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[Music] I don't know [Music] Captain we are here on part two of what we are calling our Las Vegas crime
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stories and why would we be covering multiple crime stories from Sin City Las Vegas well of course that's because we
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talking about Vegas crime stories and there are so many interesting ones to cover we hope you enjoy the ones that we
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chose for this week so in a sense everyone this is a part two but if you haven't listened to part one don't worry
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you can continue on because we covered a completely different True Crime Story start to finish in part one this week so
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thank you for joining us back here in the garage and we got another great interesting Vegas crime story for you
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here today let's start off by introducing a very important individual this man his name is John L Bailey John
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was born in November of 1942 in the great state of Massachusetts he graduated from the University of
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Pittsburgh and served this great country in the United States Marine Corps and in
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the Vietnam conflict during which he was decorated with two bronze stars and in 1969 he became a special agent with the
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Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI and was eventually assigned to several different field offices this included
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Louisville New York and then lastly Las Vegas that leads us to the start of today's story here Captain because we're
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starting off on June 25th 1990 and this is when special agent John L Bailey he is on duty working for the FBI's Las
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Vegas office now one of his assignments for that day is to go to the Security Pacific Bank today the bank is still
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there but it's called Bank of America this is in Las Vegas Nevada their special agent Bailey was serving a
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subpoena in the bank agent Bailey arrived at the bank with no issues at all but while inside the bank something
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happened agent Bailey hears a scream followed by some commotion he quickly identifies where the scream
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came from and he rushes over to a female bank teller now the teller tells special
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agent Bailey that the man who had just left her window had a gun and attempted to rob her attempted to rob the bank now
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I'll break from the action for a second here and play John Madden commentary for
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you and fill in the blanks what has happened here is that a man has disguised himself as a woman with gauze
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on one cheek and he's got one of his arms in a sling my guess is that he might have been
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using the sling to hide or conceal the gun right or maybe he hurt his arm with too much flicky flicky he approaches the
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teller he tells the teller you know she's friendly hey welcome to Security Pacific Bank how can I help you he tells
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her shut up this is a robbery so he makes a robbery attempt but the teller it freaks her out so she screams when
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she sees the gun and he says shut up she screams and it's reported that she screamed
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592 or or 592. those numbers now I'm guessing that's some kind of code in that bank for
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robbery or you know she shouts this out and jumps back from the counter this in turn
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startles the robber who then must have decided to abort the whole robbery plan altogether
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right because then he turns and starts to walk back toward the door to exit the building well this is when special agent
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John Bailey steps in so picking up where we left off now the teller is telling special agent Bailey that the man who
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had just left her window he had a gun and had attempted to rob her so bayley turns and runs after the robber
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and of course he draws his service weapon he identifies himself as an FBI agent and ordered the bank robber to stop
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the man still walking to the nearest exit starts to turn back toward the agent and as this man turns keep in mind
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he still has his gun in his hand reacting to seeing the gun special agent Bailey fired off one shot
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which does not hit our robber it hits the door that he was attempting to leave from which as most of us know a lot of
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these doors in these banks are glass so he hits this door and the glass shatters
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well this scares the would-be robber enough to the point where he is now going to listen to the agent and he does
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drop his gun well let's back up just a little bit because I do have some experience of being a banker and working
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in that industry for quite a while so let's let's go over some protocol when you are a teller and look I worked many
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years and sometimes as a roaming teller so you have a home location but then there's multiple locations when they are
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short staffed then you have to go over and work and one of the things that tellers talk
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a lot about is have you been robbed but no oh I have been this is what happened and they remember every detail
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but oddly they might remember their actions and what they were doing and how they felt they might not remember
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the details of the actual robber themselves so the protocol is this or and I'm sure it's changed throughout the
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years and with technology but we've all seen in Hollywood movies there's a silent alarm that you hit and
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that alarm then will let your security if you have security know but it also could send an
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alarm to police it also sends alarms to other employees at the bank if if your system set up I've worked in different
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banks where it would alarm the managers and other people and I've worked in other situations where you you hit the
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button and you have no clue what it does it might go straight to alerting local police but so I'm the teller guy comes
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up let's say he passes me a note give me all your money I'm going to try to hit that alarm if I can if I can't
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I have two things that I can give the robber one a die pack it looks just like a
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strapped money sometimes on the Note they'll say no strap money just lose money so in that
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scenario or if they're communicating you with you vocally and they say no strap money you are trained to just don't even
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try to hand it to him or they might tell you well put it on the counter see if they take it
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so you have the die pack which will then eventually explode and then you have another pack which is
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marked money so the marked money is just regular money but we have a record of what the serial numbers of those dollars
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are so if you can get to the silent alarm if you can give them the die pack or if you
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could give them what they call the bait money again I'm sure it's different for every
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bank but one of the banks that I worked at once you pulled the bait money it would also trigger trigger alarm so
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the main situation you're trying to avoid as the teller is a takeover situation you want the robber in and out
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as fast as you can and you want to avoid this situation like the movie Point Break for example that's a terrifying
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takeover situation multiple men multiple guns and they're violent and willing to
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shoot and willing to Fire and and yelling and screaming at the the the employees as well as the customers of
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the bank as well yeah and and also people might be familiar with the movie The Town which I think is a brilliant
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movie brilliant it take over in the sense of a robber or multiple robbers getting
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behind the line you want to keep the desk or the whatever console you're behind in between you two and you want
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to just get them whatever they want that's why a lot of these bank robbers will say well if you if you don't go
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after a bunch of money you're going to get a bunch of stuff real quick and then get out of there but
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you might a lot of people would think that the number is high but they would give you a
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yearly estimate like this year the average bank robber only walked away with three hundred dollars so it's a lot
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lower than you would think which is insane because it's a federal offense because it's a
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bank you'd be smarter as a criminal to go rob a business we've we've learned that from doing True Crime garage when
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we cover these cases where a business is robbed it's thousands of dollars usually
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that they're leaving with a business yeah and so we had a scenario and it also weirdly happens
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where there's not that many customers in the bank and I don't know if that's something that bank robbers are are
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looking for or maybe there's too many people in the bank so then they get scared because you would have to deal
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with like in this situation off-duty police officer or on duty police officer but I
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remember a case where there's two people online there was a lady and there was a
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man and there was just two tellers out I was on the far left side the other teller
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was on the far right side there was multiple uh workstations between us and the lady finished
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and I noticed that the teller to the right of me was kind of busy so I motioned the guy come forward come
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forward and I just knew like I just had this feeling there's something off about this
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guy and so I ducked down because I had a bunch of coin that I needed to put in my
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stations little tiny Vault and locked the door and I did that and he decided to not go to me
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because again I'm 6'3 my my colleague was five four maybe he was a pretty small guy so he went to him
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and as I'm coming up thinking that the guy is going to be at my station I turn the guy's already gone and my co-worker
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is just white you know the ghostly white and I'm like you okay he's like I just was robbed and I was like hit your
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button and then there's a protocol afterwards well did did you hit your alarm no you didn't that's okay hit this
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alarm did you pull your bait money no go ahead and pull that and then then I'm directed to hit my alarm and then I went
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and locked the doors and you call the cops and you just shut down the whole bank so even though there there was no
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gun involved there was no note involved in this case but you you see right away how affected
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somebody is just by the robbery attempt yeah and even without the presence of a firearm you as a person and you're being
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robbed you you never the idea that there could be a firearm on this person does not leave your mind right and so and
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just to kind of point something out here captain you pointed out your height but I'm also
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thinking yeah no kidding he went to the smaller teller because if this individual is not armed and just
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wants to hand a note and the captain's having a bad day well you got quite the wingspan too my friend you could grab
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this guy and just hold him to the counter until the authorities get there and here's what's funny and not to look
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I I think people should take this very serious and I would also suggest that in the banking industry they've
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dealt with this so much that they know would rather lose money than a person yes and so we have came up
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with these protocols for safety but when my co-worker was his name was Ray he's like I was robbed
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I I don't know what happened it was like this shot of a adrenaline and I was like
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yelling and cursing and it's like because I like I said when I said come over here hey I can help you down here
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it's like I knew there was something wrong and then he goes I was robbed and I'm screaming you know the the mother
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effort could have came to me like that coward and I'm like screaming and and again it could be one of those
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situations you're handed that note and you're having a bad day and you go no not today buddy well that guy pulls
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out a gun takes over the bank it becomes a whole different scenario not to you know talk too much about my
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personal story but then I have to notify everybody in the bank we were just robbed there's a
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couple ladies in the break room and I say hey guys I just locked the doors we were just robbed
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and my manager at the time just goes ghost white and she's like physically shaking
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and tears are just rushing out of her face she gets up and she's she's our manager
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so she's trying to make sure that everybody's okay and I noticed that she's there's
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something wrong with her and I'm like Heather it's okay we're we were you know yeah the guy just got a couple bucks we
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locked the door raised fine and then I found out that she actually was a part of a takeover
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um up in I I don't know if you remember this in Westerville and one of the security guards which was
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off-duty cop was actually she was laying on the ground and he was in a room and he was trying to come out
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I think he had his gun drawn and everything was going to try to come out onto the people robbing the bank and
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they shot him and he fell and like right by her and he ended up dying it was a big case
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in Ohio and I didn't know that she was a part of that but she was I mean she was a mess I mean you could
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just see you know PTSD happening in front of your face you could see what trauma does to an individual which then
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took our seeming to be not such a serious life-threatening situation and it became
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way more intense and it's probably the reason why I remember every little step that happened for the
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next hour well it's real interesting to me too the way that these agencies will work on these types of crimes and and
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different crimes you know but in reference to bank robberies you know the FBI for years and probably still do had
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a squad that was back then back in the 70s was referred to as the crime prevention sorry
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back in the 70s and 80s was referred to as the crime prevention and reactionary Squad and in fact John Douglas friend of
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our show he served in that reactionary Squad before this whole profiling thing came
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about with the Behavioral Science unit and so one thing that they did when they specialized in bank robberies and I
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always found this to be fascinating they were trying to go in and teach bank tellers and bank managers and kind of
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set up some of the protocols that you're talking about here Captain so that one not only can we try to prevent
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as many future bank robberies as possible but if one should happen how should the teller or managers behave so
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that we get some information on the criminal right and one thing that I found fascinating was he was saying the
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first thing that they noticed that was wrong in most of the bank robberies most of these bank robberies go down just
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like you said the person robbing the bank much different than our Las Vegas situation
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hands a note instead of saying hey shut up this is a robbery hands a note they want it to be kind of on the DL be very
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quiet they want to get that money and they want to get out of there and hopefully not have to pull a gun in the
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process but the very first thing that they noticed that would be would be uh to the
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FBI's Advantage who would later investigate the bank robbery was that the teller just out of natural instinct
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almost always gave the note back to the robber along with the money yeah not to cut you off but that's again one of the
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protocols if the robber then comes in and hands you a note you are to take that note yes just as you would a
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deposit and so what they were teaching the FBI was actively teaching Banks specifically banks in certain regions
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where there was a high trend of bank robberies going on the first thing that they taught them was at the very least
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drop the note on the floor in front of you behind the counter right do not give it back to the robber because at the
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very least we can get a handwriting sample or maybe there'll be something on that piece of paper that will help us to
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later identify this person or where they came from all very interesting stuff I imagine with your protocols that you had
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there was no and I can't imagine that this being a protocol anywhere all of these years later but in 1990 I can only
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assume her screaming 592 was some kind of code for the bank which you wouldn't want to do that because I
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would believe that screaming something like that and and I'm not faulting this teller right she simply reacting to a
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very stressful and surprising situation but yelling something like that could very quickly
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lead to maybe even a hostage situation I don't know if there we were directed during training of where to put the note
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but we had two drawers our top money drawer and then we had our secondary drawer and we were then instructed if
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you get a note put it put it in the secondary drawer and just shut it you don't have to lock it but it was a lot
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about you know trying to remain calm and look the bacon industry it's high turnover you work with somebody for a
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couple months and they're gone especially at the lower level positions but one thing that I can't applaud them
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for is did Rey make all the best decisions did he give the note back if he made mistakes or or you did things
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differently than your training during that situation nobody faulted you right there it was a
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lot of compassion to go hey you went through this and every now and there there'd be some
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jerk you know have you ever been robbed oh yeah I was robbed it was terrifying well was there a gun no it's just a note
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well you're you're a [ __ ] or you're this or yeah you don't want to stick around to find out if there is a gun
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yeah and it's like that's my argument anytime there was some douchebag going oh yeah man well I would have I would
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have jumped over the counter and karate kicked the guy in the face it's not your
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money dude if they're crazy enough to come in knowing that it's a federal charge you don't know what their intent
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is is their intent to get a thousand bucks is their intent for you to open up the drawer and then they pull out a gun
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you know are in this moment are they going to go from what I wanted a thousand bucks but now I think I could
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get more well and I imagine the overall general idea is and unfortunately it's not going to work out that way in
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today's True Crime Story but I would imagine the general idea is give them the bait money and get them out of there
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as soon as possible hopefully they just take what you give them turn around and they leave and then we don't end up with
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a situation where someone gets hurt unfortunately in our case here today captain that will not be the situation
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we have agent Bailey who identifies himself to the fleeing robber as an FBI agent he's got his service gun drawn
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pointed toward this man who's trying to flee the exit he turns the robber turns and looks at him and when that happens
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the agent identifies the gun in his hand he fires off a shot the agent fires off
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a shot which then goes through the glass door scares the robber enough that he drops
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his gun so agent Bailey grabs the robber now he's holding him up against a wall as you can kind of picture when these
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cops you know arrest somebody on TV they put him up against the wall and we look
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like we're about to Cuff this guy okay so now as it would appear we have everything under control we had
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all this commotion now we have everything under control guy attempts to rob a bank and as luck would have it for
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him an FBI agent just so happens to be in the bank mind you this bank had none of its own security at the bank
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so it is time for this guy to be taken into custody now acting swiftly special agent Bailey he frisks the robber
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and he has him sit down in a chair so he can kind of control him now one teller dials 9-1-1 and agent Bailey told
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someone else to call the local FBI office and let them know that there's been a robbery attempt but there's an
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agent here that's got the situation under control can you send additional agents and then
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he has to ask another bank employee to go and retrieve his handcuffs from his car
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and keep in mind special agents with the FBI are not frequently using handcuffs day to day you know they're not like
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beat cops that need to carry the handcuffs all the time or multiple handcuffs because they're using them
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frequently the robber is in the chair while Bailey is waiting for the handcuffs the bank employee returns with the Cuffs
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but before agent Bailey could shackle the robber his attention special agent Bailey's attention was apparently
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diverted and when this happens the robber sees an opportunity and so the bank robber lunged at Bailey
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knocking the agent's gun out of his hand and knocking Bailey to the ground so there's a brief scuffle now but
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before agent Bailey could retrieve his gun the bank robber recovers his own weapon
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[Music] foreign [Music] all right we are back mates cheers to you the windows to the walls cheers to you
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captain and cheers to everybody that's going to Crime con this weekend so where we left off here we have agent Bailey
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who's trying to apprehend this individual to try to rob the Security Pacific Bank and instead before he could
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shackle this individual we have a scuffle that breaks out the robber sees an opportunity knocks Bailey to the
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ground and then before Bailey can recover his weapon well the bank robber recovered his own weapon now with gun in
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hand the robber takes a couple steps toward agent Bailey and fires off a shot then another step toward the agent and
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then fires off several more shots meanwhile remember 9-1-1 has already been called by this point
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this was done right after the robbery attempt so right as the robber was attempting to flee and Bailey was in
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pursuit of him 9-1-1 is called so now the teller has to dramatically change the information that she is providing to
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the emergency dispatcher because unfortunately this whole situation went from apprehending the robbery to
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way out of control very very quickly the teller is saying to the 911 dispatcher quote the suspect is firing shots the
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teller told the emergency dispatcher quote yes he has shot the FBI agent the FBI agent has been shot end quote I mean
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absolute chaos but again remind the listeners what this individual looks like yes remember the robber has
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disguised himself as a woman dressed as a woman an injured woman with the gauze on the face and an arm in the sling and
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of course after the scuffle breaks out I'm sure that the arm is no longer in a sling here
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but in all the robber unfortunately managed to shoot special agent Bailey three times a total of three times
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well not wanting to stick around the robber runs out of the building and then runs to a scene running to a blue
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Firebird now not only did this guy show up armed to the bank that day and in a disguise
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he had a getaway car and driver waiting for him outside of the bank so the robber jumps into this blue
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Firebird in the passenger side and the driver steps on the gas and away they go now as the gunman fled to the waiting
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Car special agent Bailey is still lying on the ground severely injured he's in very bad shape at this point shot three
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times a short time later Bailey was transported to a hospital where he had succumbed to the three gunshot wounds
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unfortunately agent Bailey passed away on that day in 1990. now this man thought he was going to be walking out
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of the bank with a big bag of cash right the robber thought he would have a successful robbery at this point in his
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day had everything gone as planned he thought he would be sitting somewhere celebrating probably having a drink or
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two dividing up the cash with his getaway guy right instead he's got nothing except a pissed off driver well in a
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murder charge yes now he's responsible for killing a federal agent yeah but let's go back to the before the conflict
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Robert comes up she yells what five nine two correct scares the guy he takes off if there is
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no shot if there's no confronting this individual there's no there is no murder right that's one of those things about
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this case that's just haunting to me how you know we talk about this all the time
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how life can change on a dime especially in these True Crime cases the weird scenario of two things one we would
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later learn that they case this joint and you'll see once we start going through some of this evidence that that
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is obvious but they case the joint and this robber whoever he is he picked this bank and decided to go forward with the
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plan because they had no security they didn't have armed officers or security guards there at the bank so that was one
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of the reasons for choosing this Bank who would have thought agent Bailey never would have thought
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this the bank robber never would have thought this anybody in the bank that day never would have thought this that
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on the same day at the same moment two individuals that probably decided that they had to be at this Bank on this day
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for completely different reasons days earlier right the agent knows he has to serve a subpoena at some point
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this robber decides yes this is the bank for me to go do the job who would have thought that two people from very
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different walks of life would be walking into that same bank roughly the same time and be in the same four walls
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both armed to carry out completely different missions and both lives have changed in a matter of just seconds to
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minutes here in this case one life taken way too early and now another man who is on the run
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and you're right Captain it's one of those things that is just so damn haunting and really sad too to sit back
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and think about it and look back on it because hindsight is always 20 20. that's what they tell us and I guarantee
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you if you could ask special agent Bailey if you could ask the robber if you could ask anybody that was there
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that day if we would have just done nothing or done something different we will probably be looking at a
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completely different outcome well and that's one of the reasons why the banks release these statistics
00:34:44
are you coming to the bank and you rob us you're walking away with the average of a couple hundred bucks
00:34:50
so is that even worth putting yourself into this situation and that's why a lot of these Banks they
00:34:59
used to have armed guards and they realize that sometimes that escalates situations instead of
00:35:06
de-escalating them and then you see now a lot of situations where Banks won't have armed guards on staff well and I
00:35:14
want to be perfectly clear here too I'm not blaming I'm blaming zero percent of the situation on special agent Bailey
00:35:21
this man took an oath to protect and serve and he certainly did that that day he died a hero and this is a man that
00:35:29
served our great country two bronze Stars this is a man that that decided one day
00:35:36
when I see something wrong going on when I see a bad person I'm going to step into action and I'm going to take care
00:35:43
of business well that's uh they they made just like with nurses you know they make though to to help individuals so if
00:35:52
you ever seen somebody in public I was on a plane recently and this lady was having an issue and there was a couple
00:35:59
nurses that just sprung into action and you just realized that these are some Elite humans just like this individual
00:36:08
he he made the oath I'm going to protect and serve my community and and he did so
00:36:14
and what's so sad is okay so this guy comes in to rob the bank you're gonna walk away with a couple hundred bucks
00:36:20
and now you got a murder charge is it worth the greed all of the blame lies on the side of the bad guys of the robbers
00:36:29
because had this not taken place at all none of this would have come about so not blaming agent Bailey and in fact the
00:36:37
the thing is with a lot of our good women and men that protect and serve and serve this country in the military you
00:36:45
ask them to do a job that most people cannot do it's not fair to ask them to turn it on
00:36:52
and off they got to be on a lot of these people have to be on all the time well I
00:36:57
just want to say this guy's a [ __ ] bag and also your makeup didn't look that good either
00:37:02
no I bet you he made for one ugly it was one ugly woman check this out though Captain
00:37:10
our Guy special agent John Bailey before the Man rushed him knocking him to the floor
00:37:17
Bailey took the guy's wallet he he was already in the the apprehending process so far that he had
00:37:26
taken this man's wallet so after the robber fled the scene we now have police and EMTs
00:37:34
arriving on the scene and the officers quickly noticed the robber's wallet is still at the scene a police officer who
00:37:43
arrived at the crime scene shortly after the robber fled discovered a motorcycle
00:37:50
parked in the handicapped parking space just outside of the Security Pacific Bank an investigation of the vehicle
00:37:59
identification number or the VIN on the motorcycle revealed that a man named Jose achevera was the owner of that
00:38:08
motorcycle now a quick check with the DMV or BMV or whoever you are and wherever you're from whatever they call
00:38:14
it there disclose that the license plate attached to that motorcycle in the handicap spot belonged to another
00:38:22
vehicle it was not a license plate that was to go on that motorcycle someone had
00:38:28
switched the plate but we know who the motorcycle belongs to because we have the van
00:38:36
but the rightful owner of the license plate found on the motorcycle was identified
00:38:42
as a one Carlos Alfredo Guri let's review some of the evidence that we have here Captain because we have this
00:38:49
motorcycle we have the license plate we have the wallet of the individual who was attempting to rob the bank we also
00:38:58
have the grainy surveillance camera video the footage that captured the desperate
00:39:04
fight between the agent and the robber and we also have the 9-1-1 call which was recorded which was the teller
00:39:13
explaining what was going on shortly after the robbery attempt and through the scuffle and the shots itself
00:39:21
unfortunately you can even hear faintly in the background some of the shots while the operator is on the phone with
00:39:30
this teller if you had this information it was just a robbery I mean they'd obviously take it pretty serious but
00:39:38
you have officer dead this becomes very serious so where are they going to take this information and what are they going
00:39:46
to do with it you're exactly right Captain this is an all hands on deck type of situation we got everybody at
00:39:52
the Las Vegas branch of the FBI that is going to want to find both of these individuals arrest and convict
00:40:00
them and look that spreads throughout this entire country that's a federal agency and then you have local PD this
00:40:09
ends up being a very big case very quickly a very big investigation and luckily for the investigation itself
00:40:17
you've kind of been delivered your Prime suspects names on a silver platter you got the motorcycle you got the
00:40:25
license plate and you got some man's identification so what they do is a quick check on both of these individuals
00:40:33
running their names through the system Mr Carlos and Mr Jose running their names through the system they very
00:40:40
quickly figure out that the two of course they know each other I'm guessing that at one point they probably
00:40:47
were concerned that maybe Jose had simply lifted a plate off of somebody else and put it on the
00:40:53
motorcycle but again they know that somebody drove Jose away from the scene after the robbery attempt
00:41:02
they figure out that these two guys share an apartment together and what I'm guessing happened here Captain is that
00:41:09
you have they were laid on rent well I who knows what they needed the money for wanted the money for but regardless I'm
00:41:18
thinking as far as what played out before the robbery attempt is probably one of these individuals likely Jose
00:41:25
arrives on the scene Parks the motorcycle and the handicap spot probably Fashions himself up quickly in
00:41:35
this this not so great disguise of a woman with the the arm and a sling because you don't want your getaway
00:41:43
vehicle sitting out in the parking lot for minutes or an hour or what have you you also don't want your getaway driver
00:41:50
constantly just circling around the building waiting waiting for you to come out so I'm guessing that he went in
00:41:56
there on the motorcycle Parks it goes in in Disguise thinks that he can make a quick robbery who who knows how much
00:42:03
money they were hoping to get they probably have a designated time hey at this time this is when I'm going to be
00:42:11
inside the bank you need to be out front of the bank as quickly as possible and I
00:42:16
can flee and jump into that vehicle and we can drive off into the sunset together maybe retrieve the motorcycle
00:42:22
later or leave it there altogether who knows but of course we know that their plan
00:42:28
didn't work out that way and when they discovered that these two individuals lived together and shared an apartment
00:42:34
together there is a little bit of break in the action right they're not going to
00:42:39
know immediately how to track down both of these individuals it takes just I'm imagining
00:42:45
here just hours if not one day's turnaround time but ultimately they locate Carlos Guri the getaway driver
00:42:55
at his home at the apartment he's still there they arrest him at the apartment now what they're doing in the meantime
00:43:03
is they have his picture and they have Jose echeveras picture as well they're showing these
00:43:12
pictures to people that work at the bank and anybody that they think may have seen these individuals or interacted
00:43:19
with them before what they end up happening here Captain is a lot of people are starting to tell the
00:43:24
investigators hey that that Carlos gurri guy I saw a guy that looked just like him
00:43:31
lurking around the bank days before and yes he was always on a motorcycle or near a motorcycle he was just kind of
00:43:40
hanging around outside of the bank they figure out ultimately that he was casing
00:43:45
The Joint my guess here too is that Jose echevera was probably casing The Joint as well we just don't have anybody
00:43:51
saying that they saw Jose echevere there before the robbery so they cased out this joint and believe you me it is not
00:44:00
by accident in my opinion that they picked this bank because there was no armed guard
00:44:06
now they're on the lookout for this Jose echevera well on the 26th of June they're going to get a phone call
00:44:18
that they really wanted and this is the Mexican authorities calling and saying we got your guy
00:44:27
Jose echevera fled to Mexico but was apprehended by Mexican authorities and he was then taken to an airport and
00:44:36
returned to the United States got him now both men are going to be facing charges of first-degree murder and of
00:44:46
course they didn't plan on killing anybody that day when they chose to rob the bank but
00:44:52
as we know in many states if you commit a murder especially that of a federal agent in the process of committing other
00:45:00
felonies well you're going to face you're going to be looking at the most strictest of punishments the the most
00:45:07
strictest of charges and so they're both charged with first degree murder in 1991
00:45:14
Jose echevera was convicted on five counts one was first degree murder and the use
00:45:21
of a deadly weapon burglary attempted robbery escape and conspiracy he was sentenced to death Carlos was also
00:45:30
convicted of first-degree murder with the use of a deadly weapon burglary attempted robbery and conspiracy
00:45:37
receiving a life sentence in prison with the possibility of parole now both men appealed their convictions Jose also
00:45:48
appealed his sentence is there charges higher because it's a federal building and it's
00:45:55
a federal agent I would imagine that's all encompassing in this situation here the the other thing that's key too is
00:46:04
not only did he kill an FBI agent but he killed an FBI agent after the man after agent Bailey identified
00:46:13
himself as such right so the the suspect knows that this is a federal agent and with that comes a different set of
00:46:22
charges and pencil and penalties one of the the difficult things here in this case though captain and one of the
00:46:30
things that is in Jose echevera's appeals he had multiple appeals obviously but in one of the appeals his
00:46:38
argument was Mexican authorities they it sounds like they did a number on him once he was arrested or at least
00:46:46
according to Jose's version of the story that they beat him up pretty good and this before returning him to the United
00:46:54
States he says during the course of of them beating him up and and the torture or whatever they put him through that
00:47:02
that's when he confessed to them what's difficult here though is it doesn't appear that that
00:47:08
confession was really used in any way for the conviction of this individual and I don't know how this would work you
00:47:16
know a lot of this legal stuff is very tricky to kind of parse out and sift through
00:47:21
but the situation would be even if he is telling the truth he was assaulted by an
00:47:28
agency outside of this country not by an any of our agencies that worked his case
00:47:34
in Las Vegas or in the United States my my issue with a lot of these criminals is they they want to be treated a
00:47:42
certain way they want to be pampered in such a way essentially these these horrible
00:47:50
[ __ ] stains they're animals it's like uh you see on TV somebody there's a high speed chase
00:47:59
and when the officers get the guy they slam him on the ground just a little bit too hard
00:48:05
and people go oh look at that that's police brutality and you're like this guy was driving
00:48:11
hundreds of miles an hour in all these zones where if he would have hit a child yes or I mean it's like and and that's
00:48:18
the frustration once they get their hands on right one of these [ __ ] prisons it's like they okay they slammed him
00:48:25
down a little bit too hard they cuffed him a little too hard they don't care that he's a little uncomfortable it's
00:48:30
criminal brutality for the all the events that led up to being slammed onto the ground exactly it's the the human
00:48:38
indifference toward other potential loss of life or injury to your fellow man by
00:48:44
the criminal as well that upsets me it's just like what we talked about in yesterday's case
00:48:49
they put that bomb on top of a car in a public place anybody could have walked up and picked that thing up it could
00:48:56
have been it someone that it was not intended for and I'm not saying that I wanted it to hit anybody at all right
00:49:02
I'm just saying anybody a child could have walked over and picked that thing up and that's the thing that that I get
00:49:10
upset about too here Captain is that these criminals we see it time and time again this these guys set out on a
00:49:19
mission to take an armed weapon to be armed and go into a bank with a weapon and Rob the
00:49:25
place for money for money and in the process one of them murdered a federal agent and the other individual
00:49:35
helped drive that person away from the scene and so we have this time and time again where
00:49:43
criminals will ask or expect a certain level of respect expect a certain level of compassion of
00:49:53
human decency from the rest of us from the general public from all of the citizens of this great country and other
00:49:59
great countries when in turn they would never give us any respect they would never show us any compassion they would
00:50:05
never show us any human decency and I'ma get what you give kind of person you ain't getting that from me yeah preach
00:50:12
on brother man we also had a couple of situations take place that I think are interesting to this case and provide
00:50:18
additional evidence against these two individuals one was that blue Firebird was recovered it was found abandoned
00:50:27
along a highway and they also figured out that at Jose echevera's request another individual actually buried
00:50:35
two the two guns that were used in the robbery the one that shot John L Bailey and those guns were later recovered so
00:50:44
we had some other individuals that faced some charges as well in this situation we do have agent Bailey who he had a
00:50:53
family he had a wife and a family his daughter is now grown and what they did was they they actually dedicated the the
00:51:03
Las Vegas FBI building which is located at Lake Mead and at Martin Luther King this building was dedicated and named in
00:51:13
memory of Special Agent John L Bailey that took place in August of 2007. and I know we this is what we do
00:51:25
it's called True Crime garage I know we're going to talk about crimes it's aggravating but yeah I mean it's
00:51:33
like just be better people it's just I was in the grocery store line the other day and it's like they didn't have
00:51:39
enough lines open and this lady just started acting like a child and I just thought your your daughter's here be
00:51:47
better Kinder humans patience truly is a virtue yeah or you get up in the line and the lady in front of me is
00:51:55
complaining complaining to the cashier it's like do you think the cashier wants a huge line no she looks miserable she
00:52:04
looks miserable because there's 20 people in her line and there's no backup coming and you just go why can't you be
00:52:11
better people or like when you're driving down a two-lane Highway and you see a car
00:52:17
coming into your lane because they're on their freaking phone I can't can't we all just start being a
00:52:24
little bit more mature a little more aware of others a little bit more compassionate like you can spread
00:52:31
kindness I know that sounds maybe a little hippie sappy whatever you want to say but you can spread kindness
00:52:39
you could spread kindness you can spread love try to make this try to wake up every day and make this
00:52:47
world a little bit better [Music] we will be at crime con Las Vegas this Friday and Saturday on podcast row so if
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you are there in attendance please drop by our little table and say hello to the
00:53:14
captain say hello to the colonel and everybody traveling to Las Vegas this weekend safe travels to you have a fun
00:53:22
safe time while you're there I just want to hug and squeeze and kiss it each and
00:53:27
every one of you hold you tied to my bosom make me feel good like like I'm filled
00:53:34
up with a warm Campbell Soup Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the Beautiful List yes we do Captain this
00:53:42
week we are recommending a new book that's a great book it's called the girl I never knew by Ladonna Humphrey and
00:53:49
guess what little surprise here the forward was written by yours truly so make sure you check out the girl I never
00:53:55
knew by Ladonna Humphrey and that is available in paperback and it's about the Melissa wit case still unsolved
00:54:03
after all of these years did you have a ghost writer no did you use a computer or did you use a typewriter I used a
00:54:12
computer and a notepad if we if we really want to get you 30 here first folks right pen to paper and then
00:54:20
fingers to keyboard yeah check out the girl I never knew you can find that great title and many more on our website
00:54:26
at True Crime garage.com on our recommended page yeah so much stuff anything True Crime that you want to
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check out we got a great store Page got the recommended reading we got the links
00:54:36
for off the Record so much stuff check it out until next week be good be kind and don't let it
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thank you [Music]