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when police called 59 year-old John D Miller in for questioning they asked if he knew why they wanted to talk with
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them according to our probable cause affidavit he replied April Tinsley it's for twins most notorious cold case April
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1st 1988 is the last time anyone saw the eight-year-old girl alive police canvassed her neighborhood after April's
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mother Janet Tinsley reported her missing three days later April 4th her body was found in a ditch near County
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Road 68 she was molested suffocated her death ruled a homicide a forensic exam of her underwear revealed DNA from an
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unknown male but it wasn't until 30 years later that police were able to find a match DNA from condoms found in
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2014 matched the DNA in Tinsley's underwear and in 2018 the suspects DNA was narrowed down to two surviving brothers
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John Dee Miller was one of them police collected several items from Millers trashcan located near his trailer in the
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13,000 block of Main Street in Greybull including three used condoms and three days later July 9th 2018 authorities
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learned the DNA from those condoms was consistent with that of the DNA found in Tinsley's underwear in 1988 according to
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a probable cause affidavit detectives told Miller they had a DNA match in the rape and murder of Tinsley that's when
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Miller admitted to abducting Tinsley from hole-in Street in Fort Wayne taking her to his trailer and having sex with
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her he reportedly told police he choked her to death so that she would not report him to the police
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then he dumped her body the next day that was just one year ago when in July of 2018 and thank God for the arrests
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made in the 30 year old cold case of April Tinsley that clip you heard is from CBS News
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now we covered April's case a while ago back in December of 2015 true crime garage episode number seven
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with this arrest captain came the speculation that John Miller could also be linked to the Delphi murders Miller
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was later convicted of the murder of eight-year-old April Tinsley and sentenced to 80 years in prison
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when asked if Miller was a possible suspect Indiana State Police Sergeant Kim Riley would not give a detailed
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statement saying only quote we have a thousand names out there and we are still looking at all of them and he
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added he was being intentionally vague with that statement in the following month this is August 2018 in an
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interview with The Gazette a man that we spoke at length about in yesterday's episode Daniel Nations the man arrested
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in Colorado and believed to have some connection possible connection to the Delphi murders as we know he was from
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Indiana and wanted by the state of Indiana in this interview he denies any involvement in the Delphi murders
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stating that he gave his DNA samples to Indiana authorities and said quote I just want people to know the truth that
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I am NOT a monster Nations was sentenced in relation to the threatening charges that he faced in Colorado and eventually
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sentenced in Indiana on unrelated charges for failing to register as a sex offender
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so his statement Daniel Nations is that he gave DNA samples to Indiana authorities again
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does not mean that they have DNA or does do not have DNA and also I'm not asking
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anybody out there to believe this sex offender who refuses to check in and is also guilty of swinging a hatchet at
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people on the trails out in Colorado that's just his words alright continuing on the timeline we're gonna get another
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suspect on November 19th 2018 this is when a man entered a Catholic supply store in a strip mall in st. Louis
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County Missouri the man was armed and he ordered women in the store at gunpoint into the back room once there he ordered
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them to strip and he sexually assaulted two women before shooting another woman in the head 53 year old Jamie Schmidt
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later died after being transported to the hospital the man left the store one of the victims called 911 this call came
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in at 3:19 p.m. responding officers found no evidence at the crime scene to help them identify this suspect witness
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descriptions to police detailed the perpetrator as a white male about 5 feet 7 inches tall with a heavy build and
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aged between 40 and 50 years of age the description was updated by police the next day that the perpetrator was 5 feet
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7 inches tall - 5 feet 9 inches tall wearing a paperboy style hat a navy blue Carhartt style jacket and a red white
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and black plaid shirt and blue jeans officers interviewed workers at neighboring businesses and a server at
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the hotshots sports bar recognized the description of the suspect as matching that of a man who recently left his
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business card at the business police sifted through the trash found the card and immediately went to his home and
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arrested Thomas Bruce this manhunt lasted just under two days this put Thomas Bruce in the spotlight of the press some
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noted his similar stature of five foot seven to five foot nine inches to the then-current suspect description in the
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Delphi slangs also he was wearing a flat cap which many suspect the bridge guy is
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wearing a flat cap he was wearing a navy blue jacket and blue jeans and his sexual murder attack which he did in
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broad daylight not unlike the suspect in the Delphi case Indiana State Police did
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look into this possible connection on December 4th 53 year-old Thomas Bruce was charged with no less than 17 felony
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counts related to the st. Louis case and could face the death penalty he was later charged in an unrelated case this
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resulting from a case from September 2018 that involved kidnapping sexual assault and robbery now what I find
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fascinating about this scenario here captain this Thomas Bruce who was obviously a complete monster but there
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are some similarities I'm not going to say that he looks like the bridge guy I'm not going to say that he looks
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unlike the bridge guy but what really jumps off of the way trying to say immediately is that he he seems to be
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wearing a similar outfit to the bridge guy and the outfit is much easier to see in that grainy photo than the face of
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the man so if in fact the bridge guys wearing a cap this would have been a similar style hat he's also wearing a
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navy blue jacket when he commits this crime and blue jeans and again this is a crime that he didn't mind going into
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this place in the middle of broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon and committing this horrible attack that
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ends the end result is a murder yeah his we've got no update as far as Thomas Bruce goes if there's been anything more
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to connect him to the Delphi case other in just public speculation on January 8th 2019 Charles Andrew eldritch one
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ugly bastard age 46 was arrested after allegedly arranging to meet for sex with a police officer who was posing as a
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teenage girl hmm he faces multiple charges including two counts of child molestation during the course of news
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coverage of his arrest local Indiana residents noticed his mugshot and said it resembles the sketch of a B and
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Libby's alleged killer and these calls made their way very quickly to the police tip line after receiving multiple
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calls the Indiana State Police made the following statement quote I can promise you this when an arrest is made of a
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suspect identified as the alleged perpetrator of the Delphi murders rest assured we will let everyone know it is
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important for the public and the media to know that many similar tips and arrests of other persons alleged to be
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connected to the Delphi murders occur with some frequency in and outside of Indiana each tip whether it receives
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media attention or not is investigated for any connection to the Delphi case and quote calling mr. Eldredge an ugly
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bastard is being very kind to him he's fugly yes yes he's fugly not only in looks but personality and character
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this is this is a bad guy this is a disgusting person and we talked about him on off the record he I can see some
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resemblance a little bit again but it you're questioning what what you think that you're seeing in the picture of the
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bridge guy right it's so difficult with them the bridge guy is to me at least in
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facial appearance not as fugly as Eldridge hmm he appeared to me the bridge guy appears younger than Eldridge
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and probably thinner and smaller Albert Eldridge I don't know if it's just that he's so
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ugly but he like when you see pictures of him he he presents like an opposing stature like an opposing figure it's
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just there's something very evil about that man well no that phase of him you know that face you make when you eat a
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Sour Patch Kid mmm I think that's the kind of face you make when you see his picture yeah it's scary that's scary
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just two days after this the Indiana State Police say that there is no evidence thus far to suggest the
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Eldridge has any connection to the Delphi case and a news release Randolph County police said quote outside of the
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person resembling the sketch there is currently zero evidence that ties him to this case right and he is not a suspect
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in the case although we understand that people are trying to help the investigation by doing this with zero
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evidence other than a mere appearance it can also hurt or hinder an investigation
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the department said in a more recent report captain Dave Burstyn says there is no evidence suggesting or disproving
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whether Eldridge is connected to the case and this was a similar thing we're right when this news broke it was like
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Facebook with nuts and now it's like this the case is solved even though then it's just you know
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waiting around for the next person that somebody's gonna go well this must be it
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so so law enforcement is getting a lot of tips from armchair detectives a lot of tips from the community what but you
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know what I think is interesting there captain what you were getting into and you're you're exactly right is several
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times throughout this investigation and I think that's where the community stands and where the state of Indiana
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stands and I would I would venture to say that the the nation as well that this is such a big story such a big case
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something that is on a lot of people's minds and hurts everyone's hearts right that they want
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this case solved and so there is a bit of a freakout period when when a new person is brought to light as a
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potential suspect as potential bridge guy there is that little freakout period that goes on now what I will say where I
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will Pat everyone on the back for in the in the general public is that I think that that freakout period was was
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tempered a bit from the first time we saw that happen when Daniel nations was arrested in Colorado the hype and the
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freakout in the everybody going crazy on the message boards and on social media was so crazy that that actually really
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messed up the investigation and messed things up for the the families and the the living victims of this crime and
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murders because they were they were stuck for a while walking around going [ __ ] people think this has has been
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solved yeah we gotta get the word out that it hasn't been solved yeah there were a lot of people in the general
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public that we're walking around thinking after Daniel nations was arrested that this case has been solved
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when in fact no no it has not and so that's where I give some kudos because I think we all learned a lesson we learned
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a lesson we went yes we've we've learned and and now we've we've able to contain
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that excitement a little bit that's how bad everybody wants to see an arrest in this case but we're able to contain that
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excitement to the point where we're not freaking out and people thinking that the case is closed again Indiana State
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Police have said very clearly when there's an arrest made in the Delphi murders case we will tell everybody
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we'll let you know yeah so this this brings us to the two-year anniversary of the disappearance
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so February 13th 2019 just earlier this year two year anniversary of lybian Abby's disappearance authorities vowed
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that they would bring the person responsible to justice saying this is not a cold case and I
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want to back that up everything that I can see captain thing appears to be very far from cold
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the prosecutor the Carroll County prosecutor Nicholas McClelland told reporters this
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case is not closed we are not done with this investigation there are countless people working on this every day and
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captain remember when the public was reminded several times about what the State Police are looking for most people
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have seen the posters and the statements by Indiana State Police that say what is
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a good tip so what are they looking for and anyone who comes forward with information is asked to include the
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following if possible so if you're gonna submit a tip they're hoping that they can get from you your
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suspects name the date of birth or approximate age a physical description possibly their address and/or vehicle
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information a specific reason why you believe this person should be considered a suspect a possible motive and any
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possible connection that that person may have to the Delphi community but this is
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not gonna be the last person that people get excited about there's gonna be a murder that takes place and our rest
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that's made pretty quickly and this is another one that people are going to start looking into and and trying to
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build the connection yes and I feel like they're they're currently are probably two individuals that a lot of people are
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focusing on right now and we're gonna get into to both of them this brings us to Saturday March 30th 2019 and this is
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when a body is found just about six miles northwest of Kent 'land in Newton County Indiana which is northwest of
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Carroll County and Delphi said the city of Delphi is in Carroll County so not terribly far away and the way that this
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case works out is the property owner finds a body wrapped in a grayble on a wooden floor of a shipping type
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container so some people are familiar with this this was actually used as some type of hunting Shack or has been
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referred to at least in the newspapers as a hunting Shack right but sometimes people will take these storage shipping
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type containers that you would see on a I don't know on a barge or on a on a train or something like that right and
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use them as a as a makeshift building yes sometimes people turn these into houses and people that live in the city
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and have never lived in the country may not understand this but there are a lot of people especially hunters that own
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property that they may not even live on that they own this property it's out in B Fe somewhere and once in a while when
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they can break away from work they go out there and they enjoy hunting and fishing and things like that
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well this property the property owner goes out to this what's being referred to as a hunting Shack and finds this
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body wrapped in this gray blanket and reports the body this is around 2:38 p.m. on March 30th this whole case has
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really inspired a lot of thought and speculation regarding if it in fact could be connected to Delphi and I think
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for several reasons one given the proximity to the city of Delphi and to the headlines are woman found tortured
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in a hunting Shack or in a shed some of the headlines say shed so I think where we see the outdoor type murder there's
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another belief and there's another connection in yeah yeah this may sound I'm sure it doesn't sound silly to
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anyone but as we go through these the more that we bring up it might seem a little strange that there's just one
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after another after another you got to keep in mind there minute this is as proof that you saw moved to Indiana we
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are doing we are doing Indiana no favors in this episode that's this episode these last two episodes
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have not been sponsored by Indiana we're in Ohio so we're not not too terribly far but here's here's the general
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thought the bridge guy the killer of two young girls out in broad daylight mm-hmm
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has to be such an evil individual many suspect that either this is not the first time that he's killed or if it was
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it wouldn't be the last and that's why when we see this time and time again of something happening of another case
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happening elsewhere somewhat close if it has any ties at all if it has any possible similarities that people are
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making the jump and they want to know more about that case the new case because they want to know if in fact the
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the monster that committed those crimes could be the same monster as the guy on the bridge that day this story is very
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odd and it's actually a pretty simple story when you first hear the headlines tortured woman's body found in a shed or
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in a hunting Shack your imagination runs wild and when you really start to see and understand the facts of the case as
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we currently understand them weeks later you see that a connection is a little rough but there are some interesting
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things that if you're fine with a captain will get into after I go through what is believed took place in this
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actual case mm-hmm okay so unfortunately the victim here was eventually identified as Nicole L Bowen she is a
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mother of two she's 30 years old from West Lafayette and of course foul play was immediately suspected what ends up
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taking place here and I don't know exactly where the fingerprints were found but they find fingerprints either
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on the body or items used to discard the body or in that shed or hunting Shack they
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find fingerprints that are going to lead them to a suspect okay so it wasn't very tough for them to find
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out who they wanted to talk to immediately who they end up talking to the owner of the fingerprints is Garrett
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Kurtz he is 21 years old of Lebanon Indiana he is it takes some time but there is an arrest that's made in fact
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there are five arrests that are made in this case okay so we have Garrett Kurtz who we're going to spend the most time
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talking about but we also have Ashley Garth who is 26 years old she is from Delphi Indiana we have Christopher
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Mathias 27 years old of Kenton Jasmine Parker 34 of Kenton and talitha Beckley apologize for that captain but it looks
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like Talitha talath a-- tom apologizes a shitty name 36 years old of monticello so why are so many people arrested in
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this case Kurtz once arrested he's going to do some talking and I'm sure these others did talking as well now I'm a
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little uncertain of the location but very early on in this case the newspapers were reporting that police
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believed that Bowen was killed elsewhere that she was probably very likely killed
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miles away and that her body was dumped in or around the shed right so right there we can see that the headline of
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woman found tortured in a shed is very different from what actually happened she wasn't tortured in that shed she
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wasn't held captive in that shed abducted elsewhere and brought there what took place was she was just her
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body was just attempted to be concealed there the way this went down is Nicole Bowen has a connection to
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Garrett Kurtz it sounds like they may have even had a relationship at one time there was some
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kind of beef between Nicole Bowen and this Ashley Garth I don't know where this was to take place but the way that
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this went down was there was supposed to be there some type of meeting between Bowen and Garth what we can't confirm is
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if Bowen was going along with this or not if she was into this meeting or if she was brought there against her will
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right what we do know is she arrives at a trailer Garret Kurtz brought her to this trailer I've heard a couple of
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different news reports one stating that the the trailer was owned by Garrett Kurtz the other saying that it was owned
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by Ashley Garth I can't say who out of this out of this batch of losers owned the trailer but anyway Nicole Bowen is
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brought there she does not want to go into the trailer at some point there is an altercation a physical fight that
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starts to take place between her and Ashley Garth again it's my understanding that Nicole Bowen it was a one-time
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girlfriend possibly of Kurtz and the Ashley Garth was the current girlfriend of Garrett Kurtz there's some kind of
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physical altercation a fight breaks out between the two it also sounds like it was expected or suspected by others
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there that this fight would likely take place if the two saw each other face-to-face so these these women are
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gonna fight over this piece of [ __ ] I can't say that for certain I've seen pictures of this dude and there's videos
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of this dude online and I don't know why ants would fight over this guy he's he's
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fugly as well here's here's my guess mm-hmm and I don't know that it's been publicly stated but I'm going to go off
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of mug shot photos and what I strongly suspect is happening here I think that all of these individuals that we've
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named are involved in drugs very likely in and this dispute could have been over
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this this man if you want to call him that or it could have been over something else but we do know there was
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regarding that are you gonna start patting us on the backside again patting you on the back back side whichever I
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didn't say back side regarding this fight so where we left off we have Nicole Bowen and Ashley Garth er in the
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middle of a fight a physical fight to which according to the prosecutor in this case Garret Kurtz jumps in the
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middle of this fight and how he gets involved in this is he puts Nicole Bowen in a headlock wraps his arm around her
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neck he tightens his arm until she goes unconscious till he puts her on the floor according to the information I
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could find it it appears that he did not want her to wake up but this didn't he didn't just keep choking her he started
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going throughout the the trailer and finding implements to help him choke strangle suffocate her to lead to her
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her death all right so there was a fight going on he jumps in the middle he puts
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her in some kind of chokehold she then passes out and then he's now going around finding objects to help him
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choke her with yes okay yes so at one point he uses an extension cord at one point he uses a bag over her head ropes
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and so on and so forth were used in this manner that's why when her body is found
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they are saying that it appears that she has been tortured meanwhile all these other disgraces that are standing around
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in the trailer they do not stop Kurtz from from killing this woman now at the at the trailer itself it's just Kurtz
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and these other women that we mentioned and again those names are Jasmine Parker
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Talitha Beckley as well as his girlfriend Ashley Garth so what occurs after Bowen is killed is Kurt's
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gets his vehicle he backs it up to the trailer he places her body inside his vehicle and now he's going to call
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Christopher Mathias his 27 year old buddy of Kent 'land Indiana and say hey I got a body here can you help me and
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Christopher Mathias will very quickly agree to help mr. kurtz dispose of this body they drove around until they found
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what they thought to be the perfect place to dump miss Bowens body and as we know the body is eventually found all
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five of these terrible people are eventually arrested and now they're waiting to go to trial some of them have
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had their first day in court it's going to be interesting to see who turns on who and in how more complete this story
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can get because the tricky thing here is it sounds like a lot of this information
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whether it be verified by the others or not is in fact being provided by Kurt's the one good thing out of this whole
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terrible story is that Kurt's as a monster as well as these other four and they are no longer on the street they
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are locked up and currently behind bars here's where we end up with a lot of problems we've already talked about
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where the headlines lead the public and and people to speculate that this Kurtz individual could be possibly connected
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to the Delphi double slaying there is also some consensus that maybe he resembles the bridge guy in some form
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there is also people that well this is actually going to stem from the next thing on our timeline which I think we
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should get into real quick and we'll site will circle back to Garrett Kurtz yeah because what happens next it really
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changed almost everything that we thought we knew about this case yeah on April 22nd the Indiana State Police
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release new audio new video and a new sketch of the suspect as they announced a new direction at a press
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conference so never before released video taken from Libby's cell phone shows a man walking toward the two girls
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that's released authorities also release more phone audio of a man saying guys so
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now we have before we head down the hill now we have guys down the hill they also
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release a new younger looking sketch of the suspect who they believe has ties to
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the Delphi area authorities say he is between 18 and 40 years old this was a to say the least captain so this was a
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very powerful press conference yeah on top of that we have this like we said this new drawing which goes wow this
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this perpetrator might have been hwayeong gerd than we thought he was the new drawling 2 looks nothing like the
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old drawing right so and and so if you thought Daniel nation's look like the first drawing well he doesn't look
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anything like the second roll and anybody that was arrested like we said people fishing for answers and going hey
00:37:24
kind of looks like the drawing well now we have a whole new drawing so that just
00:37:28
kind of it changes the whole game yeah so as far as Garrett Kurtz is concerned and like I said he's one of
00:37:36
the one of the big names right now that people were suspicious of there is audio
00:37:42
there's a video of him online where he's saying the word guys he saying hey guys
00:37:47
I got a vent here for a little bit guys and he it doesn't sound unlike what is released from the police you know it's a
00:38:01
very hard G yeah which when you hear guys down the hill or or down the hill guys it's a very like it's just it's
00:38:12
almost like a weird accent and then you hear the the comparison audio and you go
00:38:18
that I see where they were they're saying they're similar the only issue that I have with that is you could not talk
00:38:27
about a smaller sample size by comparison purposes it's one single word where you're taking that from Garrett
00:38:34
Kurtz when he's he appears to be high or drunk or both smoking a cigarette and he
00:38:41
when he says guys it almost looks to me like he's inhaling as he says the word guys so I don't know that that's his
00:38:49
natural speak but I guess we also can't say that the bridge guy was talking normally as well during that whole
00:38:57
situation right so a lot of people find that similar I think that the big thing was that his ex-girlfriend was from
00:39:06
Delphi so that would put a connection between him and in the actual location regardless of where she's from or where
00:39:16
she was living he doesn't live terribly far from Delphi right so I take I put more thought into that then where his
00:39:24
girlfriend's from there's a lot of people from Delphi I think that's why it jumps off the page to people immediately
00:39:31
when they're reading the newspaper article going wait the this guy and these people did this horrible thing
00:39:37
wait there's the word Delphi in there well the faith in is when you first see him he has a shaved head and he kind of
00:39:44
looks somewhat like maybe the first sketch but then you if you do some digging into his background he actually
00:39:53
had longer curly hair which not long curly hair but a little bit not like buzz cut his hair now is buzz cut a
00:40:03
couple years back when when the murders took place at that time if you look into
00:40:09
his facebook pictures and stuff like that he has these curly reddish blond hair which is basically what they're
00:40:18
they're saying with the new drawing yeah it's weird because I could see where two
00:40:23
years ago he may have looked like the old drawing and today he looks like wait I'm said that wrong revise its yes I
00:40:31
could see where two years ago when Kurtz was 19 now keep in mind that would fit within their their age range
00:40:38
of 18 to 40 now mind you that's a very large age range but Kurtz was 19 I could see possibly him looking like the new
00:40:47
sketch and now after two years of hard drugs and hard living well it looks like the old sketch well I'm thinking about
00:40:56
what the FBI tells you all the time when they're looking for somebody look for somebody that had is making changes and
00:41:04
their appearance so when you have evidence on somebody's Facebook page that they had a haircut similar to the
00:41:12
new drawing and now when you see him two years later they have a buzz cut well that's not that big of a deal you got to
00:41:20
two years that they could have changed their haircut but based off of what people have been searching on the
00:41:27
internet it seems like he changed his his haircut and his style roughly around the time of the Delphi murders the other
00:41:35
thing that's there's a few more things about this Kurtz guy that are kind of freaking people out one he has a friend
00:41:42
that people have found pictures of on his Facebook page that resembles the new sketch so people question that also
00:41:53
Garrett Kurtz seems to have some not just a tie to Delphi because his girlfriend is from there there's
00:42:01
speculation that he may have worked on Ron Logan's property or have some kind of involvement there's people that have
00:42:11
done some some good detective work where they've they've took pictures from from
00:42:18
interviews with Ron Logan around the time of the murders that showed his horses in the background and where him
00:42:26
standing next to a horse and petting the horse people have found photos on Garrett Kurtz's Facebook page from years
00:42:34
ago where these horses appear to be very similar if not in fact the same horses now these pictures appear in September
00:42:45
of 2016 I'm not certain if that's a timestamp or if that's when they were posted to his
00:42:52
Facebook but that's an interesting thing there as well before we move on to Garrett Kurtz I also want to throw this
00:43:02
out there and this is yet to be confirmed but I imagine we should know this fairly soon there's a lot of
00:43:09
speculation now Garrett Kurtz's is is not a saint he's a terrible individual it sounds like maybe he is admitted to
00:43:17
killing Nicole Bowen but even all even that one day aside right let's remove that completely from his life he's still
00:43:27
not a saint he's somebody that very obviously has some kind of drug problem he has been arrested before and that's
00:43:35
where the speculation comes in that people are wondering if possibly he was in jail at the time of the murders so I
00:43:43
know that that is being looked into I don't see why that would take very long to find out that information but he's a
00:43:50
relatively new suspect on this list while a lot of people talk about the press conference as well there's this
00:43:58
statement that the sergeant's making and he's talking and kind of randomly he just he pulls a captain I randomly gets
00:44:07
off subject and starts talking about this movie about some cabin well I'm regarding this press conference
00:44:14
in the new sketch I could we could do two more shows on that in it I don't have the information right here in front
00:44:22
of me but are we convinced that he says the cabin and doesn't say the shack yeah
00:44:28
he might have said the shack but I guess there's some movie where but there's an
00:44:34
issue with that because there is there's a movie called the cab and there's a movie called the shack and there are two
00:44:41
very different movies two completely different stories so if you look at something like the cabin it's it's more
00:44:49
of a horror flick where the shack is more of a kind of a grieving film more of a more of a drama so without
00:45:02
having that directly in front of me I don't know how much I want to talk about that because those are two regarding
00:45:11
Department says it's two completely different thoughts that you could put into that possible statement right I
00:45:18
just want to say that that there's a lot of people online saying there there's a
00:45:22
statement that we actually covered this press conference like I think we actually watched it and then recorded
00:45:30
off the record about the press conference and I believe at the time we actually mentioned well
00:45:37
that's strange that was kind of a strange comment and so because it's been strange and it kind
00:45:43
of stuck out to people once you got this guy arrested and they find the victim in
00:45:48
a shack or slash cabin or whatever you want to call it that's where they start putting the connection with with this
00:45:57
new with this new suspect right so real quick here my my general understanding and again we don't I don't have his the
00:46:05
transcript of what was said at that press conference right to know if he said shack or cabin but from my
00:46:13
understanding the the story the cabin is more of a horror flick and it involves murder and torture and things of that
00:46:21
nature right where the the film The Shack is more about grieving and coming to an
00:46:29
acceptance of loss yes so I think you're correct so both of them could play both
00:46:36
of them work into that yes into his press conference in a way meaning you know look because you can see the hurt
00:46:44
on on the eyes and in the eyes and on the faces of the investigators at some of these press conferences now Kurtz is
00:46:54
somebody that is of concern of interest here one thing I question is his ability
00:47:01
to get away with something doesn't I mean if in fact it's a willingness to confess as well willingness to confess
00:47:09
if in fact he did confess somebody did I'm assuming it came from him but also very quickly asking for help in
00:47:18
disposing of the body that there's just a lot of a lot of mistakes very quickly made we don't know what mistakes the
00:47:27
bridge guy made but Kurtz is not the last person that would would become a suspect in the public's eyes because
00:47:35
just last month June 22nd at approximately 4:30 in the morning a 26 year old woman is driving and she's
00:47:44
having some car troubles she pulls over to the side of the road this puts her on
00:47:50
the property of 55 year old Paul etter Paul offers to help this woman she gets a bad feeling and says she doesn't need
00:47:59
any help now despite the issues she is having with the vehicle she drives off anyway Paul etter decides to follow this
00:48:08
woman hmmm that's not creepy I'm not certain how he caught up with her or if in fact her car finally gave out right
00:48:15
but eventually Paul at her abducts the woman and takes her to his family's farm where he holds her there for hours and
00:48:24
sexually assaults a woman after several hours he lets her go she reports the abduction and rape and now local law
00:48:33
enforcement is looking for this Paul etter somehow he manages to evade police for almost five full days this is until
00:48:44
police spot a stolen vehicle a vehicle that was reported stolen but now driving driving this stolen
00:48:51
vehicle is Paul etter this leads to a five hour long standoff with police and the result Paul
00:48:59
etter commits suicide hmm Paul etter is just the latest in a slew of suspects in this case police are
00:49:06
very interested to find out some things about this man first off they want to find out where he was when he was on the
00:49:15
run from police was he staying with somebody did he drive or travel in another vehicle other than the stolen
00:49:22
one that he was later located in right does he have any connection to the still unsolved Delphi murders yeah and
00:49:29
he's he seems obviously older than the new sketch but maybe it makes sense with the with the old sketch I just looked up
00:49:38
the transcript real quick from the press conference that we were discussing and in this version of the transcript I
00:49:46
can't verify that it's 100% accurate but it says he references the Shaq okay yeah
00:49:55
he says we try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to
00:50:00
two children I recently watched a movie called the Shaq and there's also a book that talks so well about evil about
00:50:09
death and about eternity so it might have nothing sounds like it has nothing to do with with the actual murderer
00:50:17
torture and he think it has more to do with the fact that he's grieving the family's grieving the community's
00:50:22
grieving and hey this might be this sounds like something that possibly helped this law enforcement officer yeah
00:50:31
I read a brief description on the the book at shortly after that press conference and the way that it's
00:50:40
described the details of the book say the the a somebody that is grieving over the loss of somebody goes to this Shack
00:50:48
and at the shack or near the Shack they have the ability to speak with Jesus with God and with the holy spirit and I
00:50:58
think it's its authority it's through that that this individual in the story is able to accept the loss of their
00:51:05
loved one yeah and the these are just the I mean we there there's a list a big list that you put out and and each one
00:51:15
having some connections with the actual case some it seems like law enforcement not 100% clearing but at least trying to
00:51:26
get some light to not be shined shining so brightly on uncertain suspects but I wonder how many others are out there
00:51:36
that have flown under the radar well it seems to me like they're willing to law enforcement willing to say just
00:51:44
enough to try to get the press off their back about a certain individual not so much to say that they've cleared first
00:51:52
individual I think that they are perfectly happy with continuing under the statement that they've always said
00:51:59
everyone is a suspect and I think they're fine with letting that just be for now so in July of this year just
00:52:11
earlier this month July 9th Libby's sister Kelsey took to YouTube this to debunk conspiracy surrounding
00:52:22
the unsolved killings Kelsey first began this post with a timeline of events the day that she
00:52:30
dropped off Libby and a be near the scenic moanin High Bridge I want to say something here I've seen people on
00:52:38
YouTube and on different websites who questioned Kelsey that say that she has changed her story
00:52:48
a bazillion times that the things that she says does not make sense I think these people are fools if they could if
00:52:57
they could point out something that would make sense to me send it our way we got a blog at true crime garage com
00:53:04
put something up there to make me see the light or understand this differently I think Kelsey says it badly geo help
00:53:12
pat you on the bottom well she said it best on on her YouTube where she says the the whole week after the murders was
00:53:20
a complete blur so asking us to remember everything completely correct is so I don't even think it's possible I don't
00:53:29
think anybody can remember something specific after something tragic like that happens so keep in mind this is a
00:53:37
is a young woman who who was even two years younger and lost her sister her sister was violently murdered after she
00:53:47
dropped her off at this park right so to call her anything other and a good big sister and I got no time
00:53:57
for you man yeah but to play devil's advocate oh here we go you have to oh you know it is not solved
00:54:07
we don't know everything we don't know every detail I think there's one thing to keep possibilities open I think it's
00:54:17
it's irresponsible when they take victims family members and start throwing them under the bus with little
00:54:25
to nothing there but I don't think it's irresponsible to keep open mind on certain ideas okay I don't I don't
00:54:36
understand what what your point was okay so the point is that I'll calm down well
00:54:43
your point doesn't my point made a perfect sense did it it did okay so what I'm asking for clarification right so
00:54:53
what I'm saying is yes I understand that you can be angry at somebody for throwing a victim's family member under
00:55:01
the bus I get that but I don't think it's irresponsible to keep an open mind on we don't know the answers we don't
00:55:10
know every detail so to question her to think that there's a possibility that there might be
00:55:19
details that are wrong coming from her or other family members I don't think that's irresponsible but I do think it's
00:55:28
irresponsible when people then you know take something because somebody changed their story here and there and then all
00:55:37
son try to point a guilty finger towards that person well Kelsey went on to stress that her family has been nothing
00:55:48
but cooperative with the police investigation keep in mind I'm really simplifying this and really shortening
00:55:54
this a lot because this was a very long video she's really just addressing the fact that there has been so many people
00:56:01
that have stated that somebody and her family is guilty of this crime and she's just pointing out that
00:56:09
they've been nothing but cooperative in her opinion with the police investigation saying quote absolutely no
00:56:15
one has refused a lie-detector test that is a very big misconception we've been very open and gave the police everything
00:56:23
that we know she spoke highly of her relatives who have been smeared online and noted that
00:56:29
alibis and other proof she said showed they had nothing to do with the killings she also shot down any rumblings that
00:56:38
her family and investigators were not getting along she then addressed a more specific rumor
00:56:45
this stems from when authority said that Libby's phone pinged off two towers mmm
00:56:51
the day she disappeared armchair detectives theorized it must have been because the device was moving around
00:56:58
town but Kelsey said that was not the case Libby's phone did ping on two towers she said but that was because the
00:57:07
town is so small if you move to one side of your house your phone may switch towers sometimes right and I think this
00:57:18
is tough for her family too because you have so many people that have been investing time and energy I mean that
00:57:26
this is man we covered it early on but we've talked about this case several times on off the record and but you know
00:57:36
I agree with you on the idea that some of these individuals they're not even looking into the idea that somebody
00:57:44
might have an alibi or they might have a bunch of evidence the point that they weren't involved at all and these people
00:57:53
online are then not even paying attention to that evidence and just running with their own theory because
00:58:01
they had a gut feeling or they saw something and went oh that guy that guy gives me the heebie-jeebies so therefore
00:58:09
they're guilty well despite all of the suspects that we have mentioned on these last two shows this case is far from
00:58:19
being solved the Indiana State Police are still asking for your help the public's help the FBI did release a list
00:58:29
of behavioral clues that could help lead investigators to the killer or killers the agency is asking the public to be on
00:58:38
the lookout for anyone who has exhibited the following signs around the times of
00:58:44
the murders changes to their daily routines including modified sleep patterns increased use of alcohol or
00:58:53
drugs cleaned or disposed of clothing and or shoes that might have been worn On February 13 2017 missed work or other
00:59:03
engagements anxiety nervousness or irritability excessive attention to the investigation media coverage or lengthy
00:59:14
discussions related to the murders on Monday February 13 2017 the individual or individuals responsible for these
00:59:23
crimes may have been absent from work missed or canceled an appointment or social engagements or been unavailable
00:59:31
or unresponsive during the afternoon period the FBI explained this in their news release they state they may have
00:59:39
been a no-show or offered a plausible excuse for their absence or tardiness such as illness death in the family car
00:59:48
trouble etc if anyone has any information at all or if you have a tip police want those email to them they
00:59:58
have stated publicly several times this is how they would prefer to receive tips
01:00:04
and you can email any info to Abby and Libby tip at CA Co SH RF comm that's Abby and Libby tip at CA cos H RF comm
01:00:20
and of course if you have information but you believe that you are in danger please call 911
01:00:28
[Music] well I thank everybody for listening and joining us in the garage if you have
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thoughts on this case please go to true crime garage comm and click on the blog do we have any recommended reading this
01:00:48
week yes captain this week we are recommending Kentucky bloodbath this is by wild blue Press which has
01:00:56
really become one of the big publishers for true crime in the last five to ten years so anything from wild blue press
01:01:03
I'm always excited about this is by Kevin Sullivan who we have recommended his books before this is Kentucky
01:01:10
bloodbath 10 bizarre tales of murder from the Bluegrass State and you can find that title along with other
01:01:17
recommendations at true crime garage com on the recommended page I want to thank
01:01:22
everybody for sharing these cases on social media and helping to spread the word we need more information
01:01:28
and until next week be good be kind and don't live [Music] [Applause]