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[music] [music] [music] All right. Cheers. >> Killer beans, man. >> Killer beans.
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>> Nice beans. had a little hate mail. It wasn't like hate hate mail. I don't know. I don't
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want to talk about it too much, but it was u I said something and then and then I got a comment basically
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saying I was an idiot and my sources were wrong and all this stuff. It was um um Brian Schaefer's brother's wife.
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So, she was trying to correct me. I think it wasn't that I misspoke. I think I wasn't
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as clear. But basically, what this source was saying was you have a situation like in the Brian Schaefer
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case that they have all these leads, right? He went off and started a new life. Uh, you know, there was, you know,
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some speculation on his uh sexuality, right? Uh, but there was this and so when I was talking to the source, they
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were saying how they really had to follow this lead for a while on that he might have went and started a new life
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as a woman. And I thought, well, that's a pretty seems like a far-fetched theory.
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>> Mhm. >> But what he was saying was, you know, you get these leads, you have to follow
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them. if the breadcrumb trail starts showing you that a percentage of this rumor or
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theory possibly could be true. >> Mhm. But at the end of the day, the source reminded me that just because
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maybe parts of the rumor seem true or you can connect some dots, at the end of the day, they have no evidence to prove
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the theory correct because obviously they would have found him and and that also
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they have no proof that he left the bar that night, >> right? But it was it was connected to a
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comment that I was hearing um multiple times about the Tyler Davis case and that possibly
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there was these rumors that Tyler was bisexual and and again this source was saying that they followed these leads.
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There's a percentage of truth to this. But does this have anything to do with his disappearance?
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Probably not. Mhm. >> But it's just the idea that that police officers, private detectives, a lot of
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people get these crazy rumors that they have to follow and there might be percentages of what
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the rumor mill is going around about that that are true. >> Right. Right. And sometimes it's just
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bad leads or bad tips that come in. >> Yeah. and she was a little upset just saying that,
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you know, you're putting out this information that doesn't help. And what I was saying is that this is a lead that
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they followed that they got stopped with. They can't prove it to be true or false. And and I but I didn't want to
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make it seem like I was putting out this theory that I believe in. You know, this
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is a theory that the source, like I said, they they followed they had to go down that rabbit hole and followed as
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far as they could. >> Mhm. So, I I understood and and she was, like I said, very respectful and um I'm
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her I'm sure that she heard some outlandish claim and and figured that she would give me her two cents, you
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know. >> Well, and that's the that's the weight of each situation that law enforcement has to sit down and
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really strategize and come up with a with a real game plan on in a lot of these cases. I mean, when we talk so much
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about Deli and Amy Mahalavik, these are two examples where releasing something of evidentiary value that you have,
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releasing that to the public, you have to go into that going, "Okay, well, we're probably going to receive an
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overwhelming number of bad tips of things that really don't have anything to do with the case." It's people with
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good intentions for the most part, I I would guess. Um, you do get some crazies that come out and and come up with some
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weird things or even false confessions, false statements, things like that. But >> that's that's the meetings that take
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place behind closed doors when they go, "Okay, we have this composite sketch. We
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have this composite drawing. Do we release it to the public?" When what we're seeking is one really good tip,
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one really good piece of information that leads us to the killer, right? What we're going to get on top of that, and
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that's even if we do get that one good tip that we want, >> piles of [ __ ] >> we're going to get all kinds of stuff
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that is again for the most part people with good intentions, people trying to help, but now you're involving the
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masses and now you're involving a situation where if you, you know, they talk so much about the the trail going
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cold in and the first 48, the first 72, all that jazz and It's the further you get away from the actual crime, the the
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harder it gets to to solve the crime. And so you run the risk of really bogging down your investigators and your
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whole task force and the whole team involved in in something where they're chasing ghost, they're chasing bad
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leads, they're chasing terrible tips. And it's it's it's a weird situation because
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you have to weigh the risk because without releasing that information, you go, well, maybe if we don't we
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understand all the bad that could come of this, but if we don't release it, what if we never ever get that that that
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bit that we need that the information that we need? Well, but this source was also saying like one, they they don't
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put out some of these claims, but sometimes they're they're handed uh a rumor or a lead that they can confirm A,
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B, C, and D. >> So, everything that they were able to get to the end of that lead,
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>> they've been able to confirm. But that doesn't again mean uh that is correct. That might just be
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where the lead stops. Does that make any sense? Um, >> yes. >> So, like, you know, [laughter] so
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somebody goes, >> "Sorry, I was I was reading and thinking of I got like three things in my head
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right now and I'm trying to decide if it makes sense." >> Sounded like it made sense in my head,
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but it's, you know, the idea that you go, "Okay, somebody goes, "Well, possibly Brian ran away." Okay, that's a
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possibility. Okay, do we have any evidence to back this up? Oh, we have some sightings. Okay, we
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have some sightings. Okay, we have some rumors that he wanted to possibly live a
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life as as a female. Can we back up those rumors? Can we get anybody else to say that might be a possibility? Right.
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>> Mhm. Um, but he was, you know, basically what they're saying is like, but sometimes when you're
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when you get these leads or these rumors, you kind of think that they're very um outlandous and and so you have
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to go back and and you have to you have to do your work. You can't just dismiss something before you actually do
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the work. Uh but but they were also saying that some of these people get caught up on a lead that kind of just
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stops >> and they can't confirm it anymore or any less. And he said there there's a lot of
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times that private investigators, other investigators will get hung up on that. Well, look, I followed this lead and I
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got A, B, C, D, and E, and F to line up, >> right? >> So therefore, it's correct. Well, you
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haven't found Brian. you haven't confirmed any of this stuff. So, uh, but but I understand her concern that it's,
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uh, irresponsible to put that stuff out there and and I do agree with her 100% on that. I, like I said, I'm being very
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clear that there's sometimes leads that they're able to connect the dots, they're just not able to confirm. Um,
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I personally think in a lot of these cases as the years go on that you have to put out more of
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these theories and keep people talking. Uh, I don't know. I have no evidence that it helps the
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case because you have cases like, you know, look at Mara Murray. There's tons of stuff that has come out about her,
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about her family, about the that case that doesn't seem like it's helping the case at all.
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>> Right. >> But now, if you get a case solved, again, even if you find out where she
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was, I don't know if that proves that all the speculation and all the rumor mills actually were effective.
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Yeah, it's I mean it's tough because if if people quit talking, if people quit discussing it and quit reviewing these
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cases, they go away. They disappear, you know. >> Yeah. And I think it was I don't know if
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she was trying to jab at me or not, but she was kind of saying I think she thought I was implying that I didn't
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think her brother cared too much. Um I I don't believe that at all there. You know, this is an experience I would have
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no clue. Um, I can't relate to him on, so I'm not going to pretend to. Um, I think maybe I would be more vocal, but I
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also just more talkative. U, but when people say to me, well, he's willing to talk to
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people and he's answered questions, but answering the same questions that he answered 10 years ago doesn't help
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anything. And it's like, well, you don't know what's going to help anything. And
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also I don't like the idea that well he talks to people who matter like law enforcement and and whoever.
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That's I don't agree with that because I do think there I'm not saying that you have to do an
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interview every year. I don't think you have to go on every podcast. I don't think you have to go on every TV show. I
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don't think that. But I do think from time to time when there is little to no movement on the case, maybe that's a
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time to reach out to the people that have an audience to get more people talking about it.
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>> Um, yeah. I mean, I don't I don't know. I I I don't I I agree actually with with
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uh Brian's brother a little bit. I I mean I see what he's saying about I I'll talk to law enforcement anytime. I have
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heard statements released to the public from him and his family that say that he
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will talk to people. Um but it but it will be off mic off camera. So um no I'm not saying that he has to but I I think
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the statement of we'll talk to people that matter quote unquote. It's like getting getting hundreds of uh thousands
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of people to listen and and talk about a case, I think, is very important to keep
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it um not only to keep people talking about it and possibly generating new leads, but
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also reminding the the detectives and the investigators that that people still care and people still want to know. I
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think it's important. >> Yeah. I again though, we we've not walked in his shoes. We don't know his
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experiences. And I mean, I'm guessing he's probably been burned a hundred times over by people that don't matter.
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And that's probably where that that kind of vague blanketed statement comes from,
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>> right? And he's got time to figure out who matters. Well, not only that, he's
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he's probably been asked by a bazillion people to talk about it. And I mean, that's just a weird situation.
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It It really is. It's a weird situation to be in and then to There's no handbook
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on how to conduct yourself and what is the right way and or what is going to be best for your brother's case.
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>> Yeah. Um, and and keep in mind too when when Brian first went missing in the the
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first few years of this case, it was Brian's father that that took on the role of the the point person for any of
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this type of stuff, right? >> And was the public face and was the the public voice for his son. And
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not everybody is able to do that. Not everybody wants to do that. And I mean to each is their own. It's it's
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uh >> the only reason why I think it would be important for him to talk with somebody and obviously he
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would have to establish a certain kind of relationship with the the individual is we've talked about this case a lot
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before. It's it's the narrative of things. uh you know, the narrative of of what the cops were putting out
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initially, what the narrative was of his of you, Brian's father putting out there
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initially. Uh, and as time has gone by and as we've found certain things to be false in those narratives, um, I'd be
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very curious what the brother knows now, you know, and and after hearing I mean,
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I'm sure they hear a lot of these shows cover this case, but but by listening to any of these
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cases, are they screaming at at their phones saying this information is not correct.
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Um, and so that that that becomes a bad thing if you have a hundred thousand, you know, hundreds of
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thousands of people listening to a case and speculating on information that's not correct.
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So, if there's a bunch of information that's not correct out there or information
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that you could clear up, um, you know, I maybe that's important to do. I I know that
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the lead investigator for a while, uh, Hurst, tried to do some of that, tried to I mean, obviously, it's ongoing
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investigation, so there's certain things that they can't, um, reveal to the public, but maybe you can clean some of
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it up for us. >> Mhm. And I just think that possibly could help because then if the if the
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narrative is actually correct, then maybe that generates, you know, a lead that they didn't have back in the day
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because the narrative was wrong. >> Well, I I mean, again, I I think he has, you know, I shouldn't say I think. I
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know he has answered questions in the past, and I don't I don't know what more we could ask of of him.
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>> Well, right. And that's what I'm saying is I I don't know what's what information they've heard and what
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information they know to be facts that that would contradict them. But I also get the idea too that you want to you
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got he has a life, he has a family, he has to, you know, continue living and and moving past some of this stuff. Um
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>> well, and he has a heart too. And and that's that is the the statement he has
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stated regarding not wanting to do an interview on camera or on mic is that he he can't emotionally he does not
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believe that he emotionally can get through that in person. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he's done some.
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>> So if if you want to like send send questions to him, he will he'll he'll, >> you know, reply and entertain that the
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idea of answering those questions, but it may be in the form of an email or >> or some some other, you know, thing. So
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it's >> Yeah, but I didn't want to get that twisted to to say what I think I would
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do is not what I'm saying that I I I'm saying all I can say is that's what I think I would do or what I would think I
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would like him to do. That is in no way, shape or form trying to say that that he
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doesn't care. >> Oh yeah. No, no, I get that. I get that. And sometimes it, you know, it just
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comes off. Sometimes I can say something that comes off a certain way and it's just like these leads, these leads are,
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you know, they're coming from a credible source, but these leads didn't go anywhere. And let's just be clear about
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that. And that happens with a lot of cases. with the Tyler Davis case. Um, you know,
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perfect example with the Tyler Davis case, he's come he comes from a very small town and there was these rumors that
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there would have parties and that sometimes there would be drugs at the parties. So then it became Did Tyler
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know any of these like local kind of drug dealers? Yes, he did. He had a couple of them
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their connections in his phone. But there's a lot of people around Tyler's age, you know, uh, you know,
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five years above, five years below that have contacts with these individuals and
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are not considered to be drug users. Isn't that pretty clear? >> Yeah. So he he might have invited these
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guys to parties, maybe called them for a friend if they're having a party, but not necessarily
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having great contacts or great relationship with with these individuals they think
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are selling drugs. >> Mhm. But when you do have that connection, then you got to go,
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well, how connected to these individuals are? Are is Tyler? Does he owe anybody money? Is there
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anybody out there that could possibly want him dead? Right? So, you find this connection and then
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you have to keep, you know, like I said, you got to keep backtracking and then you kind of come to the point that one,
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he doesn't owe anybody any money. He doesn't seem like he has any kind of habit. There's no reason, there's no
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rumors of uh him having any um conflict between any of these individuals. And on
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top of that, there's probably no way of these individuals actually knowing where he
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was that night. >> That's the big problem. >> And not just that night, but where he
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was at. Maybe they could find out, hey, they went up to uh Hilton East. >> Okay.
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But to to know when they're going to come back to the hotel, >> right? We're talking about a small
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window of time between when when he is essentially unaccounted for where >> Yeah.
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>> where if if we do in fact believe that his intention was to walk back to the hotel as we are told per
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>> um shoot her name escapes me at the moment >> Britney. >> Britney sorry. Um, but yeah, as we're
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told by Britney, he he she says his intention, he tells her, "I'm returning to the hotel."
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If in fact that's what he was doing, then we are talking about a small window of time that something took place that
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stopped him from walking back going back to the hotel. And that would be a I mean
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that's it's not impossible, but it's it's quite difficult. Well, and the the other um evidence that we have knowing
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that he was trying to get back to the hotel is I actually believe that they have um Tyler's voice uh doing um like a
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[clears throat] Google command, >> right? >> So, like asking Google, how do I get to
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uh you know, like Google directions to the Hilton East? I believe they actually have um
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some uh some kind of record of that. I And which is amazing to me that >> Well, Google's recording that,
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>> right? >> Um but that I mean you just have these phone commands, but I didn't know the
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phone commands were actually recorded or stored somewhere. So, it seems like they
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have that and also the evidence um that they get from that is he sounded a little more intoxicated than than some
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people were trying to say he because what we have is Tyler leaving and walking away and everybody's saying at
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that moment he was a little confused and and a little intoxicated. We later have
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this phone call where we have a, you know, his wife saying he didn't sound that intoxicated.
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And maybe during that conversation, he didn't. But now we have this evidence of this this Google command or this Google
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search or whatever you want to call it that uh you know they're saying he sounded more intoxicated than maybe
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people led on to believe in the first initial conversation. Yeah. Yeah. So that that would that would be
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almost like a second witness stating that he is his intentions were to return to the hotel which is weird. I mean
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that's that's the other thing though too. I mean you talk about people not talking about a case
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that's a case that people are still talking about but there there's no movement. There
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doesn't seem to be any updates. There's nothing that has really come out. And and that's one that um you know when I'm
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out out and about and I bump into people that's the that's right now that's the case that most people ask me about
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>> is Tyler Davis. Well >> and part of that is that we're in the greater Columbus area.
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>> Well the update um that I that I do have from detectives on that case is that and
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I thought this was really interesting was they rotate. So, we were we were told before they
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have roughly eight officers or eight missing person unit detectives. >> Yeah. >> Once uh leads start going a little stale
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um and there's not as much movement, they can opt to rotate the case. So, you become secondary on a case. You're not
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so much the lead. the lead then goes back and starts, you know, checking your tees and, you know, crossing your tees
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and dotting your eyes and making sure you looked at every possibility correctly. Um, so what I do know is that
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they were going to start doing uh lie detectors. They're going to give Britney a lie detector and they're going to give
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Tyler's friend a lie detector. I know that the friend has lawyered up. Um, you know, he he's going through some
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tough times. I know he did an interview with somebody recently. Tyler's friend actually did an interview because he's
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been getting so much harassment online and and what I told him on the phone when when I talked to him after the
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interview cuz he he listened to it and and was uh very respectful for to us and very um appreciative that we talked
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about Tyler's case. Um and he was just like, "I'm getting all this, you know, harassment online and I'm afraid I'm
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going to lose my job." And I said, "Look, uh, this is kind of what happens." And
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it's and it's, uh, it's kind of a misfortune, you know, that, um, that people looking up this case.
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They're always going to know the two people that you got. You got the guy that's missing, but you if if they're
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with two individuals, you're going to remember those two individuals name or if they're with one individual. So, it's
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it's a difficult situation that he has to go through. I've tried to tell people, look, try to be respectful and
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polite to this person because this guy's being cooperative with the police. He is
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he's doing everything they asked for and then some. And because of the harassment
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online, now he has lawyered up and he is, you know, he he's still willing to cooperate, but he has a lawyer involved.
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So that makes it more difficult for the investigation to move forward, >> right? But that's also another example
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of where we can see somebody choosing who they are willing to talk to and and not wanting to talk to other people
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regarding a case that they are very much tied to. So, >> yeah. And I feel I feel bad for him
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because one, this is your buddy that went missing. And um and and when law enforcement comes out and says, "Look,
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this guy is not a suspect, the they know how long he was gone with his friend. so to have any time uh
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for him to do anything. Plus, they have evidence that Tyler was still alive after
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him and his friend stopped hanging out that night. They have evidence of Tyler still being
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okay after that. and and no reason, like I said, no reason to believe that Tyler's friend was a suspect being super
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cooperative with the police doing like all the stuff, right? And because of this harassment online and people not
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even thinking about evidence or facts or what the police are saying, now this guy
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shuts down and he could have been again. >> Well, he wasn't I mean, he was only talking to police before.
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>> Uh yeah. No, but he was also I think just take like the interview that we did w
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with Britney. He was pretty vocal to her on, you know, she was trying to get the
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story out because people weren't covering the story. People weren't talking about it. And when she went to
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him and said, "Hey, this this podcast would like to interview me. What do you think?" He said, "Podcasts are great and
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this will get the story out." And that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to
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get people to talk about it, think about it, and hopefully somebody saw something. Um, so I think when you have
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a guy advocating to try to get the the case solved and and bec like I said, because of poor speculation and not
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listening to the evidence and not listening to the police, you're getting somebody that shuts down. And I think
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that's and and he might have shut down talking to Britney, too. You know what I mean? You you get your lawyer up and
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then your lawyer says, "Hey, I don't want you talking to anybody in this case unless it's through me." You know, and
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so we have a situation where we have this young girl's, you know, husband's missing, the father of her child's
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missing, and and you know, those people need support around them and and maybe that gets cut off,
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