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true crime. [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Brandon Lawson, an oil field worker and
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father of four, was last seen when he left his San Angelo, Texas home on August 8th, 2013 while traveling on
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Highway 27. 77. He ran out of gas. He called 911 and he has not been seen since. His cell phone is also missing.
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Brandon is a Caucasian male. He was 26 years of age at the time of his disappearance. Brandon is 5'9 in tall,
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230 lb with brown hair and blue eyes. He was last seen wearing a yellow shirt and
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camo shorts and white Nike Air Max shoes. If you have any information, go to missingbrandonlawson.com.
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[Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] Brandon Lawson was last seen when he
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left his home in San Angelo, Texas. This was August 8th, 2013. He left at 11:53 p.m. This is after an argument with his
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girlfriend, Leiddessa Loftton. So Brandon called his father and he wants to go to his father's place for the
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night. >> Brandon's father, Bradley, has said that he had told his son it would be best if
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Brandon just stay put. He recommended that Brandon not make the 2-hour drive to his house. But I'm guessing Brandon
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thought different because he does decide to go for a drive and start to make his
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way to his father's house. I don't want to hang on this for too long, but I'm guessing that it would have had to been
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some kind of argument, you know, like some big disagreement for someone to leave in the middle of the night and
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drive 2 hours. >> Yes, possibly. But it was reported that Brandon was working sometimes over 90
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hours a week. >> Mhm. >> And that he also had four children. >> Yeah. So he had been with Liddessa for
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about 10 years and they had three children together and he had one child from a previous relationship.
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>> Um so not just leaving the house but leaving his family in the middle of the night as well.
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>> And that's a lot of responsibility for a 26-year-old. >> A lot of responsib That's a lot of
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responsibility for anybody. Now Brandon had called a little earlier than when he
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had departed. He called his father earlier than when he left. While Brandon did not leave his house until almost
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midnight, he actually called his father around 11 p.m. >> So almost an hour later, he sets off on
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this trip. >> While in route, he is going to make some phone calls because his truck runs out
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of gas. >> His first call will be to his brother Kyle at 12:38 a.m. >> Yeah. And this is basically, you know,
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anything you would think it would be. You know, I I need help. I've run out of gas on Highway 277.
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Um, by this time Brandon is near Bront, Texas. He runs out of gas, but he is unable to get the pickup truck
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completely off of the highway. He basically has like the tail end of the truck sticking out onto the road a bit.
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>> Mhm. >> Uh, so the brother Kyle and his girlfriend Audrey, they call Liddessa,
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Brandon's girlfriend, to tell her that Brandon had run out of gas and he needed to borrow their gas can. And a lot of
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time if you're looking up this case that you'll hear that Liddessa is his wife or
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common law wife. >> For this episode and for this case, we're going to just refer to her as a
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girlfriend cuz they were not legally married, >> right? I don't like that whole common
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law wife thing anyway. You know, I guess certain states you live with somebody for a certain amount of time and they're
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all of a sudden your wife. I I have buddies if that were the case, I have buddies that would have been married
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like four or five times. So Kyle called to borrow the gas can and Liddessa tells
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Kyle that she's going to leave the gas can on the porch because she's going to take a shower and then go to bed because
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it's extremely late at night. >> Mhm. >> Uh we should point out here that Kyle has no money. Uh his paycheck is not
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going to clear in his bank account until Friday morning. Uh, so Kyle is not going
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to be able to fill up the gas can, but he figured that once he got to Brandon with the gas can, that he would just
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drive Brandon to the Stripes convenient mart. This is a 24-hour gas station/store,
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and Brandon could pay for the gas there, and then he would drive Brandon back to
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the truck, and he and Audrey would be done for the night and go back to their home.
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>> Mhm. Uh what is known next is that the following that following his phone call
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to his brother, well something happened because Brandon calls 911 telling the dispatcher that he needs
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help. He calls 911 at 12:50 a.m. and we won't go through that call yet because we want to finish the timeline so we can
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really really go through that call. Another call was made to 911. This is by a passer by. A big rig truck driver
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calls 911 at 12:57 a.m. This is regarding Brandon's truck parked crooked on the side of the road posing a hazard.
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Uh, you know, somebody could potentially hit this vehicle if they weren't paying
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attention. When Kyle arrived at 1:10 a.m., there is no sign of Brandon. A sheriff's deputy arrived at the truck at
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the same time as Kyle and Audrey. Now, Kyle was traveling one direction to get to Brandon's truck, and the deputy was
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coming from the opposite direction. This is Deputy Neil, and neither Kyle nor deputy Neil see Brandon walking on the
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side of the road on their way to the vehicle. >> We should also point out that at this
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point, Kyle is unaware that Brandon has called 911 and may be in danger. The officer, Deputy Neil, probably is
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unaware of the 911 call from Brandon as well. It's speculated and reported in this case that law enforcement are
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responding to the truck driver's call and not Brandon's on Brandon's 911 call. It's not very clear where he's at or who
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he is or who he's with. >> Yeah. Yeah. And we bring this up simply for the fact that Kyle probably
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considered that there's a chance that Brandon may be walking on the side of the road. We shouldn't assume that
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Deputy Neil was actively looking for someone walking on the side of the road as he's driving in his cruiser to the
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abandoned truck, you know, because a lot of times police get a lot of these abandoned vehicle calls. It's a very
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common call. And a lot of the time, >> well, we don't know what that call was. >> Yeah. But but a lot of time when when
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these vehicles are abandoned, the the driver and the passengers are are long gone by the time a safety services
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officer finds the abandoned vehicle to ticket, tag, or or tow the vehicle away. >> So at this point in the timeline, we
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have Kyle, Audrey, and Deputy Neil at Brandon's truck. >> Yeah. And once he's there, the deputy
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observes the following. There is no visible sign of damage to Brandon's truck >> and his keys and his cell phone were not
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inside the vehicle. >> Uh while talking with the deputy, Kyle received a call from Brandon,
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>> right? >> In which Brandon's cell was going in and out and it was very hard for him to
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understand what Brandon was saying. Uh what Kyle understood was I'm in a field. Uh Kyle felt maybe Brandon was hiding in
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the field due to an outstanding warrant from about two years ago uh that Brandon
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himself just learned about and was going to to address the following week according to the family. So Kyle made no
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mention to the deputy of Brandon being on the phone. >> Just so we're clear, that warrant was
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for a drug charge and he didn't pay a fee for that. >> Correct. Yeah. So the and let's dive
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into this because there's a lot of speculation regarding this drug charge or the warrant out for Brandon Lawson.
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>> The situation sounds like this, right? So he had this old outstanding warrant
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that he found out about when he went to transfer a title on a vehicle or something. They they mentioned to him,
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"Are you aware that there's a warrant out for you?" >> I'm I'm pretty for sure that he's
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probably aware that he had a warrant, but this was just kind of a reminder. Well, possibly. Yeah. Uh the thing here
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is I want to throw out my own little story here cuz one time I did have a warrant out for me
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>> uh that I was unaware of. Um I get a phone call one day from my father and he's very upset and uh he says, you
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know, there's a warrant out for you. I was talking to so and so and they told me there's a warrant out for you. And I
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said, you know, he sounds angry at me and I'm like, you know, I'm getting on the defensive because this is my dad.
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And I'm like, right, >> I don't know anything about this. I don't know what you're talking about.
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So, what happened was I went down to the clerk of courts and asked them, "What's
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this warrant for?" Not knowing if they were going to arrest me that day, but >> I wish they would have
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>> it. Yeah, I would I'd still be in there. U But technically, it was a bench warrant. What had happened was, and it's
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this sounds funny because people were like, "How do you not know there's a warrant out for you?" What had happened
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was I got a speeding ticket, right? >> I had that speeding ticket and my my jacket was stolen. Yeah. I I had it in
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my coat. It was had the check written. It was going to be paid and all that. >> Yeah, this sounds pretty fishy.
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>> Sounds very fishy. I get you. I'm sure my dad doesn't believe me either. But any regardless, I didn't pay the ticket
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and kind of forgot about it because the stolen jacket became more of a concern to me than the ticket. Basically, I had
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to go downtown and pay a speeding ticket so they wouldn't come and arrest me. Apparently though, this was not a huge
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deal, right though, Captain? because they weren't, it doesn't sound like they were actively looking for Brandon
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Lawson, >> right? >> This wasn't something that they were looking to lock him up for a long period
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of time. It's exactly what you said. It's something that he was planning to pay. It sounds like a fine that was
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needed to be paid, >> right? But to be clear, those charges were drugreated. >> At 1:18 a.m., Audrey text Brandon
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saying, "A cop is at your truck." It is assumed she did such as she wanted to warn him due to his warrant. Mhm.
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>> Again, Audrey knows nothing of Brandon calling 911. In statements giving given
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to police, as explained by the family, they did admit Brandon's earlier call to them in which he told his brother and
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Audrey that he was 10 minutes up the road and was bleeding. Now, remind you, this was the call that was going in and
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out. So, this is the as much that they could get from from the call, >> right? So, what we know about this call
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is that maybe he's in a field, maybe he's 10 minutes up the road, which way we don't know.
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>> And maybe he's bleeding. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you know how it is when when the call is cutting in and out. Sometimes
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you have no clue what they're saying. You're just kind of fragments. >> Mhm. The important thing is this was
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also not reported to Deputy Neil at the scene of Brandon's truck. >> Mhm. It is also understood that Deputy
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Neil did not report to Kyle that Brandon phoned 911. It's still again unclear if
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Deputy Neil even knew about the 911 call from Brandon himself. >> Right. >> I would guess that he did not know about
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the call and and we, you know, have said why because it doesn't sound like they even knew who was making the call or
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why. Uh when Deputy Neil found the truck again, he found it unlocked with no damage done to the vehicle. This vehicle
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was not in any accident. >> Keys were not in the truck. There was no cell phone, no wallet. Brandon left that
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truck and presumably went looking for gas and he took his keys and cell phone and wallet with him.
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>> Deputy Neil then turned on the flashers of the truck and then they locked the
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truck and then he left the scene. >> Yeah. He arranged for a tow arrive, a tow truck to arrive in the morning and
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tow Brandon's truck to the impound lot. Don't you think those flashers though would make the battery go dead?
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>> Very likely. Yes. Yeah. But you got to do something so they're going to see the
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vehicle at this time. This was a very dark road, too. And it's it, you know, when you say it's kind of out in the
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middle of nowhere. It really feels like out in the middle of nowhere. According to reports, the deputy then drove up and
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down the roadway to see if he could spot Brandon walking. Uh Kyle and his girlfriend left the empty gas can in the
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bed of the truck, thinking if Brandon came back, he would at least have a can that he could go retrieve some gas. They
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went and began to look for Brandon as well. When the morning came and there was still no sign of Brandon, Kyle's
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money was now available in his bank account. It is this point where he goes back to the truck and he gets the gas
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can and he fills it up and returns it to the truck. At this point, he was now starting to become very concerned and he
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felt that Brandon may not have been hiding in the bushes from the officer and that he might have been hiding
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because he was in some kind of trouble. >> This is when they talk with investigators and he now gives them the
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full account of Brandon being on the phone at the time the deputy was at the truck. It wasn't known by Brandon's
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family that he had called 911 until Brandon's girlfriend, Liddessa, saw an itemized cell phone bill.
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>> Right. >> When Liddessa woke up the next morning, there were several missed calls on her
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cell phone. Three of these were from Brandon. Mhm. >> And I believe there were 10 mis calls
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from Kyle because remember Kyle spent most of the night looking for Brandon and probably reaching out to Liddessa
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time and time again trying to to wake her or get some input from her. Have you seen Brandon? Uh can you come help with
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the search? Something of that nature. The the speculation has been a little weird on this part of the of the story
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as well because we have a girlfriend who's missed all of these calls. However, her story is that the the phone
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was not in the house. It was in her vehicle charging. >> Now, some people know that you have you
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can charge your your phone just using a USB cord and plug it into your car. >> Yeah. And with older cars, you'd have to
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have the car turned on, so it' run out your battery. If you just had it half turned and the battery was on, you can
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charge it that way. Or you'd have to turn your car fully on, which would run out the gas. It's believed that she had
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a newer car and some of the newer cars you can just plug stuff in and it'll charge even if it's not on.
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>> Yeah. There has been no activity on Brandon's bank accounts or his cell phone since that time. Uh there was a
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search organized by Leiddessa shortly after Brandon disappeared. This would have been either on that Sunday or
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Monday. So just 2 or 3 days after. I apologize, but there are several reports that differ on the exact day, but there
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was an an extensive search conducted at that point. >> Just so we're clear, there's a lot of
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speculation in this case, and he went missing on the ETH. Brandon went missing on the ETH. And they're not going to
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receive his cell phone records to know that he called 911 for a whole another month.
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>> Right. And furthermore, once they find out that he called 911, Leiddessa is going to request that the the tape of
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that 911 call, and it's going to be quite some time before she gets that as well. I believe she said about 4 months.
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>> Yeah, it was about four and a half months >> regarding the searches because there was
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an actual professional team that came in and conducted a an extensive search, >> but this was not until October 24th of
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2013. They searched the area around the abandoned truck. Now, this was Texar who
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brought in HR dogs, and that's the Texas search and rescue team, and they bring in these basically cadaavver dogs or
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human remains dogs. >> The problem here though, Captain, is we see this situation where two and a half
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months have have elapsed since you're since you're going to do the search. That's quite a bit of time.
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>> A lot of time. And the other problem that we have here too is there's a lot of the like wild hogs in this area. And
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I guess one thing like these dogs are really well trained, but one thing that can screw up these dogs are the smells
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that come from these wild hogs. >> Well, and I I would just assume any smell from another animal would kind of
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mess up their their scent. And it's been pointed out that this in particular and
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while they did receive some hits on some scents and smells that they found, you know, these dogs went off in certain
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areas, they think that most of that might have been like you said from wildlife. It wasn't from actual Brandon
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Lawson that they they believe that the dogs were tracking. >> Again, if you have any animal dead, then
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they would be picking up those scents as well. >> They've done a lot of aerial searches
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with with airplanes. Again, there's some problems with this though, too, because
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when you do these aerial searches, you want to do these very soon after somebody goes missing because they're
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looking for abnormal activity, which that's going to disappear over any length of time. Sometimes they're just
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looking for buzzards swarming. They didn't spot anything that would that led them to Brandon, obviously. And
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furthermore, they did these these searches. Some of these searches were paid for by Leiddessa, right? And this
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is a family that that was currently living paycheck to paycheck. >> Now the now >> the bread winner is gone.
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>> Brandon's gone. And you know, so I applaud her efforts for paying for these searches.
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>> Since we've been doing the podcast, it baffles me. It's uh very confusing to me
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that we don't take these situations as serious. I mean, there's tons of missing people. There's tons of people that go
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missing. There's always this time lapse like, well, he'll show up or, >> well, we didn't know exactly where he
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was at, uh, but then he missed work, so then we decided it was a big deal, right?
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>> And then we searched days later. It's like, you know, if they had better communication with the cops, if well,
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and also the better cell phone reception and all that stuff, but if you started looking immediately,
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>> worst case scenario, right? >> Mhm. is is you either get more answers, you get more leads, you know, or or you
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find the person, >> right? >> You know, e even if they're dead, you find them, you know, or they show up and
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you're like, "Oh, there's Brandon. Oh, we spent eight hours looking for you." >> But you don't give a [ __ ] about those
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eight hours, >> right? >> Oh, oh, I lost eight hours, but I found you. Thanks. Oh, awesome. you know.
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>> Yeah, it it's something that we've seen time and time again and reviewing some
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of these cases. It's it's a weird thing though, Captain, because you have a situation where it's not not everything
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is as it appears when you're arriving at the truck. You know, regardless of whose
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shoes you're in, you know, if you're the deputy, you think you're responding to this abandoned vehicle and you think
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it's just that this is a common problem. >> I'm just going to bring it up. We do not
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know what the information was given to 911 based off the trucker >> from the trucker.
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>> We don't know if it was abandoned uh truck call, >> right? I would love to figure out what
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that call is. Uh but regardless, like I was saying, you have a situation where people arriving at a scene may not be
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fully aware of what they're walking into. You have the brother that just knows that the vehicle ran out of gas.
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We have the deputy that may just think he's responding to an abandoned vehicle. They meet up and now you're piecing two
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things together. The deputy's probably told, "Hey, I you know, I spoke to my brother. He said that the vehicle ran
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out of gas. Did you happen to see anybody walking?" No, I didn't. >> Right. >> When really there, this could be a much
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different situation than I, you know, than either of those two had any clue of, >> right? And I and like I said, I'm not
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I'm not trying to put any blame on his family or friends or anybody. I'm just saying that maybe because we've had all
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these situations, we've had all these missing person cases, maybe we should start collectively taking these very
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serious from from the word go. We're very connected now as a society. So, if somebody goes missing, you know, from
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the word go, let's let's take these a little more serious and maybe we'd have less missing person cases. Yeah. The
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other sad thing here, too, is we have a situation where you have an area of land
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that's very large and a very small sheriff's department. They don't have a whole lot of people on staff. So, that
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makes it very tough to search and comb that entire area. We have a man that was traveling from
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from a bigger town from San Angelo and he's he's heading he's close he's reported as missing from Bront Texas.
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Now the thing here is Bront is only like 3,000 people. We're talking about a very
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small town. >> Yes, I understand that. But we're also talking about a human that is not going,
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you know, he's not on in a car. He's not on a motorcycle. He's on foot. >> If Brandon's on foot, he can only get so
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far. >> Mhm. you know, from that truck a mile radius, you even if you start the search
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in the morning and even if he if he walked uh pretty quickly, we're talking he's he's not getting 20 some miles
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away. >> No. >> So, the radius becomes what I'm saying is smaller. >> Yeah, you're exactly right. And there
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were only really a couple directions to go. You know, you he could have walked towards Bront or he could have walked
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back towards, you know, where he came from. >> Well, yeah, I would agree with you on
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that. other than the fact that we have possibly two calls where he's stating he's in a field. So, which direction he
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went? >> Well, what I mean by you Well, I get what you're saying, but what I mean by
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that is I'm believing that he would be in search of gas and that he would probably be heading in one or two
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directions where he knows that he can get to a gas station. >> Right. The other situation that we have
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here too, Captain, and I don't really want to spend too much time on it, but we should mention it because the police,
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it's been reported that the police went under the assumption that Brandon left on his own will, right?
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>> That that he left because he wanted to go off with another woman. Now, how they
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arrived to this conclusion, I'm not certain. Um it it was stated in their local newspaper that they believe that
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he was picked up by a woman and drove off, you know, but but we clearly we have the call to the brother. That's
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he's looking for gas. If he if he had help, if he had someone helping him drive somewhere that I don't feel like
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that call would be made to the brother. >> Well, and I couldn't find any information online on his cell phone
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records, but I'd be interested to see what that cell phone log looked like. Mhm.
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>> And you know, as far as the family, can the family identify every number that
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was called? >> Right. >> And if and if those numbers, if there was one that is not identified, then can
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we identify that? Now, >> now we should also point out that the McCutchen family owned the local
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newspaper and the McCutchen has a connection to the sheriff's office. The head sheriff is Sheriff McCutchen. His
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wife is the operator of this local newspaper. and she's a journalist. They call them journalists.
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>> Well, and this is where it's been reported that they believe he left with another woman. It there's been a lot of
00:27:28
bickering back and forth between the Lawson family and the the local newspaper. >> Well, okay. So, my thoughts are one, uh,
00:27:38
the Lawson's family. Look, this whole idea that everything is a law enforcement conspiracy that that happens
00:27:46
with so many cases. Do I think there's and and in every case there's some gray area, but let's just start with what
00:27:53
they could have done. We have him calling that why a deputy is there. >> Mhm. >> Tell them who cares that he has a
00:28:02
warrant. It comes down to safety, >> right? >> You know, and this guy is saying, I'm in
00:28:07
a field. He's saying to his brother, I'm possibly bleeding. If I am calling my brother on the phone and he can't
00:28:13
understand me and and I'm saying I'm in a field and I'm and he hears that I'm possibly bleeding, I don't give a [ __ ]
00:28:21
about a warrant. >> Tell the deputy and he can come find me. We'll sort out the warrant stuff later.
00:28:27
>> Mhm. >> But again, I would rather spend a night in jail because of a warrant than to
00:28:31
just go missing for the rest of my life. >> Right. >> And so I think as far as that goes, yes,
00:28:36
I I I understand where their head is coming from. Maybe he's hiding. and I don't want to turn him in. But no, it
00:28:43
comes down to safety. Deal deal with that later. >> Mhm. Air on the side of caution, you're
00:28:48
saying, >> right? >> Wow. We are only about 20 minutes into the show and you're already getting very
00:28:53
angry. I can see the steam coming out of your coming out of your ears. >> Most tasty beer though. So, but hey,
00:28:59
let's get another one. Let's take a quick beer break. [Music] All right, cheers everybody. We are
00:29:18
discussing the missing person case of Brandon Lawson. >> Brandon Lawson was last seen August 8th.
00:29:24
He left his home, went to go to his father's house. He runs out of gas. He's technically listed as missing August 9th
00:29:32
because we have some phone communication with him that evening. When the deputy arrives, they can't find Brandon. He
00:29:38
goes up and down the road the rest of the night looking for Brandon walking somewhere. And we have the brother Kyle
00:29:45
who's out looking for Brandon as well. >> And this case just keeps getting more interesting because there's so many
00:29:51
questions like what exactly was that fight about? >> Yeah. And was he actually even heading
00:29:56
to his father's house? I mean, we have the phone call. He calls, says that he's coming over, but we have almost an hour
00:30:03
that goes by before he actually leaves the house. And this is after his own father tells him, "You should probably
00:30:08
just stay home, cool off, don't worry about it. You shouldn't come out this way. It's a 2-hour drive, right? Maybe
00:30:14
he's driving around just to blow off steam." We also have his phone records, and I have not seen any evidence. Maybe
00:30:21
he called somebody else that we're not aware of. And then also, what was this 911 call that came from the truck
00:30:28
driver, >> right? >> What was that call about? You know, I'd really be interested for them to release
00:30:33
that tape. >> And when I first looked at it, I thought it was a little strange that the trucker
00:30:38
called 911, but then, you know, I reminded myself, this is a guy who's probably a long-distance driver. Mhm.
00:30:45
>> He's not aware of the local sheriff's department phone number because this is
00:30:49
not an a 911 type emergency, but he's probably just calling the number that he knows will reach.
00:30:54
>> Well, you keep speculating that it's not an emergency. We have no clue what that
00:31:00
call was about. >> If if we take it from what it's reported as is just an abandoned vehicle call,
00:31:06
>> it's not a 911 emergency, obviously. >> Right. And then the other question is
00:31:10
that we have law enforcement coming out later and talking to a local newspaper saying, "Hey, this guy probably just
00:31:18
went off with some girl." What's their evidence to prove that? >> And furthermore, we have the family that
00:31:25
has constantly said, you know, this is not this is out of character for Brandon. It wouldn't be he was not of
00:31:31
the type to just up and leave. You know, we mentioned he had four kids. >> Uh it sounds like he was a devoted
00:31:37
father. Um, he had his girlfriend there. He was very close to his father, very close to his brother. It seems like a
00:31:43
lot of reasons to stay. I'm not going to lie to you, Captain. Four, being 26, having four kids, and working 95 hours a
00:31:51
week sounds like some good reasons to leave, but his family is adamant. >> Well, you sound like a really nice guy.
00:31:57
It >> his family is adamant that this would be out of character for Brandon. He would
00:32:02
not leave his children. >> So, again, a lot of questions and a lot of things we just don't know. But what
00:32:07
we do have is the 911 tape that was released to the family about four or four and a half months after they
00:32:14
requested it. >> Yeah. And there in itself is a big question, right? You wonder, you ask for
00:32:20
this 911 tape and we're assuming it it was some time had elapsed before they're requesting it,
00:32:26
>> right? >> But then we see a whole lot of time go by before they released this this tape.
00:32:33
you know, it shouldn't take that long of a time period to get a 911 call. >> That brings up speculation that this
00:32:40
tape was doctorred before given to the family. >> And that's why we thought that it would
00:32:44
be key to really dissect this 911 call to to try to figure out what's going on in the call, what he is actually saying.
00:32:53
Uh, you know, the thing here, Captain, is we have some technology that's not readily available to to everybody in
00:33:00
everyone's garage. You know, we have some sound equipment here. And we also have a secret weapon. We have the
00:33:05
captain. He's he's a legit bonafide sound engineer, and he's going to help us dissect this baby right now. We're
00:33:13
going to we're going to bring this into the garage. We're going to take it apart, look at it piece by piece, put it
00:33:18
back together, and see if it runs. >> Basically, this episode is for all the haters that think I bring nothing to the
00:33:23
show. >> All right, Captain. So, please play the 911 call in in its entirety at normal
00:33:29
speed, but play it two times in a row. >> 9 23 0 50 and 38 seconds. >> 91 emergency.
00:33:42
>> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field. We're just pushing guys over right here going towards javelin on both sides. My
00:33:48
truck ran out of gas. There's one car here. Got sh the woods. Please turn. Okay. Now run that by me.
00:33:54
>> Why not talking to him? >> I ran into him. >> Ah, you ran into him. Okay. >> Got the first guy.
00:34:03
>> Do you need an ambulance? >> Yeah. No, I need the cops. >> Okay. Is anybody hurt?
00:34:15
Hello? Hello? Hello. >> 9 23 0 50 and 38 seconds. >> 91 emergency. >> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field.
00:34:36
They're safe. We're just pushing guys over right here going towards Javelin on both sides. My truck ran out of gas.
00:34:42
There's one car here. Got chasing to the woods. Please turn. >> Okay, now run that by me. We're not
00:34:48
talking to him. I accidentally ran into him. >> Ah, you ran into him. Okay. >> Got the first guy.
00:34:57
>> Do you need an ambulance? >> Yeah. No, I need to call. >> Okay. Is anybody hurt?
00:35:08
Hello. Hello. Hello. So, I'm trying not to alter the tape too much. And as you can tell, like
00:35:21
we have these big sexy man voices. And this >> Oh, yeah. >> And this 911 tape is a little piercing.
00:35:27
Well, here's a good exercise for everybody to do. Stop what you're doing right now. Get out some paper and a
00:35:32
pencil. And we're going to go through this line by line. I want everybody to write down what they think Brandon is
00:35:38
saying. >> And you can submit those on our blog at truecrimerg.com. >> Let the dissection begin, Captain. play
00:35:45
this at a slower speed. Yeah. And they have a time code on this. So, I'm not going to play the time code every time
00:35:51
cuz that would be a little annoying. Kind of like Nick. >> 91 emergency. >> Yes. I'm in the middle of the field.
00:35:59
We're just pushing guys over right here going towards on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car
00:36:08
here. You guys ch the wood. Okay. Now run into >> Ah, you ran into him. Okay. >> Do you need an ambulance?
00:36:33
>> No, I need to call. >> Okay. Is anybody hurt? [Applause] Hello. >> Now, on the original tape, there's three
00:36:52
hellos, and I just cut those out for the slow down version, just, you know, so we
00:36:58
can focus on the meat and potatoes. Now, what happens with the sound quality is it goes down a little bit. The quality
00:37:03
gets worse when you slow something down because basically what you're doing is you're expanding uh you're stretching
00:37:10
the soundwave. M >> and then you're putting bits of silence in there, >> right? >> And because of those bits of silence, it
00:37:17
starts kind of distorting it a little bit. So that's why it's a little bit less of a quality u at the slower speed.
00:37:24
>> Okay, let's hear that again at that same speed. >> 91 emergency. >> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field.
00:37:32
We're just pushing guys over right here going towards on both sides. My truck ran out of gas. There's one car
00:37:41
here. >> Okay. Now, I met him. I ran into him. >> Ah, you ran into him. Okay. >> Do you need an ambulance?
00:38:06
>> No, I need to call. Okay. Is anybody hurt? [Applause] >> Hello. >> The call is chilling to say the least.
00:38:25
Yeah. >> I mean, every time I hear it, it it chills me to the bone. Um, can we play
00:38:30
it at an even slower speed? >> 911. Emergency. >> Yeah. I'm in the middle of filing
00:38:41
guys over here going towards on both sides here. Okay. No, but ah, you ran into some. Okay.
00:39:17
The first stop needed an ambulance. No, I need the call. >> Okay. Is anybody hurt?
00:39:43
Hello. Hello. Hello. >> So, slowing down even more. We're taking those sound files, those sound waves,
00:40:04
we're stretching them and putting even more pockets of silence in there so you get more distortion.
00:40:10
>> Okay, let's play it at that speed one more time and then we'll talk about kind
00:40:15
of our initial thoughts. 91 emergency in the middle of field just some guys over
00:40:28
here going toward both sides here. Okay. No, but ah, you ran into some. Okay. You need an ambulance?
00:41:10
No, I need the car. >> Okay. Is anybody hurt? Hello. Hello. Hello. >> Okay, this is a good time to use that
00:41:47
pencil and those and paper and put down your initial thoughts because as we start talking about this, you know, we
00:41:55
might start molding your thinking as far as what you think that you're hearing. >> Right.
00:42:00
>> So, first off, he is he sounds out of breath to me. Right. >> Right. >> Uh he sounds scared to me as well. Not
00:42:08
to be misleading, anytime that you slow down anybody, they also sound like they're possibly intoxicated.
00:42:14
>> Yeah. Which is which is something interesting you and I were talking about earlier here because there's been some
00:42:19
people say, "Well, maybe he was drunk. You know, he got in a fight. Maybe he went and got drunk. Maybe he, you know,
00:42:25
and Leiddessa says he was not intoxicated or had not been drinking before he left." And I think if you
00:42:31
listen to the original and you listen at the normal speed, he doesn't sound intoxicated to me. But obviously, like I
00:42:38
said, once you start slowing it down, everybody sounds intoxicated. >> Yeah. Because especially on the first
00:42:43
the first slowed down version, and proof of that is the the the person answering
00:42:49
the 911 call. She goes, "911 emergency." You know, that's we everybody's got a friend, a female friend that sounds like
00:42:57
that after a few shots. Well, let's talk a little bit about the 911 dispatcher. Most counties will have an actual
00:43:03
dispatch group of 911. This county was really small. So, when you call 911, it actually went to a nursing home.
00:43:11
Correct. >> And the nurses on staff were trained to answer these 911 calls. >> Yeah. There's been a lot of people that
00:43:18
have said that the 911 person wasn't doing a very good job that night. You know, that that she never asked for
00:43:24
Brandon's name. She never asked for Brandon's location. Um, I don't know. I I kind of I kind of have to defend the
00:43:33
dispatcher here in my in my opinion because first of all, he's he's got a very thick accent. He's out of breath.
00:43:40
It's hard to understand what he's saying. >> It sounds to me like she's trying to
00:43:45
assess the situation, you know, asking if he needs an ambulance. Is anybody hurt?
00:43:50
>> And obviously, could they use maybe more training? Obviously, but we all could
00:43:55
use more training. >> We all could use some more training. You're exactly right. The the thing here
00:43:59
is, Captain, I don't know how how quickly are they supposed to ask for somebody's name. Is is his name even
00:44:06
that important in the beginning part of the conversation? I mean, does she have the ability to to carry on the
00:44:12
conversation and dispatch whatever he's calling for, you know, whether it be the
00:44:16
cops or an ambulance, >> right? And there's at least two or three times where she is going to say
00:44:21
something or trying to say something and he's interjecting. >> Oh, just like the captain, you know,
00:44:26
stepping all over somebody else's words. >> I've been trying to get better at that.
00:44:30
>> My first thoughts here, Captain, are that after hearing it those three different speeds, you know, there's
00:44:36
obvious signs that there there are certain words and certain lines that he is saying that are much clearer than
00:44:43
others and much more precise. What I think we could do, you know, since we have the tools, maybe we look at this
00:44:51
thing line by line and try to pick apart the ones that are that are tougher to hear because some of the lines almost
00:44:58
sound like he's rolling into the next sentence. >> Mhm. Well, so what you're going to hear
00:45:03
now is the first line and we'll play that at normal speed and I'm going to actually put it on a loop.
00:45:09
>> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field or we're just pinging guys over. Yes, I'm in the middle of the field or
00:45:14
safe. We're just pushing guys over. Yes, I'm in the middle of the field or we're just pushing guys over.
00:45:21
Yes, I'm in the middle of the field or we're just guys over. >> So that the very first half of that
00:45:26
sounds very clear to me. I think I'm hearing yes, I'm in the middle of a field. The second line is much less
00:45:33
clear to me. It sounds like he's saying Staper just pushed, but I also hear Staper just pulled
00:45:42
>> some guys over. >> I'll play that clip again on a loop and slow it down. >> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field.
00:45:50
We're just pushing over. >> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field. We're just pushing over.
00:46:00
Yes, I'm in the middle of the field. We're just searching over. >> So, we both agree that we think he's
00:46:07
starting off by saying, "Yes, I'm in the middle of the field." >> Mhm. >> Or, "Yes, I'm in the middle of a field."
00:46:14
>> Right. >> Right. Something like that. >> Yeah. He's He's not on the road. He's
00:46:19
trying to give a a general description to the dispatcher of where he is. Yes. I'm in the middle of a field. And it
00:46:24
almost like the yes is like, you know, when you're waiting when you're urgently waiting for somebody to pick up.
00:46:30
>> Yeah. >> You know, she's 911 emergency. Yes. I'm in the middle of a field, >> right? And then it it's weird because it
00:46:37
sounds like a staper. >> A staper just when it's slowed down, it sounds more like pushed.
00:46:48
>> You're exactly right. >> But again, because you're creating those pockets of silence, it distorts things.
00:46:53
So it could be making more of a sound. >> Would somebody say pushed somebody? I mean, you wouldn't if you were talking
00:47:00
about Okay. Staper. First of all, what >> what the hell is a staper? >> What is a staper? We don't we don't
00:47:06
know. I mean, but it but it's >> you know I when we first listened to it, I thought maybe, you know, I heard
00:47:14
Stapler. Uh cuz I'm trying to not think about what his situation is. I'm trying not to think about this guy being out in
00:47:21
the middle of nowhere. It's midnight. It's very late. He's calling. I I'm trying to
00:47:26
>> The >> Adrenaline's going. >> Yeah. I'm trying to push all of that out and just write down what I
00:47:31
>> push. >> Did you say push or pull? >> I said push. I'm trying to I'm trying to
00:47:36
clear all that out and just just write down what I hear. >> Yeah. >> And staper is really what I hear. I
00:47:44
mean, I I wanted to I wanted to it to make sense. So, like escaper, you know, or you know, was it two words rolled
00:47:51
together? >> Staper. That's what it sounds like to me. Yes, I'm in the middle of field.
00:47:57
Staper. Now, again, so the big speculation there has been with Staper is that they doctorred the tape,
00:48:07
>> right? >> That, you know, they had what, four and a half months to alter the tape. And so
00:48:13
the Now, here's the problem. So, I'm taking this recording and I'm putting it into our recording uh program. And
00:48:22
normally when there's a edit, if there's a bad edit, there's a pop. When I'm when
00:48:28
I was looking at these wave files, I could not see any visual sign of a bad edit. That doesn't mean that there
00:48:36
wasn't an edit. It just means that there wasn't a bad edit. So, we're both pretty
00:48:41
convinced of what we think he's saying in that first phrase, right? So, let's uh let's just solo out that first
00:48:48
phrase. Here's that first phrase at original speed looped. >> Yes, I'm in the middle of the field.
00:48:55
Yes, I'm in the middle of the field. Yes, I'm in the middle of the field. >> So, as you hear at the end of each loop,
00:49:01
there's a little pop. >> Now, like I said, if you if there's a bad edit, you'll hear a pop. That edit,
00:49:07
that bad edit is on my part. >> That you created that. So, >> well, I Yeah, I didn't create it. I just
00:49:14
sent because I'm cutting too I'm cutting the wave in half. So, by doing that when
00:49:20
it gets the and it pops every time. >> Yeah, it sounds like something like shutting off or a click or or like you
00:49:27
said a pop. >> Right. So, that's my edit, not theirs. >> Play that next section for me, but slow
00:49:33
it down and loop it. pushing over. The staper just pushing over. The staper just pushing over.
00:49:44
>> Okay. Staper just pushed some guys over >> or possibly Staper just pulled some guys
00:49:50
over. >> Yeah. When when you play it in the original speed, I hear Staper just pulled some guys over.
00:49:57
>> That slower speed sounds Staper just pushed some guys over. You know, the Staper is very clear. Uh
00:50:05
but there's been a lot of speculation regarding that word. Um >> right. Yeah. And and just talk about
00:50:10
this theory that was left on a message board. >> Yeah. So in this this will kind of
00:50:15
change the whole thought of the first two lines that we hear, right? >> Mhm. >> So I read a comment that someone had
00:50:23
said that staper is actually a slang term. You know, if you if if I ask Siri for the definition of staper, she tells
00:50:31
me what the definition of steeper is. When I type it into Google search, I get the definition for stapler because
00:50:38
there's no staper word. >> Right. >> The thing here is this commenter said that staper is a slang term for like an
00:50:45
oil worker. Mhm. >> And the the gist of his comments or her comments, I don't know who this person
00:50:51
is, >> but they're saying that that he's saying Staper just pushed some guy over,
00:50:58
>> meaning that that an oil worker pushed some guy like into an oil tank or oil,
00:51:06
you know, >> right? And then the other idea is that he starts off by saying, "I'm in the
00:51:12
middle of a field." And so now it's not just some arbitrary field, but you know,
00:51:17
I'm in the middle of a oil field and a staper just pushed some guy over or pushed some guys over.
00:51:23
>> And I I got to be honest with you, I know nothing about oil fields. I I you know, I know I've been to Texas a couple
00:51:29
times. I love the state. You might hear us do our little Texas twang on on some of these. Uh we mean no disrespect. love
00:51:37
Texas, but you know, if there are people in the area or people that are familiar
00:51:41
with oil work, um I would love to hear their comments. Is staper a word? Is that an actual term that people use? Um
00:51:49
because again, it it does it changes that first line from the middle of a field to the middle of an oil field and
00:51:58
a staper just push some guy over. And the other speculation or the kind of conspiracy theory out there is that
00:52:05
Staper is actually where an edit was made >> before the you know the it took four
00:52:11
months to release the tape. So within that four months then they made this edit. Now so what we're going to do is
00:52:17
it's the the staper edit moment. Right. >> Okay. So, I'm going to present a way you could
00:52:25
make this edit and create this new word staper. So, you got to start by what word do people think they're covering
00:52:34
up? And it's state trooper. So, a lot of people believe he's saying, "I'm in the
00:52:39
middle of a field and a state trooper just pulled some guys over." >> Mhm. >> So, the word is state trooper. Now I
00:52:49
want you to say the word >> state trooper. >> Okay. Now I'm going to make this edit
00:52:53
and then Nick's going to tell you how long it took me to make the edit. >> Okay. State. State. State. That took
00:53:02
four months. >> No. No. It took maybe 4 seconds. Now, now the problem here is Nick is talking
00:53:10
in a very clean room. Well, it's kind of dirty, but uh dirty garage, but because
00:53:16
the audio quality is clear, it's a lot easier to make that edit. >> Okay, >> so it took 4 seconds. It's not that hard
00:53:23
to make that edit. It's also not hard to make a clean edit, so therefore you don't hear a pop. The problem is with
00:53:31
the phone call, there would be so much static, it' be a lot harder to make a clean edit without a pop. Let let me see
00:53:40
if I understand you completely. Okay. So, you're saying that if there were you know when you look at the wave file you
00:53:48
don't visually see an edit point. >> However, >> which you would not see if it's clean
00:53:55
edit. >> Okay. But however, you're saying in this situation um it it obviously was very easy for you
00:54:02
to create the word staper from state trooper. Mhm. >> So, in your expertise, is this is it an
00:54:10
edit? I mean, clear that up for me. >> I don't visually see an edit, but it's definitely possible that they made a
00:54:17
clean edit. >> Okay. So, let's let me just I'm going to hang on this for a second because this
00:54:22
word has been of much speculation, >> right? And it changes everything because if if it was an edit then what he is
00:54:30
clearly stating is I'm in the middle of a field and a state trooper just pulled some guys over.
00:54:37
>> And that is why people would believe that the tape was held on to for so long
00:54:41
that they had some things they wanted to take out, remove from the the the voice
00:54:47
message >> and they wanted to clean it up for their purposes. whatever whatever they're
00:54:54
covering up or whatever they're trying to hide, >> right? That would be the conspiracy
00:54:58
theory. >> Can we compare those two clips side by side? So, the one clip would be of me
00:55:04
which you created of me saying staper compared to Brandon saying staper staper staper staper.
00:55:15
>> I Here's the thing, Captain. I feel like I'm saying it slower than he is. So maybe if we compared it to the the
00:55:22
slower version. >> Here's a even slower version. >> It sounds very much the same to me,
00:55:33
right? The staper, right? And the other thing that people have to kind of wrap their head around is we have a guy
00:55:39
that's 230 some pounds, out of breath, full of adrenaline, and this word he might have slurred over. Mhm.
00:55:48
>> So, it possibly is not even an edit. >> Yeah. >> It's he's just not clearly stating
00:55:53
whatever word he's trying to say. And again, I think that falls as far as logic. I'm in the middle of a field. A
00:56:00
state trooper just pulled me over. >> Yeah. >> Well, well, a state trooper just pulled
00:56:04
some guys over. Sorry. >> If it's not an edit, okay, then I kind of hear state trooper. State trooper.
00:56:13
you know, almost like he's rolling, you know, he never gets to the second T of state
00:56:18
>> and it goes right into trooper, >> which which I wonder now that if I've gotten too hung up on the word staper
00:56:25
and I just really quickly assume the next word is just. Staper just pulled this guy over. Staper just pulled these
00:56:33
guys over, >> right? >> Because if if just is not if just is not the word there,
00:56:38
>> right? if it's actually some weird way of saying state trooper pulled some guys
00:56:42
over. >> Yeah. >> And and then Yeah. I mean I think like I said I just think logically it goes
00:56:48
towards some kind of version of state trooper. >> Yeah. >> Then the question then becomes is he in
00:56:55
his right mind? Because if he's not in his right mind, then everything he's saying, you know, and when I say not in
00:57:03
his right mind, intoxicated or on drugs or maybe sleepd deprived. If you have if
00:57:09
you're sleep uh if you're sleepd deprived long enough, you could possibly hallucinate.
00:57:15
>> I've I've actually had that happen once. >> Sorry to break from this for a second
00:57:19
here, but this is going to sound crazy. I worked a 36 and 1/2 hour shift one time. All right. Mhm.
00:57:24
>> And at some point, so I came in around like 6:00 in the morning and I didn't leave until the following afternoon, but
00:57:32
sometime around 6:00 in the morning after right right around that 24hour mark, right?
00:57:38
>> I'm drinking coffee again. And other people start coming back into work to to
00:57:42
do their their next day shift. I'm still on my my one shift. And I swear there was probably about five to 10 minutes
00:57:49
where I I was hallucinating, but but I was still of enough mind to realize that I was hallucinating. And it was just
00:57:57
little things like I thought people were saying things that they might not have been saying. Uh and people looked looked
00:58:04
a little weird to me. >> Well, yeah. I I've seen some of the people you worked with, they looked
00:58:07
weird. Anyways, but um tell me that you weren't salary. Tell me you were hourly. No, I was a that was a
00:58:16
salaried position. They got their money's worth that week. Um I Here's the thing though, Captain, and I hate to
00:58:22
keep having you pull little things and and play it, but >> that's what we're doing.
00:58:26
>> But now what I want to know is having talked about is this state trooper. if that's if he's rolling it or if he's
00:58:35
out of breath and that's how it's coming out and coming through. I really want to
00:58:39
hear those next four or five words again, you know, because because now I'm concerned is
00:58:47
if I go with it state trooper or state trooper, it is the next word just pulled this guy just pulled these guys just
00:58:56
pulled some guys. >> You see what I mean? And I want to hear is it guy or guys? We'll just play it a
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couple times slow from that part. just pushing guys over. >> The pushed is weird. It's, you know, um,
00:59:21
have you ever heard like older folks say push, you know, rather than push? >> Um,
00:59:28
again, that part right there is is a conundrum for me because I I tell you, you play it once, I hear pulled. You
00:59:35
play it a second time, I hear pushed. Um, I >> just Yeah, but you got to >> I got to push on through here, right?
00:59:41
>> Yeah. But you got to keep in account that there is distortion. >> Mhm. >> And so sometimes when you do slow
00:59:46
something down where definitely when you slow down that word, it definitely sounds more like pushed
00:59:52
>> than pulled. >> Yeah. >> Uh but also we got to remember um people misspeak. >> Yeah.
00:59:59
>> So one little slip, you know, push some guys or pulled some guys. Again, at the
01:00:04
end of the day, to me, it starts coming more around to this idea of I'm in the middle of a field and a state and a
01:00:11
state trooper just pulled some guys over. >> It's It's definitely some guys over. I
01:00:17
I'm 100% on that. Some guys over. >> Right. So, now part of the story is we we have Brandon, we have a state
01:00:24
trooper, and we have some guys. >> Yeah. Yeah. And here I'm writing down as we go. Okay. And this is where I have
01:00:30
it. I actually removed the word justest from the second line. I I just I feel like it's not there. I have Yes, I'm in
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the middle of a field. Stay trooper pulled some guys over. >> Mhm. >> That's what I got.
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>> All right, I'll play the next phrase. >> Right here going towards javelin on both
01:00:46
sides. Right here going towards javelin on both sides. Right here going towards javelin on both
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sides. Now, from the comments that I've read, Captain, you know, because and I'm
01:00:57
going to keep going back to these comments because I got on a bunch of different websites regarding this
01:01:01
Brandon Lawson mystery, and I wanted to hear what other people thought they were
01:01:06
hearing because, you know, I >> because you don't trust yourself. >> Well, and ideally, you would get many
01:01:11
people, many ears into one room and play it and get a general consensus. It seems
01:01:16
to me that the general consensus on this line is that he's saying they're out here going to Abberene on
01:01:25
both sides. >> Mhm. >> Have you Have you seen that? Um >> well, it sounds like right here.
01:01:30
>> Well, let's hear that slowed down. >> Out here going towards a both sides. Right here going towards a both sides.
01:01:42
Right here going towards a both sides. See, that's, you know, when I when I type in list of Texas cities, right,
01:01:50
there is an Aberlin and there's an Aberdeen as well. Um, which would sound very similar, I think, to one another
01:01:58
given his accent and how fast and out of breath he's, you know, >> right? To me, it sounds like a G sound,
01:02:04
though. >> And and I I hear you, too, because when we slowed it down, it sounds like the
01:02:10
word starts with a G. >> How about Yeah. How about I just solo that section and and go real slow with
01:02:15
it? >> Sometimes when you slow things down, they become almost inaudible. >> Well, looking at at the list of names of
01:02:25
cities in Texas, if we go with a G there, uh the ones that sound similar to maybe what he's saying would be
01:02:33
Galveastston. There's also uh Goulson and Groverton >> or Grove, sorry. But the the thing here
01:02:42
is captain I have to ask you this because what there are certain letters right that are pronounced a certain way that
01:02:50
that are more prominent than others like are there some things that we should be
01:02:56
listening for when we're going through these as far as P's are usually very pretty
01:03:02
>> pronounced. >> Yeah. Um G I would think a G or a J might be a harder um letter like that.
01:03:11
>> Yeah. I think it's confusing. I think at the end of the day it it it sounds like
01:03:16
it's you know going towards something. >> Mhm. >> On both sides. So I you know I think it
01:03:24
would be nice to have every word be audible but I don't think it's necessary in order to get the picture of what's
01:03:31
happening. Well, and there's that famous paragraph out there where the author purposely jumbled up the words, well,
01:03:38
not the words, but the letters of each word. And when somebody reads through it, you can actually read and tell what
01:03:45
it's supposed to say, even though when you look at the words individually, they make no sense. Right? So, we don't maybe
01:03:51
know what word that is. We don't know if that's a city or not, but we kind of have the framework around it. So, what
01:03:58
do we have so far? Um, what I have so far is the I'm convinced on the first two lines that we have. Yes, I'm in the
01:04:07
middle of a field. Stay trooper pulled some guys over. I'm I can't say what I'm hearing on the third one for certain
01:04:15
yet. I think we got to go through the third line a little more. The thing here is though, Captain, we try to put out
01:04:21
these episodes Tuesday evening, and it's getting very late here in the garage, and if we don't take a break now, this
01:04:28
episode won't come out until Wednesday morning. And we're not going to do that to anybody. So, let's let's stop it now.
01:04:34
Uh, >> you stop it now. >> We'll take a quick beer break and we'll get back at it to record the next
01:04:40
episode. And what do you think? Put these out a little closer in in time. >> Yeah. So people don't have to wait so
01:04:46
long. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. cuz we're kind of I feel like we're stopping halfway through
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right here. Thank you, Captain. And we will see everybody right here back in the garage in a couple of hours. And
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until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter. [Music] [Applause] [Music]