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missing people with an estimated several thousand people still missing and unidentified
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throughout the United States missing people no one expects a dear friend or loved
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one to vanish from their lives mysteriously and without explanation along with the grief and pain
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there is always so much confusion around a missing person's case the loss of a loved one
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is an incredible loss but not knowing what happened to them or where they could be
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is beyond mentally taxing and emotionally it's torture February 3rd 2023 is National missing persons day
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February this day is designed to highlight the fact that over 1500 people go missing
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every year in the U.S National missing persons day was created by Joanne loitzer after her daughter
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Alexandria went missing in 2010. she wanted to create a day that brought the Public's attention to the problem of
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missing persons every year Alexandria Joy loitzer was last seen in her hometown of Spring Texas on April 26
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2010 her family calls her Ally in 2010 she was 16 years of age Ali left school that day and got off at
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her usual bus stop near her home at 3 pm in route she called her mother saying she was going to walk to Burger Barn
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where she worked to pick up her paycheck this was only a quarter of a mile from her home
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she never arrived at the Burger Barn Ally never came home and she has never been heard from again
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her cell phone has not been used since she vanished Alexandria's case was originally
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classified as a runaway but investigators soon started looking at other theories in her disappearance
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I am thankful to Ali's mother Joanne loitzer for pushing for an annual missing persons day
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there are other days similar to this but this week we recognize this day National missing persons day February
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3rd 2023. this day can be and should be observed by everyone none of us are immune to
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experiencing loss or being lost ourselves children go missing both men and women
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vanish the elderly some suffering from forms of dementia some people with psychiatric problems
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regularly go missing and each year scores of indigenous women go missing and far too often their stories are
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rarely reported so this year let's all take a moment and share the story and picture of a missing person if
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all of us share information get the word out about particular missing person cases
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then we can help to bring more people home if we all come together more people can be found
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and more cases can be solved this is True Crime garage [Music] missing people post pictures track DNA
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missing people and look for that individual missing people Marvin Alvin Clark for those of you that
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follow a lot of missing persons cases out there you may be familiar with this name with his name and this case this is
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a somewhat well-known case in fact some have said this is one of the most famous
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missing persons cases a lot of that comes from just how old this case is when people become fascinated with
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certain types of True Crime cases they tend to dive deep into those stories so they are on the internet hunting and
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trolling for news stories but also researching the old ones well when you go to research old missing persons cases
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Marvin Clark's name is sure to appear on the first page of your internet search any type of category of True Crime that
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you are into many times people dive deep into that category be it missing persons
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serial killers strange mysterious deaths and so on Marvin Clark's name comes up when you search for old missing persons
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cases and that's because Marvin Alan Clark disappeared a long time ago there are some unconfirmed sightings of Marvin
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after his disappearance however it's generally believed that Marvin Clark's last known whereabouts was leaving his
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home in Tigard Oregon on October 30th 1926. yeah the year the colonel was born now his timeline Captain is a little
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strange as you know and one could easily argue that there are a ton of holes in his timeline but let's get right to it
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shall we on October 30th 1926 Marvin Clark left his home the reports that list his time or an approximate time say
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he left his home around 1pm that day many believed that he was going to visit his daughter
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her name is Sydney McDougall Sydney worked at and lived at a hotel in Portland Oregon today this is a 10 to 12
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mile trip depending on the route that you would take so that would take you about 15 maybe 20 minutes back then look
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almost 100 years ago I don't know the routes or how long it may take to travel there we can make the easy assumption I
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believe that it would have taken a considerably longer time to travel to and from Portland to his home in Tigard
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Oregon his daughter Sydney was the manager of the Hereford hotel which was located at 735 Hoyt Street in Northwest
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Portland now very quickly in this timeline we will start to run into some inconsistencies or discrepancies the
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initial report of Marvin's disappearance which comes to us from a November 6 1926
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news article by the morning Oregonian states that Marvin was to travel to Portland via Stagecoach but then we get
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another report about a week later that states that he had traveled to Portland by bus so right away Captain we start to
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see one problem with our timeline here and that is the means of travel how was he planning to get to and from his
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destination we have StageCoach we have bus both are mentioned yeah they never talk much about Marvin visiting his
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daughter before up in Portland Oregon stay weird but also I think one of the reasons why this case has stayed in the
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True Crime community and one of the reasons why people continue to look it up is it he went missing during the
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Halloween weekend yes it's a mysterious case already but then you double down on
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that with the Halloween weekend and then add to that that this is an older gentleman right most reports have him 73
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to 76 years of age at the time of his disappearance so rarely and I say rarely after today's trailer people are going
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to say Nick you just contradicted yourself rarely do we have reports of older people going missing now you will
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see in a lot of times we have silver alerts where we have persons of an older age
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seniors that go missing and a lot of times they are experiencing some dementia but
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here and the reason why I think this is weird is that that's easily explained when we know that somebody is
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experiencing dementia it makes sense that they went missing they wandered off and now their family everybody's looking
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for them we need to find them as soon as we can here we could have that possibility of dementia but I'm pointing
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out his age because a lot of times when we see somebody go missing it could be for nefarious reasons it could be that
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somebody did something to them it could be that there is Foul Play suspected but
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often when we have a situation where there's the possibility that the individual walked away
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from their life to start anew we usually don't see it being somebody of this age
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it's usually somebody in their 20s or their 30s maybe even their 40s he has a whole life a a very long life of 70 plus
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years with his wife with his family and his whole world as he knows it and they know it so unless we're talking about
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dementia here it would seem very odd to me to have somebody of this extended age walking away to start anew
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Marvin Clark was also a very handsome man and he was very Dapper and he was dressed for the occasion it just seems
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like he has all his faculties it wasn't like he was disheveled and losing his mind or anything well I can
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agree with you for the most part but the reports state that there could be a possibility that that is not quite the
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situation and that's what is difficult about looking at his case as we said one could argue that there are a ton of
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holes in this timeline and the thoughts about why how he went missing so let's get
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into that right away we see the trouble with the means of travel right did he go
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by Stagecoach did he go by bus the captain is absolutely correct handsome man very damper you could the the few
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pictures of him that I have seen he's he's well dressed he's a distinguished older gentleman
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he is often wearing a suit in fact one of the possible sightings and I want to be clear here because there are some
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reports that make it sound definitive that he was in fact spotted and seen right I want to be clear here
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exactly thank you Captain so one possible sighting of Marvin Clark after he left his home that day was we have a
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witness that comes forward saying that he was seen at the terminal on Yamhill Street in downtown Portland dressed in a
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dark suit in slacks okay that goes along with everything the captain is saying this is as far as several reports are
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concerned to be the last sighting of him however I think we really need to hone in on this and I don't think that we can
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all conclude that that is a confirmed sighting of our man Marvin Clark what I think we have here Captain because other
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Reports say that there were no sightings of him or there were possible sightings
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of Marvin Clark but they were later disputed and unconfirmed I think here what we have is somebody trying to help
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trying to offer up some kind of solution and point the family in law enforcement
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in some kind of Direction possibly confirming that he did arrive in Portland this is somebody that is
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matching his description or someone that is believed to have been Marvin Clark not definitively Marvin Clark well and
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let's take out the whole holiday weekend thing it was the weekend and Portland would be the biggest destination
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of all the small towns in that area on the weekend so I'm guessing that those terminals would be filled with more
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individuals which would give us more of a chance to identify the wrong person right and here's the other problem we
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talk about means of travel as being a complication and being a debate worthy item here in the timeline but we also
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have the purpose of his travel so the purpose of his travels it's often stated that he was going to go and visit
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his daughter well that becomes tricky right away too because what we learn of this is how we
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discovered that Marvin's missing in the first place Marvin goes on this trip to Portland or
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at least that's what his wife was told it's been stated that he was going to visit his daughter
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and I'm guessing that his intentions were to not just visit but also to possibly stay the night and that's what
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some of the reports indicate however when his wife after a few days of not hearing from her husband
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she reaches out to the daughter saying hey did did your father how did the visit go did your father leave is do
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you think he'll be back today or tomorrow and the daughter Sydney she says I didn't know he was coming to
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Portland to see me right so right there and then we have our first problem of the purpose of his travel so other
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articles state that he was going to Portland for a doctor's visit this is really interesting to me and I've I've
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heard the arguments I've read the arguments and these are very smart arguments and we've seen this with other
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more recent missing persons cases where you have this discrepancy in the story and there's a possibility that
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both are true is there a chance here that he was going to the big city of Portland
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a neighboring City and he was going there to visit a doctor has a doctor's visit
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and he says you know what what a great idea I will surprise my lovely wonderful daughter while I'm there with a while
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I'm there with a visit from her father maybe his intentions were to stay the night at the hotel
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make his travels a little more pleasant a little more enjoyable extend them out a little bit and then return home so
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there's a there's a opportunity here that both are in fact true well I think one of the
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things that makes it more complicated is it's not like he's traveling a large distance he's traveling a pretty short
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distance so look he goes to the doctor's appointment he goes to visit his daughter she doesn't let's say she
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didn't have time for him couldn't get him a room at where she's working no big deal I'll just hit the bus and go back
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home right so it's it's not unlikely for somebody to make a imprompt to visit when it's such a short distance of
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travel right and here's the thing too though that I I have a bit of an issue with both of these
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ideas for his purpose of travel we have and we know this to be true because we've reviewed the newspaper articles
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there are articles that date back to November 6 1926 that are talking about communities
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and law enforcement and different jurisdictions actively looking for this elderly man the problems I have with the
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timeline and the narrative or narratives I think we shall say is some of these things could be easily followed up on
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right so we know the story about the daughter where he may have been going to visit
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her or maybe it was a surprise visit but what we do know with the daughter is it a he never arrives she never sees
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her father on his travels B she's unaware that he was going to visit her or had any intention at all of
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invisiting of visiting her so one part I have with that is it's stated in these reports that if he was visiting his
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daughter his intentions would have been to stay the night well there's an occupancy
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to hotels there was in 1926 there is today it seems a little out of character for
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Marvin to go there with the plan of staying the night not knowing in advance whether he
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would have a room or not so that seems a little weird but more strange than that in my opinion Captain
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is this doctor's visit I don't know how things were back in 1926 but today I have to schedule an
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appointment with a certain doctor this to me seems like something that could have been easily followed up on why does
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nobody in the family seem to know who or what doctor he was going to visit if in
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fact he was going to a doctor why is there no follow-up on who the appointment was made with if he ever
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arrived at that appointment because that that's the problem with Marvin's story right we have this unconfirmed sighting
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of him at the terminal in downtown Portland so that would be an indication that he made it to Portland however if
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he does not attend a doctor's visit if he does not which we know he did not meet up with his daughter if neither of
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those things happened and this sighting is unconfirmed at best we have nothing to indicate to us or to
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prove to us that in fact he even made it to Portland OR was in Portland at any time well Marvin Clark couldn't use his
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right arm he suffered from paralysis and he also had a limp so these are two things that would really distinct him
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from other individuals but it also makes you wonder at some point I'm guessing Marvin had a stroke and that's why he
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had trouble one walking and and two with the use of his right arm and so is it possible that when he went to travel he
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had a stroke and didn't remember who he was or where he was at or where he was going yeah and that's the thing too it's
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when we talked about this possible doctor's visit again these reports are out in the newspapers and this is a time
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when everybody's reading the papers if he did in fact have a an appoint appointment scheduled with the doctor
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even if his family didn't know what doctor it was why did nobody come forward to say that he had an
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appointment scheduled again it's it's difficult to look at some of these things because we don't know the exact
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workings of things in Portland Oregon in 1926. and like you said I mean if he has
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a doctor's appointment why is why isn't that doctor coming forward and saying hey I saw Marvin that day and and he had
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the appointment and this is what the appointment was about for the reverse I didn't see him that day but he was
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scheduled to come in right and speak with me so that's really interesting to me so I don't want to
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completely squash the whole doctor's visit idea but I think we should really underline both things here when we go we
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don't know the means of his travels but we also don't know the purpose of his travels well the purpose of his travels
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are very sketchy at Best in my opinion where we have this doctor's visit that we know nothing about we have the
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daughter visit that we that she knows nothing about right it's very strange it's a very mysterious
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and intriguing disappearance case now we did state that there were some possible sightings of Marvin that could
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help the one that seems to might possibly have the most or carry the most weight is the one that we've
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already discussed that Marvin was seen at a terminal on this Street in downtown Portland dressed in a
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dark suit in slacks some reports even state that that is the last reported sighting of him again I don't think that
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there's enough information in there to confirm one way or another if that is in fact Marvin but
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the other possible sightings of Marvin are even more sketchy than that one so this is the one that has kind of
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stood the test of time where the others did not and I think that's because these other ones and
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we're only talking about two or three at best right I don't think these other ones carried any weight at all because
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they are so far less descriptive than this one yeah it seems like a handful of horseshit or
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big bag of malarkey what is interesting to me here captain and this is one thing
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that we talk about in the garage when covering these missing persons cases are identifiers
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right things that would separate Marvin Clark or any other missing person from the masses from the from the just
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another face in the crowd for example when we discussed Priceless Pizza his case he's still
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missing unfortunately right he's got this big prominent tattoo on his left shoulder
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this of a Taurus Bullhead so this is not a typical run-of-the-mill tattoo you know it's not the uh it's not the the
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heart with an arrow through it or it's not uh what's you could get a get the tattoo of the woman back in the day when
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you flex your your bicep and make her wiggle it's not one that you would expect to see on every Tom Dick and
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Harry no he's got a very interesting very neat and unique tattoo on his upper left arm so
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that is a an identifier for somebody like bryceless Pisa who is still missing now you mentioned it already here
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Captain with Marvin Clark we have his ailment right we have the the he is having
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issues with not being able to properly use his right arm he has some kind of paralysis
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he also walked with a limp according to many articles this is a distinction that at the time
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is mentioned time and time again because police hoped that that would help to elicit sightings of him that this
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would help people to go oh I remember seeing a man that looked like he was in his late 60s early 70s and he he walked
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with a limp there are other reports too that stated that he needed the use of a Cane so of course this would be another
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great identifier for somebody like Marvin Clark foreign [Music] [Music] we are back cheers mates
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canes in the air if you're singing bass for Boys to Men cheers to you Colonel two canes in the
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air for your Forest Gump magic legs magic legs well no and this you know like you said that identifier
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is really important because it's a holiday weekend there's going to be a lot of people traveling and during the
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weekend you would assume that there's a lot more people traveling to the big city Portland being the biggest city and
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that small region right and so maybe you do see a guy that you think could be in
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his 50s 60s or 70s but you go he didn't walk with a limp or I talked to him on the train or I talked to him on the bus
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and both of his arms were working just fine not only does it help you identify if
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you saw Marvin but it could eliminate some eyewitness sightings as well first he arm wrestled me with the left arm in
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one and then he arm wrestled me with the right and once again beat me again that's interesting captain and it wasn't
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lost on me that it was a holiday weekend you know it's a it's a bit of a Hallmark
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holiday in my opinion but a lot of people love Halloween I know a lot of people are you dismiss Halloween I enjoy
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holidays ever I enjoy it because I love the uh candy and I love the uh the the scary sounds uh soundtracks but yeah it
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sounds like somebody's backpedaling on their Hallmark bicycle I don't know I I didn't look up or dig too deeply on to
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see if there were any festivities going on in Portland partly though I I don't believe that there are you know too many
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men in their 70s that are living for Halloween but I could be wrong right I've been wrong once or twice before now
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what's interesting here too though that shows a an effort by the family so the family is is quoted and had clearly
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spoke to reporters at more than one time early on when their father or husband was missing because some of them are
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quoted and referenced in the newspaper articles from November and December of 1926.
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his daughter that he may or may not have been going to visit Sydney McDougall she offers up a 100
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reward for information leading to finding her father Marvin Clark and of course one hundred dollars back in 1926 is
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easily half a billion dollars today yeah if my father went missing today I'd offer up a hundred bucks as well the
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math is not correct do not check into that on November 9th the Bellingham Herald so
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Bellingham the the city of Bellingham is in Washington so we're not terribly far
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away from Oregon but we are now across the state line the Bellingham Herald reports that Marvin Clark's wife Mary
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Clark she receives air quotes a disconnected postcard reportedly written by her husband that
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was postmarked in Bellingham Washington and there were persons that came forward
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that they stated that they believed that they saw somebody matching Marvin Clark's General description
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at two hotels in the area so yeah two different locations correct and what I believe here Captain this is kind of a
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blanketed statement but to tear this apart a little bit this looks to me like we're talking about two different
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eyewitnesses one at each of these hotels now the dates on these possible sightings of Marvin Clark are November
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2nd and November 3rd remember he was traveling on October 30th so we're a couple days out this seems to reason
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that if it was Marvin Clark that was spotted by one or both of these individuals I'm guessing it would take a
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few more days than than it does today for this postcard if it was in fact from her husband to travel back to Tigard
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Oregon for Mary to receive it one thing you know Not only was Mr Marvin Clark handsome and Dapper as we both agree
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here in the garage and I will post this picture to Twitter Instagram and Facebook if you're curious of what
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Marvin Clark looks like I I do want to point out something that we haven't brought up yet Marvin Alvin Clark it's
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it doesn't seem like uh the the Alvin must be like a family name because Marvin Alvin Clark a little a little
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strange to me doesn't roll off the tongue but I would go with Mac for short uh right if I would have been Marvin Mr
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Clark was was highly educated as well he attended and graduated from two different universities much earlier in
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his life and we underlined that though to point out that if in fact this postcard arrives and its air quotes
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disconnected in fact I don't like the the disconnected I don't even know what that means statement well I I can go
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into it here a little bit because there's other reports that I think this describes it better badly jumbled
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postcard is the other description and I looked hi and then I looked low probably shouldn't
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look for things under the influence I did not find I wanted to find an image of this postcard online because you know
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me Captain like so many others or a letter there's the note or a letter I am fully invested in the the mystery I
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wanted to review this postcard and couldn't find it so if anybody out there any of our wonderful listeners knows
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where this can be seen please email it to us that'd be awesome or hit us up on Twitter at True Crime garage or at
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tcgnic we point out his education because look it's it's 1926 there's a much higher population of people that
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cannot read or write at that time that would not be the situation for Marvin Clark what I think the family's pointing
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out here is we received this postcard this is good because it means he made it somewhere
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and he's still alive when it was sent however it's bad because we're reading this disconnected or what I like badly
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jumbled postcard that came from our father from our husband we're concerned too that he's yes he he may be alive and
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he was able to send this postcard but the postcard is weird as hell all right so if it shows up and it's all doesn't
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make any sense how the hell did he address the thing so it even ends up at the correct address there are reports
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that state that it didn't go to his wife but that it went to either the daughter
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or one of his sons uh but regardless of who receives the postcard I believe it was his wife
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because the most of the reports state that that's who received it right regardless of who received it how the
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hell is his message in the postcard all jumbled and doesn't make sense to anybody but he accurately gives the
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address but on top of all that I mean no matter how badly it's jumbled I would believe his wife she would be
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the one that could look at that postcard and say yeah this postcard might be quote unquote disconnected or all
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jumbled up but that is my husband's handwriting it might be slop a little more sloppy than normal but
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um that's definitely his handwriting so I I believe that that's a is it's not just a hoax or they didn't just get some
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random postcard from some random individual in Washington yes and no I don't like this postcard I don't like it
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at all because the postcard to me is much more nefarious than any of these other parts of his little timeline here
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so what you're trying to say is that it's possible that if something nefarious happened to
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him that somebody else could have mailed a postcard to the family to throw them off the scent that something bad
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happened in Portland actually I'm gonna go with this two different ways okay something bad could have happened to him
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in Portland something bad could have happened to him in Bellingham Washington something bad it could have happened to
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him in anywhere I mean it's we're almost 100 years later and we've we've not answered a lot of the questions that are
00:37:25
in this story we can't state definitively that he made it out of his hometown exactly that's what I'm getting
00:37:32
at this postcard to me just screams of potential Foul Play and I want to underline the word potential there right
00:37:41
we've seen it's not terribly uncommon for someone to try to create an alibi in these types of stories right husband
00:37:54
kills wife or husband has somebody kill his wife and purposely calls home a couple times and leaves voicemails for
00:38:02
the wife after he knows that she's been taken out well I couldn't have killed her you heard the voicemails I was
00:38:08
trying to get a hold of her I had no involvement I had no knowledge of anything that happened to her and we've
00:38:14
also seen it happen with stranger on Stranger crimes it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody pulls
00:38:21
an ID off of this guy or pull something out of this guy's pockets that's and sees
00:38:28
and address and decides to send a postcard that with with a message that makes no
00:38:36
sense right the other thing too is until we see until somebody else lays eyes on
00:38:41
this postcard none of the newspaper articles at the time this is all we had a conversation with somebody in the
00:38:47
family and they told us they received this postcard I want somebody else's eyes to have seen this postcard
00:38:53
did this postcard even exist yeah good point did something happen to him before he even left
00:38:59
Tigard Oregon as you pointed out Captain that's certainly a possibility that we need to discuss could have something
00:39:07
happened to him in Tiger Oregon and he didn't even make it out of there and I'm not trying to point the finger at the
00:39:13
family or anything but it would not be the first time that somebody creates a situation like this
00:39:22
to make it look like this dude left and he was alive and well but sent this jumbled postcard to us
00:39:30
several days later after he left our great little city here well just let's go back to my little hypothetical my
00:39:37
father goes missing right I could offer up a million dollars if I know that nobody's going to come forward with
00:39:45
correct information to come find him so just because somebody offers up a reward doesn't mean
00:39:53
that they're not somebody that we should look at well and the thing here is look
00:39:57
at the story when you review the story it's one giant tailspin to me family says he left
00:40:08
Tigard Oregon to go to Portland to visit his daughter says I had no idea that he was coming to
00:40:15
see me oh he might have been going for a doctor's appointment we have no doctor to back up that there was ever any
00:40:22
appointment made or any visit that took place right postcard comes back saying that he's in Bellingham Washington
00:40:29
nobody ever said that he was going to Bellingham Washington to begin with it's one giant tailspin and then some
00:40:36
articles go out of their way to state that Marvin did not take a coat with him now this is to me an interesting little
00:40:43
angle here let's Circle back to the the the coat or no coat situation I want to completely address this postcard you and
00:40:52
the postcard the problem with the postcard here Captain let's say that let's say the postcard is 100 factually
00:41:00
real and true and they receive some confused Mis guided misconnected disconnected message
00:41:08
from Marvin where where's his body right if if he ends up going into some kind of state of Dementia or he ends up
00:41:18
having medical or health issues while on his travels he should have been found and let unless I mean unless he's
00:41:28
dropped out in the middle of nowhere out in the forest somewhere well we're talking about this case
00:41:34
what almost a hundred years later so this is this is not a case that people in that area wouldn't have heard
00:41:43
of so if some mental institution took him in or some Hospital took him in or somebody
00:41:51
took him in and said oh we found this guy and he's not able to talk or he's not able to communicate but he could
00:41:58
obviously write a letter so he he might have some dementia he might be going in and out of
00:42:05
you know a conscious state but you'd think that they would have heard of this in the news and at least been able to
00:42:12
say hey hey we found a guy and he might be Marvin but nobody has come forward right and to
00:42:20
me so if he runs into health problems if he gets into the state of dementia and gets
00:42:28
lost or let's say out of outside of what we've heard or what we've been told that he was even suicidal those three
00:42:40
possibilities seem very unlikely to me given that we we've never recovered Marvin Alvin Clark we've never recovered
00:42:51
his body he was never found anywhere if if Marvin had been discovered somewhere if he died on a train or on a bus or in
00:42:59
a stagecoach or at some Hotel we wouldn't be talking about this story today there would be a lot less mystery there
00:43:09
so those three possibilities seem to be much less likely than the two possibilities that I think seem
00:43:17
of a higher probability and I would believe that the higher probability factors point to me that
00:43:24
either a he wanted to go missing or B somebody wanted him to go missing yeah it's a tough one because like we said he
00:43:33
didn't have use of his right arm and he had a limp and so to me that's an indication that he had some kind of
00:43:41
stroke and it's possible that he had another one and lost the ability to communicate
00:43:48
and it's possible that they did find him there was a John Doe that one could make an argument could be
00:43:58
Marvin Alvin Clark who who is that because I think to me like the the coat thing is another Factor another part of
00:44:09
the story that might lead one to believe or could be some evidence that maybe he
00:44:14
was not thinking clearly when he left you know it's October 30th I don't know what the weather was that day or that
00:44:20
week but it sounds like his intentions were to be gone for a night or a couple of days that time of year you're
00:44:29
probably going to want to take a coat with you so I think that is an indicator that maybe he wasn't thinking clearly
00:44:35
maybe dementia maybe health issues so you have that angle and I that's why we bring up the coat but again if it's
00:44:43
if it's mental if it's dementia if it's health issues any of that I feel like we're we are finding him okay so in 1986
00:44:52
there was a John Doe that was discovered um in the woods between Tigard and Portland and there was no identification
00:45:01
found on the body but there was an 1888 Liberty Head nickel and a 1919 penny a pocket watch leather shoes and a
00:45:12
Fraternal Order of Eagles pocket knife and four tokens with the inscription DP were found near the body a 38 revolver
00:45:23
and a spent shell were also found near the remains a pair of wired Rim glasses were also discovered and upon the
00:45:31
autopsy of John Doe the State medical examiner Dr Karen gunson observed a bullet hole in the man's skull they
00:45:41
ruled the death of suicide and the estimated age of John Doe was 35 to 55 which would be obviously a lot younger
00:45:50
than Marvin they brought in Clark's granddaughter Dorothy Willoughby to try to identify
00:45:59
the body but there was no positive identification made and will it be died in 1991. so again that John Doe was
00:46:07
discovered in 1986 he goes missing in 1926 so that's that's you know I hate to say it you know I
00:46:19
don't want anybody to lose their lunch but that's a pretty decayed body yeah the problem with this John Doe though is
00:46:26
it was determined to not be Marvin Clark and it took years for them to figure that out the interesting thing
00:46:33
here too was the Fraternal Order of Eagles pocket knife I was a little surprised and of course I'm not going to
00:46:40
sit here and pretend to know everything about my grandparents or frankly I don't
00:46:45
know much and it's a little disappointing now that I've come to this realization that I know almost nothing
00:46:50
about my great-grandparents but the Fraternal Order of Eagles is is a club it's it's an organization that
00:47:00
you have to become a member of I was a little surprised to see you know I wanted to see if anybody would be yes he
00:47:07
was a member of the Eagles or he he was not um now you don't have to I guess there are other means of acquiring such
00:47:15
pocket knife without having been in the Fraternal Order of Eagles but it wasn't until 2018.
00:47:24
that they figure out that that John Doe is not in fact Marvin Alvin Clark and that was based off of DNA now the
00:47:35
University of North Texas have have been great and been doing gangbusters work on
00:47:40
identifying unidentified persons for years they're probably if not one of the best in the business
00:47:49
of identifying these unidentified persons or unidentified remains they determine based off of DNA samples
00:47:57
that were provided to them from family members of Marvin Clark that this in fact is not Marvin Clark so what we end
00:48:07
up here with everybody doing all this good work we have the medical examiner out where the remains were located in
00:48:16
Oregon doing great work and keeping alive this case Marvin Clark's case and we have the good people
00:48:24
down at the University of North Texas doing wonderful work all trying to solve this mystery and
00:48:30
then what we end up getting Captain is two Mysteries we still don't know who Marvin Alvin Clark what happened to him
00:48:37
and now we have this situation where we have these unidentified remains that were found in 1986 we don't know we're
00:48:44
not able to give a name to this person that was found okay I'm not I'm going to sound like Mr Captain possibilities here
00:48:53
but they're looking for a quote-unquote descendant of Marvin Clark and so then they end up finding but his
00:49:05
great great granddaughter look it's possible that you know his kids weren't his kids
00:49:15
and I don't mean to like just throw out every possibility in the world but there this was a time where if
00:49:24
you if you got married to somebody that already had kids and you were going to just adopt them and and raise them as
00:49:30
your own that you might just never told them that you're not their father so I'm just saying it's isn't it a
00:49:38
possibility that yes it doesn't match his great great granddaughters DNA but it it still could be Clark oh yes yeah
00:49:47
that that would be a possibility I would I would need to know more about the I know that's a little far-fetched I don't
00:49:54
think it's so yeah I think we would need to know more obviously about their family tree and about the DNA that was
00:50:02
collected by the University of North Texas it does seem to be a pretty definitive statement that they're giving
00:50:09
out but you've quickly poked some holes in that possibility so it's an interesting well the thing is is that
00:50:17
you have a missing guy for so many years and then what 60 years later you find these remains
00:50:26
and they're between supposedly where he was coming from and where he's going and people claim there's multiple people
00:50:35
that claim that he's possibly suicidal and this guy is death you know this John Doe's death has ruled a suicide what I
00:50:44
can't get over is these the nickel that they found and the penny that they found
00:50:50
1888 Liberty Head Nickel in the 1919 penny it just seems uh strange I'd like to know also
00:51:00
if you have a revolver I think to find the date of when that revolver was made to me that would be wouldn't be
00:51:09
that hard to figure out right and if that puts us in the time period of Marvin Clark then
00:51:15
I go we need to we might need to re-examine this the other thing that you're going to want to figure out as
00:51:21
well is okay let's pretend that in the very slight chance you've brought up a scenario where it could
00:51:29
be Marvin Clark the remains that were found the skeleton has been reported was found in the woods
00:51:38
by loggers between Tigard and Portland what the hell is up with Bellingham Washington If This Were to be
00:51:48
Marvin Clark does I mean does he go to Bellingham and then try to return to his home and then instead of going home he
00:51:54
kills himself it seems there seemed to be a lot of hurdles to clear to make this to be Marvin Clark I
00:52:04
I no no but like you said I think you raised some good points on what could make this disconnected quote-unquote
00:52:13
postcard it's fishy it seems somewhat yeah it does it seems very strange in the the
00:52:22
case this missing situation to me seems a little shaky right I feel like it's a little shaky and I'm not trying to point
00:52:32
the finger at anybody but when we have so many Mysteries inside of the timeline itself inside of what should be a such a
00:52:40
short timeline it just there's something about it that feels very weird and I get it it's a
00:52:47
hundred years ago there could have been breadcrumbs that were lost along the way
00:52:53
100 nobody's disputing that there could be blanks that should be could be easily
00:52:59
filled in in the timeline here with Marvin Clark that we just can't do given the time the passage of time here Marvin
00:53:08
Clark's family continues to seek answers in this case regardless of what happened
00:53:13
to Marvin Clark his family wants to know what happened to him and name is has been involved in Clark's case
00:53:22
name us for those that are unaware is a forum for families across generations to
00:53:27
know that their loved ones have not been forgotten the oldest case in namis is a
00:53:33
gentleman named Elijah Cravens who has been missing since 1902 Cravens was last known to be riding a horse to The
00:53:42
Woodsman of the world fair in Oklahoma he was never heard from again although he may not be found he will always have
00:53:50
a resting place in namis where he will be remembered there is also another case that dates back to 1920 but as far as I
00:53:59
could find Captain this Marvin Clark disappearance of October 1926 is one of the oldest missing persons cases as far
00:54:10
as namus and other websites and databases are concerned again his family continues to seek
00:54:18
answers for Marvin Clark what happened to Marvin Alvin Clark where is he February 3rd is National missing person
00:54:42
day one of the things that we can do for the True Crime community and we see it a
00:54:48
lot on social media I know Colonel you see it a lot as people continue to share images and descriptions of missing
00:54:57
persons and it really does help it helps law enforcement and it helps to try to get some answers for these families yes
00:55:05
and we mentioned the name in the trailer we have Alexandria Joy lowitzer who has been
00:55:14
missing since April 26 of 2010 she was last seen in her hometown of Spring Texas she goes by the name of Ali she is
00:55:25
a Caucasian female she was age 16 back in 2010 her height and weight are five foot two 140 to 150 pounds back then her
00:55:37
hair brown hair some times dyed black and she has blue eyes she was last seen wearing dark pants a hoodie and a
00:55:47
multi-colored backpack and we discussed some of the limited details about her Disappearance in the trailer
00:55:56
her family's still looking for her there's a chance that she did take off on her own her friends were very
00:56:04
Cooperative or appear to have been Cooperative in the early stages of the investigation but later informed the
00:56:13
family that Ali was dating a an older man at the time that she went missing this was something that is yet to be
00:56:22
determined as fact but was not mentioned at the time when she went missing so praise to her mother Joanne who pushed
00:56:33
for National missing persons day if anybody has any information at all regarding Alexandria Joy loitzer who is
00:56:44
still missing you can contact the FBI VI cap team at 800-634-4097 or you can reach out to the
00:56:57
sheriff's department and that is Timothy dot Hayes h-a-y-e-s at sheriff.h e t x dot net and we will put
00:57:10
Ali's missing persons poster on our social media on Twitter yeah so if you want to take a moment on
00:57:19
February 3rd we all have missing person cases that we have looked into and tried
00:57:26
to do some armchair detective work ourselves post a picture of that missing individual and some information and
00:57:33
we'll try to share as many of those as we can hashtag those missing person and maybe we could get that trending in the
00:57:41
Twitter sphere and just a quick reminder last week we recommended our recommended
00:57:45
reading from last week was a book called hope by Amanda Berry and Gina De Jesus which
00:57:52
goes well with missing persons cases and National missing persons day this is a book of of two individuals that were
00:58:00
missing and they returned home this is a book that that gives hope to all of the
00:58:06
loved ones of missing individuals out there you can find that title and many great other titles and recommendations
00:58:13
on our recommended page at truecrime garage.com and until next week be good be kind and don't live
00:58:19
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