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chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] [Music] crime [Music] [Music] I was working a giant schneer by the
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name of ammo and uh he was a cross train to be a cadabra dog was contacted by the Hammond
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Police Department and they took me to a house and they said that they uh had a suspect and they had several missing
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children in in the area missing boys in the area and they wanted to know if my dog could go into the basement of this
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house and conduct a search for him so I put the dog into the basement gave him this command to
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search and he went to a corner of the house in the back corner of the basement and he was trained to do what's called
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an aggressive response which is to scratch and you know like he's digging yeah and he didn't he didn't do that he
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went to the far corner of the house and just stood there and barked so I pulled him back out and I redirected him again
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to do a search and he went back to that corner and did nothing but bark so I uh told the hammer detective he's not
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trained to do that he's trained to give a an aggressive response however Prudence would dictate we better bust up
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some concrete here and take a look because there's a reason why the dog won't leave the
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spot so I cleared the area and about a week later I was contacted by the Hamond police to come back again went back to
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the exact same residence and what they had done is they had taken a drill and started tried to drill through the
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concrete and they discovered that they went down about 10 Ines and there was absolutely they were still solid
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concrete so uh they went back to the other side of the basement and did the same thing started a bore hole there
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went down about 68 inches and gave up so they asked me to send the dog again so I
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did and this time the dog went to the hole in the it would have been the uh southwest corner and he started
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scratching very aggressively so I pulled him off and the detective told me he said man I didn't get that on videotape
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can you do it again and I said sure so I got the dog back he got the videotape up
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I sent the dog and the dog instead of going back to that hole went to the other hole which would have been about
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halfway along the west wall and started scratching there so they got that on videotape so after that I told them that
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uh they should break up they have to break up the concrete now you know that we've got an an aggressive response so I
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cleared and I don't know about 3 Days Later 4 days later they contacted me again and sent me back
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to the same house this time when I got there they had a concrete expert who had determined
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that this guy had whoever the guy was who put this concrete in the basement had used bags and this was David MOS and
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he had used he had to use like some phenomenal amount like 80 bags of concrete or some phenomenal
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amount they also brought in a forensic entomologist who found evidence of coffin flies in the spiderwebs in the
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basement coffin flies are a species of fly that's indicative of Rotting Flesh but it doesn't have to be human it could
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be chickens pigs beef anything like that but they did Def find they did find evidence of coffin flies in the
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spiderwebs in the basement okay the uh they also brought in a pathologist out of
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Indianapolis and what they had done is they determined that all across the back of the basement the concrete was 16 to
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18 in thick so they moved out out to where they could uh get a little bit the concrete was thinner where the older
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concrete was which only several inches and they broke a hole probably about the a circle about as big as a garbage can
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okay and uh they had me S the dog well as soon as I sent the dog the dog dove into the hole and started throwing dirt
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like crazy digging very aggressively so he pulled him out of the hole and uh once I got him up then the pathologist
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knelt down and started feeling underneath into the dirt and he felt he said what feels like a human leg joint
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knee joint encased in a plastic bag so they broke up the the concrete on the Southwest end and they discovered
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two bodies there that were wrapped in plastic and buried under 16 to 18 inches of
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concrete they then went to the west end where the or the North End of the West wall where the dog had made this second
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alert on the different hole and they broke that one up and they discovered the third body the third body was uh
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this guy had apparently had to fill a a bathtub full of a blue lead based paint and he had just had to continually dunk
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this body in this blue lead based paint because the the body was completely encased in paint about a half inch thick
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and then it was wrapped in plastic also I don't maybe that was something to try to keep this the smell down I have no
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idea idea what the what the paint was for and and I do remember that they found uh when they did x-rays they found
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things inserted into the bodies through the rectum like bottles or coat hangers or something I don't recall exactly
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what and up in the room they did discover a map with uh x's on it where he had we don't know but assumed that he
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had gone to various places across the country on his way up from Texas and these is we don't know what they
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[Music] meant the voice you just heard there in today's trailer is that of K9 detective
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Dale Bach as you heard he was brought in to help a local law enforcement agency in Hammond Indiana to have his K9 search
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a home more specifically the basement of an apartment in this particular situation the K9 is acting in a cadav
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search role brought in because the search for some missing teens led a Hammond Police Department detective to
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that apartment so how exactly did we end up here in the basement of an apartment
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in Northwest Indiana well the investigation started on September 10th 2003 when the phone rang at the police
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department in Hammond Indiana a woman named Lynn Smith reported her 16-year-old son James regani was missing
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and I apologize if I did not pronounce that correctly it's Regan or regani I believe oddly enough another mother
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Holly gilkinson had also called and reported that her son too was missing her son is 13-year-old Michael Dennis he
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had not come home the night before okay we have two missing teens here Captain a
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guy James 16 another guy Michael he's 13 most of the time what this is going to say to Small Town Police is well we have
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a situation where a teenage boy got fed up at home or maybe he's super rebellious and decided to run off for a
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little bit yeah or he stayed over at a friend's house and forgot to tell his parents the problem with this situation
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is we have runaway notes that were left for the family to find the other problem
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that we have for law enforcement is look they're no dummies they're going wait a
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second two kids run away on the same day these two kids were friends and from what I could find there was no mention
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of oh I'm running away with James or I'm running away with Michael right but that's a possibility that law
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enforcement has to look at of course they're going to look at that situation and they're also going to wonder if in
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fact these two were runaways as said the boys's parents produced runaway notes from their sons which said that they had
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run off but these notes were very vague about where they were going there were a
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few different places listed in the short notes some people say runaway letter letters I've reviewed some of these
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these are very short notes the Rani parents also received a voicemail from a phone number that was later traced back
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to a rest area off of I65 near roson I do not have any details about what that voicemail was or who they believe the
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the voice was I I have to believe captain that they the voicemail came from their son or else it would have
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been highly suspicious from the get right now these notes we said they were vague
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well they were so the notes were simple they were as such I'm tired with the way
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things are at home I'm leaving I'm heading to Chicago sh Town um one note said I'm moving out to either California
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or maybe Washington State haven't decided yet I'll come back when I turn 18 so when you get your freedom you're
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going to come back well if you are to believe that these kids ran away they're they're leaving the notes to make sure
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Mom and Dad don't think that they're dead and murdered right uh that they're showing enough care for their parents to
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let them know hey I took off here's the reasons why and here's some places that I might go one of the notes said that
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they were going to Texas the weird thing here Captain is I do not know how many notes were in the possession of the
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parents when they made the calls that their sons were missing to begin with but what I do know happened was there
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were multiple notes left by both boys short little notes that they seem to like kind of hide around their homes
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like an Easter egg hunt that you know Mom would find one and then maybe a couple days later find another one
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that's that's very strange very strange and then second of all like let's to for
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for sake of confusion do you know if these were like actual like full Pages or again these were very short notes
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maybe a maybe a paragraph a couple sentences at at best but what I found incredibly strange and I'm sure this
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weirded out the parents big time is let's say that James left three different notes for his parents to find
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or that Michael left three different notes for his parents to find so to save everyone the confusion we'll just say
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runaway notes a b and c right in each situation well when Mom would find runaway no a it would say hey i' I've
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been fed up I can't take it at home I don't like school I maybe I'm going to Chicago I'll call you in a couple months
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well then a few days later she finds runaway note B it kind of contradicts everything that
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was said in runaway note a where it's you know the the next note may say hey I've got a job out on the
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west coast all lined up I'm running way out there and I'll reach out to you when
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I turn 18 or I'll come back when I turn 18 so this is going to be weird one for the parents they got to be highly
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alarmed and two for law enforcement because if you are going to try to figure out where these boys went
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especially a situation with the 13-year-old Michael Dennis well law enforcement knows that these guys know
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each other so I think once you find multiple notes at one location and then you find multiple notes at the other
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location then you go hey these are connected somehow right and so then you now have to determine one did either of
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these boys go where they said they were going which there was communication sent
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from the Hammond PD out to these other jurisdictions but again it's very vague you can't just it's it's not easy to
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reach out to every jurisdiction in California or Washington State and say hey do you got anybody that matches this
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description running around there right but we also don't know if the locations match up with each other what will be
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easier for the Hammond Police Department to determine is are these boys still in the area for
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any reason at all when kids are not getting along with parents they say that they're running away the first people
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you want to talk to in your investigation are these kids friends because kids tell their friends more
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than they tell Mom and Dad so police start asking around trying to determine whether these two boys were in fact
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runaways or if something maybe happened to them or if they were still in the area they came across some kids who were
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buddies with the two missing boys they told them that Michael and James spent some time hanging around with an older
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guy in the neighborhood that summer this was a guy known as Crazy Dave locally in the neighborhood he's
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known as Crazy Dave so not someone you want to hear your kids are hanging out with if you're parents of Dennis or
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Michael yeah and is he like really crazy and spells it with a K what they are able to determine is these kids are
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hanging out with this dude named Crazy Dave of course detectives want to figure out who the hell is Crazy Dave they
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start asking ing around and they learned that crazy Dave's real name was David Edward
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mous Michael Dennis had met Mouse at a community pool that summer oh my God no kid should ever meet a doll at a pool
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well yes weird weird weird weird but the other thing that we need to teach our kids even and remind our
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teenagers is there's no reason for adults and children to be friends there's no reason for adults and
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children to for adults to give gifts to Children there's no reason for adults to
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ask help from a child there's no reason for adults to ask a child to keep a secret these are all huge red flags now
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if we're talking about somebody that's friends with Mom and Dad you know there are some some ways to get around that
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but in this specific situation get around that it makes seem like the person's trying to do something bad
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there's plenty of people that are become mentors to you know younger but that's all stuff that you should share with Mom
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and Dad right this isn't things that you should keep from your parents if if an adult is is a friend with a child or
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asking a child for help asking a child to keep a secret or giving them gifts that needs to be shared with Mom and Dad
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because that's not something that should happen it's not something that's normal
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right so what we have here is now detectives are going to return to the families of these missing boys and say
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hey look this is what we've come up with so far some of the other kids have said
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that they may have been hanging out with this older guy that that we know is Crazy Dave and we've now figured out his
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real name is David Edward Mouse he spells crazy with a K and Dennis's mom Michael Dennis's mom Holly confirmed
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that her son did spend a lot of time with mouse she was aware of this saying that her son spent time with him and on
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one occasion he came home with a pair of new shoes that he said Dave gave to him
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and another time he came home with some stereo equipment maybe she was hopeful that it was like a Daniel Son Mr Miyagi
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type relationship like they're just sitting around learning karate so these detectives learned that the boys like to
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hang out at Mouse apartment this was on the second floor of a house located at 4933 Ash Street in Hammond
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Indiana the people they spoke to said that they had been there six or seven times that the boys had been there about
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six or seven times these other teenagers are telling police that Mouse would give
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them beer cigarettes and money you know other teenagers had gone to this guy's apartment detectives ran David mous name
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through the system and discovered that he had a record surprise surprise so they decided to pay a little visit to Mr
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Crazy Dave Mouse and stopped by his apartment so detective Ron Johnson of the Hammond PD visited this David Mouse
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at his place on September 18th he found Mr Mouse in the backyard smoking a cigarette and enjoying a beer Mouse did
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not seem nervous at all at the appearance or the arrival of the officer well to be fair he was buzzed and he
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didn't feel nervous at all answering any questions in fact detective Ron Johnson
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said mouse was extremely friendly and very courteous to the detective so much so that he permitted the detective to
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look through his apartment you know a guy shows up with no warrant he says sure I got nothing to hide I can answer
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all your questions go ahead and look through my apartment so the the detective is in there he's asking Mouse
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questions opening closets and checking under beds and such but there was no sign of either of the missing boys at
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the apartment well if you take a look at David he he looks like if you take Nick
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NTI Nick NTI and the Ultimate Warrior had a baby that came out a little disheveled maybe drinks too much smokes
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too much how could that baby not come out disheveled right that's that's what he looks like though so nevertheless
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police fat neck he has a big fat neck too police remain suspicious of David Mouse who had just finished parole for a
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previous crime and detective Johnson says he was even though this guy was nice answered all of his questions and
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such he said I was suspicious of him right away and this is a judge a book by its cover situation because the
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detective says straight out mouse was quote different and that boy's different when asked later well what do you mean
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by different he says if you would have seen him you would have said he's different yeah almost looks like he's
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stuck in the 80s well police staked out his place hoping to see some sign of these missing boys right that maybe
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they're coming back and returning to his apartment maybe they're just running around having a good time and this is
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somebody that they could either crash with on occasion or go back to his apartment to party yeah that makes sense
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they contacted the other jurisdictions that had been mentioned in the runaway notes we already discussed the
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complications with that asking if anybody had seen these missing boys now you have a situation where you probably
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are believing that the two boys left together so that helps you a little bit when you reach out you're not just
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looking for one teenage boy you're looking for two teenage boys at this point which may be a little easier
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meanwhile local prosecutors I love when people do good work I love when people say you know
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what we're we're going to do our jobs we have a a service a community to take care of and to protect this guy even if
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he doesn't know anything about these runaway boys he's a problem so the prosecutor local prosecutors filed a
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misdemeanor charge of contributing to the delinquency of a minor against David mous this was on October 2nd this was
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because of what the other kids told the police about the underage beer drinking pot smoking and things that were going
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on at Mouse place you know he's providing underage kids with beer and marijuana and they're hanging out at his
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place so Mouse posted the $300 Bond and he was released he continued to talk casually with the detectives about the
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missing boys but not really admitting anything at the time the police contacted the landlord and the owner of
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the house where mouse was a tenant right they found out from this owner his name
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was Bill Hinton that mouse was employed he was an employee at a trophy shop that
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the homeowner owned as well he also told them a second cuz David looks exactly like a guy that works at a trophy shop
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like what's his job he works at a trophy shop he also told them that mous had done some work in the basement of the
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home that he had repaired some seepage on the floor so detective Johnson went back to the home to inspect this work
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that mous had done on the basement floor when he went to the basement he discovered a new concrete pad in the
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southwestern corner of the basement this is interesting and I know a lot of people are probably saying well why
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wouldn't the detective have searched the basement to begin with I think it the situation here is the way that it was
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explained to me is that there were multiple tenants living in this house in these different apartments that were
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broken up through this house when the detective was first questioned Mouse in in the backyard of this property and
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mouse said yeah sure go ahead look through my apartment I I'll be happy to take you inside and show you everything
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come on in it's a nice place he's simply showing him his apartment there are spaces throughout this home that are
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common spaces that are shared amongst the tenants yeah shared by the other pedos and so the detective probably
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didn't check the basement because either a he wasn't suspicious of the basement because it was a common place or B he
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didn't feel that he had permission to do so because there were multiple tenants and mouse was not the owner of the home
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itself it's not like when the police officer comes up and starts talking to David and and they go hey do you mind if
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we search your apartment and he goes come on in it's a nice place it's not like you can just spend days in there
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well not only that I was having this discussion with somebody a week or so ago and had to point out that a really
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good detective and a really good officer especially if they're in a situation where they're suspicious of the
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individual that they're talking with or suspicious of a crime scene or potential
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crime scene right a good detective and a good police officer is always working with the knowledge of knowing that the
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most important thing here is that I secure a conviction that whatever my actions are will later hold up in a
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court of law and so if I step over the line at any point and this guy is my guy like I believe him to be well I might
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run the risk of losing that conviction in the court of law so what good have I done none with the permission from the
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homeowner now detective Johnson is in the basement and he he's checking out this new concrete pad that was poured in
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the southwestern corner of the basement I found a source that said that the the P was determined to be approximately 8T
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by 5T and 12 in thick or 12 in deep and the homeowner did consent to not just a a quick look see at the basement but he
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also consented to a detailed search of the basement as well and this comes about because detective Johnson says
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look I was down there in this area it would be very common in this area of the state of Indiana it would be very common
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for people to repair their basements in this way to pour additional concrete and
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that is so that you have if you have a washer and dryer in the basement that you are placing it on an elevated
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platform on a platform so that if you were to have your basement floods then these items are not getting wet because
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they're elevated yeah that makes sense so at first he says he wasn't suspicious of the concrete pad but then knowing
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what he knows from living in the the area he applied that to oh wait a second the water hookup is way over here so if
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that was the purpose of this concrete pad it made no sense at all because you would want to create that platform as
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close as you could to the water hookup he's super suspicious of this so the police decide that on November 20th this
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is detective Johnson and Commander Dale Bach of the Lake County Sheriff's Department again he's the one that you
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heard in today's trailer they come back on the 20th of November to search the basement again at 4933 Ash Street more
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like Ash Street this is with the trained kadaver dog now the dog showed considerable interest in the one end of
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the basement and this is the corner with the concrete pad the dog is telling you
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you've trained me to find cadavers yeah I'm telling you I believe that there's a
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dead body underneath this concrete in this corner of this basement well like you said with this K9 unit like he's
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trained to be a Cav dog but he's also trained to search for people's sense so it I wonder if they thought maybe he was
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confused well every canine unit is different it it all goes to training some have the ability to be trained in
00:31:21
different areas some don't I I don't know the specifics of this particular dog um but in this situation we do know
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he's being used to find a cadaver he's not he's not being brought in there to find a missing
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all right uh the dog again the K9 Officer showing considerable amounts of signs that hey he's detecting something
00:34:25
underneath the concrete in the corner of this basement yeah but he's not acting as normal right right he's
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supposed to he's trained to give a very aggressive response to when he finds when he's hitting on something and
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that's not the response he's giving here you have to wonder if in fact if the K can9 unit if the officer is
00:34:50
correct people are getting confused cuz some people are like you know I'm I'm referring to the dog as the officer he
00:34:57
is an officer so we'll pay him his respects um if he is well and we want to be respectful just in case he's
00:35:04
listening that's right um just in case he's listening um but if in fact the the K9 Officer is correct that he that there
00:35:14
is something underneath that concrete I don't again I don't know this particular dog I do not know the
00:35:21
training is he giving a different response because it's a faint right you know is is the detection faint I I think
00:35:29
we we can just move past that because whatever the dog was doing to indicate that there was something there and that
00:35:37
they should do further searching of this area it was enough for them to bring in
00:35:44
technicians and they're going to drill some sample holes in the pad you don't want to go in there and Jackhammer the
00:35:50
whole thing up if you don't have to you can just drill some holes and see if there's anything down there this this
00:35:57
portion of the search was conducted on December 5th when they drilled holes into this concrete pad Captain coffin
00:36:06
flies flew out of these holes coffin flies coffin flies are indicative of there being a
00:36:14
decaying body now it doesn't have to be human it can be animal or or something else but they would not be there if
00:36:22
there was nothing for them to be is pretty gross living off of mhm so on December 9th after hold on one second
00:36:32
let me finish my lunch now the police have probable cause to to tear up the place right so on December 9th Just 4
00:36:43
days later police brought in equipment to take up the concrete pad or concrete slab very quickly into this search they
00:36:54
found two bodies which is two more bodies than are supposed to be there they were able to determine almost
00:37:01
immediately that the the bodies were that of teenagers or young men right these two bodies that were found were
00:37:11
wrapped in plastic and tied with cord and tape but one second I mean we have to applaud the officer both officers I
00:37:18
guess the the dog is Officer but you have to applaud where your dog is trained to make a certain
00:37:26
reac action he doesn't react like he's supposed to gives you a odd reading but you go hey better safe than sorry right
00:37:36
mhm might as well dig this up and and yes yeah nobody wants to find anything but at the end of the day when you have
00:37:44
these missing kids you're trying to find answers so right away you're looking for
00:37:49
two missing teens and you find the bodies of what you can determine to be either teenage boys or young men right
00:38:00
so when you think about it Captain these other teens the the ones that told police and
00:38:06
detectives that these kids were hanging out with some guy named Crazy Dave these
00:38:11
other kids were in fact quite lucky that they did not end up killed yeah you know
00:38:17
these were teens that hung out with this crazy Dave as well or at least one had been to his apartment these kids knew
00:38:24
about Crazy Dave knew about the activity going on at Dave's apartment with him providing alcohol and such to the teens
00:38:32
one of the teens in particular says that he was with James and Michael on what is believed to be
00:38:41
the last night that the two were alive he told the detective that he went with James and Michael to Dave Mouse
00:38:48
apartment and he left at some point in the night and he he said that when he left James and Michael stayed there and
00:38:58
they were alive of course when he left the apartment so immediately we have Dave Mouse who we we we need to arrest
00:39:06
this man so he was in fact arrested on that same day this is again December 9th 2003 they pick him up while he's riding
00:39:14
his bicycle home from work but here's the troubling part I think finding the two bodies in the basement is the
00:39:20
troubling part but riding a bike to work is kind of Rich Man Poor Man rich man uses it for EXT exercise poor man uses
00:39:27
it as a vehicle look nothing against this hint in character but I can't imagine that the job at the trophy shop
00:39:34
pays very well and he's living in a rundown apartment this is not a guy that's riding a bicycle for exercise
00:39:41
yeah but you could always like use the line when women came in like why do you work at the trophy store I'm looking for
00:39:47
my trophy wife but here's the troubling thing Captain this uh you mean the two dead teenage bodies bar buried in
00:39:56
concrete is not troubling enough it is not oh the troubling part here is the two that were found in the
00:40:05
basement were identified via dental records one was the missing Michael Dennis that we were looking for you know
00:40:12
as anyone would expect but the other was identified as 19-year-old Nick James W so not the other kid that they were
00:40:20
looking for Nick had been missing since May of 2003 this is December of 200 and three when they find the bodies the more
00:40:29
you study True Crime the more you just see similarities and so many things uh look at the type of victim is teenage
00:40:38
boys gayy would put them in the crawl space this guy seems to just be putting them into concrete Nick had been missing
00:40:46
since May of 2003 he in fact worked at the trophies R Us shop with David mous and Nick was reported missing by his
00:40:56
girlfriend but you said Nick was 19 correct because you'd think okay look law enforcement has two missing kids
00:41:04
that you'd think that they would go oh yeah there's also another missing kid from the trophy shop oh they hang out
00:41:11
with Crazy Dave where does Crazy Dave work the trophy shop You' think they'd be putting this all together but maybe
00:41:18
they what I'm saying is maybe they didn't put it together in that manner because he was
00:41:24
19 right that that's where my head went immediately but the other thing too is maybe they did put it together it's just
00:41:31
now you're looking for a 19-year-old as well I don't know that you're announcing
00:41:36
that to anyone uh when you're surveilling David mous So Paul goded was Nick James's best friend the 19-year-old
00:41:45
that was found in the basement he said that the two of them spent a lot of time with David mous and he said that David
00:41:53
was generous giving them cash and beer and said quote he never asked for anything I just thought that he being
00:42:01
you know David was being a nice guy this is what Paul told the monster Indiana Times newspaper yeah he only asked for
00:42:09
hand jobs so then police excavated a third body it was proved to be James Rani the other missing teen now the
00:42:20
cause of death for the three victims this is per the the times again quote Lake County coroner David Pastrick said
00:42:30
he had not ruled out Suffocation and strangulation as a cause of death for bani and for Dennis the two that police
00:42:39
initially started off looking for right they said that Nick James died of blunt force trauma to the skull David mouse
00:42:47
was charged with three counts of murder they also charged him for having a fat neck the Hammond neighborhood when went
00:42:56
into an uproar over this crazy Dave guy right because David Mouse is living in their small town and unbeknownst to them
00:43:10
he's he's living there but the reason why they're in an uproar is it turned out that David Mouse had a very serious
00:43:18
criminal record right in fact he was a twice convicted murderer living in the neighborhood wait wait
00:43:28
wait he's been convicted twice of murder correct and he has he lives in an apartment with other people and has the
00:43:36
Stellar job at the trophy shop yeah this this highly desirable job say I'm just saying that he's he's living better than
00:43:45
some people living better than the colonel I wonder if he gets unlimited trophies like unlimited free Trophies
00:43:51
the idea that this dude was out free living in the small town and hanging out with kids terrified the
00:44:00
residents many of whom said that they planned to move away from the area even though David mouse was now behind bars
00:44:09
in all fairness eventually the state of Indiana would pass a law requiring that convicted murderers must register with
00:44:16
local officials when they moved to a new location so David mouse was not from this area well thank God they corrected
00:44:24
that if sexual offenders have to register her on a sexual offender's website or whatever murders should have
00:44:30
to do the same so Mouse now in handcuffs well he was in for a 6-hour interview session with detectives Mouse
00:44:41
confessed to The Killing saying that others had helped him commit the murders even naming his landlord as one of the
00:44:50
accompli again again I I the comparisons with this individual and and gasy are very similar I mean
00:45:01
gayy once he was arrested was saying hey it wasn't just me there was multiple people involved mous also implicated his
00:45:09
old cellmate from time served in the state of Illinois and he implicated another neighborhood teen saying he
00:45:19
helped as well I don't think that he's sitting there saying the four of us killed these three guys
00:45:26
I think what he's saying is is a situation where he's telling a story and it's changing as we go along here yeah
00:45:34
I'll give him a trophy for being a douche but in the end Captain he admitted to all three of the murders and
00:45:40
he said that he did all three of them on his own now for some reason we have a written statement pertaining to James
00:45:49
rani's murder but not the other two so the details are a little tricky on some of these murders here yeah David Mouse
00:45:59
signed a confession stating that on September 9th 2003 at his apartment James orani had been drinking
00:46:07
beer and doing shots and got sick and at 11:45 p.m. David Mouse took a rope and put it around James's neck and strangled
00:46:19
him until he was dead he then wrapped his body in plastic and took it to the basement and later put cement over his
00:46:28
body but he was as said I mean he he's telling these stories but it's very obvious to
00:46:35
detectives that this dude's responsible for all three of the murders a Lake County prosecutor Bernard Carter said
00:46:43
quote basically he drugged them with alcohol and the date rape drug and then strangled them the first one the first
00:46:51
victim he means Nicholas James he hit in the head with a baseball bat and then strangled
00:46:57
him he said meaning David mous that the first one was too bloody of an attack so
00:47:04
he decided to strangle the others so he he's saying that he killed all three of them the same day no okay so at
00:47:13
different times Nicholas James was a separate situation altoe right that when he went missing back in May that's when
00:47:21
Nicholas James was killed right the other two boys were killed SE setember 99th of that same year but what mouse is
00:47:29
explaining to detectives in his confession that look I I I hit the one over the head with a baseball bat and
00:47:38
realized later that's not a good method of killing because now I got all this blood everywhere that I have to deal
00:47:45
with yeah everybody listen to that statement we have a murderer telling you that if you hit somebody in the head
00:47:52
when their heart is still beating there's blood everywhere it's two blood bloody of a scene again con connect the
00:47:59
dots in other cases like Shan Benet Ramsey if she was hit on the head first there would have been blood everywhere
00:48:07
David Mouse admitted to detectives that he would on occasion visit the basement to continue to talk to his victims after
00:48:15
they were buried in the floor what you heard me right so he's drinking yeah I'm going to go down to the
00:48:24
basement I'm going to go talk to the concrete cuz he's missing one of his buddies that he
00:48:31
killed I'm reading between the lines here Captain but what I think actually went down is I believe that they found
00:48:37
all three victims at the same time when they were digging up that slab because as said it's determined or reported that
00:48:45
it was 8T by 5T by 12 in deep that's not that big of a concrete slab and we have
00:48:51
three victims in that concrete slab where I think that we have the speed bump in the investigation is that two of
00:49:02
the bodies were wrapped in plastic that was tied with rope or some type of cord right the third body
00:49:11
for reasons only David Mouse could explain was completely dipped or you know I guess it
00:49:19
wouldn't be dipped but uh covered in lead based paint blue lead ba base paint and mouse said basically that he took
00:49:31
the body of this victim placed it in the bathtub covered it in this paint and we're talking about uh an inch thick
00:49:42
covering the body at all points he states that uh he did this so that it would conceal the odor of the body that
00:49:50
nobody would be able to smell or detect the dead body I guess uh the smell of paint is better than dead body as for
00:49:58
the runaway notes detectives believe that mous led the uh L the boys to his apartment of course with Promises of
00:50:07
some kind of trip okay remember we talked about them leaving notes for their parents this misdirecting the
00:50:15
investigation or hoping that the parents don't go looking for the kids they figured out that mous was the he
00:50:23
spearheaded them leaving these notes for their parents this was all his idea so to me this is looking more and more like
00:50:31
a premeditated murder situation right what he said to these these boys is that look I I have access to a
00:50:43
lot of money I have access to a lot of drugs I need you to run some errands for me and you can make a lot of money in
00:50:50
the process and hold on a second any young teenage boy is listening and you hear this from somebody remind yourself
00:51:00
that he he rides a bicycle to work he works in a trophy shop and he lives in an apartment with multiple people and
00:51:07
his only friends are the friends that he's giving booze to and those individuals can't buy booze I wouldn't
00:51:14
really believe that he has connections to a bunch of money somewhere cuz if he did he probably would have called in
00:51:20
those favors by now well if you go off of what I said earlier you're already in the clear adults and children do not
00:51:26
need to be friends for any reason at all yeah my motto is no friends okay um so what they were able to determine is that
00:51:36
Mouse told them that hey I'm going to give you a vehicle and I've set up this vehicle so that we can conceal drugs in
00:51:46
this vehicle and then you're going to drive it out to the West Coast basically you're going to make a delivery for me
00:51:53
and the people there are going to to pay for all these drugs that you deliver you're going to bring the money back to
00:51:59
me and then you're going to get a big Hefty cut of everything right and this is how he enticed them and talked them
00:52:08
into leaving these notes for their parents so this was all very much planned out on his end and even planned
00:52:16
out by the kids themselves because they go over there thinking all right well we're friends with this guy we're going
00:52:23
to go on this trip yeah it's it's sophisticated for such a disheveled individual the
00:52:30
other interesting thing too is that he told investigators that he took the two boys with him to breakfast at the
00:52:40
rosand I'm sorry Ros laon truck stop on September 9th classy and this was they were talking more about the trip at this
00:52:50
breakfast so you can piece this together this is where that voicemail came from right this is the same location that
00:52:59
they traced it back to so while they're there he had them so convinced that he had one of the kids call home and leave
00:53:05
a voicemail at that time so so we have three bodies and we know that David was in prison before for two other killings
00:53:16
mhm so we have a total of five victims correct I still don't understand how he got out of prison well that's a great
00:53:24
segue cuz that's what I'm going getting to right here so the Indiana prosecutors
00:53:30
knew that mous was a suspected serial killer right he's eligible for capital punishment so the prosecutor prosecutor
00:53:39
Carter requested that the death penalty be on the table for the three murders so
00:53:46
on October 31st 2005 Mouse took a plea deal and admitted guilt for all three murders
00:53:55
So Crazy Dave mouse was sentenced in December of 2005 to three consecutive life sentences without the possibility
00:54:04
of parole and in his guilty plea Mouse requested that he be held in isolation away from the general population of the
00:54:14
prison now as the captain just mentioned this monster had killed twice before so
00:54:21
who was David mous and why was a convicted murderer out living in a nice Community David mouse was the second of
00:54:31
four children born to Ava and George mous on April 5th 1954 in the state of Pennsylvania PA in
00:54:42
1961 the family relocated to Chicago that next year Mouse father left the family David was only 8 years old at
00:54:52
this time right there's a lot of uncertainty about Mouse's early life and exactly how screwed up it was so how
00:55:01
screwed up he was right so he was eight when his father leaves but do we have any indication that there was physical
00:55:09
abuse or sexual abuse or or verbal abuse that we don't know of as far as the ages
00:55:15
from ages 0 to 8 but again it's very difficult in this situation to figure out how screwed up his family life was
00:55:23
or how screwed up he was and if who was responsible for that his his parents were both I feel very fine and confident
00:55:34
with saying that both of his parents were dysfunctional according to the times George mous was orphaned at age 12 and
00:55:43
spent the rest of his life rest of his juvenile years I should say in foster homes some that were described as
00:55:50
sexually abusive Ava mous his mother spent a month and a Mental Hospital in Pennsylvania this right after David
00:55:58
Mouse birth hospital records describe her as quote psychotic her upbringing took place on a Georgia Farm
00:56:08
and has been reported as miserable and depraved according to her son's later defense team in court writings his
00:56:19
mother was beaten by a stepfather with boards and chains and treated as a slave by her mother that sounds awful with his
00:56:28
father gone and a mother that there's no more simple way to put it a mother that either did not want him
00:56:37
or could not handle him his mother David's mother requested that he be institutionalized at the age of eight or
00:56:46
I'm sorry at the age of nine yeah so per the times quote Chicago State Hospital records show that David Mouse ear
00:56:55
yearned for a relationship with his mother but she showed little interest in him when the staff at the state hospital
00:57:03
pressured her to take David Mouse swimming with a sibling and a later stepfather she told the hospital I'm not
00:57:13
taking him I wish he would drown burn so whether Ava loved David and did the best that she could
00:57:21
for him or whether she was the reason that he was screwed up depends on who you're talking to or where you're
00:57:28
getting your information because Ava his mother gave a lot of interviews over the
00:57:34
the years and in some she says that David mouse was a pretty good kid and that she loved him she told the Chicago
00:57:41
Tribune that she loved her kid and says that when David's father left the family
00:57:47
David started acting out things got bad pretty quickly his little brother Jeffrey recalls David Mouse beating a
00:57:55
squirrel to death with a bat in front of his younger siblings there's also a report that that
00:58:03
David Mouse is a little kid set his three-year-old brother's crib on fire and tried to drown him in the park maybe
00:58:11
when your kid does that you just lock him in a cage and forget about it it's a very difficult situation Captain because
00:58:19
as said was he the actual problem or was his childhood that was not carved out by
00:58:27
him the actual problem yeah it's the chicken of the egg because well but it goes back to who you talk to and where
00:58:36
you get your information from and even with Ava who gave multiple interviews over the years she gives a different
00:58:44
story in different interviews he was a good kid he was a normal kid and it wasn't until he was nine that he started
00:58:51
acting up and I had to get rid of him in other stories he was born bad and he was
00:58:56
trying to kill his little baby brother and and drown his baby brother from a very very early age it's
00:59:05
not both it's it's one or the other yeah I don't think she's getting an award anytime soon for mother of the year it
00:59:12
can't be both these are her words these are words she chose to to give to these people that he was fine he was
00:59:19
completely fine until his dad left then he went off the rails and I had to get rid of him and other interviews she says
00:59:25
that he was born bad that he was evil from day one and that he was trying to kill his little brother at a very early
00:59:35
age that's not the same story so when I say it can't be both we don't know the true story maybe
00:59:42
it maybe it was both I'm saying these are her words she pick a story Lady it's one or
00:59:49
the other because they're two very different stories the other thing that you have to keep in mind too is is back
00:59:56
then yeah if you just didn't want a child for any number of reasons you could institutionalize him
01:00:04
I'm glad that wasn't around when I kid I I wouldn't say it was a common thing but
01:00:09
it was not it it wasn't that unheard of yeah and the reason why I question some of this is that we have the look he's at
01:00:21
9 years old David Mouse is sent to the Cook County mental institution and he describes this
01:00:30
location as he called it this the snake pit and the situation was this that he's he's in this state institution
01:00:42
or the County mental institution there was another child that was there at the same time as David that
01:00:50
would be dropped off in the summer months and then picked up by Mom and dad at the end of
01:00:57
summer yeah and what's believed is that they simply dropped them off said the kids crazy and dangerous and we can't
01:01:04
handle him so that they could vacation or not have to deal with this kid when he's not in school people do this I know
01:01:11
it's I know it's sad but uh and it's something you know that nobody wants to talk about but what kind of people do
01:01:18
this pieces of [ __ ] but it's very possible that his mother was a piece of [ __ ] and decided for whatever reason
01:01:26
willy-nilly or or something very serious that she didn't want her her son we have
01:01:32
the I look look you look we have the the statement from the hospital that when they were trying to encourage mom to
01:01:42
spend time with her son that was institutionalized on one occasion she's taking her current family on a swimming
01:01:53
trip and when asked by the hospital well why wouldn't you take check David out and
01:02:00
take him with you she says I don't want to be around him I wish he would drown that's not the response of a
01:02:10
loving caring parent the other thing that's weird and we do know that some of these types
01:02:16
Captain behave a different way in a in a very structured environment where there's set rules and uh and we can
01:02:23
imagine that that probably what was going on when young David was institutionalized by his mother but we
01:02:30
also have the his time spent there is well documented so these reports say that David mous had no incidence of
01:02:40
serious misbehavior during his years at the hospital he has no documented incidents of lying stealing or out of
01:02:50
control behavior all stuff that sh that her his mother reported to the hospital as the basis for committing her son the
01:03:02
hospital described David as generally generally described David in their reports as an appealing sensitive and
01:03:08
reliable child but he was deeply disturbed by his parents rejection yeah you think and preoccupied with the
01:03:16
threat of Abandonment his father left the family when he was just eight and then his mother [ __ ] drops him often
01:03:24
has him institutionalized at the age of nine when his mother was asked to be specific about the trouble she claimed
01:03:32
David Mouse caused during his occasional home visits she became evasive and stated that quote she just doesn't want
01:03:41
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