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gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign decade since two Collier County men were
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last seen in fact this week will Mark 17 years to the day that anyone has seen Terence Williams Law Enforcement is
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still actively on the hunt to piece together the mysterious disappearances of both men 23 year old Philippe Santos
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was the first to go missing in October of 2003 after Santos got into an early morning fender bender Collier County
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Deputy Steve Calkins was dispatched to the intersection of a mochilia Road and Airport Pulling road instead of leaving
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him abandoned alongside of the road Caulkin says this is what he told investigators that he did the young man
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a favor according to detective O'Neal who has worked this case O'Neill says he meaning culkins drives him about a
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quarter mile East to a convenience store where Caulkins says he issued him three
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citations and allows him to use a phone and according to culkins is the last time that he sees Mr Santos it's also
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the last time anyone saw Philippe Santos now fast forward three months to January
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2004 that's when Terence Williams ran into some car problems and encounters Deputy Caulkins it's unclear exactly
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what transpired because officer Calkins recollection of these events have changed several times according to his
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statements again back to detective O'Neill he says quote Witnesses tell us that there was an exchange
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a conversation between Calkins and Williams nothing alarming but Mr Williams was placed in the back of
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Caulkins patrol car and just like Philippe Santos that was the last time anyone saw 27 year old Terence Williams
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Collier County Sheriff's Department have been very transparent about this situation and I applaud them for that we
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have detective Kevin O'Neill on the record saying quote the facts the testimony and what happened keeps
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bringing us back to one person Steve Calkins yeah because in all these cases we have eyewitnesses that are not uh
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connected to the individuals they have no dog in the fight like you'd say well and in this case the Collier County
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Sheriff's Department they have a big dog in the fight one of their own is being looked at for potential involvement in
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The Disappearance of two young men a big [ __ ] in the fight and that's why I think
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it's important that they've been transparent and they've investigated their own here they've investigated
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Stephen culkins we have so many situations where we talk about theories and conspiracy theories of police cover
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ups and so on and so forth but that does not seem to be the situation here we have again detective O'Neill on the
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record saying most of his meaning Steve Calkins accounts are troubling to any investigator who looks at the case
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because there are inconsistencies in his stories we have three agencies at one point that we're actively working this
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case a good that gives you a good little checks and balances there all three agencies were pleading with the public
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to reach back into their minds and let them know anything that could help bring this case to the next level detective
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O'Neill again quote if they saw an interaction between a patrol car and a citizen back then in a wooded area
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a parking lot the back of a business something that is just not normal we want to hear from you anybody that wants
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to look into this case on their own I think a good starting place would be the Charlie project and that's the Charlie
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project org you can go to their website and that's Charlie c-h-a-r-l-e-y project.org there's a very
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good page for each individual with some detailed specific information on both of
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these missing persons cases for both Philippe Santos and Terence Williams well I think the tough thing here is
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that you have law enforcement what are they signing up for to protect and serve but we have these two men that go
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missing and the last person known to be with the men are law enforcement that are
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supposed to protect and serve these individuals so what would be his motive to get rid of these guys or make these
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guys disappear that's a very good question And in regards to the Public's assistance
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in helping law enforcement with this case we as well as others are asking that you contact these different
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agencies but one of them includes the Collier County Sheriff's Office and people would say well why would I want
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to call them they're probably you know one of their own might be responsible for why these two are missing again I
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think they're doing good work here they have recognized and observe this to be a problem
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that one of their own is a problem they do not trust his own words they do not trust what he is saying to them in fact
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they let him go and this was in rather short order as well we have these individuals go missing between October
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2003 and 2004 January 2004 and it's August of 2004 that they fire him from the sheriff's department now this is a
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guy Caulkins as much as we he's got no friends here in this garage he had a pretty squeaky clean record up to that
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point and I think that's why when they looked at him in the Santos missing person's case and cleared him you're
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going okay that makes sense he's been on the force at this point for 17 years completely clean record he doesn't have
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a History of Violence he doesn't have uh incident reports one after another no this was on paper appears to be a good
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cop for 17 years in fact he has uh awards for saving lives during that time right right we don't have people in the
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community coming out and saying hey we think he donkey balls crazy or there's some reports of him getting
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in bar fights or that he has a short temper or anything or that he's even rough with people that he's
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arrested there's just really no reports of that well and you have an easy route to saying okay well Santos is either
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flying under the radar because he wants to avoid these charges or he went back to Mexico right then we also have the
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added situation later now Calkins has never cleared in Williams case in fact Terence Williams case really stirs
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everything up again as far as the Santos case goes and now he's being looked at for both but in William's case Steve
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Calkins is going to tell us all look I'm innocent of this I didn't do anything to
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either these guys other than give them a ride and both of these dudes have reasons to not surface they both have
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reasons to run and hide Santos may be back to Mexico who knows right Terence Williams remember we mentioned that he
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was from Tennessee moved down to Florida to be close to his mother he is a father
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and he has working two jobs because he's trying to keep up with child support he's the father of four and
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unfortunately for those four children even in 2004 Terence Williams had fallen well behind on that child support in
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fact he was in the rear so much I think it was like five six thousand dollars at
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that point once he goes missing and this could be another kwinky dink but two days later there's a warrant out
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for his arrest because he's got all this back child support that needs to be paid
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so he has he has reasons for ducking the law as well and we don't know if he knew
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that was coming right he would know that he's behind he may not know that they're
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getting ready to file anything on him now that's a long way of saying that I believe that the Collier County
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Sheriff's department has done their due diligence in looking at one of their own
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they let him go he was fired from the Department they did some other sneaky things that I really like here Captain
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you know how sneaky we like to be right they put a GPS tracking device on his patrol car oh that's a good start
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unbeknownst to officer Calkins yeah hold on there should be GPS on all their cars
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because let's say there was right you're signing up to Serve and Protect you take
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these individuals to quote unquote a Circle K the GPS proves it so why wouldn't you want one on your car just
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the same reason why we should have body cameras on every police officer it backs
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up whatever story that you have correct but you're also stating that 17 years right right after the fact technology
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wasn't what it is today back then so but they had GPS back then but they didn't on their vehicles and so they put this
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just like if if they were surveilling you for involvement in something or if they
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thought you were involved in something they can they will sneak and put all right we got a search warrant for your
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truck well let's put this little device on his truck and be able to monitor where he's going why do they want to do
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that with Calkins one probably just for the fact that you're worried he might do
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something else well I was just going to say that you know I was a suspect in the
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floppy dong murders but two you want to know if he did do something terrible if he did off one or both of
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these missing individuals yeah and place them somewhere well can we get on record
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him going off to some remote location we know how these guys like to return to the scene or check on what they left or
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what they hid that never happened they put the device on his patrol car um I'm wonder I I don't know for certain
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if they were able to do this with his civilian vehicle as well but they never had him going off into some strange
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location or some wooded area or remote area where they would be able to find the remains of either one of these
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individuals yeah looking at this case early on I I wondered if this officer had any kind of
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like fishing Hobbies or hunting hobbies that maybe he would have locations that he could dispose of bodies so I saw a
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news report and it was very it was a little Troublesome but I I don't know I don't have enough information for it
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to totally weird me out but in 2012 law enforcement was searching this wooded area near that Wiggins Pass road which
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would not be terribly far from where he says that he dropped off Terence Williams at the the Circle K
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and the lead-in for the story that they're telling on the news is that law enforcement searching this area because
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it was a known their words a known hangout of Officer Calkins it seemed like a bizarre
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now I don't know what's going on in that area right like you said maybe maybe this is a fishing hole or maybe there's
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reason for him to have hung out in that area they didn't go into any but it looked like an area that nobody goes to
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right which is bizarre now yeah but sometimes with these Patrol officers they have these little spots that they
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go to to you know do paperwork or or whatever it is when I worked at a studio we were kind of in the middle of nowhere
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and we had a very long drive uh driveway and constantly Sheriff Patrol officers were back in
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that drive filling out paperwork or maybe taking their lunch break or whatever yes I know that spot that's a
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nice peaceful spot and I know of bars that I've worked at in the past where we would tell officers if you need
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somewhere to park to to do your paperwork or what have you feel free to park behind the bar any hour you know
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law enforcement presence here is not a bad thing yeah the only bad thing is when a week later the son of a [ __ ]
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catches you for speeding and you're like hey buddy we give you a place to park all the time you can't let me go thought
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we were friends but I thought we thought we were friends I thought we're cool we
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used to get free coffee to all the officers at the gas station too that it's nice to have them coming in and out
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yeah okay so Captain what we have here is let's go down this road of the investigation the the Collier County
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Sheriff's Office did on one of their own and we have some audio clips that we will get to but one of these clips
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actually all these clips are very important but the the first one that I'd like to talk about is we have dispatch
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calling officer Calkins at his home he's at home on his day off they're calling him just days after Terence Williams was
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last seen days after this incident where he encounters Terence Williams says he takes him to a Circle K gas station and
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then later tows this 1984 white Cadillac when he's called at home by Dispatch he's he can't remember anything
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he can't remember anything at all dispatch is calling his house because William's mother has tracked down
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remember she located the vehicle figured out that Culkin's name was on the tow bill and now she's on the phone with the
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Collier County Sheriff's Office wanting to know what their interaction was with her son and where her son may be right
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and was he charged with anything so dispatch is going hey hey dick clown what happened
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yes and no he's a little nutty but he's here hold on [Applause] remember it no do you remember he said it was near the
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cemetery are telling her you put somebody in the back of your vehicle and arrested them
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and I don't show you arresting anybody vehicle from 12 30 in the afternoon [Laughter]
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since Monday and I said we didn't ask anybody you know she keeps calling and well it's got to
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be somewhere you can get a hold of him [Applause] that's trying to figure out what color
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the Cadillac was okay [Applause] okay I would think it would have something in your screen because
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anybody's in jail no I ain't arrested nobody all right okay that's okay [Laughter]
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[Applause] [Laughter] thank you hello hi this is assistant um [Applause] located there when he had that vehicle
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towed okay we knew that he didn't pick him up but someone picking up the people at the
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cemetery said that they saw a police officer in a Collier County Sheriff's Department car include him in the car
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and take him away okay if it was an officer out there there's over 900 officers here we'd have to have a car
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number to know who it was there's no way I could find out if you couldn't even do it by uh yeah
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[Laughter] that's what I'm telling you there is no report taken from that area on Monday no
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one picked him up so whoever is telling you this is either giving you wrong information or it's not the same person
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okay thanks you're welcome [Applause] one thing that stands out on that call from dispatch to Steve Calkins at his
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home immediately is he doesn't really answer any of the questions this is what I want people to focus on
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when they're thinking about that call every question that he's asked did you arrest someone do you remember a
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Cadillac do you remember this going on just a few days ago to each question he says no he's not saying no I mean at
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some point yes he does outwardly say no I didn't arrest anyone but in most of those instances he's not saying no
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as his answer he's saying no almost as he doesn't recall right he doesn't remember and this is very interesting to
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me because this is either one of two avenues that I think you could go with your suspicions about Caulkins
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either a he's just like a dumb child you know how like a child when you ask them hey
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you did this this is terrible what why did you hit your sister why did you throw this toy did you did you say this
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curse word at school yeah why did you scratch her butt and sniff it well a lot of times a child when accused of
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something that they did their defense mechanism will click in sometimes that it's just oh I don't remember right uh
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uh what no I don't remember I remember anything or you go down the other Avenue and this is very strategic of Mr culkins
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and he can say oh I was put on the spot so I just claim not to remember anything
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and then when when it's brought up again then I will provide some information but
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I'm claiming at this point not to remember anything so I'm not locking myself into anything specific right and
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he he actually set himself up for this on the dispatch call probably knowing that
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it was being recorded I'll have to look into my notes yes yeah I'll have to look
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into my notes and then I'll be able to remember I think you would remember going up to somebody in the
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in the graveyard right yeah so I have I have several problems with him not remembering but where one I
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go either okay he's deceptive he's a bad officer and a bad person and he's lying
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to us or let's let's give him the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't remember he's probably just a bad
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officer you have to have to have some kind of memory when you're in that line of work and other lines of work as well
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but you can remember that he hasn't arrested somebody in a long time in a long time but I think you're right
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Captain here here's what we have the dispatcher is providing him with pretty detailed information hey at this time
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you called in a tow for a 84 white Cadillac now I've seen pictures of this 84 white Cadillac this is 2004. this is
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not a vehicle that he's going to encounter every day right this is a unique vehicle and it's one of those big
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boat standout Cadillacs ones that you you would notice this vehicle in a parking lot full of other vehicles it
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would stand out and then you are very very astute my friend because you you said the cemetery how could you not
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remember four days earlier this big giant whale of a white Cadillac and a cemetery and here's how I think
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you know he's lying is because the story then becomes oh yeah I took that individual for a seven
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minute ride to drop him off at work so you don't remember the unique car in the unique location with the man that
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you spent at least seven minutes driving to drop him off at work that you then eventually called and found out he was
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lying and we know that you were there because of the paperwork because you had the car towed take it a step further
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I would guess that he is not in the business of doing favors for civilians on The Daily right he his own words says
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I did the guy a favor I took him for a ride I I dropped him off at this location oh and then later I figured out
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that he deceived me I checked the paperwork in the glove box it was not there like he told me
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so how I I just find it incredibly hard to believe that this officer fails to remember this big giant white unique
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Cadillac his interaction with this young man in the cemetery and that oh I did the guy a favor let
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him off the hook and then he lied to me and that's why I had the vehicle towed and it's just a couple days later I it
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seems bizarre to me and incredibly hard to believe that he wouldn't remember this so what I think he's being
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nefarious and the reason why is he know and pause and then when when you're not able to pause because the person's not
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giving you any information back what does he do I just I I don't remember well at least he's smart enough to
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inquire what this is about you know he's trying to get to the bottom of well why
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is the dispatcher calling me oh there there's this lady that's been calling us all day because her son is missing and
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right but here at the cemetery saying that they saw an officer put him in the back of a patrol car another reason why
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I believe he's lying is you don't remember anything and now you're going well why are they
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calling because you want to know well what do they know foreign [Music] we're back you crazy animals
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cheers to you cheers to your family cheers to all your loved ones We're All in This Together getting crazy
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with the animals is that what you said all right all right we have another clip that I want to play for you here and
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this one the audio is a little more difficult than the last clip but this clip is extremely important so I want
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you to pay close attention to what is going on and then we'll review it afterwards
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give me 30 sir ens all right thank you anyway [Music] foreign [Applause] Southeast
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[Applause] [Music] [Music] um yes foreign oh yeah yes you know ladies out there yeah
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[Laughter] well I barely can understand half of that so he's definitely calling in a VIN
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number and then they're they're making some jokes but I can't really make out what
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what they're saying okay so there's I mean he's being a complete jackass on half of the the call he's goofing around
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and whomever he's calling this into is goofing around with him as well later Steve Calkins will say the guy that he
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was phoning this into for the VIN check is a friend of his and they're they're goofing around
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um look this happens at work people act in a manner that's less than professional when they're interacting
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with somebody they might be quote unquote buddies with at work I do believe that police officers should
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be professional and this is uh the the only the only thing that I can think of when I hear how Calkins is acting during
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this call is that he's probably got a little uh racist bone in them somewhere and
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he's multiple bones well he's he's an asshat is what he is to put it plain and simple prick dumpster yeah but so he's
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calling in the VIN number now let's go back to what he has told us is going on in the incident report
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that he dropped off Williams returned to the vehicle only to discover that the information that he was looking for that
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he was told by Williams that he would find inside the vehicle is not there now he believes that he's been deceived and
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that the vehicle may possibly be stolen so that is why he's calling in the VIN number you can hear Dave his buddy Dave
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who's on the other end is saying all good racist Dave let's see what we come up with you know we're going to run this
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number let's see what we come up with maybe it's been reported stolen somewhere it doesn't come up with any
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stolen report but if we're going to overlap this call with the information he provides Us in
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the incident report that's where we're at in his timeline he's dropped off Williams he's returned to the vehicle
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and now he's calling in the VIN to discover if it has in fact been stolen or not and you notice he doesn't tell
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his buddy oh by the way I just took this guy to work and now no he says no one's
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around he says that the the vehicle appears to be abandoned to which Dave responds all good you know let's see
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what we come up with here there's one little thing that's very interesting at the end of that call and you may not
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have picked up on it because it is hard to hear he says to Dave oh good the tow company
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is already here that's interesting that and that's very important to this story and you'll see
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why after we play this next clip because [Applause] [Music] [Applause] okay [Applause]
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[Music] now you're probably thinking what the heck are they making me listen to that
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is very hard to hear but we wanted to play the evidence that they put out on their website Colonel how about you
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break down what we should be hearing on that audio clip well I'm gonna tell you why this is proof positive that we
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should all be very suspicious of Officer Calkins and it's this is going to underline and put the underline it 10
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times everything that we've already been telling we've said questionable Behavior
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we've discussed questionable Behavior this is evidence of such this is why I believe they fired him and why I believe
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that they've publicly stated he's a person of interest in these two missing persons cases so the order that we
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played those calls in is not as important as the order that they were actually placed in we played
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them in the exact order that they were placed in right okay why is that important
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so what did we did we cover so far in the first call he's calling in the VIN he wants to figure out if this car is in
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fact stolen he says at the end of that first call oh the tow companies already here
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think about that for a second he's already called the tow company and put in the order for the tow before he's
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figured out if the vehicle has been stolen or abandoned in his incident report he states that thinking that he
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it might have been stolen or abandoned he called it in and then had it towed no he had it towed first and then called it
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in okay the tow company is already here then later after the tow company is there and picks
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up the vehicle this by his own words in these recordings now he's calling in for a background
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check on an individual who is that individual Terence D Williams that's what his words are on this call calling
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in Terence he spells the name Terence he says D for the middle name terence's middle name is Dion
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Williams Traditional spelling is what he says this is important for several reasons first his own reports and what
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he will tell officers and investigators from that point on is I only knew his first name he told me
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his name was Terence I gave him a ride I did him a favor well we know that's not
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true because you're calling in Terence D Williams right but is but is there any information in
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the car that would lead him to that information to to have his full name well that is this is the icing on the
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cake this is why you have to say to yourself he had to have been in the presence of
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Terence Williams longer than he has told us and how do we know that to be absolutely
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true when he has to give a birth date for this person that he's calling in the birth date that he gives is 4 1 1975.
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April 1st 1975. that is not Terence Williams's birthday Terence Williams birthday is January 17
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1976. his family has come forward and said you know what when he was in trouble with the law in the past he
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would give a fake birthday when asked to identify himself fake birth date that he would give would
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be April 1st 1975. April fools so what I'm pointing out here is there is no driver's license or state identification
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card that will state that Terence Williams was born on April 1st 1975. this is not information he could have
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got from anywhere other than from Terence Williams mouth right now why is this important the
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order of these calls at the end of the first call he says the tow company is already here and then later calls back
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in to get a background check on Terence D Williams they also stated that there's
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nobody with the car there's no one around and his incident report says that by this point he's already dropped off
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Williams at the Circle K returned to the vehicle we know this to be true as well
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because or portions of this to be true as well because we have the employees at the cemetery who State he put Williams
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in the back of the vehicle drove off and then sometime between 15 minutes and one
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hour later he returned moved the Cadillac a bit of a distance and then they showed up and towed the vehicle
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away right think about this for a second a lot of people have pointed out that we
00:42:01
have a situation where this officer did not have enough time to go off and murder someone and
00:42:09
hide the body so well that nobody would ever find it 17 years later two idiots are in a garage somewhere and in Ohio
00:42:16
talking about this case they said that that couldn't be done what I'm pointing out here is is there a chance given this
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evidence that he took Terence somewhere and then returned to Terence after the vehicle was towed right how did he get
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this information he's providing information that could have only have come from Terence himself and this is
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after the fact that he says that he saw Terence this is after the fact of him having the vehicle towed away there's
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something very fishy about this and I'm telling you the sheriff's department know it to be true as well they took
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this information and used this information to fire this officer they said to him what you are telling us
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makes no sense we know that you needed to be in the presence of Terence at the time of this call
00:43:08
or shortly before this call and this is after the time that you said you were done with him for the entirety of the
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day they are on record telling this man you are one of our own we are not coming
00:43:21
after you we are looking to clear you but your own statements will not allow us to clear you right but on top of that
00:43:29
if you base off the eyewitness's testimony they're saying at some point he put Terrence in the
00:43:37
back of his police car well let's say he's in the back of the police car then he's calling about this VIN number he is
00:43:43
lying to his fellow officers about any contact with Terence correct the night that he had contact with Terence correct
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it's bizarre and you have to wonder okay let's go off of his information in his incident report he says that after
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returning to the vehicle not finding the information he was told would be in the
00:44:07
vehicle he felt that he was deceived and that the vehicle may have been stolen okay well we know that he has it towed
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he calls in the toe we hear him at the end of that call saying oh the tow company's already here right is there a
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chance that he drives back to the Circle K where he did let's say he did drop Terence off at the Circle K he finds
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Terence there or maybe as the clerk says she saw Terence filling up a gas tank a gas can and then
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walking away was he so pissed off that he drove around looking for Terence Williams
00:44:43
after the vehicle was towed away and then picked them up later and did something terrible yes I I don't really
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understand the you know the motive is he just This Racist murderous dick well that's the
00:44:59
thing a lot of people look at this case and they jump the gun a bit and they say
00:45:02
all right well this is a cop who turned into a serial killer or this is a serial
00:45:07
killer cop who who knows I mean he's not offering up any information in the information that he has provided is
00:45:15
false it's not correct so then you have to go okay well if he's lying about this
00:45:20
and we know he is lying about this that may not be anything illegal within the confines of of what we know him to be
00:45:29
lying about but then you go well if he's lying about this what else is he lying about
00:45:34
what other things is is he conveniently leaving out and not remembering he must be lying about this he refuses to admit
00:45:43
that he saw Terence at any point after dropping him off at the Circle K we know he's lying about that why why is
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that so important for him that all of us believe that he never saw Terrence after
00:45:57
that and I think it's because he did something illegal he did something very wrong now what what level of of uh crime
00:46:06
is that we don't know it could be as simple as one of the big theories in this case is a Starlight tour and what
00:46:15
is a Starlight tour that phrase was named made famous because of cases up in uh Canada where officers would pick up
00:46:25
people for very minor infractions these are probably repeat offenders minor infractions they're fed up with having
00:46:33
to deal with these individuals they're not going to be punished by the law because they are minor infractions so
00:46:40
what these officers were doing is they would drive the individual out in the middle of nowhere force them to get out
00:46:46
of the vehicle and just leave them there right you got to find your own way home
00:46:50
buddy all all you're you're drunk again in public or you're you're in a bar fight again I've picked you up this is
00:46:57
the second time I've picked you up this week you're a nuisance yeah but this is a strange thing to do in the middle of
00:47:02
the day it's a very strange thing to do in the middle of the day and that's the other thing you know people jump the gun
00:47:07
I I say jump the gun because people say well this guy's up very obviously a serial killer I don't know that we can
00:47:13
say that because I do not see premeditated murder in either one of these situations why
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because look the guy's been on the force for 17 years he's while I find him to be
00:47:23
a complete asshat it means he's not dumb enough to go oh I've had all these Witnesses and I'm just going to I'm just
00:47:30
going to murder this guy and he never surfaces ever again why not if if this if that were his Mo to kill just to kill
00:47:39
to kill to um on some kind of mission he would pick situations where there are no Witnesses
00:47:47
I guarantee you that that and that's that's a what's a little bit scary here Captain is that you have to wonder when
00:47:53
when people go missing and there's no and there are these Witnesses what has happened with this officer when there's
00:48:00
no one around when there's it's the middle of the night um yeah but people of power can form a
00:48:07
sense of arrogance and a sense of righteousness where it doesn't matter what you see I am the law right right
00:48:17
now I I think that if this were a situation where he murdered either of these individuals
00:48:24
that it was reactionary it wasn't premeditated it was something along the way happened and he reacted
00:48:32
to a situation I I can see where you're coming from but I I don't think that you can rule out the
00:48:40
possibility of premeditation as far as like I have this person now in my custody and
00:48:48
now I'm going to figure out what to do with them right I'm just saying I don't see a situation it doesn't make any
00:48:54
sense to me a situation where he's waking up that morning going oh if I pull somebody over I'm I'm gonna kill
00:49:00
him and leave them out in the middle of nowhere especially when we have all I mean we have we have multiple
00:49:05
eyewitnesses at both of these situations so much so that at the cemetery he spoke Culkin spoke with the
00:49:15
cemetery workers it's not like they happen to see him from afar he talked to them that night he's I'm sorry that day
00:49:22
right but we're com we're in complete agreeance that he is he's completely full of [ __ ] I mean
00:49:31
he did something to Terence Williams right a couple days later oh I don't remember this unique car and this unique
00:49:38
location where I talked to people that worked there at the unique location and I moved the car yeah I absolutely
00:49:47
believe he did something to Terence Williams and I base that off of the evidence that
00:49:52
we've just provided today the Sheriff's Department's belief that he was had interaction with Terence Williams after
00:50:00
he says that he did the thing here again I'm going to you know when you compare a serial killer to
00:50:07
someone who kills to cover something up that's two completely different monsters
00:50:13
and I think that there there could be a situation here where this is reactionary
00:50:17
maybe Terence did something that pissed this officer off and he he struck him or
00:50:23
he he brutally attacked him and then decided oh I gotta I gotta cover this up I gotta silence this guy forever
00:50:30
I think there that we're we have a good amount of evidence here that that he very well could have drove around and
00:50:39
looked for Williams if in fact he did drop him off at the Circle K that day I say that I feel strong more strongly
00:50:47
about Terence Williams case than I do Santos's case because there is some indication that Santos could have fled
00:50:57
the country altogether and it's just a coincidence that these two are linked in that manner I did find statements by
00:51:05
close relatives of his that say that he was considering moving back to Mexico before any of this took place I'm not
00:51:14
ruling out the possibility that that Calkins did something to Santos as well I'm just saying there's a there's a
00:51:20
little more question of what if in that case yeah I think there's more evidence and more eyewitnesses obviously in the
00:51:29
Williams case but again kudos to the Collier County Sheriff's Department for or look they didn't turn and look the
00:51:37
other way they went head on into this thing when presented with hey there's a problem we need you to look into this
00:51:43
they did fully look into one of their own they fired this man they have also provided the public with a good amount
00:51:50
of resources and information on this case you can find what we covered here today as well as more information on
00:51:58
their website the Collier County Sheriff's office website this case really blew up in 2012 and that was when
00:52:08
Al Sharpton and then Tyler Perry Tyler Perry got involved in this case Tyler Perry has offered up a bunch of his own
00:52:18
money for information in either one of these cases it's in fact it's up to two hundred thousand dollar reward for
00:52:25
information in either of these cases well this is not a hugely popular case this is a
00:52:32
great case to Spotlight this is a great case to share and get the public behind and put a little more pressure on
00:52:39
individuals and maybe we'll get some answers for their families that's right and again if anyone has any information
00:52:47
in either of these cases or information about Officer Steve Calkins please call Crime Stoppers again that number is
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