's unable to pay the hospital bill. Uh they wanted him to pay it was something small, you know, $36,
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which is quite a bit more money back then, >> but he didn't have any money to pay this
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bill. But this will give you an idea of what kind of personality John Wayne Gasey had was that over the course of
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discussing this bill and during his hospital visit, he ends up getting a job with the hospital,
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>> you know, and that's the kind of personality he had. He was he was the type that they say could talk to anybody
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and he ended up being >> he he could talk your panties right off >> or just take him off the clothesline,
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>> right? >> Um but he ends up getting a job driving an ambulance. Now he's eventually fired
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from this job. He doesn't have it for very long because they discovered that he has no high school diploma, which was
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of course, you know, a requirement for this type of job. >> Now he's in a strange town. He doesn't
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have any friends. He doesn't have any family there. Remember, he's very close with his mother and his sisters. And
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he's he's very depressed while he's in Las Vegas. >> So, the whole time he's in Vegas, even
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though he ran away from home, he's starting to save back a little bit m little bit of money so he can return to
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his family and return to his home. I think anytime somebody moves away, you know, especially in this situation, he
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he he wants to move away to get away from his father, but he still wants to impress his father, right?
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>> He still wants to do something that says, "See, old man, I did something." >> Yeah. And you'll see this when he
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returns from Las Vegas. When he comes home, now this is the early 1960s. He enrolled in a business college and he
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eventually graduated from this business college. So, how do you get into college
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with no high school diploma? >> I think uh some of these schools, if you're willing to pay the bill, right,
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>> they'll figure out a way to get you through. So, while at business college, he perfected his talent as a salesman.
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>> Um, and he was a he's what people describe as a naturalb born salesman. He could talk his way in or out of almost
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anything. and he put his talents to work when he was hired at his first real job,
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let's call it, uh, after business school when he goes to work for a shoe company.
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Now, he excelled in his position as a management trainee. And not too long after, he was transferred to manage a
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men's clothing outlet in Springfield, Illinois. >> And at this time, he's going to actually
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find a girl that's going to put up with him and uh, marry her. >> Yes, this is September of ' 64. Gasey
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met uh what would be his his soontobe wife. Uh she was a coworker. Her name is Marilyn Meyers. Now her parents owned a
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string of Kentucky Fried Chicken fast food restaurant franchises in Waterlue, Iowa. Fred Meyers is her father. Uh
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Gasey's new father-in-law. He offered him a position with one of the franchises. Mhm.
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>> Soon after that, Gayy and his new wife. >> Well, and a little quick point here is I
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think like we talked about, this is a guy that felt like he was a failure and wanted to get ahead and wanted to be,
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you know, some kind of status. I mean, where maybe the status was actually more important than the actual money, but
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also now I met this girl and her family actually owns businesses. >> Yeah. She has successful parents,
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>> right? this could be a good step for my, you know, my career. >> So, the Gayy, the young Gayy family,
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well, Gayy and his wife anyway, are going to move to Iowa so he can take one of these positions working for his new
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father-in-law. Um, now people in the restaurant biz know this. Restaurant managers work a lot of hours and Gayy
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was often working 12, 14, 16 hour days, >> but he was a workaholic. >> Yes. And the plan was that he would
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learn the business and then take over the franchise from his father-in-law someday.
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>> Yeah. >> When Gayy was not working, he was active in the Waterlue, Iowa JC's. The JC's is
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a is a civic organization for people between the ages of 18 and 40, right? It's a notfor-profit organization that's
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that has like great leadership training, business development, management skills,
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and community service is all involved with your work with the >> It's basically a good way to network.
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>> Mhm. >> And and to get ahead and he was really interested. He he actually started a
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committee, right? >> Mhm. >> And what was that committee? I want you to say it. I'm not gonna say it.
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>> What was the committee? It was a It was a don't litter committee and it was it was all about not
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littering. >> He hated the litter bugs. >> I'm sorry. I just I just when when I read that I I just cracked up. But so
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meanwhile, as he's uh doing this non-littering committee >> over at KFC, he is demanding that people call him the
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Colonel. >> Yeah. You can't make this stuff up, people. >> Well, he he like the captain's saying,
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he worked tirelessly performing volunteer work uh through with the community through the JC's. It was there
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that he had made most of his friends and he spent most of his free time working with the JC's. Shortly after arriving in
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Iowa, Gayy and his wife, they had their first baby, a son, and they also had a daughter while they were living there.
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>> Right. and his family members would say, you know, this is kind of the first time
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that John Stanley Gayy is looking at John Wayne Gasey and saying, "Hey, that's my boy. My boy settled down. My
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boy has a job. >> My boy is supporting his family. He's married." Um, you know, I I think John
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Stanley Gayy was kind of worried about his son's sexuality. And so that now the fact that he's married and has kids,
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it's like my boy is doing good. And actually was it was kind of the first time that John Stanley was proud of his
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son. >> Well, and I think regarding the the mother's undergarments and maybe part of
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the reason why the father was so hard on him, um it it was not outwardly stated by her, but the belief by the family was
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that he was wearing these these undergarments. And that might have led his father to believe certain things
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about his son. But like you said, now he's he's out on his own. He's working for his his father-in-law and his
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successful father-in-law and he's he's working to build a family. Uh the Gasey's John and his wife, they had
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every reason to be happy uh during their first few years there in Iowa. They had
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a nice house in the suburbs. Uh the kids were healthy. Uh Marilyn, his wife, enjoyed staying at home and taking care
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of the children. And John had a good job and he was busy with the JC's. He was even working on a campaign for uh
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presidency of the local JC chapter there. >> Yeah. >> Uh everything seemed almost too good to
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be true and in fact we end up learning that it indeed it was. Um everything seemed to be looking good for John Wayne
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Gasey Jr. yet his lucky streak would not last too much longer. Well, and I don't
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know if it was just a lux streak as much as I think he had these desires or thoughts inside of him that he was now
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becoming not able to control. Yeah. And there was some thoughts that that John Wayne Gasey might be homosexual. Um,
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this is kind of stemming from from some of the young guys working at the KFC restaurant, right? Uh they say that he
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is making passes at them um during work hours and while working with with Gayy at the fast food chain. Um yet people
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close to him, you know, refuse to believe the gossip. Uh >> right. Well, here's a married man with
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with two kids. And at the same time that you have this going on at the Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant, you also have
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rumors spreading around town amongst the JC members regarding Gayy's sexual preference.
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>> Um, and you know, there always seemed to be young boys, uh, young men were always
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in Gayy's presence, >> right? But there's a couple odd things that are happening here. Okay, so John
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Wayne Gayy is in charge of recruiting people and he would stop at nothing to recruit these people for the JC and like
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we said it's this uh community organization and it's supposed to be about networking and helping the
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community and John Wayne Gayy decides well I'll rent a hotel and I'll start showing these recruits illegal
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pornography tapes >> or stag films. Yeah. >> Right. So that then turns into not only
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are we going to watch these tapes, but we're going to hire prostitutes and have orgies.
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>> Mhm. >> So that's going on the whole time. People of this town of power are having these these orgy
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parties. And he's also starting at this point to to swing with his wife as well.
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So you you got a lot of weird stuff going on. So, but then the rumors about, you know,
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the JC starts saying, "Hey, well, we know he's doing some of this stuff, but we're doing it, too." The odd stuff is
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that he's hanging around a lot of young boys. >> Mhm. Well, and with a lot of these
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organizations, um, the way that you can rise to the top very, very quickly is by
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recruiting numbers. And if you can recruit more members than anybody else, then you become very popular and a
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person of power with inside that organization. >> And on top of that, if you recruited
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that person and then you have also this information to hang over their head. >> Mhm.
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>> Oh, you know, you might might not want to, you know, rub me the wrong way because you don't want me telling your
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wife about this. >> Well, and Gayy was getting large numbers of recruits, like almost unheard of
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numbers of recruits. And it's believed that because he threw these wild crazy parties, right,
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>> that a lot of these people were signing up just to be part of these parties, not
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so much to be really truly involved with the organization itself. Now, in the spring of 1968,
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um, Gayy ends up being indicted on charges of sodomy. Now, in most jurisdictions, sodomy is a pretty broad,
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vague charge. The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in law, but are understood
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by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be unnatural or immoral. Um, now there's there's two sides to this
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particular sodomy charge uh that that go down here. Um, do you want to give >> Yeah. So, basically the victim's
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accounts of the story is they're hanging out with John Wayne Gayy hanging out at
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John's house. John shows him a stag film and then gives him some alcohol. This would lead to some sexual advances.
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>> Um, you know, we we know the victim's name, but we're not going to say it out
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of respect to them. So, obviously, there's this very inappropriate exchange between adult male and basically a
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teenage boy. >> Mhm. >> That teenage boy just kind of lives with it and doesn't tell anybody. And Gatesy
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actually pays him, I think, 50 bucks and also tells him, "Hey, by the way, I have
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connections with the mob. So, if you want to you want to talk about this, uh, you're going to be in for some trouble."
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Right? >> So, the boy starts acting strange and eventually breaks down to his parents.
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The problem with this is his father is is high up with the JC's, but just high up as a public figure. Well, and some of
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those things align with with the version of the story that I'm going to tell. Now, this is according to John Wayne
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Gasey, by the way. We'll throw that out there. And that's that's primarily why we're not going to use this young man's
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name. But according to Gayy, the young man was a homosexual young man uh who didn't mind having sex with men for
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money or sexual favors with men for money. Now, Gayy says that the two of them were involved um that they would
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get together often. Um, and for some reason the two ended up in a dispute about money and that the young man went
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to law enforcement and said that Gayy had forced him into some kind of sexual act. Uh, Gayy is picked up for this. He
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denies all of the charges against him. Uh, later Gasey was charged with an additional charge with hiring a another
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boy to beat up his accuser. uh Gayy offered some money to another young man so that the young man could pay off his
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car loan and in exchange he was going to beat up this kid. And the way that this
00:28:30
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00:28:39
sprays him in the face and eyes with mace and then he he tries to beat him up. However, the boy, he fights back and
00:28:47
he ends up breaking the boy's nose and he manages to get away. He then calls police and lets them know that he was
00:28:54
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00:29:02
gives them John Wayne Gasey's name again explaining that, you know, I was hired to attack this kid. Ultimately, the
00:29:10
judge in this situation sentenced John Wayne Gasey to 10 years in Iowa State Reformatory for men. The maximum time
00:29:18
that you are allowed to give for this such offense. Uh John Wayne Gayy was 26 years old at this time. Now, shortly
00:29:26
after Gayy entered prison, his wife divorced him on the grounds that he had violated their marriage vows. Now, while
00:29:33
in prison, he was he was considered a model prisoner. He remained nonviolent and well behaved and he hoped for an
00:29:40
>> well he was a plus-size model prisoner >> and he hoped for an early parole and
00:29:45
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00:34:45
prison for sodomy charges. >> And after only 18 months in prison, well, they let John Wayne Gasey go. In
00:34:53
June of 1970, John Wayne Gasey left prison and he wanted to return to well, just like Robert Johnson first said and
00:35:00
later the Blues Brothers, he returned to Sweet Home Chicago. >> Now, John Wayne Gasey never ended up
00:35:07
having the type of relationship that he desired with his father and he never got
00:35:12
a chance to rectify that situation after getting out of prison because John's father passed away during his time in
00:35:19
prison. This affected John big time. I think maybe because when John's dad dies, well, John is in prison and for
00:35:27
sodomy charges, too. So, in a sense, isn't John the homosexual stupid loser that his father always told him that he
00:35:36
would be and that he was? >> Mhm. I think John wanted to do something with his life to prove to his father
00:35:43
that he wasn't stupid, that he wasn't a loser and maybe win his father's approval and affection at some point in
00:35:51
his life, >> right? >> And and he had that for a small period >> with the family and everything, but now
00:35:56
that's that's all wiped away. >> So John Wayne Gasey moved home. He moved in with his uh mother and obtained work
00:36:03
as a chef in a Chicago restaurant. uh a job that he seemed to enjoy and he worked at it with quite a bit of
00:36:09
enthusiasm, right? >> And after a few months of living with his mother, Gasey decided he wanted to
00:36:15
buy a house and his mother had been impressed with how he had adjusted to life outside of the prison and she
00:36:22
decided to help him get a house. Now, this would be located just outside of Chicago's city limits. and all of his
00:36:28
family claimed that after John Wayne Gayy got out of prison, he had this insatiable drive to be something and
00:36:36
become something. >> Yeah. And it was in 1971 when John Wayne Gasey met Carol Huff. Um she was newly
00:36:44
divorced. Mother >> Well, hold on. Not to correct you, but that's not when they met. They were they
00:36:50
were friends from childhood basically school friends. >> Well, they they they became engaged at
00:36:56
some point. And I believe this took place at some point in 1971. Uh they weren't married until the
00:37:02
following year, but Carol Huff was a newly divorced mother of two. She had two daughters, right?
00:37:07
>> Um you know, you know, after the fact, people say that Gayy probably romanced
00:37:13
uh this woman who was in a state of emotional vulnerability. Um and that she she fell for him. She she says that she
00:37:20
was attracted to Gasey's charm and his generosity. one, he's a hard worker >> and she believed he would be a good
00:37:26
provider for her and her children. She was aware of Gasey's prison experience. Um yet she trusted that he had changed
00:37:34
his life around for the better. Uh and Carol and her daughters quickly settled into their new home with John Wayne
00:37:42
Gasey. >> Well, and she also knew about what he claimed to be uh him being bisexual. It
00:37:48
was around this same time that John Wayne Gasey decided he wanted to go into business for himself. Um, and he was
00:37:55
going to strike it out on his own. He began a contracting business named PDM Inc. which stood for painting,
00:38:03
decorating, and maintenance incorporated. Uh, he hired young teenage boys to work for him. He told his
00:38:09
friends that he hired such young men to keep the cost low. Uh, which is which is
00:38:14
true. He could hire and pay guys that were 15 to 18 years old and pay them $5 an hour, right? Which was almost double
00:38:23
what kids could make at other jobs at that time. He could pay them well and at the same time he would be paying them
00:38:30
quite a bit less than he would have to pay an adult with a good amount of experience. However, that might not have
00:38:37
been Gasey's only reason for hiring these teenage boys. Well, I mean, and we and we've kind of gone back and forth on
00:38:44
this. Um, because a lot of these documentaries when they talk about Casey, they never bring up the idea of
00:38:51
pedophilia really, you know, it's always just talks about, you know, that he was
00:38:55
attracted to teenage boys >> or young men. They most of the time they say young men.
00:39:01
>> Yeah. And and I think one at the time of all this stuff going around, this is not
00:39:07
a commonly used term. Pedophilia did not become a commonly used commonly used term until the 80s
00:39:15
>> um and probably the late 80s. >> Well, and we talked about that when we covered the Johnny Gosh case. You know,
00:39:21
that the investigators were using the word pedophilia or pedophile and parents were saying they didn't know what that
00:39:28
term meant. They had not heard that term before. And this was taking place in the
00:39:32
early 80s. >> And this was different times. I mean, there was a lot of people that there was
00:39:36
a lot of people that did not even finish high school. They just go straight to work. Mhm.
00:39:41
>> So, we were kind of talking earlier about how maybe they don't use the term pedophilia because back then, you know,
00:39:49
17, 18year-old boy is back then was a man. >> Could have been looked at as in the
00:39:56
public's eye as a man. Because, you know, it seems to me like you have this >> you have this mindset that that maybe of
00:40:04
course 18 is the separation. you know, 18 is the legal divider between a child and an adult. However, but in the
00:40:12
public's eye, in the, you know, the general >> consens consensus I got was that a man
00:40:19
and a boy were more separated by a high school diploma rather than being 18. Because like you said, a lot of times
00:40:25
people would get that high school diploma and they would go work for their father in their father's business or
00:40:30
they would go off on a trade. Uh they would start their own business. They would go into some form of work that
00:40:36
could end up being their career, their adult life. >> Yeah. I think you see this a lot like
00:40:41
with movies like Days and Confused and stuff like that. You graduated high school. It is time. You're entering the
00:40:47
real world. It's time to become a man. >> Mhm. Well, the Gayies threw a lot of parties. Uh and when it came to parties,
00:40:56
well, John Wayne Gasey, he was the man. He he knew what to do. He knew how to throw a great party. Uh he would often
00:41:02
host block parties and yard parties. A lot of them were were themed parties. Um you know he did some things like um I
00:41:10
think he did like a western style party and a southern jubilee and a Hawaiian party. Uh so these big extravagant
00:41:17
parties that he would throw. And anyway at Gayy's parties he always had a lot of
00:41:22
booze, poker games, you know, maybe some pot. And remember we said that he was a
00:41:29
member of the JC's. Well, this is something that carried once he moved back to Chicago. He was a member of the
00:41:35
JC's, but he was also a member of the Democratic party as well. >> Yeah. So, uh, Ted Bundy was a Republican
00:41:43
and John Wayne Gasey was a Democrat. So, that's why I'm an independent. >> But Gayy was able to get more people to
00:41:52
sign up for the JC's and more people to sign up for the Democratic Party than anyone else in the area. and he was up
00:41:59
to his old tactics. uh he was he was even given some awards you know like man of the year awards and things like that
00:42:07
>> and you know he did this uh for his work with the JC's but but also with the Democratic party he was throwing these
00:42:17
extravagant parties but they were also those parties that we talked about before you know where
00:42:22
>> stag films >> yeah it was a lot of booze maybe pot some gambling but it would end up with
00:42:27
these stag films maybe hire some strippers uh some sometimes escorts and things like that.
00:42:33
>> Yeah. And just let's put this into perspective a little bit. This is people in the community getting together,
00:42:39
people of power in the community getting together and being persuaded by Stack Films.
00:42:45
>> Yeah. And other foolishness, >> right? I mean, it's it's that stuff exists. Yeah. That's that's to me is
00:42:52
creepy as hell. >> It's weird. And but again, for Gayy, it's ways to get his membership
00:42:57
enrollment up. Um, and and to me it also shows that some of these newcomers, these newbies seem to be there, in my
00:43:05
opinion, more for these crazy parties rather than to actually be involved in the community itself.
00:43:10
>> Yeah, these animals are probably littering everywhere. >> Well, it's around the same time that
00:43:15
John Wayne Gasey unleashed his new creation, uh, Pogo the clown. He he he becomes a clown. And I know at different
00:43:23
parts during his little clown experiment or whatever he was doing that that he did go under different names, but I
00:43:31
believe Pogo the clown is the most accepted one that that he, you know, fancied himself.
00:43:37
>> Yeah. Most popular one. But hey, Gayy, put on your cup, son. Put on your cup.
00:43:42
>> Well, uh, he, like I said, he unleashed his new creation of Pogo the clown. Ga
00:43:48
John Wayne Gasey was a clown. I'm going to unleash a punch to your nuts. >> He entertained children at parties and
00:43:54
even volunteered at local hospitals, you know, to try to cheer up the kids. And and maybe it's just because what we know
00:44:02
now about John Wayne Gasey, but looking at those pictures, I mean, other than him being fat, you know, other than him
00:44:10
being a a pudgy guy, >> a plus-size >> prison model, >> he still he's still a creepy looking
00:44:17
clown to me. I don't know if it's again I don't know if it's cuz we know about him or if
00:44:22
>> Well, one of the things that I noticed was you know the mouth the way he painted the mouth that most clowns paint
00:44:30
circular mouths uh >> and his had points. >> Yeah, he had points at the end. >> Uh
00:44:36
>> yeah, you'd think but you know and look you'd think you know weight aside you'd
00:44:43
think that maybe you know Santa Claus is jolly >> right? so that maybe they'd be a jolly
00:44:48
clown. But I think because of the points on the mouth is really kind of what gave
00:44:52
it away. And also, you know, John Wayne had these um these pointy eyebrows. >> Mhm.
00:45:00
>> You know, just that he he inherited. So, I think those those two elements is kind
00:45:05
of what makes Pogo a little creo. Mhm. Well, and before we get too far down on another road, let's go ahead and go
00:45:15
through this portion of John Wayne Gasey's life. Him and his wife start having marital problems. And it's
00:45:22
believed that some of this stemmed from her picking up on Gayy's homosexual desires.
00:45:28
>> Now, we had said earlier that, you know, she was aware of his prison sentence.
00:45:33
>> Well, he was aware she was aware of his bisexuality. >> Yeah. and he's pro she's probably aware
00:45:38
of his version of his prison sentence and why he was guilty, >> right? >> Um but yeah, she's aware that he he is
00:45:47
bisexual, but at the same time, you know, she's also finding magazines around the house uh with lots of naked
00:45:54
men in them, uh books about gay fantasies, and he's very casual, nonchalant about kind of leaving these
00:46:01
all over the house and in almost every room of the house as well. But at this >> Well, and I don't think that matters if
00:46:08
it's, you know, homosexual thoughts or just heterosexual thoughts. I think if you're with somebody,
00:46:14
>> there's a lot of times that you'd be offended, you know, like >> if you're just, you know, there's
00:46:19
Playboy magazines everywhere. I think at some point your wife might go, "Hey, can
00:46:24
you just pick this up?" Yeah. >> You know, you got to throw it in my face like this.
00:46:27
>> Well, you have to show respect for your spouse as well as there's the children
00:46:32
that are in the house as well. you know, you can't just you shouldn't just be having these things laying around. But
00:46:37
at the same time, he's also becoming a little more violent. Uh his his personality is changing as far as she is
00:46:46
concerned. >> And at this point, he's yelling a lot. Uh he's he's even throwing furniture at
00:46:53
times when he gets upset. >> He's becoming his father. >> Yes. This sort of thing is what's going
00:46:57
on. And it eventually Carol would file for divorce. Uh the the couple's divorce became final in 1976.
00:47:08
>> So yeah, drinking is getting heavier. He's becoming more violent. Uh he's having more sexual desires. And this is
00:47:17
all going to come to a big flame. >> Yeah. And the two of them have basically no romance between the two of them for
00:47:24
quite some time as well. Now, I wanted to go down that road before we we got to this because we're going to
00:47:29
>> You want to go down the romance road? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I love you, Captain. Now, we're
00:47:34
going to start talking and introducing some new people here. Uh, but these are certainly key persons to this story and
00:47:41
to this case. >> And the first one that I want to introduce is 17-year-old Johnny
00:47:46
>> Bukovich. >> I think he's been waiting all day to say that name. >> Old Buckovich.
00:47:50
>> Uh, but anyway, Johnny worked for John Wayne Gasey. >> That's my last name. And in fact,
00:47:55
Captain Bukovich. In fact, they worked a lot of hours together and they even hung
00:48:00
out together off of the clock. Uh, at one point they are around each other so much and so often that people started
00:48:08
referring to them as Big John and Little John. And Johnny or Little John to some
00:48:14
was like most young men. He was he was into cars. He took great pride in his 68 Dodge. uh not only did he drive it and
00:48:23
race it, but he was always working on the vehicle as well. And having this job allowed him to, you know, work on this
00:48:30
vehicle and spend some money on his car. Uh Johnny did remodeling work for Gayy at PDM Contractors,
00:48:38
>> a position that he enjoyed, a position that paid him well. >> And you also have your boss that's
00:48:43
probably getting you booze >> and you couldn't get booze at the time. >> Mhm. You know, so everybody knows, you
00:48:49
know, when you're 19, 20 and you're trying to get some booze, everybody knows their 21 or 22 year old friend
00:48:55
that would get them booze. >> Right. >> Right. You keep that contact close. >> Right. Even as close as they were,
00:49:01
however, their their working relationship ended abruptly when Gayy refused to pay Johnny for two weeks
00:49:08
worth of work. >> Right. um angered at Gayy uh and angered that he had withheld his pay. Johnny
00:49:16
went over to his boss's house. This was with two friends. To try to scare Gayy and to try to collect his money. Um when
00:49:25
Johnny confronted Gayy about the paycheck, Gayy refused to pay him. And now, of course, we have a large
00:49:31
argument. Johnny threatened that he was going to tell the authorities that John Wayne Gasey was not deducting taxes from
00:49:39
the earnings. Uh Gasey was enraged and he screamed at him and we have this big fight going on. But what ends up
00:49:45
happening is Johnny and his friends basically realized that there wasn't a whole lot that they could do about this
00:49:53
situation. And they eventually >> you're kind of [ __ ] out of luck at this point.
00:49:57
>> Yeah. He's just not going to give you any money. Mhm. >> And um at the end of the day, they end
00:50:02
up leaving Casey's house. Johnny dropped off his friends at their homes and he drove away and then he's never seen
00:50:10
alive again. >> But later on we'll have a odd explanation of this story coming from
00:50:16
Gayy himself. >> Yes. The next person we want to talk about is Michael Bonan. Now he was about
00:50:22
17 years old as well. Um and he disappeared in June of 76. Now, this is a situation where he was supposed to
00:50:29
catch a train. Uh he was going to meet his stepfather's brother at some location.
00:50:34
>> Uh authorities are not certain that Michael ever got on that train. Uh there, but they know that he never made
00:50:42
it to meet his stepfather's brother. He just simply disappeared. He's not seen after that.
00:50:47
>> Right. And now in the same area, >> we have a we have more boys going missing.
00:50:52
>> Yes. Uh the next boy is Billy Carol Jr. Uh he's the kind of kid that was always
00:50:58
getting into trouble. Um at the age of >> Come on, Billy. >> At the age of nine, um he was in a
00:51:04
juvenile home for stealing a purse. >> At the age of 11, he was caught with a gun and he got into more trouble. Um
00:51:11
now, Billy in and out of trouble his whole life. He spent most of his time on the streets in Uptown Chicago. Now, at
00:51:18
the age of about 16, Billy was making money by arranging meetings between teenage boys and adult clientele for
00:51:27
money. >> That's definitely put him in a compromising position. >> Yes. Because I don't know if it was
00:51:32
because of Billy's little business that he had, but he knew John Wayne Gasey. And ultimately, just like Johnny and
00:51:40
Michael that we just spoke of, Billy also disappeared suddenly. This was on June 13th of 1976. Billy left his home
00:51:48
and he was never seen alive again. >> Do we have any other boys that went missing?
00:51:52
>> We have Gregory Godzik. Um he actually had a job with PDM Inc. Uh he worked for
00:51:59
John Wayne Gasey and he didn't mind the odd jobs that he was picking up or the work that he would do. But on December
00:52:07
12th, 1976, uh, Gregory dropped his date off at her home, a girl that he had had a crush on
00:52:14
for some time and and been seeing her for a little bit, and he drove off, she says, in the direction of his house. U,
00:52:21
but the following day, police found Gregory's car. This was a 1966 Pontiac, >> but Gregory was nowhere to be found. Um,
00:52:30
he was he was 17 years old at the time. In January of 1977, 19-year-old John Seek also disappeared, much like the
00:52:41
other young men before him. He had driven off in his 1971 Plymouth satellite, and he was never seen alive
00:52:48
again. But interestingly enough, a short while after the young man vanished, another teenager was picked up by police
00:52:56
in a 1971 Plymouth satellite while trying to leave a gas station without paying for the gasoline.
00:53:03
>> Right. The young man was a one Michael Rossi and said that the man that he worked with could explain the situation.
00:53:13
This being the situation with the vehicle, right? >> Uh the man that he worked with was John
00:53:18
Wayne Gasey. And when police met with Gayy, Gasey explained to the police that Zeke had sold him the car, sold John
00:53:26
Wayne Gasey the car, and that John Zeke wanted to run away and he needed some money to take off and to get set up
00:53:34
elsewhere. So, he sold John Wayne Gasey the car before he hitchhiked out of town. Gayy then went on to explain that
00:53:42
he gave the car to his employee, Michael Rossi, and trade for some labor. So rather than paying him for a bunch of
00:53:49
work that Rossi did, he ends up giving him the car. >> Well, I don't think a lot of this stuff
00:53:54
would have happened if he was like on a sexual offender website, you know? >> Yeah. Some kind of regry,
00:54:01
>> right? Because all the stuff that happened in Iowa is not carrying over to Chicago.
00:54:06
>> No. >> So, so we don't really have that on his record. And obviously cops are getting a
00:54:11
little suspicious at this point. >> Mhm. Well, and and the thing we've seen with Gayy too is yeah, there might be
00:54:18
some people that are aware of this sodomy charge that that he had in Iowa or aware that he spent some time in
00:54:24
prison because the thing with Gayy is he liked to not only did he like to talk to
00:54:29
people, but he also liked to lie and embellish stories about himself. So, I could see him possibly telling some of
00:54:35
these 17, 18 year old boys that, yeah, you know, you know what kind I'm a real man. I've been to prison before, you
00:54:42
know. Um, oh, what were you? But now you got to answer the question, well, what were you in prison for? And, um,
00:54:48
>> I'm a real man because I like real boys. >> Yeah, but but then you get the John
00:54:52
Wayne Gasey version of why he was in prison, you know, embellishing and probably just lying about the situation.
00:54:59
Uh, we also have Robert Gilroy. Um, he was an avid outdoorsman, uh, camper. He loved horseback riding. on September of
00:55:09
1977. Uh he's 18 years old at this time. Gilroy was supposed to catch a bus with
00:55:16
uh some friends to go horseback riding, but he never shows up for this event. Now, Gilroyy's father,
00:55:22
>> that's like the second one that was trying to catch a bus. >> Yeah. Gilroyy's father is a police
00:55:27
sergeant, a Chicago police sergeant at the time, and he immediately began searching for his son. and they un
00:55:34
unleashed a fullscale investigation with big-time searches. Uh, you know, even though they did all this effort, nothing
00:55:42
turned up. And when the leads stopped coming in, Robert Gilroy was still missing.
00:55:47
>> Why this is all going on? John Wayne Gayy has an employee by the name of David Cra,
00:55:54
>> right? Well, according to the documentary, the guy's name is David Cra. >> Now, let's talk about this for a little
00:56:00
bit. >> Go ahead. because you know we both watched a bunch of docos on him and uh
00:56:07
there's just some facts that are just not lining up right >> some of the names some of some of the
00:56:13
stories are the same but some of the names aren't the same >> well you know what I wonder about that
00:56:19
captain is when you when you watch some of these documentaries okay first of all
00:56:24
a a John Wayne Gayy documentary there's a whole batch of them out there I mean there's a ton of them out there, but but
00:56:31
they're typically what, like 40 minutes to maybe 1 hour long. This is a much longer and much necessary to be longer
00:56:41
story to tell than 40 minutes or an hour long. There's a whole lot more of a story here. And the thing that I worry
00:56:48
about with some of these documentaries, we've seen it in other ones, you know, that we see on Netflix and Amazon Prime
00:56:54
and things like that. Sometimes they lump some of these stories together, >> right? And so names get mis, you know,
00:57:01
they get mashed together, timelines get a little bit blurry. Um, >> so, so this story could be coming from
00:57:08
David or it could be coming from, >> it could be coming from, I used the name Michael Rossi earlier. Now the thing
00:57:15
here is Captain um you know the story with Gasey gets even more convoluted because he lived in Iowa for a while and
00:57:22
then he lived in Chicago for a while and a lot of the stuff that he did he did in
00:57:26
both places in both locations right so that makes it more confusing but when you watch there's one documentary in
00:57:33
particular where they name this character David Cra now mind you he is it's one of those situ you know they put
00:57:40
the light behind him he's sitting in a chair his face is kind of darkened out. You can't see his face real well. And
00:57:46
then they just kind of they flash this name David Cra. >> Well, his story goes like this. So
00:57:51
whether it's David or if it's this Rossy character >> or or some other name altogether,
00:57:56
>> right? The the story is that the crawl space. >> Mhm. >> He is originally hired to dig trenches
00:58:04
in this crawl space. He doesn't know why. Now, what can happen in like a half basement, if you have a crawl space, you
00:58:12
can dig out that crawl space and then make your basement a full basement. That's a very tough thing to do, but you
00:58:18
can do that. So, he doesn't really know why he's digging these trenches in this crawl space, but he does there. There's
00:58:24
actually, depending on who you talk to, there's a few different stories as to why Gayy wanted these trenches dug in
00:58:33
this crawl space, >> right? One one of the stories being that there they were going to insert some
00:58:38
kind of pipes that were going to go down and they needed the trenches for pipes.
00:58:42
The other story being that there was a foul odor that was in the house and that Gayy was telling people that it was
00:58:50
coming from this crawl space because it would typically get saturated with water
00:58:55
and water would just kind of sit in there and it would just it would unleash this foul odor throughout the entire
00:59:01
home. and he was trying to rid the house of this of this structural problem that
00:59:06
was going on. >> Right? So, this kid is, you know, he's like 16 years old, 17 years old, digging
00:59:11
these trenches in the crawl space of uh John Wayne Gayy's house. Eventually, he rents a room from him. So, he would come
00:59:20
home and and he he lived there for a short period of time working for for John and doing maybe probably working in
00:59:28
the community for other people as well. But one night he comes home and I I this
00:59:32
just I think super creepy. He comes home and John is sitting there in his pogo outfit.
00:59:41
>> Mhm. >> You know, dressed full clown get up and he's drinking and he's like, "Hey, join
00:59:46
me. Let's have some drinks. Let's smoke some pot." >> And Gayy was a big by this point he's
00:59:53
probably a pretty big drinker. Um, you know, I'd heard stories that he would drink full glasses of vodka and things
01:00:00
like that, >> right? So, he's he's pretty wasted already. He's lit. And David is drinking
01:00:07
with him. And he brings out these handcuffs and he's kind of showing him a trick
01:00:14
like how here's how you put on the handcuffs and here's how you get out of it. Like remember how we talked about
01:00:20
like when you're a kid, you have the fake handcuffs. >> Mhm. And then you have these little like
01:00:24
little switch on them on the side so you can just push that little lever and it opens up. So we kind of talked about
01:00:30
that he probably had two sets of handcuffs and he probably had a trick handcuff like here. See, watch me. I put
01:00:37
on the handcuffs and look, I can get out of it. >> Mhm. >> You try them on. >> So when he goes to try them on, he can't
01:00:45
get out of it. And he said, "Well, how do you get out of this thing?" He goes, "Well, you got to know the trick." He
01:00:51
goes, "Well, what's the trick?" He said, "Well, the trick is you got to have a key, right?" And he starts laughing. So,
01:00:57
he's sitting there in his full clown get up, right? Just laughing like a little kid like,
01:01:04
"I got you. I got you." And now at this point, he's poking him, poking him. I got you. You can't get out. Just acting
01:01:12
like a kind of a crazy person. So this individual that is tied up, he then says,
01:01:20
you know, you got to let me out, you know, and he's still being nice at this point. They're still kind of playful.
01:01:26
Yeah, John's being weird, dancing around with the Poco outfit on, but this guy eventually says, "Hey, look, you got to
01:01:33
let me out or I'm going to kick your ass." >> And this sets Gayy into a rage. Right? Mhm. So now he is fighting
01:01:44
basically for his life against Gayy, but he's in handcuffs and he basically is able to because Gayy
01:01:54
is so intoxicated, he's able to knock Gasey over, grab the key, run to the room that he's renting, get himself out,
01:02:04
he leaves, and a couple days later moves out um of of John Wayne Gasey's house. >> Mhm. The crazy thing to me is, could you
01:02:12
imagine a a big, you know, Gasey wasn't tall, but he was a bigger guy. >> He was he was short and stocky,
01:02:22
>> right? But still a lot of mass. And he's drunk and he goes into a rage. And that's not the creepy part. The creepy
01:02:31
part is you're in handcuffs. >> Yeah. You know, I don't mind u punching you in your face, John Wayne Gayy. If if
01:02:41
you know, but if my hands are tied behind my back, I'm [ __ ] out of luck, you know. Good luck fighting that fight.
01:02:47
>> Yeah. >> It's just every time I hear that story, I've heard it maybe three or four times,
01:02:51
but >> every time I hear it, it's just always just uh hands get a little sweaty.
01:02:56
>> Mhm. Well, here here's another creepy story for you here, Captain. And this took place in May of 19778.
01:03:03
I'm sorry. Uh Chicago, Illinois. A man by the name of Jeff Ringnol. Now, uh he had recently returned from a vacation to
01:03:11
Florida. >> He decided to visit an area called New Town. Um it's a popular area of Chicago
01:03:18
uh because he wanted to check out some of the many popular bars they had there as well as disco clubs in that area.
01:03:25
Now, while bar hopping and walking through the area, he sees a black Oldsmobile. Now, inside the vehicle is a
01:03:34
heavy set driver, and the driver leaned out from the window, and he's complimenting uh this young man on his
01:03:42
unseasonably, you know, how unseasonably tan he is. >> And this sparks up a conversation. Um,
01:03:49
and they continued with some small talk and eventually the driver then asked if Jeff wanted to smoke a joint and ride
01:03:56
around in his car. And they would just ride around town and smoke a couple joints. Well, this sounded like a good
01:04:02
idea to Jeff, so he hopped in the car. >> That sounds like an awful idea. >> They drive off. Uh, they're talking,
01:04:09
they're smoking, driving around when all of a sudden the heavy set driver attacks
01:04:15
Jeff. >> He grabbed him and quickly shoved a rag over his face. Now, the rag was dowsted
01:04:21
with chloroform. Jeff lost consciousness. Now, Jeff was kind of going in and out of consciousness for
01:04:28
quite some time. At one point while he was awake, he could see street signs and you know the car is still moving and
01:04:37
he's trying to see these street signs and try to figure out where the car is going, maybe where he's being taken to.
01:04:44
>> Well, he doesn't know this area, >> right? And and of course, he would only be awake for a short period of time, for
01:04:51
short little spurts of time before blacking out again. On one of these times that he came to the stranger again
01:04:59
grabbed him and covered up his face with this chloroform soaked rag and he passed
01:05:05
out again. At some point Jeff remembers being inside of a home >> and the driver was there and they both
01:05:14
are naked. At one point, Jeff remembered seeing on the floor several several dildos, and the stranger
01:05:23
>> was threatening him and telling him how he was going to use them. >> Uh Jeff,
01:05:30
>> no, >> was viciously raped and tortured for hours. Um, and but thank God that he had
01:05:37
been drugged and knocked out for most of it. Now, the next morning, Jeff awoke from uh from these blackouts, but but
01:05:47
when he wakes up, he's now fully clothed and he's propped up against a statue in
01:05:53
Chicago's Lincoln Park. He was in in a lot of pain, >> an amazing amount of pain. And he went
01:06:02
to the hospital where he ended up staying there for 6 days. >> Jesus Christ. Now, during this hospital
01:06:09
stay, Jeff reported the abduction and the rape to police, but he could only provide the police with a little
01:06:17
information regarding the attack because he was blacking out over and over again.
01:06:22
>> Um, he he could recall the vehicle, a black oldsmobile. it. He gave them a description of the heavy set man that
01:06:29
was driving the vehicle and he could tell them basically useless information about some of the details of the inside
01:06:37
of the house like the the color of the carpeting or patterns on the carpeting. >> Right. Um you're in the city of Chicago.
01:06:46
>> Yeah. And here's the thing. This is this you know you're in a whole lot of pain.
01:06:50
You're in the hospital for 6 days. That should explain to most of us how how beaten up this guy was. He's in the
01:06:57
hospital for six days and you're giving this report and you can you you probably
01:07:02
mad at yourself because you can only remember little bits of information. And the police basically they they outwardly
01:07:10
tell Jeff that they were not hopeful that they would be able to find the guy that did this, let alone convict him of
01:07:19
anything because because really they didn't have any information or much to confirm who this abductor could be.
01:07:27
Jeff suffered several skin lacerations, burns, and he also suffered from permanent liver damage believed to be
01:07:36
caused from the the chloroform. And of course, he suffered severe emotional trauma as well. uh obviously,
01:07:44
>> but he was he was fortunate enough to be alive because what what Jeff didn't know
01:07:51
was that the man who attacked and raped him, well, not many of the people escaped that man and very few victims of
01:08:00
his ever survived. Now, here's one crazy thing, though. After Jeff got out of the
01:08:07
hospital and after he was able to kind of shake off some of this trauma and get over the fear of the whole thing that
01:08:14
had just happened, he decided he was going to go back to that same side of town because it was kind of like a party
01:08:21
side of town. It was it was a place where people, you know, smoke a little dope, maybe you pick up a girl or pick
01:08:27
up a guy, whatever. And he thought, you know what? I'm going to go back to that side of town because he had this he had
01:08:34
this black Oldmobile vehicle that he that he got into. He had the image of that thing tattooed on his brain. He
01:08:42
>> Well, he probably had the the you know, the vision of whoever attacked him. >> Mhm.
01:08:47
>> You know, just if I can see this guy again, I I can catch him. >> Yeah. and he ultimately went back to
01:08:54
that side of town several times uh until he ended up spotting the vehicle that he
01:09:00
believed was the one that abducted him, >> right? >> And he wrote down the license plate and
01:09:05
he was later able to provide that license plate number to the Chicago PD. >> There's a lot more that we have to get
01:09:12
to tomorrow. The complete unraveling of this psychopath, John Wayne Gasey. So join us back here tomorrow in the
01:09:20
garage. And for everything true crime, go to trimegar.com. And until next time, be good, be kind,
01:09:27
and don't litter. [Music] [Applause]