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talk some true crime Mary Rachel trulica went by her middle name Rachel she was still in high school but had
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been married to Thomas trelicka for six months her maiden name is Arnold she is Caucasian with brown hair and
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greenish blue eyes she is Left-Handed and has a small scar on her chin on the day in question she had on her
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finger her wedding ring she is Caucasian with brown hair and greenish blue eyes she is Left-Handed
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and has a small scar on her chin on the day in question she had on her finger her wedding ring
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Lisa Renee Wilson also preferred to be called by her middle name she is Caucasian with reddish brown hair and
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brown eyes Renee has a scar on her thigh and on the day in question she was wearing a ring
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with a single Stone Julie Ann Mosley was the smallest of the three at just four foot three inches
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tall she is Caucasian with light brown hair blue eyes and has a small scar under the
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left eye and a scar on the middle of her forehead on December 23rd 1974 these three girls from three different
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families set out on a shopping trip to purchase Christmas gifts for their friends and family
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they piled in the car and drove off the South Fort Worth Texas they were supposed to be home by 4 pm
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but they never returned the Charlie project has classified their disappearance as a non-family abduction
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Rachel was 17 years old when she went missing and Renee was 14 years old Julianne was just nine at the time the
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mystery surrounding their disappearance continues to confound law enforcement officials while it haunts and Tangles
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the lives of all the families involved for some time stopped on that December day for others the tragedy created a
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seed bed of suspicion that now divides it is a constant grieving to this day this case remains a riddle with no
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answers but it does not have to be this is the story of the missing Fort Worth Trio
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[Music] Fort Worth Texas 1974 it's the holiday season on the morning of December 23rd 17 year old
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Rachel Arnold trilica is driving to her friend's grandmother's house the plan is
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to pick up her friend and spend the day doing some almost last minute Christmas shopping
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she arrives greets her longtime friend this is 14 year old Renee Wilson now Renee informs Rachel that they might
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have a tag along going with them for the day little Julie Ann Mosley begged to go
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along the older girl said that she would have to get permission Julianne was only
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nine and on that morning she simply didn't want to spend the day alone with nothing to do so she persuaded her
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mother to let her go with the two older girls Rachel and Renee had been friends for years their families camped and
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fished together but Rachel hadn't known Julian Mosley the little nine-year-old at all now Julianne and her family lived
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across the street from Renee's grandmother's house where Renee stayed when her mother was away at work
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Renee knew all of the Mosley children in fact Renee and Julianne's older brother
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Terry they were a bit of an item that morning Terry surprised Renee with a promise ring now Terry was 15 years old
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with long brown hair and he was asked to go shopping if he wanted to go on the shopping trip but he said no because he
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was planning to go see a friend he already had plans so it would be just the three girls
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going out for the day they needed to be done shopping and back at their houses by 4 pm because Renee and Terry planned
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to go to a Christmas party together that night the girl set out just before noon they
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first stopped at the Army Navy Store this was to retrieve some items I I've seen this reported several ways
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Captain a lot of times it says items uh what I actually think happened here is she had a pair of jeans that she had
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previously purchased or put them on layaway remember layaway do they still do that I don't think so well she wanted
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to pick up this item I believe it was a pair of jeans so then they traveled to Seminary South shopping center uh it
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sounds like this is one of the nicer malls in the area at that time not sure about today but for those of you that
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live in the area I believe them all well I know that the mall is still there I believe it was called the Fort Worth
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Town Center for a time and nowadays it's called Le Grand Plaza when they arrived at the shopping center
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they parked the car on the upper parking level near the Sears store so there's some very interesting
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discussion and speculation that I found regarding this case on Reddit um not a lot of detail and to be honest
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with you Captain some misinformation on there but one of the discussions on there you gotta love Reddit if you're a
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true crime fan you gotta love Reddit well in in I here's here's going to be the the truth for everybody out there
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I'm probably gonna dog Reddit and web sluice a little bit during this week because there's just a lot of bad
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information regarding this particular case other cases there's been a lot of great information on I love both of
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those websites and so it it hurts me it hurts me deep inside to say badly about Reddit and web sluice but I have to in
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this case because people listen to our show and then they go out armchair detective work on their own right and I
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want them to know that that's a bad spot well first of all we should also say that because of Reddit there have been
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leads that have been developed and actually in the Golden State killer case I don't know if it was Reddit but it was
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a forum that somebody gave the name of who they thought was a golden state killer like a year and a half before DNA
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confirmed it so these four forums and these online armchair detectives they are very important yeah you called me
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six months or maybe a year before they solved the um Golden State killer case and you had said hey I've I found this
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on such and such and somebody mentions the name D'Angelo and I was like whoa and then sure enough it turns out to be
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D'Angelo so we'll give them their pat on the back there but the discussion that I
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found on there one that I found fascinating and interesting um was that there was a lot of
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conversation about is there is it weird the big age difference in these three girls we have Rachel who's 17 Renee
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who's 14 and then Julianne who's nine all together and this I thought would be something to get your opinion on do you
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think that this is weird given the age range of the three girls it you know 17 year old and nine-year-old that's the
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big gap I mean if somebody said to me um well I mean just taking like my stepsons
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for example if they said to me we're going to go shopping and we're taking this nine-year-old boy along I'd think
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well that's very nice of you because you probably don't want to be hanging out with a nine-year-old
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yeah in the the speculation that a lot of people were kind of going toward on there was that maybe Rachel the 17 year
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old was up to no good like okay so we know this is a disappearance we know this is a missing person's case so she
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disappears and conveniently goes missing with two younger girls and some people have wondered well was Rachel up to no
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good was she getting these younger girls for somebody else and I think that when
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you dive further into what was actually going on that day you will realize that the nine-year-old was just with them the
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two older girls really didn't want the nine-year-old to go with them in fact what had happened was we mentioned that
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Renee so Renee's the 14 year old her boyfriend's Terry Terry is the little nine-year-old's older brother that's
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Renee's boyfriend she asked she asked Renee you know Renee asked Terry hey you want to go shopping with us he says no I
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already have plans the little girl over here here's this right it says can I please go shopping with you I mean look
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we've all been nine you know when you're nine and ten you see teenagers and you're like oh they're the coolest well
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and it's also different too because if that's her boyfriend's sister she's probably spent time watching her she's
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probably spent time with her right and so hey you want your uh significant others Family to like you so wow you
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know what's the best way to get her on your side take her shopping with you well and Terry commented on this years
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later and he says look the the two older girls didn't want my little sister to go
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with them right but they were too nice to say no so they kind of came up with a plan and the plan was well we won't tell
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her no because we want to be nice but you have to ask your mom for permission and Terry says they did this on purpose
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because my mom always said no to everything they just assumed that the answer would be no right but for
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whatever reason the mother says yes and the mother would later say look I wish I
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if I would have just said no my whole life would have been different and that's something I always look back and
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reflect on and she said but I couldn't say no I knew these two girls as families right you know I knew their
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family so I'm like my my daughter will be safe traveling along with them and also it's your son's girlfriend and
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you've spent time with her and you'd probably know that your daughter kind of looks up to her and again it's funny
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sometimes how people will take something so innocent and maybe meaningless and and speculate on it when it's simply
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these girls were nice and they were doing a nice thing for a younger girl and as far as the 17 and 14 year old go
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they were long time friends they had been friends for a long time that's not that big of a right their families knew
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each other and look when I was 14 15 if somebody an older kid had a car maybe be
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I even if I didn't like them I went along because they had a car but you know so you're a horrible person
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just to just to squash that idea from the get-go okay there's nothing weird about the age difference here the older
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girls really didn't want the nine-year-old tagging along but they were just too nice to say no
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so we do have good reason here Captain we said that they parked the vehicle and the upper level near the Sears store and
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we do have very good reason to believe that the trio made it to the shopping center not just because the car was
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parked there on the upper level but several people would later report having seen the three they're shopping so
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during the shopping portion people that saw the three said nothing appeared out of the ordinary none of the girls seemed
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distraught and some gave a detailed description which I believe solidifies the the sightings the eyewitness
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accounts so regarding the uh we we briefly mentioned a description of each girl but what we
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didn't mention was that Renee Wilson the 14 year old she was wearing red and white sneakers and a pale yellow green
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pale yellow slash green t-shirt with the word sweet honesty printed across the front
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so the interesting thing here honesty a few people specifically that did not know Renee Rachel or Julianne they said
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I know I saw the three girls you're talking about because I saw that sweet honesty shirt I remember the shirt
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so it's so bad well apparently they must have made it back to the car at some point during this trip because uh
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purchases were found locked inside the vehicle so what happened after that is a big mystery so four o'clock came and
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went and so let me just go through this a little slower right so we have uh 17 and a 14 year old they're going to hang
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out they're going to the mall a nine-year-old which is the 17 year old's boyfriend's sister
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decides that she wants to go with them so they say cool right so they go to the mall they Park
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there's multiple entrances at malls but they park at the Sears entrance so we think that they went into the mall going
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into the Sears store they're in the mall for a time period enough where we have eyewitnesses that saw multiple
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eyewitnesses they go back to the car or we think so because there was purchases made
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car in the car but we don't know where they went we don't know where they went and the car is found with the purchases
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inside and locked so the weird thing here though Captain is that do we have a detailed report on what was
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found in the vehicle so from my understanding there was at least one quote-unquote Christmas gift found
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inside the vehicle in the back seat this was a uh Oldsmobile so a car uh in the trunk locked in the trunk was the pair
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of jeans that Rachel had picked up from the Army Navy store so what were they the genes that she was going to return
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or did she actually return the jeans and she got new jeans no no no this was a a
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pickup like so she had either previously purchased these jeans or they were on layaway something like that and she
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picked them up that day before going to the shopping mall okay so we have multiple items inside the vehicle to
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lead us to believe that they possibly made it back to the vehicle at some point um now that's not to say that they
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didn't go out to the vehicle put some items in there and then return to the shopping mall yeah because that's not
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out of the norm sometimes when you're going shopping you get a few items you don't want to carry those around hey
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let's run this back to the car real quick come back in and Shop so there are multiple reports stating
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that the um the report of missing girls happened at four five and then some say six pm and I
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think the reason for the confusion is that the family spent a decent amount of time looking for the kids before they
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actually reported them missing so the way that this goes down and this should have helped the investigation remember
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Renee the 14 year old was planning to attend a Christmas party later that day with her boyfriend Terry so
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she she was adamant that she had to be home by 4 pm and that stuck in her mom's mind and when they didn't return at four
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well the mom calls the other you know homes or have they returned yet no they've not so she takes her son her
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son's like 11 at the time and gets her husband and the three of them go to the shopping mall and they assumed that the
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car probably broke down that they ran into car trouble right so on the way to the mall their eyes peeled looking both
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sides of the road hoping to see this Oldsmobile and they'll get out and help the kids right right because remember
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this is at a time period there's no cell phones so they can't just call right and
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say hey we broke down you'd have to find a pay phone or go to a gas station so they don't see the vehicle on the way to
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the mall and once they get to the mall they drive around for some time still looking for the vehicle now is there any
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web sleuth online that talk about the discrepancy between the the parents age and their son's age and bringing him to
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the mall parents age in the son's age yes no no no no nobody found that to be weird so
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the way that I understand this is is this so they spot the vehicle they find the vehicle
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the Assumption was that the girls would then be they're still inside the mall they go in so the the mother father and
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brother of the middle girl Renee go into the mall and they are telling the store
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clerks at each store hey these three people are missing can you page them so they make an announcement nobody shows
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up they go to the next door they do this until they go through all the stores the
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girls are not at the mall okay and so the father decides hey the father immediately thought something was very
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wrong thought that they may have been abducted that there was Foul Play involved at 6 PM is when they call and
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notify the police now remember they spent some time between four looking for the car and then looking for the girls
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so I don't find anything weird with four to six o'clock I think that's where there's the
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discrepancy in the reports they went missing at four five or six whatever the father
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gets his neighbor to join him the police at first are there's mixed reports on the police the families would
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bring in the Blue Bloods the families would tell you that the police didn't seem to care I think what what we have
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here is this is 1974. they think that they are runaways or they're just out misbehaving they're missed their curfew
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whatever yeah but isn't that kind of a common theme and a lot of these stories if somebody goes missing and they're
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never found the police didn't care that's that that's the normal statement from the family
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um you know I mean where it's like I'm sure there's a lot of cases that somebody goes missing and is never found
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and the police really did care well the police would later State and this is about five years later they would later
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state that they sent a couple of officers to the mall and they did go store to store looking for the girls
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just like the parents had done you know earlier but the father he gets his neighbor and the two of them decide to
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stay on the rooftop of a nearby store that night and watch the car with guns they're they're on top of this
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is like that that zombie movie this is what kind of father you want right they he thinks something went wrong and he
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thinks that he the car was the most troubling thing to this father and so he sat there and he watched it that night
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now nobody ever came back to the car and eventually they would take the car home
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so one thing I always I was pondering while researching this case is why is this case not more well known what I
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mean by that is we have three missing people here uh all of them technically children I know one of them was married
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but she was still only 17. and just about everyone has heard of Mara Murray and Brian Shaffer single missing adults
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but I had not heard of this case not until about six months ago so sometimes I wonder you know why why this case is
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kind of unknown and these other two are so popular and I wonder if is it is it just the age of the case or the time
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period I think that has something to do with it and two uh the the age of the individuals I
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think when you think about the Brian shaver case um there's a lot of males that could
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identify with that case being a college age student going out to a bar for a drink you go missing or even Mara Murray
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case young college girl going through some tough times and decides to go somewhere to take a break
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disappears from the face of the Earth those they're singular but I think people can identify with them more well
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with Maura Murray and Brian Shaffer the other thing you know we had the internet
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when both of those cases took place and we we didn't for this case and I also too think that this could be a case that
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many think is solved you know that the girls came home at some point we experienced that here in Columbus with
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the Brian Shafer case some people just they were aware of it at the time that he went missing and then as years went
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by you would talk to people and they're like yeah they found that guy and he's like no no they did they found no trace
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of him now the other reason like I stated before it's not um more of a well-known case maybe
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because 1974 so of course at first the police said the girls had simply run away and
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we we won't see this type you know knee-jerk reaction by law enforcement change until the early 80s so that's
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going to happen with like Adam Walsh's case yeah so maybe some people heard that the girls or thought that the girls
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ran away took off and came back someday and it's just not that well known okay so we do know that they went shopping
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but these receipts would have some kind of time stamp on them um I don't know that they found receipts
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I I looked and looked for that and there I could find no mention of receipts but
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what time did they head to the mall again they left um Renee's grandmother's house around
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noon okay so they're there for a couple hours we have a bunch of eyewitnesses the weird thing
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to me though is it's like the father had that hunch the car you put things back in the car but if you're just going to
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run away why wouldn't you take your car well that and that's the thing that's what they
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tried to tell the police like okay first of all if we're if we're gonna run away
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and that's the plan why is this nine-year-old with us to begin with okay uh from the outside looking in some
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people could just say well she's collateral damage or she she was tagged along or that was part of the plan all
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along yeah but then the answer is no she was not part of the plan all along she happened to end up with the girls and
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the girls didn't want her there really and then furthermore the parents keep pointing out
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if they were planning to run away why wouldn't they take their car they obviously you need Transportation okay
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let's let's get over that fact and say okay maybe they parted ways with the car well why would they spend their money
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these girls didn't have a lot of money why did they spend their money on purchases that they could have just used
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for their time on the run right and then the question is what purchases did they
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make and were they gifts for somebody else and if they if they bought a gift for their father a gift for their mother
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why would you buy that if you're planning to run away the most specific and detailed report I could find about
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the vehicle was that one of the items found in the back seat of the car was a Christmas gift to somebody that was not
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that is not missing and again then somebody would say well that was to throw them off but again if
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you don't have a lot of money you're not going to come up with a plan to buy a gift and throw them off throw the law
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enforcement off and throw the family off the scent of you running away well and let's talk about the investigation well
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let's let's do that right after this quick beer break [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers
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to you Captain happy birthday to the colonel oh thank you on to the investigation
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it sounds so enthused well as well as some things that were later learned this is a weird case
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um if this case fascinates me I tell you uh we know that several people remember
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seeing them at the mall so there's no question about that now one woman wait hold on we know that they were seen at
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the mall but on top of that don't we have items that they purchase in the mall that's unclear
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that's unclear so the the news articles out there state that a gift was found a Christmas gift was found in the back
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seat of their vehicle other news articles state that uh things the purchases made that day were found in
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the back seat of that car but they don't say that they came from the mall right well what I'm getting at is I
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don't I don't trust these news articles uh a lot of times and so when I'm when I'm trying to be perfectly upfront and
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honest with everybody I want it to be thrown out there that I can't say with 100 certainty that purchases made that
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day in the mall were found in the vehicle what I can say is that the most detailed report says that a gift a
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Christmas gift for another individual that was not that did not go missing was found in that vehicle I don't know if it
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was purchased on that particular trip or if it was already in the vehicle for some reason okay
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um the genes that were picked up from layaway from the Army Navy Store were found in the trunk of the car
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okay but regardless we know that they were at the mall that day okay we have several eyewitnesses who
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saw them and were detailed about what they saw they saw three girls together that age group
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um with matching the description given of the girls and several people specifically saying we saw the sweet
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honesty t-shirt oh sweet honesty now we have one woman who told three different store clerks
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that she saw some men hustling girls and she says the girls which would mean she's indicating these three girls
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specifically into a pickup truck now this story of course is of great interest to the police and they looked
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into this a lot the problem is the woman did not give her name to any of these store clerks the police never spoke to
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this woman directly only to the store clerks and they publicly asked for this woman to come forward she
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never did so this is probably a good lead but it's going to go nowhere okay do we know how
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many boys there were in the pickup truck no the the the the the tip says that she saw some men
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hustling girls into a pickup truck pick up these girls into a pickup truck so I don't know how many that would mean
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other than some men it's more than one um then another witness says that the girls were spotted sitting in a security
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patrol car now in 1981 so years after The Disappearance a man came forward and said that he had been in the parking lot
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that day and he had seen a man forcing a girl into a van the man he questioned the man what was going on and the Man in
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the van told him it was a family dispute and to stay out of it um so okay so we have I mean the
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truck is a little fishy the tough thing about the truck though is this is back in the day when they don't have
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four-door trucks so you know you're going to be riding in the back of that truck
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the girls would be right no not according to the eyewitness account the three girls would have been in the
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pickup truck with uh a man with a man yeah so there's multiple reports about this pickup truck
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okay so one of them states that it just simply says this is this is the the start and end of it I saw the girls
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in a pickup truck that's that's all the information that we have there's another
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witness that states I saw the girls in a pickup truck with a with two other men in the pickup truck as well
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okay first of all we got a 17 year old 14 year old and nine-year-old and and a man and if that's an adult
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male that's going to be a tight squeeze now you throw in another adult male have
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fun with that one you're probably not going to fit so well now you could have the little half seats in the back
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possible toss the nine-year-old in the back maybe the 14 year old and then uh the 17 but they do two guys
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sit up front they did have what we would call refer to as an extended cab trucks
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back then so they weren't called trucks that's what I said you have the little tiny
00:32:02
half seats in the back no we have we have eyes ABS back then with vehicles for like they weren't
00:32:10
called trucks technically called a pickup truck back then and we have this witness stating that it was a pickup
00:32:16
truck so maybe I'm going down the wrong path here but I do know from other cases
00:32:20
that we've covered the in the early 70s there were no I understand that you have
00:32:24
Broncos and stuff like that and it's just like there were vehicles that I would describe as a truck that has a
00:32:30
full cab that has you know multi four doors uh full-size seats throughout uh the front and the back of that cab right
00:32:39
and who knows what she calls a truck and what she calls a pickup truck and we just won't know because she never came
00:32:44
forward so all in all Captain we have about five reports eyewitness reports that we can trace back uh to that day
00:32:54
and then as late as 1981. the interesting thing here is there are some similarities Within These five different
00:33:02
stories there's also some obvious differences we have the mention of the security car the pickup up truck a van
00:33:10
and then we have stories of either multiple men or a single individual male the interesting thing here is
00:33:19
like what you just pointed out these accounts would only end up raising more questions than providing answers to any
00:33:26
of us you know so you have to wonder did the girls leave with someone that they knew did did they split up for some
00:33:34
reason you know did the middle one go off elsewhere and so on and so forth and the other thing you have to wonder
00:33:41
too is if this is an abduction who was the target was it the oldest girl the youngest girl
00:33:50
or just all three in general you know after The Disappearance uh the families worked very hard to try to find
00:33:58
these girls and they they walked creek beds they walked Country Roads looking for their missing uh sisters and
00:34:07
children psychics and pranksters called the houses of all three girls and they called the police department as well the
00:34:15
psychics obviously trying to offer some tips now private investigators were hired and looked into the case
00:34:22
throughout the years the police chased a hundred or more empty leads back to the eyewitness accounts of the
00:34:31
possible abduction so all three what I would say here though what is consistent throughout
00:34:38
most of these eyewitness accounts is I would be I would believe that they're all describing
00:34:46
somewhat of an abduction the problem is only one of them suggests that a girl is being forced to do
00:34:55
something yeah and that that's the one that I want the details of the vehicle more so than the others because I think
00:35:01
you have to think about them who is going to be you have to be pretty damn ballsy
00:35:08
to take the risk of trying to abduct three individuals at a mall right I think just that
00:35:16
just the scenario itself makes people want to lean towards the fact that maybe these girls knew this individual or knew
00:35:23
these individuals or had reason to trust the person for some reason so maybe so but then on the other hand so you have
00:35:31
one side maybe knew them maybe you had some reason to trust them maybe there was some con a I take pictures for teen
00:35:39
magazine you guys should you want to be in teen magazine oh yeah we want to be in teen
00:35:46
magazine all right jump in my truck we're just going to go down to my studio it's just right down the street we'll
00:35:50
take a couple pictures you'll be back in the GIF you know or hey I'll pay you a thousand dollars
00:35:58
well the easiest con to me would involve the security car the patrol car right because we have is that security
00:36:05
car for real or is it just fictitious or is it real but it's from a different location and this guy's just a creep
00:36:12
using it to hey uh I need to question you girls for a second what do we do officer get in the back of my car
00:36:20
right you know right I mean 17 14 9 you're probably gone yeah because you think that's just part of the deal it's
00:36:27
just the way that this goes down you know we talked about this a few weeks ago with the Oakland County child killer
00:36:32
yeah or you could be like MGK you could get in their face and say F you pig well regarding regarding this so what
00:36:44
I'm getting at here is we have three teenage girls we've already said that they didn't have much money what if the
00:36:50
nine-year-old or the 14 year old decided to pocket something or even the 17 year
00:36:55
old decided to pocket something and and was spotted by a real life security guard inside that Mall and thought well
00:37:02
I got three young girls in my car all to myself here's my opportunity I'm going to take advantage or like you said do we
00:37:10
have a Ted Bundy situation where we have somebody posing to be a security officer
00:37:15
that works at that mall you know driving around in the parking lot looking for younger females who are not accompanied
00:37:21
by a male or somebody they would consider to be adults and pull up on them and say hey I know you did this I
00:37:29
saw you do this and like you said get in the back of my car yeah or do we have a
00:37:34
Jeffrey Dahmer situation where you're going around the mall and tracking people and you're going to try to abduct them
00:37:41
in the mall well and the interesting thing here about the idea of being conned or
00:37:47
tricked by somebody it does go along with what the um the majority of the eyewitness accounts are and that is that
00:37:56
most of these accounts don't say that the girls were being forced to do anything that they they were going along
00:38:03
willingly or even sitting in the vehicle and appeared to be happy or smiling so right right but that's what I'm saying
00:38:11
is you can offer the world to somebody if you know that you never have to pay it up
00:38:17
well and then I know what some people are asking too is that they're saying hey Nick these are conflicting
00:38:24
eyewitness accounts that they they don't line up with one another why would you think that maybe these girls were
00:38:31
tricked or conned and go with what you said seems to be what's going on in the majority of these eyewitness accounts
00:38:37
there's a part of me that wonders Captain if maybe they're not conflicting at all did the eyewitness one did the
00:38:44
eyewitness get something wrong or two are these small portions of a much larger story
00:38:52
that an eyewitness only sees a small portion of the story reports what they see and then there's a larger story
00:38:58
going on and these might possibly could be all little pieces of this bigger story yeah yeah and I I think the
00:39:07
biggest one though is the man that says he sees uh a guy forcing a girl into a van and he actually asked the man
00:39:17
because this is 74. I mean even in the 80s uh I don't know if you ever remember but
00:39:24
like there was a couple times like you'd go to the store and a kid would get out
00:39:28
of line and the parents would just smack the [ __ ] out of their kids well yeah and the threat was always uh
00:39:37
you know I'm gonna take you don't make me take you to the restroom don't make me take you out to the car was an often
00:39:43
one don't make me because you're not gonna slap your kid in the middle of the store you take them out to the car and
00:39:48
spank them there yeah or it'd be like just wait till your dad gets home with his belt and you're like what why does
00:39:55
he need to use the belt well and that's why I reference who was the Target no but that's but let me finish this point
00:40:02
Sorry is that that happen you would see kids get spanked right there then and there right it
00:40:10
wasn't always let's go to the restroom it wasn't always let's go to the car and for somebody to speak up
00:40:19
on something there had to be a little bit more of a struggle you see what I'm saying right
00:40:25
like it wasn't just like all this girl's not cooperating getting into the vehicle
00:40:30
this was a struggle and the guy actually said something well I think you're making two points there one being that
00:40:37
it was it was something that that was brought to his attention so much so that he felt
00:40:45
he needed to say something vicious enough yes but two things like this were commonplace enough that when told hey
00:40:53
this is just a family thing you need to stay out of it he does stay out of it and in fact he doesn't report the issue
00:40:58
until five years later right until five years later so but then but then you have to then
00:41:05
here's the problem though with all these eyewitness accounts I mean this guy's coming
00:41:10
five years later did this happen on the day the girls went missing right did this happen six
00:41:18
months after the girls went missing we don't know I I have a really hard time believing any eyewitness story that
00:41:24
comes fourth five years later unless they said I know this happened then and I thought about it for five
00:41:33
years and then I came forward but a lot of these eyewitnesses that come forward five years later
00:41:40
they it's almost like I saw something on Dateline and then that sparked my interest and I thought
00:41:47
oh yeah I was at that mall one time oh yeah that's where that girl was trying to get in the van yeah I mean and then
00:41:55
they're calling them law enforcement oh I saw something and they don't even know
00:41:59
when they saw it or when they did it well yeah I have a hard time trusting something that comes out five six years
00:42:04
later I also have a hard time trusting something where uh the police call for make a call to action for you to come
00:42:12
forward hey we need to speak with you directly we heard what you reported to the store clerks we need to speak with
00:42:17
you directly and then that woman never never makes her a presence known she never comes forward and talks to talks
00:42:25
to the police so as far as we know what's been reported publicly now we had said that the police said at
00:42:32
first that the girls simply ran away we also said that the parents protested this thought and they did not agree with
00:42:39
this but doesn't make any sense though I mean I mean I know it's 74 but it's like come
00:42:46
on where's your evidence of this I mean I understand that they went to the ball uh
00:42:52
they didn't go back to their car we have their car they disappeared Into Thin Air so
00:42:58
therefore they ran away come on 1714 and 19 year old well and if the 14 and the 17 year old were planning
00:43:06
to run away so the day that they're playing in a runaway they would have done everything in their power to have
00:43:12
the nine-year-old not go with them it wasn't like they're like you know what we're going to be on the run for a while
00:43:18
and uh we might need some extra food so let's take this nine-year-old along you know because if we run out of food
00:43:24
we can use her it's not I mean it makes zero sense well as if to back up the police's
00:43:31
Theory a letter arrived the next morning it was addressed to Rachel's husband wait hold on when when did the letter
00:43:38
arrive the next morning the day after they went missing correct so they would they disappeared on the afternoon or
00:43:46
evening of the 23rd and on the 24th a letter arrives to Rachel's husband question and I don't know if you know
00:43:53
this but did the police come out and state this the first night at all like we think we're leaning
00:44:01
towards Runaway do we have any no I think that would just be something they told the the
00:44:07
parents so um the letter was addressed to Rachel's husband the strange thing though that
00:44:16
would be noticed right away is the name on the envelope was a formal addressing it was addressed to Thomas a trilica and
00:44:25
Rachel called her husband Tommy Rachel was scrawled in the upper left hand corner of the envelope as to imply that
00:44:34
the letter inside was from Rachel there was no return address there was no city name on the postmark only a blurred
00:44:43
Postal Service number and it says 76083 now the number three appears to be backward which is strange inside Thomas
00:44:56
found a letter the letter was on a sheet of paper that was wider than the envelope that it was sent in written in
00:45:03
what has been described as a childish scroll the letter red well it's cursive yeah okay but it has been described as a
00:45:13
childish scroll the letter read I know I'm going to catch it but we just had to get away we are going to Houston see you
00:45:22
in about a week the car is in Sears Upper lot la love Rachel the L on Rachel's name was a short Loop
00:45:34
that looked more like an e the the writer apparently had gone back over this making it a taller Loop to make
00:45:42
sure that it looked like an l now again that's speculation correct but if you if you zoom in there Captain you
00:45:50
can see that there's a small Loop off to the right of her name on the bottom of the page
00:45:57
and you would have to pick up your pencil to make the other loop yeah but this is
00:46:03
not the best penmanship anyways right so so I think that should have to come into
00:46:09
play and we'll post this um letter on our website truecramgarage.com we'll also post it on
00:46:16
all the social media platforms so you can take a look at what we're seeing Thomas says that he
00:46:22
he picked the letter up out of the mailbox himself he says he believes that the letter was
00:46:29
sealed but can't say for certain he doesn't remember anything else in the mailbox that day there were no Christmas
00:46:36
cards no Flyers no bills just this letter we'll start off with the first point you're making though
00:46:43
uh she called him Tommy correct and she addresses him Thomas well the whoever wrote the letter or wrote the envelope
00:46:55
addresses it Thomas a trilica I don't find that that odd right right okay I mean just like you
00:47:04
know the only reason why is because it's a letter and it's like well and it's the
00:47:10
envelope it's not like it says Dear Thomas a trilica inside it's the envelope right and then you might know
00:47:17
that everything that goes to this house is addressed this way so you'd address it the same way
00:47:24
now we do know that the the car was found the day before exactly where it said it would be found in this letter
00:47:32
right um the interesting thing here the 10 cent stamp had been canceled that morning so
00:47:39
it appears that this would have been it would have had to been mailed either the
00:47:44
night before or the morning of the date of delivery which is December 24 1974. now a lot of people have suggested early
00:47:55
on in this case that one it states hey we had to get away and it's written supposedly signed by a person that's
00:48:02
missing part of the group so they say that that backs up the runaway Theory then there's other people that state
00:48:08
there's no way it could have been delivered in that short period of time so it must have been wrote in advance
00:48:14
and mailed in advance prior to having taken off [Music] um I think law enforcement confirmed later
00:48:23
that that was not the case that it was very possible and even likely that it would have been dropped in a box
00:48:31
somewhere on the 23rd or the morning of the as late as the morning of the 24th right so
00:48:39
either the day they went missing or the next morning yeah so you said Rachel called her husband
00:48:48
Tommy but this is is this technically her husband yes at 17 yes so they've been married for six months
00:48:57
by the time that she had disappeared okay so it was the 14 year old that got the promise ring from her boyfriend
00:49:03
Terry who's 15. okay that's that's where I was confused I was like wait a second
00:49:08
they're married and he's given her a promise ring hey we're I know we're married but hey I promise to
00:49:15
promise to love you well let's talk about the L uh originally in my opinion looking like an e
00:49:22
um now look okay it's the not the Rachel that is on the outside of the letter it's on the inside so it's the bottom on
00:49:31
on the letter itself not on the envelope um like I said it appears to most uh what I can gather most people seem to
00:49:40
believe that it looks as if somebody wrote an a cursive e at first and then went back over top of it making it a
00:49:48
cursive L at the end of her name Rachel personally I do believe this I've looked
00:49:55
at it quite a bit and I think that it appears that I don't know why somebody would go back over and make it look like
00:50:01
an e if they already wrote an L so the only thing that makes sense to me is that somebody either uh missed a step in
00:50:08
their signing of the name or they put an e there first and went back over it to correct it to make it an L the thing
00:50:17
that's strange about that for me is look I've misspelled a lot of words in my day
00:50:21
right I don't recall ever misspelling my name at any point and you know Nick Nicholas I go by Nick 99 of the time one
00:50:31
percent of the time I go by Nicholas and even when I have to pull that up and do
00:50:34
it on the quick I never misspell or miswrite my name you know so that seems very strange to me meaning what I think
00:50:42
is it was written by somebody other than Rachel the other thing that I find to be
00:50:48
weird is that out of the three girls that go missing the middle girl's name is Renee well her
00:50:55
name would end with two e's Rachel's name ends with e-l and somebody having just learned the name of their three
00:51:02
captive girls that they have with them could have made that slip in that process and they corrected it yeah or it
00:51:09
could be Renee writing the note and her messing up kind of going into her own name there so that's a
00:51:17
possibility but also when you look at the actual letter part it's very jumbled up things are a little
00:51:25
too close um there's there's miss the the problem is is you know if we're gonna say this l slash
00:51:35
e at the end of Rachel is this big huge mistake and this is a tell well you can look
00:51:41
through the letter and find a bunch of mistakes anyways I mean when you say um I had to get away
00:51:51
uh we're going to Houston want to catch there's like a out of nowhere up here so I don't know what that's from uh it's
00:52:04
above the we're going to Houston and then see you that looks to me as the if they almost
00:52:12
put three E's and C hmm see you in about a week um so um and then the way they like
00:52:25
here's okay okay if you look at weak and you look at C that would make me think you're correct
00:52:35
on the mess up because you see how they connect the ease together very rounded at the bottom same thing
00:52:43
happens in Rachel so before where I didn't see the mess up if you look at weak and you put it by Rachel
00:52:51
they're going into their little Loop loopy E's so that's that is pretty interesting but
00:52:59
it's just again it's jumbled so then it makes you wondered Wonder uh if this was like written and mailed out
00:53:09
before before they went to the mall why not take a little more time to write it out
00:53:14
right this seems pretty rushed um I feel like the the letters are feminine more so than
00:53:26
you know like that this is probably written by a female I don't see that personally but the
00:53:34
thing the things that I find weird in this are look we have Rachel's mother Fran
00:53:42
Langston she never believed that this letter came from her daughter Rachel um and then we have Tommy her husband
00:53:50
who agrees and even in a recent interview says quote I never thought it came from Rachel right so do we have
00:53:58
Renee's mom saying that this could be her handwriting that's that's that's interesting that you bring that up
00:54:04
because that's not an angle that I thought of and we don't have any all you have to figure out is these loopy E's
00:54:12
that's a dead giveaway some somebody else does these loopy E's you see it in C you see it in week and I
00:54:20
guarantee somebody knows somebody that does that well according to law enforcement we have mixed reviews
00:54:28
so at first where they believed that the letter is from Rachel's claiming you know backing up their thought that the
00:54:35
girls had run away uh later we have law enforcement say stating that we gave this letter as well as other uh
00:54:44
documents and letters that we collected from Rachel's belongings and we sent all
00:54:49
of them to the FBI what we get back is that the tester inconclusive that they can't the FBI cannot say with 100
00:54:57
certainty that Rachel did not write this letter they cannot say with 100 certainty that she did write this letter
00:55:05
um but the weird thing to me that that really stood out to me is one like I said I've never misspelled my own name
00:55:13
but what can we gather what can we gather from this note there are things that we can say for certain that that
00:55:20
are our certainties regarding the information that's on the envelope and within the letter itself one that we can
00:55:27
say with the certainty is either the the author of this letter either knew Rachel
00:55:34
or abducted her and then got information from her and what I mean by that is look if if she was abducted and she had
00:55:45
her driver's license on her it might have that address she's only been married for six months
00:55:50
let's say it does have that address on her driver's license well that you can send the letter that way what's not
00:55:56
going to be on her driver's license is the proper spelling of her husband's name okay so either this individual that
00:56:03
wrote the letter knew Rachel new information personal information about her or got that information
00:56:11
directly from her as she was being held captive yeah or if you have the address there's probably a way that they could
00:56:19
look that up but it seems like you'd have to know more to be able to say I I I don't understand what the
00:56:27
motive for writing the letter would be if you captured it's to buy time it's to buy time to to to let the loved
00:56:36
ones and let law enforcement think that I because look they they specifically point they point to a large city right
00:56:44
but you're here going to Houston well that's difficult it's not like they're saying went to take off to Houston Went
00:56:51
to went to Grove City where there's you know 30 000 people or I don't even know how many people live here these days but
00:56:57
you pick a city like Houston you know went to New York City well that's uh there's a lot of people that visit my
00:57:02
city thank you very much no I know that but we have some Brewer breweries now we
00:57:07
have some great craft bars craft beer bars right but regardless of how fancy your city is if you are an abductor and
00:57:16
you want to buy time you're going to say hey we took off had to get away for a while went to a big city you're not
00:57:24
going to mention a little city and then on top of that they put a time period in
00:57:28
there see you in about a week obvious to me that whoever wrote this letter is trying to buy a week's worth
00:57:35
of time but hold on a second so you send the letter just to one person thinking that well since Rachel
00:57:45
was seen with these two other girls that Thomas is gonna let everybody know is that the idea
00:57:53
because I think if that was the idea to buy time like and and you're having these girls write
00:57:58
the letters for you anyways why not just write three letters you know I get I get
00:58:04
what you're saying and and then every family gets a thing going hey we're going to Houston we'll see you in about
00:58:11
a week right so I I don't know it's uh it's very strange I mean I get your point yes it could buy you time but to
00:58:22
me then everybody else is going well where's the other two girls and why are they gone and why and then why would
00:58:28
Rachel take but the letter speaks to that says we had to get away with the nine-year-old that you never
00:58:38
hung out with that you mean it's not supposed to make sense right but what I'm saying is it's
00:58:46
you just said that it's to buy time well you asked you asked why would anybody cat take these girls captive and then
00:58:54
send a letter and that's the only reason I can think of no right which I understand but what I'm
00:58:59
saying is because the letter doesn't make any sense that it's it's a red flag you know I mean it's like
00:59:07
all it does is add another red flag is what I'm saying like girls are missing if you think that
00:59:15
you're going to send this letter and it's going to ease everybody's mind and stop looking for them to me this is like
00:59:21
oh [ __ ] something bad happened oh I see what you see what I'm saying like when I'm getting the letter I'm not
00:59:29
just all of a sudden going to be at ease because I got this letter I'm gonna go this makes zero sense
00:59:34
now I'm more heightened I'm now more worried as a as opposed to just well maybe there's some because it is 74.
00:59:43
there's a if if they went back to their car maybe the car didn't start maybe people didn't check that like you start
00:59:50
going through all these things did they just go to get something to eat or did they just go here or maybe they're at
00:59:57
somebody's house right maybe you know we can't find them right now but maybe they
01:00:02
just stayed out too late and then they decided to go back to Renee's house or you know I mean
01:00:07
you get this letter the next day going we went to Houston that's what I'm saying it's the next day of going
01:00:16
oh [ __ ] there's something really wrong here well and I think that's why you have a discrepancy between the way that
01:00:24
the family remembers this case in the way that law enforcement remember this case okay so you might have law
01:00:30
enforcement stating well and we do know that they said that look we thought they ran away here's this
01:00:36
letter saying that they ran away and then you have the families saying all along we never believe this letter came
01:00:41
from Rachel and we try to tell the police that so that's why you have that and keep in mind too does it make any
01:00:48
sense to send a letter is that the best idea that you can come up with after you
01:00:51
abduct uh three children it's what I mean by it's not supposed to make sense is it doesn't make sense to
01:01:00
abduct three children that's not what normal people do so there is no normal once you've committed that act and this
01:01:09
might just be a knee-jerk reaction to try to throw somebody off the scent to buy yourself some time maybe it's a
01:01:15
panic maybe it's a panic move but the regardless of whatever it is or the reasoning behind it it's a clue
01:01:23
whether it came from Rachel whether it came whether she was forced to write it whether she wrote it of her own free
01:01:29
will or if somebody else wrote it for her pretending to be her regardless it's a clue and the other thing that makes me
01:01:37
think that Rachel did not write this letter was I tried to over and over again I tried to recreate the way that
01:01:46
the r looks and her name signed on the letter and it looks to me to be a very it's not a smooth motion to make that r
01:01:55
that is a is a weird R I couldn't see somebody that's probably signed her name a thousand times by the time that she
01:02:02
was 17 having that weird looking R and to have to contort her hand and pick it pick the pen up off of the paper maybe
01:02:11
even more than once uh twice to get that R written it just doesn't seem like a natural motion to me well that really
01:02:19
blows my theory on the idea that it was Renee that wrote the letter she was probably forced to write that letter by
01:02:26
somebody but it would be her because that would make that would be the only reason why it would be tossing a double
01:02:32
e at the end the reason why I say that is because somebody that has a double e at the end of their name what becomes
01:02:40
second nature to you because you sign your name so much double E's right they become second nature to you and then if
01:02:48
you look at the ease and weak and you look at the ease and see it's almost like second nature double e now I
01:02:55
almost think that if if uh abductor or somebody involved with the abductor was writing this out there's a chance that
01:03:03
they could have just made a quick slip of the mind and we have two two victims Rachel and Renee and oh
01:03:10
brain fart slip of the hand and and wrote two e's there on accident now more importantly I think is what about that
01:03:18
weird postal code so there's no city name on the postmark only the post service number
01:03:25
76083 with the three backwards here's the speculation maybe the person who stamped it was a little light on the
01:03:34
right hand side of the stamp and it's not a backwards three but it's an unfinished eight
01:03:42
I think that this would make sense because this would make the postal code from where the letter was mailed as
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76088 so if that were the the intended postal code or the correct postal code the letter would have come from
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somewhere in Weatherford Texas Weatherford is about 35 to 40 35 to 40 minute drive from the Center of Fort
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Worth now we have another thought though perhaps as private investigator Dan James believes the last two digits of
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the stamp were hand loaded and put in the wrong way so it is supposed to be 3 8 if it is 3 8 or 38 then it may have
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been stamped in Eliza I'm sorry elisaville which is a little further away this is a
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two hour drive east of Fort Worth still in the great state of Texas Captain do you have a preference or or a
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theory as to whether you believe it's supposed to be a 3 8 like Dan James says or supposed to be an eight eight at the
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end of the postal code no I think all it really proves is that it came from somewhere else you know it
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came from either somebody a half a half an hour away or an hour away again that to me leads
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more to abduction than these girls running away and so again I this letter in general
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doesn't make a lot of sense to me I have a strong preference on which I think is
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correct so I like the 76088 Weatherford postal code and what I mean by that is that I think it's easier
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for me to believe that the stamp was just not applied all of the way this would be a very and more common mistake
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I would have to believe the the postal code being loaded wrong seems to me like a very
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like a stretch like it's it's a reach for me and what I mean by that is it's a postal code you you load your
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stamp once okay if if you hand loaded that and you loaded it incorrectly then you would think that this would not be
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the only letter that has this code wrong now it is the only letter that's being examined in such a way that people would
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notice this it's there's a chance that it was never noticed or what that the guy did the guy or girl did it once and
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corrected themselves and it was forever fixed well or again that's if you're believing that the post
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office is stamping this code I mean it's possible that um the abductor would be able to but have a postal code
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stamp an official I'm just saying it's possible it's not impossible I agree so then that leads you to believe if it was
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somebody doing that they're changing that number to throw you off for whatever reason
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right so but it sounds like the dumbest crime but it's like man if you can get your hands
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on one of those you're not paying for postage well but here's here's the reason why I like seven six zero eight
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eight better than than it was loaded wrong not only because I think this would be a more common issue I mean to
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this day man I get letters that the the stamp is only halfway on there or partially on there they stamp hundreds
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and thousands of these things maybe even daily this has got to be a common issue
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the other thing too is if you load a stamp wrong how many times are you loading the
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postal code of a stamp that you're using every day guess what if you load it correctly you only load it once maybe in
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your entire career it's not like you're loading a date stamp where you change it
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every day when you come into work because you have to put a new date today's current date on the item that
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you're stamping unless you're responsible for multiple locations and then you have to stamps you know I gotta
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stamp all these once I'm done I change stamp all these then once I'm done with that pile change again
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unless that's your job I mean I don't know I've done for work for the Post Office gotcha but but my belief is that
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this would be a mistake that more likely leans to the fact of being just not applied fully
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it's it's weird though it's it's strange well it's strange but I think also at the end of the day whether the the
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abductors changing this themselves whether it's just a mistake maybe they're having the person change it who
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knows but chances are they're dropping off if they didn't change it they're dropping off in a postal code to throw
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you off of something is what my belief would be you know they're not going to you know
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abduct you in Columbus Ohio and then send you know go down to the local post office and go hey can you mail this
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letter out for me is what I believe right so they could easily drive to a blue box somewhere and drop it in the
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Box that's what I'm saying I think um you know and you think that possibly they would do that to throw them off
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but I would also wonder where is this in location to not only the car and the mall they went missing from but where's
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it in location to Houston Texas is it on the way or is it not on the way neither
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of them would be on the way right so they would both be east of Fort Worth like I said or no no no I lied west of
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Fort Worth yeah and I I really just think the this this letter in general is this a huge
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red flag that something really bad has happened interestingly enough Captain I did find one article that states that
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the letter was later obviously much later tested for DNA or touch DNA and the test results come back that it did
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not match the girls or anyone else in their database all right for our old episodes you
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garage tomorrow for the continued story of the missing Fort Worth Trio until then be good be kind and don't litter
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